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Fox Calls For Higher Taxes On Middle Class: "The Progressive Income Tax Has Not Been So Fair"

August 03, 2011 12:23 pm ET by Chelsea Rudman

Fox hosts often complain that taxes on the wealthy are already too high and have consistently opposed any tax increases on the wealthiest Americans, even when a majority of Americans have favored such proposals several times in the past few years, in order to address the rising deficit.

Today, Fox & Friends took their opposition to raising taxes on the wealthy one step further by suggesting that middle and low-income earners are actually the ones should pay higher taxes. First, the co-hosts argued that the country's wealthiest Americans can't afford to pay any more:

DAVE BRIGGS (guest host): So do we pay their -- do the wealthy pay their fair share already? That's the big question. Now, when you look at the numbers, it appears that the wealthy already do pay their fair share, but I guess that's on the eye of the beholder. The top 1 percent already pays 38 percent of all income taxes in the United States, and you got to keep in mind, almost half of this country pays no income tax whatsoever. So for the president to say that Americans want higher taxes, well, again, half the country doesn't pay them. It's an easy thing to get away with.

GRETCHEN CARLSON (co-host): But what is fair? See, what's fair share? Obviously, those two words together are a good buzz word, and they probably, this administration has probably tested those words to see if they're effective with the American people. Yeah, most people would say, hey, things should be fair. But what does that mean when you factor in that 50 percent of the nation doesn't even pay federal income tax? Is that fair?

This graphic was aired while the co-hosts spoke:

Then co-host Steve Doocy went on to suggest that "if we're going to make things fairer, are people who currently don't pay taxes, will they have to pay something?" Yes -- he suggested that it would be "fairer" if middle-class and the poor paid more in taxes.

From the show (emphasis added):

DOOCY: Well, let's break it down a little more. So with that number right there, if we could take it full screen, you see the top 1 percent pays about 40 percent of all income taxes in this country. Top 1 percent. So 40 percent, but they earn only about 20 percent of the adjusted gross income. The income here in the country. Then the top 5 percent, they pay close to 60 percent of all income taxes, yet they earn just about 35 percent of the income. And the top 25 -- this is jaw dropping -- the top 25 percent of people in this country, you know, income-wise, they pay 86 percent of all income taxes. And so when the President of the United States says everybody's got to chip in, is he talking about all those people who don't pay taxes currently? Gretch is absolutely right -- 51 percent don't pay federal income tax. Sure, you might pay some different taxes, state taxes, payroll, Social Security, Medicare, stuff like that. But 51 percent don't pay federal taxes. Going forward, if we're going to make things fairer, are people who currently don't pay taxes, will they have to pay something?

CARLSON: A lot of people hoping the super committee [that will be formed as a result of the debt ceiling legislation], that they'll have tax reform, that would maybe look at a flatter tax and get rid of some of the loopholes, so that actually the tax dollars for the wealthy are actually coming in, instead of looking for ways not to try to pay it.

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DOOCY: We need national defense, we need education, we need those things, but, you know, historically, the tax system in this country, the progressive income tax, has not been so fair.

Let's start with the claim that the top 1 percent of earners are already paying "their fair share." Tax rates for the wealthiest Americans are actually the lowest they've been since 1931, with the exception of a brief period from 1988-1992. (Federal income taxes are actually the lowest they've been in about 60 years for all Americans.) As Bloomberg Businessweek pointed out in December 2010:

A bonanza of new and extended tax benefits could make it as easy as ever for the rich to stay that way.

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The good news for the rich starts with income tax rates, which for top income groups would remain 35 percent, a rate enacted by former President George W. Bush in 2003. Except for a period from 1988 to 1992, the top tax rate has never been this low since 1931.

"Top rates are incredibly low from a historical perspective," says Indiana University law professor Ajay Mehrotra. The most surprising thing, he says, is that rates have remained at this level even as the U.S. has been fighting two wars, in Afghanistan and Iraq. Historically, income taxes on the wealthy have spiked during wartime: The first income tax was initiated during the Civil War and then later repealed. The top rate on income hit 77 percent in 1918, during World War I, and 94 percent from 1944 to 1945, during World War II.

While it's accurate that the top 1 percent of earners do pay 38 percent of all federal income taxes, it also turns out that they own almost that much of the country's total wealth. In April 2010, the Wall Street Journal blog Wealth Report reported that the top 1 percent held 35.6 percent of all national wealth at the end of 2009. Given that, paying 38 percent of all federal income taxes does sound like at least "their fair share," actually.

