Have GOP bloggers stopped whining yet?
Republican bloggers need to grow up and stop their schoolyard whimpering.
The incessant whining last week over the non-story about how some Democrats were allowed to ask Republican candidates legitimate questions during the CNN/YouTube debate was as revealing as it was embarrassing. When did Republican bloggers conclude that their candidates were so brittle and fragile that they had to be protected from unnecessary exposure to everyday citizens?
Naturally, the bloggers' hatred of the press meant that the first cries of foul after the debate alleged that the "out of control" campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) had been in cahoots with CNN and that the debate questions sprang from a vast liberal media conspiracy. (The charge, of course, was baseless.)
It's all part of the bloggers' attempt to create a parallel universe of sorts, where their own facts don't have to collide with harsh reality. It's a world where inquisitive Democrats who submit video questions to candidates are denounced as "plants," part of an elaborate media scheme to derail Republicans. How, you ask? By posing legitimate, factual questions about the pressing issues of the day. That's what produced last week's shrieking, the-sky-is-falling hysteria across the right-wing blogosphere, with some even making childish demands of "A Do Over" and frantically waving petitions around, insisting that CNN executives be fired for their unpardonable sin.
These GOP bloggers are so afraid of democracy that they spend their days and nights blaming the press for allowing it to take place.
In fact, following the earlier Democratic debate hosted by CNN last month in Las Vegas, right-wing bloggers crowed about the "scandal" they had uncovered: CNN allowed Democrats in the audience to ask questions to Democratic candidates. More on that later.
But where did this far-right fantasy spring from that only registered Republicans are allowed to ask Republicans questions at nationally televised debates? And that it's the media's fault if that precious bubble is penetrated?
Sadly, some of the GOP candidates signed off on the parallel universe approach. In reference to the debate question posed by Retired Brig. Gen. Keith Kerr, who lent his name to the Clinton campaign and became one of nearly 50 co-chairs of Veterans and Military Retirees for Hillary, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) after the debate said, "I think that should have been made public if this individual was a member of another -- any other campaign, then people would, obviously, have a better way of judging the quality of the question."
Here was Kerr's question: "I want to know why you think that American men and women in uniform are not professional enough to serve with gays and lesbians."
Would McCain have dubbed the quality of that question to be inferior if he'd known Kerr had lent his support to a Democratic campaign?
Then again, this debate season has been punctuated by the refusal of most Republican candidates to debate in front of black or Latino audiences, presumably because it would include too many non-Republicans; too many people who might be hostile to what the candidates say. And sure enough, on the eve of the CNN/YouTube debate, anxious online conservatives demanded to know how CNN executives would protect Republican candidates from having to answer questions from non-Republicans.
And no, this is not just like the Democrats' decision to boycott Fox News debates earlier this year. That was never about the questions being asked, or the candidates being afraid of the Fox News crew. It was, in my mind, a brilliant, blogger-led initiative to de-brand Fox News, to publicly declare that the organization itself is not an independent news forum. Just as Democrats would never sanction the National Review or Rush Limbaugh to host one of their debates, there's no reason to let Fox News do the same.
Of course, if Republicans want to boycott CNN or MSNBC by claiming that neither are legitimate news organizations, they're free do to so. I think it's telling that none of the candidates have tried to make that fanciful claim.
The truth is that Democratic candidates have faced hundreds of debate questions to date and haven't waged media campaigns protesting the fact that not all the people who asked the questions were not knee-jerk supporters. (Progressives have, however, complained when some of the questions were factually inaccurate.)
Frankly, I'd be embarrassed if Democratic candidates for the highest office in the land, or their staunch online supporters, ran around complaining that questions asked at a CNN debate were unfair based solely on the fact that the person posing them were not registered Democrats.
In fact, as the Los Angeles Times reported last week, one of the questioners at the Democratic YouTube debate was an obvious Rudy Giuliani supporter. And it didn't take an Einstein to figure that out; it was postered on the questioner's MySpace page. Also, the query he posed to Clinton -- "How do you think you would be taken seriously" by Arab and Muslim nations that treat women as "second-class citizens"? -- made his political allegiance clear. But guess what? She simply answered the question and not a single supporter cried foul. Because that's how a democracy works.
It was CNN itself that created a point of contention over the questions asked at the Democratic debate, by announcing prior to the GOP forum that it was going to weed out any Democratic gotcha-style questions prior to the Republicans' YouTube debate, despite its failure to extend the same courtesy to Democrats during their YouTube debate.
But note that prior to realizing that several of the questioners at the CNN/YouTube debate had Democratic leanings, right-wing bloggers praised the event. At the Media Research Center's (MRC) NewsBusters site, Brad Wilmouth, immediately following the event, wrote approvingly that it "largely lived up to its promise to be a debate fitting for Republican voters as the vast majority of the questions used were asked from a conservative point of view." [Emphasis added.]
