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"Media Matters"; by Jamison Foser

May 04, 2007 8:47 pm ET
This Week:

"That's what they call a softball"

David Broder, an epilogue

"That's what they call a softball"

Roughly 20 minutes into last night's Republican presidential debate, MSNBC's Chris Matthews asked Rep. Ron Paul, who is -- with a few exceptions here and there -- generally opposed to the existence of the federal government, if he would work to phase out the IRS as president. "That's what they call a softball," Matthews noted.

He needn't have bothered with the disclaimer. By that point, viewers couldn't have been surprised.

After all, Matthews began the debate by grooving a pitch for Rudy Giuliani: "Mayor Giuliani, how do we get back to Ronald Reagan's morning in America?"

Last year, Matthews gushed that Giuliani "may well be the perfect candidate to replace" President Bush -- who Matthews has memorably said "glimmers" with "sunny nobility."

Matthews' second question during last night's debate went to Sen. John McCain: "What would you need, as commander in chief, to win the war in Iraq?" When McCain answered that he would "need the support of the American people," Matthews declined to ask the obvious follow-up -- How are you going to get it, given that the American people want out of this war? -- instead asking, "Do you need anything, beyond what the president has now, to win the war?"

Roughly three weeks ago, Matthews all but endorsed McCain, declaring that he "deserves to be president."

Not that Giuliani and McCain are the only Republican candidates for whom Matthews has expressed fondness -- he recently swooned over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney's "perfect hair" and "great chin."

Nor has Matthews waited for Republicans to announce their intentions to run before lavishing them with praise: He has said former Sen. Fred Thompson "looks like a movie star," adding that "people like movie stars," and he has described an interview he conducted with Thompson as an example of "when you fall in love with politicians."

So it wasn't entirely surprising to see the Hardball host spend valuable time playing softball with the GOP candidates. For example:

MATTHEWS: Let me go to Senator McCain. We're in the house of Ronald Reagan. Every cab driver in America knew what Ronald Reagan stood for: defeat communism abroad; reduce big government at home. Can you, Senator McCain, restore that kind of unity of purpose?

Seeing McCain get a chance to take some swings at such a fat pitch apparently provoked a bit of jealousy in his opponents. As McCain was wrapping up his answer, Matthews announced: "Two or three gentlemen have asked to respond to that. First Congressman [Duncan] Hunter, and then Governor [Mike] Huckabee, and then Senator -- those three."

Three other candidates falling over each other to get a chance to answer a question they weren't asked is a pretty good indication that the question may have been a tad on the easy side.

But it would get easier. Later in the debate, Matthews asked Giuliani the comparatively tricky "Has the increased influence of Christian conservatives in your party been good for it?" After Giuliani avoided answering the question ("Sure. The increased influence of large numbers of people are always good for us," Giuliani began, before moving even further away from any discussion of the influence of Christian conservatives on the GOP), Matthews turned to former Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson, and asked: "Governor Thompson, same question. Well, actually, you could respond to just about anything at this point."

Well, actually, you could respond to just about anything at this point.

And, indeed, the candidates could. Matthews and his co-moderators (John Harris and Jim VandeHei of The Politico) often let the candidates get away with avoiding their questions entirely. For example:

Moderator: Mayor Giuliani, Bradley Winters of New York would like to know if there's anything you learned or regret during your time as mayor in your dealings with the African-American community?

Giuliani: There's a great deal that I learned and a great deal that I regret during the time I was mayor, and a great deal I was very, very satisfied with. I tried very, very hard to treat everyone in New York City the same. We reduced crime by 67 percent. Some of the biggest beneficiaries of that would have been in the poorer neighborhoods of New York City, not necessarily the African-American community but a lot of the communities of New York City. And I worked very, very hard to try to move hundreds of thousands of people out of welfare.

We actually followed Tommy Thompson's program, and we had the most successful welfare-to-work program in the country. We moved 660,000 people off welfare. And I think one of the reasons that crime is still down in New York today... [ellipsis in MSNBC transcript]

Moderator: That's the time, Mayor.

Giuliani: Thank you.

Giuliani didn't even come close to pretending to answer the question. Asked what he regretted about his "dealings with the African-American community" as mayor of New York, Giuliani replied by bragging that African-Americans were among the beneficiaries of a reduction in crime that occurred while he was mayor. That cannot, under even the most generous interpretation, be construed as an actual answer to the question.

Yet the moderator simply moved on, to Romney: "What do you dislike most about America?" Romney didn't really answer, either, declaring "Gosh. I love America," then explained why.

Which isn't to say the moderators never jumped in when a candidate avoided a question or made a statement of dubious accuracy. Matthews, for example, jumped in to challenge Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo's joking reference to Air Force One looming above the auditorium:

TANCREDO: And as a matter of fact, this is as close as I've ever been to Air Force One.

(Laughter)

MATTHEWS: Well, by the way, this isn't still the Air Force One.

TANCREDO: To the replica...

(Crosstalk)

TANCREDO: ... of Air Force One. Exactly.

Whew. Good thing Tancredo didn't get away with that.

Not all of the questions Matthews, Harris, and VandeHei asked were softballs, of course. And there's nothing wrong with the occasional softball, anyway: Giving candidates a chance to explain their policy positions and what their priorities as president would be -- particularly this early in the campaign -- is probably a good thing.

But some of the questions not asked last night are awfully curious, particularly in light of the questions that were asked during last week's Democratic debate, also broadcast on MSNBC and moderated by a high-profile NBC host, Brian Williams.

During the Democratic debate, Williams asked about so-called "Elephants in the Room," which he described as "uncomfortable questions about issues or beliefs attached, for whatever reason, to all of you -- perception issues, for lack of a better word." "Elephants in the Room," indeed: The questions may as well have been written by the Republican National Committee's communications department. Take the first, for example:

WILLIAMS: Senator [Barack] Obama, you go first. You've promised in your campaign a new kind of politics, but just this week, the Chicago Sun-Times reported on questionable ties you have with a donor who was charged last year for demanding kickbacks on Illinois business deals. Aren't you practicing the very same kind of politics that many of the others on this stage have engaged in?

If the goal was to make both Obama and his Democratic rivals look bad, this was an almost perfectly crafted question. In just two sentences, Williams suggested to viewers:

1. Barack Obama is a hypocrite ("You've promised ... but ... Aren't you?")

2. Barack Obama is a crook ("... questionable ties ... charged last year ... demanding kickbacks ... ")

3. So are the other Democratic candidates (" ... the very same kind of politics that many of the others on this stage have engaged in ... ")

Though the wording of the question was, well, questionable, there's nothing terribly unusual about a debate moderator asking a candidate about his personal finances.

In fact, one of the most obvious questions for last night's Republican debate was about Giuliani's business partner, Bernard Kerik. As The New York Times explained last month:

Rudolph W. Giuliani said Saturday that he should have looked more closely into the commissioner's background and acknowledged that it may cause voters to question his judgment.

The New York Times reported Friday that Mr. Giuliani may have been told that the former commissioner, Bernard B. Kerik, had a relationship to a company suspected of having ties to organized crime -- an accusation the company denies -- even before he chose Mr. Kerik to head the New York Police Department.

[...]

Mr. Kerik, who has been under federal investigation in recent months, turned down a plea deal several weeks ago in which federal prosecutors offered to allow him to admit to tax fraud and conspiring to eavesdrop illegally in exchange for a two-year prison term, according to a person briefed on the case. Charges against Mr. Kerik are possible in the coming weeks, several people briefed on the case have said.