Now, let's move on to Doocy's idea that it would be "fairer" if "people who currently don't pay taxes ... have to pay something." First of all, as Doocy himself acknowledges, almost all U.S. taxpayers pay "state taxes, payroll [taxes], Social Security, [and] Medicare," as well as local and sales taxes.

But he's correct that about half of tax filers don't pay any federal income tax. So how much money do these non-paying filers earn? In a post on the New York Times blog Economix, Bruce Bartlett, a former aide to both Presidents Reagan and George H. W. Bush, broke down data from the Tax Policy Center with this chart:

Bartlett chart

In other words, the vast majority -- almost 83 percent of tax filers -- who didn't pay federal income tax were in the lowest 40 percent of earners, which means they earned less than $33,542 last year. Troublingly, Bartlett points out that there are "a not insignificant number of those who are clearly well off" who are also not paying any federal income tax, likely due to capital gains tax laws that are favorable to wealthy investors:

Surprisingly, a not insignificant number of those who are clearly well off are also among the "lucky duckies." There are 78,000 tax filers with incomes of $211,000 to $533,000 who will pay no federal income taxes this year. Even more amazingly, there are 24,000 households with incomes of $533,000 to $2.2 million with zero income tax liability, and 3,000 tax filers with incomes above $2.2 million with the same federal income tax liability as most of those with incomes barely above the poverty level.

It is not because of the earned-income tax credit or the child credit that the ultra-wealthy are paying no federal income taxes.

One reason, undoubtedly, is that capital gains are a huge percentage of their income and they may have losses from previous years to offset any realized gains this year. Perhaps some chose to invest all their wealth in tax-free municipal bonds.

But most of the people Doocy suggests should pay higher taxes earn less than $33,542 a year. As Bartlett explains, the earned-income tax credit, which is responsible for the high number of non-filers, was enacted and expanded by Republicans, who viewed it as a way to help the poor without raising the minimum wage:

[T]he growth of the non-income-taxpaying population is largely a result of Republican tax policies. The earned-income tax credit is the main reason those with low incomes are largely exempted from federal income taxes. Originated by Gerald Ford, it was expanded by both Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush as a better way to help the working poor than raising the minimum wage, which they believed would increase unemployment.

It's frankly not fairer to suggest the poorest Americans have their taxes increased. The poor are already spending a huge percentage of their incomes on basic necessities. According to a December 2010 report by the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR), low-income households spend 16.2 percent of income on food, while the average family spends about 13 percent. And Habitat for Humanity found that in 2008, a staggering 16 percent of Americans spent more than half of their incomes on housing.

So, what's the outcome of our tax policies? How have low, middle, and high-income families fared over the past few decades? Here's a chart from the CEPR chart that shows whose after-tax income has grown the most:

CEPR income taxes 

From 1979-2006, the lowest two quintiles saw their incomes increase by 11 and 18 percent. That's the group that Doocy thinks should pay higher income taxes. But the top 1 percent, who the co-hosts think already pay "their fair share," saw their incomes increase by 256 percent.

No wonder economists, liberal and conservative alike, and the American public agree that the deficit can't be erased through spending cuts alone, and that revenues will need to be increased. But none of them seem to be calling for those revenues to come from the poorest Americans. It's easy to see why.

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    • Author by nerzog (August 03, 2011 12:29 pm ET)
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      The really sad part? Given the current weakness of the Democrats, the stupidity of the American voters, and the shameless dishonesty of the Republican Propaganda Mill... they'll probably get this done.
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      • Author by beDecent (August 03, 2011 12:37 pm ET)
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        This is infuriating.
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      • Author by m.welker (August 03, 2011 1:03 pm ET)
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        I love this little slip-up:

        DAVE BRIGGS (guest host): So do we pay their -- do the wealthy pay their fair share already?


