Fox Doctors Hoffa Speech To Fabricate Call For Violence
September 05, 2011 4:55 pm ET by Matt Gertz
Right-wing bloggers misled by dishonest Fox News video editing are attacking Teamsters President James Hoffa for supposedly urging violence against Tea Party activists during a Labor Day speech. Conservatives are also attacking President Obama, who appeared at the event, for "sanctioning violence against fellow Americans" by failing to denounce Hoffa. But fuller context included in other Fox segments makes clear that Hoffa wasn't calling for violence but was actually urging the crowd to vote out Republican members of Congress.
During the segment that the bloggers have latched onto, Fox edited out the bolded portion of Hoffa's comments:
HOFFA: Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let's take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!
In an initial report on Hoffa's speech at 1 p.m. on Fox News, Ed Henry reported that Hoffa said that "we'll remember in November who's with the working people" and "said of the Tea Party and of Republicans, 'let's take these sons of bitches out.'"
Henry made clear during that segment that Hoffa's comments were references to voting out Republican members of Congress, not to violence. And roughly 20 minutes later, he explained on Twitter that the "full quote" of the "take these son of a bitches out" comment is "Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back & keep the eye on the prize, let's take these sons of bitches out":
But in a second segment that ran at roughly the same time as Henry's tweet, Fox News dishonestly edited the speech in the manner seen above. Andrew Breitbart's Big sites, Real Clear Politics, The Daily Caller, the Media Research Center, and the Drudge Report have all highlighted that footage, using it to condemn "the violence emanating from union thug bosses" and demand that Obama "denounce" the comments.
In the Fox News segment that included the dishonestly cropped video, Republican consultant Brad Blakeman decried the comments as "thuggery at its best" and "the kind of remarks you'd expect out of Tony Soprano," and commented that "when a union president says 'let's take these sons of bitches out,' that usually means someone's legs are going to get broken, somebody's going to disappear." Meanwhile, anchor Megyn Kelly somehow did not mention Henry's previous explanation that the comments were references to voting Republicans out of office.
Andrew Breitbart operative and CNN contributor Dana Loesch quickly followed up the attack on Twitter, claiming soon after the Fox segment and Henry tweet that Hoffa "threatens tea party voters" and that if Obama "doesn't condemn then he is sanctioning violence against fellow Americans by silence":
Breitbart's websites also jumped onboard, circulating the cropped Fox News video of the Hoffa speech and describing it as a "threat of violence." Other right-wing media outlets soon followed.
Loesch's comments in particular were already way over the top. But they became truly embarrassing at around 3 p.m., when the whole story collapsed after Fox finally got around to airing what Henry had called the "full quote" of Hoffa's "take these son of a bitches out" comment:
As Henry noted, Hoffa was actually referencing "what he thinks unions are going to do to take Republicans out of office." We'll see if that puts a stop to the ongoing right-wing freakout over the comments.
UPDATE: Hours after Fox News aired the full context of the "take these son of a bitches out" comment, the network reverted to form. In the first segment on The Five, Fox again aired a dishonestly edited version of Hoffa's remarks that cropped out his references to voting. Watch:
2. , why not invite the Michigan DNC Chair rather than the Chair from S.Carolina, of all places?
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Why weren't the first words out of S.Carolina DNC Chair Dick Harpootlian's mouth:
"Megyn and Editors, Why was this video edited this way to distort Hoffa's intent and meaning???
Please play the unedited clip now and then perhaps we can have an honest discussion about Hoffa's statement in it's entirety."
Think about the upcoming repeal of DADT. They challenged it constantly, attacked constantly. Why? Because none of those rightwing clods were in the military. Those who shouldve been (mccain being a notable exception to this) instead used political influence to get cushy stay at home jobs.
So once it becomes undeniable that this group that they so routinely attack, that they say will destroy america, is shown to be about 10,000 times braver than the reupblicans? That'll make them look like idiots.
And not only that; It will rapidly become apparent that gay people have been putting their lives on the line, even when they couldnt admit to who they were for fear of being kicked out for no reason other than that, all so the republicans will have the freedom to say whatever vile thing they want without censorship.
And you can basically take al lthat and apply it to any republicans nonsense whining. And that by itself is all you need to explain the rightwing's behavior. Things tend to fight and scream and thrash the loudest right before their demise.
Cracks are coming from all sides. Their margains shrink lower and lower. Criminals. Liars. Hateful bigots. Manipulators. Thats who we're dealing with, and that group grows ever more monstrous in a desperate bid to hold on to its relevancy.
So if you think this is bad, wait til you see what they do next month. Wait til you see what they do once people at Fox become indicted for hacking computers and phones. Theyre just gonna get worse. And I mean, wow, we can hardly even imagine that at this point. Youd think they couldnt get any more evil. But then I thought that when Bush was in office and BOY was I wrong!
"the battle that we face" "The war on workers" "only one way to beat and win that war" "we like a good fight" "They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner" "We're going to win that war" "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of b!tches out"
Anytime liberal-socialists use violent rhetoric it's always "taken out of context". How convenient. Sarah Palin uses USGS map symbols to mark places on a map and the liberal-socialists shriek "they are sniper scope symbols and she wants people to kill and she caused the Giffords shooting!!!"
Hoffa talks about marching to war to win the battle with Obama's army to take the sons of b!tches out and it's "taken out of context". I guess what he really meant was for America to work together to solve the problems we face as a united country.
Maybe for the Union Gangster Goons this is mild language that is to be tolerated by the Dems because they are bankrolled by these blackmailing thugs.
You idiots define hypocritical!
I noticed on another thread that kantakerous was raving and then becoming somewhat reasonable but when it came down to it, he disappeared, and then popped up kidney bean. Makes ya wonder, eh?
Do you think his words were appropriate to Obama's call for civility?
Why do Fox News and the Republicans want to hurt Americans?
Why do Fox News and the Republicans hate Americans?
You don't have to believe it, but it is demonstrably true. Check out the last forty years of wage history. Check out the percentage of income tax revenue paid by corporations over the last forty years.
Lastly ,get back on topic. Fox deliberately lied when they aired edited video of Hoffa to make him look bad. What you're complaining about with your howler monkey comment DIDN'T EVEN HAPPEN.
It hasn't really caught on, but since the dimwits have been slacking off with their Soros Tourettes, I've been trying to get a new drinking game up and running.
A shot for every time they use that magical "If" in their arguments. It's a variation on the Begging the Question logical fallacy.
They pull some hypothetical prediction out of their tar hole, and accuse people of " Hypocrisy" for not treating their hallucinations the same as things that actually happened.
They think we're supposed to accept their " If...then" BS.
The right wingers have a tough time separating their fantasies from reality.
Cat you can slice and dice and twist Hoffa's words any way you choose. Hoffa's speech is Viral now and American's have watched his speech in full. Hoffa clearly incited violence Cat. Hoffa's speech was not Diplomatic, Constructive or demonstrated a willingness for Unity what so ever. Hoffa tore down any resemblence of working together. No, Hoffa drove a wedge deeper that divides the classes.
Why do Fox News and the Republicans want to hurt Americans?
Why do Fox News and the Republicans hate Americans?
88% of American Workers survive just fine without any Union representation. Why can't you?
You see, good employees with confidence in themselves never question any need for having Union Representation. Many good employees have made themselves smarter and more valuable by going to college and leading by example. Good employees do not need Unions. Good employees make good wages, insurance and earn vacations and raises. Obama has destroyed the Insurance benefit now with at least 60% of the businesses nationwide, but that is another chapter. Unions have convinced you that you cannot survive without them. Joke is on you.
Fact is...the kid gloves are off this time around. Dems know of what the right is capable. What really scares the righty-tighty-up-and-whitey folks is the left is finally willing to stand up and fight the tactics that have been used to keep them down in the past. Maybe there is reason behind the insecurity of the right. Paybacks are the real bitches...
You bunch are the sad & pathetic losers as evidenced by that moron you put in the Oval Office. Obama is setting RECORD LOW APPROVAL numbers! He is a complete failure and all you idiots do is blame everyone but the Buffoon in Chief.
All you can do now is shriek "racist" and "it's all FOX News' fault" when in reality your worshiping a nitwit financed by union thugs who see their gangster power being taken away by those who see them for what they are, basically free-loading thugs who blackmailed business for their unsupportable pensions & skyrocketing overhead costs.
You nanny state socialists are seeing the end of your easy money and you are terrified.
I laugh at you losers, just as I'll be laughing when Obama waves goodbye at the end of his first & last miserable failure of a term.
The truth hurts and you know it.
