2011: A Year In The NRA's "Insane Paranoid" Conspiracy Theories
December 27, 2011 10:02 am ET by Chris Brown
Former National Rifle Association (NRA) chief Ray Arnet once said, "You keep any special interest group alive by nurturing the crisis atmosphere." The organization has long taken this sentiment to heart. For years, the NRA has warned that nationwide gun bans and confiscation were right around the corner. These threats made up in hysterical rhetoric for what they lacked in credibility.
Arnet's comments demonstrate why the organization has adopted such a dishonest strategy. To sustain its $200-million-plus annual budget, the organization relies upon donations from both its members and the gun industry; constant fearmongering boosts donations from both. By working their members into a frenzy, they can better convince them to financially support the NRA and thus stave off that dark future.
The effort also encourages existing gun owners to purchase more firearms in case such laws are actually passed; new sales to current gun owners are essential to the gun industry given that the number of households owning a gun is in long term decline. Terrifying gun owners bolsters gun sales, which in turn keeps the gun industry profitable enough to direct more funds back to the NRA.
But sometimes, your run-of-the-mill fearmongering just isn't enough. In 2011 the NRA repeatedly turned to one of their favorite weapons to keep alive this crisis atmosphere justifying their extremist political agenda and their own existence: conspiracy theories. Below, Media Matters documents a few of our favorites of the year.
Wayne's World: "Paranoid Insane" "Crazy Far Right" "F$%cking Crazy"
Speaking through their myriad media platforms and any number of conservative media outlets the NRA's paranoid pronouncements were often aimed at President Barack Obama. But it's been a tough sell after Obama largely abandoned efforts to enact gun control legislation, earning him a F rating from the Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence. So NRA executive vice-president Wayne LaPierre got creative, arguing in a September speech that Obama ignored gun control as part of a plot to secretly "destroy the second amendment":
But it's a big fat stinking lie, just like all the other lies that have come out of this corrupt administration. It's all part -- it's all part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment in our country.
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Before the President was even sworn into office, they met and they hatched a conspiracy of public deception to try to guarantee his re-election in 2012.
LaPierre's comments quickly drew well deserved derision from commentators. Jon Stewart summoned up the credibility of LaPierre's conspiracy theory, saying, "It's just so crazy, it's F*#king crazy."
MSNBC's Rachel Maddow also called out LaPierre's comments, saying: "The NRA says the way you can tell Obama is coming for your guns, is that he's not coming for you guns. It's genius! That is the insane paranoid message from the NRA this year."
Maddow's colleague Chris Matthews similarly described La Pierre's comments as "another strain of the crazy far right" and noted their similarity to "civil war talk."
Becoming the object of widespread mockery did little to slow down LaPierre's conspiratorial rhetoric. In October, the NRA executive doubled down on his theory, telling Newsmax.tv that a "second term by President Obama will break that back" of the Second Amendment.
The rest of the organization made no effort to distance themselves from this theory. Undeterred by the reaction to LaPierre's comments, NRA chief lobbyist Chris Cox in fact suggested that the media was in on the conspiracy. Listing half a dozen major news outlets Cox warned the media was engaging in "deceitful effort" to attack gun owners to help Obama win re-election in order to "destroy your rights."
New World Order: "Hillary Clinton Has Teamed up With Countries Like North Korea, Iran And Cuba" To Take Away Your Guns
Moving ever closer to tinfoil hat territory, the NRA repeatedly pushed a revamped version of LaPierre's long running United Nations scare mongering. Donations from the gun industry only go so far, so what better way to raise money then by warning people of a ominous conspiracy about Hillary Clinton, North Korea, Cuba, and Iran working together to curtail civilian gun ownership?
In August a Colorado man recorded the following discussion from a NRA membership fundraising call:
CALLER: Do you think it's okay for the U.N. to be on American soil attacking our gun rights?
RECIPIENT: I mean, I really don't know that much about it, what are they trying to do?
CALLER: Hillary Clinton has teamed up with countries like North Korea, Iran and Cuba to draft this arms trade treaty that could have a drastic impact on civilian gun ownership. The U.N. wants us to believe this treaty is about automatic weapons and dirty bombs, but the fact is all hunting rifles, shotguns and pistols can be on the table.
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CALLER: Normally five years of annual membership would cost a $175, but because this represents such a major threat to our gun rights and freedoms, today we discounted that all the way down to $125.
