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GOING GREEN: How News Corp. Cashes In On Both Sides Of The Climate Fight

April 21, 2011 10:28 am ET by Sarah Pavlus

"Climate change poses clear, catastrophic threats," Rupert Murdoch declared in a 2007 speech announcing News Corp.'s new climate initiative. "We may not agree on the extent, but we certainly can't afford the risk of inaction."

"We can do something that's unique, different from just any other company," said Murdoch. "We can set an example, and we can reach our audiences. Our audience's carbon footprint is 10,000 times bigger than ours.

"That's the carbon footprint we want to conquer."

Four years later, News Corp. has achieved its goal of carbon neutrality. Yet no media outlet in the United States does more to aggressively undermine climate science than Fox News. The network regularly distorts data, fabricates controversies, and smears climate experts. One of Fox's top editors has even ordered reporters to cast doubt on the basic fact that the planet is warming. And Sean Hannity has used his Fox show to tell viewers that global warming "doesn't exist."

The contrast between what News Corp.'s chairman says and what its employees actually do is a stark illustration of the company's attempt to play both sides of the climate issue.

When Murdoch launched his company-wide initiative to radically reduce News Corp.'s carbon footprint and combat climate change, one business expert said that it "could be one of the most brilliant strategic moves I've ever heard of."

With Fox News, explained Joe Priester of the University of Southern California, News Corp. had secured a lucrative spot with conservative consumers but had alienated those at the opposite end of the political spectrum. By launching its climate initiative, the company could make a play for more liberal consumers too.

But now Murdoch's attempt to promote -- and profit from -- contradictory messages on climate change could put News Corp. on a collision course with its green-conscious advertisers, as environmental organizations that have partnered with the company start to speak out on the damage being done by Fox News.

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Both Murdoch and his son -- heir-apparent James Murdoch, who has cultivated an image as an environmentally-savvy businessman -- have heralded the financial benefits of News Corp.'s climate initiative. The company's focus on energy efficiency has, they say, saved it millions of dollars while simultaneously cutting carbon emissions.

But News Corp.'s climate program -- officially named the "Global Energy Initiative" -- boosts its bottom line in another important way: it's very appealing to advertisers.

During his 2007 launch speech, Murdoch said the initiative was, in part, about "how we develop relationships with advertisers," later adding, "Our advertisers are asking us for ways to reach audiences on this issue."

Three years after Murdoch's kickoff event, Liba Rubenstein, the director of the initiative, made a similar case at a conference hosted by the Pew Center on Global Climate Change. "[W]e see great opportunity in incremental revenue from various companies who want to promote their own green practices on our platforms, and so it's important for us to be a legitimate platform for that, if they're going to spend their dollars with us," she told attendees.

There's an undeniable disconnect between the climate-activist image News Corp. promotes at a corporate level and the skepticism Fox News dishes out to audiences on a regular basis.

Successfully profiting off of both, therefore, requires some serious spin from corporate representatives.

In News Corp.'s annual report, shareholders are told Fox News is an "unstoppable" profit machine, with ever-increasing affiliate and advertising revenues, and a reach that spans "over 98 million Nielsen households."

Similarly, in the run-up to negotiations with cable distributors this year, News Corp. chief operating officer Chase Carey told an investor conference, "Fox News Channel, in terms of finding a channel that has the enormous importance to its segment of the market is second only to ESPN."

Setting the stage for significant fee increases, Carey said, "That's what you live for in the cable business to have a channel that a sizeable segment of the audience needs to have. We head into our renewals on Fox News later this year in a big way. We have an opportunity to move Fox News to a place where we are able to capture the inherent value and importance of that channel to the marketplace out there."

But when speaking to a different constituency -- environmental advocates -- News Corp.'s message changes significantly. At last year's Pew Center conference, for example, Rubenstein actually downplayed the reach of Fox News.

In a panel discussion, the Pew Center's Katie Mandes asked Rubenstein how News Corp. "interface[s] with Fox News," which Mandes described as "particularly representative of the skepticism" on climate change.

In her response, Rubenstein did not deny that Fox News promotes climate change skepticism. Rather, she said it was an issue of "corporate versus editorial" and that the company would never "mandate" content in any of its businesses. Rubenstein then suggested that relatively speaking, the network wasn't watched by very many people.

"Fox News," said Rubenstein, "only reaches a few million":

It's also important to remember, we are -- everyone here is very focused on the U.S., certainly the world is looking at the U.S. from a political perspective to be a leader, but for us, when we think about reaching a billion people, Fox News only reaches a few million, so, in the grand scheme of things for my initiative, when we're talking about penetration and awareness, what we do in India and China, is also very important. I'm not going to say more important, but it certainly reaches a lot more people. So Fox News is obviously influential, but it's not large, compared to Avatar, compared to our films and our TV shows. So, that is, for us, a lot of where we spend our time because the reach is much broader.

News Corp. has built an extremely successful cable news brand around a variety of high-profile personalities -- such as Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck -- who broadcast climate misinformation on a regular basis.

