"Media Matters"; by Jamison Foser
| This Week: Iraq war reaches three-year mark Media portray bad news as good news for Republicans Media continually overstate public support for Bush |
Iraq war reaches three-year mark
This weekend brings the third anniversary of the beginning of the Iraq war -- a war the administration and the media told us would be quick, easy, and over long before now.
Three years later, it's clear that nearly everything we were told, by our government and by our media, was wrong.
Yet Fox News' Bill O'Reilly perversely argued this week that Democrats, not President Bush, lied about Iraq. Media Matters for America detailed some of Bush's unequivocal assertions that were not only found to have been false, but determined to not have been justified by the intelligence available at the time. Among the assertions:
- Iraq's aluminum tubes were intended to enrich uranium.
- Iraq tried to purchase uranium from Africa.
- Iraq possessed stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons.
- Iraq's unmanned drones could attack enemies near and far.
- Iraq would mount an unprovoked attack against the United States.
- Iraq could launch an attack in 45 minutes.
The Bush administration's false claims about Iraq are not irrelevant matters to be left to the history books. The same people who misled the nation into war, then bungled and botched it at every turn, are still running the country. It's important to understand what went wrong in Iraq so we don't make the same mistakes in Iran. It's important for the media to understand how they were misled, and how they were used to mislead the nation, into war -- and to apply those lessons in covering the administration's claims about Iran.
And it is important to assess the consequences of the administration's lies about, and mishandling of, the Iraq war. Is the public less likely to believe the administration if it says we need to use force against Iran because of their false claims about Iraq? That's a question we've repeatedly asked; why don't reporters? Perhaps the third anniversary of the Iraq war would be a good time to finally include the question in a poll.
Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting marked the war's anniversary by looking back at the Iraq war's "Pollyanna pundits" -- the pundits and journalists who assured us that the war would be fast and easy; that war critics were "arrogant," "misguided" and "dead wrong"; and that only "the duped, the dumb and the desperate" could doubt Colin Powell's (now-discredited) presentation to the United Nations.
Among the highlights of FAIR's report:
"The three-week swing through Iraq has utterly shattered skeptics' complaints." (Fox News Channel's Tony Snow, 4/13/03)
"The war winds down, politics heats up.... Picture perfect. Part Spider-Man, part Tom Cruise, part Ronald Reagan. The president seizes the moment on an aircraft carrier in the Pacific." (PBS's Gwen Ifill, 5/2/03, on George W. Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech)
"We're proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who's physical, who's not a complicated guy like Clinton or even like Dukakis or Mondale, all those guys, McGovern. They want a guy who's president. Women like a guy who's president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president. It's simple. We're not like the Brits." (MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 5/1/03)
"Maybe disgraced commentators and politicians alike, like Daschle, Jimmy Carter, Dennis Kucinich, and all those others, will step forward tonight and show the content of their character by simply admitting what we know already: that their wartime predictions were arrogant, they were misguided and they were dead wrong. Maybe, just maybe, these self-anointed critics will learn from their mistakes. But I doubt it. After all, we don't call them 'elitists' for nothing." (MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, 4/10/03)
"Over the next couple of weeks when we find the chemical weapons this guy was amassing, the fact that this war was attacked by the left and so the right was so vindicated, I think, really means that the left is going to have to hang its head for three or four more years." (Fox News Channel's Dick Morris, 4/9/03)
"Chris, more than anything else, real vindication for the administration. One, credible evidence of weapons of mass destruction. Two, you know what? There were a lot of terrorists here, really bad guys. I saw them." (MSNBC reporter Bob Arnot, 4/9/03)
"Well, the hot story of the week is victory.... The Tommy Franks-Don Rumsfeld battle plan, war plan, worked brilliantly, a three-week war with mercifully few American deaths or Iraqi civilian deaths.... There is a lot of work yet to do, but all the naysayers have been humiliated so far.... The final word on this is, hooray." (Fox News Channel's Morton Kondracke, 4/12/03)
Hooray, huh?
FAIR's compilation is essential to understanding the role journalists and pundits played in taking the United States to war; their uncritical cheerleading for the administration; their swooning at the sight of Bush; their unfounded assumptions of administration competence. Read the whole report here.
Media portray bad news as good news for Republicans
We've addressed the bizarre tendency on the part of journalists to assume that everything, no matter how bad it appears, is good news for Republicans. Most recently, we noted in January:
Los Angeles Times reporter Ron Brownstein, for example, wrote in a January 27 article detailing the results of an L.A. Times poll that there remains "broad, though slightly eroded, confidence in Bush's handling of terrorism." But, several paragraphs later, Brownstein got around to revealing the actual poll results: "48% said they approved of Bush's performance in fighting terrorism, whereas 49% disapproved."
The attentive reader will note that more Americans disapprove of Bush's performance in fighting terrorism than approve of it. That's the "broad, though slightly eroded" confidence in Bush's handling of terrorism Brownstein referred to.