Of course, the arms trade treaty in question would do nothing of the sort. TheWashington Post has reported the goal of State Department negotiators working on the Treaty is get other countries to agree to follow import and export rules that the U.S. has already instituted:
The Obama administration hopes it can use the talks to press other governments to adopt a rigorous system of export controls similar to one put in place to regulate U.S. arms exports.
TPM Media reported that experts watching the negotiations have suggested the treaty requirements are largely already in place under existing American law:
Jeff Abramson, the coordinator of the pro-treaty Control Arms Secretariat, told TPM, "[Second Amendment-citing] critics say the sky will fall, but the things the treaty suggests already exist in the US. It's hard to see where the US would need to make changes to its existing national laws."
The NRA's Cox later tried to argue that the U.N. treaty is "completely unnecessary" because the United States "operates what even Hillary Clinton admits is the 'gold standard' of export controls for arms transfers.'" But that's the entire point of the treaty -- Clinton made that comment while expressing U.S. support for a treaty that would "promote the same high standards for the entire international community."
What The... Botched ATF Operation Initiated To Promote Gun Control?
In what has become a message that has been echoed by Fox News correspondents and in right-wing blogs, LaPierre has pushed the ridiculous claim that the failed Operation Fast and Furious was initiated as a secret plot to lay the ground work for gun control.
Under Fast and Furious, ATF agents allowed suspected traffickers to purchase more than 2,000 firearms from Arizona gun shops. Many of those guns later made their way across the border, turning up at Mexican crime scenes. A reportissued by House Oversight Chairman Darrel Issa (R-CA) and Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA) stated that the purpose of Fast and Furious, "was to wait and watch, in the hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case."
The Obama administration has acknowledged that the operation never should have happened, has transferred those with direct oversight of the operation or allowed them to resign, and is currently investigating how it came to pass. No evidence has emerged to suggest that senior Administration officials were aware of the controversial techniques in use.
But the NRA, whose top priority is defeating President Obama's re-election, has turned the operation into a conspiracy. On Fox News' Happening Now in March, LaPierre said:
[The administration] can only prove a trickle of guns going down to Mexico. Someone in the government, it looks like to a lot of people, decided to change that trickle into a river of guns going down there to seek political advantage.
Writing in the NRA's multiple publications LaPierre said:
In one of the best descriptions of "Fast and Furious," Robert Farago wrote in the Washington Times that " ...The agency's motive for creating a program that violated Mexican sovereignty and put innocent lives at risk: inflating the number of American firearms recovered at Mexican crime scenes.
The more blood-soaked American guns in Mexico the ATF could identify for its congressional paymasters, the more compelling its case for increased federal funding and new agency-enforced gun-control regulations. In short, 'Operation Fast and Furious' was an anti-gun-running gun-running program."
All of this was done to bring about Barack Obama's promised "under the radar" gun control. The BATFE/Justice response to getting caught in this bloody scandal is to double down. Breathtaking.
What's truly breathtaking is LaPierre's willingness to push such wild conjecture absent any evidence. The NRA has already used such wild claims to suggest that Attorney General Eric Holder should resign. In all likelihood the politicization and conspiracy mongering about the failed ATF operation from the NRA is just getting started.
Irony Alert: NRA Complains Other Gun Group's Conspiracy Aimed To "Raise Money"
Not every conspiracy theory involving secret gun control plans was to the NRA's liking. In October the far right National Association For Gun Rights (NAGR) sent an e-mail alert suggesting the NRA's favored legislation -- the National Right-To-Carry Reciprocity -- would become a vehicle gun control.
NAGR executive director Dudley Brown wrote to members:
Even worse, once this bill starts moving, anyone can amend the bill with anything ... and no legislation can bind a future Congress in any way. And that doesn't count what Obamacrats in the Department of Justice might dream up as the "regulations" to carry out the legislative "intent."
But mark my words, H.R. 822, the National CCW Registration Act, will become nothing more than a Trojan Horse for even more federal gun control.
Seemingly unaware of the irony, the NRA pushed back against criticism of H.R. 822, complaining, "There's been a lot of misguided, unfounded, and just plain incorrect information circulating on the Internet" coming from gun groups that "continually sound false alarms and 'stir the pot' in an effort to be noticed. (And to raise money, of course.)."
No question.
2012: Brave New Frontiers In Conspiratorial Ramblings?
With the Presidential election coming up in 2012 it's probably safe to say the NRA is going to keep all manner of paranoid and alarmist messages coming. When they find their facts falling short or their fundraising running low expect to see the NRA's next massive conspiracy rolled out.
