These hosts tell their audiences: "The debate's over. There's no global warming"; "We're in a cooling period"; and "Do I believe scientists? No. They've lied to us about global warming."

[READ: Fox News' Top 10 Lies About Climate Science]

This misinformation campaign has spread across the so-called divide between Fox News' "news" and "opinion" programming. An internal directive straight from the top of Fox's Washington news bureau -- sent by Washington managing editor Bill Sammon in the middle of global climate change talks in December of 2009 -- ordered the network's journalists to "refrain from asserting that the planet has warmed (or cooled) in any given period without IMMEDIATELY pointing out that such theories are based upon data that critics have called into question."

The Sammon email prompted harsh criticism from the Union of Concerned Scientists, former Vice President Al Gore, and groups cited by News Corp. itself as authorities on climate change. The Los Angeles Times editorialized: "Instructing reporters to treat such facts as controversial is like telling them to question the laws of gravity when discussing plane crashes. The only reason for doing it is to further a partisan agenda, in this case an attempt to cast doubt on climate science in order to fend off government efforts to limit greenhouse gases."

All of this may pose problems for News Corp.'s strategy of pursuing environmentally conscious audiences and advertisers.

Professor Kim Sheehan -- an expert in advertising and brand planning at the University of Oregeon who has worked on issues related to environmental messaging -- told Media Matters that certain green-conscious advertisers could do damage to their brands by advertising on Fox News.

In an email, Sheehan said, "If a green message talks about efforts to combat climate change and it airs after a Fox News report on climate change being a sham, that is clearly not good. Since this is out of advertisers' control (ie placement relative to content) it would seem like smart brands with that particular type of message would avoid Fox News. A different type of message, like the SunChips compostable bag, might be less risky and so those brands might be OK."

Shortly after Sammon's email was publicized, Zoe Tcholak-Antitch of the Carbon Disclosure Project -- a non-profit climate organization that has partnered with News Corp. and other companies seeking to reduce emissions -- told Media Matters, "It is very disturbing to hear of [Sammon's] e-mail because it just goes further to sow seeds of doubt among the American population then makes it more difficult for the politicians to stand up for any type of legislation on climate change if they want to get elected."

She added, "It obviously does have an impact on the American public. We are facing an issue that needs to be dealt with in a timely fashion. The danger is that this delays action."

(Lawmakers apparently share this concern. Last year, Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham reportedly feared a Fox News-led backlash against cap and trade legislation, urging Sens. Joe Lieberman and John Kerry to advance the ill-fated climate negotiation process as much as possible before Fox could find out about it.)

In an interview, the Pew Center's Mandes also outlined the damage Fox News' inaccurate reporting does, telling Media Matters over email that "any major network has the potential to impact public perception" and that "[m]ajor news outlets, such as Fox News, which is trusted by so many Americans, therefore have a special responsibility to translate and present this information factually and with as little ideological bias as possible."

"Unfortunately, while the Pew Center has participated in a couple of straight-forward, fact-based news interviews with Fox News journalists," said Mandes, "I have seen too many examples on Fox of inaccurate coverage of climate change science and economics."

The Pew Center, which is widely regarded as a trusted source on climate change, is also touted by News Corp. as one of its energy initiative partners.

Asked if Rupert Murdoch's stated commitment to addressing global warming -- particularly through audience engagement, which the company maintains is its most powerful outlet for affecting change -- can be taken seriously if the company refuses to rein in Fox's misinformation, Mandes responded: "If News Corp. meets its commitments to limit its carbon footprint through the use of more clean energy, that's a good thing, but the organization would likely have a much greater impact if it reported the news of climate science and economics in as factual and unbiased a way as possible."

Mandes said that Fox News has contributed to the continuing partisan divide over global warming in the U.S. -- a trend that was documented in a recent Pew Research Center study (an organization independent from the Pew Center on Global Climate Change).

"Much of Fox's coverage ... mischaracterizes the fundamental scientific facts of climate change," Mandes said. "Whether by accident or design, these mischaracterizations tend to mirror the mischaracterizations repeated by many leading Republicans. Given that people gravitate to those news sources that affirm their already held views, that Fox News is favored by most Republicans, and that Republican leaders have been using climate change as a wedge issue, it is hard to escape the conclusion that Fox News is contributing to the partisan divide over global climate change."

A University of Maryland study released last December found that those who "watched Fox News almost daily were significantly more likely than those who never watched it" to believe -- mistakenly -- that "most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring."

According to Clay Ramsay, one of the authors of the study, "Among those who reported that they watch Fox News 'almost every day,' a higher 60% had these beliefs -- compared to 30% who said they never watch Fox News."

Asked about Rubenstein's comment at the Pew conference that "Fox News only reaches a few million" people, Ramsay told Media Matters, "It is possible that the characterization of the Fox News audience as 'a few million' is meaningful from the standpoint of advertisers focused on steady, loyal viewers. Another standpoint is to focus on people's sources for factual information. 

