Why does Fox News hate our troops?
Why does Bill O'Reilly despise the American military? Why did he refuse to report -- in prime time -- on the heroic, fallen soldier who gave his life in Iraq and was posthumously awarded the national highest combat award, the Medal of Honor? What is it about O'Reilly's strident ideology that blinded him to the U.S. military's achievements to the point where he simply ignored the White House presentation of the Medal of Honor? And honestly, doesn't that really tell you all you need to know about O'Reilly and the state of right-wing media?
I'm referring here to the Medal of Honor presented in April 2005 to the widow and then-11-year-old son of Army Sgt. 1st Class Paul Ray Smith, who died in April 2003 while defending the Baghdad airport from an attack of Iraqi Republican Guard soldiers. Smith was the first Medal of Honor recipient of the Iraq invasion. But according to a search of the Nexis database, Bill O'Reilly snubbed the story on his Fox News program, and John Gibson never uttered a single word about Smith, although a news report about the Medal of Honor ceremony aired on Gibson's Fox News program.
Meanwhile, what news outlets covered the story of Smith's heroics? The 'liberal' New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, as well as ABC, NBC, and CBS News, which reported nine different times on the Smith story. Better yet, CNN referred to Smith 19 times. Fox News? Not that interested in modern-day hero Paul Ray Smith.
I point out the wild discrepancy only because, lately, O'Reilly and Gibson have been leading the right-wing charge against the mainstream media, specifically The New York Times, for "absolutely ignoring" the Medal of Honor posthumously awarded last month to Lt. Michael Murphy, who won the prize for his selfless bravery as a Navy SEAL in Afghanistan. O'Reilly claimed the press turned a blind eye to the Murphy story because of its "anti-military" bias and because journalists are aligned with "the left" and "despise" positive stories, while Gibson charged Murphy represented "a political symbol the left would like to shun." The allegations were cheered online by warbloggers, who for years have been warning their readers about the dangers posed by treasonous journalists.
Please note that Murphy's father, a Vietnam veteran and self-described Republican, just this month praised the press: "The media treated us very well, the reporting was excellent as far as getting Michael's story and Michael's life out,'' he told the supposedly evil New York Times. He also denied claims that have been raised that his son resented the "liberal media." The father insisted his son "knew and liked" journalists and that he'd never heard his son use the phrase "liberal media" before, nor, he added, did his son think that way.
Personally, I'd rather not be discussing Medal of Honor awards in the context of alleged media bias. I think it's disgraceful that the right-wing hatred for the press runs so deep that members feel the need to politicize Murphy's heroics in their dim-witted attempt to show how evil and un-patriotic the American press is. Can't they summon up enough decency to leave American heroes like Michael Murphy alone and find other pieces of rhetorical ammunition to use in their phony, fanatical crusade against journalists?
Then again, right-wingers felt completely comfortable attacking a 12-year-old boy, who suffered serious brain injury in a car accident, after he had the audacity to speak publicly in favor of expanded government-funded health care. So I suppose the idea of politicizing a Medal of Honor recipient is not a big deal for them -- but it is for me. And I think it is for most sane Americans.
But if the far right want to be crass about this (and they do, as they fling around their phony media research), the facts indicate that Murphy's Medal of Honor received an extraordinary amount of mainstream media coverage, and far more than the Medal of Honor awarded in 2005. Back then, the conservative watchdogs voiced few if any complaints about the media's coverage. Indeed, O'Reilly ignored the 2005 Medal of Honor given to Paul Ray Smith. But now with President Bush's popularity in the pits, and more Americans than ever opposed to the war in Iraq, we're told the press has taken an anti-military turn.
Truth is, you'd be hard-pressed to find a Medal of Honor recipient in the last 20 years who received more media attention than Murphy. For instance, in May 1994, when Bill Clinton handed out the highest honor to the widows of Army Master Sgt. Gary Gordon and Sgt. 1st Class Randall Shughart, both killed in Somalia, the story was reported -- approximately -- by 35 American newspapers, according to Nexis, and received 10 national television mentions. By contrast, the Murphy honor has been reported -- approximately -- by 70 newspapers and received 50 national television mentions.
Not only has the press not turned against the military, but the press has also not turned away from good stories. And the tragic tale of Michael Murphy is an extraordinary tale; one that most journalists should, and would, never ignore. (That's why it's being turned into a Hollywood movie.)
Murphy, who grew up a National Honor Society student in the prosperous suburbs of Patchogue, N.Y., turned down a chance to go to law school in 1998 in order to train to become a Navy commando. Murphy was the first member of the military to receive the Medal of Honor for service in the war in Afghanistan, and he was the first Navy recipient of the honor in nearly four decades. He was 29 when he was killed in the Hindu-Kush mountains while leading a four-man reconnaissance mission on June 28, 2005. When his team was spotted by Taliban fighters, the Navy SEALs became badly outnumbered and pinned down in the mountain ridge.
Here's how the Times describes Murphy's last moments:
With the Americans suffering injuries, ammunition running low and roughly 100 Taliban fighters closing in, Lieutenant Murphy made a bold but fateful decision: He left the sheltering mountain rocks into an open area where he hoped to get a radio frequency.