the NRA always needs a boogie man to garner new recruits to their cult....
In Pittsburgh, 3 policemen were gunned down because the killer thought they were after his guns...he read it in the rightwing blogs and heard it on Fox
Not one cent was from the govt or taxpayers? Got to love them
Yeah, where is that "organized left" when you need them, eh? Lol! I guess they reside only in the wingnut imagination. And their imaginations are vewy fecund. Or it's just the paranoia talking to their very fevered schizophrenic minds.
Imagine the bliss of having that simple a love /hate decider in your head..
What I like about this thread is the suggestion that donations from the gun industry...to the gun lobby...is in some way supposed to be different from "payment for services rendered".
Ahhh, binary thinking. Base two: one / zero, on / off.
Tax / no tax
good guy / bad guy
with us / against us
freedom lovers / freedom haters
guns / no guns
free market / whatever really happens
screw top / cork
me / all of the other drivers
You're right, dave, what does it matter?
All of these blissful criteria, and so many more! My world is so much more simple now.
Then again, it's hardly news when the current version of the Democratic party abandons the idea of passing progressive legislation, is it?
For a bunch of gun toting macho posturing, they sure are a bunch of fearful p*ssies.
Then again, this might be some more NRA propaganda. ;-)
Actually, a friend of mine from HS that I recently got reacquainted with is a professor at Tufts and has done all of those things, just not concurrently! And he has a big brain. Um, could only speculate about the other organ! Lol.
I'm in process of asking him if he's an NRA member. I'll report back if possible...
Also, as evidenced by many right wing posters here, and by the nature of their arguments I think the difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives believe that achieving those selfish ends always justifies the means.
I've always been more of a pro-gun liberal, but I can't stand the NRA because of their unhinged and fraudulent rhetoric.
I really don't know if they receive any subsidies, but they sure try to influence elections through paranoia campaigns like these. I only hope these lies don't inspire any additional gun violence, we have enough of that in this country without fear mongering about black presidents wanting to take all yer' guns.
A binary brain can only connect two dots per calculation.
Folks like Dave will argue that collected taxes are not paid directly to the NRA to support its agenda.
On the other hand, he would be perfectly willing to diagram the serpentine route of his tax dollars in circumventing the Hyde Amendment and several other legislated firewalls to finally arrive in the pockets of abortion doctors.
Then he will also tell us how untaxed donations that support MMFA somehow came out of HIS pocket.
Of course the post script is always how my nonfunctional liberal brain is incapable of understanding how the binary brain's conclusions are reached.
What can you say to someone so utterly alien to the very CONCEPT of morality that the idea a group lies to its sheeple to fleece them for money brings astonishment from dave that anyone could POSSIBLY care about immoral behavior. What do YOU care it doesnt cost YOU any money. The very concept that someone might care about someone else being wronged doesnt even register to the sociopath dave
Meanwhile, the current left (which is actually the middle) views the country as someone views their spouse. They love their spouse with all their heart and want to help them when they are having problems and doing wrong.
I apologize if it was something Al Franken published; I didn't know.
I understand that constant LYING is not a problem for you. That you hate truth and reality. That you love to tell lies and be lied to but most people find charlatans that fleece good hearted people with lies to be repulsive. Probably just ONE of the reasons you will never be within smelling distance of healthy distaff human being
It cost a lot to those who are victims of gun violence and their families. That 3 year old who shot and killed a 5 year old yesterday may have cost you nothing, Dave, but as a human being it should cost us all in more than just money. I am also sure that not every gun victim brought to the ER has health insurance. Who pays those medical (and funeral) bills?
Seriously? the right they use this delusional propaganda to protect, happens to KILL people every day in this country you buffoon.
WOW, that's a LOT of money. Somebody's getting rich fleecing the flock.
You are seriously one mentally disturbed, ethically repugnant, morally retarded subhuman moron
The NRA benefits from Taxpayer money every chance it gets.
The fundraising call is just ridiculous-
WTF can listen to crap like this with a straight face? I got a Robocall once asking if I supported "Nancy Pelosi's government takeover of our healthcare", and I thought that was funny. They're ratcheting up the crazy.
Ya...it was such a good phrase he used it twice.
Mull over this one..it made my brain sore....;
"And why hasn't someone pointed out to him that spending money appropriated for one purpose on another purpose he came up with himself is a felony? Who issues these checks, and why don't they know?"