"In our study, 34% reported that they used Fox News as a news source 2 to 3 times a week or more.  Projected onto the US adult population (approximately 185 million), this is 63 million people."


News Corporation and Rubenstein did not respond to requests for comment. 

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    • Author by David2012 (April 21, 2011 10:37 am ET)
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      Rupert Murdoch cares about one thing, and one thing only -- power. He is the most despicable, most destructive single human being in the last twenty-odd years. Mercifully, these have not been a particularly interesting period in human history, nor is this man a particularly interesting person.
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      • Author by tbone (April 21, 2011 10:46 am ET)
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        He is the most despicable, most destructive single human being in the last twenty-odd years.

        Over the top much? Google Parade's list of worst dictators and reclaim some perspective.
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        • Author by GreenLantern (April 21, 2011 11:06 am ET)
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          Huh? Parade's list of worst dictators does not include murdoch?
          How could that be? (To clarify, they are specifying dictators!)

          I agree with David! Perhaps he should have narrowed it down to the most destructive to America. Nice snarky reply, that really has nothing to do with what David was trying to say. Also glad to see you use Parade as your source of news. (I like Howard Huge myself1)
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          • Author by tbone (April 21, 2011 11:38 am ET)
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            Dictators aren't human beings?
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            • Author by GreenLantern (April 21, 2011 11:55 am ET)
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              Not sure how you got that from my reply. Can you clarify?
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            • Author by Deluded (April 21, 2011 12:05 pm ET)
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              Dictators are human beings who do repulsive, and sometimes downright inhumane things.....to others of course.

              I may be a bit off about the "sometimes" part, but meh.
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            • Author by CrashGordon (April 21, 2011 2:18 pm ET)
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              I believe GreenLantern was saying that the list you referenced is a list of the worst dictators. Though I don't necessarily agree , it is possible that the worst human being is not a dictator and therefore wouldn't be on your list.
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              • Author by HeeNow (April 21, 2011 8:03 pm ET)
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                You're right. The worst human beings are the climate "experts"; by whose measure?

                These people can't predict the temperature next week, yet they purport to be able to 50 years from now? Based on faulty, improperly installed, and non-technologically interpreted 150-year-old data? Not to mention all of the global cooling and warming the Earth (not the "planet"; that could be Saturn) has endured over the last 4 billion years.

                You ignoramus tree-huggers don't have very big minds, but by god they are certainly made up. Time to drop it. The U.S. congress will not act anytime in the near future.
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                • Author by GreenLantern (April 21, 2011 9:05 pm ET)
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                  My example of wing nut logic.
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                  Science. (in simple terms)
                  In the 70's climate scientists believe that the earth will begin to cool due to natural cycles where temperature peaked in the dust bowl era. Instead the global temperatures are inexplicably going up. Science looks to the possible answers and finds that Carbon gasses have been going up in such a way as to somewhat mirror greenhouse gasses.
                  So it looks like, instead of temperatures are going down, they are actually going up at a rate that corresponds to man made green house gas increases. So, it makes logical sense that man made green house gasses are increasing the temperatures instead of them going down like they should in a natural cycle.
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                  Wing nut logic.
                  Well fake news and glenn beck told me that global warming is a hoax and it snowed last winter. Then those scientists in the 70's told us we were heading into an ice age, now those phd idiot are telling us the earth is getting hotter! which are it? They cant both be write! And thoose electronic emails are proofe!
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                  :)
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                  • Author by HeeNow (April 21, 2011 9:57 pm ET)
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                    Categorizing skeptics as illiterate buffoons makes you no less an idiot. It actually enforces it.

                    Besides, you need to convince congress, not me. Try some of that illiteracy on them. In the meantime check out the ice melting on Mars.

                    Good luck, doofus! You, and yours, are going absolutely nowhere. Get used to it.
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                    • Author by GreenLantern (April 21, 2011 11:02 pm ET)
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                      Categorizing skeptics as illiterate buffoons makes you no less an idiot. It actually enforces it.
                      Because I have dome some actual research and found the evidence to be overwhelming, I am an IDIOT? If you research something and your beliefs are challenged, then open minded intelligent people adjust their belief to accept what is true!
                      If you are a skeptic that the earth is round, that is not a viable stand. And it should NOT BE! (I feel the same with climate science)

                      In the meantime check out the ice melting on Mars.
                      We do not have enough empirical evidence to make any accurate, certain conclusions about what is happening on Mars! What is happening on Mars is observable but does not correlate to an equal affect on the Earth. This may be a coincidence, and I am leaving my mind open on that issue. (I have also read a lot of interesting things about that as well)

                      Good luck, doofus!
                      doofus and idiot in the same post. Nice name calling! Keep defending fake news lies, I am sure that money they pay you really lets you sleep peacefully at night! :)
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                    • Author by spiritcaller4585 (April 22, 2011 2:57 pm ET)
                         
                      Ice melting on Mars, huh? And we've been tracking that ice for how long?
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                    • Author by mikehuck76 (April 22, 2011 4:52 pm ET)
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                      A skeptic who tries to conflate climate science with his local TV weatherman is, in fact, a buffoon. Sorry, HeeNow.
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                • Author by mikehuck76 (April 22, 2011 4:51 pm ET)
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                  HeeNow, you actually call other people ignoramuses while telling us that you believe climate scientists are the same as your television weatherman. You are a very sad case. I hope someone helps feed and clothe you.
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          • Author by RavenRog (April 22, 2011 12:52 pm ET)
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            Most destructive to liberal America.