But she was able to use that jumping-off point to call the president names, and whine that people notice her racism.
The quality of the trolls here has really declined.
I guess that when you're easily led by even the mildly charismatic, you've got to expect them to feed you whatever enriches them while keeping you weakened to the point that if you ever do wake up, you'll be powerless to stand in their way.
At long last, they don't care about you! You won't be among the empowered if they take over.
So, go ahead, child, continue...
Mary - why don't YOU do some reading on union current events
I call B.S. This is simply another chapter in the tea party saga bent on spreading discontent and inciting violence against anyone who has the cajones to stand up for working people.
"United country" you say? I fell off my chair spewing outrageous laughter. Guess you think everyone is as brain dead as you are?
According to the National Institute for Labor Relations Research, a right-to-work think tank in Washington, there have been 4,400 incidents of union violence in the last 20 years.
The Teamsters are the leading perpetrators, with 454 incidents. But IBEW is in the top 10, having engaged in 125 incidents.
All told, there have been 11,600 incidents of union violence against workers, management and the public since 1975.
Take the murder of Eddie York, a nonunion contractor, who was shot in the back of the head and killed while leaving a worksite in 1993. Trumka and other UMW officials were charged in a $27 million wrongful death suit by Eddie York’s widow. After fighting the suit intensely for four years, UMW lawyers settled suddenly in 1997 -- just two days after the judge in the case ruled evidence in the criminal trial would be admitted.
Richard Trumka is the most dishonest SOB in AFLCIO history. One of his Goons shoots Eddie York in the most Cowardly manner, in the back of his head in cold blood. No apology, no remorse and not a care in the world for Eddies 3 young children or Widow. RICHARD TRUMKA IS A YELLOW COWARD AND OBAMAS BEST FRIEND.
Later, as Secretary-Treasurer of the AFL-CIO, Trumka pleaded the Fifth Amendment before Congress and a court-appointed election monitor over his role in an illegal fundraising scheme to benefit the Teamsters president Ron Carey’s re-election. Trumka has remained in his position ever since despite an AFL-CIO rule (adopted in 1957) which held that union officials who plead the Fifth have “no right to continue to hold office” in the union umbrella organization.
Now this is a real threat to use violence, and it can't be parsed or explained any other way.
Hypocritical, sez you? Double standard, sez you?
If Hoffa gives a speech where he makes a "joke" about putting poison into John Boehner's wine, see how we respond and then discuss it with us. If Hoffa pretends to pour gasoline on a person sitting to his side and says, "This is what Mitch McConnell wants to do to you," see how we respond and then discuss it with us.
Until then as we continue to see clear and obvious distortions manufactured through editing intended to create artificial controversy you'd better believe we'll justifiably call it, "out of context."
USGS Map symbols, my left foot! Yes, I said "left."
You hypocrites define idiotic.
Typical really since the conservative movement is steeped in hate speech, he just gets mad about some perceived double standard. Eeesh.
(I think mary59 would agree - I'm just expanding on her comment)
See also: Teleprompter
How do I know this Dana Loesch is a moron/shill/both? She used 'prompter' as a joke.
Maybe we should try a 'teleprompter'-style smear of Boehner. Let's see.. lapels! He always wears a suit with lapels! Ha-ha, Boehner is 'Lapel-Boy' now! Pass it on!
They are all in bed together, make no mistake about it!
Disappointing that Kerry was anyway connected to this. I was and still am a huge supporter. (I have not forgotten the rock star crowds who came to his speeches during the campaign and in '06. Plenty of folks liked his speaking quite well.)
Kind of explained Gibbs being chosen for press secretary and his 'attitude' towards the left base.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - whoo-eeee!
Get a clue. There is NOTHING conservative about Fox nor is there any "news" to be had there. It is owned by the same corporation which has made most of its money by using tabloid (read The Globe; The Star and National Enquirer) journalism. You're being had, ILD, and you're too indoctrinated to realize it.
How about a riddle for you? What do you call someone who baits you with money (via a promise of lower taxes) then tries to take it away again (along with your benefits and rights, by working to bust up the union that helps make sure you're not paid in script)?
Hint: It's the same person who tells you a corporation is a person, but fights against affording them the punishments a real person would get for the actual wrongdoings of that very corporation.
Well, if you said a "sociopath", it'd be hard to disagree. However, the answer we were looking for was "Republican." We would have also accepted "Tea partier" or "Tea bagger."
Oh, I'm sorry, how rude. Barscotch, this is donutluvver. You should have been introduced, would have saved you the trouble of asking that question.
“We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They’ve got a war, they got a war with us and there’s only going to be one winner. It’s going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We’re going to win that war,” Hoffa told thousands of workers gathered for the annual Labor Day rally.
“President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march… Everybody here’s got a vote…Let’s take these sons of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,” he concluded
So the Tea Party is having a war on workers? I guess the folks that are in Tea Parties do not work?
I read it a few times, he still seems to being saying to take out the SOB's
Meanwhile, if you go after another job (at which you'll get entry-level pay & bennies) you'll forfeit this one.
Still think the politicians who made it possible for me to keep you and thousands of others out of work and on the dole indefinitely while simultaneously lowering what the dole gives you aren't against you? Are you that unintelligent?
FYI, if I had 20 yrs experience in a right to work state I could go after the better paying job, sure if I was a union man I would have to let some union boss tell me what I am worth, no thanks.
I know this may be a surprise to you, but no one has keep me out of a job my wages have not lowered in my career.
Last, Bar, sure also a individual that waits around for government to help you in a disaster, not one that takes care of himself.
And did you miss the part where I'm doing this to get a bonus? I'm not undereducated, I've lived both sides and know plenty others who have.
Unless you are part of that richest one percent, you have no more to say because you are voting against your own interests when you vote against the unions.
I love our trolls sometimes.
Innit?
I have been in management for years. And, it is a simple common sense fact of life that management will never pay their workers what they deserve without collective bargaining. No employee will ever have the same position of strength individually as they would collectively. Even highly skilled labor like MLB players need a strong union to get their fair share of the profits. Because that is simple common sense. What is truly sad is that you actually need this explained to you. But, like I said, based on your past ignorance it should not be a surprise at all.
"FYI, if I had 20 yrs experience in a right to work state I could go after the better paying job, sure if I was a union man I would have to let some union boss tell me what I am worth, no thanks." - Mark
See, you seem woefully ignorant of how collective bargaining works. You think the union decides what the pay is going to be? Have you ever actually had a job, Mark?
"I know this may be a surprise to you, but no one has keep me out of a job my wages have not lowered in my career." - Mark
You seem even more confused than usual, Mark. And, that is saying something for you. You think that you have negotiated the highest possible wage that you could by yourself? And did better than you could have collectively? It is simply impossible to be this stupid. My guess: you've never negotiated any contract EVER.
Keep it simple for you all, you all just stand there and keep fighting as your jobs go overseas because you all want 80K to put a bolt on a tire. Well, what do you have now, NOTHING! When you give up your union and head south we will have a well paying job for you.
The Bonus Question, well if the manager is the owner he can do as he pleases, if he is just middle management, well you’re full of crap.
No idea what that was supposed to mean, other than to make everyone chuckle. What does that have to do with union wages?
"Keep it simple for you all, you all just stand there and keep fighting as your jobs go overseas because you all want 80K to put a bolt on a tire. Well, what do you have now, NOTHING! When you give up your union and head south we will have a well paying job for you." - Mark
Riiight. Because we need to lower our wages here to compete with Indonesia. Not raise trade tariffs to compete globally since we have the consumers here. What a moron. Have you ever had a job, Mark? Take a look at the companies that move overseas. They don't do it because they are going out of business. They do it to increase profits. Because they can pay slave wages in Indonesia and pay a 2% trade tariff to still sell their good here as if they were an American company. Grow up, child.
"The Bonus Question, well if the manager is the owner he can do as he pleases, if he is just middle management, well you’re full of crap." - Mark
No, no, no NO. First of all, your bonus question was not even a question. But, we have learned to maintain very low expectations for you, Mark. I am sure you hear that everywhere you go. Every company is beholden to market prices. Whether it be the middle management or the CEO. Learn something, would ya. For your own sake.
Mike & Chuck, you couldn't be more condescending to Mark if you tried. But I believe I accidently discovered why. Your Blanket attack on those who succeed in the workforce without Unions is not a one size fits all. If it were meant to be, Unions would have more than 12% of the workforce.
I guess that works for the near-sighted, but those with 20/20 get the picture alright: Right to work = endentured servitude.