He managed to make contact with Bagram Air Base, calling in his unit's location and the size of the enemy force, even as he came under direct fire, according to a declassified Navy account of the battle.
He also was shot several times and died.
By making that courageous call, Murphy was able to summon reinforcements. However, when a U.S. MH-47 Chinook helicopter arrived on the scene, Taliban fighters shot it out of the sky with a rocket-propelled grenade, killing all 16 service members aboard. In all, 19 U.S. soldiers were killed, making it the worst single day of U.S. fatalities of the war in Afghanistan. The only survivor was Hospital Corpsman Marcus Luttrell, who went on to write a patriotic, best-selling book about the tragic events, Lone Survivor.
Luttrell, whose book bashes the "liberal media," became a favorite among right-wing talkers, such as Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin, and may explain where the unsupported claim that the press ignored Murphy's Medal of Honor came from. The assertion was immediately propped up by the crack staff at Brent Bozell's right-wing Media Research Center, where, as a policy, facts are never allowed to stand in the way of a claim of liberal media bias.
For instance, on October 14, the MRC's Noel Sheppard announced that "according to LexisNexis, outside of New York's local papers such as Newsday, the Daily News, and the New York Post, no major daily bothered reporting Lt. Murphy receiving the Medal of Honor." (This was two days after the White House announced it would be awarding the honor to Murphy's family.)
Actually, according to Nexis, at the time of Sheppard's accusatory posting, the Murphy Medal of Honor story had been reported by the Associated Press, the Cincinnati Post, Commercial Appeal (Memphis), Daily Press (Newport News, VA), Denver Post, Honolulu Advertiser, Honolulu Star-Bulletin, Kansas City Star, Los Angeles Times, Mobile Register, Myrtle Beach Sun-News, Rocky Mountain News, Times Union (Albany, NY) and The Washington Post.
But other than that, Sheppard's research was dead on.
Meanwhile, notice which newspaper was among those that had not reported the Murphy story as of October 14? Clue No. 1: It's really, really conservative. Clue No. 2: Its founder believes he is the son of God. Bingo! The Washington Times, that editorial bastion of patriotic fever did not immediately report that Murphy had been awarded the Medal of Honor. Instead, the right-wing Washington Times waited one week until the honor was actually presented by Bush to Murphy's family at a White House ceremony to write up the harrowing tale of Michael Murphy.
That's precisely what The New York Times did. Yet that paper's actions drew shrieks of protest about an anti-military, anti-American, bias.
- "[The Times] detests any mission that involves U.S. troops -- whether to protect Americans by killing terrorists or to help stave off a bloodbath in the Middle East" -- Unhinged New York post editorial.
- "The writer of this article from the New York Post assumes that anybody working at the al Qaeda Times of New YorkTM has any idea what the word valor means" -- UrbanGrounds.
- "[A]ccording to the New York Times, this story of courage and sacrifice is not 'fit to print' " -- National Review Online's military blog, The Tank.
- "If Lt. Murphy had been accused of war crimes, you can bet where the NYTimes would have placed the news. Front and center" -- Michelle Malkin.
Here's a telling fact: In the end, The New York Times devoted more words and newspaper inches to telling the story of Murphy's life, his family, and his accomplishments than the offended New York Post did.
Now, did the Times show poor news judgment by not immediately writing up a news story the day the award was announced instead of waiting until the award was presented at the White House? Given the fact that Murphy grew up in the New York metropolitan area, I would say yes, the Times did show poor judgment -- especially considering that, in 2005, when the White House announced that Paul Ray Smith would be given the Medal of Honor, the Times immediately wrote up a story without waiting for the White House ceremony.
And to be honest, critics would have been completely justified in complaining about how the Times handled the Medal of Honor awarded posthumously this past January to Marine Cpl. Jason Dunham. All the Times did in that instance was insert a single paragraph about Dunham into a larger news report about congressional wrangling of the war. That kind of thin coverage was unconscionable.
But the Times' miscue still doesn't prove the larger, fact-free allegation that the Times, along with the rest of the mainstream press, occasionally -- and purposely -- underplay stories because they hate the military. (Anti-military? NBC's Nightly News just devoted an entire week to profiling previous Medal of Honor recipients.) That's just hateful paranoia and has nothing to do with media criticism.
But back to the New York Post's name-calling editorial attacking the Times as being a military-hating institution because the paper did not promptly report the Murphy Medal of Honor announcement. Because if you go back to 2005 when the Paul Ray Smith Honor was announced, guess what? The New York Post did not immediately report on the news. Instead, the newspaper waited nearly eight weeks before informing readers about the battlefield award. The AP first reported the honor on February 2, 2005, but the Post's first mention was a paltry 320-word report appearing on March 31, 2005, on the eve of the White House ceremony.
Kettle? Black.
As I mentioned, this latest round of finger-pointing isn't really about the media and it's certainly not about serious media criticism. It's about desperate war supporters flailing around in search of a target; in search of an explanation for how it's really the media's fault that the war in Iraq has failed. That ritual is destined to continue. But please, right-wingers, in the future can you at least have the decency to leave good people like Michael Murphy out of your hateful crusades?

















The left despises the military, the right despises the military....
when can we find middle ground?
Probably not soon with the 300 + prostitutes in congress.
