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REPORT: Martin Luther King would have been on Glenn Beck's chalkboard

August 25, 2010 2:44 pm ET by Ben Dimiero

Fox News' Glenn Beck has spent the past several months relentlessly promoting his upcoming "Restoring Honor" rally, scheduled to take place this Saturday. Beck claims he originally wanted to schedule the rally for September 12, but decided to change the date because he didn't want to ask people to "work on the Sabbath." Instead, Beck and his event planners scheduled the rally for August 28, which coincides with the 47th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s iconic "I have a dream" speech -- a fact that Beck insists he only later discovered in a New York Times article.

Nonetheless, Beck seized on the supposed coincidence, which he chalked up to "divine providence." To Beck, the 8-28 rally is more than just a gathering of like-minded conservatives calling for a restoration of "honor." Instead, he views the 8-28 rally on a much grander scale. In his words, it will be a "historic" day that will mark a "turning point in America" that your "children will remember."

Beck's discussions of the rally's supposedly crucial role in American history have included frequent invocations of the civil rights movement, and Martin Luther King Jr. in particular. According to Beck, the rally will "reclaim the civil rights movement" because "Martin Luther King's dream" has "been distorted" and "massively perverted" by progressives. In attacking the people he claims are "perverting" King's legacy (i.e. progressives), Beck has suggested that he and his followers are the "inheritors and the protectors of the civil rights movement." In Beck's words, they will "take that movement, because we were the people that did it in the first place."

Beck is completely rewriting history.

King forcefully advocated for drastic action by the federal government to combat poverty; supported "social justice"; called for an "economic bill of rights" that would "guarantee a job to all people who want to work"; and stated that we must address whether we need to "restructure the whole of American society" -- all ideas that Beck has vilified.

Beck accuses progressives of trying to rewrite history and implores his followers to read original sources, but a review of King's own words clearly shows that Beck's insistence that he and his followers are the custodians of King's dream and legacy is nothing more than a lie.

Beck vs. MLK on the role of government in fighting poverty

Beck vs. MLK on the redistribution of wealth

Beck vs. MLK on a "guaranteed annual income"

Beck vs. MLK on the "fundamental transformation" of our country

Beck vs. MLK on social justice

Beck vs. MLK on the role of government in fighting poverty

Beck has tried to rewrite King's economic views. Recently, he attacked Al Sharpton for "telling people that Martin Luther King's dream was really about redistribution of wealth." Beck added: "I don't remember that. Really?"

Beck may not "remember that," but King advocated for better "distribution of wealth" and "radical redistribution of economic power." Beck constantly rails against "big government," but King repeatedly and explicitly endorsed an expanded role for the federal government in fighting poverty in our country.

Beck"Big government never lifts anybody out of poverty. It creates slaves, people who are dependent on the scraps from the government, the handouts." In one of his regular attacks on government programs aimed at helping the poor, Beck said that groups like Media Matters "dream of quotes" about how politicians (and Beck, by extension) want to make the poor "uncomfortable." Beck quoted Benjamin Franklin saying "the best way of doing good to the poor is not making them easy in poverty but leading or driving them out of it" and added that this sentiment is "true." He then ridiculed the idea that "generosity is expanding government" and mocked people who think that "true charity comes from extending welfare, raising the minimum wage, giving away free internet. Here's some concert tickets." According to Beck, "big government never lifts anybody out of poverty. It creates slaves -- people who are dependent on the scraps from the government, the handouts":

BECK: Imagine for a moment what would happen to a politician, especially a conservative, if he said this about the poor and poverty -- look at this -- "I think the best way of doing good to the poor is not making them easy in poverty but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth, I traveled much, I observed in different countries that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves and, of course, became poorer. And on the contrary, the less that was done for them, the more they did for themselves and they became richer."

That only makes sense. The more you do for somebody else, the less they're going to do for themselves.

Media Matter, you know, geeks dream of quotes like this from a politician. They're just like, "Oh, please say something about the poor and how you want to make them uncomfortable." But it's true. Today, all it takes to be labeled a hatemonger is proposing a smaller budget, which is still an increase, smaller than the increase from the other guy. You're a hatemonger. Yet, here is Ben Franklin advocating that doing less for the poor is better. Even if you agree, that probably sounds radical, but it wasn't.

We're bombarded with the messages that generosity is expanding government. That's where true charity comes from, extending welfare, raising the minimum wage, giving away free Internet. Here are some concert tickets. I mean, what else do we have to give people? But Franklin's ideas were not -- at least most of them -- were not radical. They were common sense. Some of them, some of them were radical. I mean, the cure for us today is to have just a little bit of the common sense and what would seem radical.

No politician would say something like make the poor uncomfortable. But he's right. Big government never lifts anybody out of poverty. It creates slaves -- people who are dependent on the scraps from the government, the handouts.

Uncle Sam can't lift you out of poverty. That's up to you to do. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, Uncle Sam is wearing striped pants for a reason. The guy should be in prison.

Beck: President Obama is "addicting this country to heroin -- the heroin that is government slavery." Glenn Beck has frequently claimed that progressive policies create "slavery," which he described as "slavery to government, welfare, affirmative action, regulation, control," and that recipients of federal aid have been "taught to be slaves." In a typical outburst on the February 11, 2009, edition of his Fox News program, Beck claimed that the story of a homeless woman who had asked Obama for help finding a home was evidence that Obama "is addicting this country to heroin -- the heroin that is government slavery."

King: "We will place the problems of the poor at the seat of government of the wealthiest nation in the history of mankind."  In contrast to Beck, King was quoted in an article published shortly after his assassination in 1968 as saying that it was the government's responsibility to "acknowledge its debt to the poor," or else it will have "failed to live up to its promise to insure 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to its citizens.'" He called for an "economic bill of rights" that would "guarantee a job to all people who want to work and are able to work":

We call our demonstration a campaign for jobs and income because we feel that the economic question is the most crucial that black people, and poor people generally, are confronting. There is a literal depression in the Negro community. When you have mass unemployment in the Negro community, it's called a social problem; when you have mass unemployment in the white community, it's called a depression. The fact is, there is major depression in the Negro community. The unemployment rate is extremely high, and among negro youth, it goes up as high as forty percent in some cities.

We need an economic bill of rights. This would guarantee a job to all people who want to work and are able to work. It would also guarantee an income for all who are not able to work. Some people are too young, some are too old, some are physically disabled, and yet in order to live, they need income. It would mean creating certain public-service jobs, but that could be done in a few weeks. A program that would really deal with jobs could minimize -- I don't say stop -- the number of riots that could take place this summer.

[...]

We need to put pressure on Congress to get things done. We will do this with First Amendment activity. If Congress is unresponsive, we'll have to escalate in order to keep the issue alive and before it. This action may take on disruptive dimensions, but not violent in the sense of destroying life or property: it will be militant nonviolence.

[...]

In any event, we will not have been the ones who will have failed. We will place the problems of the poor at the seat of government of the wealthiest nation in the history of mankind. If that power refuses to acknowledge its debt to the poor, it would have failed to live up to its promise to insure "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to its citizens."

[A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King Jr., Pages 67-69]

While King called for an "economic bill of rights" that would "guarantee a job to all people who want work and are able to work," Beck has labeled Cass Sunstein the "most dangerous man in America" in part because Sunstein supposedly called for a "second Bill of Rights" that includes a guarantee of jobs. Attacking FDR over the idea of a "second Bill of Rights" last July, Beck called the idea that you have a "right" to a job "Marxism."

Beck vs. MLK on the redistribution of wealth

Beck: "It's economic justice, which is socialism, which is forced redistribution of wealth, which is Marxism." During one of his frequent assaults on social justice (which is covered in detail below), Beck linked Rev. Jim Wallis to a "Marxist Dorothy Day" plot to pervert the gospel and "rot us from the inside." In the rant, Beck described "economic justice" as "socialism, which is forced redistribution of wealth, which is Marxism."

King: "Some will be called reds and Communists merely because they believe in economic justice and the brotherhood of man. But we shall overcome." King predicted that critics like Glenn Beck would vilify those who believe in "economic justice" by invoking communism. In a 1961 speech to the AFL-CIO, King dismissed the idea that his adherence to "economic justice" somehow made him a Communist, saying: "Yes, before the victory is won, some will be misunderstood. Some will be dismissed as dangerous rabble-rousers and agitators. Some will be called reds and Communists merely because they believe in economic justice and the brotherhood of man. But we shall overcome." [A Testament of Hope, Page 207]

Beck mocked the idea that "evil rich people" don't "pay their fair share" in taxes, rips the "protected poor." Beck has also lashed out at the "protected poor" who are taking tax money from the rich. Using a series of pies as props, Beck tried to show "who isn't paying their fair share" and mocked the idea that the "evil rich people" don't pay enough in taxes:

BECK: Here's the pie. This represents all of the money that we have in the federal government, all the taxes that are paid. Well, let's see who isn't paying their fair share. You decide. Is it the top 1 percent? This is the entire budget, all of our revenue, all of our revenue. How much do the top 1 percent pay? Only -- only about this much. That's it. Only -- if I can just get underneath here -- and it's going to be yummy. Only about this much. That's the top 1 percent. Oh, I hate those evil rich people. When will they pay their fair share? This again is one. One percent. OK?

Now, how about the top 2 percent to the top 10 percent? OK? So, this would include the 1 percent here and the rest of them in the top 10 percent. That would be -- let's see -- that would be about here. We have from 2 percent to 10 percent, they're paying -- mmm, doesn't this pie look yummy now? Who wants some? Seriously. OK, so that's -- this is the top 10 percent. So, I got to put 10 people in the pie. That's 10 people.

Now, we've got now 71 percent of the pie. The top 50 percent of pie-eaters account for -- now, this is the rest of the top 50 percent -- and that's going to be these people. Got it? We got to put 50 people to pay for that piece of pie. One, nine, 50. This represents the bottom 50 percent. They pay -- do I have any more? Yeah. They pay the bottom 3 percent. OK? So, don't you hate this one guy? Oh, my gosh, he's just not paying enough. Got it? He's paying 40 percent.

Now, the top -- the bottom 3 percent I have to -- I have to let you know, the bottom 50 percent, that 3 percent, they pay -- the bottom 50 percent pays only 3 percent of everything that we spend. The rest of it is put in a protected poor pie place. They got their own pie, never even touched. In fact, from time to time -- it's so great -- from time to time, we just whip people up in such a frenzy -- we're like, "I hate those people. Give them some pie!" Every year, we just give them some of the more -- yeah, we just give it -- because we hate the top 1 percent. We just take more of their pie, and we put it in the protected zone now.

Nobody, nobody could get in the protected zone. No. Don't take the poor pie. It's these people that we hate. These people are good. Got it? Now, that's our income. This is all we've got left. Don't even think about taking this. This is what we have to spend.

King's "American Dream": "[P]roperty widely distributed" and "a land where men will not take necessities from the many to give luxuries to the few." On the other side of the spectrum, in his 1961 address to the AFL-CIO, King discussed how the "American dream" hasn't yet been fulfilled because it requires "equality of opportunity, of privilege and property widely distributed." King specifically decried the idea of taking "necessities from the many to give luxuries to the few."

This will be the day when we shall bring into full realization the American dream -- a dream yet unfulfilled. A dream of equality of opportunity, of privilege and property widely distributed; a dream of a land where men will not take necessities from the many to give luxuries to the few; a dream of a land where men will not argue that the color of a man's skin determines the content of his character; a dream of a nation where all our gifts and resources are held not for ourselves alone but as instruments of service for the rest of humanity; the dream of a country where every man will respect the dignity and worth of human personality -- that is the dream.

[A Testament of Hope, Page 206]

Beck vs. MLK on a "guaranteed annual income"

Beck: "They're collapsing the system and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income for all the workers! Workers of the world unite!" During one of his regular segments fearmongering about the so-called Cloward and Piven strategy -- which calls for an overloading of government-provided services to force the government into a providing an income for every citizen --  Beck told his viewers to Google the names "Cloward and Piven" because the Obama administration is "collapsing the system and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income for all the workers! Workers of the world unite!" [transcript for the November 3, 2009, edition of Glenn Beck, from the Nexis database]:

BECK: Here's two other names that they won't ever say. Put them on the bottom of the screen, please. Two names they will never say: Cloward and Piven. If you are watching with a DVR and you don't know what Cloward and Piven is, I want you to pause this show right now and go google it! Google it! Pause, please! Look it up.

This is important, because Cloward and Piven, the Cloward and Piven strategy, it's what they're doing. They're collapsing the system and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income for all the workers! Workers of the world unite!

They need to do it this way. They need it do it in the cover of darkness. They need you to not to listen to me -- because if you start to listen to me, you're never going to willingly give up your freedom. You're going to be nudged into it, and if they can't nudge you into it, well then they'll push you into it.

King: "We must develop a program that will drive the nation to a guaranteed national income." While Beck invokes the idea of a "guaranteed national income" to scare his viewers, King called on the U.S. to "develop a program that will drive the nation to a guaranteed national income" to counter the "dislocations in the market operations of our economy." In his final speech as president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, King dismissed the idea that such a program would be "destructive of initiative and responsibility":

We must develop a program that will drive the nation to a guaranteed annual income. Now, early in this century this proposal would have been greeted with ridicule and denunciation, as destructive of initiative and responsibility. At that time economic status was considered the measure of the individual's ability and talents. And, in the thinking of that day, the absence of worldly goods indicated a want of industrious habits and moral fiber. We've come a long way in our understanding of human motivation and of the blind operation of our economic system. Now we realize that the dislocations in the market operations of our economy and the prevalence of discrimination thrust people into idleness and bind them in constant or frequent unemployment against their will. Today the poor are less often dismissed, I hope, from our consciences by being branded as inferior or incompetent. We also know that no matter how dynamically the economy develops and expands, it does not eliminate all poverty.

The problem indicates that our emphasis must be twofold. We must create full employment or we must create incomes. People must be made consumers by one method or the other. Once they are placed in this position we need to be concerned that the potential of the individual is not wasted. New forms of work that enhance the social good will have to be devised for those for whom traditional jobs are not available.

[A Testament of Hope, Page 247]

King's compassion for the poor, who he hoped were "less often dismissed, I hope, from our consciences by being branded as inferior or incompetent," is a far cry from Beck's regular mockery and ridicule of those who are less fortunate than he is. During the debate over health care reform -- which Beck characterized as "good old socialism ... raping the pocketbooks of the rich to give to the poor" -- Beck and his crew repeatedly mocked the uninsured. In May, Beck played a clip of a protestor whose home was foreclosed on and yelled, "Get a job!"

Beck vs. MLK on the "fundamental transformation" of our country

Glenn Beck has repeatedly attacked President Obama for saying shortly before the 2008 election that "we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America." In January of this year, Beck compared Obama's call to "fundamentally transform" America to Vladimir Putin and Boris Yeltsin transforming the Soviet Union into an oligarchy. Beck also invoked the idea before the passage of health care reform, claiming that if the bill passed, the "pieces that the president needs to control every aspect of your life, to fundamentally transform America, will be finished." Though Beck fearmongers about Obama discussing a "fundamental transformation" of the country, King called for people to ask questions about "restructuring the whole of American society."

