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Logan's Sexual Assault Brings Wave Of Blaming The Victim And Other Ugliness

February 16, 2011 11:17 am ET by Julie Millican

During a news brief on this morning's Fox & Friends, Gretchen Carlson reported that CBS correspondent Lara Logan had been "beaten and sexually assaulted by a mob of men while covering the political uprising in Egypt." While Carlson reported the story as nothing but factual, during her report, the onscreen text read, "Journalist Assaulted in Egypt? Report: Protesters Attacked CBS' Lara Logan." 

Fox screen grab

Is Fox really questioning the validity of the story? If not, why the question mark?

Fox isn't alone in having a completely inappropriate response to Logan's tragic assault. Others have seized on the story to attack Logan, suggesting that the reason this happened was because she was a pretty woman reporting in the middle of a war zone. As Salon's Mary Elizabeth Williams observed:

In a stunningly offensive blog post titled "Lara Logan, CBS Reporter and Warzone 'It Girl,' Raped Repeatedly Amid Egypt Celebration" for LA Weekly, writer Simone Wilson managed to mention Logan's "shocking good looks and ballsy knack for pushing her way to the heart of the action" before getting to the assault itself. She then went on to imagine how it happened: "In a rush of frenzied excitement, some Egyptian protestors apparently consummated their newfound independence by sexually assaulting the blonde reporter." Well, sure, what other motive for an assault could there be, given that Logan is, in Wilson's words, a "gutsy stunner" with "Hollywood good looks"? And how else do Egyptians celebrate anyway but with a gang assault?  It's not like she deserved it, but well, she is hot, right?

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Wilson wasn't the only person out there to be wildly tone-deaf in response, either. When the news broke, Nir Rosen, a fellow at the New York University Center for Law and Security, promptly whined to Twitter, "It's always wrong, that's obvious, but I'm rolling my eyes at all the attention she'll get," adding, "She's so bad that I ran out of sympathy for her." He soon backpedaled, deleting several of his most offensive posts and tweeting, "I apologize and take it back. joking with friends got out of line when i didnt [sic] want to back down. forgot twitter is not exactly private." Apparently he still hasn't remembered that sexual assault isn't great joking around material.

Rosen since resigned his post at NYU.

But he's not alone. 

Other conservative commentators have seized on the story as an excuse to perpetuate their racism. As Williams pointed out, right-wing blogger Debbie Schlussel responded to the incident by claiming Logan was to blame because "she should have known what Islam is all about":

And the ever-heinous Debbie Schlussel was quick to jump on her regular line of racism, noting how the assault happened in a "country of savages," because that never ever happens anywhere else, and it's never committed by light-skinned people! She then twisted the knife by going after Logan herself, saying, "So sad, too bad, Lara. No one told her to go there. She knew the risks. And she should have known what Islam is all about. Now she knows... How fitting that Lara Logan was 'liberated' by Muslims in Liberation Square while she was gushing over the other part of the 'liberation.'" Debbie Schlussel, what's it like to be so liberated from the burden of having either a mind or a soul?

In addition, notorious Islamophobe Pam Geller seems to be taking issue with CBS not reporting on the religious affiliation of the assailants. She also doesn't think that women really could have had much to do with rescuing Logan from her assailants. From her February 15 post (emphasis in the original):

Freedom-yearning young Egyptian role models? Not so much.

CBS chief foreign correspondent Lara Logan was covering the jubilation in Tahrir Square for a "60 Minutes" story when she and her team and their security were surrounded by a dangerous element amidst the celebration. It was a mob of more than 200 people whipped into frenzy.

CBS reportage on this is ... interesting. Logan was brutally raped for a sustained period of time. I find their mealy-mouthed reportingappalling. Imagine if this were ..... Israel. Or a tea party.

She was saved by "a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers." Color me skeptical, but methinks it was more soldiers than women.

These people ought to be ashamed of themselves. A woman was brutally assaulted in one of the most horrifyingly imaginable ways, and they are using it to blame the victim or to further their own racism. The fact remains that in no way is Logan responsible for what happened to her, and it is beyond disgusting to suggest otherwise. Moreover, the religion of her assailants is completely irrelevant. Would Geller or Schlussel argue that we shouldn't be surprised when a woman gets gang raped by Christian males because they're Christian? Of course not.

This crime was committed by a group of savages who should be brought to justice for what they did. And we should be keeping Logan in our thoughts and prayers. Nothing else should matter.

UPDATE:

Gateway Pundit Jim Hoft blames Logan and "her liberal belief system" for her sexual assault.

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    • Author by RKAllen (February 16, 2011 11:26 am ET)
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      They can't help themselves. A majority of the headlines have a question mark at the end, so if they decide to take a particular position later they can just say, "hey. Some people were asking the question."
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      • Author by wookie (February 16, 2011 11:32 am ET)
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        I'm thinking that it is that Fox never actually does news and they were asking if anyone else has a clue.
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      • Author by tspang (February 16, 2011 11:41 am ET)
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        Hah! You know how some people have a problem with the overuse of commas? It's like that for Fox news television editors, but with question marks.
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      • Author by thaneb (February 16, 2011 11:56 am ET)
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        Fox has automated on-screen text and ? is the default?
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    • Author by indigo1968 (February 16, 2011 11:27 am ET)
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      Logan was arrested and assaulted by members of the Egyptian military acting as pro-Mubarek thugs, the same thugs who attacked demonstrators on horseback several days earlier.
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      • Author by mattcable250650 (February 16, 2011 12:02 pm ET)
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        Unfortunately, as Susan Brownmiller pointed out in Against Our Will, it's actually rather common for women to get raped during liberation celebrations. It doesn't just happen during times of hatred. If you have some sort of proof that the military was involved, all the reports I've seen are that it was a spontaneous mob action, I'd like to see some evidence, some links.
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        • Author by raddave43 (February 16, 2011 12:10 pm ET)
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          Does that make it right?
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          • Author by mattcable250650 (February 16, 2011 12:35 pm ET)
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            Oh, absolutely not and I hate to be giving the Egyptian military the benefit of the doubt. It's just that we have good reason to believe that the sexual assault was an unorganized and spontaneous event as opposed to a planned and calculated affront.
            Does that make it the slightest bit better or worse? No, not in the least.
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    • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 11:30 am ET)
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      Is the entire Republican machine sociopathic?

      I can't even think of something snarky to say. These people are just disgusting.
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      • Author by indigo1968 (February 16, 2011 11:32 am ET)
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        They probably reason that Logan was "asking for it" by wearing a dress that was too revealing.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (February 16, 2011 12:08 pm ET)
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          No, she was "asking for it" because she's European and reports for the leftist lamestream media.
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    • Author by Leftym0m79 (February 16, 2011 11:34 am ET)
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      Wow. That is the most disgusting display of...I can't even think of a word to convey how disgusting this is. Rape only happens in the "savage nations", right.
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    • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 11:42 am ET)
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      ..and Debbie Schlussel saying, "so sad, too bad, Lara" and facetiously referring to it as "liberation"?

      Go f**k yourself, Debbie.
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      • Author by papa bear3 (February 16, 2011 3:14 pm ET)
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        . . .better yet Debbie, go to Egypt and do a followup with the rapists
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    • Author by thebewilderness (February 16, 2011 11:43 am ET)
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      Misogyny is bipartisan.
      The lefty men in the blog threads, who enjoy their rape jokes just as much as the righties do, want more gory details before they can decide if she was really really raped or just plain raped before they bring the full force of their victim blaming.
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      • Author by What Happened to Gannon (February 16, 2011 11:51 am ET)
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        Evidence?
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        • Author by St1kyFinguz (February 16, 2011 1:51 pm ET)
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          @What Happened to Gannon...You wanted "Evidence" .... Clinton, Gore, Julian Assange and Spitzer!
          The left has a history of circling the wagons around rapists....


