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Beck Enters Full-Fledged Mad Max Mode

March 22, 2011 4:50 pm ET by Ned Resnikoff

Earlier today, Glenn Beck's website The Blaze posted an audio file purported to depict former SEIU employee Stephen Lerner speaking to a small crowd at a left-wing convention in New York City. In the clip, the man The Blaze identifies as Lerner suggests that citizens and community organizing groups exert pressure on the financial system through a campaign of strikes and civil disobedience.

It shouldn't surprise anyone that Beck blows the import of the clip way out of proportion. But what's truly remarkable is that Beck responds to that supposedly dangerous rhetoric with full-throated apocalyptic panic:

BECK: They will force the banks -- according to this plan outlined, you will see it at TheBlaze.com -- they will force the banks to refinance all of the state loans, all of the county. And the banks will not be able to do it. And he says that's the plan, to bring them to the edge of financial collapse. Because if we can cause enough chaos, if we can bring them to the edge of financial collapse, we can collapse the system and we can cause another financial crisis. Now who in their right mind thinks another financial crisis is a good thing? And who thinks this government is going to be able to survive?

There are anarchists, there are communists, there are even people who claim to be patriots. "I want anarchy, well take it down." I'm telling you, millions will die all around the world. Mark my words: the United States of America goes down, and millions will die. If this country goes down, you better grab on to your neighbor, you better grab on to your Bible, you better grab on to your gun, you better grab on to everything and everybody that you love. Forget your stuff, and you better congregate together and stay together and get on your knees. Because I've got news for you: chaos is what will rule this country. Either that or an iron fist.

It's as if Beck doesn't hear the words coming out of his own mouth. Calling for strikes and civil disobedience is tantamount to "economic terrorism," but threatening that the United States government will collapse, predicting that "millions will die," and urging your listeners to prepare to "grab on to your gun" is indicative of a level-headed, well-reasoned assessment of the situation?

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    • Author by mmfa.fan (March 22, 2011 4:56 pm ET)
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      Does anyone listen to that loser anymore?
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    • Author by nerzog (March 22, 2011 5:04 pm ET)
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      Sounds like a wet dream for all the Teabagger Militias.
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      • Author by Mass (March 22, 2011 5:45 pm ET)
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        This conspirator,aka-Strephen lerner, was taped advocating people to stop paying their mortgages and students to stop paying off their student loans, in order to collapse the U.S. financial system and stock market. He should be thrown in jail for conspiring to disrupt the United States financial system!4 official visits to the White House,and an SEIU member,his influence is profound and dangerous to the country!
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 23, 2011 5:44 pm ET)
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          Yes, the bankers that actually caused an economic collapse should not go to jail. But, this speech should cause someone to go to jail. Wonderful.
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          • Author by teeman1957 (March 24, 2011 9:41 am ET)
               
            There should have been some bankers along with some politicians go to jail for the economic collapse they caused. I don't think you can put Lerner in jail for his speech but if he actually begins putting that plan into action then I think he should go to jail too.
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      • Author by pete592 (March 22, 2011 5:49 pm ET)
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        If not them, who is he speaking to the loudest and clearest?
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    • Author by MeanMrSpicyMustard (March 22, 2011 5:06 pm ET)
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      I was wondering why he announced he was broadcasting live from Thunderdome today.
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      • Author by raynfala (March 22, 2011 5:16 pm ET)
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        Hey! Get your facts straight: Master Blaster rules Bartertown!
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    • Author by djur (March 22, 2011 5:07 pm ET)
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      Didn't Beck compare himself to an anarchist and call George Washington an anarchist just, you know... days ago?
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    • Author by Imbecile (March 22, 2011 5:16 pm ET)
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      He's going to start opening his show with his new catchphrase: Who loves you, and who do you love?
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    • Author by EEprom (March 22, 2011 5:27 pm ET)
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      So, what Mr. Lerner said is inaccurate?
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    • Author by cindiv30 (March 22, 2011 5:29 pm ET)
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      If you people think we're not going to do something about this, you are wrong. You can put out your fake reply all you want....

