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"Media Matters"; by Jamison Foser

May 18, 2007 6:00 pm ET

Lawlessness ... and fecklessness

Yesterday, Salon.com's Glenn Greenwald wrote:

The Washington Post Editorial page has been one of the most establishment-defending organs over the last six years, repeatedly minimizing or dismissing criticisms of the Bush administration and reserving its vigor primarily for attacking Bush critics (and for supporting the Iraq war). That's what makes its Editorial this morning regarding James Comey's testimony -- entitled "The Gonzales Coverup" -- so striking, and potentially indicative of a compelled acknowledgement by the Beltway class of how serious the NSA [National Security Agency] scandal is and how serious it has been all along.

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[Washington Post editorial page editor Fred] Hiatt-like protests are welcome (even if inexcusably belated), but they must be accompanied by genuine and relentless demands for follow-up and accountability otherwise they will amount to nothing more than inconsequential rhetoric. The Attorney General lied continuously, and the administration concealed pervasive criminality at the highest levels of our government. Even Fred Hiatt says so. So now what?

As we have long noted, it is the "So now what?" that is the problem.

For all the cheerleading the Post's editorial page has done for various Bush administration blunders, it has also denounced -- in sometimes blistering and blunt language -- the administration's lawlessness.

Lawlessness: that's how the Post editorial board described the Bush administration in Wednesday's editorial about Comey's testimony -- "Bush administration lawlessness so shocking it would have been unbelievable coming from a less reputable source."

And that's the way the Post has described the Bush administration several times in the past.

  • On March 11, the paper described as a "lawless practice" the FBI's use of "exigent letters" to assure telephone companies that federal investigators needed access of phone records due to "an emergency situation and that subpoenas or national security letters would follow," though the "exigent letters" were in fact often used when there was no urgency and no subpoenas followed.
  • On September 7, 2006, the Post ran an editorial headlined "Ending the Lawlessness; President Bush wants congressional action on detainees. That's good -- as long as he doesn't get the bill he wants."
  • On June 20, 2006, the Post editorialized that, despite passage of "the McCain amendment, which prohibits 'cruel, inhuman, or degrading' treatment of all prisoners in U.S. custody ... the administration has not accepted that ban as the last word. It still has not renounced the right to subject some detainees to practices such as 'waterboarding,' or simulated drowning, even though they violate the law. It has yet to adopt clear standards governing the interrogation and treatment of foreign prisoners, or return to full compliance with such treaties as the Geneva Conventions and the Convention Against Torture. Until this situation changes, there will be more of the lawlessness and simple confusion that have led to hundreds of cases of abuse, and dozens of homicides, in Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere."
  • On June 18, 2006, a Post editorial declared "the Bush administration's lawless practices have so discredited it that it has lost support even for legitimate anti-terrorist measures."
  • On March 23, 2006, a Post editorial described the Bush administration's efforts to implement an EPA policy that the District of Columbia Circuit Court had "already rejected" as "simply lawless."
  • On December 16, 2005, the Post wrote "Thanks to a belated White House retreat, Congress is on the verge of taking an important step toward curtailing the systematic human rights violations committed by the Bush administration in its handling of foreign prisoners. President Bush said yesterday that he would agree to an amendment by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) prohibiting "cruel, inhuman, or degrading" treatment of all prisoners held by the United States. [...] Whether Mr. Bush will heed the message, or the new legal standard, unfortunately remains an open question. [...] [P]assage of Mr. McCain's amendment will not end waterboarding or curtail the administration's policy of abuse unless there is aggressive follow-up by Congress. There must be an independent check on the administration's legal interpretations. [...] In short, restoring the rule of law over an administration that deliberately chose lawlessness in its treatment of detainees may be an arduous process."
  • A November 3, 2005, Post editorial denounced "the discredit the United States has earned for its lawless treatment of foreign prisoners" and noted "President Bush has authorized interrogators to subject these men to 'cruel, inhuman and degrading' treatment that is illegal in the United States and that is banned by a treaty ratified by the Senate. The governments that allow the CIA prisons on their territory violate this international law, if not their own laws. This shameful situation is the direct result of Mr. Bush's decision in February 2002 to set aside the Geneva Conventions as well as standing U.S. regulations for the handling of detainees."
  • On July 3, 2005, the Post editorialized that the Bush administration's seizure and torture of a "radical Egyptian cleric" constituted "lawless behavior."

Washington Post columnists have also described the administration as "lawless" several times. David Ignatius, for example, described the NSA's wiretapping operation as a "lawless approach" in a December 28, 2005, column that was largely supportive of the program. And David Broder memorably described Bush as "lawless and reckless" in a September 21, 2006, column that noted Bush "started a war he cannot finish, drove the government into debt and repeatedly defied the Constitution."