Beck fearmongered about a "fundamental transformation" based on "social and environmental and economic justice." On the May 5 edition of his Fox News program, Beck mocked the idea that we have a "broken system" and claimed that progressives will "tell us if the market has failed us, that consumerism was the problem, that it all led to greed and carelessness for the planet and everything has got to change" (from Nexis):

BECK: Somebody has got to be there to pick up all the pieces of the broken system and show us a better way to live. They will tell us if the free market has failed us, that consumerism was the problem, that it all led to greed and carelessness for the planet and everything has got to change. We have to have a fundamental transformation to move forward again.

And this time we will build a caring, loving, tolerant society based on social and environmental justice and economic justice. And all the animals will start to talk like they do in every Disney movie. It will be great.

But who are the people telling us that things are unsustainable? That's weird. All the people who helped create the problem. And this will affect us how again? Oh, yes. Yes, that's right. Because of mutually assured economic destruction, we're all connected, tied together.

King: "[T]he movement must address itself to the question of restructuring the whole of American society." In his last address as president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, King discussed the direction the civil rights movement should "go from here":

I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, as we talk about "Where do we go from here," that we honestly face the fact that the movement must address itself to the question of restructuring the whole of American society. There are forty million poor people here. And one day we must ask the question, "Why are there forty million poor people in America?" And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth. When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I'm simply saying that more and more, we've got to begin to ask questions about the whole society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. It means that questions must be raised. You see, my friends, when you deal with this, you begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?" You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron ore?" You begin to ask to the question, "Why is it that people have to pay water bills in a world that is two-thirds water?" These are questions that must be asked.

Now, don't think you have me in a "bind" today. I'm not talking about communism.

What I'm saying to you this morning is that communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social, and the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truth of both. Now, when I say question the whole society, it means ultimately coming to see that the problem of racism, the problem of economic exploitation, and the problem of war are all tied together. These are the triple evils that are interrelated.

[A Testament of Hope, Page 250]

Beck declared that Obama "really is a Marxist" because he "believes in the redistribution of wealth." On the August 4, 2008, edition of his CNN Headline News show, Beck said: "The thing that I do find about Barack Obama is that -- and I think America is starting to catch on to this -- this guy really is a Marxist. He believes in the redistribution of wealth. He believes in the global government and everything else."

King: "[W]e are dealing with issues that cannot be solved without the nation spending billions of dollars -- and undergoing a radical redistribution of economic power." In his book Judgment Days: Lyndon Baines Johnson, Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Laws That Changed America, author Nick Kotz writes that during a 1968 trip to Mississippi, King stated: "It didn't cost the nation one penny to integrate lunch counters," and, "It didn't cost the nation one penny to guarantee the right to vote." King concluded that "now, we are dealing with issues that cannot be solved without the nation spending billions of dollars -- and undergoing a radical redistribution of economic power."

Beck vs. MLK on social justice

Part and parcel of his ongoing fight against the idea of redistribution of wealth are Beck's many attacks on the concept of "social justice" and his demonization (literally) of churches, religious figures, and progressives that support the idea.

Among many other examples:

  • Beck advised listeners that when they see the words "social justice," they should "run, and don't listen to anyone who is telling you differently."
  • Beck told people to question church leaders who are "basing their religion on social justice."
  • Beck said progressives are trying to "hijack churches" with "social justice" and "economic justice."
  • Beck has also smeared supporters of social justice by saying that both Nazis and communists supported "social justice" and "talked about economic justice, rights of the workers, redistribution of wealth, and surprisingly -- I love this -- democracy."

But Beck's attacks on social justice place him at odds with King, who dedicated his life to the cause of social justice.

Beck: "[C]ivil rights marchers" weren't "crying for social justice" In May, Beck attacked Democratic members of Congress for purportedly conflating health care reform with civil rights. Describing the "civil rights marchers," Beck said they "were people with profound belief in God. They were trying to set things right. They weren't crying for social justice, they were crying out for equal justice":

BECK: These people want to try to paint themselves as civil rights movement. You know, they're just a civil rights guy. "No, we're not revolutionaries, what? No, we're civil rights marchers."

Who were the civil rights marchers? They were people with profound belief in God. They were trying to set things right. They weren't crying for social justice, they were crying out for equal justice.

But these people, these mobs -- they're trying to recreate the civil rights thing all over again -- health care, banking reform, housing, the presidency, everything. Watch. Watch this.

[begin video clips] 

SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): When this body was on the verge of guaranteeing equal civil rights to everyone, regardless of the color of their skin, some senators resorted to the same filibuster threats that we hear today.

REP. DENNIS KUCINICH (D-OH): I believe health care is a civil right.

REP. PATRICK KENNEDY (D-RI): The parallels between the struggle for civil rights and the fight to make quality affordable health care accessible to all Americans are significant.

REP. JAMES CLYBURN (D-SC): This is a Civil Rights Act for the 21st century.

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): This is a civil rights act.

King: "[W]e will be able to go this additional distance and achieve the ideal, the goal of the new age, the age of social justice." King gave a speech in 1963 at Western Michigan University expressly on the topic of "social justice." During the speech, King identified "the age of social justice" as a "goal" and "the ideal":

There is another thing about this attitude. We'll help those of us who have been the victims of oppression, and those of us who have been the victims of injustices in the old order, to go into the new order with the proper attitude, an attitude of reconciliation. It will help us to go in not with an idea of rising from position of disadvantage, to one of advantage, thus subverting justice. It will not cause us to substitute one tyranny for another. This is why I have said all over this nation that we must never substitute a doctrine of black supremacy for white supremacy. For the doctrine of black supremacy is as dangerous as white supremacy. God is not interested merely in the freedom of black men and brown men and yellow men but God is interested in the freedom of the whole human race, the creation of a society where all men will live together as brothers.

I think with all of these challenges being met and with all of the work, and determination going on, we will be able to go this additional distance and achieve the ideal, the goal of the new age, the age of social justice.

King discussed the "pursuit of social justice" In an interview that appeared in the January 1965 edition of Playboy magazine, King lamented the "socioeconomic vise" that led to riots. King specifically pointed to "social justice" and the "pursuit of social justice" as one of his goals:

PLAYBOY: Whom do you mean by "the establishment"?

MARTIN LUTHER KING: I mean the white leadership -- which I hold as responsible as anyone for the riots, for not removing the conditions that cause them. The deep frustration, the seething desperation of the Negro today is a product of slum housing, chronic poverty, woefully inadequate education and substandard schools. The Negro is trapped in a long and desolate corridor with no exit sign, caught in a vicious socioeconomic vise. And he is ostracized as is no other minority group in America by the evil of oppressive and constricting prejudice based solely upon his color. A righteous man has no alternative but to resist such an evil system. If he does not have the courage to resist nonviolently, then he runs the risk of a violent emotional explosion. As much as I deplore violence, there is one evil that is worse than violence, and that's cowardice. It is still my basic article of faith that social justice can be achieved and democracy advanced only to the degree that there is firm adherence to nonviolent action and resistance in the pursuit of social justice.

Beck: "They have infiltrated our churches" and "confused the gospel with government-run programs." Criticizing cap-and-trade legislation in June, Beck again attacked people who advocate "social justice," saying that they "have infiltrated our churches" and "confused the gospel with government run-programs."

King: "If America does not use her vast resources to end poverty ... she too will go to hell." King regularly painted the war against poverty -- which, again, he advocated fighting with large federal programs -- in a religious light. For example, in an address at the Bishop Charles Mason Temple in Memphis delivered weeks before his assassination, King recounted the biblical story of Dives and Lazarus, and interpreted the story as telling people that "Dives went to hell because he wanted to be a conscientious objector in the war against poverty." He continued:

And I come by here to say that America too is going to hell, if we don't use her wealth... If America does not use her vast resources to end poverty .. make it possible for all of God's children to have the basis.. basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell.

King: Communism "should challenge every Christian -- as it challenged me -- to a growing concern about social justice." While King was firmly opposed to communism -- considering it to be "basically evil" -- he credited it with leading him to "a growing concern about social justice." In an essay published in the September 1958 edition of Fellowship magazine, King discussed how Marxismchallenged the "social conscience of the Christian churches" and noted that the "Christian ought always to be challenged by any protest against unfair treatment of the poor." Once again, King approvingly cited the role that "social reforms" had played in reducing the gap between "superfluous wealth and abject poverty" and once again explicitly advocated for "better distribution of wealth":

Yet, in spite of the fact that my response to communism was and is negative, and I considered it basically evil, there were points at which I found it challenging. The late Archbishop of Canterbury, William Temple, referred to communism as a Christian heresy. By this he meant that communism had laid hold of certain truths which are essential parts of the Christian view of things, but that it had bound up with them concepts and practices which no Christian could ever accept or profess. Communism challenged the late Archbishop and it should challenge every Christian -- as it challenged me -- to a growing concern about social justice. With all of its false assumptions and evil methods, communism grew as a protest against the hardships of the underprivileged. Communism in theory emphasized a classless society, and a concern for social justice, though the world knows from sad experience that in practice it created new classes and a new lexicon of injustice. The Christian ought always to be challenged by any protest against unfair treatment of the poor, for Christianity is itself such a protest, nowhere expressed more eloquently than in Jesus' words: "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord."

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But in spite of the shortcomings of his analysis, Marx had raised some basic questions. I was deeply concerned from my early teen days about the gulf between superfluous wealth and abject poverty, and my reading of Marx made me ever more conscious of this gulf. Although modern American capitalism had greatly reduced the gap through social reforms, there was still need for a better distribution of wealth. Moreover, Marx had revealed the danger of the profit motive as the sole basis of an economic system: capitalism is always in danger of inspiring men to be more concerned about making a living than making a life. We are prone to judge success by the index of our salaries or the size of our automobiles, rather than by the quality of our service and relationship to humanity -- thus capitalism can lead to a practical materialism that is as pernicious as the materialism taught by communism.

In short, I read Marx as I read all of the influential historical thinkers -- from a dialectical point of view, combining a partial "yes" and a partial "no." In so far as Marx posited a metaphysical materialism, an ethical relativism, and a strangulating totalitarianism, I responded with an unambiguous "no"; but in so far as he pointed to weaknesses of traditional capitalism, contributed to the growth of a definite self-consciousness in the masses, and challenged the social conscience of the Christian churches, I responded with a definite "yes."

My reading of Marx also convinced me that truth is found neither in Marxism nor in traditional capitalism. Each represents a partial truth. Historically capitalism failed to see the truth in collective enterprise, and Marxism failed to see the truth in individual enterprise. Nineteenth century capitalism failed to see that life is social and Marxism failed and still fails to see that life is individual and personal. The Kingdom of God is neither the thesis of individual enterprise nor the antithesis of collective enterprise, but a synthesis which reconciles the truths of both.

Media Matters intern Kevin Zieber contributed to this report.

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    • Author by DellDolly (August 25, 2010 2:57 pm ET)
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      The Republicans of 1865 are not the Republicans of today.

      The Southern Democrats of 1965 are NOT even DEMOCRATS today.

      For him to suggest that it was HIS SIDE of the political philosophy scale that supported the civil rights battles that were fought in this country by MLK Jr and others is much more than "rewriting history"!

      Terrific work, MMFA.
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      • Author by nerzog (August 25, 2010 3:14 pm ET)
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        They just can't bring themselves to admit that the bigots known as Dixiecrats have all migrated to the Republican Party. You'll probably find several out there brandishing misspelled Teabagger signs.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (August 25, 2010 3:39 pm ET)
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          Well, honestly, wouldn't you? History showed the Dixiecrats for what they were and they don't like it. Neither do the Teabaggers, they just rebranded, but compost by any other name still reeks.
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          • Author by pilotx (August 27, 2010 4:27 pm ET)
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            I'll be at the Beck rally afterall. My cell is 312-307-1196.
            Mike
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      • Author by Invent a Scandal (August 25, 2010 4:27 pm ET)
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        Agree,
        Fantastic work by this great website.

        Exposes Beck utterly as the charlatan and hypocrite that he is.
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      • Author by fairliberal (August 25, 2010 7:54 pm ET)
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        "The Southern Democrats of 1965 are NOT even DEMOCRATS today"

        Not since Robert Byrd died anyway, until then the Southern Dems of 65 were indeed todays democrats.
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        • Author by internet soldier (August 25, 2010 8:35 pm ET)
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          That's an interesting position considering there are hardly any southern democrats anymore. Do you think everyone in the south moved north since 1965 and vice versa? Why do African-Americans now vote for democrats in overwhelming numbers? Are they misguided? Your self-deception amazes me.
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          • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 8:40 pm ET)
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            Are they misguided?

            Although they always stop short of it, yes, the official conservative position on this appears to be that blacks are so stupid that the vast majority of them believe everything the evil Democrat Party Svengalis tell them, since the poor dears can't think for themselves. Poor rednecks, on the other hand, overwhelmingly vote against their own economic interests because they Love Freedom (tm).
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            • Author by internet soldier (August 26, 2010 10:22 am ET)
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              This appears to be a major denial point for republicans. It must take a lot of mental effort for them not to ask why southern whites have switched to the GOP and African-Americans switched to the democrats since the '60s. This reality ought to be telling or at least raise questions for normal people. But the righties seem to be able to switch off parts of their brains when it is giving them information they don't like.
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              • Author by pilotx (August 26, 2010 4:54 pm ET)
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                Can't blame them when respected figures in the conservative movement bring up these misleading "facts". The population at large will only seek information they find supports their worldview so Limbaugh, beck, Palin, ect. become the go to sources for information. I personally pity them when the believe such easily disproven information but it's their life to do with as they see fit.
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        • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 8:35 pm ET)
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          Really? Name me one besides Byrd who was around back then.
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        • Author by DellDolly (August 25, 2010 11:57 pm ET)
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          Since when is West Virginia a SOUTHERN state?

          Did you forget that they split from Virginia over slavery at the start of the Civil War?

          It's a documented fact that almost all of the Southern Dems who voted against the Civil Rights Act either retired fairly quickly, or died, were voted out of office, OR became Republicans. And their supporters no longer support the Democratic Party!

          This isn't rocket science, yet your best comeback is telling me that I'm wrong? Really?
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          • Author by union (August 25, 2010 11:59 pm ET)
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            (applause)

            :)
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          • Author by TheAncients (August 27, 2010 12:45 pm ET)
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            "Since when is West Virginia a SOUTHERN state?"

            Since roughly 1820 - the Missouri Compromise, when the Mason-Dixon line became a cultural boundary between the Northern and Southern states.

            Also according to the Census Bureau, which considers W.VA part of the South.

            Although noting that tidbit about the Census Bureau really doesn't speak to your question ("since when"), I'm going to presume that you can readily find that fact yourself using available resources, if the actual date is really meaningful to you in some fashion.

            Perhaps "southern" means something different to you? Or you are using it in a different or more narrow or more broad context than the person to whom you are responding? is it truly reasonable that one must be "wrong" because one or the other in a discussion refuse to meet on any sort of common ground (with respect to terminology), guaranteeing the continuation of talking past each other instead of engaging in more constructive forms of communication?
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    • Author by indigo1968 (August 25, 2010 3:13 pm ET)
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      MMFA: Tell us something we don't know.
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    • Author by Don Quixote (August 25, 2010 3:39 pm ET)
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      Damn, that last paragraph of MLK's blew me away. I'd never really read him as a post-modern philosopher who recognized the failings of both of the big experiments of modernity. Excellently argued criticism of Beckian discourse Kevin!

      My theory is that Beck, et.al., have coopted MLK, not because they genuinely concur with his views, but rather to neutralize his symbolic iconic power rightfully owned by non-whites. Symbolic capital is really the only form of power minorities have, and if rich, white, reactionary males like Beck own MLK, then there is hardly anything left. This appropriation of the Others' symbols is an age-old rhetorical trick, tried and true and Beck knows what he's doing.