      Enough is enough.
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    • Author by brennan4572 (March 22, 2011 5:30 pm ET)
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      Stephen Learner of course is only kidding--right! this man is a trator who advocates the over through of our government and economic system--do you know how serious this is? So you want to live in a one room apartment , drive a 50 chivie, and redistribute your wealth--ho no not my wealh only yours!!!
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    • Author by jwood1952 (March 22, 2011 5:31 pm ET)
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      Don't know folks I did hear the speech from Stephen Lerner. What Beck claims here is true. You may not like Beck, that's cool, but when an American is planning to undermine our economic structure for his own gain, which is what Lerner is promoting, I personally think that's in no one's benefit. And Lerner needs to be spoken to, at least.
      No one has the right to conspire against our nation. This Lerner is a moron. i understand that Lerner is very tight with the DOJ. If that's the case, is the DOJ aware of this guy? If they are then we're in a lot of trouble.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 23, 2011 5:46 pm ET)
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        i understand that Lerner is very tight with the DOJ. If that's the case, is the DOJ aware of this guy? - wood

        What does that mean?
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    • Author by bazinga5209 (March 22, 2011 5:38 pm ET)
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      Ideas are harmless until implemented -- and even Beck's rantings are questionable, and often hyperbole, for maximum effect. If you do listen to this tape, and consider the consequences of this "idea," it actually is a bit daunting. Right now, we do have thousands of people who have "elected" to stop paying their mortgage because they are under water. This differs greatly from those who CAN'T pay, and even they still have a responsibility to try to meet their financial obligations. As a homeowner myself, and one who has paid regularly and built up so-called equity in my home, it's a frustrating scenario to consider that many people are now gaming the system, so to speak. And, while it might be considered a "far left wing" movement of little significance, the ideas espoused in this tape are of legitimate concern, WHEN they are organized, focused and implemented (as described by the speaker!!) for the intent of creating substantial enough instability as to be used as a "weapon" to fundamentally undermine the financial strength and well-being of our country. Sure, it is outrageous to think it could reach that level, but there doesn't seem to be a question that this speaker "conspires" (yes, it seems to rise to that level) to a specific and corrupting purpose. It seems to me that such a purpose and act is tantamount to a form of terrorism of a different sort, but nonetheless, a legitimate and worrisome one.
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    • Author by EEprom (March 22, 2011 5:40 pm ET)
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      Has anyone here even listened to the audio on Blaze.com from Mr. Lerner? If you have, are you ok with what you heard?
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    • Author by exlib (March 22, 2011 5:50 pm ET)
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      Not surprised to see that the above story does not refute the Beck story or deny that any sort of organizing exists to carry out it's purported mission. The story is then followed by multitudes of one-line insults with no argument to the article that was put on Beck's site. Here's the orig. coverage of this story on the Business Insider site. http://www.businessinsider.com/seiu-union-plan-to-destroy-jpmorgan . You modern libs like to discredit the person by making fun of them in order to kill the story. Pretty shallow, I say, but carry on if you will. Oh, and by the way, all the poor spelling and grammar is a good example of how the US is falling behind, and our tax dollars are wasted on public schools. Thanks for making the conservative's point!
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    • Author by beDecent (March 22, 2011 5:59 pm ET)
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      It sounds like this "financial crisis", as described by Lerner, wouldn't be a crisis for the goverment, but one for the bankers, and the People would retain true ownership of their money.

      Reminding them whose money they're sitting on doesn't sound like a bad idea. They clearly haven't gotten the message yet.
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      • Author by ninthave (March 22, 2011 6:22 pm ET)
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        The People, how noble. You are so naive. If someone like Lerner succeeds in producing what he is talking about you'd better hope you don't get labled as one of "them"! As far as I'm concerned someone with his beliefs wants to screw up my life for his political and ideological agenda. I'm getting ready to fight. How many jobs has he created. These fricking unions are leeches, they create nothing, and milk whatever system they can for everything its worth.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 23, 2011 5:47 pm ET)
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          Yes, labor creates nothing. Only Glenn Beck, the creator, is able to create anything. Who are you fighting?
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      • Author by O'Rlly? (March 22, 2011 10:20 pm ET)
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        It sounds like this "financial crisis", as described by Lerner, wouldn't be a crisis for the goverment, but one for the bankers, and the People would retain true ownership of their money.