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        • Author by dkylep (April 21, 2011 11:14 am ET)
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          While his comment was indeed over-the-top with regards to Murdoch being such a horrific person, your reply demonstrates your utter negligence with regards to knowing anything about the world around you. Parade? Really? That's what you're going to use as your rebuttal to demonstrate that he has no perspective? Unimpressive, to say the least, and very unflattering to you, to reflect that your information on who bad dictators are comes from something as trivial as Parade.
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          • Author by tbone (April 21, 2011 11:33 am ET)
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            The simple point is that calling Murdoch the most destructive human being of the last 20 years is vituperative nonsense. This is in league with "Obama seeks America's destruction". I reserve the right to criticize the hyperbolic on either side of the argument.

            Feel free to Google your preferred authority on destructive persons. Parade was the first quick reference that came to mind. If you think that unflattering to me so be it.
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            • Author by dkylep (April 21, 2011 1:03 pm ET)
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              I'll agree with this. I don't like how you're telling the guy to gain perspective. To my mind, at least, things like Parade simplify issues like this down to absurdly stupid little articles. People read garbage like that and presume to call themselves 'informed' about whatever the article was about. My main complaint with your first post is based around that. However, I do wholeheartedly agree with your statement of:

              The simple point is that calling Murdoch the most destructive human being of the last 20 years is vituperative nonsense. This is in league with "Obama seeks America's destruction". I reserve the right to criticize the hyperbolic on either side of the argument.


              I don't think that David is really thinking things through here. To call Rupert Murdoch the most destructive human being in the past twenty years.......it's a bit beyond absurd.
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              • Author by CoolSlaw (April 21, 2011 3:04 pm ET)
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                Clearly Murdoch is the most destructive person in the last 20 years to worldwide journalism and American politics.

                He may not be the most destructive person in the world, but being the most destructive to two important institutions that help shape the direction of the free world is nothing to take lightly.

                A dictator might unleash horrific evils upon his own people or neighbors through violence and heinous acts of depravity. Murdoch seeks to undermine the safeguards of democracy and reason that have moved America and it's closest English speaking allies to the forefront of world power and ultimately justice in comparison to many of the alternatives around the globe.

                Certainly the American people who embrace the ignorance and oversimplified alternate reality presented by Fox are culpable in the ongoing demise of America's greatness. However, authoritarianism moves from top to bottom, and Fox news is happy to provide the misinformation appealing to those who are already underpaid and over scheduled, creating a false fantasy world where the people who are perverting all their traditional values and taking away their opportunities for a better life are presented as their saviors against the "other" who have neither the wealth or power to accomplish what they're constantly being scapegoated for.
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        • Author by David2012 (April 21, 2011 11:24 am ET)
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          I just want to confirm my comment. I believe that to be true.
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          • Author by boulderhippy (April 21, 2011 11:37 am ET)
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            It was very interesting in Rwanda. 800,000 killed. Do you really believe an entertainment mogul rises to that kind of evil?
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            • Author by Turkeysocks (April 21, 2011 12:32 pm ET)
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              Boulderhippy, there are several different degrees of evil, same with good.

              There are those who go outright and commit crimes, and then there are those who scheme and slowly build up to something. And even when things ultimately culminate to their desired conclusion, they rarely get caught because they always have a fall guy, and they always do some great sweet talking.

              Trying to compare what happened with Rwanda to what Murdoch is doing is a strawman argument. Your trying to create an atmosphere where the only "evil" people in this world are those responsible for such heinous actions.

              Things are not black and white, and evil is not just one thing or another.
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              • Author by dkylep (April 21, 2011 1:08 pm ET)
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                As much as I despise boulderhippy and his usual comments, he's doing no such thing here. David was the first one to bring up (and then reaffirm) his comment that Rupert Murdoch has been the most destructive and despicable human being of the past twenty years. This is rubbish. Absolutly and totally so. Boulderhippy was, in this case, simply responding to David within the parameters of the statement that David made. Your comment about explaining the different types of evil should be better focused towards David, because he is the one that originally set the 'groundrules' with his outrageously overblown comment about Murdoch.

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                • Author by Turkeysocks (April 21, 2011 2:17 pm ET)
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                  I don't believe Murdoch is the most destructive and despicable human being, but I do think he is a destructive and despicable human being. Call it business, call it being an entrepreneur, but Fox News and Fox Business News isn't doing all this without Murdoch's approval. He has a hand in the BS that they are spreading, and he has continually backed up their inane babbling IE Beck.

