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"Media Matters"; by Jamison Foser

March 30, 2007 8:23 pm ET

It's been such a long, long Time since it's been good

How many ways can one news outlet demonstrate that it is out of touch with the public in one week?

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Yesterday, Time Washington bureau chief Jay Carney wrote about his magazine's latest poll, noting that the survey shows Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama both losing to Rudy Giuliani and John McCain in hypothetical general-election matchups. Carney noted:

It's hard to know exactly why respondents who are generally unhappy towards -- and in many cases fed up with -- the G.O.P. might still prefer a Republican for President over a Democrat. Much of it has to do with the individual candidates involved.

Indeed, much of it does. Carney didn't mention this, but the poll included two other hypothetical matchups -- Clinton vs. Mitt Romney, and Obama vs. Mitt Romney. Clinton beats Romney by 17 points; Obama beats him by 24. Strange that Carney left those results out of his article.

Actually, it's strange that Time tested Romney in the hypothetical matchups in the first place. Why was Romney included and Democrat John Edwards left out?

According to Time's own polling, registered voters basically have no idea who Romney is. The newest Time poll found that only 35 percent say they know "a great deal" or "some" about Romney; 44 percent know only his name or have never heard of him at all. In the previous Time poll, only 29 said they knew a great deal or some about Romney, while 39 percent had never even heard of him, and more than half had either never heard of him or only knew his name.

Yet Time decided to include Romney in head-to-head matchups against Clinton and Obama. And, when he lost badly, Time's Washington bureau chief Jay Carney decided to disappear those results from his article headlined "A Surprising G.O.P. Edge for '08."

That edge sure looks bigger when you look only at the data that support it and ignore data that contradict it. How convenient.

And John Edwards, who Time did not test in head-to-head matchups? The newest Time poll found that 75 percent of registered voters know a "great deal" or "some" about him. The previous Time poll found 68 percent knew at least "some" about him.

Yet Time decided to leave Edwards out of the head-to-head matchups. Why did Time include Romney and not Edwards? Why, having included Romney, did Carney omit those results from his article purporting to show a GOP advantage in head-to-head matchups?

Carney went on to suggest that Democrats will be at a disadvantage in 2008 on national security issues:

Democrats also may have a residual disadvantage going into 2008 -- a long-standing disposition among voters to view Republicans as stronger on issues involving national security. Without question, Bush has done serious damage to the Republican brand in this arena. But, with the nation waging two wars and terrorism still a threat, that underlying sentiment might be one of the reasons G.O.P. candidates appear competitive at all.

Carney didn't include any polling data to back up his assertion that the "long-standing disposition among voters to view Republicans as stronger on issues involving national security" constitutes a disadvantage for Democrats in 2008. And, in fact, polling data on the topic suggests -- and has long suggested -- that this "long-standing disposition" is melting away. Just one week ago, Rasmussen found that more Americans trust Democrats to handle national security than Republicans -- a slim lead that balloons to 12 points when voters are asked specifically about Iraq. Those results aren't anomalous: We've written frequently that the media's continued insistence on portraying national security as a sure political winner for Republicans is not supported by the facts (for examples, see here, here, and here.)

Indeed, Time's own polling shows the folly of asserting that Republicans maintain a "long-standing" advantage on "issues involving national security." The last Time poll that measured attitudes toward the parties on national security issues found Democrats with a lead on Iraq and Republicans with a lead on terrorism.

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Carney has also repeatedly projected his own discomfort with John Edwards staying in the presidential race despite learning that Elizabeth Edwards' cancer has returned. Carney wrote a March 22 article on the topic in which he declared Edwards' explanation "discomfiting":

John said that when the two of them were alone, Elizabeth was concerned about everyone but herself -- her children, her husband and her country, in that order, but not herself.

He clearly meant it to be inspiring, but there is also something discomfiting about that statement. Even more discomfiting was Edwards' claim that by soldiering on while his wife has incurable cancer, he would be proving that he could deal with the pressures of being President. I wonder how voters will react to that sentiment.