[...]

After Mr. Giuliani left office, he and Mr. Kerik were partners in a security consulting business. And in 2005, he supported President Bush's choice of Mr. Kerik as federal secretary of homeland security, a selection that was withdrawn as questions were raised about Mr. Kerik.

[...]

Mr. Kerik pleaded guilty last year in a New York State court to two misdemeanor charges, admitting that he illegally accepted $165,000 in free renovations of his apartment from a contracting company, Interstate Industrial Corporation, which city regulators suspect of having ties to organized crime.

The Times reported on Friday that Mr. Giuliani, testifying under oath in April 2006, told a grand jury that the former city commissioner of investigation remembered briefing him on some aspects of Mr. Kerik's relationship to Interstate in 2000, before he named Mr. Kerik as police commissioner.

Strangely, though, Giuliani wasn't asked about Kerik during last night's debate. When the Democrats debated, Brian Williams asked Barack Obama a loaded question about his ties to a controversial figure. But Rudy Giuliani's relationship with Bernard Kerik -- which could charitably be described as one of the most spectacular examples of poor judgment by a national figure in the past decade -- didn't even come up during the Republican debate. Chris Matthews didn't say a word. Nor did he ask John McCain about his role in the Keating Five scandal.

In fact, none of the Republican candidates got a single question about their business dealings, personal finances, or ties to controversial figures. Only Democrats got such questions.

That wasn't the only blindingly obvious question Matthews and his co-hosts decided not to ask Giuliani. Roughly halfway through the debate, Matthews asked McCain:

MATTHEWS: Senator McCain, when you announced last week, you took a couple of shots at incompetence in government. You talked about you wouldn't put up with having police and fire radios on different frequencies. And I somehow got the idea you were talking about New York City.

McCain denied that he had been talking about New York City. And, strangely, Matthews didn't ask Giuliani about New York City fire radios, even after raising the issue in his question to McCain. As Media Matters has explained:

[Giuliani has been criticized] by the International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) and a New York City IAFF union affiliate that had supported President Bush's re-election in 2004. As Media Matters noted, some of those criticisms were expressed in a February 28 draft letter from the IAFF to its union members. Additionally, a March 15 Cox News Service article reported: "As revered as he is by many for his efforts after the attacks, Giuliani is reviled by some firefighters who believe he mishandled the development of a radio system that could have saved lives on 9/11 and turned his back on first responders' remains in the rubble." A March 30 Associated Press article further noted September 11 criticisms by the IAFF and by Sally Regenhard, chairwoman of the Skyscraper Safety Campaign and mother of a firefighter killed on 9/11. The AP noted that the Giuliani "administration's failure to provide the World Trade Center's first responders with adequate radios [is] a long-standing complaint from relatives of the firefighters killed when the twin towers collapsed. The Sept. 11 Commission noted the firefighters at the World Trade Center were using the same ineffective radios employed by the first responders to the 1993 terrorist attack on the trade center."

Yet even after hinting at this controversy in his question to McCain, Matthews didn't ask Giuliani about it. To be fair, Matthews did manage to resist calling Giuliani a "hero." Still, the omission was simply bizarre, particularly given that just two days earlier, Matthews hosted a guest who questioned Giuliani's handling of September 11, leading Matthews to wonder: "So, why do people think he did serve well and perform well, as the leader of New York, during that crisis? Why do people think that?"

But the most glaring omission during the Republican debate may have been the moderators' repeated failure to ask the candidates how they would pay for their tax cuts or how they would deal with the deficit.

All evening, Matthews, Harris, and VandeHei managed to look at 10 prominent Republicans, several of whom have served in the United States Congress during the past six years, without once asking what they would do to fix the deficit they and the Republican president created. Well, that's not quite true: McCain got this question:

MODERATOR: Chris Harris from Manhattan, Kansas, is very concerned about the budget and about deficits. He wants to know, what specific programs would you cut if you were president?

He didn't answer it, though, talking instead about wanting a line-item veto and getting "cost overruns" associated with "defense acquisition" "under control" -- but not actually mentioning any specific programs he would cut.

And, of course, he wasn't pressed to do so by his gracious hosts.

On another occasion, John Harris had an opportunity to question how Republicans would pay for tax cuts, when he asked McCain about his flip-flop on the Bush tax cuts:

HARRIS: Senator McCain, some of your colleagues have been hit pretty hard on flip-flops, but you now support extending President Bush's tax cuts. But you originally voted against them. That makes no sense.

That was the whole question. Harris didn't quote McCain's original argument against the Bush tax cuts and ask him to reconcile that with his current support for extending the cuts. He didn't ask McCain about the effect the cuts have had on the deficit or about the effect their extension would have. He didn't ask McCain any of the countless meaningful questions he could have asked. Instead, he simply "asked": "That makes no sense."

And immediately following McCain's answer, Matthews announced, "I want each candidate to mention a tax you'd like to cut, in addition to the Bush tax cuts, keeping them in effect."

Rather than asking them how they would pay for extending the Bush tax cuts or fix the deficit they created in the first place, Matthews simply asked them to name some more taxes they'd like to cut -- no need to explain how they'd pay for those, either! He just handed them our wallet and let them loose in the candy store.

Again, a contrast to the Democratic debate is instructive. A week ago, Democratic candidates were repeatedly asked about their health care plans. Well, that isn't quite true: They were repeatedly asked how they would pay for their health care plans:

  • WILLIAMS: Let's talk about health care, an issue that currently ranks a solid second in virtually every opinion poll in the United States. [Former] Senator [John] Edwards , you have said you would raise taxes to pay for a health care plan. The question is: Which ones?
  • WILLIAMS: Senator Obama, how would you pay for your plan?
  • WILLIAMS: Senator [Hillary] Clinton, you're perhaps more closely associated with this issue than anyone on this stage. How would you pay for your plan?

Notice anything missing? Williams didn't bother to ask the candidates to tell us what their health care plans are. Didn't ask them what, if anything, they would do to provide health care to the uninsured. Williams knew that health care "currently ranks a solid second in virtually every opinion poll," but he didn't really want to hear about it. Instead, he cut right to the chase: Don't bore us with talk of providing health care, just tell us what taxes you'd raise to pay for it. As Obama noted in response: "Well, first of all, let me tell you what I would do."

In short: The Democratic candidates weren't asked what they would do to improve health care, only how they would pay for it. The Republican candidates, by contrast, were asked what taxes they would cut, but not how they would pay for the cuts.

Matthews & Co.'s handling (or lack thereof) of taxes may have been the lowlight of the evening from a policy standpoint, but the most jaw-droppingly inane question was still to come. In the late innings, Matthews managed to come up with a contender for the dubious title of "Worst Question Ever Asked in a Presidential Debate":

MATTHEWS: I want to ask you a question almost as much fun -- I want to get to the next question. I'm sorry, because you can expand on your thought as part of this answer. I asked about raising taxes. It was almost like the Reagan round here. Everybody wanted to do that. I'm sure he was listening to that good thought. But let me ask you about something else that might be a negative in the upcoming campaign. Seriously. Would it be good for America to have Bill Clinton back living in the White House?

Maybe the fact that Matthews had to make clear in the middle of his question that he was being serious should have given him pause, should have led him to reconsider at the last minute.

But Chris Matthews' creepy obsession with the Clintons' marriage was apparently too strong to resist.

Put that creepy obsession aside for a moment: With a finite amount of time remaining, Chris Matthews thought the best use of that time would be to ask a group of Republicans who want to be president if they thought it would be good for America if a Democrat was elected president.