I'm getting really sick of the supposed "liberal" bias that every single newspaper and tv station is accused of if they aren't in lockstep with the Republican party. Just talking with my conservative friends, this is always the blanket statement that is used (Oh, they have a liberal bias) when I mention a source in expressing my point of view.
Thanks for setting the record straight, Eric - it's a great response to those who shoot the messenger instead of the 800 pound gorilla in the room.
O'Reilly did report on it.
MMFA quotes him from another thread:
O'REILLY: Last night, our lead story on the Factor was the Medal of Honor awarded to Navy SEAL Lieutenant Michael Murphy who was killed in Afghanistan trying to save his unit. Lieutenant Murphy's bravery is chronicled in the best-selling book, Lone Survivor, and it is truly an incredible saga.
And I've read that both FOX & MSNBC covered the ceremony live, though I didn't see either broadcast to verify that.
Why are you stooping to their level?
This sounds like a childish 4th grade recess fight.
I support the troops..
No way, I support the troops!
No you don't support the troops!
Yes I do..You don't!
Jeter, Eric correctly stated that Billo did not report on SFC Smith's MOH ceremony back in 2005. Please reread the article.
I caught it. This is what happens when you read the article after you post. My bad :-/ Eric great column.
I messed that up. Next time I better read, not skim over the story.
I didn't realize Eric was bringing up Sgt. 1st Class Paul Ray Smith, another soldier who received the medal of honor in 2005.
Eric, & everyone here...I stand corrected. Sorry.
you were better than that, Jeter.
"I'm referring here to the Medal of Honor presented in April 2005 to the widow and then-11-year-old son of Army Sgt. 1st Class Paul Ray Smith"
NOT MURPHY.
Read the 2nd Paragraph again.
bygones.
on Jeter's receipt of the Emily Litella medal of honor? Anti-Yankee bias?
I'll punish myself, Jeets! ;0)
Why is nobody reporting on Jeter's receipt of the Emily Litella medal of honor? Anti-Yankee bias?
Jeter: I'd like to speak out against anti-Yankee bass. That bass are anti-Yankee is a terrible, terrible thing. We need to find out if this is going on in lakes, ponds & rivers all over the country. If mean largemouth bass are refusing to be hooked onto Yankee fishing poles, that is discrimination! Yankees should be able to catch any type of fish that they want. Eating fish is healthy. I want everyone here to write to the Bass Federation & ask them to stop this anti-Yankee bass movement.
Beach: [ interrupting ] Jeter?
Jeter: Yes?
Beach: I'm sorry. My post mentioned anti-Yankee bias, not bass.
Jeter: Oh. I'm sorry. Never mind.
will be contacting you, Jeter.
The Abu Ghraib scandal was reported on the New York Times front page 32 days in a row -
[link to www.freerepublic.com]
When the Medal of Honor Award was announced the NY Times failed to print the story:
[link to www.nypost.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------- UNFIT TO PRINT?
October 13, 2007 -- Every major daily paper in New York took note of President Bush's deci sion to bestow the first Medal of Honor of Operation Enduring Freedom on Navy SEAL Lt. Michael Murphy - a Long Islander who gave his life for his country and his fellow SEALs.
Every paper but one, that is.
And it shouldn't be particularly hard to guess which one.
By now, most folks know exactly how much The New York Times despises the U.S. military.
How it detests any mission that involves U.S. troops - whether to protect Americans by killing terrorists or to help stave off a bloodbath in the Middle East.
How the paper works tirelessly to promote its anti-war, anti-military agenda - even in its supposedly objective news pages.
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Summary - it is not that the liberal MSM fails to report on the good and the bad with regard to the media.
The issue is how the liberal MSM jumps to report bad news with mega-coverage while good and positive news about the military gets much less coverage.
This discrepancy (and I could find many more examples if I had enough time) leads some people to wonder if there is not some kind of bias against the military.
LOL> Too late.
Any comment on the specifics of the actual article?
They're always burying the good news from Iraq:
Two links from NYT's front page TODAY:
"Baghdad Starts to Exhale as Security Improves": [link to www.nytimes.com]
"Around Baghdad, Signs of Normal Life Creep Back": [link to www.nytimes.com]
Beat me by a minute, Pete. Sorry for the duplicate info.
The netroots nation minds are one.
---"By now, most folks know exactly how much The New York Times despises the U.S. military."---
The NY Times despises the troops SO MUCH, that today they are running this despicable article:
"Baghdad Starts to Exhale as Security Improves" --NY Times 11-20-07
Are you really an idiot or do you just play one on the Internet?
The NYTimes was a major cheerleader in the runup to this war. Touting many false WMD stories. Your biased take on this is as worthless as, well, pretty much every post you make.
I have had the misfortune to read your post Justice for Truth. Not at one time did you address the content of the article in question. Instead you moved right into O'Reilly land in which you go about explaining about Abu Ghraib and the New York Times, blah, blah, blah.
Quite frankly, it is obvious you have never been able to post an argument of your own. Informed people know that you are just regurgitating the crap you hear from your talking head heroes. I mean really, are you ever going to add to the debate in a manner in which your own thoughts are presented? BTW, you give the NYT too much credit. People in the heartland, the south, northwest, etc. never see the New York Times on a whole. This pretense that you and O'Reilly operate under in which the NYT is somehow responsible for swaying public opinion away from "traditionalism" is bull$h*t and you know it. It's just convenient way for you and people like O'Reilly to rationalize why logic outpaces your right wing ideology.