Ana Marie Cox, Carney's Time colleague, pointed out in a Swampland post that if voters react as Carney suggests they will, it will be in large part because of how people just like Carney treat the topic:

As a piece of punditry, his point may yet stand: Over time, voters may react negatively to [the] image of a man pursuing the presidency as his wife struggles with an incurable disease. But whether or not that is the image they see is another question, and that creation of that image largely depends on how we in the media frame the Edwards' decision.

On March 23, Carney followed up with his own Swampland post, in which he defended his suggestion that the Edwardses' decision is "discomfiting":

I don't think it's inappropriate or unfair (or remotely politically biased) to say that I feel discomfited by the decision and the rationale behind it, or to make the fairly simple point that some Democrats out there might feel the same way.

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I don't think it is a stretch to suggest that, as they learn about Elizabeth's recurrence and about her and John's decision to continue his campaign, parents across the country are going to be asking themselves what they would do in such a situation. Surely how they answer that question will affect how some of them see John Edwards' presidential aspirations -- more favorably for some, less so for others.

Two days later, Carney wrote again:

I am no doubt inviting more criticism for having the gall to feel uncomfortable with the Edwards' decision, and for suggesting that other Americans might also feel that way. It must be obvious by now that others do, in fact, have similar doubts -- especially about the issue of whether a father of two young children whose wife may be seriously ill, and may even die, might be too distracted to be effective as president.

Carney, of course, can have doubts about whatever he wants to have doubts about. That's his business. But his repeated suggestion that he speaks not only for himself but for the masses as well makes us wonder why he hasn't addressed any of the available polling on the topic. Polling that shows that, by at least a 2-to-1 margin, Americans support the Edwardses' decision.

It's bad enough that Time's Washington bureau chief is badly out of touch with the American people. What's worse is that he claims to speak for them -- and ignores evidence to the contrary.

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Carney, of course, famously declared the Bush administration's prosecutor purge to be a nonscandal interesting only to liberal conspiracy theorists. Whoops. To Carney's credit, he eventually acknowledged that "Josh Marshall at TalkingPointsMemo and everyone else out there whose instincts told them there was something deeply wrong and even sinister about the firings" were right, and he was wrong -- though he didn't apologize for the conspiracy-theorists crack. Nor did he explain what, if anything, he has learned about whether journalists should be in the habit of simply assuming that the government hasn't done anything wrong.

As long as Carney and Time had changed their ways, such complaints may have seemed minor. And, indeed, Time finally paid a bit of attention to the story.

But that seems to be over now.

First, Time's Richard Stengel took to The Chris Matthews Show to declare the story uninteresting and to flatly assert that pursuing answers would turn out badly for Democrats. Stengel later claimed in an email to Ana Marie Cox that he had been "caught out speaking as a citizen rather than as editor of Time." But, as Greg Sargent explained:

Look, Stengel can say he's speaking as a "citizen," but this citizen is also the managing editor of one of the nation's top newsweeklies, and it's kinda off-putting to learn that someone with such journalistic influence either:

(a) knows what these polls say but is not letting them interfere with his view that the American public is predisposed to see Congressional oversight in such negative terms; or

(b) uninterested in consulting said evidence to learn what folks actually think about such matters before speaking for them with the authority of, yes, Time magazine's managing editor.

Moreover, Stengel may have been simply speaking as a citizen, but by amazing coincidence, the magazine of which he is managing editor just so happens to be behaving in a way that is entirely consistent with citizen Stengel's beliefs.

Time national political correspondent Karen Tumulty followed Stengel's lead with her own claim on Swampland that "the public so far seems relatively uninterested" in the prosecutor purge. Tumulty didn't attribute that claim to anything. She did, however, quote a Project for Excellence in Journalism item to show that the media has devoted a great deal of attention to the story.

As Media Matters noted, that same PEJ item selectively cited a March 16-19 poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press to support the assertion that "the public has yet to evince great enthusiasm" for the story. In fact, the Pew survey itself found that the percentage of people following the scandal very closely exceeded the percentage who followed the savings and loan scandal very closely, easily surpassed the percentage who followed Scooter Libby's conviction very closely, and was nearly equal to the percentage who followed Whitewater very closely. In other words, far from showing that the public is "uninterested," the Pew survey found that public interest is comparable to other recent scandals (real and invented).