What the heck did he think they would say? What the heck did he think the audience would learn from such an answer? What the heck is wrong with this man?

More than one thing, most likely. But that creepy obsession with the Clintons is certainly one of them. Matthews simply cannot stop talking about their marriage, about whether Bill Clinton will "behave" or whether he'll be a "distraction."

Moderating a presidential debate featuring a candidate -- Rudy Giuliani -- whose current wife is his third, who told his second wife he was divorcing her via a press conference, who moved out of the mayor's mansion to continue cheating on her in peace, and whose first marriage was to his second cousin, Matthews just couldn't stop thinking about the Clintons' marriage.

And so he asked what may be the dumbest question ever asked in a presidential debate: Would it be good if a Democrat is elected president? Matthews asked a group of Republicans who want to be president.

We never did learn how the Republican presidential hopefuls would pay for the tax cut wish-list Matthews urged them to detail. But we did learn that none of the Republican presidential candidates wants a Democrat to be elected president.

Good thing we got that straight.

David Broder, an epilogue

We devoted last week's column to The Washington Post's David Broder, titan of journalism. The proximate cause of that column was Broder's much-derided comparison of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to embattled Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Broder suggested that Reid's Democratic colleagues were unhappy with his performance and that they might look to replace him. The entire Democratic caucus promptly responded by sending a letter to the Post expressing its support for Reid and praising him as an "extraordinary leader."

At this point, there isn't much left to be said, but Broder's reaction this week to the controversy is worthy of brief mention.

Appearing on The Bob Edwards Show this week, Broder said it is "doubtful" that victory in Iraq is possible. Just four days earlier, Broder had assailed Reid's "ineptitude" because of Reid's suggestion that the war "is lost." That seems to speak for itself.

Broder also sarcastically addressed the unanimous support for Reid expressed by the senator's Democratic colleagues:

BRODER: I thought it was terribly moving that 50 Democratic senators, including one who's been hospitalized for months and has not made it to the Senate floor, spontaneously put their names on the letter to you and to The Washington Post, condemning me for what I had said about their leader, Harry Reid.

During an online discussion with Post readers on May 4, Broder again sarcastically described the Democrats' letter: "Since I would never question their motives, I have to assume that they spontaneously and simultaneously chose to express their confidence in their leader on the same day last week."

Broder seems to think he's making some kind of point with his sarcastic references to spontaneity. He isn't.

Of course the letter was not spontaneous. Of course it isn't a coincidence that they "simultaneously" signed the letter. Broder claimed Senate Democrats are unhappy with Reid. In response to that claim, every Senate Democrat signed a letter praising Reid. Now Broder seems to suggest that the fact that they rebutted his claim substantiates it.

It is certainly possible that some, many, or all of the Democrats who signed the letter were insincere. But the fact that they all signed the letter is not, despite what Broder seems to think, evidence that they don't believe it. If one or more Democratic senators has said things to Broder that lead him to believe the letter is insincere, he should simply and clearly say so. He needn't name his source if confidentiality was promised. But Broder has not made such a statement, even when he was essentially invited to do so by a reader:

Asheville, N.C.: You wrote in your column of April 26 that Senators in both parties (indeed, a long list of them) were dissatisfied and embarrassed, etc. about Harry Reid. What Democratic senators were on that long list? What was your source? Do you stand by what you reported in that column?

David S. Broder: Yes, I do. The senators will have to speak for themselves, but his record speaks volumes.

Broder is unwilling to simply say that Democratic senators have told him they are "ready" for Reid's "exhibition[] of ineptitude to end" -- even without naming them. Instead, he relies on sarcastic insinuations that their praise for Reid is insincere.

That, too, speaks volumes.

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    • Author by roundhouse (May 04, 2007 10:00 pm ET)
         

      Good contrast and comparison of the debate questions, Mr. Foser. Thank you.

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    • Author by spooky3 (May 04, 2007 10:01 pm ET)
         

      Dear Mr. Broder:

      According to Senator Tim Johnson's website, as posted April 30, 2007, he was discharged from the hospital a week ago. Further, "While he continues to meet with staff and do work, Johnson will continue his speech, physical and occupational therapy five days a week for several hours each day as an out-patient." Does that sound like someone incapable of understanding events that had gone on around him in recent days or weeks, of discussing matters with trusted colleagues, of reading a statement, and of signing his name? Are you suggesting that people who are undergoing physical therapy, or have difficulty getting around to the point that they are not physically ready to return to the Senate Floor, or similar workplaces, have no mental capacity? Are you accusing his colleagues of fraud or coercion to obtain Sen. Johnson's agreement?

      Just want to make sure we understand the facts. You know, those things that *journalists* report.

      PS MMFA:  great work again.

       

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    • Author by MickD (May 04, 2007 11:28 pm ET)
         

      Let's make ALL of the Repub candidates co-presidents! The Presidential Squad! How can there possibly be only one Commander Guy after that spectacular display of smarts and wisdom?

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    • Author by bones2earth (May 05, 2007 2:06 am ET)
         

      More like tee-ball.

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    • Author by flhinton9099 (May 05, 2007 4:47 am ET)
         

      Guys, it is a wonder you can wade through this right-wing garbage without getting physically ill.  I can barely stomach watching this crap.  How you guys do what you do everyday is amazing in and of itself.  I beleive that a steady diet of the right-wing noise machine will rot your brain.

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      • Author by UnEasyOne (May 05, 2007 6:40 am ET)
           

        Amen.

        For too long wingnuts like Broder have been allowed the pretense that they are merely "interested and objective observers" of the political scene.  That they are not and MMA and others are exposing them for what they are is why they become less relevant by the day.

        As far as the debates are concerned, the Dems need to learn that they can't win against a stacked deck.  MSNBC is just Fox with the hard edges filed off.  They should bring back the League of Women Voters to host with only the following ground rules.

        1)  Each candidate should be allowed a reasonable amount of time for an opening and closing statement.

        2)  The moderator/questioner must be someone the candidates agree on as unbiased.

        3)  A limited number of questions may be asked by the candidates themselves of other candidates.

        4)  A limited number of rebuttals must be allowed for each candidate.

         Maybe then we would see some actual debates.

         PS:  Congress should pass a law requiring each network to provide free time for these debates under the ground rules I have laid out.

         

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        • Author by factsrstubborn (May 05, 2007 10:33 am ET)
             

          Great suggestions, Uneasy.  To yours, I add:5) On the final Sunday prior to Election Day (both Primary and General Election), a special debate is to be held.  Each candidate gets to play their opponent's most aggregious attack ad, make a statement rebutting the ad, and ask a pointed question to their opponent, regarding this attack ad.  Opponent then must respond specifically to the question posed to him/her about his ad.  If the response strays from addressing the subject (the attack ad) and the substance of the question, the candidate is warned by the moderator.  If he/she strays again, his/her mike is cut and the time is forfeited.6)  On the evening prior to Election Day, all over-the-air broadcasters must, as a public service, devote the evening to a very special kind of unpaid political advertising.  Each candidate gets to select four 2-3 minute sequences OF THEIR CHOOSING from any of the debates, to be re-aired as commercials.  No quick ten second sound bytes; the sequence must be at least two minutes long.  The sequence can show the candidate, their opponent, or any time-continuous sequence involving a combination of the two candidates.  The sequence is introduced as advertising on behalf of Candidate -X-, and that's it.  No special editing or graphics allowed, just the selected sequences from the debates.    Then let candidates raise all the $$$ in the world (they will anyway) -- but let it all be nullified in the final days of the campaign by broadcasters acting in the public interest, and by candidates making intelligent use of the opportunity to speak to the issues and to shine a light on manipulative advertising.  Yes I know;  I'm dreaming.

