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The John & Ken Show: Gay Men Force Actresses Toward Emaciation Because "Gays Like Bodies That Remind Them Of 14 Year-Old Boys"

January 17, 2012 1:57 pm ET by Remington Shepard

During the January 16 broadcast of Clear Channel's The John and Ken Show, co-hosts John Kobylt and Ken Chiampou discussed the 69th Golden Globes Awards with news contributor Shannon Farren. While discussing how many of the actresses appeared to be "emaciated," Kobylt claimed that "gay guys control...the whole Hollywood look" and that because "gays like bodies that remind them of 14 year-old boys," actresses have to look like "14 year-old boy stick figures." From The John and Ken Show

FARREN: I don't watch [awards shows] because every time I do, I just want to feed them a burger, every actress I see. I just want to feed them, they look so emaciated.

KOBYLT: I know they look so--that's not attractive.

CHIAMPOU: But that's the game though. They have to be more emaciated than the other famous actress.

FARREN: Yeah, and this is the time of year.

KOBYLT: That's right. And it's because--

CHIAMPOU: They get jealous and see photos of someone thinner than them.

KOBYLT: Gay guys control the fashion industry and the casting industry and the whole Hollywood look. And gays like bodies that remind them of a 14 year old-boy. Guys like curves. Guys like curves. Absolutely, positively. It's biological, because a woman with curves looks like she can bear your children successfully and that's biologically what a man is looking for. So sexually a guy is much more turned on by a woman with curves than these 14 year old-boy stick figures. And that's how I know for sure, I don't need to do any research or any proof that it's gay guys who control the entire casting industry.

Kobylt's claim that "gays like bodies that remind them of a 14 year-old boy" suggests that gay men are largely attracted to children and invokes the persistent myth that gay people molest children at far higher rates than heterosexuals In a 2010 post the Southern Poverty Law Center debunked this myth:

According to the American Psychological Association, "homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men are." Gregory Herek, a professor at the University of California, Davis, who is one of the nation's leading researchers on prejudice against sexual minorities, reviewed a series of studies and found no evidence that gay men molest children at higher rates than heterosexual men.

Anti-gay activists who make that claim allege that all men who molest male children should be seen as homosexual. But research by A. Nicholas Groth, a pioneer in the field of sexual abuse of children, shows that is not so. Groth found that there are two types of child molesters: fixated and regressive. The fixated child molester -- the stereotypical pedophile -- cannot be considered homosexual or heterosexual because "he often finds adults of either sex repulsive" and often molests children of both sexes. Regressive child molesters are generally attracted to other adults, but may "regress" to focusing on children when confronted with stressful situations. Groth found that the majority of regressed offenders were heterosexual in their adult relationships.

This is yet another example of Kobylt and Chiampou employing wantonly reckless language, a behavior they have previously employed to attack racial minorities. For example, on January 6, Kobylt said that "there's a lot of, like, Korean painter scam guys" and that "there's certain cultures that become involved in certain lines of work."

In a January 9 response to Kobylt's comments, Angelica Salas, executive director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles (CHIRLA), said:

CHIRLA is appalled to hear that once again The John and Ken Show dissed the Korean community for fun and ratings' sake. John and Ken will cease their immature and spiteful drivel only when they have been kicked out from the Los Angeles airwaves for good.

Last October, Kobylt claimed that Native Americans should "probably [have been] better warriors" when discussing the gradual seizure of Native American lands by European immigrants. Last September, the hosts, while talking about the California DREAM Act, said that the parents of undocumented children "took jobs from Americans, and now the kid is taking grant money from the American kid. ... So now the theft is complete. Two generations. They stole your employment, now they're stealing your kids' education." The hosts also frequently use the pejorative "illegal alien."

Additionally, last September, the hosts aired the personal cell phone number of CHIRLA activist Jorge-Mario Cabrera, who received hundreds of threatening calls as a result. The hosts denied responsibility, stating repeatedly that Cabrera's phone number was part of a press release, and therefore public information.

Clear Channel, KFI's parent company, later wrote a letter to NHMC president Alex Nogales defending the hosts' actions.

Currently, NHMC is engaged in a campaign to educate companies that advertise during a broadcast of The John and Ken Show, informing them about the racially charged, inflammatory rhetoric, frequenting the discourse between the hosts, emphasizing the hosts' anti-immigrant vitriol. In response to the NHMC campaign, prominent companies such as AT&T, Verizon, and General Motors have stopped advertising during the program.

Despite these advertiser retreats, Kobylt and Chiampou vowed in October that "nothing on the show is changing. We're going to talk about illegal aliens all we want," promising more of the reckless rhetoric that has led to numerous advertiser retreats.

The John & Ken Show airs weekdays from 3 to 7 p.m. PT on KFI, a Clear Channel network, and reportedly has an audience of 1.2 million listeners.

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    • Author by Jimijams (January 17, 2012 1:59 pm ET)
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      Just when I thought I heard it all.....I am sorry, but who ARE these gays...ur...I mean guys anyway?