And as blogger Steven Benen noted, Malkin herself conceded on Wednesday that "the questions were almost all coherent and well-framed." Meaning, nobody in real time was suggesting the questions themselves were out of bounds.
To put the right-wing bloggers' media paranoia into perspective you have to go back to the previous Democratic debate, when conservatives online -- in a preview of last week's YouTube nonsense -- whipped themselves into a post-debate frenzy, claiming CNN had allowed Democrats in the audience of the Las Vegas debate to ask the Democratic candidates questions. I kid you not, and that deserves repeating: Following the debate, the MRC's NewsBusters site announced it had had uncovered a vast, liberal media conspiracy in which CNN allowed Democrats in the audience to ask questions at a Democratic debate.
The NewsBusters crew and their friends online raised the red flag because during the debate CNN's host claimed the questions from the Las Vegas audience would be asked by "undecided voters." But after much digging, the online sleuths discovered one questioner had once served as an intern for a Democratic senator, another was in a labor union, and a third was a "prominent Muslim leader."
Bloggers had no idea if the questioners were actually undecided voters or not. But because they were Democrats, or in a union, or Muslim, that meant they never should have been allowed to interact with Democratic candidates at a televised debate because they were "plants." Meaning, they were alleged Democratic voters who infiltrated the audience at a Democratic debate.
After much digging, one conservative blogger announced:
It can be said with certainty that at least the three people I mentioned here were NOT ordinary "undecided democratic voters", but rather people who were prepared and planted into the audience to ask these specific questions.
Disclaimer: I am not making this stuff up. The conservative blogosphere was up in arms because some audience members had shown up at the Las Vegas debate "prepared" to ask "specific questions."
Quickly falling into their media conspiracy mode, bloggers demanded to know how the plot had been coordinated and how many candidates knew in advance of the stealthy plan to have Democrats ask questions at a Democratic debate! (My guess? All of them knew.)
The bloggers' next step was depressingly predictable; attack the citizens who asked the questions at the Las Vegas debate:
So I popped her name into my Yahoo search engine to discover that Luisa is her middle name her full name is Maria Luisa Parra-Sandoval, and she worked in Harry Reid's office in Nevada and DC. (Picture on page 23) She was also invited as a guest on the floor off the 74th session of Nevada Legislature, by a man named Rubin Kihuen, he was elected in 2006 and a member of the Nevada Assembly Democrats. Upon further research and a tip from a commenter on another message board, it turns out that she came here illegally from Mexico as a child with her family, but since gained legal status, and has won scholarships to attend UNLV.
If that doesn't creep you out, I don't know what will. A college student asked a question at a CNN presidential debate, and furious right-wing bloggers, hunting for proof of a liberal media bias, commenced with a cyber deep-dive and quickly posted unflattering information about the student's family.
I'll say it again: GOP bloggers are so afraid of democracy that they spend their days and nights blaming the press for allowing it to take place.





















If a network asks for submissions from the public, can they, in good conscience, exclude people who may be Democratic or Republican "operatives"? Isn't it their job to screen the QUESTIONS to determine if they are appropriate, no matter who asks them?
By the way, this is far different from a party activist pretending to be a member of the Press. Of course, journalism isn't the honorable profession it once was....so maybe it doesn't matter any more.
Their self-righteous whining truly is pathetic. They are psychologically defective in that they always play The Victim, of course, while denying their own 'skeletons'.
It must be psychologically painful to be a conservative. Maybe that's why they all seem to be angry and bitter all the time. I would be too if I was in mental pain like that all the time.
The new movie, "The Golden Compass" is under attack by the Troglodytes. They seem to think it's designed to recruit their children into Secular Progressivism.
Yeah, and that's such a horrible thing, isn't it? To actually think for yourself - instead of being told what to think by morons - and to actually do things that benefit society as a whole - instead of being a close-minded selfish ##### who is deathly afraid of - God forbid! - having to actually fork over a few more precious dollars to Evil Government.
You know... I really am starting to think that conservatives are among the worst people on the planet. Really.
to the fundamentalist Muslims in Sudan who want the British school teacher murdered because her 1st grade class named a teddy bear "Mohammed."
The neo-conservatives get the prize for most harm done to the most people.
even though the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' Office for Film and Broadcasting didn't find it so offensive.
[link to www.dailynews.com]
I don't understand why the Vatican lets that blowhard "represent" the Catholic Church
You are correct, sire. The Catholics seem to on a streak of embarassing patricharchy,
He once belonged to the crazy old "League of Decency," the pro-censorship group that had so much to do with the Hayes office that screwed up our movies for so many years, and boycotted books and such, hoping the Pope would put them on the Index. Well, as you can imagine, this wasn't selling very well, so courtesy of the Heritage Foundation, Donohue got a makeover: don't be anything but a "civil rights" group. Having a movie that shows a titty is there to Offend and Discriminate against Catholics, you see. Well, not sane ones, but Donohue-style Catholics.