      Either that or he's certifiably insane in believing MLK is an appropriate symbol for his self-serving causes.
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      • Author by TheDayV (August 26, 2010 4:17 pm ET)
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        I don't see how MLK is "rightfully owned by non-whites." I do not believe that the lines of poverty and race line up exactly. What I'm reading here, in terms of symbolic capital, is not a grand figure in a solely racial discourse so much as one in a moral discourse based on economics with heavy racial overtones. Poverty's existence is a moral problem, not a racial one. The connections aren't non-existant, but poverty is older than the American slave trade. Wouldn't King point to the immorality of caste systems in Asia, serfdom in Tsarist Russia, or even the class structure in industrial Britain?

        Also, as a white, male, lower-class student, I understand that I am not capable of understanding completely what it is to hear MLK as a black person, but does that mean he wasn't also speaking to people that fall into the same demographics as me? To whom do we also deny "ownership" of his message? Is his message of non-violence, peace through love, and economic justice denied to me because of my skin and gender?
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        • Author by Don Quixote (August 27, 2010 12:21 pm ET)
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          Excellent thoughtful post; I rec'd it. But I never said his message wasn't universal, nor did I address the complex causes of poverty. My point was really directed at his symbolic power specifically as a black civil rights icon, and how Beck, et.al., are either consciously or inadvertently attempting to neutralize that power. I concede to your point that poor whites can rightfully exploit that symbolic power as victims of classism.

          I don't fundamentally disagree with anything else you say other than perhaps the degree to which race is indeed a factor in poverty. Classism and racism are in fact closely related, and all you have to do is look at the sociological data on poverty and race to see that non-whites have significantly less upward class mobility than whites. Being a rich white male, who is a frequent apologist and defender of his privileged socioeconomic and racial group, Beck's appropriation of MLK's symbolic power is even more disturbing. If racism is defined as the exploitation of racial differences to establish and maintain power imbalances, then Beck's rhetorical inversions and manipulations can be viewed as racist in and of themselves.
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          • Author by congero6189599 (August 27, 2010 1:46 pm ET)
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            What twerp would give you a thumps down for such an excellent thought out response to another posters question.
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          • Author by TheDayV (August 27, 2010 7:56 pm ET)
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            I agree that classism and racism are closely related, but my question is which one dominated King's agenda. Obviously, one or the other was a close second, but which one came first? I'd say that his position on the Vietnam warsuggests, despite his comments on the domestic racial aspect of the war, that poverty was the greater of his causes, but that his racial battles grew directly out of that.

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    • Author by Space-Pedestrian (August 25, 2010 3:39 pm ET)
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      Yawn. Who actually watches this guy?

      Ever wonder...
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      • Author by DellDolly (August 25, 2010 3:46 pm ET)
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        Totally off-topic rant by someone trying to derail the thread. Please don't feed the troll.
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      • Author by bintx (August 25, 2010 3:51 pm ET)
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        Apparently, you're one of the dishonest, uneducated con-man's biggest marks. He's laughing at you . . . so are we.
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        • Author by Space-Pedestrian (August 25, 2010 4:03 pm ET)
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          You'd be wrong there, I'm afraid. Beck is pandering to the lowest common denominator and poorly at that. He just isn't respected by true conservatives. He's watched by blue collar skilled workers who have a bent against taxes; and he makes them feel a little smarter.

          He is the one who ought to be ignored like a troll and have it all go away. But alas, Beck is MMfA's favorite hobby horse. I suppose he poses some threat in their view.

          But honestly, MLK is superior in every way to Beck, and was in no way a Marxist, and in no way should his legacy be distorted. Beck is just stupid enough to bark up this tree in the first place.

          Martin Luther King knew that Americans were meant to achieve on their merits, if only the playing field was level. Thus the "destructive of initiative and responsibility" attitude towards unlimited entitlements.

          No match.
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          • Author by roundhouse (August 25, 2010 4:18 pm ET)
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            "Martin Luther King knew that Americans were meant to achieve on their merits, if only the playing field was level. Thus the "destructive of initiative and responsibility" attitude towards unlimited entitlements."

            I don't know your political leanings but you just regurgitated bland Republican talking points.
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            • Author by Space-Pedestrian (August 25, 2010 7:19 pm ET)
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              Fair enough, though surely you're aware most of what appears here consists of bland lefty talking points. Sorry to disrupt the echo chamber.

              You'd like to minimize or dismiss anything MLK may have uttered about personal responsibility, individual liberty, or anything else resembling a conservative ideology. But he truly took the better parts of both sides as he saw them to form a philosophy for living and growing and applied it to the pertinent issues of his day. For that, he'd make a better President than any candidate we've seen from the major parties in a while.
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              • Author by roundhouse (August 25, 2010 8:57 pm ET)
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                That's a little funny considering Obama, as well, has sought to apply the better aspects of conservative and liberal philosophy to his own view of government.

                But, hey, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss conservative speak if ever I saw them actually take personal responsibility for their actions. Instead, we have Republicans doubling down on the same tax cut/deregulation mumbo-jumbo that tanked the economy in the first place.
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                • Author by Space-Pedestrian (August 25, 2010 9:51 pm ET)
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                  The Obama record is very left, given that I take liberalism as the reliance on government intervention to solve the apparent problems that decide elections.

                  For example, housing sales tanked this past month due to the expiration of the false charge to the market provided in the form of $8000 rebates. The market rebounded for several months, as it likely would have on its own subsequently, only to then retract once again, pushing us toward a double-dip.

                  Cash for clunkers...second verse, same as the first. And so on...

                  No, Obama seems to be listening to Larry Summers and Timmay Geithner - proponents of the Keynesian economics.

                  I may be wrong, here, mind you, so tell me how Obama has attempted to apply conservatism.
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                  • Author by pilotx (August 25, 2010 10:12 pm ET)
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                    Dr. King was very much accused of being a Marxist and many of his closest advisors were admitted Communists. Communism in the 60's and to the Black community has a different meaning than in the majority population. Search Bayard Rustin who not only was a Communist but homosexual. Also A. Phillip Randolph a devoted socialist was a big influence on Dr. King and the march on Washington.
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              • Author by internet soldier (August 26, 2010 8:53 am ET)
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                You'd like to minimize or dismiss anything MLK may have uttered about personal responsibility, individual liberty, or anything else resembling a conservative ideology.


                Those platitudes in themselves are definately not "conservative ideology", SP. Conservatives may believe in them, but who doesn't? Now, how much of the article did you read, SP? Did you manage to skim past this quote from MLK?

                We will place the problems of the poor at the seat of government of the wealthiest nation in the history of mankind


                or this?

                King's "American Dream": "[P]roperty widely distributed" and "a land where men will not take necessities from the many to give luxuries to the few."


                or this?

                Communism "should challenge every Christian -- as it challenged me -- to a growing concern about social justice.


                or this?

                We must develop a program that will drive the nation to a guaranteed national income.


                If modern conservatives had any intellectually honesty, they would attack Martin Luther King for his views on poverty, which were farther left than those of many people, Obama included, who they regularly call "socialists" or "marxists". Instead, they try to delude themselves that King was one of them.

                You yourself say Obama is "pretty far left", well MLK is LIGHTYEARS to the left of Obama, so why don't you attack this part of legacy? After all, you folks attack democratic politicians for saying FAR milder things, and MLK is FAR to the left of every major figure in today's democratic party.

                The reaction of conservatives to what MLK actually believed seems to be to put their fingers in their ears and scream "lalalalalalala".
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          • Author by New Frontier (August 25, 2010 5:07 pm ET)
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            He is the one who ought to be ignored like a troll and have it all go away. But alas, Beck is MMfA's favorite hobby horse. I suppose he poses some threat in their view.
            Why don't you ignore MMFA and see if it then goes away?
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      • Author by nerzog (August 25, 2010 4:09 pm ET)
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        [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8M4A38LyBBs/SJCPormYjdI/AAAAAAAAAic/Yv4EzZac2BM/s400/3.jpg]
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      • Author by New Frontier (August 25, 2010 4:51 pm ET)
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        Yawn.
        Thanks for contributing to the discussion. We know you did your best.
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      • Author by Johaely (August 25, 2010 10:21 pm ET)
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        To answer the question, according to themselves (those that ask why doesn't the lib-media make a deal of liberal radio talk), the liberal AM radio hosts have no viewers, so it'll be pointless and give them more of those they supposedly never have.
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        • Author by Handsome Pete (August 25, 2010 11:27 pm ET)
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          the liberal AM radio hosts have no viewers


          Ya know, you don't have to watch the radio to get the full experience. You pretty much just have to listen.
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        • Author by coldteablues19577325 (August 26, 2010 2:02 pm ET)
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          "To answer the question, according to themselves (those that ask why doesn't the lib-media make a deal of liberal radio talk), the liberal AM radio hosts have no viewers, so it'll be pointless and give them more of those they supposedly never have." --johaley

          I'm not really sure what you are attempting to point out here ... the fact that the AM talk radio jockeys haven't been picked up by liberal TV media? I'm not sure that I would agree that there's a liberal TV component to FOX News. While I no longer watch CNN, I do watch MSNBC, usually the more left-leaning programs but will note that they seem to be more "fair and balanced" than FOX. So, I tend to choose it in order to see what/how both sides are being represented. Just my choice/opinion.
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    • Author by News Corpse (August 25, 2010 3:48 pm ET)
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      Beck's hypocrisy has made it necessary to invent a new word because hypocrisy just doesn't cover it. Hyperpocrisy?

      [http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/4432652502_abcc3ddd5c_o.jpg]

      Here's another King quote on social justice straight from the "I Have a Dream" speech:

      "[W]e refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check — a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice."
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    • Author by Ro (August 25, 2010 3:59 pm ET)
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      I've been waiting for you guys to do this, MMFA. I tried making the same points to a conservative posting in the comments several months ago. He seemed to be a young man that truly had no idea what Martin Luther King's political beliefs actually were. The man fought for much more than racial equality. Much MUCH more.

      King's positions were called "communist" by the right-wing then, and if he were alive today (and just now coming to the fore), nothing would be any different. In fact, Fox News and conservative talk radio would be smearing him into oblivion on a daily basis (just like they do President Obama).

      The right-wing hated MLK and they still do. But Beck and the rest of them are shamelessly trying to co-opt King because they think doing so will help them to continue steering aging white Boomers to the right.

      And it's working. White Boomers my mother's age have a neat little trick they do. They've come to use MLK's name as a cloak. They frequently invoke ONLY the "content of his character" bit, while reminding themselves (and everybody else) how they grew up in the 60s and supported King when they're parents didn't. But it never occurs to them that they're not the same people they were back then. They've turned into their parents (they just don't use the N-word), and with Beck as their spokesman, have managed to ret-con King into someone he so thoroughly wasn't.
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      • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 25, 2010 7:17 pm ET)
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        You are wrong on so many counts.
        This might help

        All in the article can be verified, also.
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        • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 7:44 pm ET)
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          All in the article can be verified, also.

          Caught you, Sarah.
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        • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 7:47 pm ET)
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          By the way, not only is the troll's article the usual tired, debunked "IF DOCTUR KING WUZ A LIB THEN HOW COME SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS WERE RACIST IN THE SIXTIES I MEEN ITZ NOT LIEK THEY MADE SOME MASS EXODUS FROM THE PARTY AFTER THE SIVUL RITES ACT OR NUTHIN" horsesh!t, but, for added hilarity, it quotes Michael "I hope terrorists attack the United States because then people will vote Republican" Scheuer.
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          • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 25, 2010 7:51 pm ET)
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            Did you even read the article, bonehead?
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            • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 7:54 pm ET)
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              No, I just assume every article quotes Michael Scheuer.
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              • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 25, 2010 8:06 pm ET)
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                Obviously you don't absorb what you read very well. What's the matter, can't handle the truth? Not what they taught you in school (if they taught it at all)?
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                • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 8:10 pm ET)
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                  Again, the article claims that Democrats are racist by way of
                  A- talking about exclusively pre-1970s examples
                  and
                  B- completely ignoring the mass exodus of racist Southern Dems from the party after the Civil Rights Act. I guess you got me; I wasn't taught partisan, deliberately incomplete history in school.
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                  • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 10:06 am ET)
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                    "Mass exodus"? A fallacy.

                    "the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act were Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd of West Virginia, a former “Keagle” in the Ku Klux Klan, who made a 14-hour filibuster speech in the Senate in June 1964 in an unsuccessful effort to block passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act"

                    "because Republican Senator Everett successfully fought to pass civil rights laws in the face of strong opposition to civil rights laws by the Democrats, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. hailed Senator Dirksen’s “able and courageous leadership;” and “The Chicago Defender,” the largest black-owned daily at that time, praised Senator Dirksen “for the grand manner of his generalship behind the passage of the best civil rights measures that have ever been enacted into law since Reconstruction,”

                    there's more than explains into further detail why the dems are not a real "friend" to minorities.
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 12:55 pm ET)
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                      The main opponents of civil rights were conservative southerners both democractic and republican. You failed to note the committees that drafted and passed this legislation were chaired by democrats and they would not have left committee without their support and was signed by a Democractic president. In 1964 Barry Goldwater the Republican nominee for president ran on a campaign to repeal the legislation.

                      I always wonder why conservatives history of this legislation stops after 1964 but I know the answer; it's because it is convient. It's convenient to forgot Barry Goldwaters presidential campaign promise to repeal this law if elected. it's convenient to forget the Southern Strategy engineered by Lee Atwater(and still in practice today)that successfully took advantage of the split in the Democractic party between the southern dixie-crats who opposed the legislation and became part of the Republican party enabeling the Republicans to boast that the south was theres.

                      Heres some reading for you:

                      As a member of the Reagan administration in 1981, Atwater gave an anonymous interview to Political Scientist Alexander P. Lamis. Part of this interview was printed in Lamis' book The Two-Party South, then reprinted in Southern Politics in the 1990s with Atwater's name revealed. Bob Herbert reported on the interview in the October 6, 2005 edition of the New York Times. Atwater talked about the GOP's Southern Strategy and Ronald Reagan's version of it:

                      Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn’t have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.

                      Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

                      Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "ni$$er, ni$$er,n@$$er ." By 1968 you can't say "ni$$er" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Ni$$er, ni$$er."[6][7]

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater

                      Atwater has sinced pasted on but his tactics have been picked up by Karl Rove and we see it in action today. To his credit before his death Atwater apologized to Michael Dukakis(sp) and his use of racial politics:

                      Lee Atwater's sorrow for the road taken
                      http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060519/news_1c19fixin.html

                      I wonder when will the Republican Party?



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                      • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 2:00 pm ET)
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                        In 1964 Barry Goldwater the Republican nominee for president ran on a campaign to repeal the legislation.

                        That is not true. BG voted against the 1964 legislation because he felt that title II and title VII "unlawfully overextended the role of the federal government". He also regretted having to do it, and would probably be the only reason that he would want to repeal it since his record reflects a history of desegregation and involvement with the NAACP.
                        Before you brand BG as anti-civil rights, I would suggest you find out all that he did for the state of AZ.
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                        • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 2:20 pm ET)
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                          How laughable and unterrly uninformed you are. Goldwater ran on the program of states rights you repeal those sections of the civil rights legislation you effectively gut the legislation . Of course he regretted it he lost the election. I like when you use probably another way of admitting you don't know WTF you are talking about.