Now, the question remains.....Was O'Reilly and his cohorts at FOX guilty of what they accused the "mainstream media" of by not reproting on the medal of honor winner in 2005? Be honest with yourself. Objective research, my man. It's a wonderful tool for being an informed citizen of this republic.
Perhaps it was that links to the NY Post and freeper website?
Chris,
Pay no attention to the man behind the JusticeTruthUS curtain.
He's a troll who's been here before under many other names. He is probably the most uninformed poster we've ever had and we've had some real winners.
He's been bounced before for violating the Terms of Service and I think he's on his way to being throw out again.
He was complaining about one of his posts being deleted yesterday and others were complaining because the deleted post was so ludicrous that they wanted to respond to it.
Then again, a lot of people here think that he's doing some kind of comedy routine. I have to admit, some of his stuff is damned funny, unless he's serious.
And if he's serious, he needs help, quick. He sets himself up as some kind of decider, whose decisions are final and can't be debated any longer.
Wait a minute, maybe he's George W.
Thanks Worrier. I have had the complete and uncompromised misfortune to read this guy's stuff for the past couple of weeks. I even had a discussion with him concerning John Kerry and the Swift boat crap. Of course, when backed into a corner, he produced a piece from NEWSMAX which showed some guy saying that Kerry pressured him into lying about Vietnam atrocities. In any event, perhaps we should just marginalize him and not give him the satisfaction of any kind of response. As you may or may not know, folks with personality disorders thrive on getting a rise out of others through ludicrous claims and inuendo. On the other hand, we know that if you ignore a cancer it won't go away. T
The thing that aggravates me the most is that he actually thinks his daily regurgitations of the talking heads rants are his own, or that he is fooling others into believing that his postings are genuine. I guess what he doesn't realize is that informed people have heard his stuff nearly verbatim from O'Reilly, Hannity, Rush, etc prior to his postings. I guess I could have summed this up in one sentence.....He is a copycat, who wants others to believe the stuff he posts is his own thoughts. Rather pitiful, don't ya' think?
The question I have to answer to myself: Is this the most truthful thing I can say?" When I can honestly answer "Yes", then it's time to click.
Try commenting on the subject at hand. If these posts are the most truthful you can get, may I suggest a return to the basics?
Here are a few to rehabilitate your reputation:
"The sky appears to be blue."
"The sun is a star."
"There are 50 states in our country."
Now, did the Times show poor news judgment by not immediately writing up a news story the day the award was announced instead of waiting until the award was presented at the White House? Given the fact that Murphy grew up in the New York metropolitan area, I would say yes, the Times did show poor judgment -- especially considering that, in 2005, when the White House announced that Paul Ray Smith would be given the Medal of Honor, the Times immediately wrote up a story without waiting for the White House ceremony.
This quote - from the topic - gives away the complete bias of MMFA. Conservative criticism of the New York Times was entirely based upon the fact that they DID NOT give a major story to a 'hometown' hero on the day of the announcement. Why? Well, anyone can check and see how much coverage they gave to the completely overblown Abu Garabe story. You can see for yourself the kinds of grades the liberal MSM got in their Iraq war coverage - Grading TV's War News -
[link to www.mrc.org]
Are you going to talk about the topic or not? The topic was Fox and O'Reilly, discuss.
Which was worse, Abu Gharib or Monicagate? Since you think there is so much bias in the NYT, which one produced more headlines?
You deserve the criticism
Was Abu Gharib a bad thing in your opinion or a good thing? Should the US torture and humiliate their captives? Because that's what happened at Abu Gharib, and it is still laughable that they only really punished the "foot soldiers" who were there, and who perpetrated those crimes against their prisoners.
And, the story you linked to is not "anti military". Just because they are showing something bad that happened within the military, by a certain few individuals doesn't make a newspaper anti military, and I'm certain your assertion that this was front page news for over a month is a dubious claim as well, since it came from Freeperville which plays loose and fast with what the truth actually is and all.
And I ask again? What about Abu Gharib do you think shouldn't have been written about?
but 32 frontpage headlinkes in the NY Times?
Did you miss this as well in the story from above?:
"Here's a telling fact: In the end, The New York Times devoted more words and newspaper inches to telling the story of Murphy's life, his family, and his accomplishments than the offended New York Post did. "
Hmm... Maybe they didn't publish it on day one, and I believe the NYT was taken to task about that in this very atricle here written by Mr. Boehlert, but what about what they did after? More coverage than the NY Post and all.
"The issue is how the liberal MSM jumps to report bad news with mega-coverage while good and positive news about the military gets much less coverage."
Could it be a fact that the vast majority of the news from Iraq could be considered "bad", what with all the bombing, torturing, shooting, maiming, etc.
Every single response to my original post made the same strawman error - I never said that the lib MSM does not report good news. I said that the lib MSM trumpets the bad news and then reluctantly posts the good news without much fanfare.
Many people see the rush of the MSM to push the bad news as a form of bias.
Hate to break it to ya, but bad news 'sells' better. That's life.