The headline on Brownstein's article read "Bush's Ratings Sink, but Trust Remains." But did the poll really show that the public continues to trust Bush, or was the Los Angeles Times' headline writer also spinning the results for Bush? The poll results show that 47 percent think Bush is not "honest and trustworthy"; only 46 percent think he is. So, more Americans think Bush is not trustworthy than think he is -- and the Los Angeles Times tells readers "Trust Remains." Presumably, they meant "Trust Remains Low" but ran out of room.
The New York Times went further. In an article that could have been written by Karl Rove, the Times previewed Bush's upcoming State of the Union address by asserting that Bush "stabilized his political standing after a difficult 2005." As Media Matters noted, that creates a grossly misleading impression in readers: Bush's poll numbers, for example, are remarkably stable -- and remarkably bad. Not the kind of stability the Bush administration is looking for.
But even by those standards, NBC's Matt Lauer made an extraordinary claim this week. Referring to Bush's approval ratings -- which seem to reach a new low every day -- Lauer asked Tim Russert:
LAUER: These approval numbers, Tim, are they in some ways a blessing in disguise for Republicans in these midterm elections? Because, basically, they can look and say, "Look, I don't have a popular president here. I can turn my back on that president, or even oppose that president going into these elections and stem the tide of this voter anger."
Think about that for a moment: Lauer suggests that Bush's low approval rating is a good thing for Republican candidates, because now, they can run away from him. We assume Lauer would agree that it would be a positive for Republican candidates if Bush had a high approval rating. What, then, is left? Can anything be bad news for Republicans?
How about this: the latest Pew poll, which found only a 33-percent approval rating for Bush, asked participants to describe their impression of him. The most frequently-used word? "Incompetent." "Idiot" and "Liar" also came in near the top of the list. And tied for the 10th spot were "Leader" and "Ass," just beating out "Jerk." That's right: as many people described Bush as an "ass" as called him a "leader." Keep that in mind the next time some pundit (we're looking at you, Matthews) praises Bush's leadership abilities.
Media continually overstate public support for Bush
For some reason, no matter how many polls show that, to put it bluntly, people don't like much of anything about George Bush, journalists can't help overestimating his strength and support. As we've argued before:
The simple reality is that polls consistently show the following: The American people don't like President Bush. They don't approve of the way he's done his job. They don't trust him to handle key issues. They don't trust him, period. They think he deliberately misled the nation into war. They think history will judge him poorly. They think Congress should consider impeachment. They don't like his political party. They like Democrats better. They trust Democrats more on more important issues.
Any journalist or pundit who makes reference to public opinion in a way that contradicts these basic facts, without offering specific data, is simply misleading the American people.
Yet we constantly see news reports that falsely claim or presume widespread support for Bush and his policies.
This week, for example, The Washington Post reported that Democrats are "wary of polls showing that a majority of Americans side with the president on wiretapping tactics." But polls simply do not show that. Poll show support for the concept of spying on Al Qaeda -- but then, no prominent political figure opposes that concept. The dispute is over the specific ways in which Bush is conducting that spying -- that is, without obtaining a warrant, and in apparent violation of the law. Polls that actually assess public support for the president's "wiretapping tactics" contradict the Post's assertion, as Media Matters pointed out:
A Quinnipiac University poll conducted February 21-28 found that while 79 percent of "American voters say the government should continue monitoring phone calls or e-mail between suspected terrorists in other countries and people in the U.S.," 55 percent say "that the government should get court orders for this surveillance." A CBS News poll conducted February 22-26 asked respondents: "Regardless of whether you approve of the President authorizing the wiretaps, do you think the President has the legal authority to authorize wiretaps without a court warrant in order to fight terrorism, or doesn't he?" Fifty-one percent said the president does not have the legal authority to do so. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll from February 9-12 reported that 50 percent of respondents believed the Bush administration was "wrong" to wiretap "conversations without a court order," while 47 percent said it was "right."
The Post's Dana Milbank, meanwhile, wrote of Sen. Russ Feingold's (D-WI) call for the Senate to censure Bush:
The cause of so much evasion was S. Res. 398, the resolution proposed Monday by Sen. Russell Feingold (D-Wis.) calling for the censure of President Bush for his warrantless wiretapping program. At a time when Democrats had Bush on the ropes over Iraq, the budget and port security, Feingold single-handedly turned the debate back to an issue where Bush has the advantage -- and drove another wedge through his party.
What "advantage" does Bush have? Not on whether his secret warrantless domestic spying program is legal, as we've shown. Maybe Milbank meant the broader issue of terrorism? Bush doesn't have much of an "advantage" there anymore, either: the latest Gallup poll found that a plurality disapproves of his handling of the issue; other polls show that whatever advantage he does have is rapidly dwindling.
Milbank went on to assert that Democrats "know Feingold's maneuver could cost them seats in GOP states."
Sure, it could. It also could win them seats in Democratic states. And opposing Feingold's measure could cost Republicans seats. After all, an American Research Group poll released this week found that a plurality of Americans favors censuring Bush -- and that, by a 7-point margin, a plurality of independents favors impeaching Bush.