          On a side not I cannot and will not give ms Logan my sympathy, I don't think she wants anyone to pity her. All I can give her is my respect cuz she's going right back in there to do her Job.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (February 16, 2011 2:18 pm ET)
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            Clinton and Gore are rapists now? You are disgusting, sticky, and you seem to be intent on belittling actual victims.
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            • Author by St1kyFinguz (February 16, 2011 2:37 pm ET)
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              Calm down...Clinton Was accused of rape and Gore was almost charged with sexual assault only God knows the truth.
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              • Author by MiniTru (February 16, 2011 5:46 pm ET)
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                And yet you post as if you know the truth. Do you think you're God?
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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (February 17, 2011 4:25 am ET)
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                Calm down...Clinton Was accused of rape and Gore was almost charged with sexual assault only God knows the truth.

                In this country EVERYONE who is accused of a crime is and should be considered INNOCENT UNTIL proven guilty.

                You can make all the accusation you want but UNLESS you've gone to court and proven your case, you're just flapping your jaws.

                Neither President Clinton, V.P. Al Gore or Governor Spitzer were EVER found guilty of rape in ANY court in this country!

                And so far Assange is just charged with a crime, he has not gone to court.

                IF the prosecution proves it's case then he'll be found guilty as charged, but right now he has just been accused.

                ...You wanted "Evidence" .... Clinton, Gore, Julian Assange and Spitzer!

                EVIDENCE? Have YOU provided ANY?... I didn't think so.
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                • Author by St1kyFinguz (February 17, 2011 10:37 am ET)
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                  At this point there is nothing left for me to but apologize for conflating the term "Misogynist" with the term "Rapist". I was wrong.

                  The fact still remains that
                  Misogyny is bipartisan.
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            • Author by St1kyFinguz (February 16, 2011 2:42 pm ET)
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              You cannot give her your sympathy. You god-damned monster.

              You really need to start thinking like a man for a change...
              This women, Mrs Lara Logan is too tough to ask for anyone's sympathy, so I chose to give her my respect.

              She doesn't want to play the victim role!!!

              I Like That!
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              • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 16, 2011 3:39 pm ET)
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                You really need to start thinking like a man for a change...


                WTF? Empathy is not a male trait? You really are a disgusting example of the rw.
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                • Author by St1kyFinguz (February 16, 2011 4:02 pm ET)
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                  .....And you are women hear you roar!
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                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 16, 2011 4:32 pm ET)
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                    Oh my what a spectacular fail...
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                  • Author by MiniTru (February 16, 2011 5:47 pm ET)
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                    .....And you are women hear you roar!
                    And you are moron, hear you sobbing in fear.
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                    • Author by St1kyFinguz (February 16, 2011 6:12 pm ET)
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                      This is silly, thebewildernes said
                      Misogyny is bipartisan.
                      That statement offended so many of you that I had to gave some examples of how right he is. I didn't even mention David Letterman's harem of women who just happen to work under him.

                      But now This has become your typical leftist Victim Worshiping session.

                      How predictable!
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                      • Author by spiritcaller4585 (February 16, 2011 10:47 pm ET)
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                        "But now This has become your typical leftist Victim Worshiping session. " - St1kyF

                        As opposed to your typical right wing CRIMINAL worshiping session.
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                      • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 17, 2011 11:22 am ET)
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                        I only responded to the part where you indicated that empathy is not a male trait.

                        You are disgusting.
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              • Author by achrispage6992 (February 17, 2011 7:54 am ET)
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                It's more like these right wing opinionators are charicatures of themselves. Remember the movie "Airplane!?" There was a scene showing news reaction to the news of the plane. In one portion, it showed a conservative figure in a "Crossfire" type of show saying "they bought their ticket, they knew what they were getting into...I say let em' crash." Unfortunately that is the mentality of these neanderthals on the right. Debbie Schlussel could easily assume the role of that stereotypical right wind dunderhead on that movie.

                More importantly though is the total disconnect people like Schlussel and others have about events such as this. I think we would all agree that if someone was desperate enough to sexually assault Schlussel, in the aftermath, she certainly wouldn't see her predicament as being a result of her actions. Nevertheless, it never ceases to amaze me how these right wing thugs hide behind Jesus and Christianity while they say and do things that are in direct contradiction to everything Christ taught. Amazing and so, so sad.
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              • Author by mjh (February 17, 2011 5:56 pm ET)
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                "You really need to start thinking like a man for a change..." -- L!ck$ his Finguz


                . . . says the one who said:

                "The lefty men in the blog threads, who enjoy their rape jokes just as much as the righties do, want more gory details before they can decide if she was really really raped or just plain raped before they bring the full force of their victim blaming."



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          • Author by CrashGordon (February 16, 2011 2:30 pm ET)
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            None of the people you mention were ever convicted of rape. Clinton and Spitzer were never even accused.
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            • Author by CrashGordon (February 16, 2011 2:32 pm ET)
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              Sorry, I guess Clinton was actually accused of rape, just not by anyone credible or with anything close to evidence.
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              • Author by MiniTru (February 16, 2011 5:49 pm ET)
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                Clinton wasaccused of having sex with a woman in a hotel that wasn't even built until two years after the supposed event took place.
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        • Author by jjamele2880 (February 17, 2011 3:05 pm ET)
             
          I must say I'm appalled at the treatment of the rape allegations directed at Berlosconi in Italy as High Comedy by certain members of the media. Since when is statuary rape something to joke about?
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      • Author by truth4me (February 16, 2011 12:12 pm ET)
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        YOU are disgusting!!!
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      • Author by dkylep (February 16, 2011 2:15 pm ET)
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        You repulsive monster. How dare you have even the nerve to think such thoughts. What in the flying hell is wrong with you? What kind of sociopath are you anyway? You try to turn this into 'both sides do it' so that you can win political points?!?! You're beyond reprehensible.
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      • Author by thebewilderness (February 16, 2011 4:27 pm ET)
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        The evidence is in the blog threads and on the nightly news.
        Our misogyny isn't as bad as their misogyny sounds a bit like the not as bad as Hitler excuse for abuse.
        It was not my intent to shock you with a nasty jolt of the reality women live with every day of their lives.
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      • Author by indigo1968 (February 16, 2011 5:41 pm ET)
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        Anyone who "enjoys" a rape joke is slime. Fortunately, I've never met such a person.
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      • Author by beDecent (February 16, 2011 7:29 pm ET)
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        32 thumbs down for this?

        thebewilderness isn't saying anything that's incorrect; misogyny exists everywhere, and it's beyond politics.

        Which is exactly what this should be--beyond politics. We can't be pointing fingers at anyone; it just distracts us from the real issue, which is that some men AND women (it even goes beyond gender, which is pretty appalling) blame the victims of sexual assaults.

        It has to stop, everywhere. Rapists roam free because their victims are afraid to come forward--that cannot be happening, anywhere.