---"I said that the lib MSM trumpets the bad news"---
I've heard bugles play "Taps" due to the "bad news" ---well over 3,000 times the past five years.
No "trumpets" tho.
"Many people see the rush of the MSM to push the bad news as a form of bias."
Yeah, and the same people will cite Brian Williams' body language while reporting a story as evidence of "Liberal bias". It's bullsh*t, of course, but that never stops you, does it?
Try again, JustUsTrolls.
O.K. then, I say that the MSM reports the news. It is ones own personal interpretation of that news as to whether it has a liberal or conservative slant. The fact remains though, that O'Reilly never reported the medal of honor story in 2005. He now accuses the MSM of bias because they supposedly done what he ACTUALLY done two years ago!!!! Do you see the incongruity here??????
I linked you to A FRONT PAGE STORY.
A story in the NYT can't really get much more fanfare than that.
Yeah, well, maybe people need to quit 'wondering' and start seeking out the objective facts. The facts, as demonstrated in this piece, indicate that this so-called 'MSM hates the military' bit is just a pile of HS.
Had you read the article.."In the end, The New York Times devoted more words and newspaper inches to telling the story of Murphy's life, his family, and his accomplishments than the offended New York Post did."
And the Washing Times hasn't even reported on it at all.
There goes your theory of "liberal bias"... but don't let actual facts would persuade you in any way...
Autographing copies of his books for the troops. Undoubtedly, he will return with plenty of stories about how willing our boys and girls are to die for the greater glory of Dick Cheney and to bolster Halliburton's stock value.
I just hope he gets back in time to defend Christmas against the Secular Progressive onslaught.
No, O'Lielly, will return with stories of hOW he stared death in the face during real combat encounters. He was THERE, HE SAW, HE KNOWS WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE IN A FIREFIGHT.
Yeah, and we will be treated to weeks and weeks of HIS heroism.
...and of course....another "book deal"
I post a lot on politcal forums, here and in other places, and what I will see, almost on a daily basis, will be some cut and pasted story posted by some vehement right winger who is just absolutely inconsolable that the "liberal media" hasn't been talking about or reporting on "insert name of story here" and how they are certain that they definitely won't do it. Absolutely won't do it.
What I enjoy doing on those occassions, is pulling up the New York Times wesbite. Searching for said story, and so far, 100% of the time, the story that the right wingers are yelling and screaming about not being covered by the "liberal" New York Times is always there. I post the link, then their retort is, "Well, it wasn't FRONT PAGE! WHY ISN'T IT FRONT PAGE?!?!"
They never let the facts get in the way of a good diatribe. As a matter of practice, anytime some right winger, crazed right winger, talks about a story not being reported in the liberal media, first thing I do is search for said story. I've always found the stories they claim are not being reported. It's called research folks. Apparently, they know how to use a computer, and the internets, but they fail to use, or know how to use Google?
Weak, just plain old weak.
...they'll complain that it's below the fold.
True enough, true enough.
kept the story of SFC Smith's actions buried
[link to www4.army.mil]
Eric.
Great article, thanks. You have handed some "big butt" back to the right on a silver platter!
But, speaking of Media selectivity, how long will it take for them to bury this story:
[link to www.publicaffairsbooks.com]
Assuming the Media Bobbleheads even bother to mention it, how long before the Flying Monkeys unload on Scott McClelan?
Sounds like McClennan might not be invited to kick back on the porch of the ranch with W when he retires next year.
Also sounds like he might have written a tell all sort of book. I'm sure he'll be painted as a disgruntled former employee, and then they'll attack his family, although last time I saw him on The Daily Show, he was very protective (long after he had resigned) of the President, and the job that he did. I'd love to see Stewart interview him again when this book comes out.
Looks like McClellan is the type of "weakling" that doesn't cut it in the Bush administration.Why does he hate America?
I feel certain that this, too, will pass with barely a burp from the MSM. He'll get the same treatment all the other witnesses to Bush/Cheney's crimes have...the Press will briefly glance at it, if at all, shrug their shoulders and breathlessly return to debating whether Hillary left a tip or not.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'll be surprised if the story has any legs at all.
I know I'll catch hell from this group, but why would such a great president pick such shifty and disloyal people to work for him?
It seems that after they leave, everyone of them who isn't facing hard time, or big money from defense contractors writes something that makes our guy look messianic, lazy, dumb, weak, arrogant, paranoid, petty and pathetic.
Could it be that he is?
I don't even want to think about that.
Only a tiny number are still on the "W is a great president" bandwagon.Most have moved to the "W isn't running in '08" bus.
There, all of my transportaion metaphors are in a row.And you, King, can keep wondering what November will bring.
That W will be running in '08.
Running from the different law enforcement agencies whose duty it is to round up suspected felons.
BTW, hope you're recovering quicky from your surgery. This Thanksgiving weekend will be your last leave before the surge in the WOX, and I expect you to report at 100%.
The Armory is brimming with Creche-Cutter grenades, wreath-seeking missiles and puffy-reindeer-sweater -piercing bullets.
I'm almost 100 % and will be ready for the first carolers. I'm working on a grenade that will only harm those "peace on earthniks" and "good will towards men" losers.
Imagine, in 2007, someone would have the balls to expect that. Not if I have anything to do with it.