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          • Author by UnEasyOne (May 05, 2007 10:59 am ET)
               

            I love it!

            Except the mike cutting part.  Who would judge?

            Of course you're dreaming - we both are - but look how many improbable sucka** dreams the wingnuts have realized since about 1968.  It's our turn now, baby! 

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            • Author by factsrstubborn (May 05, 2007 11:48 am ET)
                 

              You're right of course, about the mike-cutting part being bad.  I'm just sick of candidates ignoring debate questions, basically saying F-You and your question, I choose not to answer it.  Instead I'll launch into a prepared speech on another topic, because I have the mike and this is how I choose to use my allotted time, and there's nothing you can do about it.  Perhaps the cure is one allowed interjection by the opponent, who gets to interrupt once to make the boilerplate statement "Excuse me, but I wish to argue that my opponent has chosen not to answer this very legitimate question.  Viewers should ask themselves, why."  Then the question-avoiding candidate can continue speaking and say whatever they wish with the balance of their time.  Again, I'm dreaming.

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              • Author by UnEasyOne (May 05, 2007 10:00 pm ET)
                   

                Couldn't agree more.  If you or I were cutting the mike...

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          • Author by bobcra (May 05, 2007 10:04 pm ET)
               

            I like the structure of your debate, but remember: when Reagan zilched the Fairness Doctrine with a stroke of his Executive pen, the point was to do exactly what has happened to political discourse since that time - kill it. Bring back the Fairness Doctrine, not as legislation, but as a Constitutional right included within the First Amendment, and (if it meets Constitutional muster) then it would be the law of the land. Until that time, any wacko president would be able to do just what Reagan did and stifle free and open speech. And they called him the Great Communicator? I guess so...I read him loud and clear!

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            • Author by mefirst (May 06, 2007 3:53 pm ET)
                 

              but all the conservatives will say you can't force broadcasters to carry anything.  true, but you can make them provide a balance.  it does  not have to be minute to minute, but when those broadcasters apply for the right to exclusive use of what is our public airwaves, they agree to serve the public good.  they are not doing that now.  in many radio markets, guys like o'reilly get fractional shares of the audience.  meanwhile a guy like ed schultz, who has shown some strength in some markets, has a hard time getting on the air.

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    • Author by captfoster2 (May 05, 2007 8:32 am ET)
         

      "In fact, none of the Republican candidates got a single question about their business dealings, personal finances, or ties to controversial figures. Only Democrats got such questions."

      This tiny little quote from Mr Foser says it all about the obvious stance of the corporate media and the new Republican party just how ultimately screwed this country is!

      I want what I am saying to be crystal clear here......

      This is not a knock on the concept of conservatism, compassionate or otherwise or those of you in here that are but can't come to terms with the truth but more of a wake up call to all you self described conservatives that feel that they must defend this new and twisted  conservative values system:

      To blatantly wrap yourself in the flag while wiping your ass with it!

      I was an over-the-road trucker for a little over two years and was a candy vendor on a military base (up until the disasterous war started) for about the same amount of time and have met hundreds of people from all over America,

      Yes, there were some that acted as if GW and him minions were doing what they did for the betterment of all of us but the vast majority of these self-described conservatives had nothing but disgust for the way this new bred has hijacked their belief system,

      Now I'm a self-described liberal progressive and damn proud to say it and told every single one of these people I speak of and we all got along anyways, even if we disagreed,

      My point is, the corporate media and many of todays politicians (today, the majority of the crooked are Republicans but some Democrats are in this group too, are making many of their followers, like some of you in here (you know who you are) to believe that people like me (and others) are un-American or that we want our country to be destroyed or that GW is a great guy or that all is well everywhere......

      While my thoughts may have started on-topic I know that I veered off but after watching the Democratic and Republican debates and seeing the contrdiction live and for all to see,

      Only those that would financially benefit can possibly defend Matthews judicious use of lame softball questions never mentioning their possible connections to crooked individuals but was brought up indiscriminitly by Williams to the Dems!

      All you old school conservatives that haven't destroyed your brain with Fox Noise noise ask yourself this:

      By defending this new breed, what do or are you gaining?

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    • Author by porrofatto1120 (May 05, 2007 9:59 am ET)
         

      By contrast, there was only one question asked of one Republican candidate about health care. Mitt Romney was asked is his healthcare experiment in Massachusetts was something Hillary Clinton might have devised. He answered that the free market could keep us from socialized "Hillary care."

      Unprompted, Giuliani mentioned healthcare only long enough to say that we have the greatest healthcare system in the world and "we shouldn't turn it into socialized medicine."

      Health care may be the single biggest domestic problem we face, and it's about to become a national catastrophe. (See today's NY Times–there are at least 3 articles about howawful the situation has become for small businesses and individuals, with insurance companies cutting and gouging with impunity–appearing on a Saturday, natch, but still.) One question. It's embarrassing what our national media election spectacle has become.

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      • Author by jjamele2880 (May 05, 2007 4:48 pm ET)
           

        Being a Republican candidate for President means being able to push away any annoying problem by just saying "America has the best (fill in the blank) and will continue to have the best (fill in the blank) when I am President."  America has the best health care, education, science, technology, etc etc etc and if you dare disagree, you must hate the USA and the terrorists have already won.  The level of nonsensical pandering is just too much sometimes.

        Problems? America has problems? What are you, an Islamofascist? 

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    • Author by wolfbato (May 05, 2007 10:36 am ET)
         

      Let us not forget that this putz called Chris Matthews is the one who said to Tom Delay .... "You are great" and ".... maybe you could work here [MSNBC]". Just a thought ... what kind of questions do you think Olbermannn would have asked if he was in Matthews position .... I would say probably ... pertinent and interesting ones as opposed to the inane asinine blatherings of Matthews.

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      • Author by factsrstubborn (May 05, 2007 12:18 pm ET)
           

        The key difference between the two:  When KO is doing news segments he plays it straight down the middle.  If you had never seen his Countdown show or his Special Comments, you would never know he is a strong Progressive.  However -- whether you're watching Hardball, commentary following a SOTU, or debate moderation you know exactly what agenda and associated meme Tweety is pushing.

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      • Author by jscott (May 05, 2007 5:32 pm ET)
           

        Wouldn't this be funny?  The next time MSNBC covers a rethug debate, they announce at the last minute, "Mr. Matthews is no longer with us, and Mr. Olbermann will be moderating this evenings debate".

        Medical journals for decades would dissect the sudden "mass outbreak" of laryngitis among the candidates.

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        • Author by jscott (May 05, 2007 5:34 pm ET)
             

          Or, to paraphrase my 5 year-old, they'd be "freaking up".

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    • Author by kevin1007 (May 05, 2007 10:45 am ET)
         

      You have to give the GOP candidates a great deal of credit. Chris Matthews worked for the hapless Jimmy Carter and Tip O'Neill, two far left Democrats. The Republicans could have done like the Democrats vis-a-vis Fox News and claimed that Matthews and MSNBC have a liberal bias (which, of course, they do). However, they stood there and took questions from Matthews and the other liberals on the panel.

      When Democrats are afraid to face Brit Hume, how can we expect them to face rogue states and terrorists? This country can not afford to have another Bill Clinton, a man who was much more interested in pursuing bad girls than in pursuing bad guys. The word is too dangerous for a Democrat to be in the White House.