The editorial board of The Washington Post has been moved to describe the Bush administration as "lawless" at least nine times. Its columnists have done likewise, and its reporters have detailed some of that lawlessness.

But does The Washington Post actually care that the executive branch has engaged in years of lawlessness -- and lawlessness about important things like torture and spying on Americans?

It is difficult to conclude that the Post does care. Individual reporters may, of course, but institutionally, the Post seems content to occasionally note the administration's lawlessness and stonewalling, then move on.

The Post editorial board's reluctance to deal with the questions raised by its own statements -- what should the nation do about the president's lawlessness? -- and apparent lack of long-term (or even medium-term) memory are particularly breathtaking.

Most people, after concluding for the ninth time, that the executive branch is behaving in a "lawless" way, would begin to wonder what steps -- special counsel? congressional censure? impeachment hearings for Gonzales? for Bush? -- could be taken to force the administration to begin obeying the law.

Most people, after noting again and again and again that the administration is stonewalling and covering up legitimate inquiries into its actions, would realize that expecting the administration to be forthcoming is a fool's errand, and would begin searching for ways to compel the disclosure that isn't coming voluntarily.

But not the Washington Post editorial board. The Washington Post editorial board steadfastly refuses to call for so much as a special counsel to investigate what it describes as lawlessness. (The newspaper, as we have often noted, called for such an investigation of President and Mrs. Clinton when there was, in the Post's words, "no credible charge" that they had done anything wrong.)

To be sure, the Post stamps its feet and shakes its fist with the best of them. And when it is done, rather than keeping the pressure on; rather than using its influence to press for an investigation that might actually yield the answers -- and changes in behavior -- the Post claims to seek, the paper simply moves on. And a few months later, some other situation pops up that causes the Post editorial writers to sternly denounce the cover-ups and lawlessness. (See here and here for our previous explanations of this pattern.)

Not that the Post's editorial board is alone in failing to devote sufficient attention to the administration's lawlessness. The paper's reporters and editors have some soul-searching to do as well.

Roughly a month after the initial disclosure of the Bush administration's domestic spying operation, we examined the enormous disparity between the resources the Post and The New York Times had apparently devoted to the spying story and the resources they dedicated to the Monica Lewinsky story in 1998:

All told, on January 22, 1998 [the day after the first Lewinsky story in the Post], the Times and the Post ran 19 articles (five on the front page) dealing with the Clinton investigation, totaling more than 20,000 words and reflecting the words of at least 28 reporters -- plus the editorial boards of both newspapers.

In contrast, on December 17 [the day after initial disclosure of the spying operation], the Times and the Post combined to run five articles about the NSA spying operation, involving 12 reporters and consisting of 6,303 words.

On February 25, 1998, 35 days after the story first broke, the Post ran four articles and an editorial about the Clinton investigation, totaling 5,046 words, involving 11 reporters, and the paper's editorial board. The Times ran four articles, two opinion columns, and an editorial -- seven pieces in all, totaling 5,852 words and involving at least six reporters and columnists, in addition to its editorial board. The papers combined for 12 articles, columns, and editorials, involving 17 reporters and columnists, as well as both editorial boards.

On January 20, 35 days after the NSA story first broke, the Times ran one 1,324-word article about the NSA operation written by two reporters. The Post ran one 945-word article written by one reporter. Combined: two articles, three reporters, 2,269 words.

We could go on and on with comparisons like these, and bring in other news organizations, but it should be clear by now that the nation's leading news organizations haven't given the NSA spying story anywhere near the coverage they gave the Clinton-Lewinsky matter. And, based on available evidence, they haven't dedicated nearly the resources to pursuing the NSA story that they dedicated to the Lewinsky story.

So, some questions for the Times, and the Post, and ABC, and CBS, and NBC, and CNN, and Time, and Newsweek, and other leading news organizations:

1) How many reporters, editors, and researchers did you assign to the Lewinsky story when it broke? How many remained assigned to that story one month later?

2) How many reporters, editors, and researchers did you assign to the NSA story when it broke? How many remained assigned to that story one month later?

3) How do you explain the disparity?

We never got formal responses to those questions, but the answers were obvious. Despite concluding that the Bush administration spent years engaging in lawless activities aimed at the American people, the nation's news media have dedicated significantly less resources to pursuing the story than they did the Lewinsky matter. Probably less than they devoted to the OJ Simpson trial, for that matter.