And, as Ana Marie Cox (who lately seems to be playing the thankless but vital role of correcting her colleagues' blatant misrepresentations of both public opinion and reality) pointed out in response, other polling shows that "72 percent think Congress should investigate the White House's role in the dismissal of the attorneys."

And now, the new issue of Time magazine appears on newsstands, and it "contains precisely zero stories on the scandal. Nothing. As though it's not happening."

After a week in which Kyle Sampson testified and Monica Goodling announced her intention to invoke her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination in order to avoid doing so -- and a week in which polling found that 70 percent of Americans favor investigating the growing scandal -- Time magazine decided to go back to ignoring it.

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Stengel is by no means the only journalist to suggest that pursuing an investigation supported by more than 70 percent of Americans will backfire on the Democrats. The media have been full of dire warnings to Democrats not to conduct congressional investigations, dating back to before Democrats even took control of Congress. Glenn Greenwald, Steve Benen, Greg Sargent, and others have also noted and debunked claims that the public opposes investigations of the Bush administrations. (Chris Lehmann has tackled the equally pervasive pundit declarations that there is nothing to see here, move along please.)

These media warnings that the Democrats shouldn't investigate the administration's actions frequently invoke the public's disgust at Republicans investigations of the Clinton administration in the 1990s. That's a false comparison.

First, Bill Clinton was a popular president, while George W. Bush may be the most unpopular president of all time. Perhaps that suggests that the public might not react the same way to investigations of Bush?

Second, and more important, the nature of the investigations is quite different. Congressional Republicans conducted countless redundant investigations of the same failed land deal, all of which failed to produce evidence of wrongdoing by the Clintons. They investigated the White House Christmas card list. Then there was Dan Burton's carnival freak show of an "investigation," which involved the Indiana congressman shooting a pumpkin in his back yard in order to "prove" that Vince Foster was murdered. They probed the president's personal life. By contrast, congressional Democrats are investigating things like whether the Bush administration fired prosecutors because they didn't indict enough Democrats, and whether they lied to Congress about it. And they're looking into the false claims the administration made in taking the nation to war.

When a media figure suggests that Democratic investigations of the Bush administration will backfire the way Republican investigations of the Clinton administration backfired, just keep in mind that Republicans harassed a popular president by shooting produce in the back yard, while Democrats are looking into a historically unpopular president's mishandling of an unpopular war.

Then keep in mind that the media largely acted as cheerleaders for the investigations of Clinton.

In 1998, they didn't understand that the public was sick of partisan investigations of Clinton. In 2007, they don't understand that the public wants investigations of the Bush administration.

They'd know these things if only they would glance at their own polls.

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Finally, in a remarkable example of bad Time-ing, the April 2 issue of the magazine included a profile of Giuliani that gushed over "America's mayor," declaring him the "rock of 9/11" and asserting that the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, were "Giuliani's finest hour" and gave him "automatic standing" on the issue of terrorism.

Though you wouldn't know it from Time's Teen Beat approach to Giuliani's rocklike heroism, there actually are widespread criticisms of Giuliani's actions related to the September 11 attacks and other security issues, as Media Matters has detailed.

Indeed, even as Time's mash note lingered on newsstands, the New York Times revealed that Giuliani testified in 2006 that he had been briefed on Bernard Kerik's "relationship with a company suspected of ties to organized crime" before Giuliani appointed Kerik as New York City police commissioner. Giuliani had previously claimed he had not been told of the ties. And the Associated Press reported:

Giuliani, the leader in polls of Republican voters for his party's nomination, has been faulted on two major issues:

- His administration's failure to provide the World Trade Center's first responders with adequate radios, a long-standing complaint from relatives of the firefighters killed when the twin towers collapsed. The Sept. 11 Commission noted the firefighters at the World Trade Center were using the same ineffective radios employed by the first responders to the 1993 terrorist attack on the trade center.

[Sally] Regenhard [whose firefighter son died on September 11], at a 2004 commission hearing in Manhattan, screamed at Giuliani, "My son was murdered because of your incompetence!" The hearing was a perfect example of the 9/11 duality: Commission members universally praised Giuliani at the same event.

- A November 2001 decision to step up removal of the massive rubble pile at ground zero. The firefighters were angered when the then-mayor reduced their numbers among the group searching for remains of their lost "brothers," focusing instead on what they derided as a "scoop and dump" approach. Giuliani agreed to increase the number of firefighters at ground zero just days after ordering the cutback.