        Whoops, revealed your motives there, huh?
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    • Author by beDecent (August 03, 2011 12:35 pm ET)
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      Seriously? Even Warren Buffet knows that isn't true. This is mind-numbingly stupid. Do they explain to their viewers what capital gains etc. are and how they're taxed? Doubtful. You want me to pay more in taxes, but not the President of this company? Who the hell do you think has more money after taxes? Which of us do you think has to put off bills some months because the money isn't there? How do middle- and lower-class viewers see this and think, "Yeah, we should pay more taxes. Those wealthy have it so hard. Now, should I skip breakfast or lunch today?"
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      • Author by chazmanr (August 03, 2011 12:42 pm ET)
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        Most Baggers are clueless about how the rich exploit capital gains (ironically something that the rich railed against initially). Most are unaware that hedge fund managers start with a tax rate of 15% (BEFORE they deduct the mortgage payment on their most expensive home or write off charitable donations). If just the top 25 hedge fund managers had paid 30% (less than the top rate) instead of 15% last year, it would have meant an additional $500M in revenue. That is a half of a billion dollars in lost revenue just from 25 people.
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        • Author by Boswell (August 03, 2011 1:57 pm ET)
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          but then they couldn't order the upgrades for their new jets! can you imagine their deprivations if they are forced to fly to Nice in last years Gulstream????????
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    • Author by gmccpa (August 03, 2011 12:37 pm ET)
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      I just don't get it. Its mind boggling that Fox, along with the GOP, can maintain the support of their followers. After months of railing against tax increases on the wealthy....they actually now have the nerve to suggest increased taxes on middle and lower income taxpayers. And we all know by now...Fox's position will match the GOP position.


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      • Author by Middle Molly (August 03, 2011 1:40 pm ET)
           
        Their viewers are going to identify more with the "upper middle" than the working, poor, or middle classes. Over and over, TPers say "I'm a hard-working middle class taxpayer." They see the non-paying lowest 25% or 30% as the "takers". It's great us-against-them rhetoric and it works so well.

        Their followers just buy whatever they are fed and don't question anything they get from Fox.
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    • Author by clearstate (August 03, 2011 12:45 pm ET)
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      Since most of the teabaggers are the middle class, I'd like to see Boehner explain it to them that they should pay more taxes.
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      • Author by Andy Kreiss (August 03, 2011 1:15 pm ET)
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        The only way that works is if enough teabaggers believe they're going to be rich soon, and a lot of them do.

        There's also the bizarro right wing idea they've had drilled into their heads that reducing taxes increases government revenue, so they may actually be backwards enough to believe that raising their own taxes will make them richer.

        Then there are the teabaggers that live in some of the poorest areas of the country, the ones who believe they're not quite as bad off as their neighbors.
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        • Author by Boswell (August 03, 2011 2:13 pm ET)
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          they'll win the lottery any day now!
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          • Author by chazmanr (August 03, 2011 2:19 pm ET)
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            Remember, these are dumb people that believe that they are smart. They think they will come up with the next pet rock or Facebook.
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            • Author by Andy Kreiss (August 03, 2011 2:26 pm ET)
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              Believe me, I've met these people, barely middle class and getting by, who refer to their "wealth", and think that taxes are at an all time high.
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      • Author by nerzog (August 03, 2011 1:38 pm ET)
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        Well, he'll have Blimpy Limbaugh to sell it for him. Blimpy's been saying this for years... that the middle class is where all the money is, so that's where you have to raise taxes.

        Of course, Blimpy also floated taxation of the poor as an April Fool joke, but the Troglodytes have been treating it as a viable option lately.

        Here's a wager: taxes are more likely to be raised on the Middle Class than on the rich. The Teabaggers will fanatically defend the "job creators" but happily pi$$ on the rest of us.
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    • Author by Disputed Zone (August 03, 2011 12:49 pm ET)
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      Quoting Adam Smith, again:

      The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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      • Author by m.welker (August 03, 2011 1:06 pm ET)
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        Simple explanation:

        Adam Smith was a communist and a socialist, and wrote The Wealth of Nations. simply to assist Marx's predictions of the eventual downfall of capitalism and establishment of communism (unwritten at the time).

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    • Author by pete592 (August 03, 2011 12:52 pm ET)
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      So in others words, the people who ****ed this economy up one side and down the other are looking to the victims to pay for the cleanup.
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    • Author by Imbecile (August 03, 2011 1:03 pm ET)
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      Fox News ran with this for one reason and one reason only. It's a "gotcha" segment. Here's how it works.

      Fox advocates raising taxes on the middle class in the name of "fairness". The shrinking middle class, knowing they can't afford a tax increase in this economic climate, naturally balk at the idea and provide a myriad of reasons why this is a bad idea. They are then supposed to think, "Hmm...is it really fair, then, for me to advocate raising the taxes on the wealthy if I'm not willing to pay higher taxes myself? I guess Fox and the Republicans are right: raising taxes on the wealthy is unfair."

      They are then expected to adopt the position that raising taxes on the wealthy is as equally unfair as it is to raise taxes on the middle class.

      For normal, thinking people, this argument is faulty at best and dishonest at worst, but since Fox does not cater to normal, thinking people, this ploy will most likely succeed with their viewership.