                  My response is for Boulderhippy because David did not call Murdoch evil, he just called him the most destructive and despicable human being in history. And I will say I do not agree with that comment 100%, but I do believe that Murdoch is a destructive and despicable person. He's personally pushed through lies and misinformed Americans in the past IE the 2004 election he sent out memo's telling people to concentrate on the fact Kerry threw out his medals from his services in the US Armed forces when there was no evidence he did so.

                  And frankly, his comparison of a schemer like Murdoch to the Rwandan Massacre is a strawman, an attempt to mislead what David actually said.

                  We are all allowed to have out own opinions, but Boulder is attempting to mislead us by inserting the word "evil". When evil is added, it completely changes the meaning of what David was getting to.

                  And like you Dkylep, I don't think he's the most destructive and despicable person in the last 20 years, but I do believe that he is a destructive and despicable person. After all, he created Fox News Channel to push through a Republican agenda under the guise of a News Channel. And I shouldn't have used evil in my response either.

                  But my point is that there are many different shades of gray in the world. And you can't compare something like what happened with Rwanda to what Murdoch has been pushing.
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                • Author by Boswell (April 21, 2011 5:25 pm ET)
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                  his OPINION which bumhole took as a personal insult as then proceeded to add his own insults into the mix. deliberate and directed insults unlike David
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            • Author by Daria Black (April 21, 2011 1:51 pm ET)
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              Yes. Because he is influencing people to destroy themselves and those around them with false and misleading information. It's the same as convincing someone they can fly and then giving an apathetic shrug when they jump off a bridge to test their ability.

              You could argue that people should be smart enough to see through the BS. But the fact that Fox News has an audience invalidates that argument.
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            • Author by David2012 (April 21, 2011 5:55 pm ET)
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              To which individual human being do you attribute the massacres in Rwanda?
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          • Author by dkylep (April 21, 2011 12:59 pm ET)
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            David2011, I'm sorry, but while I may disagree with tbone on his method of demonstrating to you that Murdoch is the most destructive person in the past twenty years, I can't say how much I disagree with your statement. It's beyond absurd.

            There have been people in the past twenty years that have committed such atrocities as to make your toes curl and your conscience run shrieking into the night at the sheer horror of it all. To compare Rupert Murdoch with somebody like Baby Doc, or the warlords in the Sudan, or the leaders of the Taliban, Suharto, etc, is absolute rubbish.

            Yes, Murdoch is a bad man for the things that he does and promotes. But please get some perspective, as tbone advises. Massively overblown hyperbole is not going to help anybody do anything beyond exaggerate issues to the realm of lunacy. Go read a book on the recent history of the world and you'll discover multitudes of people that are scales worse than Murdoch is in terms of sheer nastiness and destructiveness.
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            • Author by David2012 (April 21, 2011 5:58 pm ET)
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              I think Murdoch has done his best to destroy everything that Western civilization holds dear for his own self-aggrandizement, personally.
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        • Author by BobbyG (April 21, 2011 4:03 pm ET)
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          I too agree with David. Murdoch is a despicable human being for what he has his media network do in the name of news.
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        • Author by Boswell (April 21, 2011 4:31 pm ET)
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          and just when did Parade become the site of record on who is the worst person(s) in the world? and if Dick Cheney ain't on that list it is simply wrong on a major scale
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      • Author by DAWUSS (April 21, 2011 11:00 am ET)
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        I think money ranks highly on his list of cares as well
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      • Author by David2012 (April 22, 2011 12:04 pm ET)
           
        I would like to affirm my original comment. It's true, in every respect.
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    • Author by MidnightWriter (April 21, 2011 10:47 am ET)
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      So, Rupert Murdoch is to Climate Change what Jack Abramoff was to casinos.

      Scruples? Ethics? Bah! Not when there's big bucks to be made.
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    • Author by GreenLantern (April 21, 2011 11:14 am ET)
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      That is why this class of liar is so harmful.

      He says, "We need to address climate change!"
      He does, "Get the idiot ratings and deny it as much as possible so that people will actually destroy the planet faster so we will have more disaster stories to tell on our fake news channel!"

      Just like other liars we have seen in the news lately.
      He runs on, "fixing the economy"
      He does, "destroy unions, give tax breaks to wealthy, then starve children and take away health care from elderly!" (guess who?)

      See how cons are like fake news? Their flagrant lies hurt people. They say something but do something else. before you vote next time, look at their voting record compared to what they ACTUALLY DO! Look out for the liars! They did not "mispeak" they were not "mis-quoted" THEY LIED.