It's simple, really: A news organization that believes the president is acting in a "lawless" way in ordering things like torture and "systematic human rights violations" and spying on Americans but does not dedicate overwhelming resources to pursuing every possible aspect of the story is failing its readers, and failing its profession.

But at least the Post has covered James Comey's testimony. ABC and CBS just can't be bothered to do so. (CBS did manage to find time to report that the soon-to-be-published private diaries of Ronald Reagan show that he "did not want war with the Soviet Union," and that he "adored" his wife, but "hate[d] Mondays.")

And none of the three broadcast networks quoted President Bush's refusal to answer a question about whether he sent Andy Card and Alberto Gonzales on a possibly illegal and certainly inappropriate trip to John Ashcroft's hospital room. Nor did The Washington Post (though the paper mentioned it in an editorial) or USA Today or the Chicago Tribune or the Los Angeles Times or countless other news organizations.

Journalism may be the first draft of history, but that does not mean its practitioners are immune from history's judgment. Those who fail to do everything they can to educate the public about presidential lawlessness relating to torture and domestic spying will find that judgment can be harsh.

But can we wait that long? Or will it then be too late to undo the damage done by a lawless and torture-happy administration (inadvertently aided and abetted by an insufficiently vigorous press corps) to the ideals and values that distinguish us from the enemy we claim to oppose?

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    • Author by jscott (May 18, 2007 6:24 pm ET)
         

      Well, they can't just go around behaving in a way that indictes a "liberal bias" now can they?

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    • Author by UnEasyOne (May 18, 2007 6:42 pm ET)
         

      Okay, it's time to stop calling for Gonzalez' resignation and begin impeachment proceedings.  We have the smoking gun for perjury - the claim under oath that there was no dissent involving that spying program - not that there isn't plenty else to impeach him for.

      As far as WAPO is concerned, they have fallen far from the glory days when their lead in the Watergate story brought down the prevously most corrupt and undemocratic administration in American history.

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (May 18, 2007 6:45 pm ET)
         

      Either word could work JS it depends. For myself house .gov is supposed to get you to the House web site. Gonna find the Judiciary comitee and send off a few missives. Impeachment proceedings are, I think, in order.

       As usual, an excellent article Mr. Foser.

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    • Author by draftedin68 (May 18, 2007 7:57 pm ET)
         

      Gimme a B,  Gimme a J...

      That's what'll bring the MSM out of their self-inflicted stupor - a good BJ story.

      Otherwise, it's back to covering the jailbird Ms. Hilton, Gore's waistline, Edwards' hair-doos and by all means, their naps.

       

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (May 20, 2007 3:11 am ET)
           

        The problem is, although the BJs are even more numerous in this White House, apparently all the performers are male, and paid for the service? [see Gannon/Guckert press pass, 190+ visits to Rove's office]

        Although, why that should stop those enterprising scandal-hounds at WaPo remains a mystery to me.

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    • Author by proudconservative (May 18, 2007 10:21 pm ET)
         

      I think what we have here is the 12 millioneth opportunity to bring down the Bush Administration.  Let's pray that this time something sticks, whether real or not.  If it doesn't work, can we connect Rove to that little ole 9/11 thing? emails of him telling construction workers on the twin towers where exactly to put the explosives?  Or maybe how he killed Anna Nicole Smith?  Or that he's behind the Roswell alien coverup?  C'mon guys, keep pluggin away, maybe 12million and one tries will do it!

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      • Author by solon (May 18, 2007 10:51 pm ET)
           

        Are you pretending this DIDNT happen or are you snivelling that we are telling vicious truths about Chimpy McShortbus? WWAHHHH stop telling us all the venal things this administration does. WWAAAHHHHH, it bothers my Bush idolotry. WAAAHHHHH.  This lameduck administration doesnt need brought down though I would prefer impeachment and a good frogmarching to the Hague to stand trail. If the Nuremberg laws were applied he would be hung. History will judge Bush as one of the worst presidents in history IF he is lucky and just as likely THE worst president in American history. People like you will be the punchline of histories joke. Bush idolotors that continued to attest to his divinity long after his lying, incompetence, and overall unsuitability to run a Burger King much less the country was apparant to all but the most ideologically blind and brainwashed.

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        • Author by kevin1007 (May 19, 2007 12:31 pm ET)
             

          Solon:

          Have you considered joining the government of Hugo Chavez? I think you would fit in well there.

          If Bill Clinton could not be convicted by the Senate for crimes he committed, George Bush certainly cannot be removed from office over what are essentially political disagreements.

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          • Author by captfoster2 (May 19, 2007 3:01 pm ET)
               

            Kevin,

            You said

            "If Bill Clinton could not be convicted by the Senate for crimes he committed, George Bush certainly cannot be removed from office over what are essentially political disagreements."