      This is where we end up finding poor people who take up the cause for the wealthy, and the rest of us end up scratching our heads, unable to understand why.
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      • Author by The Last Loyalist (August 03, 2011 5:07 pm ET)
           
        They are then expected to adopt the position that raising taxes on the wealthy is as equally unfair as it is to raise taxes on the middle class.


        What do you say to them then?
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        • Author by Chameo (August 03, 2011 7:57 pm ET)
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          You ask them if they get as much benefit from the infrastructure and social structure of this country as someone who earned $1 million last year. How much did they benefit from a pool of educated workers to work in the companies that they own? Oh, they didn't? They only got the benefit of their own public education? The guy who owns the factory gets the benefit of the public education of 50 people, or 150 people or more. He makes more profit from having an educated workforce, and should pay more toward supporting its continuation.

          You can make the same argument for all the other things that our taxes pay for, especially the military -- we like to believe that we all get equal benefit: they're protecting our freedoms. The truth is the corporations get far more benefits from having our military stationed around the world to ensure that we have trade routes, access to resources, and more. Compare the benefits I get from having embassies in foreign countries compared to the benefits provided to businesses that open foreign offices.

          Those are realities that few people ever consider. They're considered too subtle for most people, and frankly, most people would be bored to tears if someone tried to explain it, so it's no wonder that politicians, policy makers and the media don't talk about it. But if you think that the heads of corporations don't recognize those advantages, you're totally mistaken.
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    • Author by Middle Molly (August 03, 2011 1:28 pm ET)
         
      It is very disturbing that so many can't figure this stuff out.

      Here's another breakdown, contrasting tax rates and earners in 2005-7 with tax rates and earners in 1998-2000, based on data from the Tax Foundation:

      Top 1% AGI family in 1999 makes $293,400; pays 27.53% or $80,773, leaving $212,627.
      Top 1% AGI family in 2006 makes $388,806; pays 22.79% or $88,600, leaving $300,200. So yes, the guy is paying 10% more in taxes than he did in 1999, but he is getting 29% more in after-fed-tax income.

      Top 5% AGI family in 1999 makes 24.18% 120,846; pays 24.18% or $29,300, leaving $91,700.
      Top 5% AGI family in 2006 makes 20.68 153,542; pays 20.68% or $31,700, leaving $121,800. This guy is paying 8% more in taxes than he was in 1999, but he is getting about $30,000 or about 33% more than he was making in 1999.

      Median family (at 50%) in 1999 makes $26,415, pays between 4.5% and 9% (using 6.75%) or about $1800, leaving $24,615.
      Median family in 2006 makes $31,987, pays between 3% and 7% (using 5%) or about $1600, leaving $30,400. So, yes, this family is paying less in taxes than the rich people and less vs. more than they were paying in 1999, but they are only getting 24% more in after-fed-tax income.

      So where would any of us want to be? Among the top 1% paying so much more in taxes than the median income tax filer? Or the median filer, paying practically nothing in taxes, but having so, so much less in income?

      (The median income filer would represent two people working full-time making minimum wage. That's about where they would fall.)

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    • Author by steeve (August 03, 2011 6:47 pm ET)
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      If your reaction to this is "no, taxes are fair, and it's fair to tax the rich", you're heading the wrong way.

      When the country has a problem, you do what's proven to work whether it's fair or not. Tax hikes on the rich are proven to work. If tax hikes on the poor worked, I'd be all for it. Fairness is a worthless distraction.
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      • Author by NotSure8 (August 04, 2011 3:21 pm ET)
           
        And it is also noteworthy to mention why it works to tax the rich. There's a couple reasons I can think of right off: 1) they are the ones with the money, 2) in a demand-driven economy such as ours, taxing the poor & middle class decreases demand which shrinks the economy, lowering the amount that is able to be taxed.
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    • Author by oscar the grouch (August 03, 2011 8:15 pm ET)
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      I notice that MMFA likens wealth to income to try to show the richest don't pay a fair share. They (top 1%) appear to be paying about double the % of income in taxes as they earn (income) vs about a 1:1 ratio in respect to wealth. Much like the debt/deficit debate, apples to oranges. One can through prudent living acquire a fair amount of wealth over the years while not earning big incomes.
      At the present time, the total wealth of the Forbes 400 would barely cover the current debt, Clinton era tax rates would garner about $3-5 trillion over a decade, approximately 1/3 from the top 1-2%. We (the country) have a mess. How do we solve the problem?
      Suggestions: 1) Enact a luxury tax of 100% on all political contributions. Donate $100,000 to the candidate, $100,000 to US treasury. Could also be applied at State and Local levels as there are fiscal problems there also. 2) Look at excess Government properties to sell (US Government owns big portions of several red states, which results in red states receiving more tax dollars than they pay). 3) Sell naming rights to certain government structures like athletic venues do. 4) Cut most/all subsidies (farm, corp, non-profits, etc). 5) Cut loopholes, cutting the Tax Code down to a more manageable size. 6) Revisit the Debt Commission report and act on most of the items, one way or another so that we (the people) know where our Congresspersons stand on the issues.
      There's six for a start.
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      • Author by steeve (August 03, 2011 8:55 pm ET)
           