There are some minor restrictions that local governments have enacted, but a major change will not happen.
I have lived in Tokyo, Japan, where there are no guns except for the gangsters, and it is one of the safest places on earth.
It would be ridiculous to claim that if we take away all of the guns in America that the cities would be as safe as those of Japan, but it would be a good starting point. However, even without the NRA to oppose any limitations on guns of any kind, an amendment probably would not pass.
This stance by the NRA is paranoid. They are apparently demonizing the president by attributing powers to him that he does not have so that NRA people can be more fearful and cling more closely to a cult-like organization. Why don't they just come out with some racist comment?
Give them time. 2012 election is right around the corner. Give them time.
They must be called for the loony tunes, neo-fascist, vigilante organisation bordering on the paramilitary in its outlook, that they are. Put simply, the greedy megalomaniacs that run that shower are a menace to civil society.
But then I realized it was probably both. ;-)
I also get sick to death with dopey malapropisms. Sometimes my television or radio sounds like it's being scripted by Sheridan.
One of my particular peeves is people who complain about how hard it is to hoe a road. Well I suppose it should be, particularly if said road is bituminised. As for those people who keep something of sentimental value for a "momento", I can only assume that they are suffering from a peculiar form of Italian attention deficit disorder.
I guess there is no substitute for "fresh eyes" when it comes to subbing.
I cringe when people add an extra syllable to a perfectly complete word, to make it mean the opposite of what they intended ( irregardless).
"Begging the question" is almost a lost cause, it's used by everybody in the media to mean "prompting a question", instead of the logical fallacy.
Maybe the reason "pundint" gets under my skin is that it's abused by people whose job description is pundit. Shouldn't they know better?
Then again, I've known people who sold houses and called themselves " realitors", and masons who described what they do as masonary.
NRA Claim: "Ban Rifle Ammunition Commonly Used for Hunting and Sport Shooting"
S. Amdt. 1615 to S. 397 which sought to "expand the definition of armor piercing ammunition."
Obama supported this amendment that could have been interpreted to include many types of rifle ammo used for hunting as armor piercing.
NRA Claim: "Ban the Manufacture, Sale and Possession of Handguns"
Obama claims that his campaign manager answered yes to a question on the survey by mistake and Obama sent in a written signed letter clarifying his position on this. He did so after it grabbed media attention and we know that Obama NEVER tells the media what they want us to hear but does the opposite just as he did with many promises he made that helped get him elected.
NRA Claim: "Mandate a Government-Issued License to Purchase a Firearm"
Obama indeed has spoken in favor of licensing guns. He also said a national gun registration law isn't politically possible: "I just don't think we can get that done." He knew it was political suicide to attempt this and that he did not have support to pass such laws but if the support had been their I believe he would have tried to get such laws passes. These laws have no affect on criminals because they would never obey such laws and this would put unneeded burden on law abiding gun owners.
NRA Claim: "Pass Federal Laws Eliminating Your Right-to-Carry"
In 2004, while running for the Democratic nomination for Senate, Obama indeed called for "national legislation" to prevent anyone but law enforcers from carrying concealed firearms.
NRA Claim: "Expand the Clinton Semi-Auto Weapons Ban to Include Millions More Firearms"
Obama called the ban a "common sense gun law" and favors bringing it back on a permanent basis. Obama's "Urban Policy" fact sheet says he "supports making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.
NRA Claim: "Increase Federal Taxes on Guns and Ammunition by 500 Percent"
This claim is based on an article that appeared in the Chicago Defender on Dec. 13, 1999, when Obama was in the Illinois state Senate. According to the Defender, at an anti-gun rally, Obama "outlined his anti-gun plan," which, among other things, sought to "increase the federal taxes by 500 percent on the sale of firearms and ammunition.
NRA Claim: "Close Down 90 Percent of Gun Shops in America"
This claim also is based on the 1999 Defender article. It reported Obama was pushing "all federally licensed gun dealers sell firearms in a storefront and not from their homes while banning their business from being within five miles of a school or a park." The NRA states that the 5-mile limit would have resulted in the closing of 90 percent of gun shops in the country.
Many of the NRA claims that MMFA are ranting about have not been instituted because Obama does not have the support to pass these laws but has made it clear that he supports doing so. Obama also knows that if he seeks a second term he cannot attempt to pass such laws or it would end any chances he might have of re-election but if he is re-elected he will have no such limitations and he could start making good on many of his beliefs.