             

            I won't deny that Clinton lied about more than sex with AN ADULT but for all the faults of Clinton during his time does he or any of his staff come anywhere close to the total disregard for the Rule of Law!

            For you to bring up Clinton makes me realize that if the Repubs can attempt (and almost get away with it) to impeach Clinton for lying about getting some from an intern the Dems certainly CAN AND SHOULD impeach (and likely have the majority of the country behind it, something the Repubs didn't have back then) Bush and Cheney!

            After that, for America to save itself from idealogs like this latest group or any others (from either side of the aisle) we should hand them over to the international community and let them deal with them too!

            We can then begin to apologize to the world for our backwards foreign policies over the last 60 years that have created this disaster that peaked on 9/11 and has since been made worse by the Bush regime's inability to admit ANY mistakes and the fact that they invaded a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11!

            Please read carefully what I have written here!

            I am not blaming everything on Bush/Cheney alone, but every administration over the last 60 years. This latest admin has taken what they called 'past mistakes' by past admins and have made them worse not better while claiming to make 'change'!

            All they have done is take the same mistakes, renamed them and ran them with new faces but the end result this time is that our 'new' enemy can actually get weapons that can really f**k thing up all over and just because we are here in America doesn't mean you'd be safe even if all the initial damage was done over there.

            If we want to be seen as the beacon of light to justice, liberty, and the rule of law then we need to not do that just here at home but with all foreign powers! That means not torturing our enemies as this makes us no better than them then, right?

            The history of the Muslim world is violent but so is the Christian one and when our supposed leaders try to dehumanize Iraqi's, Russians, Japanese, Vietnamese, etc and then drop 500 lbs bombs in civilian neighborhoods the leaders of the other side begin to do the same! They call that learning by example!

            Those of you (Kevin) and those that think like you need to look into a mirror and try to put yourselves in the shoes of our so-called enemy! Perhaps then you might begin to become human again!

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          • Author by solon (May 19, 2007 3:38 pm ET)
               

            Kevin have you considered moving to Guatemala? Your black fascist heart would fit right in there and I hear they are quite tolerant of ignorance even of YOUR magnitude

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        • Author by RINO Hunter (May 20, 2007 3:40 pm ET)
             

          The only "crime" that Bush has committed is the fact that he has attempted to protect our country against radical Muslims who seek to kill us. Liberals want to impeach him for fighting the War on Terror and attempting to protect us from evil, while at the same time denying "civil rights" to terrorists. His aggressive agenda doesn't fit with the liberal agenda of weakness and surrender.

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          • Author by chimpevil (May 20, 2007 9:20 pm ET)
               

            Don't worry lil rino dung, Big Daddy W'll be along any minute to tuck you in.  And don't forget to say your prayers lil sniveling freak, otherwise osama bin boogieman might attack you from under your bed during the night! 

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      • Author by starwheel (May 18, 2007 10:55 pm ET)
           

        Isn't letting Rove do the hip-hop enough?

         

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      • Author by starwheel (May 18, 2007 11:09 pm ET)
           

        What would it take for a "ProudConservative" to consider him worthy of impeachment?

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        • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (May 19, 2007 12:56 am ET)
             

          Well, since Proudcon admits to 12 million reasons why BushCo should have been dismantled, I'm assuming it realizes that they are only surviving by the remaining suppporters and a complicit media.

          So, what would it take? What does it take for a religious zealot to start critically thinking about their leaders? Usually something drastic and personal. 

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          • Author by proudconservative (May 19, 2007 9:05 pm ET)
               

            How about 12 million attempts WITHOUT CAUSE having prevented his impeachment?  And the media? Duplicite?  Get real! Maybe he's done things you don't like, that doesn't make them illegal. 

            I despise the immigration bill, it's fraught with serious problems.  I don't like it, but moving this forward is not illegal.

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            • Author by Kaleun (May 19, 2007 11:34 pm ET)
                 

              Just because you like Bush doesn't make what he likes legal.

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            • Author by Kaleun (May 19, 2007 11:34 pm ET)
                 

              Just because you like Bush doesn't make what he does legal.

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              • Author by conleytgwinn (May 20, 2007 3:16 am ET)
                   

                Either works, especially since he does as he likes.

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        • Author by kevin1007 (May 19, 2007 12:34 pm ET)
             

          How about perjury and obstruction of justice? Wait, that didn't work with the last guy.