                          Seems like you talked yourself into another pickle though since MLK supported the legislation including title II and title VII and stood diametrically against the concept of states rights how can you now claim hold to his legacy? Oh and before you type some ignorant stuff about prove it how would state rights protect him and the freedom marchers from state and local authrorities use of police dogs ,waterhoses,jail,and lynchings?

                          The clarion call of those against civil rights was "states rights." MLK and the civil rights movement stood in direct contrast to Goldwater and the idea of states rights trumping equal rights.

                          William Bunch of MMFA wrote this and I agree:

                          While all these histories are too important to lose to revisionism, none represents more of a risk than the civil rights era. In 1963, King understood that his dream of equal rights for black Americans would never happen without intervention from the federal government, a concept that's such an anathema to the Tea Partiers, the Beck-sponsored 9/12 movement and the other right-wing radicals who'll occupy the Mall this Saturday.

                          Famously, King lashed out at the Alabama governor -- George Wallace -- who had "his lips dripping with the words of 'interposition' and 'nullification' " -- a reference to claims by Wallace and other segregationists that states' rights trumped the power of Washington to promote integration.

                          Yet these two maligned principles are exactly what the Tea Party wants their red-state governors to do to block health care reform and other major federal initiatives of the first black president. This contradiction is lost on the Tea Partiers, and if the recent past is prologue, such facts will matter little to the mass of people who've risen up in the backlash against the Obama presidency.

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                          • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 2:53 pm ET)
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                            The link for the whole article by Will Bunch on CNN:
                            http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/26/bunch.beck.history/index.html
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 1:01 pm ET)
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                      look up Dixie-crats and the south and southern strategy it will save you the embarassment of posting stuff like fallacy.
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                      • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 2:16 pm ET)
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                        I am not embarrassed about anything.
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                        • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 2:22 pm ET)
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                          Fools never are.
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                          • Author by pilotx (August 26, 2010 9:35 pm ET)
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                            This guy goes to the Black Republican Association to get info about Dr. King and the civil rights movement? How cute. he used an article by Frances rice who makes those of so adorable but false billboards about Dr. King being a Republican and instead of providing proof when you ask her she says sue her if you think she's lying. Doughpro is quite the piece of work. Maybe next week he can post something about how the moon landing never happened. It's like a high schooler playing against pros. Gotta respect his spunkiness though.
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                        • Author by pilotx (August 26, 2010 9:26 pm ET)
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                          Oh my god you're using Frances Rice as your proof? she is quite special.I have had many e-mail debates with her, actually she just sent me a few today. Just for future reference Ms. Rice is a bit, um how do we say, special, I wouldn't use her as a source. Check this out too shameful.
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                        • Author by Ro (August 27, 2010 3:16 pm ET)
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                          Of course not. The anonymity of the internet cloaks you from any actual consequences of your words.
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                • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 8:14 pm ET)
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                  And by the way, the article presents a false choice. It's not about whether Republicans or Democrats were racist while Dr. King was alive. It's about the fact that the white power structure as a whole perpetuated institutionalized racism. King aimed to put a stop to that and he got some help at key points from people in both parties, because they wanted to do the right thing, not because one of their parties was inherently non-racist.
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            • Author by Ro (August 25, 2010 8:24 pm ET)
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              I did. And its the same worn crap you guys always spew about MLK.
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            • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 3:49 pm ET)
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              Hey you doughpoo wake-up!!!
              Ever hear of Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms and the great switch?
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        • Author by Ro (August 25, 2010 8:12 pm ET)
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          You're a fool. And the author of that "article" is a propagandist.

          Next.
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        • Author by phredicles (August 25, 2010 8:12 pm ET)
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          "hiphoprepublican"? Hahahahahahahahahaha. Gosh, that doesn't sound like a lame-@$$ propaganda mouthpiece at all.

          Just because you're dumb as dirt doesn't mean everyone else is too, D'ohpro.
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          • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 10:11 am ET)
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            your response shows your ignorance, typical of those who stereotype.
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            • Author by goonhee9633 (August 26, 2010 4:30 pm ET)
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              No, listen to him; You really are dumb, or you're a liar with some kind of financial stake in your point of view, like your reactionary heroes. By the way, your heroes think you're dumb as well.
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    • Author by The New Pilgrims (August 25, 2010 4:04 pm ET)
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      Not only would MLK have been on Glenn Beck's chalkboard, but Beck also would have had a dedicated phone line just for that call from MLK -- if, that is, MLK ever wanted to call the show to explain why he hated America so much.
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    • Author by jms (August 25, 2010 4:49 pm ET)
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      Sure, sure, we should believe MMFA's biased, agenda driven rant, and not the only King family member attending either rally on 8/28:

      http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/23/alveda-king-speaks-on-whether-her-uncle-martin-luther-king-jr-would-stand-with-glenn-beck-or-naacp-on-aug-28/

      Cue the hatred of the supposedly compassionate progressives...
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      • Author by The New Pilgrims (August 25, 2010 5:07 pm ET)
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        I have no beef with Alveda King. At the same time (here comes my alleged "hatred"), it's a bit disingenous to imply that anyone can speak for their deceased uncle, especially on political matters.

        For example, none of my uncles would ever want me speaking politically for them. And I would never dream of presenting myself as a spokesman for an uncle, because politically speaking, we are worlds apart.
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        • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 25, 2010 6:42 pm ET)
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          it's a bit disingenous to imply that anyone can speak for their deceased uncle, especially on political matters.

          A huge misconception is that the 8/28 rally is a political one, and it's not.
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          • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 6:46 pm ET)
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            That would explain why such noted apolitical figures as Sarah Palin are speaking. Can you really be this stupid?
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            • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 25, 2010 7:22 pm ET)
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              Can you really be this stupid?

              What you are saying is that someone who has been involved in politics is unable to speak at a non-political event?
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              • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 7:44 pm ET)
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                I'm saying someone who is so steeped in partisan politics that she praises a woman for saying "n---er" simply because liberals are condemning her for it is unable to speak at a non-political event.
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                • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 25, 2010 7:55 pm ET)
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                  That is one heck of a stretch. Did it hurt?
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                  • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 7:57 pm ET)
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                    How is it a stretch? Palin tries to make political hay out of absolutely everything. She's demonstrated that over and over again. Or are you saying she just sincerely believes, person to person, that there's nothing wrong with saying "n---er"?
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                    • Author by Handsome Pete (August 25, 2010 11:34 pm ET)
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                      It's way worse than saying "retard", for which Palin believes you should immediately be fired for saying once.
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                      • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 10:19 am ET)
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                        Really? Do you have evidence of this?

                        From what the rest of the country has seen, she has had had many hate-groups throw everything have at her by ridiculing her and her family relentlessy, filing lawsuits, and trying to discredit her job as governor, but she has not wavered one bit. Bet that ticks you off, doesn't it? Her resigning as governor (in part, thanks to you guys who really had no clue that you were doing us all a favor), was the best thing she could do, since it freed her up for many, many other things.
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                        • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 11:49 am ET)
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                          Low information Faux news consumer doughpoo. You are not familiar with Palin calling for Rahm Emanuel being fired for saying retard? Then the next day defending Rushs use of it? Inform yourself please and stop regurgitating Faux talking points. Sara is making millions off of you uninformed and joyously ignorant people. Doesn't tick me off at all it's just disturbing the arrogance displayed defending ignorance.
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                          • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 2:30 pm ET)
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                            OMG, that is your example? Rahm Emmanuel is not a radio host. He is a part of the Obama administration whose attitudes and decisions affect the country as a whole. I don't know about you, but I don't think that bone-headed neanderthals who have no problem calling people "f-ing retarded" belong in such high positions of power.
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                            • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 2:38 pm ET)
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                              You really are as stupid as you seem. you asked for proof of what a poster said about SP calling for someone to be fired I provided you with what the poster was referencing. Now you want to argue whether the person should be fired or not. What you need you need to be born with...a brain. The Strawman of the Wizard of Oz comes to mind and the song "If I only had a brain." Tsk,tsk,tsk.
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                        • Author by CoolSlaw (August 26, 2010 12:16 pm ET)
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                          That's pretty rich.

                          Please take off the buick sized partisan blinders.

                          First off all, Sarah Palin was in over her head as governor of Alaska, and she quit to pursue money and further celebrity. She's also thrown around lots of mud and insults herself. Dishing it out and not being able to take it comes to mind.

                          Secondly, if the attacks on Sarah Palin bother you, then you're ignoring the right wing media and the relentless demonization of any liberal or democrat that commits the terrible sin of drawing breath while not being republican. If she were a liberal or democrat, even if she weren't stupid and petty, she would be getting far worse from the right wing media every day.

                          Sorry if I don't cry for poor Princess Palin.
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                          • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 1:07 pm ET)
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                            He also forgets that many of negatives about Palin came from members of her own campaign staff. Diva,clothing scandal,not knowing anything particularly that Africa was a continent not a country all came from her vice presidential handlers. Even conservative journalist chimed in Peggy Noonan comes to mind that she was not qualified and a poor choice.

                            Doughpoo either has blinders on or is just woefully uninformed in either case the results or the same he doesn't know WTF he is talking about.
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                        • Author by soze169880 (August 26, 2010 6:39 pm ET)
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                          she has not wavered one bit

                          Besides that time she got bored and quit?
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              • Author by Johaely (August 25, 2010 8:13 pm ET)
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                Palin only talks politics and victimhood.
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                • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 10:20 am ET)
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                  No, you're just not listening.
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                  • Author by CoolSlaw (August 26, 2010 12:19 pm ET)
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                    That's true, she has core values as well. If you don't believe me, you can look where she's written them down on her hand so she won't forget.
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                  • Author by open_mind (August 26, 2010 8:43 pm ET)
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                    How is this not victimhood?

                    "[Sarah Palin] has had had many hate-groups throw everything have at her by ridiculing her and her family relentlessy, filing lawsuits, and trying to discredit her job as governor..."--doughpro
                    I see nothing you wrote that expects Mrs. Palin to take any personal responsibility for the way she has been treated. Palin gave some terrible interviews that even her campaign staffers say were in response to fair questions, yet Palin openly (and strangely) blames Couric and anybody else who makes Palin look bad by asking her the simplest question like "What magazines do you read?" or something to that effect.
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          • Author by bintx (August 25, 2010 7:12 pm ET)
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            I have no misconception. Beck told us what it was almost a year ago. It's a book promo for his latest ghostwritten piece of David Barton's schlock [complete with false, made-up quotes] with a little Cleon Skousen BS thrown in for good measure.

            It's not a rally, it's a book promo.
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          • Author by The_Cat (August 25, 2010 7:25 pm ET)
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            Just what kind of rally is it, doughpro1604643? Aside from one that as of yet has no permit, by the way?
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            • Author by DellDolly (August 26, 2010 12:06 am ET)
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              Are you sure it doesn't have a permit yet? I think it does, and they had to get staffing help from a couple of groups in order to jump through all the hoops to get that permit, as WELL as promise that it wasn't a political rally (even though it will be) in order to get the permit for a fundraising event.
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            • Author by DellDolly (August 26, 2010 12:14 am ET)
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              Yeah, they got the permit last Thursday.

              The National Park Service said Thursday that it has approved the permit for the Aug. 28 Glenn Beck/Sarah Palin rally at the Lincoln Memorial.

              Park Service spokesman Bill Line said the permit indicates that organizers expect 300,000 people to attend. Line said it is a "fixed rally" without a march. The rally will go from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m.

              The park service is processing a permit request for a counter demonstration and rally by the Rev. Al Sharpton on the same day along Independence Avenue, south of the memorial. Line said the Sharpton rally organizers list 3,000 expected attendees on their permit request.

              MMFA's Joe Strupp posted here yesterday that they have a permit too.

              http://mediamatters.org/strupp/201008230036

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              • Author by The_Cat (August 26, 2010 9:46 am ET)
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                Missed that they have a permit for the rally, DellDolly. Thanks for the update!
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          • Author by bilbo_dies (August 25, 2010 7:36 pm ET)
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            A huge misconception is that the 8/28 rally is a political one, and it's not.


            Well, DUH!!

            It is a book promo, religious revival, history rewriting, cash generating event.
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            • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 25, 2010 7:57 pm ET)
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              Well, of course it is! That's what all the MMFA followers have assumed, and since they assume it, it must be true!
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              • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 8:00 pm ET)
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                This from the guy who takes a divisive, hateful demagogue at his word when he insists that his rally isn't going to be political.
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          • Author by phredicles (August 25, 2010 8:14 pm ET)
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            Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I misunderstimated you, D'ohpro. You DO have a sense of humor!
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          • Author by DellDolly (August 26, 2010 12:04 am ET)
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            It's only "not" a political rally because they couldn't get a permit to fundraise if it WERE a political rally.

            And did you know that, as rich as Glenn Beck is, the funds raised for his supposed charity FIRST go to pay for the rally, rather than Beck paying for the rally HE is sponsoring and then ALL the funds raised can go to the supposed charity?
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      • Author by congero6189599 (August 25, 2010 5:11 pm ET)
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        I listen to what MLK himself said:

        I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin...we must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.

        ...A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies. On the one hand, we are called to play the Good Samaritan on life's roadside, but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho Road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring.

        A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa, and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say, "This is not just." It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry of South America and say, "This is not just." The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just.

        A true revolution of values will lay hand on the world order and say of war, "This way of settling differences is not just." This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation's homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.

        Let us not join those who shout war and, through their misguided passions, urge the United States to relinquish its participation in the United Nations. These are days which demand wise restraint and calm reasonableness. We must not engage in a negative anticommunism, but rather in a positive thrust for democracy, realizing that our greatest defense against communism is to take offensive action in behalf of justice. We must with positive action seek to remove those conditions of poverty, insecurity, and injustice, which are the fertile soil in which the seed of communism grows and develops..."

        http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm


        There is more to this speech but the parts I posted of it are more than enough to refute the BS Alveda King is pushing and stands diametrically in contrast to Becks attempt to highjack the legacy of MLK. How telling youi post a relative of Kings as proof. You know nothing of King yourself or what he stood for. Your're a blind follower of Beck a mindless robot posing as a human being .

        This is what Kings son had to say:

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/24/AR2010082405003.html



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        • Author by congero6189599 (August 25, 2010 5:36 pm ET)
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          Oh the speech was titled :
          Martin Luther King, Jr.

          Beyond Vietnam -- A Time to Break Silence

          http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm

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          • Author by CoolSlaw (August 25, 2010 6:14 pm ET)
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            That's a brilliant speech in it's entirety, I think it was Thom Hartman who played the entire speech on his show that I first heard it.

            You can't expect the craven soundbite and bumper sticker right to pay attention to all the details, but here's a line from that speech they should really make a note of, if they are so interested in MLK.

            "True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring."

            So succinct in it's brilliance and impact, yet it is anathema to everything modern conservatism has come to stand for.
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            • Author by Space-Pedestrian (August 25, 2010 7:27 pm ET)
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              "True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring."


              I have to ask how this is anathema to modern conservatism.
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              • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 7:31 pm ET)
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                Conservatism is defined by opposition to the restructuring of edifices.
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              • Author by roundhouse (August 25, 2010 7:50 pm ET)
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                It's pretty easy. Conservatives put their full faith in the market, much like a religious fundamentalist, and they have an unwavering belief in the morality of capitalism. Conservatives hold this belief despite the fact that our current system has been manipulated for the benefit of the rich at the expense of the poor.
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                • Author by Space-Pedestrian (August 25, 2010 8:03 pm ET)
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                  I didn't ask for exaggerated generalizations about conservatism, much less any implication that they think like fundamentalists (we all know what they can do).