        We just need to keep focused on the real issue at hand, which is how to stop this ignorance.
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    • Author by fishgirl26 (February 16, 2011 11:44 am ET)
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      What about "churches" that continually assault their members Ms. Schlussel??? Is a catholic church a "savage nation"? This is a brutal attack that took place and this is what they do. Why does the right hate women??
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    • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 11:45 am ET)
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      Media Matters will print anything these days. This type of article is what I call "filler" material while they wait for the latest "crazy" Beck or Limbaugh quote they can get butthurt about.
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      • Author by cst (February 16, 2011 11:49 am ET)
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        So you're dismiss these comments- and by extension, these commenters- as being of no significance?
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        • Author by ScienceBuff (February 16, 2011 11:54 am ET)
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          Nutshell Mag - "Nothing to see here. Move along, keep moving."
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          • Author by cst (February 16, 2011 12:16 pm ET)
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            Can't wait to see what he'll say when one of the BIG pundits comments on it.
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            • Author by soze169880 (February 16, 2011 12:35 pm ET)
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              "How is Glenn calling her a 'hot piece' and implying she lied about being raped 'conservative misinformation'?"
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              • Author by papa bear3 (February 16, 2011 3:26 pm ET)
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                . . .it's in the FOX NEWS Style Book, page xxxvii, "for headline to suck in readers interest, include question mark, then vaguely answer the question with 'suggestible' tidbits that will inflame the reader"

                Example: Bid Laden to attack targets inside US?
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      • Author by mattcable250650 (February 16, 2011 11:55 am ET)
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        So you think it's perfectly okay for Fox News to question whether Logan was sexually assaulted? I don't understand why you're trying to excuse Fox News' abominably place question mark. To question whether or not she was assaulted shows egregious, I dunno, "insensitivity" seems like far too gentle a word.
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        • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 12:08 pm ET)
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          So you're upset about a question mark?
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (February 16, 2011 12:10 pm ET)
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            MagCynic a child molestor?

            <just asking a question>
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            • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 12:31 pm ET)
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              I think a more appropriate response would be:

              MagCynic defends rape? Commentor critical of comments outraged by rape of reporter.
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            • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 12:36 pm ET)
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              You're missing the other half of the headline.

              Fox News asked the question then answered it with facts from a report.
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              • Author by achrispage6992 (February 17, 2011 8:03 am ET)
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                MagCynic a sexual predator of goats?

                Do you see how a statement of opinion about a person, place, event, etc can be cleverly concealed by adding a simple question mark?

                Fox does it all the time. It's known as a "Cavuto Mark." It's simply a cowardly way of making a statement and concealing that statement with a question mark. Go here and watch Jon Stewart explain what Fox is doing.

                http://www.newshounds.us/2006/09/14/jon_stewart_explains_the_cavuto_mark.php
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          • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 12:29 pm ET)
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            How about Debbie Schussel saying that her rapists "liberated" her?

            What's your take on that, MagCynic?
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            • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 12:38 pm ET)
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              Never heard of her. Don't care. We're talking about Fox News' use of a question mark followed by answering the question with a factual report. Where is the problem here? Headlines are written like that all the time:

              American Murdered in Iran?
              Report: Iranian military murder American tourist

              Would you have a problem with that headline?
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              • Author by foghornleghorn (February 16, 2011 12:50 pm ET)
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                Would you have a problem with that headline?

                Yes.

                Full disclosure, mags - I used to be a journalist and I never, ever, used a question mark in a headline.
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                • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 12:53 pm ET)
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                  "Full disclosure, mags - I used to be a journalist and I never, ever, used a question mark in a headline. "

                  You didn't. That doesn't mean many other news agencies haven't.

                  Specifically what do you find wrong with a headline framed like that?

                  It introduces the topic by asking a question, then answers the question.
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (February 16, 2011 2:11 pm ET)
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                    Here's the point:

                    NO QUESTION MARK IS NECESSARY. The incident happened. It's a fact. No question needs to be asked. Therefore, Fox is putting this in a "maybe she was, maybe she wasn't" format despite what they wrote below.
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                    • Author by HughG (February 17, 2011 10:47 am ET)
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                      Exactly right.
                      MagCynic stretches any understanding of the English language in order to defend the indefensible.
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              • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 12:53 pm ET)
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                Maybe you should read the whole article before engaging in another one of your cowardly deflections. We're talking about the whole article above.

                Try answering the question for once, coward.
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                • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 1:03 pm ET)
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                  What question? The entire point of attacking Fox News is because they inserted a question mark in their headline. Do you not see the sub-headline they also included that answered the question?
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                  • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 1:17 pm ET)
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                    This one:

                    How about Debbie Schussel saying that her rapists "liberated" her?

                    What's your take on that, MagCynic?


                    This entire article, and ensuing discussion, is not about the question mark that Fox placed at the end of their banner, but of the Republican media's response to Lara Logan's rape. The second quote box in the story above refers to Debbie Schussel's response to the rape.

                    You're willingness to ignore the inconvenient filth your side has been flinging at a rape victim only convinces me that you most likely feel the same as these people, but lack the courage to speak it publicly, instead putting on your tunnel vision goggles about a question mark, hoping that we'll get frustrated with you and let it go. But I'm not going to let it go. I want a direct answer from you about your feelings regarding Debbie Schussel's remarks.

                    Are you willing to say here that a Republican made disgustingly vile and inappropriate comments by calling rape a "liberation" of its victim?
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                    • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 2:14 pm ET)
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                      My side? Who the in the blue hell is Debbie Schussel? Why should I care? Does she speak for all conservatives. Does her supposedly being a conservative mean anything if she says what you say she said?

                      What's the point of this site? Is Media Matters trying to discredit conservative ideals?
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                      • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 2:17 pm ET)
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                        I see you lack the courage to ask the question. I'll keep asking it until you go away or until you answer it.

                        Here it is again:

                        How about Debbie Schussel saying that her rapists "liberated" her?

                        What's your take on that, MagCynic?
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                        • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 2:17 pm ET)
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                          *answer the question, not ask.
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                        • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 2:53 pm ET)
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                          Not every question is relevant. This Debbie Schussel person could argue that Logan deserved to be raped and that she's a better woman for it.

                          All this could be true. What, then, would be the point? She's clearly wrong if she holds that belief? What's the point of pointing her belief out?
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                          • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 3:19 pm ET)
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                            So, you're going to fall back on your cowardly "irrelevant" argument?

                            You're such a child, and a coward to boot who's too afraid to own up to his ideology. You'd rather hem and haw and hope people forget that you refuse to answer any questions directly, yet demand that everyone answer your questions.

                            You can type all the inane bulls**t you want, here. You're the one who has to live with your cowardice, not me.
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                            • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 3:30 pm ET)
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                              Explain how my belief that Fox News shouldn't be included in this article is cowardly?

                              My only point of contention is that Media Matters seems to be implying that Fox News doesn't think the rape happened. I could care less if some idiot named Debbie thinks Lara Logan was "liberated" by her attackers.
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                              • Author by jediknight65 (February 16, 2011 5:30 pm ET)
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                                yeah yeah we get that you dont care about a woman getting raped because she wasn't conservative.

                                we know how right wingers dont believe rape happens.

                                dont you ever get tired of proving how disgusting you are?
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                          • Author by jediknight65 (February 16, 2011 5:28 pm ET)
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                            and you just proved you're a complete scumbag
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                      • Author by newzhound (February 16, 2011 9:50 pm ET)
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                        MM4A doesn't have to work to discredit conservative "ideals."

                        Conservatives do a fine job of that on their own.
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              • Author by Kid Funkadelic (February 16, 2011 5:58 pm ET)
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                Let's see MagCynic, the POTUS kills a fly and Michelle Malkin gets PETA to boycott him. He calls a woman mam and Fox calls it Mamgate. Five policemen get shot in Pittsburgh and three die and the FOP goes after Dr. Henry Louis (Skip) Gates, a man that walks with a cane since he was 15. A reporter gets raped and all the right can do is make jokes.

                Where is YOUR humanity?
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          • Author by mattcable250650 (February 16, 2011 12:38 pm ET)
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            Yes, I am. The question mark is highly inappropriate as there's no serious question as to what occurred.
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            • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 12:39 pm ET)
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              Fox isn't questioning whether it occurred. It was an introductory headline. That's why they followed it - right below the question - with the answer.

              It'd be like me writing a headline like...