Once you've lost your job, pension, and health care, you can happily join the ranks of the homeless and console yourself with the fact that you achieved it all on your own.
Not sure what makes tea partiers think their corporate sponsors will spare them... you're expendable, too.
Well that explains why Rush limpballs is in a union now what about the other 14 million workers?
If that frightens you, it says more about you and your teabaggers than it does the speaker. Apparently, you teabaggers are scared of elections. Not surprising.
Hey, Mark, did you ever figure out that there are still programs in effect today that started under FDR? Or did you ever figure out that Arabs did play a part in the development of mathetmatics and that algebra is an Arabic word? I'm just wondering if you are ignorant by choice.
I'm just LOL-ing trying to imagine this illiterate moron negotiating his wages with the Arby's manager trainee.
Rigorous arguments first appeared in Greek mathematics, most notably in Euclid's Elements. Mathematics continued to develop, for example in China in 300 BC, in India in AD 100, and in the Muslim world in AD 800, until the Renaissance, when mathematical innovations interacting with new scientific discoveries led to a rapid increase in the rate of mathematical discovery that continues to the present day.
While the word algebra comes from the Arabic language (al-jabr, الجبر literally, restoration) and much of its methods from Arabic/Islamic mathematics, its roots can be traced to earlier traditions, which had a direct influence on Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī (c. 780–850).
The roots of algebra can be traced to the ancient Babylonians, who developed an advanced arithmetical system with which they were able to do calculations in an algorithmic fashion. The Babylonians developed formulas to calculate solutions for problems typically solved today by using linear equations, quadratic equations, and indeterminate linear equations.
Hoffa, doubles down on ABC, good try on protecting him.
Ever heard of scrip? Pinkertons? Stone Mountain Coal Company? Ludlow? Until you acknowledge what "captains of industry" are capable of doing to their employees, and until you realize that people like Conservica's media and political leadership don't have any problems with such treatment or worse, your every utterance on the matter carries the same import as caprine flatulence.
Should have guessed Fox News was behind it all.
Randy
It's really a shame, the progressives and the tea party actually want many of the same things, but the tea party are too busy attacking many of the people trying to preserve the American middle class...like the unions, when Fox or Limbaugh commands them.
The army must fight and if they bring a knife, we'll bring a gun.
We have to stop these people in Washington NOW!
This is overtly dishonest Breitbart territory... Faux is officially in the gutter with the deceptive hyper-partisan O'Keefe/Breitbart/Loesch types.
"Fair and Balanced" is the most Orwellian phrase disseminated currently in America. Yikes.
But, at least the commentary that went with the third clip made it clear the comments were in reference to the elections.
I agree - if Fox had just kept the focus on the profanity and ignored the "take them out" references it would have been a much better report.
There are three types or levels of politician according to the "faux rules of engagement". The first is the teatard looney who faux defends no matter because they are "one of them". The second level is for "moderate" repubtards whom they will defend most of the time, but not always, Romney or Huntsman fit in this category. The third is reserved for Democrats and all enemies of faux and they attack them no matter what they say or do. This third level gets attacked even if they support a repubtard policy. These rules of engagement are used to guide faux bots in their severity of attack and how and when they attack. The first level never gets criticized, the second level get s criticized on occasion, but not with the same ferociousness reserved for the third level. The third level is targeted with the most vicious severity of attack.
That's what I thought of first. there's no metaphorical context for that ( as many times I as I gave wingnuts a chance to explain it), but they're going all swoony over this statement, that includes a clear context.
The right wing has just given up completely on any honest arguments.
The idea of unions returning has been making inroads among the working poor and lower middle class. It is of the utmost importance for the multinational corporations and their Fox news toadies to squash the idea of worker security and rights with as heavy a hand as possible.
This is one such example.
What do I mean, "on purpose?" This. It just goes to show, the rightwing has no ideology. its like.. an anti-ology, except nowhere near as clever.
YOU are proof that human beings can type without the benifit of a brain. Tell the truth. You even disgust yourself dont you?
I think HeeHaw was referring to his trainers at Faux News.
Just hope that someday you won't find horrible deaths amusing, heenow.
Don't have a union background, but those songs came out of a real passion for justice for the common man and people who sacrificed to make things better for everyone, so you'd have to have a pretty cold heart not to be moved by 'em.
hee, I still consider myself under vows but our Order was nondenominational & I wasn't a nun. We started these:
http://raphaelhouse.com/
http://www.raphaelhouse.org/
Very True HeeNow, but you're a little late. Fox news has been telling people what to think for a long time now. This out of context quote is one perfect example, and I'm glad it upsets you, HeeNow that Fox is leading it's people around like lemmings and stirring up outrage with quotes deliberately taken out of context.
The Fox has been leading those lemmings around for some time, today they took a leap off the cliffs of context and drown in a sea of lies.
Don't your legs get sore marching in lockstep like that all the time?
Another thing, I've noticed that a lot of teabaggers, if not all of them, tend to ramble on trying to prove their point and then end by repeating their basic false premise and end with the word "Period"
They end their argument with the word "period" because it sounds good and powerful, they know they're lying.
Randy
This is getting f-ing scary.
The deception and hyper-partisanship is out of control.
Another un-read Memo eh booty?
Thanks for proving that FOXPAC teabagger corporate fascism is on the rise.
Teabaggers are getting more and more of what they want from Obama and they do nothing but whine about how he's walking all over American liberties.
Better trolls, please.
Think before you post slick.
There is no more Fairness Doctrine. You'll have to win the debate on your own accord now.
To be consistent, he'd have to say that no case could be made in support of anything that isn't currently law, or being considered for legislation.
He couldn't even come up with a complete sentence to support his argument.
That was too much "fairness" for them, they had to get rid of that guy.
That's not just out of context, that's flat out lying.
Fox did the same thng to Biden when Joe repeated McCain's comment about the "fundamentals of the ecconomy being sound".
Teabaggers and Fox viewers have now been reduced to a pre-preschool political mentality. They are now completely incapable of basic comprehension, only gut reaction if Fox can get away with this kind of attack now.
Don't you teabagger chumps get it? Fox had to create a negative talking point without context for you to get outraged at because they don't think you're smart enough to draw your own conclusion from Hoffa's speech.
Guess they've never heard the expression "Take out the garbage", huh?
You are a liar a punk and a coward. Labor isnt bringing any knives and talk about election victories is NOT talking about knives or guns. Besides we both know if there were real knives or guns a coward like you would snivel to your mother and hide under your bed
Right wing simpletons have been convinced that it was comparable to blatant, concrete calls to violence, like " Second amendment remedies".
If you're not familiar with the quote, don't feel bad, be proud. It means you're not an idiot who can be confused by metaphors.
The complete quote is:
"He pulls a knife; you pull a gun. They send one yours to the hospital; you send one of theirs to the morgue. That is the Chicago way."
The troll is saying that he admires the Chicago way. What's the matter, did the Teabangicals make you surrender your tri-cornered, tinfoil hat and that is why you are wearing a leather helmet?
This is what has become of jounalism, thanks to News Corp. All their shows are not about substance it is about hype. Commentators are celebrities. Hannity thinks he a rock star, Megyn Kelly posts provovative pictures of herself on the internet. The women routinely show a bit too much leg and cleavage. The men are actors.
Further, they outright lie, or omit things that deceive. Look here, don't look there. Look at the pretty package delivering the message - don't try to learn the truth. Just trust us - we will keep you entertained
Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian must be jealous.
And on Labor Day for the love of pete!!!
Can you turn off the deception for one day Faux?? Can you honor the hard-working people of this nation for one day?? Guess not. Instead labor gets deceptive editing and a spit in the eye.
I am seriously disturbed over this. I hope MMFA doesn't just let this go. There needs to be more attention brought to overt dishonesty. There is the usual misinformation and then things like this come along where they are actually trying actively to be biased and deceptive, and we cannot allow for it in a healthy democracy!
You mean, go off the air?
Besides, I'm sure the president will quickly ask the unions to turn down the rhetoric too!
Speaking truth to progressivism/liberalism with a shout out to all my union homies that got hired last month from all the new jobs the administration saved and/or created last month! Celebrating biden's summer of recovery II!
Or mentioned it in reference to "second amendment remedies". They're Union guys, geeze. What do Union guys take out? Around here, they take out the garbage on sanitation trucks. That sounds about right to me.
We know. You LOVE to lie almost as much as you LOVE to be lied to so of COURSE you would run in here and appologize for this outright LIE. Even though it IS a lie and the word targetted was about targetted to lose elections dishonest morons like YOU STILL pretend it is rhetoric that should be toned down. You are a disgusting human being MMM. Actually last monty my corporation hired a bunch of new union members I am sure they thank you.