        Let me get this straight. Banks would collapse under the strain of hundreds of thousands of defaultings on mortgages, and you think that wouldn't affect regular peoples money?

        Regardless of its true or not, I'm just pointing out your logic has a flaw. If banks collapse, who will lend loans, and other financial matters? With loss of available credit, many businessess would face extreme hardships, and the economy would collapse.
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        • Author by beDecent (March 23, 2011 7:22 am ET)
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          "...bring them to the edge of collapse..."

          Keywords are key.

          Right now, homeowners are collapsing under the strain of foreclosed homes that they haven't eve defaulted on, some haven't even missed a payment. They aren't lending because their risky lending of late put a lot of people in financial ruin.

          Clearly they have not yet gotten the message.
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        • Author by txconservative (March 23, 2011 11:38 am ET)
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          Well said...of course, we do live in a country that is full of sheep! BAAAAAAAAH
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 23, 2011 5:48 pm ET)
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          That is what we were on the brink of, ORlly? Where have you guys been? It was the bankers that destroyed the credit market. Not talk about it in a theoretical speech. Actually did it. How many of them have you Beckers gone after and thrown in jail? I know, I know you are too busy blaming Egypt on Van Jones and Code Pink. Simpletons.
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      • Author by On.Second.Thought (March 22, 2011 11:58 pm ET)
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        The money belongs to the people who work for it. Simple as that. Need a loan? Then it's NOT YOUR MONEY.
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      • Author by Rampart (March 23, 2011 2:06 am ET)
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        Sheesh...This may be the biggest collection of upside-down-thinking morons on the planet.

        Do anyof you geniuses remember what happended the last time the banks/stock markets collapsed...? Apparently not...

        The Federal Gov't BAILED THEM OUT WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS! To clarify--Government does NOT create wealth...It only confiscates it from YOU.

        So while you brilliant marxists "remind" the bank whose money "they're sitting on," your leftist government brethren will be confiscating more money out of YOUR POCKET to prevent the banks' failure yet again.

        Get it yet...? You clearly haven't gotten the message about ECONOMIC REALITY.

        As for Glenn Beck: He's one of the few humans making a shred of sense these days--His track record for identifying what's about to happen is impossible to dispute--It's purely empirical at this point. If you're all too jaded/moronic/damaged/unethical to understand what he's explaining then you're of no use to anyone.

        Drop the bong, take a class on economics and quit hanging out with the losers on this site--This ridiculous pseudo-proletariat gig is a dead end.
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        • Author by beDecent (March 23, 2011 2:34 pm ET)
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          As for Glenn Beck: He's one of the few humans making a shred of sense these days--His track record for identifying what's about to happen is impossible to dispute...


          Joke of the day!
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          • Author by Rampart (March 24, 2011 3:01 am ET)
               
            Yuck it up, beDecent...Yuck it up. You are as the lowly fiddler on the listing deck of HMS Titanic.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 23, 2011 5:51 pm ET)
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          Yeah, it is really hard to dispute when you provide zero evidence to support it. You could not make it on a 9th grade debate team with this tactic.

          Why don't you explain your hero, Beck's ideas on Egypt. Who were all of these players and how were they actively involved with each other? How did they cause the overthrow of Egypt? What should we have done differently? And, how is their Muslim Caliphate taking over Europe? These are the simple questions that any reasonable, thinking human being would ask someone who makes the same ridiculous statements as Beck. I am sorry you are neither reasonable nor thinking.
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          • Author by Rampart (March 24, 2011 2:57 am ET)
               
            Your unfounded contention that Beck does not provide ample evidence, references and AUDIO/VIDEO proof to support essentially everything he conveys reveals that you do not--Can not--Watch Glenn Beck's show with any regularity and have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

            As for Egypt: Here are a couple of "concerning" setbacks to the well-reasoned, gadget-clad's neat-o effort to bring democracy:

            GlobeTribune Reports: "As Egypt looks to its future without Hosni Mubarak, a leader with a considerable following is emerging. Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi is a leader with disturbing parallels to Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini...Like Khomeini, who fled to Paris during the rule of the Shah, Qaradawi fled to Qatar. Khomeinei maintained a following in Iran with taped sermons that were smuggled into the country. Qaradawi’s reach into Egypt was by satellite television, where he became known as a sort of “dear Abby” of the Muslim world along as a scholar of Islamic law.