Also Obama picked Eric Holder as AG and he was the architect behind the Clinton gun ban and has also said he would like to see it a permanent law. Then look at Obama's two picks for Supreme Court judges they are both very anti-gun.
Bottom line is Obama has fueled many of the claims the NRA is making by his own words and actions.
More fear = more guns and ammo purchased = more donations to the NRA.
Obama, the NRA and the gun industry constitute a fear-fueled, money-generating symbiosis.
Besides, I believe you did use the word "actions" above, which is not the same as your assertion of his intentions.
Exactly! Obama wants to do all these things, even though he's not actually trying to. The reason he's not actually trying to is because he can't accomplish them regardless. He can't accomplish them because the majority is against him. So THAT'S why the NRA is right and we should be afraid! Because Obama isn't trying to do the things that he can't do anyway because his side has no support!
This is why I've founded the National Protection Association. You see, there are all these bad guys in prison. Everyone knows they all want to commit more crimes, they just can't accomplish it. But if you donate to my organization, together we can fight the inaction of these people who aren't making any progress toward doing anything to harm us!
We do need to keep those Mellishes in line.
Militia Etheridge.
In other words you are resorting to MIND reading to tell us what he WANTS to do since you cannot point to a single thing he has ever TRIED to do. Good job being the mindless, brainwashed minion of ignorance you have been since your first post here
Nice to hear from you again.
I hope you had a Merry Christmas.
I did indeed though I had to work on Xmas eve, day and the day after. That happens sometimes. I hope you also had a merry Christmas
We are currently using drones in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somilia. Look into the Human Rights Watch, they have petitioned the government over the innocent deaths and abuse of the drone attacks.
Here are some links for the war drums against Iran. This is really an easy subject to reasearch because a lot of people are seeing the parallels between the lead up to Iraq and now they hype over Iran.
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Please debunk at your earliest convenience. If you can.
What is the fundamental difference between the rabid rants of the gun nuts and those of Theodore Kaczynski? They seem equally dystopian in their view of society.
As a matter of interest, which had the greater death toll? Kaczynski's reign of bombing terror or the continual stream of death, maiming and sorrow caused by firearms that are tragically to hand when someone "does their nut", let alone improperly stored weapons and ammunition getting into the hands of minors (as a matter of courtesy I'll leave out the dumb accidents that occur amongst "hunters").
I put it that the gun lobby and its fellow travellers are not only more dangerous than the Unabomber but pose a greater danger than all of the acts terrorism that have been perpetrated in the U.S.
Sorry to burst your ignorant bubble genius but asking someone to show a drivers license to vote is not like having to show your drivers license and submit to a background check at minumim and some states require special license to purchase and own firearms.
Besides we vote for polititions that are supposed to serve the American people but instead serve the large corporations and offshore banks that have them in their back pockets. Also how many innocent people have been murdered by Bush and Obama with the unconstitutional wars and the bombing with drones.
If you have a problem with submitting to a background check, I frankly don't want you owning a gun. People go through more strenuous requirements for babysitting gigs. Saying gun regulations are pointless because criminals won't follow them is like saying we don't need to outlaw muder, because murderers won't listen.
Also, how many innocent people have been murdered by people who should not have been allowed to own a firearm, thanks to gun show loopholes and NRA lobbying?
Sorry to inform you but you are FAR too stupid to be calling someone else ignorant. You are the epitome of ignorance. You are ignorance personified. And you are a LIAR with your constant claims about what YOU think is unconstitutional. You are far too stupid to understand the constitution or tell us anything about it
I live in a country where voting is not a right - it is a legal obligation. Being a secret ballot - something we did first - the actual selecting of a candidate is a matter between the voter's conscience and the ballot box (there is always a number of informal votes, some of which are mistakes and some of which are deliberate). As voting is a legal obligation for all eligible residents it is also an obligation of the Electoral Commission to assist all those eligible to vote to do so. Voter suppression is not our national sport as it seems to be amongst U.S. Conservatives.
Australian election campaigns are focussed on getting people to vote for a particular party/candidate. We know they are going to fill out a ballot paper, we just need to convince them to support us.
We also have sensible firearms control which, although not perfect, reduces the threat to ordinary citizens.
Now this is unfathomable to me. I grew up in the country and driving was a must to get anywhere. But city dwellers and folks that perhaps can't afford a vehicle and all the the attendent costs may not drive.
Does not having a DL mean you're not qualified to vote? Or that you're less of an American? Yeesh...