You should STOP celebrating your stupidity and your astonishing level of brainwashing. It is pathetic not something to be proud of
I dont CARE what you think. His post was not meant for any sort of debate it was a pure troll provocation post. You deal with trolls anyway you want I assure you I will do exactly that and you seriously have nothing to say about it. If you dont like my posts feel free to ignore them. I wonder why you give me grief though and never say anything to the disgusting insulting posts by the rightwingnut trolls
Sheriff Dupnik spoke out against violent rhetoric from the right wing media when a Democratic politician was shot by a right wing nutbag.
Hoffa makes a very clear remark about voting that includes the figurative phrase "take them out".
In muffie's tiny reptilian brain, these are the same thing. I only understand because I study the wingnuts in the wild.
Okay, are you Marlin Perkins safe up in the heli or are you Jim who is on the ground staring the Tealibangicals in the face?
And while they may come off as savage predators as anonymous web posters, they're much more timid and docile when face to face.
Wash your fingertips out with soap, right now!
Try to purchase a functional cerebral cortex as soon as possible. You are just sad
Isnt it wonderful that intelligence is require to post here?
Sadly, this is true. Even though there was nothing violent or inappropriate in the speech, president Obama may predictably cave to fears of media pressure and do the bidding of the Fox and GOP lie machine. Then about two seconds later they will be back to attacking him for his radical agenda, and his extreme partisanship, or for being a democrat on a sunny day. It doesn't even matter anymore really, they'll just make up something.
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To my knowledge, no took him literally. As classless and tasteless as his remark was, it was understood to be figurative.
This sounds familiar. Seems like I remember some people screaming something about "taking America back" the past couple of years. Now who could that have been?
On the other hand, for them to freak out over that language when they don't over those in their camp using the same language is blatant hypocrisy.
On another thread I used the Barney Frank and that hateful Nazi woman attack as an example of what they are doing. 5 seconds out of a 2 minute hateful rant that was so ugly and disgusting that she deserved what she got from Barney, but ALL the news outlets ONLY showed 5 seconds of her rant BUT ALL of Barneys retort. She deserved it but they did it to make Mr Frank look bad. It is despicable and should be called out EVERY TIME!
I remember seeing Mark Halperen on O'Reilly's show. He promised Bill that he would "move ABC News to the right, make it more conservative"
Everyone remembers Gibson & Steph spending the first 45 mins of that last debate openly attacking Obama on everything from Rev Wright, Bill Ayers, flag pins, even clipped quotes from himself & Michelle. BUT, did you know that Steph was on Hannity's radio show, being fed those questions - pretty much exactly as he repeated them to Obama?
Hannity said that nobody was going to ask him about... (the usual Hannity littany) when George asked him to repeat it, so he could write it down - and then he threw out the same allegations/smears in the same order Hannity dictated them, in the debate!
Also, in an earlier debate, Gibson, after asking the candidates about their plans for an Iraq pullout, showed a little video clip ("news" release from the Bush WH?) and proceeded to ARGUE with them - that they'd be walking away from victory if they pulled out, after The Surge and all...! AND, Gibson also argued with Obama on recinding the Bush tax cuts - contending that it would mean bigger defecits (?!?)
That's why I busted out laughing when Palin accused Gibson of liberal bias, for asking her about the Bush Doctrine! What a gotcha!
If you look at most panels on This Week, they are - like just about EVERY other Sunday news/talk show - heavily weighted toward the right.
Liberal media my A$$!
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We distort and you remain misinformed"
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Just sayin'.
Most people here offer more substance than your posts that simply repeat "Fox Lies!" do.
Not true, I offer insightful posts and my "Fox Lies!" posts. I find your posts occasionally illuminating, but that doesnt change my opinion or my plans. You are entitled to your opinion. You miss the point entirely and maybe that is because of your intellectual abilities.
Please post whatever you want. If I get some thumbs down for expressing my opinion, that is just what happens. Just like if you get thumbs down for expressing your opinion in that way should also be expected.
I have had my say and the catharsis that comes with it and please always feel free to express what you want here in any way you want to.
I understand that when someone posts here they are not looking for all approval all the time and I respect your stand, even if I don't care for the way you express it! :)
HOFFA: Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let's take this son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!
Then MMfA admits FOX aired the full context in other FOX segments: "But fuller context included in other Fox segments makes clear that Hoffa wasn't calling for violence but was actually urging the crowd to vote out Republican members of Congress."
How desperate is MMfA in their efforts to badmouth the only fair and balanced news outlet in America? Think about it. This is really low class even for MMfA from top to bottom. The descriptive word is pathetic. Period.
BTW, keep this in mind when MMfA edits their stuff - and often misrepresents their headlines as well.
2BTW, really folks. Why stoop to such low levels? "son of a bitches"?
3BTW, and how many times has Obama got up on his pulpit giving BS speeches about how we "must come together" and "work together" and "not be so partisan" and blah, blah, blah. It's no wonder his approval ratings are down in the 40's - nobody believes a word he says anymore. Including millions of liberals!
4BTW, his overall approval is much better then his economic approval policies. He's down in the 20's in this category - and rightfully so. We'd have been SO much better off if he'd done NOTHING since the day he was sworn in. If he'd just had taken a permanent vacation instead of the ones he takes every couple months. Well, you people bought his BS so you gotta live with it just as I do. Only a little over a year left of his madness and we'll have someone with more experience in the WH (by more experience I mean ANY experience. BHO hasn't even run a lemonade stand. He's the most inexperienced person in any room he's in - and this is the TRUTH!) Not only this, the man isn't even bright enough to hire a few people that have some experience running a company. His Czars and Cabinet are basically all academia types or career politicians. Even RR and GWB were smart enough to have experienced people around them to offer ideas and recommendations. And you people think these two presidents were really stupid while BHO is a genius. If his policies weren't effecting millions of unemployed people it would be funny.
Just a few days after President Obama once AGAIN caved instantly to republican pressure and re-scheduled his jobs speech. A few short weeks after caving in to republican demands on the Tea Party debt ceiling fiasco when he could have enacted 14th amendment provisions.
At this point there's almost nothing that happens in Washington without the republicans' absolute refusal to take anything less then their initial demands, and President Obama caving instantly and completely to meet them 9/10ths of the way.
Yet they STILL push this talking point? I suppose after this post and all the criticisms of the President, he'll just call me an Obama worshiper anyway. Reality doesn't matter to these sheep.
It's to be expected. :P
I know what Faux says sounds good and "truthful" to your right-wing ears but THIS IS OVERT DISHONESTY and blatant misinformation and has no place in a healthy democracy! You should be applauding MMFA for providing accuracy and transparency!
Good luck with that, bootyprof. Donutluvver is possibly the stupidest, most ineffective wingnut who posts here ( and that's a tough title to claim).
He regularly ( under several failed screen names so far) repeats Fox talking points, as well as making outlandish claims about other posters ( making up things they've said, insisting that he's proved them liars or won arguments).
When asked to back any of it up, he usually has to take a nap, or walk his dogs, or shoe his horses. He seems to be the prime Fox demo, elderly, confused, dishonest and cowardly.
But check back in a day or two, he also has a habit of creeping back just before comments close to tell everybody that he's not an idiot, and do a victory dance.
When asked to back any of it up, he usually has to take a nap, or walk his dogs, or shoe his horses. He seems to be the prime Fox demo, elderly, confused, dishonest and cowardly."
I see you're still suffering from narcissism AK. Once Obamacare is fully implemented you need to check yourself into a mental hospital to get some help with this. Until then, recommend you stop with your whiny adolescent comments about me. Us normal people can se right through your condescending elitist posts.
BTW, do you use handkerchiefs or tissues to wipe the crybaby tears from your mug? Poor poor Andy - he's always getting picked on. I can imagine you laying on the floor kicking your heals while wailing "Make ILD stop Mommy! It's not fair that he dishes crap back at me!". Really AK, you are just pathetic.
Fair enough I guess, but it's way too much to expect you to defend the fox and right wing blog drivel you posted.
They really need to start giving you guys follow up talking points to use for when the original misinformation inevitably gets chewed up and broken down by facts and history. They could give you the talking point, and then a subsection with a modified lie or diversion for you to use.
Right now you just look like you don't know what you're talking about. It's sad.
I was only letting booty know that he shouldn't hold his breath waiting for any substance from donuts, that there would either be nothing at all, or a bunch of mindless ranting ( it turned out to be option B).