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          • Author by solon (May 19, 2007 3:41 pm ET)
               

            Because there was no perjury and no finding of obstruction of justice? Perjury would require any lie told to be material to the case. Did any judge find that to be the case? No? You are obsessed with Clinton. I understand it just boggles your mind that a Democrat was popular and competent and your beloved idol Bush is neither. Clinton is not president. He hasnt been for six years your knee jerk reaction to bring him up everytime anything is discussed is pathological. Seek professional help

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            • Author by RINO Hunter (May 20, 2007 3:36 pm ET)
                 

              "Seek professional help"

              Have you ever even written one post without using a personal attack? Your hatred is evident and you lose the argument every single time, so you have to resort to using personal attacks. It really is quite juvenile that you can't even have a honest debate on the issues without disparaging others.

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              • Author by conleytgwinn (May 20, 2007 4:40 pm ET)
                   

                Darn it! I musta slept through another season finale - the one where Solon lost an argument? As to personal attacks, given the deficiencies of some of our esteemed conservative posters, it is indeed difficult to refrain from occasional exposition of those deficiencies. Oh, by the way - did you refute - even address - the point of the post you critique?

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          • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (May 19, 2007 7:19 pm ET)
               

            Dang, Kevin, your Clinton reflex is pretty hair-trigger. I think the question was about what it would take for you to decide Bush was ripe for impeachment.I don't know if you have info on perjury and obstructionof justice charges against Bush, as you implied, but if you do, make sure they're valid,.

            Here's  what happened the last time a political party forced through impeachment proceedings with a partisan majority.They tried it with statements that were not relevant to the case.

            Lots of info available on this event, read up.

             

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        • Author by proudconservative (May 19, 2007 8:17 pm ET)
             

          Maybe if Condi Rice, at GW's request, removed important documents form the national archives before Bush had to testify before the 9-11 comisssion and then say something like, "That darn Condi, she's so messy!".  Or if he helped her buy extra-large sweatpants and socks before stuffing and then loosing those documents.

          That's when I'll support his impeachment.

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          • Author by hotnuke (May 20, 2007 1:56 am ET)
               

            Yeah, forget the FACT he lied through his teeth to invade a sovereign nation, which has at the moment resulted in the deaths DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY of nearly three quarters of a million Iraqis, and more than 3,000 American soldiers, not to mention the likely HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS MORE WOUNDED IRAQIS, and at MINIMUM TENS OF THOUSANDS OF WOUNDED AMERICAN SOLDIERS.

            Forget the FACT that he ordered and approved UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND ILLEGAL Warrantless wiretaps in violation of laws on the books.

            Forget the FACT his administration has shredded our nation's Constitution at every opportunity, such as ordering and approving illegal and heinous renditions and torture of dozens if not hundreds of people, arrests and incarceration of UNITED STATES CITIZENS and NON-CITIZENS without any access to a lawyer or due process, in complete violation of the Geneva Conventions (that our nation is a signatory of), and our CONSTITUTION.

            Forget the FACT that he sent then White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card to a hospital to try and strongarm the SEVERELY ILL Attorney General John Ashcroft (who wasn't even the ACTING Attorney General because of his illness, Comey was) into signing a statement he'd ALREADY PREVIOUSLY REJECTED, and the ACTING Attorney General Comey had refused to sign, as to the legality of that CLEARLY ILLEGAL PROGRAM; which is in itself a violation of law since you can't EVER discuss such things IN A PUBLIC HOSPITAL.

            Forget the FACT he KNOWINGLY made a false statement about Saddam Hussein trying to obtain yellowcake in his State of the Union address a few years back.

            Forget the FACT he and Cheney then went on a rampage after Joe Wilson exposed this lie, and OUTED JOE WILSON'S WIFE, VALERIE PLAME, AN UNDERCOVER CIA OPERATIVE, which in and of itself is TREASON (hell, his own father said so when he wrote the law making it illegal). 

            Forget the FACT he's appointed brain-dead morons to key posts in our government, such as "BROWNIE", which has resulted in DEVASTATING and HORRENDOUS tragedies in the wake of such natural disasters as Hurricane Katrina, including the loss of lives.

            Forget the FACT that he, Cheney, Rove and Gonzales set out to influence elections and destroy our nation's justice system by firing Federal Attorneys simply because they were doing their job, and either prosecuting GUILTY Repuglikkkunt scum like Cunningham, or WEREN'T pursuing pathetic allegations of voter fraud that had NO MERIT, or at the VERY LEAST, had INSUFFICIENT evidence to support a prosecution, then made up a story of firing these attorneys for "PERFORMANCE" reasons to cover up their heinous actions. 

            Forget the FACT he's stolen two presidential elections, the first by having his Conservative, Right-Wing, Neo-Fascist buddies on the Supreme Court appoint him president, and the second by having his Conservative, Right-Wing, Neo-Fascist buddies at Diebold RIG their machines to give him millions of stolen votes.