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      • Author by roundhouse (May 05, 2007 11:06 am ET)
           

        Apparently, words are too dangerous for either party. That is why so little of anything of substance was asked in either of the candidate gatherings.

        As for the dangerous people who lurk on this planet, I much prefer the smart and strong liberal approach to bringing them to justice over the high school tough guy posturing offered by the right.

        This is why national security is better handled by the left: We do not see the world as an either/or choice, we therfore do not restrict our options to a single solution.

        What liberals know is that our national security has at its foundation secure ports and infrastructure. But the even larger portrait of longterm national security includes energy independence and a clean environment (green economy), a strong middle class, quality health care and education for all and reformation of our international reputation.

        Edwards is right, we need to be patriotic about more than war. We need initiatives that will recast our role as nation of peacemakers. We need to battle the causes of terrorism; poverty and disease. We need to work with our international neighbors to monitor and infiltrate terror cells with the goal of bringing them to justice. That's just common sense.

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      • Author by UnEasyOne (May 05, 2007 11:08 am ET)
           

        That is very nearly the stupidist comment I've seen on this site so far.  Of course I've only been here a couple of weeks.  That famous leftist Ronald Reagan was president of his union too.  Before he became an FBI snitch, that is - so what?

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        • Author by jscott (May 05, 2007 5:25 pm ET)
             

          Maybe you missed last week when he suggested that Clinton was responsible for a half-million deaths during his administration, and tried to slip the 3000 dead on 9/11 in to his little laundry list.  People like him always leave you thinking you've seen or heard the most ridiculous  thing ever, only to turn around and outdo themselves, kinda like this administration.

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        • Author by RINO Hunter (May 05, 2007 5:59 pm ET)
             

          It's one of the best comments I've seen so far. It wasn't really fair for MSNBC to have a liberal moderater for a Republican debate. The only thing worse would have been to have the far left neo-liberal Keith Olbermann as moderator.

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          • Author by jscott (May 05, 2007 6:24 pm ET)
               

            Same question to you as Kevin1007.  Do you even READ the article at the top of the page.?  MMFA has clearly demonstrated on this page, as well as a myriad of other posts, that Tweety is NOT A LIBERAL.  He has repeatedly fawned over right-wing politicians while never missing a chance to ridicule or marginalize Democratic ideas or candidates.  Last year, MMFA awarded him the coveted title MISINFORMER OF THE YEAR.  He's making a determined effort to win an UNPRECEDENTED second consecutive time.  He is a right-wing SHILL.  If you cannot or will not accept that FACT, then talking to or listening to you is a waste of time.

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            • Author by RINO Hunter (May 05, 2007 6:33 pm ET)
                 

              Ya I read it. Matthews was actually acting like an objective journalist in this debate, rather than the liberal partisan that he usually is. The fact that Media Matters gave him the 2006 Misinformer of the Year Award shows that Media Matters isn't a mainstream liberal organization but an extreme far left organization. Matthews practically endorsed Kerry in 2004, and he was an avid Democratic operative in the 70s and 80s. He likes moderate to liberal Republicans like McCain and Guliani, but he despises true conservatives. He may only be a moderate liberal rather than a far left one, but you would have to be an outright socialist to say that he's a conservative.

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              • Author by Kaleun (May 05, 2007 7:37 pm ET)
                   

                Come back when, like MMFA. you have some examples or stuff like that. Right now, you could be making it up, pulled right out of the 7th planet from the sun.

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              • Author by solon (May 06, 2007 7:03 am ET)
                   

                Hes not a liberal period. Just because thirty years ago he worked for Dems doesnt make him a liberal today. He is a moderatly conservative Dem IF he is still a dem. Any sane person would have endorsed Spongebob Squarepants if he was the guy running against the catastrophe that walks like a man named Bush. You can keep SAYING Matthews is a liberal another twenty times or so it will never magically  transform it into anything like reality.

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              • Author by mefirst (May 06, 2007 3:46 pm ET)
                   

                ronald reagan was a liberal in the late 40s and a rock hard conservative by the 60s.  don't try to compare matthews now to what he did 30 years ago.  his man crush for all things republicans is obvious.  and broder?  could this guy get more disingenuous?   he attacks reid, reid's fellow democratic senators to a person tell broder they support him, and broder acts like that letter is some big surprise.  you know what they say, mr. broder.  if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

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          • Author by solon (May 06, 2007 7:00 am ET)
               

            Liberal? Are you insane? Matthews may not be a wingnut but he  is far from liberal. Trust me no liberal alive would say that Bush shines with a kind of sunny nobility or compare him to Atticus Finch. Just because to you far rightwingnuts anyone to the left of Atilla the Hun is a liberal doesnt mean that even approaches reality.

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          • Author by jaliscodiss22460 (May 06, 2007 7:08 pm ET)
               

            How is it that KO is a "far-left" commentator?  Being critical of the Bush administration makes you a "far-leftist"?

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      • Author by jjamele2880 (May 05, 2007 2:53 pm ET)
           

        Matthews "and other liberals?" Matthews isnt a liberal, and I dont care what he was doing in politics thirty years ago.  He's a toe-sucking Conservative ass-kisser who is enamoured of "big" Republican candidates and who has nothing but loathing and snark for Democrats. As we saw in the debate, he was far more interested in being a good buddy to the GOP candidates than he was in asking them challenging questions.  That "every cab driver in America knew what Ronald Reagan stood for" was especially obnoxious- every cab driver knew what Ronald Reagan SAID he stood for, but those who were paying attention noticed that Reagan was 99% talk  and pose, 1% action.

        I wish one candidate had just refused to answer Matthews's beyond-stupid question about Bill Clinton.  That snark redefined the term "softball." 

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        • Author by RINO Hunter (May 05, 2007 6:01 pm ET)
             

          "He's a toe-sucking Conservative ass-kisser"

          Ah yes. And Fidel Castro is a sensible centrist politician as well.

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          • Author by juliajayne (May 06, 2007 4:10 pm ET)
               

            The great rino hunter suceeds in persuading only himself.

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      • Author by jscott (May 05, 2007 4:47 pm ET)
           

        Yeah, you could sure tell Tweety had a "liberal bias" in that debate, huh?  Do you even READ the articles posted here, or do you just log in, go straight to the comments, and begin verbally defecating?

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        • Author by jscott (May 05, 2007 6:26 pm ET)
             

          This post is in response to Kevin 1007 way, way back.

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      • Author by dave_chicago (May 05, 2007 5:01 pm ET)
           

        ---"...Democrats are afraid to face Brit Hume...This country can not afford to have another Bill Clinton,"---

        Still peddling the bogus "afraid to debate" meme, eh? Doesn't sell here because it's not the debate, stupid. It's Fox "News and Republican Propaganda Outlet's proven smear record towards the "Democrat Party" post- and pre-debate, of which there is overwhelming evidence on this site and elsewhere.

        Incidentally, as documented extensively above, it's the Republicans who got the softball debate questions.

        And, yeah: we sure can't afford to have a president with a 60% approval rating. Thank our lucky stars the world has the worldwide-beloved, oh-so-popular Mr. 30% "commander guy" and his cohort, Dick "25% approval--Saddam-has-reconsistuted-nuclear-weapons" Cheney.