      MILLIONS OF HUMAN BEINGS ARE BEING HURT HERE! YOU CONS WILL BE NEXT! (I know, over the top........ :)
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      • Author by boulderhippy (April 21, 2011 11:20 am ET)
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        MILLIONS OF HUMAN BEINGS ARE BEING HURT HERE!
        Who are these "millions"?
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        • Author by cakesphere (April 21, 2011 11:35 am ET)
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          Are you seriously that dense, boulderhead?
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        • Author by GreenLantern (April 21, 2011 11:37 am ET)
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          As the ice caps melt and weather is becomming more extreme, you are seeing fires that are wiping out huge areas such as Russia last year, Texas this year, (The irony that some of the most avid climate change deniers are getting some of the most damaging climate change results) More and more aggressive storms. More droughts. Harder winters on our East coast and the West coast of Europe. (Predicted more then a decade ago) All these things affect PEOPLE.

          Letting the cons lie constantly on air and then doing things that don't help or fix the economy while hurting seniors and children affects PEOPLE. More extreme hurricanes, tornadoes, fires, all those things affect PEOPLE. Oh, and don't forget the MILLIONS AFFECTED when bushie lied us into attacking a country that did us no harm! Just to name a few.
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          • Author by Aaron Burr (April 21, 2011 11:58 am ET)
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            The normal climate for this planet since Homo Sapiens appeared has been ice age. A situation we are still coming out of. The reason man has flourished over the last 10,000 years or so is good weather. It won't last forever, regardless of what we do. Let's ignore the race for grant money to "prove" AGW, spurred on by those who wish to control every aspect of our lives. Watermelons.
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            • Author by congero6189599 (April 21, 2011 12:56 pm ET)
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              I always enjoy the way you substantiate your post with facts and links.
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            • Author by dkylep (April 21, 2011 1:11 pm ET)
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              Aaron Burr, that has to be one of the single dumbest comments I've ever seen written about climate change. Kindly desist posting about such things until you have even the barest idea of what it is that you're talking about. I didn't think it was humanly possible to fit that many inaccuracies into such a small body of text, but you've managed it. Unreal.
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            • Author by whatIthink (April 22, 2011 1:05 am ET)
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              Well, you'd better have a sit down with Palin and the other religious, right, ultra conservative creationists who think that the earth is only 6,000 years old. So, thank you for proving that Palin is in fact a moron, although I'm sure that wasn't your main pont. But, then again, consistency amongst conservatives doesn't exit.
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            • Author by mikehuck76 (April 22, 2011 4:54 pm ET)
                 
              The reason man has flourished over the last 10,000 years or so is good weather. It won't last forever, regardless of what we do. - Aaron

              Wow. Once again, Aaron throws up his hands in defeat. To he11 with the great grandkids, they are doomed anyway. How selfless of you, Aaron.
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          • Author by boulderhippy (April 21, 2011 12:04 pm ET)
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            Fires happened before the industrial age. The more agressive storms aren't materializing like you say. Harder winters have been attributed to la nina a naturally occuring phenomena. Yoou just don't have the proof it takes to say 100% of these are man made.
            Throwing in the war is a fine little hypocritical attempt. Are you protesting Libya?
            Throwing in the economy is another attempt to deflect attention away from your lame examples of man made horror.
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            • Author by cakesphere (April 21, 2011 12:20 pm ET)
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              Even if all of your points were true (I don't have the time nor patience to research it all at the moment) why SHOULDN'T we take care of the environment, reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, and overall make the world a cleaner, better place?

              Seriously, WHO THE FRACK CARES IF CLIMATE CHANGE IS OCCURRING (for the record: it is). WHY SHOULDN'T WE TAKE CARE OF THE EARTH?
              It houses all life on this planet. We have yet to find another planet with intelligent life. Why is it so bad to take care of it?

              Every time I hear some unintelligent right-winger spouting talking points and whining about energy-efficient light bulb laws or some other nonsense, I just want to grab them by their shoulders and shake them.

              I clean my apartment. I take out the trash. You (probably) do the same. Why can't we do the same with the earth? After all, it is humanity's house.

              Oh, wait. I know why. It's because it's not PROFITABLE in the short term. God forbid taking care of the only planet we have get in the way of money.

              I weep for our children.
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              • Author by boulderhippy (April 21, 2011 1:30 pm ET)
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                I have been saying pretty much the same thing you are saying. The AGW cult doesn't believe people can do the right thing unless they are scared by some story.
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                • Author by MiniTru (April 21, 2011 2:06 pm ET)
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                  I have been saying pretty much the same thing you are saying.
                  If you have, your words have come out saying the exact opposite of what you meant, then. I'll chalk it up to your ignorance and lack of communications skills.
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                • Author by CoolSlaw (April 21, 2011 3:16 pm ET)
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                  I have been saying pretty much the same thing you are saying. The AGW cult doesn't believe people can do the right thing unless they are scared by some story.


                  The big difference being that the AGW cult doesn't have any SCIENCE to back up their claims that aren't researched by people working for the industries that will continue to profit the most from our apathy.

                  Follow the money, boulderhippy. You can't say the same thing for these climate scientists. You think the grant money they fight over is anything like the paychecks coming from the big fossil and nuclear fuel producers to their "experts"?