            Qaradawi’s speech last Friday in Tahrir Square was attended by a million people. His followers, the Muslim Brotherhood, clearly were directing the show. Anyone attending the rally with a different view of Egypt’s future was in for a rude awakening. Andrew Sullivan of the Daily Dish quoted John Hinderaker as follows.

            One of the western media’s favorite Egyptian rebels is Google executive Wael Ghonim...Ghonim was present on Friday and intended to address the crowd, but he was barred from the platform by al-Qaradawi’s security. He left the stage in distress, 'his face hidden by an Egyptian flag...'"

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            Google News:

            "CAIRO — Islamists hurled stones and shoes at Mohamed ElBaradei, Nobel Peace laureate and a secular contender for Egypt's presidency, as he tried to vote Saturday in a referendum on constitutional amendments.

            "We don't want you," the mob shouted, throwing stones, shoes and water at the former UN nuclear watchdog chief as he turned up at a Cairo polling station, five weeks after president Hosni Mubarak was ousted by mass protests.

            ElBaradei beat a retreat to his car and left without voting ...
            Muqattam is close to the scene of recent deadly clashes between Egypt's Christian Copt community and Muslims."

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            Seems like you brain-children should spend a little more time keeping up with reality and a little less time playing World of Warcraft.


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          • Author by Rampart (March 25, 2011 4:50 am ET)
               
            Your unfounded contention that Beck does not provide ample evidence, references and AUDIO/VIDEO proof to support essentially everything he conveys reveals that you do not--Can not--Watch Glenn Beck's show with any regularity and have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

            As for Egypt: Here are a couple of "concerning" setbacks to the well-reasoned, gadget-clad's neat-o effort to bring democracy:

            GlobeTribune Reports: "As Egypt looks to its future without Hosni Mubarak, a leader with a considerable following is emerging. Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi is a leader with disturbing parallels to Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini...Like Khomeini, who fled to Paris during the rule of the Shah, Qaradawi fled to Qatar. Khomeinei maintained a following in Iran with taped sermons that were smuggled into the country. Qaradawi’s reach into Egypt was by satellite television, where he became known as a sort of “dear Abby” of the Muslim world along as a scholar of Islamic law.

            Qaradawi’s speech last Friday in Tahrir Square was attended by a million people. His followers, the Muslim Brotherhood, clearly were directing the show. Anyone attending the rally with a different view of Egypt’s future was in for a rude awakening. Andrew Sullivan of the Daily Dish quoted John Hinderaker as follows.

            One of the western media’s favorite Egyptian rebels is Google executive Wael Ghonim...Ghonim was present on Friday and intended to address the crowd, but he was barred from the platform by al-Qaradawi’s security. He left the stage in distress, 'his face hidden by an Egyptian flag...'"

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            Google News:

            "CAIRO — Islamists hurled stones and shoes at Mohamed ElBaradei, Nobel Peace laureate and a secular contender for Egypt's presidency, as he tried to vote Saturday in a referendum on constitutional amendments.

            "We don't want you," the mob shouted, throwing stones, shoes and water at the former UN nuclear watchdog chief as he turned up at a Cairo polling station, five weeks after president Hosni Mubarak was ousted by mass protests.

            ElBaradei beat a retreat to his car and left without voting ...
            Muqattam is close to the scene of recent deadly clashes between Egypt's Christian Copt community and Muslims."

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            Seems like you brain-children should spend a little more time keeping up with reality and a little less time playing World of Warcraft.
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    • Author by Jollymon (March 22, 2011 6:01 pm ET)
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      "If this country goes down, you better grab on to your neighbor, you better grab on to your Bible, you better grab on to your gun, you better grab on to everything and everybody that you love. Forget your stuff, and you better congregate together..."