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        • Author by Kaleun (May 05, 2007 7:40 pm ET)
             

          "30 percent"

          now 24 percent, actually ;-)

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          • Author by factsrstubborn (May 06, 2007 2:09 pm ET)
               

            Dumbya proves Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.  As you get a more accurate measure of the rate at which his popularity is falling, whoops, his popularity level is actually lower than you thought.  So now you have a more accurate fix on his popularity level and now whoops, it's declining faster than you thought!

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      • Author by captfoster2 (May 05, 2007 6:00 pm ET)
           

        Kevin,

        Do yourself a favor and read my post earlier on this thread and stop drinking all that nasty Kool-aid, you are an embarassment if you believe anything you just said in this particular post!

        Then ask yourself these two questions:

        Is or was it fair that the Dems got asked ad nausium about possible links to disgraced individuals while the Reps had no such questions asked of them at all?

        Does that come off as fair and balanced as many from Fox Noise have suggested both 'debates' were?

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      • Author by solon (May 06, 2007 6:56 am ET)
           

        The Democrats werent afraid of Fox they were tired of legitimizing an outright propaganda network. Sure the GOP could have SAID Matthews is a far left democrat but half of the country would have died laughing. Yes he worked for Tip O'Neil and Jimmy Carter 30 YEARS AGO. Back then Weinerdog was still a radical lefty. Your delusions are astonishing. The WORD is too dangerous to have anymore rightwing MORONS and LIARS in the White House. Its time for someone with better than a room temperature IQ Republican. Your Bush idolotry is pathetic and the country is not buying it anymore. Time to wake up and smell the rotting carcass the Bush administration has made of the GOP

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      • Author by Sams Computer (May 06, 2007 10:59 am ET)
           

        Kevin: How dare you get down on peoples spelling when you can't even spell "World?"

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      • Author by mefirst (May 06, 2007 4:25 pm ET)
           

        kevin says clinton was more interested in pursuing bad girls than bad guys.  actually he could do both, and bush neither.   all the bombers of the world trade center in 1993 are in jail.  9-11 report page 174:  "president clinton was deeply concerned about bin ladin."  page 100:  "in february [1995], he sent congress proposals to extend federal criminal jurisdiction , to make it easier to deport terrorists, and to act against terrorist fundraising."  page 101:  he proposed significantly larger budgets for the fbi, with much of the increase designated for counterterrorism."  and then there's bush, who told bob woodward that pre 9-11 he was "not on point" about bin ladin.

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    • Author by What Happened to Gannon (May 05, 2007 10:56 am ET)
         

      What, Did Tweety Substitute for Jeff Gannon?

      Since Jeff Gannon has been discredited, Mathews filled in to lob the softballs. I guess Tweety is providing a valuable "service" to the GOP.

       Speaking of Gannon, here's what he's been up to lately:

      "Let us pray that, on next year's National Day of Prayer, there is better attendance at the 'Bible Reading Marathon' on the West Front of the Capitol.""Organizers put out 600 folding chairs on the lawn -- the spot where presidents are inaugurated -- and set up a huge stage with powerful amplifiers.""But at 9:30 a.m. yesterday, not one of the 600 seats was occupied. By 11 a.m., as a woman read a passage from Revelations, attendance had grown -- to four people. Finally, at 1 p.m., 37 of the 600 seats were occupied, though many of those people were tourists eating lunch.""Where was everybody?""'This isn't that kind of event,' explained Jeff Gannon, spokesman for the host, the International Bible Reading Association. Gannon, actually a pseudonym for James Guckert, had earned fame in 2005 representing a conservative Web site at White House briefings until it was revealed that he posted nude pictures of himself on the Web to offer his services as a $200-an-hour gay escort."http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7050302170.html

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    • Author by lindenbully (May 05, 2007 12:12 pm ET)
         

      Evidently though, the Democartic candidates don't seem to be complaining too much. If I were them, I would be clamoring for a new debate format. Hopefully, at least one of the candidates will assign a staffer the role of in-house MMFA researcher; someone that will study the debate footage of both sides and assemble material for use on TV during future debates, interviews and other media encounters. Why should the Democrats put up with such obvious bias during the debates? They should expose and attack this hypocrisy.

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    • Author by jumboburrito (May 05, 2007 1:29 pm ET)
         

       

      Matthews:"Every cab driver in America knew what Ronald Reagan stood for: defeat communism abroad; reduce big government at home. Can you, Senator McCain, restore that kind of unity of purpose?"

      What is Matthews blabbering about? There was no "unity of purpose" during the Reagan admin about reducing big government. Actually government spending grew under Reagan, particularly for defense. What Reagan introduced was the notion that taxes did not have to be paid to fuel his spending, hence the big deficits. This fiscal irresponsiblity has been taken to new heights by Bush.  

       

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      • Author by anyfreedomleft (May 07, 2007 7:54 am ET)
           

        and that increase of military spending was exponentially increased because Reagan's people didn't do their homework ... Stockman found out AFTER REAGAN'S INCREASE that Reagan had increased the military budget that Carter had INCREASED (how's that for a far-lefty?  One who did serve in the military in a real funciton, instead of just for propaganda films ...), ergo, the military LOVED Reagan, because he gave them far, far more than they asked for ... and then already had the money spent before Reagan could have been corrected ... and yet the actual average military person got the same pay as ever ...

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    • Author by jjamele2880 (May 05, 2007 2:58 pm ET)
         

      Matthews was basically saying "everyone knows how AMAZING life was during the presidency of Ronald Reagan- he had a 110% approval rating, the unemployment rate was around zero, budgets were balanced, and the American military held sway around the world.."

      Blabbering is the right word.  I know that the debate was held in the Reagan Library, but that's no excuse for advancing the favorite myth of the GOP- that the Reagan years were years of unqualified achievement for the United States.  And what Reagan "stood for" doesnt mean a whole lot when compared to what Reagan actually ACCOMPLISHED- which was precious little.

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    • Author by jscott (May 05, 2007 4:07 pm ET)
         

      I thought it interesting that when asked about what he learned from his dealings with the A/A community in New York, the FIRST thing that comes to July-Annies mind is the reduction in crime rates.

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      • Author by jjamele2880 (May 05, 2007 4:51 pm ET)
           

        "African Americans? Oh, you must be asking  me about crime..."

        Tommy Thompson: "Relations with Israel? Oh, I take a backseat to no one in my admiration for the Jewish people and their amazing money-making skills."

         

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      • Author by jscott (May 05, 2007 5:48 pm ET)
           

        Maybe "Julie-Annie" would make more sense, given his penchant for cross-dressing.

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        • Author by conleytgwinn (May 06, 2007 6:26 pm ET)
             

          I may not have been the first, but I certainly used that construct, without objection from whoever is the holder of the copyright:

          Julie-annie

          March 5, 2007

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    • Author by RINO Hunter (May 05, 2007 5:55 pm ET)
         

      "When McCain answered that he would "need the support of the American people," Matthews declined to ask the obvious follow-up -- How are you going to get it, given that the American people want out of this war"

      So Mathews should just act like some far left bomb thrower rather than an objective moderater? Mathews is solidly liberal himself, but he's just not as far left as Media Matters wants him to be. He hasn't reached Keith Olbermann's level of far left moon battery yet.

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      • Author by dave_chicago (May 05, 2007 7:12 pm ET)
           

        ----"So Mathews should just act like some far left bomb thrower rather than an objective moderater? Mathews is solidly liberal himself..."

        About 64% of Americans are "far left bomb throwers" (your words) then, as that's how many Americans have figured out that we're in a quagmire and want out, genius.