              Student Raped In Class?
              Report: Rape occurred after teacher left room

              Would you have a problem with that headline?

              It's a common practice in the news. You see that all the time.
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              • Author by mattcable250650 (February 16, 2011 12:58 pm ET)
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                The question marks suggests that there is some legitimate question as to whether Logan was raped or not. I don't care whether people consider it common practice to use it in that manner. If you want to question whether it's better to use vinegar or ammonia to clean out wine stains or some other perfectly innocuous question like that, then yeah, okay, using a question mark is justifiable.
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                • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 1:01 pm ET)
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                  I would agree with you if they didn't include the sub-headline answering the question. It makes it very clear that they aren't actually questioning whether or not the journalist was raped.

                  Do you not see the sub-headline answering the question they ask?
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                  • Author by mattcable250650 (February 16, 2011 3:04 pm ET)
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                    The existence of a sub-heading is irrelevant and beside the point. They asked a question where there was no legitimate question to be asked.
                    If you're asking a legitimate question "Is vinegar or ammonia better for cleaning wine stains out of clothing?" then a question mark is appropriate. If the question is innocuous, (see example above) then my answer is the same.
                    The "question" in this case is neither legitimate nor is it innocuous. For millennia, men have asked "But was she really raped?" Fox News made it appear as though that ages-old question was legitimate in this case.
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                • Author by riverdog (February 17, 2011 11:27 am ET)
                     
                  The question marks suggests that there is some legitimate question as to whether Logan was raped or not.

                  yes and that is why we use the term alledged until a trial or the facts are confirmed. fox's banner (?) isn't the problem, its the stupid jerks comments about it (geller, schussel)
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              • Author by foole (February 16, 2011 12:58 pm ET)
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                It's a common practice on Fox News. You see that all the time.
                I fixed that. This is a straight story. The assault happened, there were witnesses and, as was stated, Gretchen Carlson was reporting the story as fact on Fox and Friends while that chyron was on the bottom of the screen. The only reason for that question mark was to bring the story into question...not to introduce it. It was appalling and kind of surprisingly low down, even for Fox News.
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                • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 1:02 pm ET)
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                  Did you not read the sub-headline answer the question? The headline doesn't just read (summarizing) "Was she actually raped?"

                  It reads (summarizing): "Was a journalist raped? Yes, a report says she was."
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                  • Author by Disputed Zone (February 16, 2011 1:08 pm ET)
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                    Why did you put the word "Yes" in your summary? It was not indicated or implied in the actual chyron.
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                    • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 2:15 pm ET)
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                      The Fox News headline asked the question then answered it with the report that, yes, she was raped.

                      I was paraphrasing.
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                      • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 2:28 pm ET)
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                        I never took you for someone who would go this low to defend rape, MagCynic. That's pretty disgusting. I think I've just lost all respect for you as a human being.

                        You're working harder than anyone else here to defend what's been described in the story above.

                        Christ, I couldn't sleep at night if I did what you're doing now.
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                        • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 2:52 pm ET)
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                          You seem awfully trolly. Are you a troll?

                          I find it easier to communicate with people on here if we have a conversation with one idea at a time.

                          Let's start with this, what do you find offensive about Fox News' use of the question mark?
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                          • Author by foghornleghorn (February 16, 2011 3:09 pm ET)
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                            I've answered this already - because there is no question involved. Journalists, at least ethical ones, don't treat headlines like a Rumsfeld press conference - asking questions and then answering them.
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                          • Author by syrabell (February 16, 2011 5:10 pm ET)
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                            I am surprised it took you so long to bring in the word troll to your argument. Can clone be far behind?

                            You are one of the most evasive persons I have ever experienced in a forum.

                            We ask why the ? in the on screen title and you dance around the question.
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                      • Author by Disputed Zone (February 16, 2011 3:25 pm ET)
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                        You're paraphrase would be correct without the "Yes." It would read:

                        Was a journalist raped? A report says she was.

                        That's an accurate paraphrase, and it leaves room for doubt as to whether a rape took place. Which is why, I suspect, you added a "Yes" that wasn't there.
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                        • Author by Disputed Zone (February 16, 2011 3:26 pm ET)
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                          "Your"

                          D'oh!
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                          • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 3:32 pm ET)
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                            It doesn't matter because the headline was simply accompanying the main report by - I believe - Gretchen Carlson in which she uses the report from Egypt that a journalist was attacked.

                            At no point did any viewer of Fox News ever come away with the notion that Lara Logan wasn't raped.

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                            • Author by Disputed Zone (February 16, 2011 3:41 pm ET)
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                              It doesn't matter because the headline was simply accompanying the main report...

                              I count a dozen posts where you argue that the headline itself vindicates Fox. Happy to help.
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                              • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 4:00 pm ET)
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                                It does. Fox is vindicated further if you actually, you know, listen to the report instead of looking at a screencap and ignoring the sub-headline.

                                Happy to retort.
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                                • Author by Disputed Zone (February 16, 2011 4:15 pm ET)
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                                  Right, you just moved the goalposts for no particular reason.

                                  As Media Matters notes in the first paragraph, "Carlson reported the story as nothing but factual," and I never said otherwise. But my correction of your own paraphrase I think shows just how wrong the chyron was.

                                  BTW, onespeedbiker is also defending Fox News below, but he does think Fox was questioning whether or not the assault happened. Based on the chyron.
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                                  • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 4:37 pm ET)
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                                    What do you think the headline "Report: Protesters attacked CBS' Lara Logan" meant? Do you think they were questioning the authenticity of whether she was raped or not?

                                    My point is that Fox News should not be grouped with anybody that thinks the rape never happened like Media Matters has done here. It is dishonest.
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                                    • Author by Disputed Zone (February 16, 2011 4:51 pm ET)
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                                      Do you think they were questioning the authenticity of whether she was raped or not?

                                      That's what the chyron does. Literally. And, no, I don't think that's as bad as what others have done, and I don't think it represents the view of Fox News. I just think it was very inappropriate and I'd like to see some accountability from Fox.
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              • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 16, 2011 1:04 pm ET)
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                It's a common practice in the news. You see that all the time.


                Really? I can't seem to find much about that. Of cours you could provide some kind of proof this happens "all the time", right. Or even occasionally, outside of places like fox and the rw echo chamber.
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                • Author by dkylep (February 16, 2011 2:30 pm ET)
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                  No, he couldn't. Because it doesn't happen. This sick god-damned freak sees nothing wrong with these people saying and writing what they do to denigrate this woman's ordeal. MagCynic is the kind of sick, twisted, evil person who would spit on you if you were dying on the street because you're 'left-wing'. He'd probably do that to anybody actually. He seems to feel that scoring political points is infinitely more important than denouncing people who are making it their job to cast doubt and blame on this woman and her story.

                  God I wish I was a moderator on this site. MagCynic, your IP would be banned so fast it wouldn't even be funny, after seeing the comments that you're writing on this thread. You sick, twisted, evil, woman-hating (as long as they're liberal?) little taint-stain of a man. Daring to defend those who are vilifying this female reporter......you've sunk to a horrible new low.
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                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 16, 2011 2:49 pm ET)
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                    He seems to feel that scoring political points is infinitely more important than denouncing people who are making it their job to cast doubt and blame on this woman and her story.


                    No doubt - this is the same poster that said he would...

                    "Laugh. Out. Loud."

                    ...if a muslim theocracy emerged in Egypt after the protests. It seemed to simply be so he could say "Told ya so. Beck was right!"