      Wouldn't your bible and gun and everything you love be "stuff?" Oh wait, he almost always contradicts what he just said in the following sentance. Silly me.
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    • Author by ninthave (March 22, 2011 6:15 pm ET)
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      He is calling for a "mortgage strike" to collapse the banking system. If this is really Lerner than Beck is right on. If our banking and financial system totally collapses, which it sounds like this person wants, we are all F***ED! The speech is loaded with "those people" who run the world stuff. If these people succeed with this type of goal, then what next? You better hope you aren't considered one of them!
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 23, 2011 5:53 pm ET)
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        They will establish a Muslim Caliphate in Europe. Oh sorry, that was Beck's speech from a few weeks ago. But, it was OK to attack those people, just not these people. You Beckers sure are confused about what you are supposed to be afraid of.
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    • Author by HenHouse (March 22, 2011 6:23 pm ET)
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      bekkie said the same thing, reboot, reset the banks... let it all come down....

      listen
      http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200912100019
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      • Author by On.Second.Thought (March 23, 2011 12:22 am ET)
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        Good point, but I think he was referring to it as happening naturally, not as a planned sabotage. I think it's a little weird that we should be OK with a group of Americans planning to topple our financial system. Why is that OK? If it's such a horrible system, then let it collapse under its own weight.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (March 22, 2011 6:46 pm ET)
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      BECK: I'm telling you, millions will die all around the world. Mark my words: the United States of America goes down, and millions will die. If this country goes down, you better grab on to your neighbor, you better grab on to your Bible, you better grab on to your gun, you better grab on to everything and everybody that you love. Forget your stuff, and you better congregate together and stay together and get on your knees. Because I've got news for you: chaos is what will rule this country. Either that or an iron fist.

      Come on...who says Beck is fear mongering?

      I think I'll go for a walk...
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      • Author by pete592 (March 22, 2011 10:08 pm ET)
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        Careful, every street that's not running with blood is on fire.
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      • Author by On.Second.Thought (March 23, 2011 2:21 am ET)
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        I have a better idea. Let's give 50% of our paychecks (regardless of income) to fund the government's bureaucracy and redundant programs for the people who a are professionally unemployed... Now that I think about it - we need a new federal department to oversee this new program. After all - they should be giving up 50% of their income as well. A nation cannot sustain itself when it pays the people, then taxes the people, simply to pay the people it taxed...all the while running up the deficit.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 23, 2011 5:54 pm ET)
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          Come outside sometime. There is a whole big real world out here. You are missing it. Our taxes are not as high as they have ever been. You need to stop listening to hate radio. It is killing your brain cells.
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          • Author by teeman1957 (March 24, 2011 9:56 am ET)
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            While tax rates have been higher at other times in our history I think the question is how much money is enough? Our Government has been spending close to 4 trillion a year. That seems excessive to me, regardless of what our tax rate may be.
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    • Author by clearstate (March 22, 2011 7:37 pm ET)
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      I've tried listening to this guy but my ears start to bleed.
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      • Author by Nostraquedeo (March 22, 2011 7:43 pm ET)
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        I tried listening to you but the same thing happened.
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      • Author by prosperousamerica (March 22, 2011 7:59 pm ET)
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        What do you think of Stephen Lerner's idea to have everyone not pay their loans in May of 2011 as a mass protest?
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    • Author by JamesB (March 22, 2011 7:55 pm ET)
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      What?

      This article is focused on Beck's words but not "Stephen Lerner's" words?

      Did Stephen Lerner not explicitly lay out a plan to disrupt and harm the financial intuitions of America?

      Yet the article writer and the posters ignore that at their own peril?

      Don’t you all have a savings and retirement funds vested within the financial institutions? Would a Dow Jones collapse and a chaotic reaction from the people not be harmful to most of us?

      Why are you burying your heads in the sand over ideology while some (Stephen Lerner) are trying to harm us all in the name of chaos?

      Wake up people before it is too late.
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    • Author by USNAJoe (March 22, 2011 9:04 pm ET)
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      OK OK OK I get it. You all don't like Glenn Beck. Any excuse to slam him will do.