                  Even if the legitimate climate experts were motivated by greed as some right wingers idiotically suggest, you think these guys with all their PHDs and doctorates would pick the side they've chosen?
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            • Author by GreenLantern (April 21, 2011 12:24 pm ET)
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              Sorry, my point is that lying is bad. Sorry you don't think so.
              Yes, I protested Libya. I know I can't throw out any number of facts to convince you otherwise. But I will continue to protest the lies from fake news and try to live as green as I can.
              Also looks like you are condoning lying about the economy too. So what if children go hungry so millionaires can hoard more money that they squeeze out or our United States of America.
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              • Author by boulderhippy (April 21, 2011 1:37 pm ET)
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                I will never be able to discuss this with someone like you that has been so indoctrinated in the liberal theology that they think they can call people nasty names for disagreeing with them.
                You cannot see differences of opinion are different than truth and lies. Tell me where I condone lying about the economy. I don't and yet you will still go on believing you are correct.
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                • Author by GreenLantern (April 21, 2011 1:53 pm ET)
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                  I did not call you names.
                  BH
                  Throwing in the economy is another attempt to deflect attention away from your lame examples of man made horror
                  This is a statement that I took to mean you agree with fake news. Me using the economic lies they spout as an example of harmful lies to bolster my point about suffering seems to mean it is either OK with you that those lies hurt people or you just don't want to admit it. (willfully ignorant)
                  That is OK, you have your philosophy, I have mine.
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                  • Author by boulderhippy (April 21, 2011 2:40 pm ET)
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                    So, by pointing out that you are off topic and shotgunning liberal talking points, you feel justified in calling me a liar?
                    I stick by my premise that you are so indoctrinated in liberal philosophy that you feel you have the right to call people names without any proof.
                    That is OK, you have your philosophy, I have mine
                    Look in the mirror and ask yourself if you want to be so closed minded and assume the worst of you fellow man. It really is not "OK" if it means dehumanizing people with whom you disagree.
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                    • Author by GreenLantern (April 21, 2011 3:03 pm ET)
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                      OK, perhaps part of my post was somewhat off topic, but I feel the main thread is about how low fake news will go to push it's agenda. It means lying about many things, not just about already proven climate science.
                      I already know I tangent off too often trying to get my point across.
                      If you support lies, and then repeat them, and then try to indoctrinate others with them, and then ignore the evidence that disprove them, then I guess that makes you a liar. (There, I finally said what you accused me of, but I had not done yet!) I don't post here a lot, but I read here fairly regularly and I see you on here a lot.
                      I already know what you do here and while accusing me of being off topic, I did not read a single thing in your post about fake news lying. Or why you keep trying to defend it. Actually, most of your posts don't keep focus. Hmmm.
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                    • Author by Boswell (April 21, 2011 4:53 pm ET)
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                      when has being off-topic ever stopped you from posting your paid troll posts and ignorant talking points?
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                    • Author by yoiksaway (April 21, 2011 6:59 pm ET)
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                      What's this, boulderhippy replying? Really? Somebody touched a nerve.

                      Here's a goodie:
                      "The more agressive storms aren't materializing like you say."--boulderhippy

                      Here's someone I'll believe about storms rather than boulderhippy:
                      "Several peer-reviewed studies show a clear global trend toward increased intensity of the strongest hurricanes over the past two or three decades."

                      And I like your impossible condition of requiring proof that "100% of these are man made". Ahhh, the simple world, where there is black and there is white, where there is one cause for one effect, where the sun revolves around the earth. That sets science back about, what, about 800 years? Oh, wait, maybe he wasn't talking science..

                      Stay hip!
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                • Author by CoolSlaw (April 21, 2011 3:20 pm ET)
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                  I will never be able to discuss this with someone like you that has been so indoctrinated in the liberal theology that they think they can call people nasty names for disagreeing with them.


                  Cop out!

                  You posted this under GreenLantern's comment, and he didn't do any name calling.
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                  • Author by mikehuck76 (April 22, 2011 4:58 pm ET)
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                    Poor fatboulder, quintessential modern day right-winger. Always the victim, even if they have to create the victimhood out of whole cloth. He deserves our sympathy.
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    • Author by FNC Liberal (April 21, 2011 11:51 am ET)
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      You don't know Bossman Murdoch. His concerns are money, power, controlling and purchasing as many media and digital/Internet companies as possible. Having Murdoch control what you see and hear is just as dangerous as climate change.

      College dropout Sean says global warming doesen't exist, but don't expect Sean to go on the air and call Murdoch's views on climate change crazy talk. He'll be fired on the spot and so will any News Corporation employee who goes public criticizing Murdoch.
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    • Author by beDecent (April 21, 2011 12:01 pm ET)
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      Some people only have values that begin with dollar signs; to them, it doesn't matter what they say or what they do, or how contradictory some of their actions may be--as long as they keep making that green.
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    • Author by Penon (April 21, 2011 12:04 pm ET)
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      It's politically beneficial from a business perspective for News Corp. to be pro-environment, accepting the view that the phenomenon of 'global warming' is occurring. But it's also politically beneficial from a political perspective to deny the same - or at least claim it's a normal event, human activity is not the cause, and nothing can be done about it.