May I be so nibby to ask why? Just curious. But if you prefer not to answer, no prob.
I'm working to get over this irrational fear and I hope to work on getting a license soon, but it's tough. I sometimes still have the nightmare.
Otherwise she's a highly functioning person.
The beauty part of what you do is that it's more ecologically friendly! Hey, you're part of the new trend in "degrowth" economics that may save the planet and the economy! I'll call you a "difference maker"! <---Stole that from Colbert, ha!
Do you have any updates on Building #7?
I hope you are not stupid enough to believe what the Bush administration said happened but you probably are.
I am an engineer and I understand strengths of material and the effects of heat and office furniture and interior walls would never give off enough heat to collapse the building especially at free fall speed and perfectly into its footprint. Have you ever watched the videos of it collapsing? Are you that stupid to think it would collapse at free fall speed and perfectly into its footprint without the aid of explosives.
If you do than that is beyond stupid that is willfully stupid because common sense should tell you that if it was structural damage and fire the building would have collapsed much slower and not all at once perfectly into its footprint. This is the reason the Bush administration got by with their lies, many American people have become stupid and gullible.
It would have never collapsed like it did from the damage and fires and only a complete moron would believe it did. Also their we're several NY fire fighters that came out and publicly said ther heard multiple explosions when the building fell. The building would not have fallen as neatly as it did by the fires and damage and many engineers have stated this. People like you are the reason our corrupt government is getting by with the lies the push through the media they control. You are a very foolish and illinformed person.
Also, please provide evidence for your assertions.
Since you are not capable of thinking for yourself here are some links to creditable evidence that the building did not collapse on it's own.
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If you believe the governments story you are a foolish sheep because many experts dispute the official story which is absolutely a lie.
Your first link begins with a lie: "For the building to collapse in this fashion, all of the load bearing supports would have had to fail at exactly the same time." No, it doesn't. The "load bearing supports" failed because of the massive weight of 40 stories of building on top of it.
7WTC collapsed NOT in free-fall time but it took about 18 seconds. 7WTC was weakened by the SEVERE internal fires (in contrast to the claim that there were only a few small fires). 7WTC fell backwards and to the SE just as physics says it would. And pieces of debris from 7WTC landed on top of a building across Barclay Street. 7WTC did not fall symmetrically into its own footprint. All four links you've provided are not telling the truth. If you believe these sites unquestioning, you are a foolish sheep. I can't find a single expert that claims otherwise.
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You also conveniently ignore that Obama has taken literally NO action to significantly change gun control policy, despite the Democrats having had Congressional control and despite having had politically convenient opportunities to do so.
You can't help but look at the realities of Obama's gun policy, and realize it is nowhere near the big scary government intrusion to take your guns and put you in camps run jointly by the "team" of Clinton, N. Korea, Iran, and Cuba. Yet somehow you still say "but we all know that's what he REALLY wants to do".
I'm pretty sure that's textbook paranoia.
Once again you spew a bunch of nonsense already debunked HERE. You are pathetic and you are brainwashed and you NEVER have even a dim clue what you are talking about. The bottom line is what the others have said. He has done NOTHING to try to curb gun ownership. NOTHING. That YOU were easily brainwashed by liars is not a suprise to anyone. You think exclusviely what you were told to think. I pity you
And NO, you are a LIAR, Obama has DONE nothing to fuel such idiocy. You are just spewing NRA propaganda. Gun rights have actually expanded since Obama took office you moron
The Blaze has a story up about MMFA being mentioned in a Girl Scouts book dealing with Media, lies and misinformation.
Here is the Link
Since I saw no story on this here yet, I really had no where else to post it.
The Girl Scouts should not be promoting any sources for the girls to turn to for their media source they should be teaching them that they must think for thenselves and reasearch what the read from any web site or the main stream media.
The problem with liberals is they portray Fox News as the only news media that lies and exaggerates news stories but the truth is all main stream media do this. MSNBC and NBC are just as bad as Fox but you do not see MMFA going after them like they do Fox and that is because most of the other main stream media outlets have a left leaning agenda that MMFA supports but is not nessicilary supported by many Americans and Fox has a right leaning agenda that MMFA despises.
My point is the Girl Scouts should not be pushing their sources for accurate news that is something that every individual should decide for themselves otherwise it is indoctrination of young minds.
If you want to find "liberal bias" (aka the truth) anywhere, get a subscription to "The Nation" or "Mother Jones". Tune into Bill Moyer's new program that starts in Janurary.