      But is anyone of you disturbed by Lerner's desire to cause a 2nd economic crash? Have a little intellectual honesty. Do you really believe that this kind of economic chaos can take place without hurting the poor and the middle class the most?

      Even Lerner knows his tactics are repugnant to America's sense of fair play. Why else would he seek to conceal the roles of union organizer's. I don't dislike socialsts. I dislike socialsts who are ashamed of themselves and their devious tactics.
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      • Author by highlyunlikely (March 23, 2011 2:41 pm ET)
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        shorter first paragraph: I don't get it. Even though it's simple.
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    • Author by HenHouse (March 22, 2011 10:43 pm ET)
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      oh never mind...some things never change.
      August 23, 2006 6:54 pm ET
      Beck, Carlson noted that apocalyptic August 22 predictions were wrong; Beck still foresees a "world war of biblical proportions"

      Having previously floated August 22 as the possible date of Armageddon, CNN Headline News host Glenn Beck and MSNBC host Tucker Carlson admitted on the August 22 editions of their respective programs that the date had not, in fact, brought about the end of days. But the lack of apocalyptic events on August 22 didn't stop Beck from warning, "I have been throwing a lot of scarier scenarios your way lately, and some of them may or may not come to fruition. But if they do ... we are going to be experiencing the joys of vaporization."

      On the August 9 edition of his CNN Headline News program, Beck had declared that August 22 "is the day that Israel might be wiped off the map, leading to all-out Armageddon," and "could be the day that agnostics get down on one knee and start to pray, 'Sweet Jesus, are you coming today?' " Responding to a viewer email critical of his coverage of the issue, Beck declared on the August 22 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck: "I wasn't predicting Armageddon today.

      http://mediamatters.org/research/200608230009
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      • Author by PBVV (March 23, 2011 12:55 am ET)
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        Yep, SSDYear.

        Here we are 4 1/2 years later and Beck STILL has not done his homework on the subject.
        He uses all the right buzzwords but it is most obviuos that he has no real clue what "The End of Days", "Armegeddon", "The Apocolypse" "The AntiChrist", etc etc actually truly mean or even where they are located at within the Bible!
        For Beck it is all just another way to run his scam and sell his product---the product being Glenn Beck himself.
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    • Author by On.Second.Thought (March 22, 2011 11:56 pm ET)
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      Yes, Beck gets excited and can be over the top...but that straw man is getting old. What was said in the original audio that Beck reported on? Any truth to that? Why were those things said?



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    • Author by cst (March 23, 2011 10:58 am ET)
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      [Beck Enters Full-Fledged Mad Max Mode]

      There's ALREADY a Beck lookalike in the MAD MAX films- it's Toady, the chubby little guy who acts as The Lord Humungous' fawning announcer, warning people how bad it'll be for them if they don't do EXACTLY what his Powerful Australian Boss wants them to do.
      In his one attempt to act on his own, he accidently cuts his own fingers off by trying to catch a boomerang.

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    • Author by txconservative (March 23, 2011 11:37 am ET)
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      Is anyone even reading the article??? The author bashes Beck saying "It shouldn't surprise anyone that Beck blows the import of the clip way out of proportion." At no point does the author explain how "Beck blows the import of the clip way out of proportion", nor does the author deny that Stephen Lerner's words and organizing against banks are true. What kind of reporting is this?! Show me the proof that Stephen Lerner isn't proactively seeking the collapse of certain banks and, I promise you, millions of people will no longer listen to Glenn Beck. Otherwise, this author, along with thousands of other "journalists", are just part of a smear campaign. Getting people riled up to hate others...what in the world is our country becoming?!
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    • Author by Notreallyalib (March 23, 2011 12:16 pm ET)
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      So you all liberals out there condone Lerner's plan? It doesn't matter if the plan will work or not. It matters that he actually trying it. It's called domestic terrorism. But basically that's what SEIU and community organizer do. Organizing people to destabilize a large company and then the U.S. financial system isn't simply "peaceful" civil disobedience.

      Did anyone listen to the tape! Why was he, Lerner, worried about police in the room?