        "There's six for a start."

        Hilarious. Did you notice something missing -- that 4 trillion dollar thing that can't make your list ahead of political contribution taxes? This blind spot (not just you but every single "centrist" in mainstream media) is completely stunning.

        Why the hell are you even brainstorming? "For a start" we should do the skullcrushingly obvious thing that we've done before and know for sure will work -- Clinton tax rates. If that's not good enough, Nixon tax rates. If that's not good enough, medicare for all. If that's not good enough, then and only then brainstorm.

        This country is in a freakin' twilight zone and it's scaring me to death. You can't even agree with yourself to name The Policy That Shall Not Be Named.
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        • Author by oscar the grouch (August 03, 2011 10:07 pm ET)
             
          Clinton tax rates are noted above, with the "disclaimer" that they wouldn't make much of a dent in the problem we have. Nixon (or Eisenhower) era rates may sound good, but remember that the high earners generally have the ability to set their income levels. Returns (tax revenues) will not be linear with rate increases. If you look back at revenues over the past 60 years, they have been around 18-18.5% (with a couple of exceptions)of GDP, regardless of tax rates. Simplify the code. Clinton era rates worked because of some factors outside of just rates (Split government, the Y2K hype, the dot-con bubble, etc).
          Now, Medicar for all would really be great (it's costs are growing faster than revenue now, expansion is just the thing to do) except that elections will get in the way of "cuts".
          Great suggestions, but with all your brain power, I'm sure you can do better.
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          • Author by steeve (August 03, 2011 10:46 pm ET)
               
            "with all your brain power, I'm sure you can do better"

            Doesn't matter, because the country can't. My list is not deep thought; it's cheating off the answer sheet. We do the obvious certainties first. If you flunk arithmetic, you don't start studying multiplication.

            I need to hear you say "the United States needs to get back to Clinton tax rates as soon as possible". I've heard you call for tax increases on the poor. I've heard you say Clinton tax rates won't solve the whole thing (which you've now rendered void by your own suggestions which also won't solve the whole thing). I've never once heard you argue positively for this obvious policy, which will help our finances a whole lot more than selling red state property.
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          • Author by steeve (August 03, 2011 11:05 pm ET)
               
            Also

            "the high earners generally have the ability to set their income levels"

            So they volunteered to have 40x worker pay in the 60s and 200x worker pay now? Rich people were so altruistic back then.

            It's the insane GDP growth that kept the revenue/GDP ratio flat. Economies roar when everyone can buy stuff.
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          • Author by NotSure8 (August 04, 2011 3:27 pm ET)
               
            ...remember that the high earners generally have the ability to set their income levels.


            Good point, but take it a step further. What do they do if they reduce their personal income? That money doesn't just vanish.
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      • Author by Chameo (August 03, 2011 9:59 pm ET)
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        Note that the graphs are pegged to AGI, adjusted gross income. That's income after deductions and exemptions. Just a little for example here: my brother, the successful insurance agent -- whose income I don't begrudge for a moment -- makes nearly five times what I do in annual wages/salary. By the time he's done taking his deductions, his AGI is just a little more than double mine. If you only go by AGI, he only makes about twice what I do (and boy, would that frost his socks). I wonder what those figures would be if it counted actual income rather than income after deductions.
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        • Author by NotSure8 (August 04, 2011 3:31 pm ET)
             
          I also find it suspicious they omit the AGI for the last group.
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        • Author by nomanu (August 04, 2011 4:15 pm ET)
             
          Bingo! Let's see that graphic again, but using pre-adjusted Gross Income. I would be willing to bet it would go from 20% to 40% or more. Fox lies and anyone that believes their lies are dumb.
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      • Author by Disputed Zone (August 04, 2011 11:01 am ET)
           
        I love Suggestion No. 1, Oscar. It has no chance, of course.
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