                  I was seeking to understand how conservatives today might try to obstruct changes to the 'edifice' of MLK's analogy, to the current system that would lessen begging or other abject poverty.

                  Try again, I even gave you a word to run amok with.
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                  • Author by roundhouse (August 25, 2010 8:24 pm ET)
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                    Alright then, look at the minimum wage laws. Republicans vehemently oppose raising it. Also, Republicans despise, demonize and fight unions. MLK was a major proponent of unions because he understood that collective bargaining is the only measure workers can leverage to maintain a balance of power and attain a fair share of the profits they produce for a company.

                    These are two simple examples of how supply side Republicans lay obstacles for poor people to stumble over as they work to get ahead.

                    I have more but I'm not going to waste my time with a person who refuses to see before they believe.
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                    • Author by Space-Pedestrian (August 25, 2010 8:46 pm ET)
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                      As a union member who has enjoyed the benefits of those who fave fought before me, I concede that they have historically had much value. In MLK's time in particular. Major gains were made that allowed working conditions and compensation to match what was deserved of many workers who without such representation would have been run over by the rich who employed them.

                      Wasting your time yet?

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                      • Author by Space-Pedestrian (August 25, 2010 8:58 pm ET)
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                        But to continue, the time of the union has passed. Then, they amassed power beyond their intended goals and began to drain taxpayers. The balance, in your analogy, has tipped the other way now.

                        While we're at it, the number of jobs, and the wage paid for them represent two sides of another balance, one that left alone is entirely self-regulating.

                        Place artificially high wages for a given job on the employer's side (demand side), and the available jobs on the supply side lessen.

                        While well-intended, the resultant dearth of jobs hurt the very people the minimum wage intends to help.

                        Not quite dropping kittens from a rooftop, but pretty heartless science nonetheless, evil conservatives.
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                        • Author by roundhouse (August 25, 2010 9:18 pm ET)
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                          We agree that power has tipped in favor of capital as opposed to labor and that is exactly why unions needed now more than ever.

                          In the face of this staggering economic inequality we have today, the worker advocacy of unions is imperative for working people.

                          But where the market fundamentalist aspect of your thinking shows itself is in your assertion that the market is an entity unto itself and that it corrects itself. You totally ignore the reality that markets are mere tools that we use to shape our society.

                          The market is a human construct and behaves according how we choose to make it behave. There are powerful interests who have chosen to make the market benefit their interests. Because you know very well that if workers had a hand in shaping business structures that they would not allow CEO's to pretend that they are 500 times more productive than the least paid employee and you know they wouldn't allow CEO's to pay the embarrassingly small proportion of income taxes that they enjoy.

                          Also, you have supply side and demand side backwards. Employers are the supply side, not the other way around.
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                        • Author by roundhouse (August 25, 2010 9:18 pm ET)
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                          We agree that power has tipped in favor of capital as opposed to labor and that is exactly why unions needed now more than ever.

                          In the face of this staggering economic inequality we have today, the worker advocacy of unions is imperative for working people.

                          But where the market fundamentalist aspect of your thinking shows itself is in your assertion that the market is an entity unto itself and that it corrects itself. You totally ignore the reality that markets are mere tools that we use to shape our society.

                          The market is a human construct and behaves according how we choose to make it behave. There are powerful interests who have chosen to make the market benefit their interests. Because you know very well that if workers had a hand in shaping business structures that they would not allow CEO's to pretend that they are 500 times more productive than the least paid employee and you know they wouldn't allow CEO's to pay the embarrassingly small proportion of income taxes that they enjoy.

                          Also, you have supply side and demand side backwards. Employers are the supply side, not the other way around.
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                          • Author by Space-Pedestrian (August 25, 2010 9:45 pm ET)
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                            No, in the example I have it right. Supply and demand depend on the context. Here, jobs are the product in question, and the supply lies with the workers, the demand with the employer. Fail.

                            Further, I am in no way confused that markets exist as an extension of human interaction, wants, and needs. Markets cannot be untethered from meaningful regulation aimed not at redistributing wealth or changing existing social problems, but in leveling the playing field and making players on both sides equal. The risk inherent in all of this means that resultant conditions are not always fair.

                            Lastly, no, I do not agree that unions continue to correct a problem. I believe that they have in time gathered the power to pull the appalling pensions, free benefits, and compensation that far exceed market conditions, however typically 'right' that may seem. I am beginning to question your reading comprehension.

                            But to give you the benefit, I'll chalk it up to assuming I am an ardent capitalist, rather than a moderate.



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                        • Author by roundhouse (August 25, 2010 9:19 pm ET)
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                          Also, do you not consider CEO compensation artificially high?
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                        • Author by pilotx (August 25, 2010 10:20 pm ET)
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                          Maybe YOUR union but the one I belong to advocates for safety issues that help not only us but you and your family everytime you get on an airplane. Go to ALPA's website and see how many advances we are responsible for and how much safer air travel is because of our efforts that continue today. Also we are fighting against outsourcing our jobs. If we don't ban together to fight for our own jobs what good are we? Who other than unions are fighting laws such as the Open Skies agreement being pushed by Republicans? I agree with Roundhouse that unions are needed today more than ever.
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                      • Author by roundhouse (August 25, 2010 9:03 pm ET)
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                        Wasting my time? Not really.

                        I just felt like I had to answer your snarky, "I didn't ask for exaggerated generalizations about conservatism, much less any implication that they think like fundamentalists (we all know what they can do)." and, "Try again, I even gave you a word to run amok with." with a snark of my own.
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                  • Author by roundhouse (August 25, 2010 8:29 pm ET)
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                    It's their market fundamentalism that leads them to believe that government need not interfere with the market, be that wages or laws that better facilitate unionization.
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              • Author by CoolSlaw (August 26, 2010 1:36 am ET)
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                You want to know how that quote is contradictory to modern conservatism?

                First, the modern conservative surface philosophy is rooted in libertarian utopianism. They believe that each and every man can exist as a self sufficient island. They believe that each person should be left completely to their own devices and that the government should exist only as a bare bones structure to provide a justice system for free market arbitration and national defense.

                Some of this is rooted in Calvinistic doctrine, some of it is rooted in supply side mythology. It's an oversimplification which fails to address that private citizens and market forces are not always benevolent, or that they always work to a just or prosperous goal.

                The ideology of conservatism is that anyone who does not become successful within the system does so because of personal or moral failings. At the same time they believe that those with the greatest wealth and assets should be defining the system (think Atlas Shrugged, Milton Friedman).

                The fundamental flaws in this idea are:

                1)The system is defined by those who are already advantaged and connected. Those who have that power to shape the rules and engine of economy may do so in a way that continues to benefit their interests over the interests of the traditionally underprivileged classes, even going so far as exploiting those with little or no socio-economic power. This has been the case many times throughout the history of the world, even so recently as the housing bubble crash and bank bailouts of the last few years.

                2)It insists that those who fail are fully responsible for those failings, even when the rules and systemic injustices are being created and pushed by those accusing them of being lazy, incompetent, inferior, etc.

                Secondly, conservatism by it's very nature is rooted in the concept of "traditionalism". The idea that change is generally negative and progress should be suspect. Therefore the desire to examine the edifice that produces beggars would mean examining the system and structure of our governance to look for solutions that may require a shift in paradigm. Conservatism regards such actions as dangerous liberalism.

                It can be argued that modern conservatism is itself a contradiction; a radical movement that seeks to overturn the progress made in previous generations and return to a time when the wealthy capitalists had no reigns on their influence and ability to impose their will on the whole of society in direct opposition to the libertarian utopians. But that's a whole other topic.
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                • Author by Space-Pedestrian (August 26, 2010 8:31 am ET)
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                  I'd have to argue that modern conservatism 1) doesn't exist in a vacuum, and 2) is more rooted in a textual interpretation of the Constitution than in any libertarian utopia. So, I'd give you that by nature, conservatism is slower to change.

                  The notion that everyone should support themselves as individuals is exaggerated in your explanations. Modern conservatives are working within a context of a much expanded government that has extended itself into many aspects of American life; some for better, but others for worse. Further, the wealthy capitalists that built this nation's physical infrastructure (however on the back of low paid workers) are long since dead and buried. Unionized workers have more than caught up for past inequities and now enjoy perks that outmatch anything in the private sector for equivalent skill sets.

                  Today, the edifice needing change may well be the endless entitlements that we pay into, the tax code, and our educational system. Bill Clinton championed welfare reform. Barack Obama acknowledged that 'plantation politics' have kept too many people down. Though liberals are normally hesitant to change or cut back, for fear of losing votes, conservatives have been the ones stating the unpopular position that the government's size, scope, and spending exceed what is sustainable, and must be changed. To you, that would be overturning 'progress' - if progress in measured by expanded government intervention to right every perceived wrong.

                  There is plenty of oversight, regulation, and law in place. Conservatives would not scrap all of that. Rather, they work within the current structure and push for incremental changes that would seek the balance between individual responsibility and liberty, and the role of government in ensuring a level playing field. Your tendency to paint either side in extremes fails to reconcile with the current state of affairs.
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                  • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 12:09 pm ET)
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                    The wealthy capitalist that made their profits on the backs of slaves and low paid workers may be dead and gone but the system they established is alive and well.

                    You talk about unionized workers as if they represent a majority of the workforce. Do you know the % of unionized workers in this country? It is very small and shrinking as conservatives both Democractic and Republican push to rob workers of protection and into defensless positions so that they work for any wage offered.

                    Endless entitlements? I beg to differ that it's our payments to entitlements as you call them but our tax cuts to the rich unpaid for and our endless wars one totally unnecessary and our bloated military budget along with the shifting of the tax code to funnel more and more money to the top 2% and the subsidies of business by local,state and federal government in the form of tax-breaks and other perks that have bloated our government. Daivid Cay Johnston says it better than I . I hope you and others take the time to listen to his this interview.

                    David Cay Johnston on How the Rich Get Richer

                    text size A A A January 3, 2008
                    Investigative reporter David Cay Johnston explores in his new book how in recent years, government subsidies and new regulations have quietly funneled money from the poor and the middle class to the rich and politically connected.

                    Cay Johnston covers tax policy for The New York Times, where he won a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting on that beat. His previous book, Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich — and Cheat Everybody Else, was a best seller.

                    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17808622

                    You talk of current state of affairs in the light of recent gulf coast oil spill and the recent mine disaster(probably forgot about that one)in W. Virginia where 28 miners died conservatives both democractic and Republican fought against increased regulations and oversight essentially trying to gut the agencies that were supposed to be protecting the workers from the abuses of big business. The FDA doesn't even have the power to force food recalls they are voluntary.




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          • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 6:47 pm ET)
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            Someone should pretend that's a speech Obama made, and watch the right foam about how those are the words of a filthy, America-hating communist.
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        • Author by Space-Pedestrian (August 25, 2010 7:10 pm ET)
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          It's a shame no one today can articulate so thoughtfully and fully. Is it the reduced command we have of language? Is it the soundbite culture? Perhaps ideologies trumping intellect? Hard to say, but words like those are not to be heard from any modern leader I can think of.
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          • Author by CoolSlaw (August 26, 2010 1:44 am ET)
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            If someone did speak like that today, the corporate media and Fox news would be whining about nuance and calling those speeches "boring".

            Then they would have Ann Coulter and Bill o'Reilly come on the air to mock the speaker and call them names like "elitist pinhead".
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      • Author by New Frontier (August 25, 2010 5:13 pm ET)
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        Suppose you point out what is false in MMFA's "rant" above. Or do you just like to whine about bias?
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        • Author by New Frontier (August 25, 2010 6:09 pm ET)
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          (((crickets)))
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        • Author by jms (August 25, 2010 6:24 pm ET)
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          It is not what is false, it is what is left out. It is a one-sided presentation. Typical MMFA drivel.
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          • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 6:36 pm ET)
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            Then tell us what's left out. And "Alveda King hates f@gs" doesn't count.
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          • Author by DellDolly (August 26, 2010 12:17 am ET)
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            You can't understand that lying by leaving something out is a falsehood too?

            Really?
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          • Author by CatsRBigLuv (August 27, 2010 5:20 pm ET)
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            You know what else is left out? Bayard Rustin.

            Do your brain a favor and look him up. Google it if the Public Library is too communist for ya!

            While your beloved master Glenn rages against all things progressive, he seeks to co-opt the work of a very good soul who was not only a brave (progressive) man of color fighting against an unjust system, but an openly gay man who never shied from that truth.

            Sadly, because Americas prejudice about race was only exceeded by its prejudice against gays, Bayard had to remain hidden in the American Civil Rights movement, despite the fact that he really was (by all accounts, even by Kings) the actual brain behind it.

            While Becks predecessors tried to fault the Civil Rights leadership for everything they could, Rustin (as an openly gay man, and as someone arrested for being in a gay bar) was forced to work behind the scenes.
            Nevertheless, he is credited, even by those who hated gays, for mobilizing Civil Rights under the rubric of nonviolence. He himself organized the march on Washington. He also learned the method of non-violent non-cooperation from his work with Gandhis Satyagraha in India.

            Yes, a proud gay man did that, using the inspiration he found from foreigners who followed different religions (including Islam.)

            So, since Glenn makes such a point to incite hostility against people of different faiths, monogamous gay couples (or gays of any sort), foreigners, progressives, and even against regular people from India (remember?), he seeks to steal the value of the work of a person who embodied, or relied on all of those cultural facets.

            What a disgrace of a human being Glenn is! His pathetic state is only matched by those daft and unfortunate enough to come under his spell.

            Glenn always lies about history, and teaches his following to do the same. So of course, i dont expect you or any of your fellow fanatics to digest these truths... but have the decency to check your facts, give credit where it is due, and have your master do the same.

            If you want to co-opt the march on Washington, then admit you are being influenced by a (very handsome) gay man from black America who was mentored by Indians and was a self-described progressive.

            The truth of Civil rights, the epiphany, is that we are all related, we all share the same humanity. That is what Rustin embodied.
            Glenns hyterical drive to wipe progressives out of America, his habit of flying into viuolent irrational outbursts, and his history of race-bating, homophobia, and scathing insults against foreigners (or anyone who disagrees with him) goes directly against the real spirit of Civil Rights.


            Watch Brother Outsider... or better yet, have master Glenn watch it for you.

            And please be mindful that, while Glenn feeds the fire of your own contrived fears and your own personal prejudices, as the very modern picture of cognitive dissonance, as well as a thieving minister of hate, he can never, and will never, sully the spirit of real Civil Rights with his dishonest and delusional filth.
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          • Author by CatsRBigLuv (August 27, 2010 5:20 pm ET)
               
            You know what else is left out? Bayard Rustin.

            Do your brain a favor and look him up. Google it if the Public Library is too communist for ya!

            While your beloved master Glenn rages against all things progressive, he seeks to co-opt the work of a very good soul who was not only a brave (progressive) man of color fighting against an unjust system, but an openly gay man who never shied from that truth.

            Sadly, because Americas prejudice about race was only exceeded by its prejudice against gays, Bayard had to remain hidden in the American Civil Rights movement, despite the fact that he really was (by all accounts, even by Kings) the actual brain behind it.