      Or is it that MediaMatters doesn't condone this plot they don't believe it was Lerner.
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      • Author by teeman1957 (March 23, 2011 4:17 pm ET)
           
        Lerner's comment about police in the room was a joke.
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        • Author by Notreallyalib (March 23, 2011 5:24 pm ET)
             
          So you were you there? Or was it the nervous laughter you heard in the room that suggest to you it was a joke? Maybe just the people in the room took it that way. Was his whole lecture/plan a joke or just the part about the police? I like the way the only thing you objected to was the part about the police. Me saying this plan is domestic terrorism and not simply peaceful civil disobedience wasn't challenged. Interesting, I take it you do believe it was Lerner and you would support his plan. I'm I wrong. Do you believe an organized effect to destabilize our countries financial system is domestic terrorism? Where do you stand on this issue.
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    • Author by Notreallyalib (March 23, 2011 12:38 pm ET)
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      It’s funny how the uber left likes to hide who they are. They don’t care if people ,poor people, will be poorer if they succeed in this plan. They believe the more they make people dependent and poor they can and will blame it on the rich. What will they do when they realize the very people organizing them are rich. When will they turn on them. Socialism and or Marxism and Social Justice is the utopia of making everyone equally miserable except for a few elitist who think they can central plan a complex society better than letting the economic system run freely and correct it own problems. Neither system is prefect but Socialism and all it’s form is a disaster. A free Capitalistic society built on respect for individual liberties, equal justice under the law and Creator given rights has made more people more comfortable, better feed, and has produced more wealth for more people, rich, middle class and poor then any other economic and political system ever established in the history of our planet.

      Our U.S. Constitution and more specifically our current, in place, form of Government is the oldest of all the still active Governments in the World today. I wonder how much longer it will last the way people are trying to tear her apart.
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      • Author by highlyunlikely (March 23, 2011 2:43 pm ET)
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        your mistake was to assume nobody was on this old thread anymore.
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        • Author by beDecent (March 23, 2011 2:50 pm ET)
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          Notreallyalib clearly copied and pasted that comment from somewhere else. Is it me, or has this thread been infiltrated by Beckbots all at the same time? 5:27-5:50PM are simultaneous comments saying basically the same thing, and even the timing of the others is curious. They're all Beck talking points.
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          • Author by highlyunlikely (March 23, 2011 3:16 pm ET)
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            I'd bet anything these guys are working in concert. But I don't see them on any other threads. Maybe later? They do seem to assume that because they're stupid we are as well.
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            • Author by beDecent (March 23, 2011 3:23 pm ET)
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              They're all new screen names--I only know that because My Comments under myMediaMatters showed six responses to my first comment on the thread, but they didn't show up until today--until they were approved, I presume.
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          • Author by Notreallyalib (March 23, 2011 5:06 pm ET)
               
            Yes, they are copied from another blog... I'm Liberty_Hound in the mediaite.com blog. I didn't copy someone words. They are my own. These words may sound the same as others because these ideas and thoughts are not unique to myself. We conservative libertarians don't need talking points. We think for ourselves.
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          • Author by Notreallyalib (March 24, 2011 4:02 pm ET)
               
            I am new to this MM blog and apparently I'm automatically on probation. I posted an answer to your accusation over 24 hours ago and the mediators haven't seen fit to approve the message. There is no disrespectful language on the post. I joined what I do believe is a liberal site and more so an anti-Glenn Beck site to offer a difference of opinion since at the time it was one of the few sites that was in some form discussing the Stephen Lerner story. And singing to the choir doesn't accomplish anything. I did this on my own. No one suggest I do this. I'm not part of an organized conspiracy. At this point I'm beginning to believe MM is just censoring me because of my conservative views. They will probably eventually post my response but 24 hours is a long time. I believe they are just waiting for this thread to run it course, which it probably already has, before posting it. So much for MM being fair. Most blog site have a report abuse button so new people can go head and join the conversation and if they get abusive they will be reported. In other words we police ourselves. I believe at this point MM considers dissenting opinions abusive. There is no other reason I can think for right now them to be this slow.
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    • Author by teeman1957 (March 23, 2011 3:58 pm ET)
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      So let me get this straight. The "WatchDog" MM says the audio is purported to depict former SEIU employee Stephen Lerner speaking to a small crowd at a left-wing convention in New York City. Then goes on to slam Beck for his conjecture on what the outcome would be if Lerner's plans were successful. How is that performing responsible journalism to uncover lies being reported by the Conservative media?