I'm willing to say that we'll be ready here on the East Coast.
Happy Holidays, and remember, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, the price of an X-Box 360 is $279.99.
Let me start off by offering my thanks to Michael Murphy and all the soldiers and to their families who patriotically serve our great country.
Looking at a few of the links, it looks to me like the NYT published an online article about Lt. Murphy on October 22. (maybe there were earlier reports? I hope someone will correct me if I am wrong.) I don't know if the same article was published in the NYT paper that day, but my guess is if Bill O'Reilly started lambasting the NYT on the 23rd, they probably hadn't reported on it yet in print.
Not that I'm a fan of Bill O'Reilly, but if that is that is the case, it may be understandable that Bill would criticize the NYT. Especially if much of the rest of the media world had reported on this outstanding hero. Bill is not alone. Even Mr. Boehlert even criticizes the NYT for not reporting it sooner.
Boehlert wrote, "Now, did the Times show poor news judgment by not immediately writing up a news story the day the award was announced instead of waiting until the award was presented at the White House? Given the fact that Murphy grew up in the New York metropolitan area, I would say yes, the Times did show poor judgment --..."
Given that the NYT has argued against the war and the administration for quite some time it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see their bias. So it is not without reason that some on the right might feel that, in the absence of any article, the NYT was ignoring Lt. Murphy's story.
One last comment. On the whole, I am disappointed with Boehlert for trying to make an ideological/political t*t-for-tat argument using soldiers who died for our country as grist for his article. Somehow it seems to me to be disrespectful to their memory. (I know the same can be said of those on the right who did the same.) Isn't it rather hypocritical for Mr. Boehlert to end his article with, "...can you at least have the decency to leave good people like Michael Murphy out of your hateful crusades?" when he is guilty of the same thing himself?
very nuetral.
are you questioning AA's virility, or saying he can't get it in gear?
--"using soldiers who died for our country as grist for his article"
The grist here was O'Reilly's comments--not the soldiers.
It's pretty dam hard to criticize O'Reilly here without mentioning the soldiers. Can't believe you're not bright enough to realize that.
Then when the soldiers are mentioned, you in fact are the one who "uses" them in order to defend O'Reilly. Pretending -as you do- that Boehlert in some way was "using" or "demeaning" soldiers. That's malarkey, to put it mildly. And a pretty transparent excuse to just deflect any criticism towards O'Reilly.
Much in the same way "you hate the troops" has been used by the right for anyone who wants them to come home.
Your "Given that the NYT has argued against the war and the administration for quite some time" is also without merit.
The NY Times was one of THE prime cheerleaders and misinformation-pushers in the run-up to the war and in its immediate aftermath. They are one of many to blame when it comes to why we now find ourselves in Iraq.
Your charge is right-wing propaganda, without basis.
I think you need to re-read the NYT leading up to the Iraq War. They were certainly for it.
Given that the NYTimes was a major cheerleaer in the runup TO the war I would say it doesnt show any bias. I pretty much agree with Boelert that they deserve some criticism. Also NO calling others on using Murphy for their crusade is NOT the same as using Murphy for a crusade any more calling for an investigation of corruption is being corrupt.
Dave, Fried, Solon,
Given that the NYT has argued against the war and the administration for quite some time it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see their bias.
Do you see where I say "for quite some time"? I am not saying they never were for it am I? If you believe they were at one time, I noticed the three of you don't contradict my assertion that they have argued against the war and the administration. Why did you collectively leave that part out?
Not to beat a dead horse, but I also noticed you three seem to have left out the inclusion in my sentence "and the administration". Do you think the NYT has reported and opined in a neutral or postive fashion toward Bush?
Your thoughts are appreciated.
---"Why did you collectively leave that part out?"
Why did YOU leave out the part about the NY Times serving as a war booster?
The Times has gotten it right, finally. The war's a terrible fiasco, Bush is a disaster, and it's time to support the troops by bringing them home.
For proving my point.
Here's what YOU said:
"If you believe they (NY Times) were at one time (supporters of the war)"
It's not a matter of "believing". They WERE supporters of the war. In the run-up and afterwards.
YOU didn't mention that, and still are avoiding acknowledging it because it puts a lie to your false claim that the Times is "biased".
I didn't mention it because it was not germaine to my post.
You brought it up, parsing my sentence in an attempt to deflect to my point and at the same time selectively ignoring the rest of that sentence. Only when pressed did you reluctantly acknowledge I was not lying.
So your original claim fell short by your own admission. Simply repeating your 'lying' accusation does not make it any more credible.
Besides, your attempt was a minor point at best. Lets move on shall we?
"I didn't mention it because it was not germaine to my post."
Laugh-out-loud laughable.
You accuse the Times of "bias", saying they've been anti-war for quite some time. And you don't think it's "germaine" to mention they were a prime cheerleader for the war to begin with and afterwards? You've got to be f__ kidding.
Does not make your argument any stronger. In fact, resorting to expetives like you just did, only makes it look weaker. But I understand where you are coming from. :-)
Have a good evening.
I hope your virgin ears recover.
You didnt have a point. The fact they were original cheerleaders FOR the war argues against the bias claim no matter WHAT they are arguing now.