More than 5 1/2 years later, body parts are still turning up in the trade center site.

"We want America to know what this guy meant to New York City firefighters," said Peter Gorman, head of the Uniformed Fire Officers Association. "In our experiences with this man, he disrespected us in the most horrific way."

Looks like it's Time to stop polishing Giuliani's halo and start doing some reporting.

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    • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2007 8:32 pm ET)
         

      Wow!! Great Polling, TIME!!! HRC and BHO can beat someone that only 35% of those polled know much about by only 17 & 24 points respectively.  Looks like the D's still have some work to do to get their message(?) out. Seriously, TIME, why was Edwards left out???

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      • Author by mefirst (March 30, 2007 8:44 pm ET)
           

        the point oscar,  was that carney seemed to be saying that any republican will beat any democrat. he left out the part of the poll that showed differently.

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        • Author by bruce1ace (March 31, 2007 5:45 pm ET)
             

          I agree that Edwards should have been included in the poll since Romney was included.  However, this seems like strained logic to me by MMFA to complain about the Romney result not being mentioned, since that matchup has virtually no chance of happening.  You could also argue the point that Time threw Romney on there just to show that Democrats could beat SOMEBODY.

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          • Author by spooky3 (March 31, 2007 7:48 pm ET)
               

            Then, by that logic, TIME shouldn't have included him in the poll. But they did.  And since they did, they should have considered those results in deciding on a headline and analyzing the data.

            You can't know what the voters will do next year and neither will anyone else.

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          • Author by mefirst (March 31, 2007 8:55 pm ET)
               

            coulda shoulda woulda bruce.  you can conjecture all you want, but it's not like romney is some unknown candidate. not as well known as some, but the point here is that the headline seemed to suggest an automatic win by any republican against any democrat. their own poll showed different. if you want to pursue conspiracy theories of why romney was included, feel free.

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            • Author by bruce1ace (April 01, 2007 11:40 am ET)
                 

              Now who's spinning?  The headline reads "A Surprising G.O.P. Edge for '08." and you say they are suggesting an automatic win?  The fact is that the poll shows Republicans leading in 4 of the 6 matchups including all four between the top two contenders on each side.  If that's not an edge I don't know what is.  And even though they SHOULD have included Edwards in the poll as the third Democratic candidate, it strains credulity that he would be leading either Guilliani or McCain since the top two Dems aren't according to TIME's poll.

              Personally, I don't think the Republican candidate has a prayer in hell of winning in 08 but that's just my opinion and not supported by these TIME poll results, which are utterly MEANINGLESS a year and a half before the election.

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              • Author by spooky3 (April 01, 2007 12:17 pm ET)
                   

                I agree with you about the meaninglessness of the poll results at this early stage, but you're wrong about Edwards per this poll:

                http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Political%20Tracking/Presidential%20Match-Ups/March%202007/McCainvs.Edwards20070330.htm

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                • Author by spooky3 (April 01, 2007 12:26 pm ET)
                     

                  PS, I should have added that, contrary to what you imply, it is easy to see how Edwards could lead some or all of the Republicans when the other two leading Dems do not.  The polls that Clinton and Obama are leading tend to be polls of Democrats or likely Dem. primary voters, but Edwards leads more Republican candidate than they do, when all voters are asked, implying that he has greater crossover appeal.  

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                • Author by bruce1ace (April 01, 2007 12:26 pm ET)
                     

                  Very interesting!  I stand corrected about Edwards seeing he has a unique personal circumstance right now the "logical" conclusions may not apply.

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              • Author by mefirst (April 01, 2007 12:39 pm ET)
                   

                 where is the "edge"?  guiliani only beats obama by 1 point, and mccain beats him by 2.  mccain beats clinton by 6 points, but the poll notes that two weeks ago clinton held a 1 point lead. on the other hand clinton beats romney by 17 and obama beats him by 24. i fail to see all that as any "surprising edge for the gop".  and whether or not it's meaningless is beside the point. if you feel that way don't try to argue the merits of what was said.  you don't get it both ways.