      If MM believes the audio is not Lerner or is in some way doctored then why not do some investigative reporting and uncover who is behind that?

      As for slamming Beck for what he believes the results could be if Lerner's plan is successful, why not report on how the plan can not be successful or how the results would not be as dire as Beck thinks it could be. Beck gave his opinion of what the results would be, he was not reporting anything as fact. So how does this MM article uncover lies being reported as fact by the Conservative media???
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      • Author by highlyunlikely (March 23, 2011 4:37 pm ET)
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        beD: another new one counting on not being rebutted? Or delayed from being posted because he's on probation?
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        • Author by beDecent (March 23, 2011 6:05 pm ET)
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          LOL They're crawling out of the woodwork!
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          • Author by highlyunlikely (March 23, 2011 6:18 pm ET)
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            They're proliferating. A bunch of them have been released a day after posting by the gatekeeper and it's clear they're coordinated. I must admit I don't get the point. Their arguments are transparently bogus and, whether or not they believe their own hype, obviously not persuasive. Are they trying to convince someone of their superior thinking or being disruptive for its own sake?

            On another thread - it's so hard to keep track - someone presents himself as an attorney and another as a professor. The old credential tactic. The attorney's long-winded stupefy-them-with-your-mumbo-jumbo posts are still getting shredded, while I can't remember who lectured the prof on his painfully bad grammar. If they think we're that dimwitted it's because they don't know how it is not to be.
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            • Author by highlyunlikely (March 23, 2011 6:22 pm ET)
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              oh, guess what? "I can't remember who" is YOU! Most excellent denunciation, deD.
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              • Author by beDecent (March 23, 2011 6:28 pm ET)
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                Haha I was excited that he said he was a teacher and then wrote so horribly!
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            • Author by beDecent (March 23, 2011 6:27 pm ET)
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              Oh yes, that was me who ripped the teacher's post to shreds--although there may be more. He wrote "alot", "out weigh" and "foremostly", while the overall structure was horrible...I refuse to believe someone who writes like that is an educator at any level.

              It's interesting, but it must mean that MMfA is getting into the right-wing echo chamber more and more--which is a good thing. If MMfA was as off base in their assessments as the trolls would like you to believe, they wouldn't talk about the site.
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              • Author by highlyunlikely (March 23, 2011 6:36 pm ET)
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                And somebody had to go to the trouble of summoning and organizing this band of cons, again, for what purpose? The funny, almost eerie, thing is the timing. Of course it could be a coincidence but on the same day that squawks is squashed and several other usual suspects are suspiciously inactive this new crop appears, as if to replace the tired, old workers. Though to be honest I get the impression that they're not really related events, that the absentees are just doing whatever, taking the day off from their gigs making amorphous mischief while the new crew was brought in for more specific, nefarious reasons by a much bigger player in the con game circuit.
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          • Author by prosperousamerica (March 23, 2011 9:12 pm ET)
               
            Do you guys have an oponion of Stephen Lerner's plan to bring down the stock market?
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        • Author by teeman1957 (March 24, 2011 9:35 am ET)
             
          Rebutt what? If the audio isn't who Glenn Beck says it is then I would like to know who it is and why it was done. Is that somehow an unreasonable thing to ask? If it is all fabricated we should know who did it and why.

          As for what Beck thinks the result of the plan being successful, I never said I agreed or disagreed. I would simply like MM to present their views instead of just bashing Beck. There is no value to simply reading articles bashing someone they don't agree with. Instead providing their point of view and explaining why they think differently is what I want to read about.
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      • Author by beDecent (March 23, 2011 6:06 pm ET)
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        Read the last paragraph and try again.
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    • Author by teeman1957 (March 24, 2011 9:22 am ET)
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      It seem many people on here believe there is a concerted effort by some "conservative group" to make numerous, simultaneous posts with views that differ from yours. It is like you are conspiracy theory nuts just like you say Glenn Beck is, weird.
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