            And most of all, forget the FACT he, Cheney, Rove, and his entire administration were behind the attacks on 9-11.

            Yes, forget all of that. ONLY if some hypothesized scenario takes place (that is nothing more than a lame attempt to smear Sandy Berger and President Clinton) should we ever impeach the TRAITOR-IN-CHIEF Bush.

            Scum like you make me want to puke. Every single person in this nation who is like you should be rounded up, tried, convicted, mercilessly tortured to give them an idea of how it feels, and then shot in the head for their TREASON.

            You're just lucky you're able to hide behind your computer spouting your drivel and lame idiocy, or you MIGHT find that sentence being carried out sooner rather than later. 

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            • Author by jscott (May 20, 2007 4:06 am ET)
                 

              Hotnuke, crackin hard on the boy.  Go easy on the child, I just smacked him down on Friday's Savage/La Raza/KKK comment board.  He hasn't even read it yet.

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            • Author by proudconservative (May 20, 2007 10:34 pm ET)
                 

              Hot Nuke,                                                                               Please take a deep breath and let me help you.  I'll do this in two segements responding to each of your charges.

              1st, GW never lied about the intell on Iraq and WMD.  Remember most of the free world was surprised by his progess on the nuclear weapons prior to the first Iraq war as reported by NTI, http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iraq/Nuclear/index.html a website created by Ted Turner, no friend of Bush.  It would have been foolish to belief he had no interest in restocking between the wars. Look a listing of democrats and their statements as they looked at the same intell that Tenet supplied to the president on the run up to this war.  http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp                         As far as 'illegal wiretaps' lets look at the statute: Under Section 4 of USSID 18, communications which are known to be to or from US persons can be intentionally intercepted without: (a) the approval of the FISA court…; OR (b) the approval of the Attorney General of the United States with respect to "communications to or from PERSONS outside the United States...international communications" and other categories of communications including for the purpose of collecting "significant foreign intelligence information." USSID 18 goes on to allow NSA to gather intelligence about a U.S. person outside the United States even without Attorney General sanction in emergencies "when securing the approval of the Attorney General is not practical because...the time required to obtain such approval would result in the loss of significant foreign intelligence and would cause substantial harm to national security.”  Regarding torture, lets just look at Gitmo:  http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050714-121552-8634r.htm   If wearing a bra on your head compares with the lovely beheadings by your good friends in Al Quiada.... So have charges been pressed or is it just one more of the 12 million attempts, prayerful at that, by the left?  By way, Mr. Ashcroft thanks you for your continuing kindness regarding his hospital stay.  Even though he was probably the reincarnation of Beelzebub himself according to you guys prior to and after this event, the feeling of love and support for him in his time of need is truely touching.  As for the 'strongarmed' tactics....I'm no fan of Gonzales but evidently the changes in the NSA program requested by Justice were made to the program. can we join together in offering kudo's to John Ashcroft?                     The issue of the yellow cake was made clear by Tenet, it should not have been there but not because of what Wilson did or didn't say(remember the Washington Post called him a fraud and a liar) but that only the foreign intelligence that agreed with this was the British.  http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec04/yellowcake_7-20.html                                             Remember, Scotter Libby was not charged with outing Valarie Plame, that was Richard Armitage.  And did Fitzgerald know that even before the investigation was underway?  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14723718/                                   So Sorry Hot Nuke, but Katrina was a natural disaster.  The problems with FEMA points out the problems with hiring people as a political perk.  The best response was from private or religious agencies and not the government.  The national guard could not act on its own and the president responded when the governor requested it.  This was a failure of local gov't to properly evacuate, the levee boards to maintain the dike systems(alot of graft there over the years) and the state and federal to properly use response resources.  check out the differences in recovery to Miss.  Even if the president supported a boob in FEMA, nothing impeach worthy here.

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              • Author by proudconservative (May 20, 2007 10:37 pm ET)
                   