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                • Author by bruce1ace (April 01, 2007 1:35 pm ET)
                     

                  The surprise, obviously, is that any Republican would be leading any Democrat based on Bush's approval ratings and the results of the 06 election. 

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                  • Author by mefirst (April 01, 2007 4:53 pm ET)
                       

                    not really. both guiliani and mccain are seen as far more moderate than bush, however true or untrue that may be.  but that's two candidates, who barely beat the democrats.  two candidates do not make up the "gop". hence, a selective reading of the poll.

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    • Author by mefirst (March 30, 2007 8:41 pm ET)
         

      especially when carney's column is headlined:  "poll, a surprising gop edge for 08".  it's a mixed bag for either party, but it's disingenuous to call it an "edge" for the republicans when some of their candidates lose by substantial margins to a democrat.

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      • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2007 9:21 pm ET)
           

        Yeah, the candidate that's polling in the low teens (or lower) in the R only polls. Where does Edwards stand in the D polls? That may answer why he didn't show up here. I think we would all agree that, as of this point in time, HR, BO, RG, and JM are the front runners in their respective parties.  If any others move up, then including them would make more sense.  Until then-----------------. Hey, a lot can happen in the next 10 months (could be equal to several political lifetimes). How will an equivalent poll move over that time frame, how will the entrance of a Newt (Gawd forbid!) or a Thompson affect a later poll? It is strange with the preceived popularity of the R party that HC or BO isn't outpolling either RG or JM by double digits at this time.

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      • Author by mefirst (March 30, 2007 9:28 pm ET)
           

        earler this week, mmfa noted something written about global warming by a columnist, tom jicha, at the south florida "sun-sentinel".  jicha wrote a followup column on may 26, in which he said:  "this includes the scare tactics [by al gore] that even the n.y. times has reported are disconcerting to the scientific community....what is under dispute is  the degree of influence humans have on it.  there have been several ice ages...all of these events happened well before cars, industrialization...isn't it worth exploring whether we are in the midst of another of those natural cycles before, out of fear, we embark on a path that could destroy the u.s. economy."   his first bit of misinformation is trying to portray the n.y. times article as the "scientific community" disagreeing with gore, when the fact is that a few dissenters to the acccepted view were the subject of that article.  and there is no argument that there have been natural changes, but the overwhelming consensus is not in dispute anymore.  and the consensus is that human activity is warming the earth beyond any natural changes.  jicha also sets up the false choice of either accept it or "destroy the u.s. economy".  when the fact is that reducing oil consumption would put more dollars into our hands, among other benefits. the auto industry cried a river when carter forced fuel standards on them in the 70's.  but when they had no choice they did it on time and for far less money than they claimed.  [and those fuel standards save the american consumer billions to this day]   a few weeks ago i wrote about a cartoonist for the tampa tribune, stayskal, who constantly mocks gore and global warming theory. jicha's paper is owned by the same company, the parent co. of the chicago tribune.

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        • Author by mefirst (April 01, 2007 6:54 pm ET)
             

          too funny. just watching nbc nightly news and mccain was blathering on about how he just walked around in a market outside the green zone in baghdad and that was proof of how safe things are. then the punch line.  they show mccain walking throught the market with armed soldiers on all sides surrounding  him.  there were a hundred soldiers and three helicopters guarding him.

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    • Author by buyavowel (March 31, 2007 12:29 am ET)
         

      I used to subscribe to Time.

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    • Author by jrundin (March 31, 2007 12:54 am ET)
         

       

       

      You know, there's a solution to this stuff. A couple years ago, I vowed never to buy a copy of Time or Newsweek again. I haven't. If enough people made that choice, they'd be sunk. I suspect that the majority of readers in this country are actually liberals. Just walk away from this stuff and it will go away.

       I'm now wondering if I should do the same with the NYT.

       

       

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (March 31, 2007 5:13 am ET)
           

        Works, but sooooo slowly!

        A better tack might be to beat on your Congressman and Senators, to support de-consolidation of the media - force the Corporations to comply with some (revised) maximum concentration/reach limits. I am not actually supportive of a second part of the proposed legislation, the Fairness Doctrine - too subjective, too cumbersome, and still would miss much of the offensive material, as "entertainment" or whatever. BUT - the Fairness Doctrine is actually unnecessary, anyway, once the Corporations are forced to divest the excess outlets they have busily acquired under this Repugnant FCC's increases of the limits, and then many more to reach the reduced upper limits. Even as-is, the mass of outlets disposed would provide an effective balance to the current oppressive oligopoly. 