Of course, the fact that the only public polling on censure finds a plurality in favor doesn't stop the pundits from simply asserting that censure is wildly unpopular. On Fox News, John Gibson and Dick Morris made that claim:
On the March 16 edition of The Big Story, Gibson claimed that "the trouble is the vast majority of Americans ... think it is absurd and purely political to push either censure or impeachment over the surveillance program." That evening on Hannity & Colmes, Morris echoed Gibson, saying that Americans "don't believe the president should be censured, particularly in the middle of a war."
What were they basing their assertions on? Nothing. They apparently hope that if they say it often enough, it will become true.
Further, Bush is unpopular even in "GOP states," as a recent Elon University poll found:
A majority of adults in five key Southern states disapproves of President Bush's job performance and says the war in Iraq was not worth fighting ... In the survey, 52 percent of respondents said they disapproved or strongly disapproved of Bush's job performance, compared to 43 percent who said they approved or strongly approved. ... All five of the states polled -- Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida -- went to Bush in the 2004 presidential election by margins ranging from 58 percent in South Carolina and Georgia to 52 percent in Florida.
A Zogby poll found that Bush's approval rating in states that voted for him is only 43 percent.
It's about time media stop portraying every new controversy as a danger to Democrats, and start recognizing that these things are threats to Republicans: they're the people in charge of a government widely seen as incompetent and corrupt; they're the party led by a horribly unpopular president; and they're the people who pushed a soundly rejected Social Security privatization scheme. And yet, media see everything as an opportunity for them, and a danger for Democrats. Osama bin Laden may be dead? Good news for Republicans: They got bin Laden! New tapes prove bin Laden is still alive? Good news for Republicans: It reminds people of the threat of terrorism! Democrats don't criticize Bush? Good news for Republicans: Democrats are timid! Democrats do criticize Bush? Good news for Republicans: Democrats are shrill!
Enough.
More on Media's moderate maverick McCain myth
Some journalists and pundits are apparently so smitten by Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain, they'll spin anything about him into the Official John McCain Storyline. Here's The Hotline's Chuck Todd, during an appearance on Hardball, explaining McCain's embrace of George W. Bush: "He's never been a front-runner before. He was always the insurgent. So, right now, rallying around the president is the maverick thing to do."
McCain is aligning himself with the man who has led his party for nearly six years and who has been the most powerful person in the world for five years -- and Chuck Todd sees that as confirmation that McCain is a "maverick." Is there any action that could possibly be less "maverick" than siding with the most powerful person in the world? Of course not. But reporters and pundits are so committed to the McCain-as-maverick storyline they've been shoving down our throats for the past decade, they'll spin anything into "proof" of his independent streak.
How common is the "maverick" talking point?
- A Nexis search for the words "McCain" and "Maverick" within ten words of each other in just the last two years cannot be completed "because it will return more than 1,000 documents."
- MSNBC's Chris Matthews used the word "maverick" to describe McCain five times on March 11 alone.
When the media aren't calling McCain a "maverick," they're labeling him a "moderate" -- a Nexis search for "McCain" within five words of "moderate" yields nearly 1,000 hits in the last two years. In introducing a July 22, 2005, segment on the Supreme Court, Gwen Ifill, host of the PBS program Washington Week, clearly -- if inadvertently -- demonstrated the tendency by many journalists to portray McCain as a moderate separate from -- and presumably above -- partisan politics:
IFILL: It feels as if we have been sitting on the edges of our seats for months waiting for one shoe or the other to drop at the Supreme Court. And so now we have John G. Roberts almost universally described as genial, intelligent and, well, judicious. Republicans were overjoyed.
SEN. BILL FRIST (R-TN): The United States is ready to go. We look forward to a dignified process, a fair process, a process that treats you, our nominee, with respect.
IFILL: Moderates were optimistic.
McCAIN: By no means, by no means, by any stretch of the imagination would Justice Roberts because of his credentials, because of his service, because of his extraordinary qualifications would meet the extraordinary circumstances criteria.
IFILL: Democrats were subdued.
SEN. CHARLES SCHUMER (D-NY): I'm making a plea here and that is to Judge Roberts to answer the questions fully and openingly. And I think it's his obligation and our responsibility to make sure that those questions are answered.
Notice how Ifill describes the players: You have Republicans, Democrats, and moderates. McCain, in Ifill's construction, is a moderate.
But McCain-the-moderate may be an even bigger media invention than McCain-the-maverick. In fact, a quick glance at McCain's stands on major issues shows that he's much less a moderate than most congressional Democrats, if, by "moderate," we mean "opposed to radical or extreme views or measures." As we recently explained:
The notion of McCain as "independent" and a "maverick" is so deeply ingrained in the minds of many reporters, they actually point to his frequent appearances on the Sunday shows as evidence there is not a rightward tilt to those programs. Never mind that McCain has run for president as a Republican, that he campaigned for George Bush, that he supports the Iraq war. Never mind that NARAL-Pro Choice America has given him a zero rating for the last decade. Never mind that he hasn't received a rating higher than 50 percent from the National Education Association in this century. Never mind that the right-wing John Birch Society gave him a rating of 90 in 2004, or that the Christian Coalition gave him an 83. Never mind his support for diverting taxpayer funds to religious schools, or his support for Social Security privatization.