Obviously, when you have the pre-concieved notion that an election is just a system to be gamed, to be manipulated for your own purposes and desires; it would come as shock that some of the people that you are planning to ignore once elected would be allowed to ask questions that are not part of the pre-arranged agenda.
about debate questions I think you gotta to include the Liberal bloggers & of course the whining King and Queen--> Bill & Hill. In fact, I'd say the whining on the Left drowns out the whining on the Right.
But if you include talk radio, then Conservative whining is absolutely cacophonous.
The only talk radio that isn't 'poor me, feel sorry for me, woe is me' trash is progressive radio. I listen to Ed Schultz and he is probably the most level-headed, intelligent, and FAIR talk show host all around. The morons on the Right don't even come close to that and I'm being very generous.
You're being a partisan. So I'll take your remarks with a grain of salt.
Are you going to sit there and tell me that the Righty talk radio hacks NEVER play the 'woe is me and my party' card? Never?
Hmmm... so Rush whining about the CNN debate wasn't about those poor poor poor Republicans being 'victimised' by those 'evil' libs and their 'biased' media, right?
Whatever.
jeter, as a well-known troll on this site, we wish you would take all of our comments with a grain of cyanide.
Maybe, if you only count bloggers... But if you include talk radio, then Conservative whining is absolutely cacophonous.---Nerzog
You’re quite right Nerzog in broadening the argument to include radio when whining overall or lying overall or distortion overall is the topic. Hearing a real human being say something (especially in real time) has a different effect on us emotionally than reading does. While people know how to do a lot of neat tricks, we are at our core animals, social animals--hierarchically based. People aren’t able to dispassionately listen to another human being because we’re wired that way, unlike with reading. Seeing the person makes an even stronger social connection.
Without this biological fact, the Republican Party of today would never have been able to be what it is or do what it’s done. Radio and television has allowed it. Without broadcast technology they would they would have had to have used much more brutal tactics to gain power.
Conservatives will not admit the influence talk radio has had. If you add up the big names like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, etc. along with the hundreds of local wannabees, their reach is astronomical. Radio has a distinct advantage over all other media; it can reach its audience while they drive and work. Conservative Talk Radio is, in essence, a 24/7 GOP infomercial.
AS of a few days ago, Airi America radio has moved from their weak-sister frequency which couldn't be heard anywhere within the city limits to a powerful flame-thrower of a signal. Best of all, they seem to have displaced the drooling fools at what was previously a Catholic-League sponsored show that was anti-choice all day long. Just last week they were having a "Special Report" about how awful this Golden Compass movie was and how it was going to turn our children into islamoliberalnazis. Anway, if you're in Chicago, you can now easily tune in Air America (especially the wonderful Stephanie Miller in the morning) at 820 on the AM dial. I wonder what Jeter and his pals will do when liberal voices are as oft-heard as Limbaugh and Savage. Whine? They just might lay down and weep. As Ralphie would say: "Ha-ha"
I heard Ed Schultz promoing it yesterday. Good job. I hope he gets heard on more outlets as he is the most rational and FAIR lib host. I'd PAY to have him and Insannity spar on the air.
Come on Jeter. You promised. You said you wouldn't say those kinds of things about us anymore. None of the other conservatives say that about us. Why are you doing it? It's not fair. I'm tellin'.
(insert smiley face here)
I said I'd hold off till 2008. Of course I didn't keep that promise , eh? Head hung in shame :-/ I did last longer than Snoop though! ;-)
Hope you appreciated my attempt at whining. Haven't done it since before I was married so I'm a little rusty.
Men just can't pull off the whining routine with their wives.
Is that why all of the married guys I work with whine to me so much? Their wives aren't having any of it?
"In fact, I'd say the whining on the Left drowns out the whining on the Right."
- In fact, I'd say that's just what your knee-jerk ideological bias tells you to say. Don't you ever grow tired of eplaying that plague-on- both-your-houses card? Or of gratuitous Clinton-bashing?
Don't you ever grow tired of eplaying that plague-on- both-your-houses card? Or of gratuitous Clinton-bashing?
NO
Jeter, you probably think that's cute. But thanks for an honest answer. You ought to try that more often. ;>)
I'm one of the most honest posters here. It makes a few folks a tad uncomfortable.
Hillary is bad news.
The Left whines as much if not more than the Right.
Anything else you'd like an honest opinion on?
team in baseball?
(I figure if we're going for "honest opinions" rather than reality, I'd let you continue your streak, Jeter)
Just remember, it's most people's "honest opinion" that their kids are good-looking and smart.