      People who have a clear fixation on homosexuality, are repressing or suppressing something. Just take a look at Rick Santorum.
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    • Author by phlcstgan (January 17, 2012 2:10 pm ET)
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      I don't need to do any research or any proof

      New Republican party slogan!
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    • Author by pete592 (January 17, 2012 2:11 pm ET)
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      Why do right wingers get so preoccupied with talking about gays?
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      • Author by pete592 (January 17, 2012 2:12 pm ET)
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        And how is it that they profess to know so much about gays?
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        • Author by grmce (January 17, 2012 3:51 pm ET)
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          And what's with this "John and Ken" relationship and all this "gay" talk? Nothing suss?
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    • Author by nerzog (January 17, 2012 2:14 pm ET)
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      I like tall, slender women. I'm not gay. Some men like curvy, voluptuous women. They aren't gay, either. Fashion designers use tall, thin models because they make their clothes look better. It's all about selling clothes.

      Jon & Ken are full of sh*t.
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      • Author by tbone (January 17, 2012 2:32 pm ET)
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        I like tall, slender women. I like curvy, voluptuous women. I like rotund women. Depending on who you ask, that makes me a traditional male, a pig, or both.

        ;-)
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      • Author by Dem02020 (January 17, 2012 2:35 pm ET)
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        I like the skinny look also, and there's certainly many explanations to why the bony look is as "in" now among actresses as it's ever been... but it's nothing new.

        And it brings to mind Tom Wolfe's novel "The Bonfire of the Vanities" (a great read, hysterically funny and insightful and as topical now as ever).

        In it, he refers to the wives of Manhattan's wealthiest and most powerful financiers as being "Social X-Rays" for how bony they are from the low calorie diets and constant working out they need, in order to maintain this emaciated look.

        His (Tom Wolfe) description is funny and telling, for the word social, which seems to imply this bony look is a social grace, a source of compliments and admiration from friends and others... and I guess if you're a professional actress and especially a famous one, it's the same supposed social grace to be thin, multiplied by millions of people and millions of dollars.

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        • Author by magnolialover (January 17, 2012 2:43 pm ET)
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          I'm more for the healthy, strong woman look. Athletic if you will. It's OK if she's skinny, as long as she has good muscle tone. That's what I really like.
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          • Author by grmce (January 17, 2012 4:06 pm ET)
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            If I'm going only on the superficial features of appearance I am going on eyes, mouth and carriage. They tell me more about a woman than her shape or displacement.

            One of the most important features for me is not visual - the voice. I hate ugly or empty voices (it may be the muso in me). In truth, a crucial quality for any sort of relationship is the ability to converse. Dumb-clucks are not pleasurable.
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            • Author by nerzog (January 17, 2012 4:11 pm ET)
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              Something about those British accents... I can listen to Katty Kay all day long.
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          • Author by nerzog (January 17, 2012 4:10 pm ET)
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            Same here. I think Gabrielle Reece is an absolute goddess.

            The thin look is nothing new, as Dem02020 said. It was very popular back in the 20s, then fell out of favor with the more voluptuous girls, like Marylin Monroe and Jane Mansfield.
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            • Author by magnolialover (January 17, 2012 5:53 pm ET)
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              Yes! Gabby Reece is a great example of what I'm talking about. Or, most of the women that go to the Crossfit gym I'm a member of. Swoon! Although, Gabby Reece married Laird Hamilton (who in my opinion is a good looking dude), and they had kids, so I can't possibly imagine how beautiful their kids are.

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        • Author by cisprog (January 18, 2012 3:56 pm ET)
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          "as 'in' now among actresses as it's ever been"... er, no, it's a lot more prevalent now than ever in entertainment, and thanks to mass media coverage, it has a greater opportunity to affect young girls. Some of whom go West to try to make it in tv/film. And then end up perpetuating the image as extras, backgrounds, and (if they're lucky) working actors.

          People who bring up Wolfe, Twiggy, flappers, et al. are naive about the greater breadth of the image starting in the mid-90s through today. Compare the caustic tone Wolfe takes against his "x-rays" (in a book for an adult, educated audience) to the massive positive coverage of the Sex and the City crew (resulting in the "Scary Sadshaw" stereotype whose breadth in real life is/was far wider than Wolfe's world).

          Add rampant PhotoShop to the mix (removal of hips, bulges, etc. the norm). Check some "Guess who hasn't lost her baby weight?" slideshows. I won't bother getting into the raft of other factors here, but I suggest you read up on EDs today before deciding it's just cyclical. Do you think, for that matter, that the obesity epidemic is hand-wavingly cyclical? Cuz' scientists sure aren't so reassured.
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        • Author by ginnyinco (January 18, 2012 10:57 pm ET)
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          Dem02020

          That is even better than what I was thinking. Is

          "You can never be too rich or too thin."

          in Bonfire? I vaguely recall it was a NY socialite/CEO trophy wife that said it.

          I might have to read TBotV. As an RN fascinated by nutrition since I was 8 ('60) the emaciated look was and is disgusting. Magnolialover mentions slender women with good muscle tone as being attractive. True. And look at the too thin models. NO MUSCLE DEFINITION. NONE. It is not healthy.