                    Mag is one fick suck not to mention an ignorant POS.
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      • Author by fishgirl26 (February 16, 2011 11:59 am ET)
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        That implies that A.) it's not a "real" news story b.) the event never happened c.) you condone this attack on Ms. Logan and by extension any woman because only in Egypt does this happen. Did you read about the 13 year old girl that was gang raped by 3 13 year olds in LA??? The crime remains the same no matter where you are.
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        • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 12:10 pm ET)
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          You're reaching at straws here. It's common practice in news media to list a headline like:

          "Rape in High School?
          Study: More students are being raped in school"

          Do you have a problem with that question mark? It's introducing the subject by questioning it and following it up with a report or study to answer the question. Like I said, it's a common way of phrasing news blurbs. It's not arguing that it never happened.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (February 16, 2011 12:18 pm ET)
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            Do you have a problem with that question mark?

            Yes.
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          • Author by mattcable250650 (February 16, 2011 12:40 pm ET)
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            Yes, I do have a problem with your example of a question mark, as the given example should be stated as a simple fact.
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          • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 16, 2011 3:35 pm ET)
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            You're reaching at straws here. It's common practice in news media


            No it's not - prove it with some links.
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            • Author by thebewilderness (February 16, 2011 4:11 pm ET)
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              It is common practice in the news media these days.
              It used to be liability insurance for when they want to go with a story that they do not know is true. That is how it started not so many years ago.
              Now it is an effective propaganda tool used to call facts into question and promote falsehoods.
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              • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 16, 2011 4:24 pm ET)
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                Honestly - I really don't see it very much. I would really like to see it used by a "lamestream" outlet. Could you provide links?
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                • Author by MiniTru (February 16, 2011 5:58 pm ET)
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                  <crickets>
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                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 17, 2011 11:52 am ET)
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                    You know - I checked several news web sites, CNN, NY Times, LA Times, etc and scanning their home pages there aren't many if any headlines with question marks and where tehy're used it's related to celebrity type stories.
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      • Author by pete592 (February 16, 2011 12:01 pm ET)
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        MMfA is to be commended for citing Nir Rosen's abhorrent comments regarding Logan. I haven't seen anything from Rosen to suggest he's a "conservative commentator."
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        • Author by HughG (February 17, 2011 11:02 am ET)
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          True. Rosen's no conservative.
          His beef with Logan seems to stem from her criticism of Rolling Stone's story about Stanley McCrystal. Many of us on the left were not at all happy with Logan's actions then. See, for e.g., this piece by Matt Taibbi.
          Most of us on the left were horrified by her rape and are sympathetic to her; the fact that she has made some regrettable choices in the past is irrelevant. I don't care that Rosen's a liberal; he behaved disgracefully, and he's earned the scorn (and loss of his NYU job) that he's received.
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      • Author by beDecent (February 16, 2011 12:22 pm ET)
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        Get out of here with this bullsh!t, Mag.
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      • Author by soze169880 (February 16, 2011 12:34 pm ET)
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        So the idea that anyone might be genuinely offended by blaming someone for her own rape is just out of the question?
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        • Author by beDecent (February 16, 2011 12:47 pm ET)
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          Seriously, I could cry for her. Not only was she brutally attacked, but there are other women in the media being horribly disingenuous about Logan's terrifying experience.

          I sure hope she's stronger than I am, and comes back with a vengeance.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (February 16, 2011 2:19 pm ET)
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        MagCynic thinks rape is no big deal? Dismisses gang rape as "filler'?
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    • Author by m00n (February 16, 2011 11:46 am ET)
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      "FOX News is considered a valid source for truth in reporting?
      Millions of people want to know."

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    • Author by pete592 (February 16, 2011 11:52 am ET)
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      I'm disappointed having admired some of Nir Rosen's work on the Iraq war. What he did with regard to Logan is totally inexcusable. Good to see that he has resigned from NYU.

      However, I don't think MMfA got this part quite right...


      "Rosen since resigned his post at NYU.

      But he's not alone.

      Other conservative commentators have seized on the story..."
      Considering his body of work on the Iraq war, Rosen is not someone I would put in the company of "conservative commentators."
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      • Author by Disputed Zone (February 16, 2011 12:20 pm ET)
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        I, too, am very disappointed with Rosen. Glenn Greenwald once said Rosen "is unquestionably one of the best war journalists and commentators in the country probably in the world."
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    • Author by beDecent (February 16, 2011 12:19 pm ET)
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      Shameless!

      Of course it always boils down to how the woman looks, right? Not that the men involved are criminal pigs!

      What's horrifying here is the conservative pundits quoted here are women; they are nothing more than lackeys for the misogynistic right wing, and that's truly pathetic.
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    • Author by Malek (February 16, 2011 12:26 pm ET)
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      Unfortunately, that same Salon article hypocritically referred to Logan as a "blond reporter" with a "robust sex life." A total failure to see the point one is making.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (February 16, 2011 12:53 pm ET)
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      It's really sick. Violence against women, in general, sexual or otherwise, seems to be the only crime in exsistance where our first instict is CONSISTENTLY to blame the victim. Battered wife? Her fault for not leaving him. Rape vitcim? Her fault for being hot. And if is she's NOT hot? The first thing to do is point out that the rapist had bad taste, and THEN try to figure out how this ugly broad was acting innapropriately, thus briging this crime on herself.

      You don't walk up to someone who's house just burned down and say, "Geez, Bill, don't you own a fire extinguisher?"

      You don't walk up to a guy who just got shot and ask why he wasn't wearing a bullet-proof vest, or why he wasn't 'paying attention to his surroundings.'

      But violence against women? Meh... she HAD to be doing something wrong, right?

      It's despicable and it makes me sick.

      As far as I'm concerned, Noirin Shirley had it 100% right, when she wrote that, "It's not my job to avoid getting assaulted. It's everyone else's job to avoid assulting me."

      Seeing how assault (sexual or otheriwse) is a CRIME, I don't see how anyone can disagree with that sentiment. And yet... most do!

      If you insert ANY OTHER CRIME into that statement, you'll get no argument from anyone. Yet we treat sexual assault like it's something to be EXPECTED. Somehow just par for the course. It's really sick.

      -----------------------------------------
      IMHO
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      • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 1:51 pm ET)
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        What I find troubling is that as a society, we seem to be taking steps backwards in how we treat victims of rape and sexual assault. And not just that we're taking those steps backwards, but doing so happily and willingly.

        What does it say about us as a civilization when we shamelessly refer to a woman being raped as her being "liberated"? Who the hell thinks like that?
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (February 16, 2011 2:46 pm ET)
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          "liberated"?!

          Hmmm... That's a new one for me, but it sure would be evidence of quite a few steps backwards.

          --------------------------
          IMHO
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          • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 17, 2011 11:43 am ET)
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            "liberated"?!

            Hmmm... That's a new one for me, but it sure would be evidence of quite a few steps backwards.


            We're there...

            "So sad, too bad, Lara. No one told her to go there. She knew the risks. And she should have known what Islam is all about. Now she knows... How fitting that Lara Logan was 'liberated' by Muslims in Liberation Square while she was gushing over the other part of the 'liberation.'" Debbie Schlussel,
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    • Author by evelaments (February 16, 2011 1:07 pm ET)
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      CBS correspondent, Lara Logan, was surrounded in Egypt last week by an angry, male mob in the wake of Mubarak’s abdication. Logan suffered brutal and sustained sexual attack until finally being rescued by a group of women. Most Americans feel thankful such a thing could never happen in this country. Don’t be so sure.

      More than forty rapes were reported to police in the small, southern town hosting the oldest public university in our nation during the first three months of the 2010-11 academic year, according to the school’s own newspaper. With approximately 38,000 registered students—presumably about half of whom are male—that makes more than one reported rape for every 500 female students. In a “public ivy” school where female students are commonly referred to as “slam boxes”—especially in the Greek world—most girls know at least one female student who suffered the indignity but chose not to report it to local police. Girls “ruffied” in downtown bars or at frat parties fear the shame and consequences of reporting their attacks. Stories of police threatening victims with arrest or expulsion from school for underage drinking are rampant on campus and help perpetuate the school’s dirty little secret. It would be a long stretch of imagination to believe this university scenario is isolated.