Of all time? Or now?
Yankees get the nod for best of all time.
Ok this is gonna hurt. The f#ckin Red Sox are, well, pretty good ;-)
Heading home...
Out.
However just because you BELIEVE something doesnt make it true and objectivly its ludicrous to say the left whines as much as the right because they dont. No where near. Hannity, Rush, and the rest of the bloviators have three hour shows where they do virtually nothing else. Fox News is dedicated to almost nothing else. Coulter, Malkin write columns dedicated almost exclusively to their snivelling. No the left isnt even in the same league as the right when it comes to whining
Why is she 'bad news'? Because Sean says so? Because she has a spouse who cheated on her? Because she is a tough woman? Oh, how insightful indeed.
Face it - you guys on the Right are scared. And it's not just Hillary. Even if she doesn't get the nomination Obama or Edwards will get it and they could defeat your side's nominee. THAT is what you're scared of and it shows.
That doesnt mean its true. Its just that your side has been whining so constantly for so long its like that backround buzz at work, you just think of it as part of the environment. Anytime ANYTHING bad is said about a conservative the attack dogs from your side begin their 120 decibel snivelling and keep it up until it has become as ubiquitous as the air we breathe
I could write the exact same thing about the Left.
And be correct.
You could say the same thing about the left but it wouldnt be CLOSE to true. It is a cottage INDUSTRY on the right. It just became invisible by its constancy
You're wrong on this one.
As much as I'd love to stay & go back & forth all night on this...
I'm leaving work. Carry on bud ;-)
On this issue you are just being partisan. As I pointed out the right has an entire cottage industry devoted to your whining. The left doesnt even come close.
Jeter,
Show some of these examples of liberal whining after the Dem Youtube debate that you are talking about. There were about a dozen blatantly rightwingnut questions asked that day, and the next day we did not hear word one about those questioners being "plants" for Giuliani, etc. The Dems answered the questions, and life moved on. Then, fast fwd to the Repub utube debate, and when a couple of lefties asked questions...waah! Malkin, Billo, Gibson, and the righty blogs were OUTRAGED. You righties are a bunch of Bubbleboys and girls. "Don't ask me a scary question! My talking points don't cover that topic!"
Remember the debate where Hills couldn't quite decide if she was for or against licenses for ILLEGALS?
Now be honest...were there days & days of whining from the Left-Wing bloggers?
The answer is YES. Just in case you can't be honest.
There you go with the Hills comments again. You're a bad, bad man.
I seem to remember "us" complaining about "you" complaining about the fact that she did not give you the simplistic yes or no answer that your side craves... (easy on the mind?)
The dark side (:0) then got their collective panties in a bunch over the issue of Hillary being a slick, double talking, politician.
My apologies in advance for all the digs... I'm in one of those moods.
[link to rawstory.com]
See?
It's not whining if you have a legitimate claim of unfairness. If, as a kindergartener, someone steals your lunch, you're not "whining" if you tell your teacher about actual wrongdoing. If you're merely trying to garner sympathy from complaints that have no basis in objective fact, THEN it's whining.
So, the leftist bloggers were not "whining" when Hillary was asked a demonstrably false question about the archives. It is legitimately unfair to ask a question of the "have you stopped beating your wife?" type. Similarly, no one whined about the question about drivers' licenses, they objected to the fact that Russert was trying to make her answer in a strictly sound-bite form.
In contrast, Boehlert shows that the GOP bloggers WERE in fact "whining" because their complaints have no intellectual consistency (Dem's can't ask questions at a Dem debate; only GOP can ask questions at a GOP debate).
So it's wrong for democrats to ask questions of democrats during a democratic debate, but it's just and right for only republicans to question republicans in a republican debate. Meaning that the right wing only wants to hear that republicans are toeing the line and hoping to create a one party system. Nice.
To extend your point Snoop,
The only way for the youtube debate to be "fair" is for only rightwingers to have asked questions to the Dems...and for only rightwingers to ask questions to the Repubs. Any lefty who asked a Q to a Dem was a "plant" (according to newsbusters) and any lefty who asked a Q to a Repub was a "plant" according to all whiny righties.
So...all you lefties out there, quit asking your silly questions! You are not allowed!
"Making Republican look bad". That was the comments heard from Republican talking heads. How? Were the questions difficult? Were they not given enough time to answer? Now from what I understand they are not running for President of the Republican party or President of people who think like they do, they were running for President of the United States. Please tell me how having to answer why African Americans don't vote Republican is hard. Please tell me how having to answer a military man who devoted 42 years of his life protecting America is difficult? I know, I know, those answers required thinking, not the standard terror, terror, terror, Hillary, Hillary, Clinton, Clinton. That must be why you're whining and moaning like a bunch of 2 year olds. But I must say, haven't you noticed that there are fewer and fewer of you hiding under the bed? Maybe for others there's more to life than terror, terror, Hillary, Hillary, Clinton, Clinton. You should read that book called "The Boy Who Cried Wolf". Just a suggestion.