And that was before McCain indicated that he would have signed the South Dakota law that banned all abortions except in cases where the woman's life is threatened by pregnancy. And that doesn't even include McCain's staunch support for Bush's handling of the Iraq war -- an increasingly unpopular and immoderate position.
So here's a challenge for reporters and pundits: the next time you refer to John McCain as a "moderate," how about explaining what, exactly, makes him more "moderate" than, say, John Kerry. Or Hillary Rodham Clinton. Or Harry Reid. Or Nancy Pelosi. Or Howard Dean. Or Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Barack Obama, or countless others. On Social Security, on the Iraq war, on abortion, on countless other issues, nearly every prominent Democrat has a position that is closer to the views of most Americans than does John McCain. It's time for the media to put up or shut up: Either provide actual evidence that McCain is a moderate, or stop saying asserting that he is.
Progressive media criticism works
Last year, after MSNBC's Chris Matthews smeared the Democratic National Committee by lying about a memo the committee circulated about Supreme Court nominee Samuel A. Alito Jr., we noted that prominent progressives didn't step forward to insist that Matthews tell the truth:
Meanwhile -- though Matthews referred to the memo again and again, bringing it up on at least four separate occasions, and though the false claims echoed throughout the media -- no reporter corrected Matthews's lie. Matthews's colleagues simply looked the other way as he lied about the memo and smeared Democrats -- just as reporters looked the other way (or joined in) while their colleagues lied about Al Gore in 2000, falsely claiming that he had taken credit for discovering Love Canal.
This is a textbook example of how completely false, made-up claims about progressives have repeatedly become accepted as fact over the past several years. A "mainstream" pundit says something about Democrats that's blatantly false; a few others join in, and the rest of the media looks the other way, daring not to criticize one of their own. Before you know it, it's accepted as "fact."
Sure enough, by the end of the week, at least two prominent Democrats were criticizing the memo -- even though it didn't say what Matthews claimed it did.
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Chris Matthews lied about the Democratic memo; some of his colleagues repeated the lie while others ignored it; conservative activists seized on and amplified the lie, and not one prominent progressive stepped forward to forcefully and clearly say, "That isn't true. Stop lying."
And so it has become true, like the fiction that Al Gore took credit for discovering Love Canal.
We don't say this as often as we should: Media Matters can lead the fight against conservative misinformation in the media, but we can't win the fight by ourselves. Conservatives have been effective in using media criticism to further their agenda not because they have good arguments -- they don't -- but because conservatives across the country, from precinct chairs to the president of the United States, understand that critiquing the media is something they all must do.
Look how successful they've been -- even while their criticisms all too often are of the "I didn't need to read any transcripts of the Chris Matthews MSNBC Hardball show to know what's he's been doing" variety. Now, imagine how successful progressives can be if we work together to offer and amplify specific criticisms of specific errors, omissions, and distortions.
That's why it has been encouraging to see two prominent progressives openly challenging false claims made by Chris Matthews and Tim Russert in recent days.
During his appearance on the March 12 broadcast of NBC's Meet the Press, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-DE) echoed a recent Media Matters item that challenged Russert's suggestion that Democratic lawmakers seized on the recent port controversy in order to build their national security credentials. Media Matters pointed out that, in fact, over the past several years, Democratic lawmakers have repeatedly put forward legislation to bolster port security, only to see these measures defeated by Republicans. Biden reiterated this point:
RUSSERT: Senator Biden, what has the port controversy done to the Bush presidency?
BIDEN: It's sort of stripped away the curtain that there was any competence on homeland security. I heard you on another show with [Today host] Katie Couric, Tim, saying something, in effect, that the Congress hadn't done much either. Back in 2001, we introduced legislation for port security and rail security; 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005. It's been repeatedly spurned by the administration. Virtually nothing's been done. Their priorities are backwards, Tim. Tim, if, in fact, they spent as much money on homeland security as they do one year on Star Wars, we could fund another 13,000 police locally, another 1,000 FBI agents. We could have every container at every port inspected with gamma rays as well as with radiation. We could, in fact, secure our railroads. These guys have priorities that are backwards and they're dangerously, dangerously incompetent. And this is going to be the next place you're going to see that incompetence show.
The next day, Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL), who is also chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, appeared on MSNBC's Hardball, where Matthews falsely asserted that "people trust Republicans more than Democrats on tax cutting." All too often, a progressive leader in such a situation will grant the premise, even though Matthews offered no facts to support his assertion, and, indeed -- as Media Matters previously illustrated -- recent polling indicates that the opposite is true. But Emanuel pointed out Matthews's false claim:
MATTHEWS: Why do people -- excuse me. Why do people trust Republicans more than Democrats on tax cutting?
EMANUEL: Well, they don't. First of all, if you look at even your own data and your own polling, they don't. Democrats are gaining and not only holding their lead on traditional Democratic issues of education and healthcare and other types of investments. We now hold an advantage over Republicans on fiscal discipline, taxes, and stewardship of economy. And because of what they've done, they've seen six years of Republican stewardship, and they want a change. They want new priorities and a new direction that, again, invest in American people while putting our fiscal house in order. We can do that, it's just they've now seen six years of Republican stewardship, and they want to change directions.
