We're anonymous posters, I don't get my feelings hurt, or get angry at these zombies, but I enjoy calling them out on their crap when I have the chance. I visit this site because I like to see the media called out, and when the Foxbots insist on coming here to double down on the stoopid, I like to hit them with a little truth as well.
When idiots like donut repeatedly say silly things, calling other people liars and posting their fantasies about the debates they've won, I like to point out that they always do it with no meat on the bone.
No crying, no personal attacks, just the facts. I know it's not necessary to expose them any further, everybody here knows what they are, I just like to remind them that they've been asked, and failed miserably, to support the things they say.
You came back with a bunch of insults, and didn't back up anything, just as I said you would.
You don't seem to get it, that what you see as insults directed at you are just stating facts, but you respond with the same "condescending, elitist" BS every time. Do these words even mean anything to you, or do you think repeating them is a good substitute for actually making sense?
ILD, you're a JOKE. We're not afraid of you, we're laughing at you. You're a very, very sad, pitiable little joke.
I don't think they're delusional enough to believe themselves. It's like a toddler who's bawling calling his sibling a crybaby, just a defense mechanism.
Well said. I completely agree.
Why do Fox News and the Republicans want to hurt Americans?
Why do Fox News and the Republicans hate Americans?
Why do you, ilovedonuts, hate Americans?
Why are you lying that MMFA deceptively edits it's videos?
Yeah, It's BS that JH.Jr. did not use the cleaner, Christian, socially acceptable acronym---"S.O.B's"
LOL & ROFLMAO.
OR,... Maybe...
J.H.Jr. shoulda said:
See?? That phraseology makes it totally crystal clear that Hoffa is referring to voting and not violence!!
See?? That phraseology makes it crystal clear that Hoffa is not talking about voting them out of office but is calling for physical violence against them.
DUH!!!
Example or shut the hell up.
P.S. The Republican party just tried to get us to default on our debt just to make Obama look bad. Their number two in the House is threatening to deny emergency aid to his own constituents. They are sons of bitches.
From my experience, wingnuts don't understand the word "example". They think it means repeating a vague hallucination.
Example or shut the hell up."
Here ya go son-of-a-bitch. Some deceptive headlines MMfA has used in just the last few months:
Conservatives Can't Decide If Obama Was Too Busy Golfing Or Biking To Stop The Earthquake
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201108230021#1453432
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Limbaugh Falsely Claims "49% Of The American People [Are] Not Paying Taxes"
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201107270021#1414734
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Right-Wing Media Tout Bin Laden Death As Victory For Torture, Ignore Dispute
http://mediamatters.org/research/201105040024#1315975
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Oblivious: MRC's Bozell Asks Of The Media, "Where Were They When George Bush Won Us The War In Iraq?
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201105060040#1318511
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Ignoring Facts, Right-Wing Media Rush To Congratulate Bush On Bin Laden's Death
http://mediamatters.org/research/201105050029#1318519
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Hannity Repeats Falsehood That "50 Percent Of Americans Don't Pay Taxes"
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201107180040#1405044
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Coulter Pushes Falsehood That 50% Of Americans Pay No Taxes
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201108010029#1419627
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"We Win": Conservative Media Celebrate Public Misconception That Climate Scientists "Falsified" Data
http://mediamatters.org/research/201108080030#1430591
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"Too Much Guinness": Right-Wing Media Again Smear Obama As A Drunk
http://mediamatters.org/research/201105250020#1343294
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New York Mag: Ailes Has Extensive Influence On GOP Politics, Thinks Palin Is An "Idiot"
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105220001#1338485
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Are these ten enough or do you want more?
If donutboy is just working on his follow-up post, where he gives a credible explanation of how MMFA is being deceptive, I'll apologize.
I'm not too worried.
Why can't you guys just use ONE screename?
pathetic........
But he keeps using Lispy Limbaugh as a source, and thinking he's going to not fail with each new screen name. The definition of insanity.
You are a LIAR and a brainwashed MORON. Saying FOX is the only fair and balanced news station may possibly be the stupidest thing ever written in the English language. GOD but you are pathetic. WHY did they edit it so dishonestly? We both know why. So what if he called Republicans sons of bitches your side has called us much worse but that isnt the point. FOX LIED. Whatever pathetic excuses you want to make they LIED. They dishonestly took a phrase out of context to give a misconception.
BTW you are a LIAR. They do not.
Why stoop to such low levels as LYING with this cheap tactic? It might have been rude but really considering what we are called by Micheal Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and the like it is pretty weak and what it WASNT was a call for violence as Fox tried to make it look like. We understand you are stupid and love to be lied to. We understand you are a LIAR and see nothing wrong with telling lies. Decent humans see things differently than soulless brainwashed morons like you
Obama means it and can say what he wants but he isnt Hoffas boss. Nor mine. The president works for me. They arent BS speeches just because you WISH the left would unilaterally disarm and just TAKE the abuse from your side without giving it back. You snivel like a punk that the left treats you guys the way you treat us and its pitiful. YOU are pitiful
The rest of your ignorance spoon fed you by the screechmonkeys that do your thinking for you is just a bunch of lies that you are stupid enough to spew like the mindless propaganda parrot you are. No one in their right mind is STUPID enough to care what stupidity and lies you want to spew today. You disgust all decent human beings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRezVJCJeeM
BTW, those that encourage kabnut by giving him a thumbs up are also freaks.
Interesting....
Why do you come here, then?
Oh yes, and hate on his Obama.
Anyway... expect in quick time for the president to tell hoffa to tone it down!
It was before, however it was after the FOXPAC teabaggers told him to "go to hell" by accusing him of "using civility as censorship"
You are a LIAR. The president doesnt get to tell us what to do. He can only make suggestions. GOD but you are a pathetic brainwashed moron. Far too stupid to know what the word hypocrisy means.
Hoffa didnt call for any violence. By this time even someone as STUPID as you knows that and you are just lying because you are a LIAR.
Never happened.
Sittin' in the back seat
Gotta make my mind up
Which seat can I take?
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...I'm truly very sorry!
Wow, the lies never stop.
2 segments of unedited tape
vs
about 200 blogs, web-posts, tweets from twits using and other FOXPAC radio partners using the edited comments
Fair and balanced... in a fascist world
If they're going to post what Hoffa said, at least put the entire sentence up. Yeesh.
First of all, Fox News makes a parody of itself as a matter of daily practice. Its not badmouthing to point out how pathetically skewed this supposed news source really is. Its a professional critique, one more than merited by the poor choices and negligent practices that are the daily routine on Fox News itself.
Oh, and btw, ever wonder why Tony Blair took Britan into Bushs war, despite the vast majority of British citizens being opposed to it? Isnt this what a Puppet Master really does? I mean, fusing his media empire with international governments in order to ensure that his own interests and agendas remain protected and endowed, even against the wishes of a democratic electorate?
So why does Murdoch own such influence over foreign governments? AS a media mogul, doesnt that make him a bit of a big brother, big government advocate himself?
Why is Fox News such a complete fusion of media with the top down directive of the GOP? Why is it staffed by Career GOP politicians and hopefuls (not to mention lunatic religious zealots and violent bigots)? Thats pretty big government there in the raw.
Why does everything promoted on Fox magically fit the needs of private businesses in Murdochs back pocket? Why does the GOP agenda do as well.
Does Rupert work for the GOP or do they, like Blair, work for him?
I recall Fox News and BigGovernment.com pushing relentless criticism of GW Bush when he called Clymer a "Major League A$$hole," and of Cheney when he told Sen. Leahy to "Go Phukk Yourself" on the floor of the Senate.
Right? Right? They must have criticized that nasty language, right? Because they wouldn't engage in partisan double-standards. Right?
No, it was a weak-kneed description and not even remotely accurate. He should have said called them "idiotic, gun-loving, Bible-thumping, bought-and-paid-for corporate, facist, iceholes!".
Yes, it is fine with me because it is accurate in portraying the sentiment.
J.
SMH & LMAO
Thanks!
>^o.-^<
Ctrl-r-Us
Roger Ailes hires only the top graduates from the Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, Ctrl-X School of Editing.
FOX NEWS - We Distort, You're Deceived
Bada-bing!
You are a LIAR. You know nothing about unions. You know only what you have been told to think about unions. You only spew what you have been brainwashed to think about unions.
You are also far too stupid to even be talking about craniums in any way. This was a LIE. The only thing he planted was the very GOOD idea that they should be voted out of office.