        And, oh yeah-the guy with the softballs, Matthews, who asserts that Bush has "sunny nobility" and that Giuliani "deserves to be president", and who states that a Clinton in the White House is "something negative", is "solidly liberal". Brilliant.

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        • Author by RINO Hunter (May 05, 2007 7:59 pm ET)
             

          Try getting your information from a source other than this website. The Media Research Center exposes Matthew's liberal bias all the time, such as when he said that Bush didn't help the people in New Orleans because they were black. If you only get information from this website which has an obvious partisan agenda, you get a very distorted view of the media.

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          • Author by conleytgwinn (May 05, 2007 8:28 pm ET)
               

            You cannot deny those charges, so you are forced to attack the messenger?

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          • Author by solon (May 06, 2007 7:14 am ET)
               

            Yeah, I really loved the liberal bias of saying Bush shines with a sort of sunny nobility, or when he compared him to Atticus Finch. Just because he isnt in total conformity to rightwing propaganda doesnt make him a liberal and if you really think he is all I can say is your capacity for self delusion is astonishing.

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          • Author by dave_chicago (May 06, 2007 3:41 pm ET)
               

            "Media Research Center exposes Matthew's liberal bias all the time, such as when he said that Bush didn't help the people in New Orleans because they were black."

            I just can't imagine why I'd be suspicious of your claim above. But I was.

            And whadya know!!

            After a pretty thorough search of mrc and newsbusters (while holding my nose), and goggle, there's... surprise surprise! nothing.

            I'm bettin' that it's one of them there Right-Wing Myths.

            Like maybe it's been distorted and twisted from this: 

            Matthews turns to the crowd of largely African-American college students behind him: "Do you folks think Hurricane Katrina was handled well?" The crowd's reaction at the University is exactly as you would expect: "NOOOOOO!!!"

            "Did you notice that President Bush went to Virginia Tech almost immediately?" "YEAAHHH.""Did you notice that President Bush didn't go to New Orleans for a while?" "YEAAAHH!" 

            Hard to believe, but Matthews nor the students never say 'Bush didn't help them because they are black'. 

             

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      • Author by solon (May 06, 2007 7:12 am ET)
           

        No he isnt you are insane. Matthews is NOT a liberal and you continuing to say he is wont make him one. That question is an obvious one and not a bomb throwing question. It is legitimate. He is out of step with the American people on this subject. You know it, I know it, Matthews knows it. The question was already in the air. Matthews AVOIDED it because HE ISNT A LIBERAL.

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    • Author by DTRAIN (May 05, 2007 9:19 pm ET)
         

      "If you only get information from this website which has an obvious partisan agenda, you get a very distorted view of the media."

      As a opposed to say the "Conservative Media Watchdog Group" you cited in the same comment so inaptly named "Media Research Center", as if their glaringly obvious conservative bias could be covered up by this attempt to appear objective. Until you actually visit the website.

       

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      • Author by RINO Hunter (May 05, 2007 9:51 pm ET)
           

        I'm saying you should visit MRC, Media Matters, and a variety of others in order to try to get some kind of balance. If you only visit this web site, you get a very distorted view of the media. You only get examples of conservative bias, and no examples of liberal bias. And so of course if you use this site as your only source of info, you're going to think that the media is hard core right. Of course, the exact opposite is true, as polls show that a large majority of the American people believe that the media has a liberal bias. I come to this site to try to get some kind of balance, and you guys should visit conservative sites as well in order to try to get some kind of balance.

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        • Author by DTRAIN (May 05, 2007 10:37 pm ET)
             

          we don't need you preaching to us about visiting conservative leaning websites. Stop trying to mind-read everyone here through your computer screen. I personally visit NewsBusters, NewsMax, MRC, drudge report, etc... (even the utterly pathetic Olbermannwatch) the list could go on forever. Usually just to get a good laugh at the most recent petty "outrage" over "liberal media bias" pieces they do. You know they make some good points sometimes though... how many times have YOU said that about MMFA pieces? Thats right, zero. 

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          • Author by DTRAIN (May 05, 2007 10:43 pm ET)
               

            "Of course, the exact opposite is true, as polls show that a large majority of the American people believe that the media has a liberal bias."

            Did you pull this gem straight out of your a**, or do you have an objective source to back that up.

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            • Author by RINO Hunter (May 06, 2007 3:56 am ET)
                 

              Here you go:

              http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1262

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              • Author by DTRAIN (May 06, 2007 7:45 am ET)
                   

                why didn't you just put up your source from the beginning, nah I know you wanted to rub it in when we call you out on it. You do that all the time.

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                • Author by DTRAIN (May 06, 2007 7:54 am ET)
                     

                  lets just be straight here, 64% of less than 2000 people surveyed say that they perceive a liberal media bias. Not ALL the american people.

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                  • Author by DTRAIN (May 06, 2007 9:33 am ET)
                       

                    what i find funny is the selective acceptance of a supposed "liberal biased" zogby polls by conservative watchdog groups when it fits their agenda and opinions, specifically newsbusters. they even admitted it: "FINALLY, a zogby poll which we can actually accept". I'm sorry Rhino but your source is NOT objective as people on your side have said consistently. In other words, you can't quote a source as objective that you and people on your "side" have condemned as having a liberal bias. That in English is called talking out of both sides of your mouth.   

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                    • Author by RINO Hunter (May 06, 2007 3:39 pm ET)
                         

                      Your post makes absolutely no sense. Try writing a more coherent post and maybe it will make at least a little bit of sense next time. I have no idea what you were getting at.

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                      • Author by Brabantio (May 06, 2007 10:00 pm ET)
                           

                        I understood it.  The MRC condemns Zogby as being liberal, then cites Zogby poll when it suits their purposes.  It wasn't that difficult to comprehend, really.

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                  • Author by RINO Hunter (May 06, 2007 3:37 pm ET)
                       

                    When did I ever say that ALL of the American people perceive a liberal bias in the media?

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                    • Author by DTRAIN (May 06, 2007 5:47 pm ET)
                         

                      you didn't say ALL. Directly. You said a majority of Americans, NOT a majority of the 1800 people sampled in the survey. See the nuance? Cons like you have a hard time grasping that.

                      Coherent statement? Maybe you need reading comprehension. Let me explain this again for you. YOUR SIDE has claimed that zogby int. polls are not to be trusted because they are biased and not objective. But in this instance the poll supposedly confirms the "liberal media bias" that YOUR side cries about all the time and all of sudden zogby polls are the pinnacle of objectivity. The point is when you selectively quote the source as objective, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. That is - you are trying to have it both ways.

                      Here's the bottom line, either zogby polls are biased like your side claims so emphatically, thereby invalidating your source, OR zogby polls are objective. Which is it?

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        • Author by What Happened to Gannon (May 05, 2007 10:39 pm ET)
             

          You're here only because MMFA is slow to ban conservative trolls.

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          • Author by DTRAIN (May 05, 2007 10:46 pm ET)
               

            MMFA bans ALL trolls not just conservative ones. I have experienced this first hand. I ain't no conservative. They rarely ban anybody unless they downright unruly and vulgar. 

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        • Author by solon (May 06, 2007 7:16 am ET)
             

          The majority of people believe it because every rightwingnut on the planet SAYS it every five minutes. The charge is ludicrous on the face of it. The media does NOT have a liberal bias and never HAS had a liberal bias at least not overall. Your brainwashed take on this does not define reality.

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          • Author by achrispage6992 (May 07, 2007 1:24 pm ET)
               

            Now that is one of the funniest statements I have had the pleasure of reading in quite some time.