                Nuking part deux:                                                                        The president has the right to keep and fire his employees at his discretion and people working at Justice are HIS employees.  Remember Clinton fired them all, without a problem because it was within his right, just like GW.  Sorry, missed again.                          I know the truth hurts, but no elections were stolen.  http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html  The only ones who had their votes challenged were those in the military by...guess who??  Democrat efforts to discard overseas military ballots defeated. Also on Monday, a federal appeals court judge in Atlanta as well as the Florida Supreme Court denied three Democrat supporter law suits seeking to eliminate enough absentee ballots to give the state election to the Gore campaign. The Atlanta case involved 2,400 overseas ballots mailed before Election Day but arriving in the ten-day window after the election established by state policy. The other two cases were the Seminole and Martin county cases that involved 25,000 application envelopes but not ballots themselves. A related case, Bay County, is still up for appeal to t he state Supreme Court. In a related matter, Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) has blocked passage of a bill authorizing polling places on domestic military installations. The move kills the House-passed measure in the Senate, preventing a vote before the end of the current lame duck session.                       Up to this point Hot Nuke, at least you were interesting but the triumverate knew about 9-11 beforehand?  Please, take your medication on that one.                                                             As far as Sandy Berger being besmurched by my comments..Did he or did he not stuff national security documents in his pants and socks?  http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/20/berger.probe/  Berger smears himself, not me.  Sorry to offend your delicate sensitivities by describing Sec Rice as purchasing sweatpants for the deed.  I realize now that for a true comparison I needed to remember that Berger is, opps was, an attorney.  He probably had a $3000.00 suit on when he checked the expansive qualities of his imported clothing.                                                                                 And finally, your kind and considerate words toward me clearly demonstrates the true values you have about our freedoms to speak and disagree.  Your ability to reason with passion without emotional disintegration demonstrates the depth of your arguments and ability to withstand the test of debate. Kudos to you Hot Nuke (and John Ashcroft, too).                                                             I attempted to use only obvious right wing sources for my references.  Now take another deep breath and enjoy the day!  X's & O's

                 

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                • Author by conleytgwinn (May 21, 2007 12:06 am ET)
                     

                  You have every right to be proud: you are the second-leading liar in the hemisphere, trailing only the collective effort of the Bungle/Repugnant/Corporate Media Oligopoly - as an individual, even with cribbing from the talking points of that axis of liars, your output is superlative!

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    • Author by a_r_k (May 18, 2007 10:48 pm ET)
         

      Hear, hear, Mr. Foser.

      There is no question that the time has certainly come to skim the scum floating at the top of the beltway's pond.  It is inconceivable that there are still any Republican federal officeholders supporting Alberto Gonzales, and Andrew Card.  the import of James Comey's testimony has not yet bubbled into most Americans' consciousness.Corporate media conglomerates bear a great deal of blame for it, but the Corporate Boards of these corporations cannot be at ease with this latest revelation, given its evil and criminality, as well as its source, who is one of their own.

      Gonzales and Card should not be facing impeachment, they should be staring squarely at multi-count felony indictments for this.  The White House Head Counsel and Chief of Staff conspired to subvert  the American Constitutional Government by ignoring the Department of Justice's determination that their program of secretly spying of American citizens was an unlawful act; a determination which carried the full force of The United States' Highest Legal Officer's imprimatur, the Attorney General. Comey was in fact as well as law, the Attorney General at that time.  Adding to the seriousness of these subversive crimes against the American Government,  the tactic chosen to achieve this ignoble act was profusely cowardly, and virulently dissolute.

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    • Author by starwheel (May 18, 2007 11:06 pm ET)
         

      The fallacy of your logic, Jamison, is that you are viewing "lawlessness" as a bad thing. To put it in Bush's terms, you are looking at this as a "half glass full".

      You see, we need the President's to ignore the law in order to "feel safe" because the President is interested in "protecting the American people" from the terrorists who "hate us for our freedoms". That's why he needs to spy on us without warrants and circumvent the Deputy AG by sending Fredo to the AG's hospital bed.

      Give the "Commander Guy" a break. He maybe lawless but you can sure as hell bet he can't even do that right either.

       

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    • Author by Timmee (May 18, 2007 11:56 pm ET)
         

      The only way to start trying to right Bush and co's many wrongs is too impeach him.

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    • Author by Kaleun (May 19, 2007 12:15 pm ET)
         

      Is it ironic to anyone else that Ahscroft resigned over that whole thing. I mean, here's the guy who for quite a while seemed to represent big brother, at least to liberals. And then he looks good compared to Card and Gonzales! Holy f***ing sh*t!

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    • Author by NotThatGeorge (May 19, 2007 2:33 pm ET)
         

      I predict a column by Media Matters about Glenn Beck on Monday.

      He confronted the Texas prosecutor who tried and convicted the two Texas border guards for that bad shooting.

      Beck's comments including calling the crimes of the guards "alleged", even though they already were convicted. He ignored the fact that the judge, a skilled arbiter of our laws, made rulings, and acted as though indiscriminate biases were allowed to go unchallenged against the border guards. He failed to acknowledge when the prosecutor denied Beck's assertion that the border guards had something to fear. Several previous shootings had happened without border guards being found criminally liable, so those border guards, if they hadn't done anything wrong, would not have been prejudiced against and found guilty despite the evidence!