            While Becks predecessors tried to fault the Civil Rights leadership for everything they could, Rustin (as an openly gay man, and as someone arrested for being in a gay bar) was forced to work behind the scenes.
            Nevertheless, he is credited, even by those who hated gays, for mobilizing Civil Rights under the rubric of nonviolence. He himself organized the march on Washington. He also learned the method of non-violent non-cooperation from his work with Gandhis Satyagraha in India.

            Yes, a proud gay man did that, using the inspiration he found from foreigners who followed different religions (including Islam.)

            So, since Glenn makes such a point to incite hostility against people of different faiths, monogamous gay couples (or gays of any sort), foreigners, progressives, and even against regular people from India (remember?), he seeks to steal the value of the work of a person who embodied, or relied on all of those cultural facets.

            What a disgrace of a human being Glenn is! His pathetic state is only matched by those daft and unfortunate enough to come under his spell.

            Glenn always lies about history, and teaches his following to do the same. So of course, i dont expect you or any of your fellow fanatics to digest these truths... but have the decency to check your facts, give credit where it is due, and have your master do the same.

            If you want to co-opt the march on Washington, then admit you are being influenced by a (very handsome) gay man from black America who was mentored by Indians and was a self-described progressive.

            The truth of Civil rights, the epiphany, is that we are all related, we all share the same humanity. That is what Rustin embodied.
            Glenns hyterical drive to wipe progressives out of America, his habit of flying into viuolent irrational outbursts, and his history of race-bating, homophobia, and scathing insults against foreigners (or anyone who disagrees with him) goes directly against the real spirit of Civil Rights.


            Watch Brother Outsider... or better yet, have master Glenn watch it for you.

            And please be mindful that, while Glenn feeds the fire of your own contrived fears and your own personal prejudices, as the very modern picture of cognitive dissonance, as well as a thieving minister of hate, he can never, and will never, sully the spirit of real Civil Rights with his dishonest and delusional filth.
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      • Author by roundhouse (August 25, 2010 6:24 pm ET)
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        And then, JMS, we have Martin Luther KingIII today.

        "My father championed free speech. He would be the first to say that those participating in Beck's rally have the right to express their views. But his dream rejected hateful rhetoric and all forms of bigotry or discrimination, whether directed at race, faith, nationality, sexual orientation or political beliefs. He envisioned a world where all people would recognize one another as sisters and brothers in the human family. Throughout his life he advocated compassion for the poor, nonviolence, respect for the dignity of all people and peace for humanity."
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        • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 25, 2010 6:34 pm ET)
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          Nice to see that MLK III also supports Beck's rally.
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          • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 6:41 pm ET)
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            He supports his RIGHT to have it. He still points out that the fat, drunken moron has no idea what King believed.
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            • Author by jms (August 25, 2010 6:48 pm ET)
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              ah the kind compassionate progressives have arrived...
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              • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 6:50 pm ET)
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                Yeah, I guess I just can't manage to be as kind and compassionate as a man who makes fun of children with asthma and women who have miscarried.
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                • Author by roundhouse (August 25, 2010 7:01 pm ET)
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                  Well said, soze.
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                • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 25, 2010 7:59 pm ET)
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                  I don't know, I have seen you say some pretty nasty things in here.
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                  • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 8:01 pm ET)
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                    Oh, okay. I didn't realize I had a TV show and a radio show. But by all means, show me what I've said that compares to mocking a woman for having a miscarriage, making fun of a little girl simply because you hate her father, and saying you hate the victims of Katrina and 9/11.
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                    • Author by Johaely (August 25, 2010 8:17 pm ET)
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                      Seriosuly what is it with conservatives and compassions? Do they think that means that you should just smile while somebody insults you?
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                      • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 8:19 pm ET)
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                        Yep. It also means that if you're opposed to homophobia and racism but say mean things to trolls on anonymous message boards, you're a hypocrite somehow.
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                      • Author by CoolSlaw (August 26, 2010 1:51 am ET)
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                        Compassion is defined to conservative the same way as "judicial activism".

                        It's one of those nice little areas where it's only wrong when "the other team" does it.



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              • Author by Ro (August 25, 2010 8:31 pm ET)
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                No, actually, progressives are not kind to ignorant bigots. Being tolerant doesn't mean tolerating intolerance.
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          • Author by roundhouse (August 25, 2010 7:00 pm ET)
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            Not really dp. The part where MLKIII accurately points out his father rejecting hateful rhetoric precludes Beck from sharing MLK's dream.

            And if you don't think it's hateful for Beck to demonize progressives or promote fear that the churches are being over-run by progressives or rail against social justice, then you really have missed the meaning of hateful rhetoric.

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          • Author by roundhouse (August 25, 2010 7:02 pm ET)
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            And don't try to tell me that Beck doesn't discriminate against progressive political beliefs.
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            • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 11:29 am ET)
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              Similar to the way you "discriminate" against his beliefs? Nothing wrong with either one discriminating against the other. A political group is not a protected group, you are a part of that group by choice.
              So, who's right? Kind of a silly argument, isn't it?
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              • Author by pilotx (August 26, 2010 5:05 pm ET)
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                How is disagreeing discriminating? He has a major tv show and talk radio show so if we here at MMFA can hurt him please show me how. You're right it is a silly argument to say liberals are an intolerant group.
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          • Author by Ro (August 25, 2010 8:36 pm ET)
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            Not what he said. That wasn't an endorsement. Liar.

            The audacity it takes to lie, and assert the exact opposite about something that was just spoken, is truly remarkable. I see this trait of a sociopath from your ilk all the time.
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      • Author by The_Cat (August 25, 2010 7:32 pm ET)
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        So, you are unconvinced by direct quotes from both Beck and King, and would rather defer to the opinions of someone who, through accident of birth, happens to share King's last name. Have I got that about right?

        You are welcome to your own beliefs and opinions, jms, but NOT your own facts. Beck and King are ideologically opposed on almost every salient point. This is partly due to the fact that King was an educated man, and Beck is not. Of course, it is also due to the fact that Beck is only in it for the money. See the interview in Forbes magazine, where he admits this, along with laughing at anyone who takes him seriously.
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      • Author by Ro (August 25, 2010 8:27 pm ET)
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        Alveda is to the Kings what Latoya is the to Jacksons.
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        • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 11:51 am ET)
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          Why, because she doesn't fit the "King" stereotype that the left has created?
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          • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 1:14 pm ET)
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            No because we have MLK's words and his sons to refute her.
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          • Author by pilotx (August 26, 2010 5:10 pm ET)
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            But she does fit the stereotype the right has created and given the fact it was the right that attacked him while he was alive it seems downright hypocritical. The right demonizes and attacks unions while Dr. King was killed while planning to attend a union march. The right demonizes and attacks Communists and gays while some of his most trusted advisors were both Communist and gay. Beck attacks the Black liberation theology while Dr. King studied and preached the same. Dr. King opposed military force while the right is downright militaristic. Dr. King never mentioned abortion while his neice constantly talks about it. You tell me where she fits in the King family.
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          • Author by Ro (August 26, 2010 10:24 pm ET)
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            Stereotype? *rolls eyes*

            (click for video)
            [http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/N6TDTq1p6SQ/default.jpg]

            Now, one of two things is going to happen now: 1) you're going to ignore the video and repeat the same things you've being saying, or 2) you're going to watch the video and claim he meant the exact opposite of what he said.

            Waiting...
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      • Author by pilotx (August 25, 2010 10:14 pm ET)
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        His son will be at the Urban League rally not at Beck's. Ask him what his father would do noy his opportunist neice. He would not be on Fox News for sure as she regularly is.
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      • Author by internet soldier (August 26, 2010 9:12 am ET)
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        I'm sure King would have been right behind the guy who said this:

        Otherwise, it's going to be like that movie, The Siege. You remember that movie? The Muslims will see the West through razor wire if things don't change.


        But I guess it doesn't matter, because one of MLK's relatives is attending the event, and that trumps everything.
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    • Author by jms (August 25, 2010 4:59 pm ET)
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      I am sure that MLK would have loved and admired the seemingly permanent ghettoization of blacks for cheap political gains that has been the so-called progressive policy of the last 100 years.
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      • Author by New Frontier (August 25, 2010 5:12 pm ET)
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        ...if that is in fact what had really happened and not just more of Glenn Beck's made-up sh!t-history.
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        • Author by The New Pilgrims (August 25, 2010 5:19 pm ET)
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          This jms sure has us progressives busted though. We obviously hate blacks, that's why we pushed for civil rights legislation that sowed the seeds for Nixon's Southern Strategy.
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          • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 6:16 pm ET)
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            Also fun: troll apparently believes MLK has been dead for 100 years.
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            • Author by jms (August 25, 2010 6:20 pm ET)
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              No, moron, MLK was fighting against the racist ghosts of the progressive past like Wilson and FDR as well as the racists like LBJ who blocked the passage of the Civil Rights Act.
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              • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 6:39 pm ET)
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                Okay,
                a) what the hell is with this hate-crush you weirdos have on Wilson? You couldn't come up with a less relevant figure if you tried.
                b) Are you familiar with the Southern Strategy, troll? I'm guessing no.
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                • Author by jms (August 25, 2010 7:03 pm ET)
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                  a) less relevant? this progressive instituted the income tax, the Fed, re-institutionalized racism. I could go on for days. he is very relevant.

                  b) Yes, but it is a nonsensical theory. The Voting Rights Act is what changed the dynamics in southern politics.
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                  • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 7:06 pm ET)
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                    re-institutionalized racism.

                    Are you saying that there's institutional racism against blacks today? Why are you playing Teh Race Card? Why do you hate white people and white culture?
                    And the Southern Strategy was IN RESPONSE TO THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, YOU F--KING MORON.
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                    • Author by bilbo_dies (August 25, 2010 7:44 pm ET)
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                      And the Southern Strategy was IN RESPONSE TO THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, YOU F--KING MORON.


                      Now, now, be nice.
                      First jms would have to read history before he could understand it.
                      Second, technicaly I think he would be classified as a "moran".

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                    • Author by DellDolly (August 26, 2010 12:21 am ET)
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                      Beck went off on a rant yesterday saying that Wilson was really into segregation during his term.

                      Like that's a strange thing back in the 1920's!!!
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                • Author by New Frontier (August 26, 2010 8:11 am ET)
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                  what the hell is with this hate-crush you weirdos have on Wilson?
                  He's a typical Beck Parrot. Glenn Beck said "Wilson: Bad" and that's all he needed. jms never gave Woodrow Wilson two seconds thought until his idol brought him up. Can't think for himself; he gets his marching orders from Beck, every day.
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              • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 6:52 pm ET)
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                Also, you remember how vehemently Glenn Beck supported the war in Iraq, right?
                ...right?
                Troll?
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                • Author by jms (August 25, 2010 7:05 pm ET)
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                  I did too. My mistake, and I won't make it again. Most of us wise up as we get older.
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                  • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 7:07 pm ET)
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                    My mistake, and I won't make it again.

                    Until the next Republican president.
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                  • Author by New Frontier (August 26, 2010 8:16 am ET)
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                    Most of us wise up as we get older.
                    What happened to you then?
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                  • Author by Ro (August 26, 2010 10:45 pm ET)
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                    "I did too. My mistake."

                    Not a mistake, just a demonstration of your poor judgment, and the perfect illustration of how easy it is for you to believe a falsehood (in the face of all evidence to the contrary) when your ideology depends on believing it.

                    Such as your contention that "LBJ blocked the passage of the Civil Rights Act."

                    [http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f236/jamminjer25/mlk-lbj-civil-rights-act.jpg]

                    That's LBJ shaking the hand of Martin Luther King after he had just SIGNED the Civil Rights Act; a piece of legislation that he himself had to personally pressure conservatives in Congress into signing.

                    The fact that you believe otherwise, and that you believed every lie told by the Bush administration as regards to the need to start a war in Iraq (again, in the face of all evidence to the contrary) says everything I need to know.

                    You admit the things conservatives were saying about Iraq were wrong. Now, come a little further out from your delusional state and try admitting the things conservatives are saying about MLK are wrong as well.

                    Can you do that?
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                  • Author by Ro (August 26, 2010 10:45 pm ET)
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                    "I did too. My mistake."

                    Not a mistake, just a demonstration of your poor judgment, and the perfect illustration of how easy it is for you to believe a falsehood (in the face of all evidence to the contrary) when your ideology depends on believing it.

                    Such as your contention that "LBJ blocked the passage of the Civil Rights Act."

                    [http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f236/jamminjer25/mlk-lbj-civil-rights-act.jpg]

                    That's LBJ shaking the hand of Martin Luther King after he had just SIGNED the Civil Rights Act; a piece of legislation that he himself had to personally pressure conservatives in Congress into signing.

                    The fact that you believe otherwise, and that you believed every lie told by the Bush administration as regards to the need to start a war in Iraq (again, in the face of all evidence to the contrary) says everything I need to know.

                    You admit the things conservatives were saying about Iraq were wrong. Now, come a little further out from your delusional state and try admitting the things conservatives are saying about MLK are wrong as well.

                    Can you do that?
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                  • Author by Ro (August 26, 2010 10:44 pm ET)
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                    "I did too. My mistake."

                    Not a mistake, just a demonstration of your poor judgment, and the perfect illustration of how easy it is for you to believe a falsehood (in the face of all evidence to the contrary) when your ideology depends on believing it.

                    Such as your contention that "LBJ blocked the passage of the Civil Rights Act."

                    [http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f236/jamminjer25/mlk-lbj-civil-rights-act.jpg]

                    That's LBJ shaking the hand of Martin Luther King after he had just SIGNED the Civil Rights Act; a piece of legislation that he himself had to personally pressure conservatives in Congress into signing.

                    The fact that you believe otherwise, and that you believed every lie told by the Bush administration as regards to the need to start a war in Iraq (again, in the face of all evidence to the contrary) says everything I need to know.

                    You admit the things conservatives were saying about Iraq were wrong. Now, come a little further out from your delusional state and try admitting the things conservatives are saying about MLK are wrong as well.

                    Can you do that?
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              • Author by Unreality (August 25, 2010 8:57 pm ET)
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                LBJ blocked passage of Civil Rights Act? Don't you mean the Community Reinvestment Act?


                </sarcasm>
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              • Author by New Frontier (August 26, 2010 8:00 am ET)
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                You didn't give two sh!ts about Wilson until Beck brought him up, parrot. Squawk squawk! Have a cracker.
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                • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 12:00 pm ET)
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                  Why does it matter if Beck has shared some facts regarding Wilson to his listeners? If you bothered to listen, or "learn", you would understand the significance the Wilson policies have to the present. What is the obsession that the left has to just forgetting about the past?