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            • Author by Sams Computer (May 07, 2007 2:15 pm ET)
                 

              When news is reported truthfully, Cons. label it Liberal Media Bias.

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            • Author by solon (May 07, 2007 2:42 pm ET)
                 

              Glad I could amuse. I find it amusing that factual reality is funny to some people. I am a liberal. I dont see my political leanings pushed by the media and never have. As I have often said its too simple to see the media as liberal or conservative.  The media serves power and reflects elite opinion. That usually breaks down as socially liberal and economically along with foriegn policy conservative. So each side can find examples of media bias. To just claim the media is liberal which the right DOES repeat like a magical mantra does not reflect reality.

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        • Author by NotThatGeorge (May 06, 2007 11:52 am ET)
             

          I expect you have been told this when you've had previous screen names, and probably also been told this under this screen name, but here we go again...

          Media Matters does not expose conservative bias.

          MRC "claims" to expose liberal bias.

          They are not equivalent organizations. Media Matters documents incidents of conservative misinformation. MRC "documents" commentary from liberals and then comes to the conclusion that those comments are evidence of liberal bias.

          Apples and oranges. 

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    • Author by MacCheerful (May 05, 2007 9:21 pm ET)
         

      I thought Jamison's column is excellent, but there's an additional point to be made about the Worst Debate Question Ever.  Matthews not only wasted time by asking a question to which the Republican candidates would have no interesting answer to, not only exposed his obsession with the Clinton's private life, but also managed to criticize Hillary (she's married to a dangerous bad man who might threaten the decorum of the White House) while at the same time dismissing her as a politician in her own right.  Apparently, we are to believe that Senator Clinton being elected is significant only to the extent it leads to Bill Clinton coming back to D.C.  Chris was cheesy throughout, for reasons pointed out by Jamison, but with that question, he really jumped the shark.

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    • Author by UnEasyOne (May 05, 2007 10:32 pm ET)
         

      You know, I appreciate honest debate and I don't think that conservatives necessarily wear horns and a tail.  There are honest conservatives who have valid points to make (although we may disagree with them overall) and there are intellectually bankrupt wingnuts who spout nonsense/talking points in the face of people who know better.  These ludicrous plays for attention in the face of well informed people who are simply attempts to hijack threads.  I notice they are often successful here as elsewhere.  Usually I don't respond at all to the latter type, who seem to live here.  Again, reasoned debate with people who disagree is a good thing but...

      Don't feed the trolls!

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    • Author by jerroldavis9531 (May 06, 2007 12:31 am ET)
         

      Chris Matthews has a pleasant face and a mischievous grin.  He is made for tv talking headshots.  I stopped watching him.  It's so obvious that he lies in wait for a chance to push his own biased, ill informed opinions on the watcher.  Having him host the "debate" was like watching tv wrestling.  Why does he have any credibility with viewers?  Is this country so ignorant of reality?  I am so everlastingly sick of tv "news" hosts (except for Keith Oberman, whom I love, admire, and respect) - and of course John Stewart.  As for the rest of them, they are all looking out for themselves and will sing whatever song they need to sing in order to get paid.  Please, don't give these fake news "events" the time of day.  Haven't we given the Republicans seven years and billions of dollars and countless precious human lives?  And for what?  So arrogant know nothings like Chris Matthews can continue to play like he "knows" the scoop and has a view that really matters.  For the first four years of the Bush fiasco, he pushed constantly at the Democrats, endlessly sniping at Hillary Clinton, and it wasn't until Bush's numbers began to drop that he took up the pretense of being "objective" and offering some criticism of failed Republican policies like the fiasco in Iraq.  Please stop watching this fake.  At one time, he might have had some insight, but now, he's no better than his counterparts on Fox.

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      • Author by mary59 (May 06, 2007 4:37 pm ET)
           

        I agree.  Matthews has a fixation with his own personality, not a liberal OR conservative bias, in my opinion.  But he has acted like a shill for the republicans at times, maybe because he buys into the strange pseudo-macho mentality they project.

         

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    • Author by right-winger (May 06, 2007 4:53 am ET)
         

      NOT SURPRISE CHRIS LOVES THE RNC AND YOU KNEW HE WAS GOING TO GIVE THEM SOFT QUESTIONS AND BEAT UP ON THE DEMS.WILLIAMS SHOULD HAVE DID BOTH OF THE DEBATES.

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    • Author by BLR (May 07, 2007 1:08 pm ET)
         

      Two things primarily struck me when I eagerly tuned in to the Republican debate (and I do mean eagerly - I apologized to everyone in the room ahead of time and camped the remote until it was over):

      - I was looking at a stage of middle aged to older white men, and for some reason this absolutely shocked me.  I had thought we were at a point in American history where both of the Big Two parties would be admitting women and minorities into its upper eschelon.

      - There are presidential candidates in the Republican party who publicly admit to not believing in Evolution.  This scares the bejeezus out of me - not that they think Evolution is a tool of the divine, but that it just doesn't exist.

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    • Author by tweakthetroll (May 07, 2007 1:36 pm ET)
         

      You mean what are you going to do with the extra money coming in when you cut taxes? Everyone know tax cuts increase revenue for crap sakes. The world is to dangerous for a Democrat President. The candidates cant even face Brit Hume or Fox for that matter. Repeat.

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      • Author by solon (May 07, 2007 2:51 pm ET)
           

        No everyone doesnt know that. Its another magical mantra rightwingers like to repeat despite the absurdity of the claim. Tax revenues DROPPED the first two years after Reagans tax cuts. The economy grows so tax revenues raise eventually no matter what but its about like saying YOUR income will go up if you get a wage cut. Certainly Makiw the head of BUSH'S council of economic advisors doesnt think so

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/14/AR2006051400806.html

        choose N. Gregory Mankiw of Harvard, a proponent of tax cuts who chaired the Council of Economic Advisers in the Bush White House. Mankiw is a top-notch economist hired by Bush and Cheney to advise them. And last year he published a paper on how far tax cuts pay for themselves, reporting enthusiastically that this self-financing effect is "surprisingly large."

        How large, exactly? Mankiw reckons that over the long run (the long run being generous to his argument), cuts on capital taxes generate enough extra growth to pay for half of the lost revenue. Hello, Mr. President, that means that the other half of the lost revenue translates into bigger deficits. Mankiw also calculates that the comparable figure for cuts in taxes on wages is 17 percent. Yes, Mr. President, that means every $1 trillion in tax cuts is going to add $830 billion to the national debt.

        The world is too dangerous for another moron conservative. Just because brainwashed simpleminded people buy into the propaganda does not make it reality.

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    • Author by tweakthetroll (May 07, 2007 1:42 pm ET)
         

      BLR...you scare way to easily...what is with all of you Democrats that are scared all of the time. Scared of everything. No wonder the al-Quida considers themselves brave.

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      • Author by solon (May 07, 2007 2:52 pm ET)
           

        Says another rightwing bedwetter. The problem with conservatives likey you is you are so darn ignorant.

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      • Author by BLR (May 07, 2007 3:35 pm ET)
           

        I've seen what one troglodyte in power for six years does to this country - the prospect of it continuing for another eight is unfathomable.  I don't scare easily - I'm not afraid of gays ruining my marriage, I'm not afraid of an immigrant or minority stealing my job, I'm not afraid of Christianity becoming illegal, I'm not afraid of being attacked by terrorists, I'm not afraid of communism, but I do fear for the future of our nation in the hands of irresponsible, reckless, immature, war-mongering, ignorant Republicans.

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