First I would be shocked if they werent arguing against the war. Sanity itself argues against the war. Second since YOU used the fact they were arguing against the war to say they are biased it is a valid point that the original cheerleading FOR the war argues AGAINST that bias. That point is unaffected by the fact they are now arguing against the war.
You have also proven my point by saying the NYT now argues against the war (however again you left out the administration which was included in my original sentence).
Whether you admit it or not, that shows bias to me and proves my point about the NYT. Glad to see we are in agreement. :-)
If you want to make the case that the NYT at one time was biased in favor of the war and the administration, be my guest. However as I mentioned earlier, it is not germaine to my original post.
If you want to believe the NYT is not biased against the war and this administration, go right ahead.
Doesnt prove bias and you STILL DONT HAVE A POINT. They argued FOR the war when they were convinced it was a good idea, they argue against it now that they no LONGER believe this. That is like the opposite of bias. You see bias only because you WANT to. There is no bias shown and wishing wont make it so.
"Given that the NYT has argued against the war and the administration for quite some time it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see their bias. "
So, everyone who disagrees with the war has a bias against this administration? I am not sure what you mean here. Do you consider Chuck Hagel to be biased against the Bush administration? What about Ron Paul? Since when has disagreement been equal to bias?
Perhaps I am missing your point, but I don't equate the two.
I was simply saying that your argument about a liberal media wasn't as strong because you omitted that the "liberal" paper in question was for the war initially.
Could you please explain why disagreeing with someone (in this case the administration) makes someone biased against them? If so, are we all not biased against each other?
It doesn't make sense because he is just another cultist. When they say "left" they don't mean politically progressive, prone to change, or anything like that...it just means non-cult to them..."the other".
Sometimes the truth is biased. And, when a newspaper or magazine reports the truth, it appears that the news source has a bias.
The truth is that the war is a disaster and it was a mistake. That appears to have a pretty strong left-wing bias. So, by reporting the truth, the newspaper appears to swing to the left. Your problem isn't with the newspaper: it is with reality. Your only options are to change your opinios to be more in line with the truth, or find some way to travel to another reality where the right-wingers are correct.
Good luck with that.
...could you at least read the article all the way through and confirm just why he used the MoH recipients to argue his case? Look hard enough, well just read it, and you'll also see him express regret for even having to do it///
I see where Boehlert says, he'd rather not do it.
However it looks to me like the kettle is calling the pot black in this instance.
Boehlert accuses O'Reilly and the right of hate and uses the memory of fallen heroes to make his case. I stand by my original assertion regarding his last comment. He is in my view being hypocritical because his tone is just the same as those whom he criticizes. If continue to disagree, so be it.
This piece is obviously a satire, pointing out that it is wrong for another person to do something by mockingly doing the same thing to them, then following it up with an explanation oas to why that thing was wrong.
It appears that you are either unable or unwilling to recognize satire. I suspect that it is the latter: which is a common ploy among the right wing, to pretend to miss the point so as to make simpler minds think that was what the other person was saying all along. Tucker Carlson does this all the time. However, if it is the former, I confess that I find you facinating...what is it like to go through life not being able to detect satire? I can't imagine it, really...my life would be so dull but yet, amazing. I don't know whether to envy or pity you.
Gee, it looks like they're using a page out of the Fox Noise/Republican playbook.
You mean, they argue against the war based on facts of what is happening in Iraq, and don't forget that it hasn't indeed been happening for "quite some time". As others have pointed out, in the run up, and indeed after the invasion of Iraq, the NYT was full on for it, and wrote about it a lot. They were cheerleading for the war, and still are in some cases.
Just because they are reporting some facts from Iraq, and that the facts don't agree with what the President and the republicans say, does this mean that they have a "liberal" bias, or does it mean that the facts as written, point to that?
Eric Boehlert destroy's once again any argument Fake Noise has and deals in the one thing repug's don't like, FACTS. The daily paper where I live has reported on soldiers deeds that didn't rise to MOH status. Sorry right wingers .... get back to lying about everything
I think Mr. O is a "bad American" ,to use his own standard of judgement, for not picking up on or considering the reporting by Jonathan Landay and Warren Strobel of the formerly-Knight Ridder newspapers.. and, to digress a bit, he and Hannity owe the Senator from the great State of Massachusetts an apology (Listen to the Senator's comments in Bill Moyer's _Buying the War_) He is more on the mark than Mr. O _ever_ was...about anything
I freely confess that this may be an irrelevant distraction in this particular thread, but since I get to dip into MMFA only here and there, I was wondering whether MMFA – or at least the Comments under one of the threads – has picked up on Keith Olbermann's really embarrassing recent fluff on WPITW awards.
Specifically, in making Bill O'Reilly the Worst Person in the World the other day for suggesting that Revelations in the New Testament was maybe 5,000 years old, Olbermann made a serious gaffe himself. He dated the death of Jesus Christ 2007 years ago, making the mistake of thinking that the reckoning of AD time starts with Jesus' death in the 1st year of Anno Domini. In fact, AD was meant to begin with the BIRTH, not the death, of Jesus, though the 6th century AD monk who took the first shot at this appears to have made a mistake.