us news and world report 3-20 by peter cary. he was discussing all the "negative press" that is dragging down bush's ratings. "if the press begins to focus on the woes of the democrats, these republicans believe, there could be a sudden swing in the national mood." just what those "woes" were went unnamed. kind of like, i don't know what the clintons did, but there must be something there.
... the media is being spun to support the idea (as this Weekly Update says) that the GOP's current long string of truly bad news is really good news for the GOP!
I recall seeing Dick Morris (who evidently will say anything) on FOX's The Big Story with John Gibson telling viewers that the reason for George W. Bush's second term problems is that he succeeded so well in his first term that there was really nothing left on his agenda for him to do. (Up is down, failure is success.)
That the right-wing media decided (at least as far) back as 1996 (The year Fox Opinion became whatever it is today) and every so-called media has since begun to follow that the only thing that interests these clowns is.......
PROFIT!! and the hope that one day they might get a pat on the head by Karl Rove and a doggy bone!
When corporate intersts are involved.... its a foregone conclusion that the rights and feelings of Average Joe (Liberal, Conservative, Gay, Straight, Black, Yellow, White, Blue, Green, dogs and cats, etc...) takes a back seat to......
RATINGS & PROFIT!! and the fore mentioned pat on the head
I have a direct question to every Fox Opinion, Bush & Co, right-wing fanatic defender that may see this:
If you were to investigate my post and see that I am correct in my "facts"....... would you still believe that everything that Fox Opinion, Rush Limbough, Ann Coulter and all them hate-mongering talking-heads are saying what they say because its the truth?
Or would you finally come to see that these people don't care about "you" any more than they care about "me" and its all about the RATINGS and the PROFIT it brings them.......
Them (the operative word here).....not you!! not me!!
THEM.....so they can bring you even more BS and more lies and more deceit!!
This is not to say that your beliefs are any more wrong than mine are right......but that when you listen and believe Bill O'Really and the like....you are only doing yourself (as a free American) a disservice!!
Do a bio search on Rupert Murdoch (Owner/CEO of Fox) and Roger Ailes (Head Chief at Fox), Rush, Ann Coulter and you will get a glimps into the ways these people think and what they truely work for.......Just Google their names...you'll see
Its all about what they want......Not what you or I want!!
When you can come to terms with that, things will begin to improve in this country (not because I believe I'm right....but because you will come to believe that I'm right!)
- THEM.....so they can bring you even more BS and more lies and more deceit!! - captfoster
I couldn't agree more. The main stream media today is horrible...promoting agendas simply for ratings and profit.
I also recognize your passion for the liberal cause and don't have any complaint with that position. But lets be fair here...the media performance that you describe so well...is practiced by both the right and the left.
More and more Americans are leaving the MSM noise machines for more informative reporting on the internet and that's good for America.
Well said...well said.
And to Mr. Foser - a job well done, yet again, taking a long week with an incredible amount of MIS-information and creating a concise, clear summation.
I'm going to borrow from Mike Malloy regarding the righties... " I have I told you how much I hate these people?" I will so welcome the day when our political system once again places value in the concept of the greater good of society.
Capt. Foster is right. The corporations run things in this country. They keep the public busy with scandals, emotional appeals, gossip, and fabricated wars to conceal the daily raping of the consumer, loss of jobs and dignity for the common man, environmental disasters, the growing disparity of wealth, corruption, etc. etc. all to boost this quarters profits and make the insiders rich.
The influence of big business is so profound that democracy as we knew it is almost gone forever.
Unfortunately, BOTH parties share in the shame. Lobbyists and big business own the Democrats too (although not quite as much as the Repugnicans.)
THATS WHY EVERY DAY I THANK GOD FOR MEDIA MATTER. DOING THE WAR I GOT MY INFROMATION FROM THE BBC NEWS WEB SITE AND I DON'T EVEN WATCH AMERICANS NEWS I WATCH BBC NEWS ON MTP , BBC NEWS WEB SITE AND MEDIA MATTERS TO GET THE WILL NEWS.
My earlier posting is and was intended to wake a certain segment of my fellow citizens to the realities of "corporate" distortion and lies in the name of "profit"
After I wrote that posting, went to bed, woke up this morning and checked on that posting to see if any new posting were on..... by the way.....thank you Left and Steely.......
I reread my posting and it occured to me that while I'm right on with my words......I failed to mention that their are "right-wing" reporters and supporters that are supported by and loved and spoken well of by the rest of the right-wing establishment........
However, I received an email on this very subject: about a book called "Into the Buzzsaw" by Kristina Borjesson This website is associated to it:
www.wanttoknow.info/mediacover-up"
Anyways......understand all you defenders of Bush & Co, Fox Opinion, Rush, etc, etc......... that even Rush or Bush himself isn't "safe" from being turned on by those that back him today.......
A perfect example of someone seeing the "light" is David Brock; the man that brought you this site. Go read Mr Brocks early works "The Real Anita Hill" and "The Seduction of Hillary (Clinton)........