We KNOW how much you love to tell lies and we know how much you love to be lied to but ever for you this is pathetic. You are simply disgusting
Here is another video of Jim Hoffa's speech today. If you would listen to the statments made PRIOR to what MMFA posted (attempting to only have you see what they want yout to see) is another example of why unions are a disgrace. Just another example of unions feeding their sheep line after line. Don't think for yourself, we'll think for you!
The hyocrisy here is absolutely amazing!!! Anything a Republican says such as "crosshairs" is an example of "violent rhetoric" that brings Rep. Pelosi to tears. Yet here we have this mobster calling them Obama's army ready for war, liking a good fight, and of course his classless statement of the day.
Not to mention he claims jobs are going overseas and south of the border and we need to bring jobs back to the USA. Please tell me then why our DOJ has told Gibson Guitars if they move their manufacturing Madagascar their legal situation would go away. That would be a total of 1,200 in TN, AR, & MT. Wonder if those are union jobs?
You are a LIAR. I dont get brainwashed by my union. My union works for me. It is direct democracy. GOD but you are stupid and brainwashed. Feel free to work for starvation wages because you are so stupid and so brainwashed you have been told to hate unions just like you have been told what to think. It must suck to be so as stupid as you and know you are too stupid to think for yourself.
There is no hypocrisy here. Hoffa was clearly talking about voting them out while YOU being so STUPID and such a ridiculous propaganda parrot want to twist reality into a pretzel to claim putting crosshairs on someones district or talking about second amendment solutions dont mean what EVERY thinking person, which sadly you will never be, knows they mean. Here was a man talking about ELECTORAL victories, nothing remotly violent. You are a LIAR.
Why dont you cite a reference for your CLAIM about what the DOJ told Gibson and dont waste our time with some rightwing nutbag site. They are good enough to sucker braindead MORONS like you but rational humans want actual evidence.
You are really a disgusting piece of garbage. Unions are a disgrace for bringing living wages, job security and decent working conditions to workers. YOU are a disgrace for being so brainwashed and such a useful idiot that you would spew idiocy against your own best interest to kiss the butt of power and wealth, begging for some scraps. Be sure to get way up their in the brown after all you lost all your dignity and self respect long ago and you NEVER had a brain of your own
There's about a mile between that statement and claiming that the DOJ "told" them to move their manufacturing overseas.
BTW-Leatherface, Gibson only builds their top end models in the US (and that has been the situation for over 25 years). The majority of their instruments and equipment they sell here are Korean-made (formerly Japanese-made).
Thanks -- I'm lucky in that I get paid to indulge my intellectual curiosity. You mistake my intention though. I never expected to teach leatherybrain anything -- he/she has no room for an opposing viewpoint. There are lots of others who, like me, hadn't heard anything about this Gibson thing until it was posted here. They're the ones I post for.
This is a regulation that Americans should favor, unless the smell of pesticides and the sight of dead trees is your "thing".
Randy
I'm interested in your reference about Gibson Guitars. What's the facts on that, please give a source.
http://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2011/08/31/doj-advises-gibson-guitar-to-export-labor/
The media should demand copies of the pleadings to verify whether the CEO is telling the truth.
Gibson allegedly broke the law and imported illegal wood from Madagascar for their guitars. The DOJ came in and busted Gibson for their allegedly illegal actions. The DOJ stated that had Gibson moved their operations to Madagascar, they could've used the wood but, since they didn't and, instead, allegedly >>BROKE THE LAW<< (this is something the right wing websites seem to fail to mention), that's why the DOJ is now involved.
The investigation is ongoing but I don't buy into the notion that the DOJ said "move your operations".
I'm sure this will make them reconsider their sources, and fact-check all of their info in the future. </sarc>
Essentially, since 2006, it's been illegal to export unfinished wood from Madagascar, but it is legal to export finished wood products. "finished wood products" has a specific definition and it includes "fingerboards" and "fretboards" for musical instruments. The definition explicitly states that "finished wood products" are finished to the point that the wood could not be realistically used for anything other than its stated use. Gibson applied that to what they call "fingerboard blanks" which are rough blocks of wood cut to about the right size and shape to finish into fingerboards.
DoJ has Gibson emails that talk about establishing sources for legal export in the long term and identify a trader they can use in the interim who deals in the "grey market". The emails make it pretty clear that Gibson knew they were buying illegally exported wood and were well aware that if they'd imported actual fingerboards from Madagascar instead of the wood to make them, they wouldn't be in trouble.
Kudos to you for having a much stronger constitution than me.
And that's why you have a stronger constitution than me. ;)
And do you know why? Because the right wing websites pay a lot of money to get their results listed first. Plus, the right wing echo chamber means that it only takes about a day from a single story on Drudge to be the topic of discussion on 100's of right wing websites and eventually the lead story on Fox. What adds to the complexity is that you are now googling the lie rather than the truth, so it takes longer to sift through through the BS. It makes getting to the truth a matter of real effort. That is their goal.
It happens a lot, some wingnut drops a vague reference to a talking-points topic, and I'll try to look it up with a few key words.
Invariably, the first few pages are RedState, FoxNation and Drudge, and every senior citizen with a wordpress page who can copy & paste. Lots of paraphrasing, and short phrases in quotes.
Sometimes it takes five or ten Google pages to get to an actual news account of the item.
Personally, I prefer Ovation acoustics to Martins.
1. Martin
2. Taylor
3. Tie - Ovation & Takamine (not Jasmine)
The case above is also interesting for the "U.S. made" vs. "Overseas" aspect. I wasn't aware of the restrictions on finished and unfinished wood, but I wonder if there are specs as to how much has to be made here to be called " American".
I like to buy American when I can, but as the manufacturers "second" brands, like Gibson's Epiphone, have increased in quality over the past few decades, it makes the choice tougher.
I recently bought a bass made in Indonesia by an American company, I just really liked it, and I could justify it in the budget. It was assembled there, and sent to their shop in Orange, CA for set-up.
I also have a Mexican Strat that I love, but I bought it used, so I can say I bought American. ;0)
No violent rhetoric, no screaming and no call for using weapons.
Don't forget in your crosshairs whine that the right wing are the ones collecting and fomenting fear of the 2nd amendment rights being infringed.
Hows that war on guns you claim Obama is waging coming along? Another idiot right wing lie exposed and debunked.
They do this all the time. The only thing surprising about this is attempt is how clumsy and obvious it is.
I won't hold my breath waiting for MMFA to call Morning Joe out, though. It's on MSNBC, and wasn't spoken by one of the usual suspects. MMFA consistently ignores the most blatantly ridiculous things said on Morning Joe -- unless they're quoting Pat Buchannan. In my mind, this cr*p is even more dangerous when it crosses over into media that's usually seen as more left-leaning (yes, we all know that Morning Joe could comfortably air on Fox most of the time, but people who don't watch it assume that anything on MSNBC is loony left), because it legitimizes the bullsh1t and makes it part of the "center" narrative.
What a jelly.
Also, "So, the fact that Fox utterly fabricated something aside..."
Fixed.
Context is the central issue on this particular manufactured matter as well you know.
I'm surprised, oscar. You're not usually a part of the "move the goalposts" crowd.
Not words I would have used in any public setting, and not words I condone in this setting -- and if that's what people were objecting to, we'd be having a different conversation. It's not, though. The controversy the RW chose to take to the bank was that Hoffa was calling for violence, and when that was disproved, that he was using violent rhetoric, not that he used uncourth language to refer to political opponents.
And you are correct, it was very rude to dog lovers everywhere for Hoffa to refer to the GOP in those terms.
Well, yeah. That's what they do here.
no way to paint a rosy pic on what this guy said. MM is in clean-up mode.
It's not so much an attempt to paint a rosy picture rather than push aside the obstruction that has intentionally be put in place to block their audience from getting the full view.
maybe you should try citing some references MM
Maybe you should click on them before putting your fingers on the keyboard.
Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult
Saturday 3 September 2011
by: Mike Lofgren, Truthout | News Analysis
]Your text to link here...
"Don't retreat, reload!"
A) Jimmy Hoffa
B) Al Gore
C) Karl Marx
D) Sarah Palin
Who said the following?
"You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years.
"I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take [him] out."
A) Keith Olbermann
B) Rachel Maddow
C) Sharron Angle
D) Mary Kay Henry
a)the left
b)pres. Obama
c)Media Matters
d)all of the above
Quick! Who called out Hoffa's speech as non-civil?
a)pres. Obama
b)MM
c)debbie wasserman schultz
d) none of the above
Quick! Who doubled down on their violent rhetoric saying the following when asked if he would repeat the same statement: "I would because I believe it," he said. "They've declared war on us. We didn't declare war on them, they declared war on us. We're fighting back. The question is, who started the war?"
a)jimmy hoffa
b)jimmy hoffa
c)jimmy hoffa
d)all of the above
Get it?
