Media Matters; by Jamison Foser
Spoiling for a fight
In the days leading up to the October 30 Democratic presidential debate in Philadelphia, you could hardly turn on the television or read a newspaper without encountering a reference to the "inevitability" of Hillary Clinton's bid for her party's nomination. The Chicago Tribune called her campaign "the inevitability express"; Sean Hannity declared that "[i]t appears Hillary is the inevitable nominee for the Democrats"; The Washington Post referred to her "fortified sense of inevitability"; Tucker Carlson added that "Hillary is inevitable. Everybody is on her side. You can't stop her, don't bother even to try."
The hype all seemed too silly to be sincere: Clinton's opponents for the Democratic nomination include Barack Obama, who has been electrifying audiences since his breakthrough keynote address at the 2004 Democratic convention and who has raised more than $80 million, and John Edwards, the party's 2004 vice presidential nominee -- not to mention a field that includes at least two other candidates who would likely be among the front-runners in any other year. Against such a field, it seems laughable to declare any candidate the "inevitable" victor two months before the first vote is cast.
So what was all that talk about "inevitability" really about?
Maybe it reflected the impression the Clinton campaign itself was trying to create; political reporters and pundits have long ascribed that strategy to the campaign even as candidate and staff insisted they weren't taking anything for granted.
But maybe it was something else. Take a look at how some of the nation's most influential journalists have described their profession in the past:
Gloria Borger: "We take people to the top of the mountain and then once we get them to the top of the mountain, it's our job to knock them down." [9/10/06]
Brian Williams: "[I]t does seem true over the years that the news media almost reserve the right to build up and tear down and change their minds and like an underdog." [9/21/00]
Howard Fineman: "We want a race, I suppose. If we have a bias of any kind, it's that we like to see a contest, and we like to see it down the end if we can. And I think that's partly the psychology at play here." [9/21/00]
Many in the media certainly seemed to be building Clinton up prior to the Philadelphia debate -- though it should be noted that they were doing so strictly in a horse-race context. Clinton wasn't getting the kind of fawning media coverage that George W. Bush, John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, and Mike Huckabee have enjoyed at various points in recent years. The storyline wasn't that Clinton is a "straight-talker" or someone you'd "want to have a beer with" or an apolitical "maverick" with "folksy charm."
Instead, media built her up as "inevitable."
Were they doing so simply so they could knock her down? Here's The Washington Post's Anne Kornblut, only moments after Tucker Carlson called Clinton "inevitable" on the October 26 edition of MSNBC's Tucker:
KORNBLUT: I have to say we in the media are spoiling for a fight. Usually we are biased in favor of a good tussle at about this point. ... I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere between now and January 3, now that we know that's when the Iowa caucuses are going to be, to see some kind of reverse, some kind of Obama surge or an Edwards surge. Something that is going to knock Hillary down a few pegs. Whether it's a media creation, or something that actually happens on the ground. I would be shocked if there were nothing like that.
Precisely seven weeks later, to judge by the polls and especially the media, something certainly has "knock[ed] Hillary down a few pegs." As Kornblut recognized, the question wasn't whether it would happen, but when it did happen, whether it would be a "media creation" or the result of something that actually happened. But, of course, that's a false choice -- the most likely answer is that it was all of the above: legitimate missteps by Clinton and her campaign, good performances by Obama, Edwards, and their respective campaigns, and some "media creation," all converging during the same two-month period.
The candidates' performance is for others to assess; our interest is in the "media creation" side of things.
Media coverage of Clinton and her campaign has been strikingly negative since the Philadelphia debate. Unlike coverage of her two closest rivals, Obama and Edwards, that negative coverage doesn't seem to have been as concentrated on a few topics or themes.
Over the past year, Obama has faced a barrage of smears suggesting he is somehow un-American -- false claims about his religion, too-cute-by-half efforts to emphasize his middle name, and ridiculous commentary on his wardrobe. These smears have thrived in the right-wing media and even further under the radar via chain emails of uncertain origin, but they've been helped along by establishment media jokes and botched attempts to debunk the smears.
Likewise, John Edwards faced a barrage of simply ridiculous news coverage of his hair, his house, and his alleged hypocrisy -- allegations of which were based on reporters' fundamental misunderstanding of what the word means -- all of which, the media told us, proved he was a big phony. It was nonsense, but it was relentless nonsense for several months earlier this year, before seeming to subside. (The Washington Post, apparently looking to regain its status as the worldwide leader in haircut journalism, resurrected the nonsense by mentioning Edwards' trim in four different pieces in the paper's December 11 edition.)
Compared to the media smears of Obama and Edwards, coverage of Clinton over the past several weeks hasn't been as overtly negative -- nobody is hinting that her religious views and sartorial choices betray a deep anti-Americanism, for example. Instead, she has faced weeks of relentlessly negative coverage about an ever-changing array of topics, large and (mostly) small and often quite baseless; a steady, dull drumbeat of critical reporting and speculation.
It all seemed to start with Clinton's performance in that Philadelphia debate, which the media quickly declared to be a "disaster" and talked about seemingly 'round the clock for weeks. Considerably less attention was paid to the fact that her struggles in that debate came in response to false and misleading questions from the debate's moderator, Tim Russert, who misquoted her previous statements as well as his own. The Annenberg Center's nonpartisan FactCheck.org website ultimately agreed that Russert had been "breathtakingly misleading." Russert's fellow journalists -- the ones Anne Kornblut admitted just a few days earlier were "spoiling for a fight" -- responded by praising his performance and ridiculing Clinton.