      Holding two such diametrically opposed views may lead to serious cognitive dissonance in the typical individual, but for a "news" company intent on being both an influential player in the political realm and a money making operation, the two can be easily maintained if not reconciled. It's much the same, if on a smaller canvas, to how Fox News broadcasts annual "War on Christmas" campaigns on-air, while off-air they put on "Happy Holiday" events for its staff.
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    • Author by mschrissy67 (April 21, 2011 1:59 pm ET)
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      Progress???

      In the line at the store, the cashier told the older woman that she should bring her own grocery bag because plastic bags weren't good for the environment. The woman apologized to him and explained, "We didn't have the "green thing' back in my day."

      The clerk responded, "That's our problem today. The former generation did not care enough to save our environment."

      He was right, that generation didn't have the green thing in its day.

      Back then, they returned their milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled.

      But they didn't have the green thing back in that customer's day.

      In her day, they walked up stairs, because they didn't have an escalator in every store and office building. They walked to the grocery store and didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time they had to go two blocks.

      But she was right. They didn't have the green thing in her day.

      Back then, they washed the baby's diapers because they didn't have the throw-away kind. They dried clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling machine burning up 220 volts - wind and solar power really did dry the clothes. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.

      But that old lady is right, they didn't have the green thing back in her day.

      Back then, they had one TV, or radio, in the house - not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief, not a screen the size of the state of Montana . In the kitchen, they blended and stirred by hand because they didn't have electric machines to do everything for you. When they packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, they used a wadded up old newspaper to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap.

      Back then, they didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. They used a push mower that ran on human power. They exercised by working so they didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.

      But she's right, they didn't have the green thing back then.

      They drank from a fountain when they were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time they had a drink of water. They refilled their writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and they replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.

      But they didn't have the green thing back then.

      Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or rode the school bus instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service. They had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And they didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest pizza joint.

      But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful the old folks were just because they didn't have the green thing back then?
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    • Author by kamrom (April 21, 2011 2:32 pm ET)
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      ..98 million nielsen houses? That figure cant possibly be real. That would suggest that 1/3 of the US population are neilsen families, if only one person lived in each house.
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    • Author by pete x tp (April 21, 2011 2:40 pm ET)
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      The last time that the level of greenhouse gases was so high there were palm trees in Antarctica. There has never been an analogue to the constant source of greenhouse gases attributable to human emissions. Many of the "worst possible case" predictions over the last 30 years or so have proven to have been overly optimistic.

      The really depressing part is that some of the things we could do to mitigate the damage are being fought solely for political games. There are four big ones that we could begin today:

      1. More efficient lighting.
      2. Smaller engines in cars.
      3. Rooftop solar.
      4. Mass transit.

      All of these things use existing technology and all would be money makers while saving energy and money for consumers. That means they would provide a net gain for the economy. And yet? We have a horde of idiots who try to claim that any effort made to reduce our use of fossil fuels will cause civilization to collapse. What will cause civilization, as we know it, to collapse will be running out of petroleum.

      Living without gasoline will be easy, living without plastic and the other products made from petroleum will be a catastrophe. It's just plain stupid to continue wasting petroleum as fuel.
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      • Author by CoolSlaw (April 21, 2011 3:28 pm ET)
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        The problem comes in debating a political philosophy that has dumbed down it's followers to the mentality of children and drunken sports fans.

        All of your points are reasonable and have merits and stipulations that can be debated and addressed, but the right winger in their childish drunken sports fan mentality reads your post as:

        1. Environmentalist wackos!
        2. I aint gonna drive no queer little car!
        3. Who needs it...Drill Baby drill!
        4. Socialism SOCIALISM SOOOOCIIAAALLLLISSSMMMM WAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!

        Years ago, these ideas would have been openly debated in an adult manner, but today with the likes of Murdoch's Fox news and Rush Limbaugh pushing the narrative, we get common sense and reason met with childish chants.
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        • Author by pete x tp (April 21, 2011 3:35 pm ET)
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          Sad, but true. On the other hand...

          If we are going to have any chance at reaching the vast majority in the middle who don't really know or care much about anything we have to keep our message at the soundbite level.

          "You can do this today and it will save you money" is a message that resonates with any sane person. We can't argue with the freaks who are hoarding incandescent lights and leaving their refrigerators open to "tick off libruls" but we can enlist enough of the vast American middle to outnumber them.
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    • Author by davein2d (April 21, 2011 7:43 pm ET)
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      throughout this piece the author claims this "may create a problem" for fox news or news corp. but these people live in bizarro world. they create their own facts and figures. contradictions are no issue. they cannot be stopped.
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      • Author by David2012 (April 22, 2011 10:40 am ET)
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        All any of us controls is our own behavior.

        boulderhippy chooses to be an idiot. He could make an alternative choice, but seems to be unable.

        So it goes.
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