      We came a long way baby to end up where we’ve found ourselves today. Women’s Rights icons like Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem have been replaced by uber-trashy celebrities, proudly releasing their sex tapes, bearing children out-of-wedlock and swearing like sailors. Many reality-show episodes contain more bleeps than dialogue. Though some are quick to blame Steinem or Friedan for encouraging women to insist upon the freedom to behave in any way they like, a read of their literature instructs that today’s cultural mores do not in any way reflect what they preached.

      Hillary Clinton best embodies their vision. Her academic achievements prepared her to hold the nation’s top diplomatic job. Her career did not hinder her raising an intelligent, productive and dignified daughter who knew how to keep her blouse buttoned and her legs crossed. Clinton entertains audiences with clever wit and substantive commentary rather than pageant walking in stiletto heels and winks. She is viciously attacked by media darlings, Rush and Glenn, for daring to exceed their combined intellect by miles, and for choosing to dress and comport herself in a professional manner. Call it the Cialis Syndrome: women being punished for choosing to elevate intellect rather than male apparatus.

      Young men and women can hardly help but fall victim to the Syndrome when Snooki, Bristol and Janelle are so amply rewarded for their lack of taste and diligence. No such excuse exists for the bulk of our society—the baby boomers—whose exposure to high-minded ideals has been stowed away in the attic. It’s time to brush off the dust and speak up.
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    • Author by Vesus (February 16, 2011 1:12 pm ET)
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      Not to minimize any of this..but was she raped or simply sexually assaulted? Both terrible, but one is just a tad worse.
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      • Author by boulderhippy (February 16, 2011 2:03 pm ET)
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        Rape and sexual assault are interchangeable. It just depends on how badly you want to minimize the act.
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        • Author by HughG (February 17, 2011 11:11 am ET)
             
          Not necessarily. Vesus did say that s/he didn't want to minimize it, so your criticism (and those coming from others) seems completely unwarranted.
          From Wiki's "Sexual assault" page:
          "While sexual assaults are associated with the crime of rape, it may cover assaults which would not be considered rape." The reference is to Black's Law Dictionary, presumably a reliable source.
          She was brutally beaten and sexually assaulted. That is terrible, and I have complete sympathy for her and loathing for all those who participated (and admiration for the women who bravely came to her aid). I'm just saying that not all sexual assaults are necessarily "rape."
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      • Author by truth4me (February 16, 2011 2:15 pm ET)
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        Was she raped or simply sexually assaulted? WHAT is the difference???? Wow, you are truly, truly disgusting!!!
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      • Author by geekybookworm (February 16, 2011 3:19 pm ET)
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        According to an AP article it wasn't a rape but a sexual assault and beating. I assume that means no sex forced on her but something else.

        http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/7761442/sexual_assault_of_reporter_lar....html?cat=5

        I don't think either one is really any better or makes her feel less of a victim than the other.
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      • Author by jediknight65 (February 16, 2011 5:32 pm ET)
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        and thank you for marginalizing a woman bein beaten and raped.

        hope you're not married or have daughters.

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    • Author by Mr. Katanga (February 16, 2011 1:48 pm ET)
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      Oh christ! and Magcynic is arguing the semantics of use of a comma in the headline and not the actual article. Typical of the Rights on this board. The fact that you show no reaction to the asinine comments of Pam Gellar and the others shows what side of decency you leave your slime trail.
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      • Author by St1kyFinguz (February 16, 2011 2:07 pm ET)
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        The fact that you show no reaction to the asinine comments of Pam Gellar and the others...

        Hold the Phone... Pam Gellar is probably right about CBS sitting on this story. After all Who would want to ruin the narrative of a "peaceful" mostly Muslim Protest with an inconvenient Rape story? The others are the ones who should apologize.
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      • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 2:34 pm ET)
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        Yeah, I'm a little taken aback at just how much energy he's putting into defending this.
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    • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 2:32 pm ET)
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      "Is Fox really questioning the validity of the story? If not, why the question mark?"

      No. They aren't questioning the validity of the story if you'd just read the very next line in the headline. "Report: Protesters attacked CBS' Laura Logan"

      You literally just have to adjust the focus on your eyes like a millimeter down to read that, no, they aren't questioning the validity of the story.

      Of course, that didn't stop Media Matters from trumping up the notion that Fox News didn't believe the story to begin with.

      As for the rest of the article I could care less about who those people are or what they said. If they truly believe that the rape was the fault of Laura Logan herself then they are simply wrong. It has nothing to do with being a conservative or not.
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      • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 2:35 pm ET)
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        You really should stop. You're starting to come across as kind of creepy spending this much energy defending this story by pretending to explain a question mark.

        Do you even realize how disgusting this is coming across?

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        • Author by worrierking (February 16, 2011 2:41 pm ET)
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          My thoughts exactly. This is one time where any caring human being could see the use of the question mark as improper.

          Mag needs to learn when to stop digging.
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        • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 2:44 pm ET)
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          So you believe that Fox News doesn't think Logan was actually raped? Let's get a simple yes or not on record from you.
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          • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 2:54 pm ET)
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            You have absolutely no self-awareness, do you?
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            • Author by foghornleghorn (February 16, 2011 3:11 pm ET)
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              Exactly. The nutjobs consistently miss the point. The question mark was targeted toward the Foxbots who now will believe forever that there's a question as to whether Logan was attacked.
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            • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 3:14 pm ET)
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              Answer the question. Don't try to cloud the issue.

              Do you or do you not believe that Fox News thinks Logan was never raped?

              If the answer is yes then how do you explain the sub-headline answering the question that, yes, she was raped.

              If the answer is no then what's the point of even including Fox News in this article?

              Take your pick.
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              • Author by thebewilderness (February 16, 2011 4:18 pm ET)
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                Fox is also reporting that some source somewhere said the attackers screamed Jew Jew Jew during the attack.

                I'm sure they put up a question mark though so that makes it okie dokie.
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              • Author by mattcable250650 (February 16, 2011 6:08 pm ET)
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                Yes, I believe Fox News is raising a completely unnecessary and illegitimate question. They didn't have to raise the question. They could have chosen not to insert the question mark in the first place. They consciously and deliberately chose to make themselves look as though they were pandering to misogynistic viewers. As to the subheading, I've addressed that above.
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              • Author by HughG (February 17, 2011 11:16 am ET)
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                Let me explain the sub-headline. It says "Report: Protesters Attacked CBS' Lara Logan."
                It attributes the story to a "Report." That also allows for some doubt. To me, the headline is a question; the sub-headline implies, "Well, it's been reported, but we can't be sure." The sub-headline doesn't "answer" the question at all.
                I'm surprised that you don't see it this way. I can't explain that, other than to say that you must be so utterly consumed with the necessity to defend Fox News, that you're willing to convince yourself of just about anything.
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        • Author by danisme (February 16, 2011 2:57 pm ET)
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          Imbecile, your name describes you well.

          Its just like you leftist nuts to continually take something out of context and fill it with made up stupidity. Saying that FOX questioned the validity of this story by adding a question mark to the headline is like saying you're an imbecile because your screen name is Imbecile. (Note: I think you're an Imbecile because of the incoherant drivel you spout, not because of your screen name)

          Saying that someone is defending a raptist or dismissing the severity of such a crime by pointing out your earlier non-sense is just as absurd.