When those two books came out the right-wing was all gushy over them (both books were and are lies and distortions) i.e: Just the way the corporate junkies and their right-wing lap dogs like it just so they can keep you "Average Joe conservative" from being in the know!
Then Mr Brock woke up and realized that he was "Blinded By The Right"........and suddenly.....
Mr Brock can't be trusted.....or they "never" met him......or I never read his books......or he's never told the truth
My point to this all my Average Joe conservative and backer of Bush & Co and Corporate Fox and so on.......is that today the right-wing corporate world loves Rush, Sean & Bill
They even love Bush, Rummy, Wolfowitz, McClellan, and Cheney too.......even Dobson and Robertson are loved by the corporate world........these two clowns alone can be blamed for keeping about 2% of our fellow Americans in the dark with their religious rantings
But if suddenly any of them decided to see the light..... suddenly....it's Jack Abramoff all over again or worse
So as you defend these clowns remember that they don't care that you defend them....they obviously are getting by without my verbal support, but its hard to find ways to keep my money from them!!
Hmmm......I read and reread this posting.......It seems to be well worded.....but somehow I feel that it isn't written exactly right......or is it just me?
"They trust Democrats more on more important issues."
Oh really??
"Which political party, the Democrats or the Republicans, do you trust to do a better job handling the U.S. campaign against terrorism?"
Democrats -39% Republicans-46% ABC News/Washington Post Poll. March 2-5, 2006
"Do you think the Republicans in Congress or the Democrats in Congress would do a better job of dealing with each of the following issues and problems? How about terrorism?"
Democrats -41% Republicans-45% CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. March 10-12, 2006.
"Which party do you trust to do a better job protecting the country from terrorism: Democrats or Republicans?"
Democrats-33% Republicans-38% FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Feb. 28-March 1, 2006.
"Looking ahead for the next few years, which political party do you think will do a better job of protecting the country from international terrorism and military threats: the Republican Party or the Democratic Party?"
Democrats-40% Republican-45% CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. Feb. 28-March 1, 2006.
You're back and I see you're still the best cherry picker in all of wing-nut land. Why not provide the links to the entire polls especially the one that poses the question 'Who do you prefer to lead the congress the Democrats or the Republicans?" and 'Which party do you think is more concerned with the needs of avaerage Americans. ' In addtion you didn't even speak to the closing of the gap on who will be the better protectors against terrorism.
I don't know maybe it's really a blessing to be so delusional. Maybe that's why conservatives polled higher in the affirmitive for being happy. Conservatives like you skew the numbers since you seem to live in alternate universe led by a sunny noble king name Bush. Nothing bad happens in the kingdom and the only thing you have to guard against are the evil jihadist at your borders, which of course King Bush protects you from.
... and sunny delusions of monrchy. They're happy because ignorance is bliss. Facts, logic, ambiguity, and introspection are worriesome things; a blythe conviction that one is right and therefore needs think about the question no more is very cheering.
It's the euphoria of the suicide.
... when polls showed most Americans favored President Bush on the issue of terrorism, the TV newsers told us about it all the time. But now, when most Americans apparently disapprove of the president's handling of terrorism, the question has changed and the focus has shifted to the more general question of Democrats versus Republicans. (To be fair, maybe there is an issue of margin of error involved here.)
... there is only one important issue.
since so many stories are sliding by quickly, i wanted to return once again to thursday's story on the fla media recounts , most all of which said that if a statewide recount had been done gore would have come out a couple hundred votes ahead. here is why bush v gore is a bad decision. first, bush had no standing under the law to bring a suit concerning the counting of votes in fla. he was neither a fla resident or voter. second, from the actual decision: "...the state may not by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person's vote over that of another." hello? is that not exactly what the court did? if they had a problem with the different county standards, which was state law by the way, then they should have said: here is the standard, count all the votes. it was recognized that the punch cards could not all be read by the machines. it was the majority on the court who were arbitrary on whose votes to count and whose to discard.
- if they had a problem with the different county standards, which was state law by the way, then they should have said: here is the standard, count all the votes. - mefirst
The Supreme Court said that different standards were applied from ballot to ballot, precinct to precinct, and county to county. Because of those and other procedural difficulties, the court held that no constitutional recount could be fashioned in the time remaining for Florida to be in compliance with the federal safe harbor provision.
Nice thought but that position was debunked by the SC.
was the decision. you just repeated what i said. if there was a problem with different standards then they should have set one and let judges count them. you were not recounting every vote. there was plenty of time left. unless you're saying that the most important thing was some, uh, arbitrary, time limit . sounds like from what i just quoted that the most important thing, above all, was to count the votes and get it right. obviously at some point you come to an end, but we weren't there. and what about bush having no standing?
- if there was a problem with different standards then they should have set one and let judges count them. - mefirst
Now there is a good one...judges recounting votes. How would you propose that the Florida judges count millions of votes?
- there was plenty of time left. unless you're saying that the most important thing was some, uh, arbitrary, time limit- mefirst
On the time element you're incorrect...there wasn't enough time as stated by the SC. Now on that pesky arbitrary time limit. The time limit was enacted by the Florida legislature...not by any court or political maneuvering.
what was the standing under which bush brought suit? and if you didn't read what i said, then i'll repeat it. we were not talking recounting every vote. just the ones in dispute, not millions. and let me get this straight. the time limit by the fla legislature was set in stone, but the law setting county standards was not? i think you contradicted yourself.