Sorry kids, no multiple choice on this one, but the answer should be obvious.
The origins of unions are steeped in the blood of the low paid workers, who marched for a better life and were beaten, murdered, thrown in jail and abused just for standing up for themselves.
In modern history we have corporate abuse by Walmart and mining companies to keep out unions because they would protect workers.
Unions are being demonized by the right wing corporatists and their sucker followers because they represent the workers. This should wake people like doughnut lover, sancheuz and heenow up, but they remain duped by the propaganda.
September 05, 2011 11:15 AM Reflecting on a ‘cultural shift’ on Labor Day
By Steve BenenIn an 1861 address to Congress, Abraham Lincoln said, “Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”*
One assumes, if President Obama said the same thing, Republicans would immediately brand him a socialist. Hell, they’ve already branded him a socialist for adopting policies moderate Republicans found reasonable in the 1990s.
Similarly, Pope John Paul II offered a powerful argument in support of worker protections in 1981, not only agreeing with Lincoln’s approach that prioritizes “labor over capital,” but also writing that unions “grew up from the struggle of the workers … to protect their just rights vis-a-vis the entrepreneurs and the owners of the means of production,” or to insist that “the experience of history teaches that organizations of this type are an indispensable element of social life.”
read the whole piece here:
Your text to link here...
The thing is, attacking unions is a weak strategy in the long run but will cause pain and suffering as long as people buy into it. I wish evolution would speed up a bit.
That's an understatement:
1) Mandatory Health Insurance-Richard M Nixon suggested that all CORPORATIONS be required to provide health insurance to their workers. In the 1990's the Heritage Foundation (conservative drunk tank) and the GOP proposed mandatory insurance as an alternative to Hillarycare.
2) Cap & Trade legislation - an attorney in the Reagan administration came up with the notion as a way to privatize pollution prevention. Widely endorsed by Heritage and the GOP (McCain/Palin supported in their platform) until the black man was elected.
3) Reducing payroll taxes to stimulate job growth widely endorsed and proposed by the GOP, CATO and Heritage until now that the black man in the White House endorses it.
Do I really need to go on?
Outsourcing is the biggest problem with jobs right now.
What right is it of anyone to tell employees that they can't unionize or that unionizing is "bad"?
D: I agree that gov should not be able to tell the companies that they can't unionionize, but I also think they should not be able to tell them they have to. Again, self-responsiblity, if you dont like a company for it's work-ethic, dont work there. Better yourself so that you can work somewhere else.
C: I see where you are coming from, that unionization might appear to equalize the market force. But I believe it doesn't. Instead, it punishes the market by making the rest of us have to subsidize complacency and artificial wages.
You're analogy is wrong. If we are in the same ditch working, we should be getting paid the same no matter what my "qualifications" are or aren't. A more realistic analogy to your reasoning is that the one working on the ditch, should be getting paid the same as the one with through risk, experience, sleepless nights, started up the ditch digging company.
Where the guy that started up the company had pride in his business and the quality of work done by the people he employed, the new company only cares about how much profit it can make for investors, so it reduces the labor force to unsafe levels, sources inferior equipment and materials, cuts corners on safety procedures and reduces wages until it's only got people working for it who can't get jobs anywhere else.
No, that is your hyperbolic misunderstanding of what labor and progressives want; FAIRNESS.
Nobody says the owner of a company should make the same as the laborers. That is a lie you tell yourself in order to justify your HATE. That is a lie that you tell yourself in order to justify your MEANNESS. That is a lie that you tell yourself in order to cover your IGNORANCE.
Do we have a problem with a Fortune 500 CEO making 300 times what their workers do? YOU BET YOUR ARSE! When CEO's "only" made 40-50 times what their employees made, unemployment was low, middle-incomes were rising and the disparity between the rich an poor was moderate. When CEOs paid 50% of their wages in taxes instead of 18%, we had safe roads and bridges. We were the leader of the world in health and technology. Today, middle income wages have been stagnant for 30 years. Union membership is way down. Income disparity in the US is now at third world levels. The US ranks 34th in infant mortality rate (behind such notable countries as: Cuba and Croatia).
Yeah, we need to do more to de-unionize the country. The rich don't have everything yet.
That is the modern day repug mindset. It is disgusting, but they get faux and limbug etc. to lie to them to justify their ugliness so they don't feel so guilty about it!
Companies don't unionize. Workers do. No government tells workers that they MUST unionize, but many allow companies to tell workers that they CAN'T.
Yes they do. Don't give me this bull. Hard work is all it takes.
Never said they can't. Just said that at this point they are doing more harm then good.
No, paying someone more then what the true market forces stipulate that they should get paid. That puts a burden on the "rest" of us.
I'm not saying they are not.. you are the one with little faith and confidence on the personal spirit for achievement. You are the one doubting that anyone can "better" themselves on their own
Nobody is forcing the comapanies to pay them that much. It's all being moved by market forces. A position of great responsibility usually comes with great recompensation.
not all companies are comprised of greedy 400x paid CEOs by the way. Most employers in this country are the small mom and pops companies who work hard to make an honest living.
B)How important are small businesses? link
C) What will unionization do to help out the matter?
Change the market forces.
B) many of what you consider smnall businesses are not.
C)Yailed to explain what Wal-Mart is doing to your mom and pop shops. I guess because you'd have to say they are runninig them out of business. What will unionization do? How about giving the workers a tool to use against the crushing onslaught of the multi-nationals.
At least you are finally admitting that you're in La-La Land with your comment about faith in personal spirit, since it is physically impossible for all people to get or create their own job. All you have left to support your position becomes apparent: your imagination.
Hey, sancheuz, what market forces were in place for 3 decades, post WWII, that had our country with the most prosperous middle class in the history of the world? Laissez Faire economy? Low corporate/income taxes? Little to no union representation? Low import tariffs? Please tell us why you support exactly the opposite of what made our country great.
-A huge amount of resources
-A huge lower class stepping into the middle
-A huge amount of resources
-Freedom of entrepreneurship
-Hard work
-Did I mention resources?
If you show me how you reached your conclusion
A huge amount of resources and government spending. The GI bill(more government spending)
A thriving and growing union movement. SS and unemployment insurance and yes Welfare. Jobs created due to the government. Hoover Dam,electrical grid,the creation of the interstate. The retooling of industry from war to commoditiy production spurred on by the creation of those jobs along with hard work and did I say unionization? Wake-up dude and join the real world.
-SS and unemployment insurance was what lead to this country's prosperity? You have it backwards, prosperity led to SS and welfare.
-I do agree with the huge post ware industrialization.
I do agree with that infrastructure spending by government leads to job creation, but at this point, there is not much money for this gov to spend. In the past, we'd borrow the money and use it for that purpose. Today, we are borrowing the money and using it for the SS, welfare, medicaid, food stamps, unemployment, ect ect.
SS and unemployment compensation were the results of unions fighting for them. I guess you just skipped the roles of unions in creating a viable and thriving middle-class. Remember the Lincoln quote,it was labor that created wealth and capital.
Today we are spending on two wars and tax-cuts to the wealthiest 2% of the country that controls over 50% of the wealth. That is what led to this debt problem. SS is solvent for the next 30 yrs. and can made more secure with some minor tweaks. Medicaid spending is rising but still more effecient than private health insurance which is the main reason for the rising cost. Food stamps and unemployment add very little to the deficit and can be fixed by creating jobs. The main drivers of this present crisis was the two-wars off the budget along with the tax-cuts,unpaid for prescription drug program written by the pharmaceuticals and the financial meltdown.
No, you are the one who has it backwards. The fact that we were not prospering and that the market crashed is what led to the establishment of SS and welfare.
Social Security is completely paid for, no borrowing done now. It is currently in a $2 trillion surplus, which is why, as congero6189599 points out, it is solvent for decades to come. We are actually borrowing money FROM SS, you have it so unbelievably backwards. That's why, when that surplus fact was brought to light, the R's dismissed the $2 trillion as just IOU's. The cash is there, they don't want you to think it is.
That's why the R's, the especially greedy ones, want to destroy SS and privatize; there is that immensely successful pot-o-gold sitting there, and they want those trillions so badly, that last big hunk of change to steal that the Federal Government has.
And you buy into the lie that SS is a drain on our economy.