Sister or brudder, you've got nada, zip, zero, squat and bupkis to complain about regarding liberal bias. Get real and take the blinders off.
You are a LIAR. Truth is truth. You are just too stupid to know what the word means and have this delusion that truth means whatever you were TOLD to think. Your snide comment about liberal truth shows only that you are a brainwashed moron.
It is hilarious to read someone as completely brainwashed as you are talking about someone thinking for themselves. Since MMFA backs up all the things they post this is a very decent site to do research IF what you are researching is conservative media misinformation.
You are a LIAR. Mostly because you are so stupid and so brainwashed. Most of the media does NOT lean left. That is just the lie you like and were told to think. There is very little left leaning media. For the most part media doesnt lean left or right, besides FOX which is an outright propaganda arm for the right. For the most part it has a business bias. If you werent such a moron you would know that on policy issues Americans overall lean toward more left than right policies. If you read Pew polling which has been polling on policy issues since the sixties when you take religious issues out of the mix we poll about like Finnland and have consistantly for decades. Almost 70% want a single payer health insurance. What left leaning media put THAT out there?
My point is you are too stupid and too brainwashed to tell the Girl Scouts what they should do.
MMFA does lean left and MSNBC is absolutely a left leaning news media. MSNBC was also absolutely doing everything they could to get Obama elected.
Also just because MMFA links to some of their sources does not mean that all of their sources are creditable. Many of their sources are left leaning and their evidence of media misinformation is sometime still someones opinion without actual evidence.
Psycho3D asked a good question and that is if the Girl Scouts listed The Blaze as a source for news would you be outraged by this? I believe the answer is yes. I would not want them to list The Blaze either because it is not what the Girl Scouts is supposed to be about. The girls do not join the Girl Scouts to be told where to get their news so NO source should have been mentioned in the book and I do not believe the Girl Scouts should be giving books to the girls about media at all.
So please tell me what I lied about? I consider MMFA and MSNBC to be left leaning and that is my opinion and I am not alone in this opinion so how is this a lie when evidence shows otherwise?
You also call me brainwashed and that I only think what I am told to think but that is not possible because we all read and watch the content we process in our minds so what makes you so brilliantly smart that you just know all this information without ever reading or watching anything to shape your opinion?
I have decided to no longer stoop to your level and start calling you names because I do not give your responses any credibility. They are mostly just childish rants with no proof or substance just your OPIOION. A opinion that you came to by reading and watching content just like the rest of us.
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Is a lie. You are a liar. You are just being an obnoxious jerk
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Is both a LIE and nonsense. The term lean left is so vague and subjective as to mean nothing. Your FIRST claim was they are as bad as FOX, which of course was another in your ongoing string of lies. They are NOT liberal in the way FOX is conservative. I am a liberal and MSNBC doesnt push my point of view. This is just another bit of stupid you were TOLD to think.
You have become a pathetic moron blah blah liberal blah blah left. You are stupid. You are brainwashed and ignorant. Just because you SAY something leans left doesnt mean it is so. It just means that is what you were TOLD to think. You just dont want to accept anything that hasnt been programmed into you by those who do your thinking for you.
I dont care WHAT you believe. You are stupid and brainwashed and believe what you are told. I answered his question. The Blaze is a propaganda site and Beck is a complete psychotic moron and liar. In that he is a lot like you. They do NOT back up their sources. You just want to regurgitate the same false equivalence that the blaze is the same as MMFA. It isnt stop being such a moron.I already told you that I dont CARE what a brainwashed moron like you thinks and that you are FAR too stupid to be advising the Girl Scouts about anything
I already showed where you lied. MSNBC doesnt lean left in the way FOX leans right and that is the claim you made and it is a lie. Only the stupidest and most brainwashed morons on the planet beleive it does. MSNBC did NOT do everything they could to get Obama elected that is another lie. The evidence shows no such thing that is just one more lie. Basically you are just a liar.
You spew nothing but talking points. Stupid, long ago debunked talking points along with somewhat newer ones. The fact you are too STUPID to know how brainwashed you are doesnt really change factual reality. Your spew about the liberal media and MSNBC being as bad as FOX is pure brainwashing. It is far too ridiculous to be taken seriously or come to as a rational opinion. Brainwashing is the only answer. How many times have I heard MSNBC worked to get Obama elected. An outright lie and ignorant to boot. Only brainwahed morons like say YOU keep saying it.