        I would like - but have been unable to persuade Rep. Hinchley - to lower the limits even further than his proposal; I am beginning to believe that even my (once-daily, now merely frequent) emails urging immediate introduction are now being blocked or round-filed, because I can be somewhat of a pest. An additional citizen corresponding cannot hurt.

         I will wager that regardless, he will submit this bill again this year, since he has done so several years consecutively now - obviously it got little attention in the Repugnant congress.

        Media Ownership Reform Act

        MORA! MORA! MORA!

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        • Author by ajwan (March 31, 2007 8:08 am ET)
             

          Agreed. If you control the media, you control the message. Most people who are misinformed do no know they are being misinformed. Allowing consolidation of media into a small set of corporations undercuts a government by the people and for the people.

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    • Author by tex (March 31, 2007 8:20 am ET)
         

      It's like SERPICO.

      Our press were like the cops on the beat, keeping a cynical eye on the neighborhood, alert for wrongdoing.

      In SERPICO, most of those cops decided it was more profitable to be "on the take", and then their job was to observe corruption and wrongdoing, and urge citizens to "Move along, nothing to see here."

      This is because the corrupt have corrupted the supposed overseers.

      TIME is just symptomatic of the disease of the media takeover by Rightwing monied interests. It is no surprise that those in charge of "editorial" at TIME are nothing but metaphorical dirty cops. They are paid to do the bidding of those who pay THEM, and any notion of the responsibility of scrutinizing public servants or the public's right to know have gone sailing out the window. They are dirty cops, taking money in return for their integrity and honor, no less than the prostitutes that walk those same streets.

      Those tired and phony claims of " But ... but ... this is coming from the LIBERAL MEDIA!" have died a dead death. 

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    • Author by jfrivera9336 (March 31, 2007 9:37 am ET)
         

      Now that Carney got the big promotion, he's officially bought and paid for. I caught him on Chris Matthews show and he was dissing Dems and deifying Repubs. He's not  unbiased and is not credible. Time magazine has made a right turn and lost the middle.

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    • Author by paligap (March 31, 2007 7:48 pm ET)
         

      Tex, I love your Serpico metaphor and most of your other stuff, but "died a dead death"?

      I saw D.L. Hughley (sp?) on Real Time last night, and he made a comment about Hillary and Obama that made a lot of sense to me: America is not ready for a black or female president. I hate to agree, because I hoped that we had gotten that far, but these poll results seem to confirm it. Or maybe it's just because Hillary has such established negatives among so many voters. Or maybe it's because someone named Barack Hussein Obama triggers a response.

      McCain is a total sellout, and Guliani has so much baggage he needs an army of porters, but the two frontrunning Democrats have built-in disadvantages. How else can we explain this poll after six years of utter Republican incompetence and the 2006 election results?

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      • Author by miti386629 (March 31, 2007 9:31 pm ET)
           

        But what exactly has Hillary done, to warrant all of that negative baggage? Nothing more or less than any male candidate, black/white, dem or rep, so what is the problem? McCain had a bit of credibility, before the 2000 election, but he (IMO) has lost that but being a Bush apologist. Obama still has to get out there and let people know who he is. Sounds like there isn't really any tru front runner of either party. Michele

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (April 01, 2007 12:22 am ET)
           

        The Corporate Media have written and imposed the negative image for Hillary, Obama, Edwards, and any other prospective Dem candidate for 2008; and for Dems in general, emphasizing "partisan" in every action taken, regardless of how ethical - even altruistic - that specific action might be. When is the last time (if ever) that you could cite MSM coverage of "keeping promises" or "representing the people" attributed to any Dem? Certainly not within my aging memory.