The date of Jesus' birth is reckoned by different scholars to be somewhere between 8 BC and 6 AD, with 6 or 5 BC being more or less the consensus. There is similarly a spectrum of opinions among scholars on exactly when to date the death of Jesus. The range is between 26-37 AD. BTW, I am using the following Wikipedia link as my source for this dating. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Whether MMFA, having criticized O'Reilly for blowing the dating of Revelations, should at least footnote the fact that Olbermann – quite possibly building on the MMFA criticism of O'Reilly, but I am conjecturing here – blew the date of Jesus' death is something I'll let those obsessed with the supposedly incestuous relationship between MMFA and Olbermann rant about. But I do think Keith should make himself at least "Worser" some night for having made O'Reilly "Worst" for a mistake about biblical chronology -- and then having gone on to make a serious chronological error himself. On second thought, it really should be "Worst." But heck, there is less excuse for O'Reilly. He's a professed know-it-all; Christian, while (and I am conjecturing and am willing to be slapped down on this if it is not accurate) Olbermann is Jewish and can be forgiven – by any good Christian at least! – for being less punctilious about signal dates in Christian history. (The previous two sentences were a joke, so douse the flame thrower.)
I say all this as an Olbermann fan. He is the only guy in his particular line of work who has consistently had the cohones to take responsibility when he makes an egregious mistake. Please note the operative word, "consistently".
Anyway, we'll see on this one.
I don't know if MM has, but I mentioned it Saturday night.
I meant to link to this;
[link to mediamatters.org]
What's with this old posting format coming up? It's not monkey-friendly enough for me.
Yes, Oberman made a mistake. However, the point is that O'Reilly is constantly insulting people for being secularists or for not paying attention to scripture. Oberman does not. For someone who doesn't ever refer to scrip[ture, missing a rather obvious point is kind of moot. But for someone who claims to live by it and thinks other people should to, it is a pretty key element.
Likewise, it is important to note that MANY people I have met think that AD 1 is the year Jesus died, rather than the alleged year of his birth. However, I have never met anyone, Christian or otherwise, who thinks that The Book of Revealation was written 5000 years ago. That is a pretty massive error.
Was Abu Gharib a bad thing in your opinion or a good thing?
my opinion: a good thing
in your opinion, are beheadings and disembowlment a good thing or a bad thing?
I saw something jaw dropping on the first 5 minutes of The O'Reilly Factor tonight. Yes, I've narrowed my sickness to the Talking Points Memo and then I force myself to turn the channel and count to 10.
Anyhow, Laura Ingraham was guest hosting. She's oftentimes vile and always disingenuous. However, this evening she did something I've never seen. She actually, truly supported the troops. She talked about the 3000 or so injured troops back from Iraq being harrassed to pay back the part of their signing bonus that corresponds to the time their tour was cut short because of their serious injury. And then she actually said something about how she can't understand why people would want to join the military after hearing stories like this. I was blown away.
Anyhow, she moved on in the next segment to repeatedly insult an anti-war protestor, which stopped me from writing her a little email of surprised compliment, but I don't honestly think I've ever seen anything like that on Fox. It meant that for once someone on that channel when against this administration, the pentagon, and the Army itself for this bullsh.
but did you notice she never put any blame on the Bush Administration, but covered it with "bureaucracy" and "government red tape" type of language?
translation: Although these things are happening under a Republican president, they're the result of...
Liberal Big Government!
Still, surprising to see one of the wingnuts caring about any military after they've, uh, outlived their usefulness.
Eric,
I can tell you that stories about heroic actions by our military men and women is ignored by Fox News producers. It's not newsworthy to them. They don't care about the troops.
They are nothing but a public relations firm for the GOP/Bush Administration. This is a dispicable news organization. Local news has better coverage than this fraudulent news network.
Ignorant Sean doesn't even have heroic stories about the troops on Hannity and Colmes. Yeah, he supports the troops alright. His conservative base needs to ask him why this is, or better yet ask Fox/GOP program mouthpiece Bill Shine.
Eric,
You must continue to expose this fraudalent news network. Judith Regan's lawsuit against News Corp. is just the beginning.
Bill O'reilly always sticks up for the military. For example, when a U.S. marine college student was harassed, the campus did nothing for him, so Bill stuck up for him. When Sodom, er, I mean San Francisco, protested against the military holing events at city shores, Bill criticized the city. When University students prevent the military from recruiting at their campuses, Bill lets us know how unpatriotic those campuses are! Bill has done great things for the military, so get your head out of the sand.
If he loves and supports the military so much, why didn't he serve in it when he was younger? In fact, why didn't he make a career out of it? I think we'd all be better off if he had.
"When Sodom, er, I mean San Francisco, protested against the military holing events at city shores..."
I think the military holing events should be done behind closed doors.
After reading everything that I could find about this man on-line, I have come the the independent conclusion that he is a moral and physical coward. He would not have the courage to stand by his written ramblings by going three rounds in a boxing ring with the people that he routinely verbally attacks. His work should be discounted by thinking people. All the best, Robert Preston
I guess the O'Reilly drones have picked up on this and are here to attack it. Does anyone know if O'Reilly mentioned this on his site?
He may be a subscriber. It costs money to get onto that site to find out. Re rttss, how did you come to your conclusion regarding Eric. How long did it take you to read all of his work? I haven't heard that he has a verbal outlet in the media, where is it located? Most of your post seems gut based, how did thinking people enter into it?