                  Call that another failure on the part of the public school system.
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                  • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 1:18 pm ET)
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                    No you are a perfect example of a failure of our educational system. You don't know WTF you are talking about and all you do is regurgitate Beck and Faux masquerading like it has something to do with rational thought. You are a mindless robot. You haven't gotten a fact right since you've started posting here.
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                  • Author by pilotx (August 26, 2010 5:23 pm ET)
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                    No, the past matters alot. When Beck rewrites history to suit his ideology no one benefits from that. A real structured history course or a good text written by an expert is better than a partisan media goof who doesn't understand history himself. If I want advice about law I don't go to a doctor. When I want to study history I don't listen to a dumb Fox news tv show host, I prefer to do my own homework.
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              • Author by pilotx (August 26, 2010 5:26 pm ET)
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                You do know LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act right? Dr. King was there when he did it. Dr. King actually supported the candicy of LBJ. Please stop depending on Glenn Beck for your historical knowledge.
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              • Author by pilotx (August 26, 2010 5:29 pm ET)
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                You mean THIS Dr. King and THAT LBJ?
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          • Author by jms (August 25, 2010 6:18 pm ET)
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            Uh, no, that was why LBJ blocked passage while the R's were in power...
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            • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 6:43 pm ET)
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              And? LBJ wasn't a progressive. He started a long, imperialistic war that got millions of people killed. You know, like your boy Dubya.
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              • Author by jms (August 25, 2010 6:51 pm ET)
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                Starting wars is a hallmark of progressives. LBJ wasn't a progressive? LMFAO. Can you say medicaid? medicare? Dubya was a progressive too. His prescription plan, his wars, his patriot act, his amnesty plan. I don't even think you know what progressivism is.
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                • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 6:51 pm ET)
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                  It's everything you personally hate, right?
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                  • Author by jms (August 25, 2010 7:10 pm ET)
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                    No, it reflects the aspirations of arrogant, power hungry elitists who believe they have the perfect prescription for a utopian society, rather than a good faith effort to strictly adhere to the Constitution and our founding principles.
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                    • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 7:11 pm ET)
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                      Wow, you pretty much typed "Yes, it's everything I personally hate". Well done.
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                      • Author by jms (August 25, 2010 7:18 pm ET)
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                        wow, you pretty much never say anything of substance, do you?
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                        • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 7:29 pm ET)
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                          As opposed to all the specifics you get into with your definition of "progressivism", ignoring the fact that ALL representative government is by definition a bunch of elites who believe they know how to run a society.
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                          • Author by CoolSlaw (August 26, 2010 1:59 am ET)
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                            ignoring the fact that ALL representative government is by definition a bunch of elites who believe they know how to run a society.


                            So you support monarchy? You want a king ruling through birthright then?

                            No no...you want a banana republic, where the people are ruled by force, terror, and fear?

                            Ah! No you're a communist, where the people are ruled by a faceless bureaucracy!

                            Well shucks, guess we stupid progressives want to live in a representative government instead of the alternatives of monarchy, totalitarianism, or communism.
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                    • Author by bintx (August 25, 2010 7:21 pm ET)
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                      JMS, I'm assuming that you are talking about Beck when you say "strictly adhere to the Constitution and our founding principles." Beck is a LIAR. His buddy, David Barton, is a LIAR. Both have been proven to be LIARS. Beck is an uneducated shock jock and Barton has a degree in religious education from Oral Roberts University. NEITHER of these two jackasses are the history scholars they pretend to be.

                      You're being HAD. Beck's not a conservative, he's a self-admitted con-man and you're being conned . . . WILLINGLY. Get some respect for yourself.
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                    • Author by The_Cat (August 25, 2010 7:38 pm ET)
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                      And, just what do you believe those aspirations to be, jms? More to the point, do you have any actual evidence, or is everything based on Faux Con propaganda?
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                      • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 7:42 pm ET)
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                        Let him quit while he's ahead. That "I openly admit I supported the war in Iraq, but now that it's unpopular George Bush is a filthy progressive" thing is hilarious.
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                    • Author by New Frontier (August 26, 2010 8:08 am ET)
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                      (I)t reflects the aspirations of arrogant, power hungry elitists who believe they have the perfect prescription for a utopian society
                      But enough about Glenn Beck's "The Plan", and Glenn Beck's "9-12 Project".
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                • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 6:56 pm ET)
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                  And by the way, are you saying every anti-war protester is a conservative? Because I seem to remember you people spending most of the Bush administration talking about how they were traitors who hated America. Hell, Glenn still does.
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                  • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 12:37 pm ET)
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                    Not traitors, they were disgusting pigs who spat on soldiers and called them, "killer".
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 1:24 pm ET)
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                      If this is true then by your and jms definitions they couldn't be progressives since they were against the war. I like seeing you robots twist yourself into circles
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                    • Author by soze169880 (August 26, 2010 6:42 pm ET)
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                      That's an urban legend.
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                • Author by The_Cat (August 25, 2010 7:36 pm ET)
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                  Starting wars is a hallmark of progressives.


                  Um, no. Invading and bombing small countries full of brown people has been an almost exclusively Republican past-time since WW2.

                  George W. Bush was not a progressive. His prescription plan was a huge Christmas gift to Big Pharma, not the American people. The Patriot Act was fascism dreamed up by PNAC in the depths of Faux Con think tanks.

                  It is you who does not know what progressivism is, jms.
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                • Author by internet soldier (August 26, 2010 9:51 am ET)
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                  Dubya was a progressive too.
                  Dubya gave you everything you wanted. He cut taxes for the rich, he gutted regulatory agencies and put the industries they were supposed to be regulating in charge, he cut capitol gains taxes to the bone, he pursued an aggressive foreign policy, he suppressed global warming science, tried to privatize social security and tried to outsource government programs to faith-based organizations.

                  It's like you think all you need to do is label Bush a progressive and you've erased from reality the failure of conservatism, and the fact that you were genuflecting at his picture the first six years of his presidency while us progressives had already realized what a disaster he was. Bush was the ultimate expiriment in Limbaugh style conservatism, and he failed, colossally. I have a perfect quote for you:

                  "We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, is possible to carry this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield"-George Orwell.
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                  • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 1:10 pm ET)
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                    so, according to you, the fact that one of Bush era plans that were a benefit to "the rich" (and we know that you include small business owners in that category), which allowed an employer to expand his business to the point where he could double the number of employees he had, and increase the pay of his current workers was a bad thing?

                    Or maybe you prefer the fact that that same employer had to close down part of his business, lay off more than half of his employees and put in nearly 70 hours a week himself thanks to an increase in minimum wage, a promise from the prez of increased taxes and regulation, and drastic changes to health insurance?

                    Which do you prefer? Remember, though, that a vote against the businessman is also a vote against his employees.
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                    • Author by internet soldier (August 26, 2010 1:26 pm ET)
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                      Doughie, why did the biggest recession since the depression happen while taxes were abnormally low for the rich, especially capitol gains taxes? Why wasn't the economy, which should have been boosted by the low tax rates on the rich, able to resist its current problems?

                      And your argument that low taxes on employers helps employees makes no sense logically, as taxes are taken from the profits of his business, not the business itself, and it has not been demonstrated by the evidence.
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                      • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 6:21 pm ET)
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                        And your argument that low taxes on employers helps employees makes no sense logically, as taxes are taken from the profits of his business, not the business itself, and it has not been demonstrated by the evidence.

                        WTF are you talking about? Do you know anything about running a business?

                        When did the "biggest recession since the depression" occur?
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 1:32 pm ET)
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                      Please your stupid is deafenening. The Bush era saw the slowest growth and job creation of any president since the depression and his economic policies are the reason we are in the slump we are now experiencing.

                      We know how conservatives would like to have a workforce so destitute and starving that it would work for almost nothing but to be against regulation of business in light of the Gulf disaster,the W. Virginia mining disaster and the massive egg recall is further proof of the insanity of your ideas.
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                      • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 6:28 pm ET)
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                        Oh, yes. The egg recall. Panic in the streets, people with diahrrea, a reason to increase regulation! Doesn't fall under the "sh** will still happen no matter how much you regulate" category, right?

                        "A workforce so destitute"? Why would you believe that? Do you think that successful business owners don't realize that a happy workforce is a company's biggest asset, and one who doesn't believe that will not be successful for long?

                        You are such a lemming.
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                        • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 7:01 pm ET)
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                          The only thing that is consistent about you doughpoo is your ignorance. Workers wages and standard of living has been falling for more than a decade while Wall St. profits have soared through the roof.
                          Yes a happy work force would seem to be a company asset but on almost every level workers are seeing nothing but cutbacks in wages and benefits and less job security. Working longer hours,with less benfits. It seems profits are more important than a happy workforce and a hungry and unprotected work force enables them to treat workers as expendable. Try and stick to reality as opposed to your make believe world you might then be able to pass for having a functioning brain.
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                          • Author by internet soldier (August 26, 2010 7:26 pm ET)
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                            I will say this for doughie; for perhaps the first time, he wasn't the dumbest commenter on this thread. That would go to jms, who seems to think we're all a bunch of idiots because we won't obey his demand that we accept his self-delusion that Bush was a progressive. A close second would be faillibrul, who did she does best; get owned. That would make doughie only the third dumbest commenter on this thread. I never would have thought that was possible.
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                            • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 8:04 pm ET)
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                              Doughpoo also thinks salmonella poisoning is a hoax. Which is why the company is pulling them(remember the FDA has no power to force a recall)afraid of a lawsuit from someone who might get sick.
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                        • Author by CatsRBigLuv (August 27, 2010 7:45 pm ET)
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                          Do you think that successful business owners don't realize that a happy workforce is a company's biggest asset, and one who doesn't believe that will not be successful for long?


                          Oh yeah, like Nike, or Union Carbide, or United Fruit (Chiquita), or Wall Mart, or Haliburton,...

                          Hell, according to Jamie Leigh Jones, KBR really knows how to throw one screamer of an office party. So much so that the same liars that defunded ACORN offered more contracts to KBR. They must really know how to treat their workforce.

                          BP put not only its workers in jeopardy, but entire eco-systems as well, while a certain very insidious political demographic offered them sincere apologies for a supposed shake-down, once they were held accountable.

                          Ever been to the places where your coffee and sugar are grown? You should see it for yourself.

                          How about water bottling industries? Care to take a look?

                          Take a look at the whole story.

                          And before you get so cocky, let me introduce a word that has everything to do with what you wear, use, watch etc... while you may know nothing about its meaning-- maquiladora.

                          You really should explore where your food and cloths come from, before making so daft and naive a statement as you have. Your fevered pontifications do nothing but express how little you know of the world in which you live, oir the resources you tap.

                          Sorry to say that, but like a true republican (you know, the kind that hasnt been seen in over 50 years), you should own your mistakes and take responsibility for your lack of awareness.

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            • Author by New Frontier (August 26, 2010 8:03 am ET)
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              More of Beck's U.S. Sh!tstory.
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          • Author by internet soldier (August 26, 2010 9:17 am ET)
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            Amazing how easily these wingnuts the evidence right before their eyes.

            "Yeah, Mlk's views were pretty much the opposite of Glenn Beck's, but look, one of MLK's relatives is attending Beck's rally. Ha, nailed ya!!".
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      • Author by congero6189599 (August 25, 2010 5:15 pm ET)
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        WTF are you talking about. 100 yrs. are you drunk. Do you actually have anything to back up your claims? Like for instance something MLK said? Do you even know when MLK walked this earth? I see why you are attracted to Beck your're just a stupid MF'er.
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      • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 25, 2010 6:27 pm ET)
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        No kidding. Look at how far we have come in 40 years of a movement run by Sharpton and friends, and supposed "support" of the liberal left. According to them, not much has changed. Could it be that they are doing something wrong?

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        • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 6:44 pm ET)
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          Yep. The only reason for 300 years of slavery, degradation and disenfranchisement not to have been completely erased in forty years is because of Al Sharpton. How did you get so smart, anyway?
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          • Author by CoolSlaw (August 26, 2010 2:07 am ET)
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            Great post Soze, and I'm going to take the snark a step further if I may!

            Yeah, funny how they look at Al Sharpton as the voice of every black person in America, isn't it?

            Not only that, but they constantly oppose and mock every word that comes out of his mouth. So by their own standards, if they just gave Al "speaks for every living black person" Sharpton some room to work, he could solve every problem for all minorities already, even using magic powers to negate the hate and racism that exists in the minds of white people.
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            • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 1:12 pm ET)
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              Yeah, funny how they look at Al Sharpton as the voice of every black person in America, isn't it?

              No, Sharpton thinks that he's the voice of every black person in America.
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        • Author by bintx (August 25, 2010 7:18 pm ET)
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          You don't know "liberal left" from squat, doughie. Did you ever read the book? Your picture is in the margins . . . you won't see it, but it's there. You're no conservative, doughie, just a authoritarian follower parroting whatever your heroes on Fox/hate talk radio tell you to say.

          When people ask you to post evidence to back up your talking points, you just post more.

          Groupie, that's all you are.
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          • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 25, 2010 7:33 pm ET)
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            Parrot. It's always the same thing from you. Cut and paste works well for you, doesn't it?
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            • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 7:34 pm ET)
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              As opposed to doughboy, who comes up with posts so stupid he can't possibly have taken them from anyone else.
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              • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 25, 2010 8:02 pm ET)
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                Yes, I disagree with you, so I must be stupid. Isn't that how it works? I think you have mastered the "ridicule the enemy" part of your homework.
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                • Author by soze169880 (August 25, 2010 8:04 pm ET)
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                  I think you have mastered the "ridicule the enemy" part of your homework.

                  That's not something that really needs to be "mastered", Mr. Miyagi. You are aware that this is the internet, yes?
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                • Author by New Frontier (August 26, 2010 8:06 am ET)
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                  Obviously you don't absorb what you read very well. What's the matter, can't handle the truth?

                  Sound familiar, troll?
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    • Author by grrson (August 25, 2010 5:16 pm ET)
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      Compare this to Glenn Beck's tearful and phony religious posturing on Fox News.

      MLK was, in my opinion, a true prophet of whichever God watches over all of humanity.

      Glenn Beck is a parasite who only wants to fatten his wallet.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (August 25, 2010 5:33 pm ET)
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        Beck can only get away with his lies and distortions because of the ignorance of his listeners, this is compounded by their lack of intellectual curiosity,and their need to be told what and how to think. One of his listeners posted that she would trust Beck with her life. I don't know about you but I don't trust anyone unconditionally with my life but ME. It does though give you an insight into the minds of his supporters.
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        • Author by CoolSlaw (August 25, 2010 6:29 pm ET)
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          Glen Beck is trying to create a holy right wing shield against white guilt. You can hate Obama or anyone for being black, as long as you say you like MLK, but only the oversimplified idea of MLK as interpreted by modern race-baiters and political hacks.

          So as long as they can have MLK interpreted through a con man like Beck, they can feel good about truly believing minority ethnic groups are to blame for all of society's problems. Their own willful ignorance is neatly swept under the carpet and we can go on arguing about "ground zero" Mosques and secret Kenyan birth certificates instead of addressing real problems that might make the wealthy elite uncomfortable.

          See, MLK made the wealthy elite uncomfortable with brilliant dissertations and charismatic leadership. He fought for and achieved much with a movement rooted in the ideas of social justice. Pretty much everything Glenn Beck is paid handsomely to distract us from.
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          • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 25, 2010 7:49 pm ET)
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            You obviously underestimate the influence of MLK Jr. He was more powerful than you give him credit for.
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            • Author by CoolSlaw (August 26, 2010 2:12 am ET)
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              How so?

              I'm asking seriously, because I'm not really sure what your point is, but it is completely possible I don't give the man enough credit. Rarely do such people come along and inspire, sacrifice, and work for so much good.
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              • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 1:22 pm ET)
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                You have made generalizations, insinuating that one can only admire him or know him via "race-baiters and political hacks", or as "interpreted through a con man...". How often do you hear political hacks mention MLK Jr? If you find some, let me know, I am interested in what they have to say.

                I do not understand what "wealthy elite" you are talking about, and I do not believe that King believed in "social justice" as described by libs/progs.

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                • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 1:44 pm ET)
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                  Having fun today I see playing on your keyboard. You can believe what you like it's a free country but facts are stubborn things when will you provide some. Theres more than enough proof that MLK believed in "social justice" exactly the way that liberals and progressives have described and provided by myself and MMFA using Kings own words and his life you on the other hand have your beliefs. Tsk,tsk,tsk.