          MMFA is clearly reaching for straws, and they have been for awhile. They are irrelevant and their agenda clouds their ability to be good journalist.
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          • Author by Imbecile (February 16, 2011 3:07 pm ET)
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            I'd highly suggest you hone your comprehension skills. The punctuation was never an issue for me. Only for the apologists did the question mark become such a focal point.

            The point of this story was the Republican reaction to the sexual assault, as evidenced by the clips produced in this story. It's only from the Republican defenders who are unwilling to call out their fellow Republicans that this became an issue. MagCynic would rather defend his fellow Republicans than call out vile comments as I mentioned earlier.

            And finally, doing the whole name thing? Really? How can you be taken seriously when you engage in elementary, cliched insults like that?
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (February 16, 2011 3:12 pm ET)
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            MMFA doesn't do journalism. Make a note of it.

            See my post above about to whom the question mark is targeted.
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          • Author by mjh (February 17, 2011 6:18 pm ET)
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            "MMFA is clearly reaching for straws, and they have been for awhile. They are irrelevant and their agenda clouds their ability to be good journalist." -- danse macabre


            Someday, the wingnut trolls who come to this board will come to realization that MMfA is not a media outlet -- perhaps after they read the Mission Statement.

            Dunno when, but someday . . .

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      • Author by worrierking (February 16, 2011 2:40 pm ET)
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        I agree. Just like they weren't saying that the president is a Muslim or not born in America on last week's focus group with Frank Luntz.

        They know exactly what they're doing. Reporting yet implying, giving themselves plausible deniability.

        This is a case where any decent human being would have seen how this could be taken, yet once again, MagCynic has to defend Fox, to the death, if necessary.

        There are some things that can't be defended.

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        • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 2:43 pm ET)
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          So you agree with Media Matters that the person who wrote that headline at Fox News doesn't believe Logan was ever raped?

          Yes or no?
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          • Author by St1kyFinguz (February 16, 2011 2:55 pm ET)
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            Not-foNuthin' but I think it's standard procedure for New Fox to put question marks on all it's hot button head lines. It's how the cover their tail if this story is a dud.


            ...complete non-issue...
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          • Author by worrierking (February 16, 2011 3:04 pm ET)
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            The reporter and Fox News do believe that the reporter was sexually molested. I actually do believe that 100%. I'm not arguing that point.

            The question mark gives them cover for their rabid anti-left fans. Fox and right wing media in general are famous for dancing around issues, using question marks in headlines, and reporting what "some people" are saying as gospel, so as not to drive their crackpot base away.

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            • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 3:16 pm ET)
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              You're reading way to much into this. I've seen question marks in headlines concerning murder and rape from a variety of news organizations, not just Fox News.

              And, no, I don't have every link to every time I've ever seen it. Sorry. You'll just have to believe that it's been done numerous times before.
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              • Author by HughG (February 17, 2011 11:20 am ET)
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                Where?
                We don't need "every link to every time (you)'ve ever seen it." If it's so durned common, you should be able to find more than one example. And you really can't tell us that we'll "just have to believe" you.

                Give us examples, or you've got nothing.
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              • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 17, 2011 11:49 am ET)
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                You'll just have to believe that it's been done numerous times before.


                Yeah - given YOUR track record we'll just take your word for it.
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      • Author by cst (February 16, 2011 2:48 pm ET)
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        Serious question, MagCynic. Why have you wasted even a second of your time trying to defend these people when you MUST know it's an indefensible position, and that trying to do so can only make YOU look bad?
        You always give these weird "I could care less/ I'm not a Beck fan/ I don't agree with what was said" disclaimers, but you obviously feel some obsessive compulsion to put yourself in the line of fire and pull out some stupid, semantics- based wordplay to pretend that MMFA is the villian because they ACTUALLY POINTED OUT THE HORRIBLE THINGS A CONSERVATIVE SAID IN A STATEMENT INTENDED FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
        Unlike some people here, I'm fully willing to concede that there ARE intelligent and reasonable conservatives out there; they're the ones that NEVER get mentioned on MMFA because they AREN'T lying, mean-spirited hatemongers. Why do you feel the need to defend the ones that ARE?
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        • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 3:18 pm ET)
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          Let's break this down to its most basic of components and see if you can stay on topic and keep up.

          My comment is ONLY concerning the inclusion Fox News in an article about people blaming Lara Logan for her rape. So let's focus on that.

          What about the Fox News headline: "Journalist Assaulted in Egypt? Report: Protesters in Egypt Attacked CBS' Lara Logan" is indefensible?
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          • Author by cst (February 16, 2011 3:54 pm ET)
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            You've completely ignored my question...as I knew you would; I'm only suprised you offered up an evasive response, rather than simply pretending you hadn't seen it (as you have in the past).
            I suspect YOU don't understand what makes you post here, either.
            But for the record: Theoretically, that Fox headline is totally acceptable... but given that network's history of delibrately doing things like putting "D" after the names of scandal-plagued Republicans, I understand why others here are no longer willing to give them the benefit of a doubt.It's not just that Fox has proven itself untrustworthy; it's that they've REPEATEDLY proven themselves untrustworthy on virtually every issue.
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          • Author by worrierking (February 16, 2011 3:57 pm ET)
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            You may not be aware of the fact that there is rhyme and reason for everything that appears on TV and in newspapers. Every single letter and punctuation mark is important and carefully placed.

            That is and has always been the basis of journalism.
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          • Author by foole (February 16, 2011 4:19 pm ET)
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            This isn't you and me talking over the backyard fence asking, "Hey, was a journalist raped in Egypt?" This is a so-called news operation. They knew it was a fact as you point out yourself because of the 2nd part of the chyron. So, what would be the purpose of the question mark in the first part? It was put there to muddy the issue and to cast doubt on the whole story. There really is no other explanation. This was not conversational...this was a headline.
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            • Author by MagCynic (February 16, 2011 4:51 pm ET)
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              Why would they try casting doubt on the situation while their news anchor specifically talks about the fact that it DID happen?

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              • Author by JimmyCraghorn (February 16, 2011 5:44 pm ET)
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                HMMMM??? Good question grasshopper, when you can answer this, you will be ready to move on.
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              • Author by HughG (February 17, 2011 11:21 am ET)
                   
                The reporter and the headline writer are not the same person. They may have different agendas, or different marching orders from their corporate bosses.
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    • Author by onespeedbiker (February 16, 2011 2:55 pm ET)
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      I'm thinking it was a breaking story that had not been substantiated yet. Other than that the left seems incensed that their narrative is being disrupted. Egypt another Iran? No these are freedom fighters. Best to weight and see as history has a nasty habit of repeating itself.
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      • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 16, 2011 3:37 pm ET)
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        I'm thinking it was a breaking story that had not been substantiated yet.


        No you aren't thinking you are a lying POS trying to obfuscate on behalf of the rw filth that took joy in a woman's rape simply because of her politics.
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      • Author by Mr. Katanga (February 16, 2011 4:04 pm ET)
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        You do realize that this story broke last evening and the above was this morning, right?

        But sure....whatever. The only thing FOX News is ever at Live that breaks are California Car chases
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    • Author by PBVV (February 16, 2011 4:04 pm ET)
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      Sometimes there just is not much we can do in response to the degenerate commentaries of the Right's rabid dogs, But on this one we can.
      REAL Journalists all across this nation should speak up and respond to the commentary of these rabid wanabee's.

      I am emailing these MMFA articles to every real journalist and honest news analyst in my address book, Thanking those who have already published a response and asking all others to swiftly publish responses to the commentary of these vulgar, vile degenerates.

      No decent woman with a healthy, normal and proper sense of right and wrong could ever even suggest that a beating-rape victim is at fault and is responsible for being beaten and raped.