          Too many adolescent girls have not been developing the bone mass and pelvic proportions for pregnancy and delivery. Expect an increase in C section babies in decades to come.
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      • Author by bintx (January 17, 2012 3:04 pm ET)
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        My niece was a model . . . internationally. She didn't really look better in the clothes at all. She was anorexic (diagnosed). She passed out on numerous occasions . . . she could never be too thin for these idiots. Thank the good Lord, she retired at the ripe old age of 22. Six years in that mess was enough. It almost killed her. Now, she's a healthy, happy pregnant lady!
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        • Author by nerzog (January 17, 2012 4:13 pm ET)
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          I definitely agree that the walking skeleton look isn't flattering at all.
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          • Author by bintx (January 17, 2012 4:22 pm ET)
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            Most of the models that you see in magazines and on television look like walking skeletons in real life. My niece did.
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            • Author by nerzog (January 17, 2012 5:21 pm ET)
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              I must admit, I'm not really up on the models who are popular today. When I think of fashion models, I think of people like Elle McPherson, Cindy Crawford, Mila Jovovich, etc. They're all thin, but not emaciated.
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            • Author by Conchobhar (January 19, 2012 7:00 pm ET)
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              Most of the models that you see in magazines and on television look like walking skeletons in real life.
              The head of my college Drama Dept., in the '60's came back from a banquet or some function in New York having met Audrey Hepburn. He said it was heartbreaking, how emaciated she looked in person. Like she was about to keel over from starvation.
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    • Author by m.welker (January 17, 2012 2:14 pm ET)
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      And that's how I know for sure, I don't need to do any research or any proof that it's gay guys who control the entire casting industry.


      Based on that statement, I can definitively say that Kobylt is mentally handicapped. I don't need to do any research nor do I need any proof.
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    • Author by overmars jr. (January 17, 2012 2:35 pm ET)
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      Wow... where to even start picking this apart?

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    • Author by Imbecile (January 17, 2012 2:37 pm ET)
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      There are so many different comments that could be made about this particular story that I don't really know which avenue to take.

      Shall we go with the projection comment that these guys are calling Hollywood women emaciated and resembling 14-year-old boys, but then state the obvious that if any of these "emaciated" actresses came on to them in a bar, they'd be more than willing?

      How about the obvious observation that some of you have already made--that Republicans seem to spend an inordinate amount of time talking about homosexuality. I mean, Christ, my roommate is gay and he spends less time talking about homosexuality than the Republican media does.

      Just remember, folks: the media we broadcast is speeding away from us at the speed of light, and will be picked up by any intelligent race out there with the ability to capture radio sources. If they ever learn to translate this stuff, and ever get a grasp on our sociology, what will they think of us as a species?
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    • Author by Liberal in the South (January 17, 2012 2:39 pm ET)
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      Aren't these guys out of LA? They should have occupiers outside their studio.
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    • Author by magnolialover (January 17, 2012 2:42 pm ET)
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      Why would gay men care what women look like at all? Here's the answer. THEY DON'T!

      And here I thought it was society pushing women to look as skinny as possible all these years, when in fact, it was gay men!!
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    • Author by Chameo (January 17, 2012 2:42 pm ET)
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      Whenever I hear something like this, the first thing I think is projection. I'll bet these guys find 14-year-old girls attractive, so they make the leap and assume that gay guys must find 14-year-old boys attractive. The difference, of course, is that many 14-year-old girls look sexually mature, whereas few 14-year-old boys look like grown men.
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      • Author by phredicles (January 17, 2012 8:04 pm ET)
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        Or maybe, speaking of projection, they find 14-year old boys attractive. It would explain the constant harping on gayness, wouldn't it?
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    • Author by danielsangeo (January 17, 2012 3:34 pm ET)
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      wat
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    • Author by handsomejack54 (January 17, 2012 4:23 pm ET)
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      They're still on the air how?
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      • Author by Imbecile (January 17, 2012 4:29 pm ET)
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        People like these guys and Glenn Beck are like car wrecks. They get everyone's attention for a short amount of time because they're a spectacle. But eventually, the people who stopped to gawk lose interest and want the road cleared so traffic can move unimpeded.

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    • Author by unhipcat (January 17, 2012 6:51 pm ET)
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      interesting that kobylt knows how gay men think and doesn't need to do any research.
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    • Author by j238 (January 17, 2012 8:37 pm ET)
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      That's right.

      Everyone knows gay guys obsess over stick-figure personalities like Judy Garland, Marilyn Monroe, and Bette Midler.

      No wonder there's been an outbreak of anorexia among women.
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    • Author by scooter51 (January 18, 2012 11:59 am ET)
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      John Kobylt need to get his behind kicked in a legal way. God how I wish there was someone with gonads and money enough to take him on and shut him down. He fills the airwaves with hateful rhetoric every stinking day here in LA.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 20, 2012 1:16 pm ET)
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      Um... NO... cheuvenistic PIGS like you two force WOMEN towards emaciation becuase you not only treat like objects, but live uner the delusion that their is only a single standard for what is beautiful.

      How the HELL can GAY MEN influence the behavior fo WOMEN in the least?

      ...Never mind. These guys are making my head hurt.

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      IMHO
      UTOPIA
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