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                  • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 6:31 pm ET)
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                    Right, so much proof, and yet the only thing that can be found where he even mentions it is from a speech that nobody remembers. Never mind the fact that he was against the progressive/liberal ideal, anyway.
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 7:22 pm ET)
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                      A special kind of stupid you are. Let me give you a clue , you rebut by providing proof of what you're are talking about.
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                • Author by pilotx (August 26, 2010 5:17 pm ET)
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                  Beck is a political hack so there's one right there. Limbaugh is a political hack so there's two. Neither of these men have the honor to even mention his name. Ask some of those who knew and marched with the man what they think about Beck and his rally. I can;t prove it but I suspect that if Limbaugh and Beck were broadcasting in the 50's and 60's they would have been opposed to the man and his methods as were most conservatives of the time. It wasn't conservatives on stage speaking about civil rights. If you don't think so why did Dr. King oppose Barry Goldwater who is a leading conservative icon? Answer that question and much will be revealed.
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                  • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 6:40 pm ET)
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                    why did Dr. King oppose Barry Goldwater who is a leading conservative icon? Answer that question and much will be revealed.

                    He didn't.
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                    • Author by pilotx (August 26, 2010 6:59 pm ET)
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                      July 16, 1964 Dr. King opposes the nomination of Sen Barry Goldwater because he believes it will aid racists. Here is the link. Please don't try to debate me about my frat brother. I know more about him than you ever will. Here it is, do the homework.
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                      • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 7:34 pm ET)
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                        Don't you like his factual proof. MLK didn't oppose goldwater? Tells you what kind of kook we are talking to and why Beck enjoys so much popularity among them; they don't know history and are willing to let Beck reinterpret it for them instead of thinking for themsleves.
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                        • Author by pilotx (August 26, 2010 7:39 pm ET)
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                          He has got to be joking, that's the only thing I can think of. No one is that stupid, then again this is the same guy who tried to convince me Dr. King was a Republicon. I can provide all the proof he wants and then some. I can even direct him to some sources he can get his own info. No wonder Beck makes so much money, there's one born every minute.
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                    • Author by pilotx (August 26, 2010 7:30 pm ET)
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                      Here is more proof if you'd like to read more from the King research center.Here you go.Oh yeah, you're the guy who keeps insisting Dr. King was a Republicon. Boy, you really love your misinformation huh? I guess you're not aware Barry Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights Act on the grounds that the states should enforce their own laws regarding the matter and Dr. King adamently opposed that idea. Are you joking or are you really that unaware of history. I believe the former because no one can seriously rewrite history like that. I suggest asking someone a bit older than yourself about Dr. King because obviously the sources you are depending on are wrong.
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                      • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 7:52 pm ET)
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                        lol. I said the same thing further up. He really is ignorant of history and too lazy to find out on his own he'd rather listen to someone tell him what he wants to hear and pretend he's being educated. Sad,pathetic and dangerous.
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                        • Author by pilotx (August 26, 2010 7:58 pm ET)
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                          That seems to be the wrong wing trend lately. They are attempting to rewrite history. I'm sure it'll be bizarro world a palooza on Saturday when Beck will tell us he and Dr. King were poker buddies and that he actually wrote his most famous speeches. And they wonder why no one takes them seriously. If it wasn't so sad it might be funny. How come we get the B team trolls?
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                          • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 8:16 pm ET)
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                            lol. If this was a fight it would have been stopped long ago. Punchy is playing Jake LaMotta in "Raging Bull" beaten to a bloody pulp and led out the ring still delusional screaming "you never got me down Ray." lol. This fight is over.
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                            • Author by pilotx (August 26, 2010 9:40 pm ET)
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                              It ended when he had to use Frances Rice as his source. She sent me an e-mail today telling me how the president is destroying the country. She is actually as bad as some of the trolls here on this site. I explained to her how a president's policies won't be able to be judged for years but she freaked and asked if I knew I was the only person who doesn't see how the prez is making a mess. Must be nice to be somple minded and let people like Ms. Rice and Beck do the thinking for you. Ah, the joy of being stupid. Dough could benefit from a civil rights history class like I took back in college during the stone ages. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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            • Author by New Frontier (August 26, 2010 8:04 am ET)
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              Hey troll: You don't know squat about MLK. Even less than Beck, if that's possible.
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    • Author by Meremark (August 26, 2010 1:22 am ET)
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      Hey, this article is GREAT! at comparing MLK truth and GlennBeck LIES -- Beck LIAR.

      So, like could we get a betting pool (somewhere) on the TRUE number in attendance this weekend at the GlennBeck LIAR Divine self-destruction JabberFester ... I'll put 10 bucks on 25,ooo, (versus puffed-up promotional 'expectation' of 300,ooo); and 'official' count may be any supplied crowd-estimate from the Nat'l Parks spokesperson.

      -

      The Very BEST article so far this week is in The New Yorker, Jane Mayer's expose' of the Koch family billionaires in Wichita, Kansas, as the fount of anti-American HATE bigotry running poison for the last 80 years in this land and the American soul.

      www.NewYorker.COM/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?printable=true

      Covert Operations, by Jane Mayer - the billionaire brothers who are waging a war against Obama. [ a War of LIARS ]

      The Koch family has earned total vilification of itself. Any tentacle of the 'Kochtopus' that ever speaks hereafter, (such as Cato Institute), is obviously and instantly uncredible -- simply garden-variety bigoted LIARS.

      Memo to media: Shun and outcast every 'Kochtopus' agent, starting with the list in The New Yorker article.
      Memo to AP: Never cite Cato Institute or Heritage Foundation EVER AGAIN.

      Bet you didn't guess: the 'Kochtopus' owns and operates GlennBeck LIAR puppet.

      Read the piece, people, it is amazing how much influence of politics the 'Kochtopussers' purchase. They pride themselves on being "the biggest company you've never heard of," and they like you NOT to hear of them, their shame, their crimes, their evil in the extreme.

      Well, the entire world hears of them now. Such awful throwback hell-bound creatures in human-shape disguise.

      They ought to be arrested, indicted and tried ... in the World Court.

      Before God and Country.

      Before they expire.

      ... 's amazing, 'Kochtopus' owns and operates Beck LIAR, Limbaugh LIAR ... all 'Republican' LIARS ... the entire rightwing HATE poison is Koch concocted and infected in America ... awful, totally awful; prison is too nice for those evil betrayers of our humankind ....

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    • Author by Martha (August 26, 2010 8:22 am ET)
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      In a nutshell:



      MLK Glenn Beck Flow Chart - http://other98.com/2010/08/25/mlk-glenn-beck-flow-chart/
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    • Author by manofmystique (August 26, 2010 10:55 am ET)
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      White folks keep asking black people "do you know what will happen at Glen Beck's rally?"

      The answer is.... WE know what's not going to happen and that is the point.
      Beck will not bring people together using a scheme to rewrite history and claim something he diametrically opposes [The civil rights movement]. Despite what Beck says he has a problem with the civil rights movement, just like he has a problem with a black man in the white house.
      Beck, you first have to have honor before you can "restore honor". Clearly this hypocrite has no honor.
      Does a grown man who mocks a twelve years old child (President's daughter) have honor? Not in a civilized society.
      Does a man who says something ridiculous like "the President has a deep seated hatred for white people, the white culture", without evidence, sounds like a man with honor? [the Presidents mother is white]
      Beck sounds like a man with hate in his own heart to me.
      Beck, like guest speaker Sarah "Obama pals around with terrorist" Palin, is nothing but a divisive figure who can not relate to the things MLK fought for.
      We know people like that will not do justice to King's legacy. They will only insult those that appreciate his legacy.
      We know they really don't expect black people to join their white victimization rally when THEY are against "social justice". That is not only silly, it is stupid.
      Martin King fought for social justice yesterday and black people are still fighting for social justice today.
      We know Glen Beck is using this "event" as a way to deny he is a racist so that he can continue to berate the black President without it being an issue. Yes we know what Beck is up too but it's NOT going to happen (its not going to work).
      Its not going to matter how hard Beck tries to deceive black people, it won't happen because he is a huge liar and a walking contradiction.
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      • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 1:28 pm ET)
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        White folks keep asking black people "do you know what will happen at Glen Beck's rally?"

        Not sure who these people are that you speak of.

        I really don't know why MMFA insists on making this an issue of race. Race has nothing to do with the rally.
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        • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 1:49 pm ET)
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          ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...pathetic uninformed and proud to be ignorant thats you doughpoo.
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        • Author by manofmystique (August 26, 2010 2:45 pm ET)
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          to dough-dough brain

          Of course you don't know who these people are because you are not one of them. And being that you are not one of them, that means it didn't happen, right? What planet are you from?
          Glen Beck supporters have questioned his critics who said this rally is nothing more than a lynch mob. I, for one, am one of those people. The silly response from white defenders who disagreed with us was "you don't know what will happen". This sentiment have been expressed many times over the airwaves and websites.
          But since you haven't heard it means it never happened? Hell, you sound just like Beck himself, senseless.
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          • Author by doughpro1604643 (August 26, 2010 6:51 pm ET)
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            Maybe if you didn't speak in terms of "you people", "these people", "those people", and the best one yet, "white defenders", you would make more sense.
            I have no idea who you are talking about. What I gather is that you are asking the wrong people for answers to your questions. WTF makes you think that it's nothing more than a "lynch mob"? Believe what you want, there is no pressure coming from those who are attending, and there will be no "peer review" from them either.
            I would suggest you get away from whatever toxic airwaves and websites that you are giving business to.
            I am curious, though, where you are getting your info from.
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            • Author by congero6189599 (August 26, 2010 7:35 pm ET)
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              It's clear to anyone with a functioning brain he was talking about people like you. The joyously uninformed and dangerously ignorant Beckbots.
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            • Author by manofmystique (August 27, 2010 8:31 am ET)
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              Why don't you ask your delusional leader Glen Beck to tell us why he said "the President has a deep seated hatred for white people". If you can give me a realistic explanation I will break down the obvious reasons why I used the term "you people" "these people" and "white people". Here's a hint: it has nothing to do with hatred.
              Even though I TOLD you who I was speaking about, you still say you have no idea who I'm talking about. Hell, if you failed to understand that simple concept, you are beyond reproach, but since you responded I will continue to work with you.
              I believe it is a lynch mob due to the key speakers {Glen Beck, Dick Army, Sarah Palin and others....who have shown themselves to have a deep seated hatred for black people, the black culture) and the make up of the audience, mainly Tea Baggers and hate mongering sympathizers who somehow think they are victims of this black President. This nonsense tells me all I need to know about "these people".
              Now you may disagree with the reason why I think this is a lynch mob, but that is my answer (PS. anytime an angry white mob targets a black man, that is a lynch mob). These people say they want to take back their country. I guess they feel that a black man took it away from them. This makes them, not only dangerous, but a dangerous lynch mob.
              It's not the website that is "toxic" it's the people who visit them and leave their stench (mark). Your visit here can be considered toxic based on the ridiculously poisonous things you defend.
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            • Author by manofmystique (August 27, 2010 8:33 am ET)
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              to dough:

              Why don't you ask your delusional leader Glen Beck to tell us why he said "the President has a deep seated hatred for white people". If you can give me a realistic explanation I will break down the obvious reasons why I used the term "you people" "these people" and "white people". Here's a hint: it has nothing to do with hatred.
              Even though I TOLD you who I was speaking about, you still say you have no idea who I'm talking about. Hell, if you failed to understand that simple concept, you are beyond reproach, but since you responded I will continue to work with you.
              I believe it is a lynch mob due to the key speakers {Glen Beck, Dick Army, Sarah Palin and others....who have shown themselves to have a deep seated hatred for black people, the black culture) and the make up of the audience, mainly Tea Baggers and hate mongering sympathizers who somehow think they are victims of this black President. This nonsense tells me all I need to know about "these people".
              Now you may disagree with the reason why I think this is a lynch mob, but that is my answer (PS. anytime an angry white mob targets a black man, that is a lynch mob). These people say they want to take back their country. I guess they feel that a black man took it away from them. This makes them, not only dangerous, but a dangerous lynch mob.
              It's not the website that is "toxic" it's the people who visit them and leave their stench (mark). Your visit here can be considered toxic based on the ridiculously poisonous things you defend.
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    • Author by Eastwood (August 26, 2010 8:08 pm ET)
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      Economic Security for All: The Basic Income Guarantee

      "Richard Nixon presented a guaranteed income plan in 1969, and it passed in the House of Representatives with two-thirds of the vote. In the Senate, however, moderate supporters - Democrats and Republicans - were defeated by the combined votes of extreme conservatives who opposed any aid to the poor and extreme liberals who wanted more generous benefits."

      (Daniel Patrick Moynihan, the plan's author, described it, its popular support, and the congressional debates and votes in a 1973 book, The Politics of a Guaranteed Income.)


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    • Author by j238 (August 26, 2010 10:09 pm ET)
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      Beck didn't want people to work on the sabbath, his words, so he scheduled his rally for a Saturday.

      Does that mean Jewish people not invited?
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    • Author by Moderate Man (August 27, 2010 12:35 pm ET)
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      Beck claims he originally wanted to schedule the rally for September 12, but decided to change the date because he didn't want to ask people to "work on the Sabbath."

      I thought this was interesting because he changed days from a Sunday to a Saturday... some faiths consider Saturday to be the Sabbath, but does Beck care? Beck had continually made a point that this event was to be open to everyone, but obviously that was a lie...
      -----------------------------------
      The Midnight Review
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    • Author by knowledgereigns (August 27, 2010 3:18 pm ET)
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      Finally. FAIR has been railing about conservatives misusing MLK for over a decade. Glad MediaMatters finally made a report on this obvious discrepancies of Beck's embrace of MLK's ideas.
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      • Author by knowledgereigns (August 27, 2010 3:19 pm ET)
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        By the way, this reminds me of a Boondocks episode. Just saying! :D
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    • Author by CatsRBigLuv (August 27, 2010 4:39 pm ET)
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      I wonder if Beck, or even Alveda, know who really was the hidden organizer behind Dr Kings March on Washington?

      That man was Bayard Rustin, an openly gay man who not only was the brain of the American Civil Rights movement, but also participated in Gandhis Free India movement. It was in Satyagraha that Rustin found inspiration for the non-violent, non-cooperation approach that characterized Kings methodology.

      Bayard Rustin was Dr Kings mentor, and the real powerhouse (by all accounts) behind the Civil Rights struggle. But owing to the fact that he was openly gay, and that he had been arrested for being in Gay nightclubs, it was considered best to keep him out of the limelight, since bigots like Beck would use Rustins homosexuality as a means to attack the civil rights movement.

      But that doesnt change the fact that Rustin, a very proud gay man of color, was really the organizing power in Civil rights, as well as the co-founder of the Southern Christian Leadership conference.


      So Glenn, as you denigrate the spirit of Civil Rights for the sake of your own hateful, lunatic and bigoted agenda, and while you have co-opted Kings blood relative as a mere showpiece (simply because she shares your prejudices), remember that the very hostile rhetoric which you spew out every day (and the communities of progress against who you rage so angrily), keeps you more than short of the brilliance of Bayard Rustin.

      Beck and his supporters probably dont even know who Rustin is, but why should they? They make a daily practice of distorting history.

      What an ugly sham(e)!!!!
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