Doesn't this tell us all we need to know about sanchez? He doesn't even know the most basic ideas of what he is talking about. He is merely regurgitating lies. We are borrowing money and using it on SS? That is complete ignorance. Laughable, sad ignorance.
This is yet another guy who has been tricked by some silly Austrian economists who choose to act as if the French revolution never occurred. He actually thinks SS came because America was so flush with money during the Depression. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. Grow up, sanchez.
Explain how the lower class moved to the middle. Magic? "Hard work" is not sufficient; you have to explain the market forces.
"Freedom of entrepeneurship": what is that and apparently it is gone today, yes?
-As more ppl stepped worked into middle class, more wealth was created. As the majority of ppl stepped into the middle class, the acceleration of wealth decreased. Our system is based on growth.
-What I meant by the freedoms of E. is the in this country to create. It is not "gone" today, but many in the left see this very "entrepreneurial" spirit as the cause to evil and as something that must be controlled and heavily taxed, and therefore limited.
-What I meant by the freedoms of E. refers to the freedom in this country for one to create and free enterprise. It is not "gone" today, but many in the left see this very "entrepreneurial" spirit as the cause to evil and as something that must be controlled and heavily taxed, and therefore limited.
You named no resources, and failing that, you don't relate the trend of resources to today's waning middle class. Apparently is was a major factor then, but not now.
"Acceleration of wealth"? That would mean that our prosperity is completely unsustainable.
"E" is not what the left sees as evil. Who told you that joke? What is evil: the success of E not paying America back for providing the platform to be successful. Get it? If the hard-working entrepreneur thinks that he deserves every penny he makes, he's a thief, because he owes America for helping to make him successful. That's why we have taxes.
SS was created because we were so wealthy during the Depression? He has no idea how the "greatest generation" moved into the middle class and seems to even admit it. He has no clue that the "greatest generation" was funded by deficit spending and government subsidizing. What a moron.
Did you read that contradictory nonsense before you posted it?
Do you realize that your entire argument reads like an advocate for Social Darwinism?
"If you show me how you reached your conclusion"--sancheuz
Here, here, here
Your anti-union stance is diametrically opposed to what made a prosperous middle class and a great America. Explain why you support the opposite.
Other things that made our country great:
progressive taxation
import tariffs
progressive social advancement
democratic representation
Now's your chance, sancheuz, state your position for all to see. What is the structure of your ideal America? Take some or all those variables into account, or more for that matter. You are now in the spotlight, and at this point, all I expect is windy generalizations of your description, where everybody works hard or we have more freedom or something.
The last figure I read was that mom and pops -- businesses with less than 20 employees, which is how most people view a mom and pop -- actually employ about 18% of the employees in this country -- about 21.5 million people. Companies with more than 500 employees employ more than 56 million, while those who employ between 100 and 500 employees -- medium-sized businesses that are considered "small businesses" by the SBA -- employ about 41.8 million.
Lets not forget who pulls the cart and who actually makes the profits.
"In an 1861 address to Congress, Abraham Lincoln said, “Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”*
It's became a stock phrase to avoid assigning responsibility. ---yoiksaway
that is exactly what it is. As long as you can blame the unemployment problem on people not looking for work(unemplyment insurance),or not working hard etc.,etc., it relieves capital of the responsibility for dealing with it's structural problems. You are poor because you are lazy, not because you work 2-3 jobs and still can't make ends meet and gas has gone up along with everything else. Pull yourself up by your socks,if you have any.
People think that is what atheism is: Anti-religion.
Atheism has not, is not, nor will ever be anti-religion. Some atheists are anti-religion but some atheists have mustaches, too. Anti-religion is not a defining factor for atheism.
Okay, sorry for the interruption. :)
So, after lengthy discussion with sancheuz on unionization and the middle class, with sancheuz ultimately having to bail, I will assume that the escape does not have to do with lack of time to comment, but inability to respond due to lack of information. This will be a great resource for future discussion with those of that ilk. It's an example, a test case, of how a person supports the idea of a society that doesn't exist and never will exist. Get educated, sancheuz, we're rooting for you.
If it is class warfare, though, Conservica shot first.
(pants on the ground for sure, for sure)
will the spineless Democrats distance themselves from Hoffa? without a doubt.
should they back him up instead and call out Fox for it's lies? You bet, but don't hold your breath.
I have become so cynical that I cannot even believe in the decency of the American people any longer. We get what we deserve. We are a country where the ONLY thing that matters is the bottom line. ALL HAIL THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR. Sad, but way too true.
One vote here for dividing the country and be done with it.
Let's not get ourselves riled up and start choosing sides on this yet. Clearly, something doesn't quite pass the smell test here.
Haha stupid libs. How quickly you hide your desire to ruin the country.
Keep talking!
Distorting what a person says in order to mislead people is not wealth. It's called bearing false witness. And it's morally wrong.
Oh, no. Fox does not condone or support violence.
Another set of FOX lies; different day; same strategy.
If they do not, they are not only pure, lowly political animals, but loathsome hypocrites of the most vile and evil sort.
The harder we fight back against corporatist stooges like the tea party and its reich-wing cheerleaders, the wetter their pants get and the creepier Fox behaves. Pretty soon they'll be telling us that "the Statue of Liberty is a demonic idol"...
[VIDEO] Rick Perry's "The Response":
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/rick-perry-partners-apostle-who-thinks-statue-liberty-demonic-idol
Channeling the mob drama, "The Untouchables," Mr. Obama said in reference to the general election rumble with the Republicans: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun. Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans." The comment drew some laughs and applause. Obama said this at a Philadelphia fundraiser.
Obama made the comment in the context of warning donors that the general election campaign against McCain could get ugly. "They’re going to try to scare people". "They’re going to try to say that 'that Obama is a scary guy'.
Here is Palin's reload comment came at a time when several Democratic lawmakers who voted for the healthcare bill have received personal threats to their personal safety:
"Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD! Pls see my Facebook page."
Here is some rancid cream from the top:
Fox News leads the violence
Can you say False Equivalency?
Here are more examples of violence from the Right.
Here is still more violence for the Right Wing.
Here are two Conservative Commentators proving to be completely unaware of the world around him.
Mike Savage:
The Children's Minds Are Being Raped By The Homosexual Mafia
President Obama Is A Neo-Marxist Fascist Dictator In The Making.
Hawaii Will Have Cannibalism Again If They Kick The White Man Out.
Mark Levin:
The Klan's Agenda" And "The Radical Left's Agenda ... Are Pretty Similar
God Put Me Here For A Reason ... To Beat The Hell Out Of Liberals.
Obama is like The New Black Panthers, Who Talked About Killing -- Murdering -- White Babies.
Now for those Michelle Bachmann insights:
Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.
There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design.
I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us having a revolution every now and then is a good thing, and the people -- we the people -- are going to have to fight back hard if we're not going to lose our country.
Went on a walk and, through prayer, discovered that God wanted her to introduce an amendment.
Charles Koch:
"We have Saddam Hussein, this is the Mother of All Wars we've got in the next 18 months. For the life or death of this country."
Words cannot describe how disgusting Fox News and these people are.
And if you're going to call someone on their words, at least QUOTE THEM. Oh, that would be too honest and require a little work, wouldn't it?
Damn. This website is like magnet that attracts liberals positively drunk on neo-comm Kool Aid. It's called "thinking". You do it yourself. You don't let blogs think for you.
Lol. That is what this whole thread was about and what Faux didn't do accurately. Thanks foolio now follow your own advice.
Why do the same people who trust the science behind the airplane they fly in, deny the science that proves their bigotry?
Hmm. Stricken by my inability to think, please, define that term.
Don't be citing any blogs now..
Context does N-O-T-H-I-N-G to vindicate this comment from how offensive it is. We know this was a metaphor. But, it's an inflammatory metaphor, and vulgar to boot. Hardly something someone "Presidential" would give a green light to.
Face it, you pants-wetting selective outrage neo-comm leftists were the ones who repeatedly demanded more civility. You can't call off the dogs simply because one of your own is being uncivil, and the President supports it. Stop being hypocrites and be consistent. I dare you.
Thanks for admitting you're not capable of understanding the subject. Some people are shy about that.
Obvious follow-up; Why were they edited out ?
Are they too stupid to ask that question, or are they just BS-ing, hoping that others are too stupid to see it?
I can't ask conservatives to click multiple links. Their attention span isn't that good after years of watching Fox.
He (Hoffa) condones violence against people that disagree with him. I've seen this type of behavior before this incident.
I find this type of behavior by unions disgraceful and harmful. For Media Matters to say it was anything less than a threat and an insult is dishonest.
Obama's silence is the most telling.