Let me help you out.
Forcing votes to all be counted under a new standard established by the court would require that ALL votes be subject to review under the NEW standard.
The time limit established by the Florida legislature was not set in stone...it was set in law which the legislature is free to change and they did not.
The ruling by the Florida court was deemed to be unconstitutional because it made new voting law which is the sole responsibility of the state legislature.
Bush filed his suit in federal court...you know that place where every U.S. citizen has standing.
the votes that had gone through the machines and were recorded for one side or another were not in dispute. there's no question of that. so if the legislature makes a law then only the legislature can change it? for instance in ohio, kenneth blackwell tried to throw out over a hundred thousand new registrations. why? because the law said they had to be on a certain thickness paper. a judge said no, the important thing is those people registered to vote. and you show a woeful knowledge of the law, not that i'm a lawyer. you can't just walk into court and file a suit. bush v gore was a 14 th amendment equal rights case. but the 14th is about residents of states and those under it's control, prisoners etc. neither of those applied to bush. therefore no claim of discrimination for him. the discrimination was against those whose votes weren't counted.
about the 2000 election vote counting: "Now there is a good one...judges recounting votes. How would you propose that the Florida judges count millions of votes?"
ANSWER: The recount was well underway, conducted by the proper authorities -- Florida's canvassing boards -- and under the unifying oversight of Judge Terry Lewis. It was THIS proper recount that the USSC improperly halted; Scalia said the votes couldn't be counted because it might cast "a cloud" over Bush's presumption to have won. Well, DUH!
Wesley says, "On the time element you're incorrect ...there wasn't enough time as stated by the SC. Now on that pesky arbitrary time limit. The time limit was enacted by the Florida legislature...not by any court or political maneuvering."
RESPONSE: Wesley inadvertantly shows the BOGUS nature of the USSC's Bush v Gore decision. To DEFEND what the USSC did, Wesley must harken to what the FLORIDA LEGISLATURE "enacted". It is NOT the job of the Supreme Court to enforce ... or even care about ... what a state legislature has done or not done. The Supreme Court's ONLY area of concern is whether the Constitution is adhered to. In Bush v Gore, there was NO ruling that anything unconstitutional was transpiring. And as to the DEADLINE -- "safe harbor"? There was no ruling that "safe harbor" is a Constitutional deadline that applies to all states.
Precedent set by Bush v Gore? Absolutely ZERO. None. Nada. No Constitutional guidelines to direct future elections. In other words, there was NO Constitutional question to clarify. It was a partisan action by the Republicans on the court to thwart the will of the American voters, and nothing else.
The Bush v Gore case was improper from almost any standpoint, and is already in history as one of the worst decisions handed down. It was a complete embarassment, and the only weak defense offered came from Justice Kennedy, who cringingly said that "somebody had to do something". He was wrong. The Constitution had it covered. The USSC intervened, and disgraced the institution, and those five Conservative justices, for all time.
3 Year Iraq War Anniversary
Well, where to begin? For American citizens who I do not believe for a moment are somehow especially prone to war-making, or set apart as particularly bellicose in nature, THE question then arises, Why do WE seem to find ourselves continuously at WAR?
In the wake of WW2, the United States has committed our military to the following engagements under both Democratic and Republican Administrations:
Korea , Vietnam, Lebanon, Granada, Panama, Bosnia Somalia, and now Iraq. These theatres of operations are representataive of having taken place over a considerable section of the world's geographic real estate. Such commitments have in rough numbers resulted somewhere in the vicinity of 4-5 million deaths to indigenous civilian populations and over 100,000 American serviceman's deaths.
Quite a staggering tally of human beings. If I were to ask any US citizen at each appropriate time interval represented by the activities mentioned above, Hey Joe, do you have anything against a Vietnamese, a Korean , a Serbian., Somalian an Iraqi............. How would they answer? Would they consider them a threat to our country? So a reasonable assumption must conclude THAT someone or some group is playing US like a "Charlie Daniel's fiddle rendition of the Devil down in Georgia."
Defense Policy analysts will tell US that due to the geopolitical strategic imperatives encumbered upon US by the mere fact that WE are a Superpower..........., NeoCons will tell US that WE are destined to rule the world with our Anglo-Saxon brethren, blah blah blah.
What is fueling this Rush to Madness? And that's a question you Right Wingers must answer also, for it is also your children that will be used for fodder as WE continue to travel the Devil's Road.
The answer must be AND I repeat be answered soon AND if consensus can be reached as to who gains 'cui bono' THEN it is our sworn duty to expose these criminals, bring them to justice and never ever allow such unfettered avarice and chicanery to soil this 'Land of the Free' again.
Dwight Eisenhower warned US what would likely occur If WE , The American People, FAILED to reign in our appetite for War-Making. He also stated that a 'Mis-Use of Power' would likely come to pass by institutions exclusive of our established Branches of Government............... like ThinkTanks, Lobbyist Groups, PACS and every other acronym NEVER specifically mentioned in the Constitution.