      These rabid bittches in that pack of dogs have proven with their commentaries on this horrible crime, that they are completely devoid of anything resembling a sense of right or wrong.
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    • Author by doughpro1604643 (February 16, 2011 4:39 pm ET)
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      I really think that mmfa has really gone over the edge this time. The twist and spin here is so blatantly petty that mmfa looks like nothing more than a group of envious, whining, resentful children.

      It would be hilarious, if it weren't so pitiful.
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      • Author by jediknight65 (February 16, 2011 5:35 pm ET)
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        i think whats even more hilarious is that your defensing fox when they are trying to marginalize a raped woman just because she isnt conservative
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        • Author by doughpro1604643 (February 16, 2011 6:09 pm ET)
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          I think it's strange that the only people using the word "rape" are the blogs, the social sites, and the op-eds.
          Even CBS, whom she works for, has not used the word "rape". I would like to know how anybody can claim to know what really happened, since CBS is not talking about it.
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          • Author by jediknight65 (February 16, 2011 6:28 pm ET)
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            yeah and when she gets interviewed and says rape herself........i think your gonna look pretty stupid and be rated somewhere on the scale of life between primordial ooze and the dirt next to a gas station pump
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            • Author by doughpro1604643 (February 17, 2011 1:07 pm ET)
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              No, I will not. I am not making any assumptions on what happened to her based on what CBS has stated, especially since CBS (the only one with the "inside story" has not mentioned "rape".
              Maybe she doesn't want to be pasted all over the internet as being raped by a bunch of dirty animals who probably haven't bathed in days or weeks because they are too busy protesting for freedom.
              How about showing some sensitivity to the victim, and wait until she actually does (if she ever decides to) make that statement herself?
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    • Author by jediknight65 (February 16, 2011 5:45 pm ET)
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      ya know whats really funny.....if a male fox reporter was accused of raping an muslim woman......they wouldn't breathe a word.
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      • Author by doughpro1604643 (February 16, 2011 6:13 pm ET)
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        Muslim men wouldn't care. They would say nothing since Muslim women are nothing more than property. If she were married, she would probably be buried up to her neck and stoned to death for committing adultery. If she were single, her father would kill her for dishonoring their family.
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        • Author by jediknight65 (February 16, 2011 6:30 pm ET)
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          but of course you miss the point.......where does the male fox reporter answer for his actions.......

          the obvious answer since you omitted it.....is from you....there wouldnt be any action. you would simply ignore it.

          i bet your wife and daughters are so proud of you
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          • Author by doughpro1604643 (February 17, 2011 10:56 am ET)
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            and of course, you miss my point.

            .they wouldn't breathe a word.

            maybe you would make more sense if you described who "they" is?

            the obvious answer since you omitted it.....is from you....there wouldnt be any action. you would simply ignore it.

            and how could you possibly know that? From my response to your vague comment?
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        • Author by JoeSixpack (February 17, 2011 10:45 am ET)
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          This is absolutely brilliant. In your idiotic view, "Muslim men wouldn't care" equals "she would be buried up to her neck and stoned to death, or killed by her father." Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. I know that whenever I don't care about something, I almost always bury someone and stone them to death. That's how I show how uninterested I am.
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          • Author by doughpro1604643 (February 17, 2011 11:01 am ET)
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            Okay, let me specify for the anally retentive:
            Muslim men wouldn't care if a Muslim woman were were "raped" by a "fox news reporter". They would care more about how it looked to other Muslims, or how it dishonored their family. She would then be dealt with, and not in a court of law.
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    • Author by doughpro1604643 (February 16, 2011 6:02 pm ET)
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      How the hell can you have a problem with the Fox news brief this morning? Problem with the question mark? It's called responsible reporting on an incident, the specifics of which have not yet been confirmed, and will not be, since CBS is not disclosing any more information.
      Is there a problem with this article? It doesn't give too many specifics either. In fact, it says nothing about rape, so where would any confirmation of rape come from this morning?
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      • Author by highlyunlikely (February 16, 2011 7:38 pm ET)
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        That's funny. Of all the adjectives - weaselly, dishonest, passive-aggressive - which can describe the question mark use, "responsible" is not one of them.

        On a related note, your Blind Faith in all things FOX is not particularly endearing or noble.
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        • Author by doughpro1604643 (February 17, 2011 11:21 am ET)
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          On a related note, your Blind Faith in all things FOX is not particularly endearing or noble

          It's not intended to be. At least on Fox one can tell the difference between opinion and reporting.
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    • Author by doggeddem (February 16, 2011 8:51 pm ET)
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      Lara Logan is one of the most courageous and expert correspondents on Middle East issues in the media. How she looks is not her fault, nor is it her fault that she was sexually assaulted. What is unforgiveable is the petty jealousies exhibited by the idiots on the right-wing who think that all you have to do is just say "islam" and nothing else matters. I hope she finds healing in the hospital and when she is surrounded by family and close friends. This should not have happened. I am sure that she would say that she knew that reporting from Egypt would be dangerous, just as has been her reporting in several other zones of crisis she has been in. She should be applauded and prayed for, not attacked by a bunch of empty-headed twits who haven't got the common sense to keep their whining, pusillanimous mouths shut when decorum is required.
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    • Author by johnbrown (February 16, 2011 11:04 pm ET)
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      I don't see "journalists" like Carlson and blabbermouth Debbie Schlussel going to Egypt risking their lives reporting.Schlussel is just a nasty right winger with a blog who'd go on Howard Stern's show and Gretchen sits in a comfortable studio and just agrees with her Obama hating co-hosts on everything.Lara is very brave to go these places in the world that are dangerous for any reporter and even worse for a female journalist.Lara should be commended for her bravery and I hope she recovers from being assaulted.For those right wingers too afraid to report on anything outside the U.S. and have the luxuary of sitting back and judging everything and everybody(ex:Liz Trotta) you are the worst.
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    • Author by MaineiacMan (February 17, 2011 10:13 am ET)
         
      Kudo's to MM4A for this thread.
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    • Author by newzhound (February 17, 2011 11:11 am ET)
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      The comments from the right wing nutz over at Newsbusters fall into these general categories:

      A. She had it coming - liberals are stupid and believe the mob was out to protest in favor of democracy and freedom; or for the way she was dressed;

      B. What else can you expect from Muslin savages?

      and/or

      C. "Sorry" it happened - but she'll learn her lesson from it; and other correspodents could stand to learn the same.

      Cretins.
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      • Author by MaineiacMan (February 17, 2011 11:58 am ET)
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        Seems to me that whole Egyptian uprising has been reported as a Democratic uprising by the people of Egypt who are seeking freedom. Then after Mubarak's resignation it was reported upon as a celebration.

        Were those Egyptian men celebrating when they sexually assaulted her and chanted "Jew, Jew, Jew" as they did it?
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        • Author by doughpro1604643 (February 17, 2011 12:22 pm ET)
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          Chaos creates chaotic events.
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        • Author by mjh (February 17, 2011 6:24 pm ET)
             
          "Seems to me that whole Egyptian uprising has been reported as a Democratic uprising by the people of Egypt who are seeking freedom. Then after Mubarak's resignation it was reported upon as a celebration." -- maniac


          In contrast to FOX, who reported the uprising as Egyptians "not knowing what they want", and calling for Mubarak's support -- then, after Mubarak's resignation, saying "Obama lost Egypt" . . .

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      • Author by doughpro1604643 (February 17, 2011 12:18 pm ET)
           
        Don't remember reading those comments...
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        • Author by MaineiacMan (February 17, 2011 1:05 pm ET)
             
          Celebration - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41533529/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/

          Democracy - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41529355/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/
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          • Author by doughpro1604643 (February 17, 2011 1:29 pm ET)
               
            I was asking about the newsbuster comments that newzhound was referencing.
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