      Beck ignored what the prosecutor said, over and over again. Who cares about the facts? Not Glenn Beck!

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    • Author by mary59 (May 19, 2007 2:49 pm ET)
         

      It is a fact that whatever the print and tv media emphasize will be what many think is important.  The Washington Post emphasized the watergate story over and over, taking great risks to do it, because our democracy was being threatened by the subversive efforts of the Nixon administration.  It took awhile for the other papers, tv and the public to catch on.  But they kept at the story...

       Now we need the bloggers and web sites such as Media Matters to carry that torch because the Washington Post, the Times, and the networks are not doing their jobs.  What is just trivia, and what is really important to the evolution of our nation?  That is what each citizen should be asking. 

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    • Author by eniobob2631 (May 19, 2007 5:12 pm ET)
         

      It makes you wonder how much manure do the people in this country need in their faces to say '' man this stuff stinks"

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    • Author by conleytgwinn (May 20, 2007 3:27 am ET)
         

      MMFA / Mr. Foser: Well-reasoned commentary, complemented by the profusion of exquisitely relevant links: too bad you lack the reach of WaPo or any of the other purveyors of Corporate Media lies and lies-by-misdirection.

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    • Author by RINO Hunter (May 20, 2007 3:29 pm ET)
         

      "that the executive branch has engaged in years of lawlessness -- and lawlessness about important things like torture and spying on Americans"

      Considering that Media Matters is full of crap and the mild forms of coercive interrogation we have used is completely legal and so is the Terrorist Surveillance Program, then the Washington Post was wrong even to falsely claim that the administration is lawless. They simply do what is necessary within the legal framework to protect Americans from those who want to kill us, and all the while they have to put up with liberals who are more concerned with protecting the "civil rights" of terrorists than with protecting the American people.

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (May 20, 2007 4:45 pm ET)
           

        That don't seem to be the results in court ("completely legal"). Is it perhaps reflective of your (misguided) personal opinion? And I suppose had you been on the platform, you would have joined the three misfortunates who "showed" their hands when asked about evolution?

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        • Author by RINO Hunter (May 20, 2007 6:50 pm ET)
             

          "And I suppose had you been on the platform, you would have joined the three misfortunates who "showed" their hands when asked about evolution"

          Ya, I would have, and so would the majority of the American people. Polls show that a majority of the American people don't believe in the THEORY of evolution.

          http://www.pollingreport.com/science.htm

          Atheists like yourself are in the minority on this one.

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          • Author by Kaleun (May 20, 2007 9:11 pm ET)
               

            "Do you think the scientific theory of evolution is well-supported by evidence and widely accepted within the scientific community?"

            .

            YesNoUnsure  %%%  

            3/28-29/07

            483913

            You forget that in science Theory is something else than in everyday usage. A scientific theory has to be very well-supported by evidence, and a lot of scientists have to have tried to disprove it and failed. What you or I would usually call a theory in science would be called a hypothesis, which evolution is not.

            One other thing, a scientific theory must always do two things: Explain past events and predict future ones with some accuracy. Evolution explains past events and so does creationism. However, only evolution really predicts events in the future, such as which species will die and which survive. Creationism does no such thing, except perhaps to say whatever it is god will chose, but that's not scientific.

            So evolution may not be perfect. It may not be pretty or without more questions that arise. But it's the best we have. It explains all past existances of species, and so far hasn't failed us as far as prediction goes. Creationism is not even a real hypothesis, so what are its merits? It relies purely on religion, as certain type of which happens to be predominant in America. But as soon as you no longer take god, whom you cannot prove, for granted, creationism falls apart. Evolution does not rely on something that can't be proven. 

            That not all Americans are taught sound science is not Darwin's fault--or god's for that matter--and it certainly not my fault.

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          • Author by conleytgwinn (May 21, 2007 10:05 am ET)
               

            Depends on the methadology of the polling: for those which count "hands", likely we are the minority; for those which sum the years of schooling, not so much; and were the poll to attempt to sum IQ across the responses, well, let's just say your side didn't score sufficiently to rate inclusion as a %.

            And, as K notes, it isn't our fault that we paid attention to teachings of the scientific method, including such things as consistency and repeatability of results, predictiveness, and whether the experiment or observation is so framed as to produce comparative results between competing hypotheses. Now, if "God" had only inspired chapters on global warming and "nukular techmology", perhaps even those least among us (intellectually, that is) would have been adequately schooled in reason to comprehend that we reap what we sow.

            Or, considering who those "least among us" are, perhaps not.

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