"Now from what I understand they are not running for President of the Republican party or President of people who think like they do, they were running for President of the United States. Please tell me how having to answer why African Americans don't vote Republican is hard. Please tell me how having to answer a military man who devoted 42 years of his life protecting America is difficult?"
Remember the NAACP hosted forum for the GOP candidates? Me neither, the repubs ducked them.
Nearly every single candidate, left and right, still hold public office. That means they are to be held accountable to the public. Which, in turn means they are responsible for answering for their beliefs and actions.
It's this sick Republican with us or against us mentality that's at the core of their fragile inability to hear the people, all the people. See, if your mind is set to believe that if one is not 100% conservative that they are then, by default, 100% liberal that nonsense breeds division and contempt of the other, of the people.
That's todays GOP; contemptuous of we the people. We see it in their laissez faire approach to universal healthcare, we see it in their embrace of torture, in their acceptance of warrantless domestic spying.
Control is their only objective.
Reading a column by Mr. Boehlert whining about GOP whining is about as laughable as reading a column on the brutality of the Roman Empire by Atilla the Hun.
...that's Attila the hun
Not to derail or anything, but the Romans were dicks. Ask any Celt.
Which of the points that Boehlert made do you believe are factually inaccurate? Name calling is easy. Show what you are made of and pick apart points in his analysis. I dare ya.
My challenge was directed at WC4ME.
The existence of this website is based on leftists whining about conservative bias - which is a laughable premise in itself.
"The existence of this website is based on leftists whining about conservative bias -..."
No, this website is based on documenting conservative bias, and posters of different political leanings commenting on it.
"...which is a laughable premise in itself."
Documented daily. Are you finished whining? ;0)
Statements by hiveminders is a pretty stiff contest but the idea that conservative bias is a laughable concept has to be in the running.
WC and Jeter were both asked for examples of the whining they were accusing "the left" of, and both responded with opinions and "feelings", but no facts.
They really run on emotions.If pre-teen toteenage girls could vote, the GOP would be in power forever.
Oh hell yes. Contrary to what the psychotic Righty bunch say the Left is NOT the 'emotional' side. The Left operates on the basis of intelligent logic with a healthy dose of REAL compassion thrown in whereas the Right operates with shrill smearing, lies, hypocrisy, and irrational 'thought processes' with PLENTY of HATE thrown into the mix.
Some contain information pointing to conservative misinformation, etc, but others border on whining by complaining about the framing of a question by a commentator, etc. Look at the posts, a lot of the posters come here with the sole purpose, it seems, of whining, while many others come here with the intent of engaging in civil discourse (you are numbered among the latter). There is plenty of whining from the right and the left, enough to drive antacid sales to record highs.
That would be inevitable if you are going to do this over the long haul. Framing however is a VERY important issue. We have let the right define the parameters of debate and the terms to our detriment. Framing is NOT trivial, it is important.
"...many others come here with the intent of engaging in civil discourse (you are numbered among the latter). "
I've worked hard at being a deranged troll, don't blow my rep.
Is dedicated to the fact the rightwing WONT STOP LYING. The world class snivelling by psychophants like you that this site exposes the dishonesty of the rightwing is deafening. WWAAAHHHH, its not fair, you cant expect us to sell our BS agenda without lying, cut us some slack WWWAAHHHH stop pointing out all the dishonesty you are ruining the game WWWAAHHHH, oh by the way YOU GUYS ARE WHINING. Your projection is like your capacity for self delusion, astonishing in its scope
Try laughing hysterically
This just goes to show how wussy the Republicans really are. Considering all of their bluster and macho talk, you would think that Republicans would have no problem answering any question, let alone this particular one. If the question had come from a straight Republican, would that make any difference?
Jeter can't stop whining anymore than his fellow repugs can. Just a bunch of crying, whining, white old scared men who don't understand the world of today.
After the WPE press conference today I think its safe to say most repugs either whine or lie. Both most of the time...
all i'm reading from this site is whining. accuse the other side of what you've been doing all along. speaking of...you finally mentioned limbaugh in a blog- he kind of disappeared from your site after he turned your lies into 4 million dollars. from a military family member... thanx mm!
on behalf of MMFA. It's unfortunate that it took completely exposing Rush as an un-American fraud and a liar to force him to con the dittoheads into chipping in for his defense fund.The upside is that the Oxymoron was forced to provide something besides lip-service to the troops.