It's our CHOICE!
you can't of course......I know that I'm right.....
We have elections on the second Tuesday of November of a given year.......
The newly elected official doesn't take his/her office until Jan 20th of the following year.......
If I'm not mistaken......thats what....almost eight weeks for all votes to be counted...... (If I remember right Bush was given the WH just before XMas.......so what was the rush that we couldn't wait until Jan 19th, 2001?)
We are a strong country......we know we are free......there are some that think that "We the People" can't go on by being told to wait.......PLEASE!! We could have waited the extra four weeks then in 2000 just like we can now and in the future!!
In the early days of our country: the reason for this was that they didn't have high-speed internet, TV, radio, satellites in space.........
They had horses! The few people allowed to vote of South Carolina back in 1781 would have been quite upset had a president been put into the WH by the High Court by the middle of Dec knowing full well their vote wasn't counted!
The same could be said for specifically Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004.......sadly.....this happens everywhere.....its just these two cases happen to be to obvious to cover up!
Why must we (as a democracy) be in a hurry to determine who is elected........we were given about eight weeks to figure it out properly in 1781........just because we have the technology now o do it....doesn't mean we have too!
Or we have scandals! and our democracy takes a back seat to (like in the media today).......a back seat to:
PROFITS......GREED......AND POWER!!
If you truely love this country.....and you want to hope to get rid of the crooked politicians and the for-profiteering of our "VOTE" by corporations..........
Read these two books and visit these sites:
"Black Box Voting" by Bev Harris (www.blackboxvoting.org)
"Votescam" by James and Ken Collier (www.votescam.com)
If anything else it will open up your eyes to the growing tumor of our great country......and perhaps we can all get angry enough to do something about it........
Even hard-core righties can't posibly think that I'm wrong here!! Anyone that does.....in my book.....your not a true American......and you can get the heck out!!
If I'm not mistaken......thats what....almost eight weeks for all votes to be counted...... (If I remember right Bush was given the WH just before XMas.......so what was the rush that we couldn't wait until Jan 19th, 2001?)
An incoming administration must make preparations- one example--> cabinet posts. It would have been ill advised to wait until the 11th hour as you seem to be suggesting in citing the date Jan 19, 2001. I would hardly say the process in 2000 was rushed. It dragged on for weeks. Personally I wish the original Florida vote had been thrown out and the citizens were allowed to vote again. Unfortunately I don't think thats within in the rules governing elections.
there was over five weeks until inaguration day. they could have taken two or three days to fashion a system and it wouldn't have taken more than three or so days to count the votes in dispute. it wasn't every vote cast. that is, if the court was interested in counting every vote, and not in the "arbitrary" and "disparate" treatment they cited as unacceptable in their decision. these candidates have people in mind for cabinet posts well before the elections. better to have determined the will of the voters than to put people in the white house who did not belong there.
- the supreme court ruled on dec. 12 - mefirst
State law in Florida stated the they would participate fully in the federal election process as defined by U.S. code. This code states that all conflicts must be resolved by Dec. 12.
The SC ruled "That date is here, but there is no recount procedure in place under the state court's order that comports with minimal constitutional standards."
The law was applied...that should clear up any wrong information.
that could have been extended with absolutely no problem was paramount to the actual wishes of the voters. if bush v gore was a 14th amendment case, and it was, then what was important was the actual intent of the voter, not some "arbitrary" deadline. again the date somehow was more important that the true winner of the election, especially considering the majority of this country wanted al gore.
I grant you that an incoming admin must have some time to prepare his cabinet........
But, do you really think that any incoming admin wouldn't already have one pre-created on the hope that they win!
Besides......if "We the People" really had a voice in our elections beyond the "vote" we cast.......
I'm pretty sure only those under the age of 10 or those just recently new to America (or a Fox Opinion zombie) wouldn't understand the need to have their "vote" counted properly!!
Your half right though.........the total vote count wasn't done in a rush.......but when you consider the begining of my post with the fact that there was still about 6 weeks left to count the "votes"........hmmm
It was rushed because the right-wing establishment knew that if all the "votes were counted their guy would have lost....... and no Sup Court decision would have been necsassary!
This alone has made the last six years a travisty and a joke!!
Before any of you right-wingers out there can say it...... I'd have been as upset if Gore had won it in the same fashion....
IT COMES TO THIS..........
EVERY VOTE MUST BE COUNTED.....BY HAND IF NEEDED! OR WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE FIGHTING FOR??
You say to TAZ: "I grant you that an incoming admin must have some time to prepare his cabinet........"
Are you aware that Bush's prospective cabinet had already been vetted ... BY THE WIFE OF CLARENCE THOMAS?
Talk about a conflict of interest ...
It's not just they they lied. But it is how they lied.
They used statements such as:
"We know where they [WMD] are"
"Solid evidence"
"Supported by facts"
"Grave danger"
"There is no doubt"
And they -- Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Powell -- used those kinds of statements over and over and over and over and over.
Here is a link to an NPR report that documents much of this: [link to www.npr.org]