WWWWWAHHHHH. You are a punk. You say rude and insulting things about the left all the time including your post above. Do you really think that BULL about liberal truth isnt really the truth was meant to foster a discussion? It was an insult. A childish and ignorant poke at us so spare me the snivelling about the punk you are that I dont treat YOU with respect. When you actually discuss something and stop telling us what we want, what we think, or push your rude mischaracterizations of us. Stop just spewing out the ignorant talking points I have heard dozens of times then pretending that you thought them up yourself I will give you a rational non hostile response. As of now you are just a punk troll and that is how I treat you.
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MSNBC does lean left and even Chris admitted this and YES they did help get Obama elected.
You say these are lies because that is what you are TOLD to say but you can't even do a simple google search on the subject that will prove I am not lying but that you are uninformed.
You also call someone's OPINION a lie but it is not it is an OPINION you just can't seen to get this.
As kab said, You are just an ignorant liar.
You are STUPID. I guess I have to dumb this down to your submoron level. Just because you have an OPINION doesnt mean it isnt a lie. I can have the OPINION that you molest small furry animals. I can believe that just because you are so stupid and I want to think so. That is the level of your thinking about MSNBC because there is NO POSSIBLE rational reading or evidence this is true. IF I go around telling everyone that you molest small furry animals and dont have a couple of them to wave around and prove my point it is legitimate for you to say I am lying without proving the negative. That is how it works.
You are very stupid and very brainwashed if you think MSNBC is as bad left and Fox is right. The very proposition is ludicrous on the face of it. You only think it true because you were told to think it true. There is no such evidence and considering the incredily lame sources you usually use like pajamas media I wont ever bother to click your link. Yes there are propaganda sites out there that say anything. I once ran a across a site about how the Smurfs were a socialist conspiricy. The fact it is good enough to brainwash someone as stupid as you doesnt make it evidence.
I dont CARE what Chris said. Tweety is a moron. What would that even mean anyway. That they did EVERYTHING they could to get Obama elected as was your claim or they didnt push the rightwing LIES like EVERY station including MSNBC did with the Swift Boat Liars for Rent thing. That they told the truth and did a good journalistic job could have helped get Obama elected. Your claim is stupid. You have to be monumentally stupid to repeat it. MSNBC did not do everything they could to get Obama elected it is a moronic thing to even say
I am NOT lying nor am I uninformed. I have no obligation to prove a negative. That is another logical fallacy. The very sugggestion that a station that employs former GOP Congressman Scarborough and Racist rightwing jerk Buchannon is a far left outfit as bad as Fox is too stupid to even take seriously. I am sorry that you are so stupid you were so easy to brainwash to believe such blatantly ignorant tripe.
I already dealt with that bit of stupidity. As Hunter S Thompson said if you are going to call someone a pigf*&er you darn well better have the pig. When you make such baseless assertions that are insulting and frankly too stupid to even take seriously you are a LIAR. If I kept telling everyone you molest small furry animals and had no reason to believe this other than it was my OPINION, you would be quite right to call me a liar. That is what you are doing and hide behind the its my opinion all you want. Since there is no rational reason to have such an opinion then it is MY opinion that you are a LIAR.
Fox & MSNBC on the same level? When's Fox gonna give Barney Frank a 3-hour morning show? Maybe just parity of left/right on panels, instead of their standard 3, 4, or 5 to one RW bias?
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I see no reason not to include MMFA in their book.
Question is the BLAZE a source that links to source material to back up their claims like MMFA does or do they just make unsubstantiated, baseless assertions? You constantly add logical fallacies to your arguments. The fales equivalence is by definition a logical fallacy. You always want to equate things that are not the same
While most of us are progressive, we will admit relevent infomation from sources on the rightwing. It is rare, but has been duly noted on occasion here.
Do you have a problem with VPC work, or is it untrustworthy do to a percieved liberal bias on your part?
And Psycho, there is NO comparison to the scholarship exhibited at this site and what passes for reality at "teh blaze" to answer your bizarro world question.
The abandoned property is claimed by land developers with the assistance of the Mexican military to develop maquiladoras with cheap labor and neighboring communities attacting retired US citizens receiving Social Security.
The idea that Fast and Furious was to circumvent the Second Amendment shows just how out of touch the extremist right wingers are.
And Fast and Furious...yeah, sure. It was an "investigation". It was the ATF "investigating" how well they could arm the CIA's drug-cartel allies against rival groups who weren't paying their cut to Wachovia.