Obviously, helping out the troops was pretty painful to Rush. He must be keeping his BS in check , as he hasn't been mentioned at MMFA much lately. But he'll be back, once the financial sting wears off and he gets comfortable.
actually he metions mm quite often... you wouldn't know because you only listen to clips provided by hillary inc. why don't you ask some people in the military if they feel more supported by rush or harry reid
"actually he metions mm quite often..."
I didn't say anything about Rush mentioning MMFA, I was pointing out that Rush hasn't been mentioned at MMFA much lately, probably as a result of his having to shell out a load of CYA money.
"...you wouldn't know because you only listen to clips provided by hillary inc."
I listen to Rush's show enough to know that Hillary Inc. is an imaginary entity that he's created to scare his sheep
"...why don't you ask some people in the military if they feel more supported by rush or harry reid"
I have family and friends in the military, not enough to make up a really scientific cross-section, but the ones I know are pretty bright and thoughtful people.The ones I've brought the subject up with generally consider Rush a phony blowhard.
I'm sure some of the younger more impressionable and uninformed members of our military who only listen to Rush may "feel" that he supports them. That's what he tells them. Again with the "feelings", you conservatives are so touchy-feely and emotional.
If it isn't terrorism, immigration or taxes it just doesn't exist for the rightwing. No wonder they get bitter when confronted with real life. Reality bites.
It is an important issue. The wingnut offers the choice of, silent acceptance, or whinning about it. This is simple framing. In the argument they activate nerual circuits. Some imping upon the conscious, some don't. Reguardless they affect how your "gut" feels about the parts and participents of the argument. You draw out negative images of your opponet through framing. On framing, I maybe repeating HBL, I'd like some positive labels for progressive types. Something beyond the choices of whinny wimp, or self evident threat to all"we" hold dear. An interesting article.
First, I don't recall Boehlert saying anything when the entire Democrat Party was too afraid to debate on the Fox News channel. (Talk about gut churning cowardice!)
Second, it's been said before but it's worth repeating - the entire MMFA project is based on whining like little girls over every little slight from the liberal MSM.
Third, Boehlert doesn't even understand that the PRIMARY DEBATES are held WITHIN the party. Geesshhh, I'm so embarrassed for Boehlert that I even have to explain this to him.
Care to comment on the Republicans' failure to show up for that Morgan State debate? What does THAT tell you?
The top contenders at the time, Rudy, Mitt and necomer Fred unfortuantely did not show. But the others did show up and answer the questions posed by the audience.(To my knowledge, no gay ex-military personnel jetted in by the organizers. )
Now regarding a visit to Fox by the democrat party candidates..........we could call it 'pre-season whining'.
""First, I don't recall Boehlert saying anything when the entire Democrat Party was too afraid to debate on the Fox News channel."
You must have a very short memory. It was in the very article you are commenting on.
Oh, I forgot, you never read what you comment upon before you shoot off your keyboard.
JusticeTruth and ProudConservative obviously didn't read this piece very well. The point was that GOPers whined when Dems asked questions at a GOP debate, but ALSO whined when Dems asked questions at a Democratic debate. If your argument had any intellectual consistency, then there wouldn't be any uproar over Dems asking questions at a Dem debate (which the GOP did, if you read the article!).
Why does this Primary-debates-are-only-for-the-party apply only to the GOP?!
I think the MM(very little) needs to understand that a debate held during the PRIMARY season is a party endeavor. A debate from either the democrat party, green party, Khmer Rogue party should be about the members of each of those parties. CNN advertised the You Tube debate as a Republican debate but obviously used their editorial bias to choose the questions they wanted to see asked of Republican candidates. They were not 'undecided voters' by any stretch of the imagination. The advertising was false and that is the gripe that the right had.
General Kerr was flown in for the debate and had to be a known quantity to CNN producers. The fact that quick googling found the others out too, shows how inept or deceitful the CNN production was.
I'd like to see the rejected questions to see how unbiased the decision-making process was for both debates.
So MM(vl), I'm always for honest and open debate, it shows to America what today's democrat party stands for versus the Republican party. We weren't whinning, just pointing out the double standard and allowing America to judge for itself the lack of honesty in the production of this debate. MM(vl), get a grip!
if you're trying to say that this site matters very little, that would be MMMVL or MMFAMVL. As you're writing it, it seems that you're saying that our free press is not very important.
You seem to have the "Democrat Party" gag down pretty pat, if you can perfect the "matters very little" part of this one-two comedy punch, you'll be golden.
Oh yeah, everything else in your post was dittohead bullsh*t, but keep them coming!
Huntingforarationalthought,
As much as I appreciate your efforts in helping me make a point, I cannot fully accept your criticisms. Obviously, I am intending to state that the efforts of this site are becoming less and less significant because of how porous its attempts are to claim media bias by the right and the efforts of MM(vl)'s sycophants to philosophically support lefist ideology.