        Even the passage by both House and Senate, of special funding for Bungle's war, has NO positive coverage in the MSM; neither has the attachment of the difficult and contentious redeployment staging, despite the weight of 67% public approval of exactly that measure. The Repugnant Congress got better press for failure to pass funding for continuing operation of the Government last year, than this Congress has received for cleaning up that mess at the last minute, or for managing despite the Repugnant's obstruction, to get through Congress a host of other promised measures (vetos pending, of course, on some). And the oversight that has been absent for the past six years? Of course the MSM is berating the Dems even for that, wishing that we could just pretend that no laws were broken, that no billions were stolen or wasted, that we were never deceived, and that Repugnants by nature aren't. I am mindful of a scene from one of the Bruce Willis "Die Hard" movies, wherein someone remarks "I think we're gonna need some new FBI guys".

        Well, we're gonna need some new media, else the Dem run is gonna be shorter than it should be. (See the ongoing "War on Gore, 2000-????" as proof.)

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    • Author by Andra (April 01, 2007 11:41 am ET)
         

      Carney's right that its uncomfortable to have a presidential candidate doing SO MUCH to make his wife's cancer a topic of the campaign.  Its very strange and I don't like it.  When people have cancer, all the rest of us want to do is be sympathetic, not have an opinion about what he/she should do.  I don't understand the press conference, NY Times interview, 60 Minutes, etc. etc.  and find it "discomfiting," too. 

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    • Author by tom.durkin2554 (April 01, 2007 2:56 pm ET)
         

      Quick question, because we discuss strategic voting in class.  Has anyone raised the issue that some of the sample who strongly support Clinton would help her by saying they would vote against Obama, & vice-versa?  Given the clusterf**k that the US Gov't has become under Bush, supporters are probably doing whatever they can think of to boost their candidate.  Hell, I've lied to pollsters strategically.

      And for the 30% that still support bush?  Can't explain it--I teach Soc, not abnormal psych.  

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      • Author by Dem02020 (April 01, 2007 8:41 pm ET)
           

        There's a sort of 'elastic limit' to poll results and Public opinion... results don't often 'stretch' to 90% or more (or 10% or less) on any question, no matter what it is...

        Maybe 30% of the American People believe in ghosts (maybe more)... 30% believe in UFO's (probably less)...

        30% believe Fox Noise Channel is something other than the broadcast arm of the Republican National Committee (much less than that really, I think; less, and getting lesser all the time).

        All of which actually says that about 70% of the American People have sense enough to not believe in ghosts or UFO's or Fox Noise Channel.

        If you weeded out the baffled superstitious delusional and senseless people from any sampling, and asked only people who were clear reasonable informed and sensible, you'd get fewer than 5% of such people thinking that George W. Bush, Dick Cheney et al, are anything like sincere public or civil servants...

        ...more than 95% of sensible American People know George W. Bush et al to be nothing but business agents, having seized the administration of the Federal Government, for their (and their supporters) private and financial gain...

        It's really close to 100% I think.

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    • Author by temphandle guilders81solidifying (April 01, 2007 3:52 pm ET)
         

      I think Carney deserves a new term for his efforts: Panditry

      -Mellifluous

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    • Author by samg (April 01, 2007 6:06 pm ET)
         

      you urge time to "start doing some reporting." they can't do that. they've fired too many of their reporters.

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    • Author by temphandle malcontent70photography (April 01, 2007 7:32 pm ET)
         

      Time editors appear to to be inflexibly trapped in a time warpwith Republican Talking Points being their only available reading material.  They now have the credibility they deserve; practically none.

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    • Author by redking75687 (April 02, 2007 2:30 am ET)
         

      And of course the poll and article only considers celebrity Republicans and Democrats, no outsiders, minor parties or independents will be mentioned or considered.....only Coke and Pepsi to be advertised in the same commercial, no off brands allowed. American consumerism and corporate control marches on.

      Greens 2008. Join the Revolution.

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      • Author by mefirst (April 02, 2007 6:33 am ET)
           

        i thought you told me the greens had been taken over by the democrats in 2004, when they nominated cobb. how do you know the same thing won't happen in 08?

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        • Author by redking75687 (April 02, 2007 12:29 pm ET)
             

          Just keep drinking your Pepsi and vote for Israel's pet Democrat....that'll make the world a better place. Heh.

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          • Author by mefirst (April 02, 2007 6:16 pm ET)
               

            i notice you didn't deny what i said, heh.  you said the democrats took over the greens in 2004, and now you want people to vote green in 08. so explain it.

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