While your comments about my acronym describing MM(vl) seem to be well intentioned, I feel my illustration is perfect because let's face it, this site has little to do with what America feels is important. So I will stick with the MM(vl) as an appropriate portrayal of Mr. Soros's work here.
As far as the 'democrat party thang', just think of me as the kid sitting in the back of the class throwing paper wads at the nerds seated in the front. If 'so sad for solong' never complained that I don't know how to spell the world's largest, nicest, kindest to puppies political party, it would leave he/she/it to have to search for another reason to post and what would be the fun of that?
As for response to the content of my post, 'dittohead BS' (shame, shame on the profanity) is a pretty lame response, wouldn't you agree? C'mon, throw some real meat, or high protein vegan acceptable edible material, into your next response!
Thanks for your interest in improving the clarity of my jabs shared on this board. It was Golden for sure!
regarding your request to "...throw some real meat...into your next response!", I wouldn't consider serving a big T-bone to a patient who can't keep a Saltine cracker down. Had you grasped the flaw in your MM(vl) acronym, I may have thought about moving you on to solid food, but you obviously aren't there yet.
Your spitwad analogy is interesting.Admitting that your contribution to this forum is comparable to a coward sitting in the back of the class, anonymously attacking the "nerds" (let me guess- the kids who were keeping up?) might seem pretty cool to a 7 or 8 year old, but is pretty embarrassing coming from what I'll assume is an adult.
A better analogy would be the really slow kid walking into the advanced class and crapping on the floor.
Distracting? Annoying? Disturbing, even? maybe all of the above. A source of great pride? I wouldn't consider it that, but you take your small victories where you can get them, I guess.
I look at your screen name, and try to imagine where you're getting all of this pride.
Is it in your complete lack of originality in writing "democrat party"
Your grammatical problem with understanding that mediamatters(verylittle) isn't really a jab at this site, but at the media?
In your delusion that when you act like an idiot, and people notice that you're acting like an idiot, you've made them look bad?
A lot to be proud of. You probably shouldn't expect anybody to offer you solid foods until you can stop choking up your own pablum.
As far as Solon's responses to the "democrat thang", I think you're suffering under the same misperception that some of the other wingnuts are, in accusing him of going crazy or being really angered by it. I get the feeling that Solon, like me, just gets a good laugh out of pointing out your predictable hackneyed jabs, and a bigger laugh at the fact you consider them effective.
Yes, you have a lot to be proud of. Seriously, the service you provide here is worth money. I'm just happy that you're completely oblivious to what your role is. If you were made aware of it, I'm sure you would stop posting out of humiliation.
Thank you . Now go hide in the back and make some spitwads.
Huntingforarationalthought,
I'll give you credit for coming out swinging! Your response was well....underwhelming.
One thing that makes visits here is as you said, "worth the money', is the vitriol a little tweaking gets in response. I love seeing how several of the regulars here have nothing but a bag of namecalling tricks to cut and paste here when small things seem to make them explode on screen. This is fun!
The other bit of tweaking I enjoy is making MM(vl) supporters actually have to provide some logic to show the rationale behind their beliefs. Wehn challenged however, more often than not the diatribe of mindless hate ensues. But sometimes, reasoned discussion can happen. When that happens, I am more than happy to put down the paperwads and engage the geeks in debate.
If you note in my first posting, I laid out a position of why the Republicans weren't whinning but responding to inferior and maybe deceptive programming by CNN. Once again the responses received had nothing to do with the content of what I posted, just some juvenile namecalling.
Most people do feel irritated, annoyed or disturbed when confronted with issues they cannot intelligently respond toor positions they can't reasonably defend. They call it denial or defense mechanisms in the world of therapy.
So, back to the original question, when simple background research by a few bloggers trumps the quality of production of a CNN debate, why does Boehlert see whinning? Yet MM(vl) whines everytime the press treats Mrs. Clinton as an adult and asks her a question that is a little tougher than the softballs usually thrown in her direction?
didn't expect you back.You do seem to be getting a little feistier .To your credit, you did clarify your point a bit;
"So, back to the original question, when simple background research by a few bloggers trumps the quality of production of a CNN debate..."
Of course, it's a question based on an idea you've been fed.To warrant an answer, you would first have to support the idea that the "background research" had any effect on the credibility of the debate.
I'll try to check back before this is archived, hope you give it a try. We may move you up to a mild soft cheese.
This is supposed to be a Republican debate with Republican audience members and so forth, and it was just -- I don't know. It was painful for me to watch, because what the overall impression was left here is the Republicans are a bunch of kooks, that conservatives are a bunch of oddballs simply by virtue of the questions that CNN chose, not by what our guys said. Rush Limbo
And I'll tell you why this bothers me. It bothers me because these are the type of questions that people love asking Republicans. They love getting [adopting a deep, serious voice] a strong military guy who's gay, God bless him, I love him, and then vilifying the Republican party. Joe Scarborough
DeLay accused CNN of colluding with the Democrats and worse. “CNN should have tied each one of the candidates to a post and let Code Pink come in and beat ‘em with sticks. That’s what this whole debate was about…. We have people in the national media that are coordinating with Democrats and Democrat campaigns, either directly or indirectly and you saw it in evidence last night. That’s what this is about.” Tom Delay
“Let me tell you what you’re missing here. We now have two cable channels both openly and brazenly, you know, activist organizations for Democrats here. And, you know, the issue is objectivity, it’s about fairness, it’s about being honest with your audience. Hannity
Sounds like one big whining party full of toddlers needing a nap.
As Jane Fleming Kleeb said, “The last time I checked, we’re a democracy. I’m a Democrat. If I want to vote for a Republican, I can. And I’m allowed to ask Republicans questions.”
The dear Jane Fleming Kleeb would be correct if this was about a.......... G-E-N-E-R-A-L E-L-E-C-T-I-O-N.
In a P-R-I-M-A-R-Y election cycle , each political party decides on its own candidate. Would it be fair for me to join in a democrat party primary election debate, make myself appear like a member of the democrat party so CNN would fly me to the debate site, have the democrat candidates view my 'you tube' video of me wearing a tinfoil hat (again trying to look like a real democrat) and ask questions about how Bush and the tri-lateral comission blew up the twin towers and are hiding the airliner passengers in Canada*?
Then I say that I am choosing Josef Stalin instead of Joe Lieberman? No it wouldn't be fair because this is P-R-I-M-A-R-Y season and I am not a member of the democrat party. Besides, Senator Lieberman doesn't represent the democrat party as well as Josef does.
If CNN wants to host a political party debate, do not say that the questions are from members of the same party and that the questions chosen were representative of the party debating. They end up looking foolish and trust me, Republicans are not whinning, just trying to show through rudimentary research what really happened.
[link to 911review.org]
You're absolutely correct: the Republicans are not 'WINNING'.
Leave the 'H' out... no 'H' in that word... spell the word correctly.
“The last time I checked, we’re a democracy.
Please, attempt to see the difference between primary and general elections....
And the truth is, we are not a democracy but a representative republic.
Somehow debating before a bunch of, essentialy, neocon operatives seemed like a really stupid thing to do. I salute the intelligence that refused to do it. Define or give examples of liberal MSM. Time Magazine, who will not allow Democratic legislators to appear in their letters section to refute an article? CNN, who lately seem to be into racist enabling? You're an embaressment, your framing is rejected.
The debates were a sham, and the fact that you blow this off as "whining" shows how clueless liberals are about these kinds of hoaxes.
has anybody ever told you what a whiner you are?
LOL Hey was Larry "toe tapping" Craig invited?
What's your stance on stances?
The debate was a sham. Anytime a Republican opens their mouth the con game is on.
The fact that you can't feel the tremors of contempt for freedom of expression radiating from the Republicans shows the cluelessness of the radical minority.
I love you guys, but by posting the offending blogger's post and including all the information that you say was inappropriate to include, you perpetuate what you're criticizing.
Did the sun rise this morning?
If so, then, no, they haven't.
This has been...
Yes, let's PLEASE have a do-over. It'd be yet another chance for the Republican candidates to make utter fools of themselves and further discredit the GOP.
Besides Countdown can you name a single person or show on MSNBC that is not dominated by Consevative hosts. Are you really saying that the extraordinary Russert and Williams vendetta against Mrs. Clinton was the work of 'legitimate journalists and a legitimate news organization.' You compare the cream puff treatment Matthews gives to Rudy's real scandals with the time Matthews spends spitting about Mrs. Clinton's clapping.
Geesh.
WHS
The Iowa debate on NPR was awesome and offered the sharp contrast of ideas and proposals of seven statesmen to the fear, violence and hatred that form the foundation of the Republican clash of sound bites.
Control of the debates should be given back to the League of Women Voters to work in conjunction with NPR. Let the networks air real news for a change instead of infotainment.
OK, we have a candidate who thinks that the world was created five thousand - or is it six, I forget - years ago, another who wears magic underwear, another who, when not a war monger is a whore monger (sorry Judy baby) and best buds with a crook (sorry Bernie baby) and a pedophile (sorry Monsignor Placa, baby raper), sooo the only question is, are the Republicans who still support this party, this administration, this batch of pathetic idiots, just stupid? Or are they as crazy as their leadership.
Fortunately for the two party system, we Democrats seem hell bent on turning it into an actual race by, for example, doing our best to self-destruct in such key states as Florida by disenfranchising delegates (and thus the voters) over... wait for it..., what day to hold the Primary on!
No wonder the average IQ is still 100.
Brez