One of the more contrived Clinton storylines the media have played up in recent weeks is the idea that if she were elected, there would be some grave crisis provoked by having "two presidents" in the White House. This theme seems to have started with Sally Bedell Smith, who invoked the "extraordinary" complications such a situation would present -- something, Smith gravely noted, "people have not focused on" until she brought it to our attention. Smith brought this up again and again on television, radio, and in print while promoting her recent book about Bill and Hillary Clinton, For Love of Politics.
Smith and her book were warmly embraced by much of the media. Chris Matthews welcomed her to Hardball with a friendly "Sally, old buddy"; CBS anchor Harry Smith called her book "meticulous"; and the Houston Chronicle declared it "well-written and detail-rich."
"Meticulous" might not be the best description of Smith's book; as Media Matters detailed this week, For Love Of Politics is filled with errors large and small, from her apparent wholesale fabrication of quotes attributed to John Podesta that appear neither in the source material she cited nor in any source available on Nexis or retrievable via Google, to her repetition of the long-ago-debunked myth that Bill Clinton delayed air traffic at the Los Angeles airport while getting a haircut, to her false claim that Bill Clinton didn't mention the minimum-wage increase during his 1996 Democratic convention speech.
That last one was so transparently false -- quick, try to think of a Democratic presidential nominee who hasn't talked about the minimum wage -- that it almost wasn't worth checking. But we did; it took about 11 seconds to prove Smith wrong. Go to Google; type "Bill Clinton 1996 Democratic convention speech"; click on the first result -- a transcript available via PBS -- and search for "minimum wage."
That's what passes for "meticulous" these days -- a book that contains quotes that seem to be made up out of whole cloth and highly implausible claims that can be debunked in less time than it takes to type this sentence.
But Sally Bedell Smith wasn't just greeted with open arms by her "old buddy" Chris Matthews; her "two presidents" theme was eagerly repeated by other journalists.
On NBC's Meet the Press, Smith wondered "if we're going to have two presidents in the White House, who's going to be in charge" -- as though the military wouldn't know whom to take orders from. On that same program, Smith told viewers that Bill Clinton "reads all the books and underlines them for her. I mean, she relies on him for so much." On CBS, she suggested that the Clintons are skirting the Constitution: "[W]e have a 22nd Amendment that precludes a president from serving more than two terms, and it might not be too far-fetched to say that this is a sort of end run." In an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal, she conceded that "Mr. Clinton's return to the West Wing wouldn't directly violate the 22nd Amendment" but darkly warned that it would have "significant implications" nonetheless.
Silly as it may seem to wonder "who's going to be in charge" with "two presidents in the White House" -- one of them, most people understand, would actually be an ex-president and, as such, would not exactly have access to the nuclear launch codes -- others began professing to share Smith's concern.
And in typical Beltway media fashion, they pretended that it wasn't merely their concern -- no, despite voluminous evidence to the contrary, they insisted that the American people shared this concern.
Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer -- whose column is carried in 110 newspapers with a combined circulation of nearly 12 million -- devoted his November 2 column to "The Real Hill-Bill Problem." In doing so, he led off with what might just be the most implausible claim made by a media figure all year:
Americans don't normally take much notice of Argentine elections. But they did notice when Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, wife of President Nestor Kirchner, was elected to succeed him on Sunday, ensuring not just a co-presidency but the prospect of alternating presidencies as far as the eye can see.
I've seen no polling to back this up, but I'd be shocked if even 10 percent of Americans "did notice" that Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner was elected president of Argentina in October. Yet Charles Krauthammer claims that Americans -- not just a handful of Americans, mind you: Americans -- took notice of Argentina's presidential elections because "[t]he Argentine example is a pretty vivid dramatization of the Clintons' intentions -- and of the cloud hovering over the current Clinton candidacy."
Krauthammer, who worked as a resident in psychiatry in the late 1970s, once declared, "It looks as if Al Gore has gone off his lithium again." In light of Krauthammer's willingness to diagnose Gore based on a speech, it seems only reasonable to note that his column about the Clintons and Argentina appears to be a textbook case of projection -- projection that continued well beyond his fanciful image of millions of Americans huddled around the television anxiously awaiting Argentine election results. Krauthammer continued:
Which is why Hillary's problem goes beyond discomfort with dynastic succession. It's deep unease about a shared presidency. Forget about Bill, the bad boy. The problem is William Jefferson Clinton, former president of the United States, commander in chief of the armed forces, George Washington's representative on Earth.
We have never had an ex-president move back into the White House. When in 1992 Bill Clinton promised "two for the price of one," it was taken as a slightly hyperbolic promotion of the role of first lady. This time we would literally be getting two presidents.
Well, sure, literally. But not really. We would really have a president and a former president. In the context of discussing the Al Haig question -- who's in charge in the White House? -- that Krauthammer and Smith are raising, this is a little like pretending there would be some confusion about whether a medical doctor or a doctor of divinity should perform open-heart surgery. Sure, they're both "doctors," but the staff is going to have a pretty good idea whom to take directions from.
More Krauthammer:
Americans did not like the idea of a co-presidency when, at the 1980 Republican convention, Ronald Reagan briefly considered sharing the office with former president Gerald Ford. (Ford would have been vice president with independent powers.) And they won't like this co-presidency, particularly because the Clinton partnership involves two characters caught in the dynamic of a strained, strange marriage.
Neat trick Krauthammer pulled there, isn't it? Americans did not like the actual co-presidency Reagan considered, in which his vice president would have had "independent powers." But that's nothing like the Clintons' situation.
Still, Smith found more converts to her wholly made-up cause. Author and former Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich -- who, to be fair, knows a little something about what Americans don't like -- raised the question on ABC's Good Morning America: "[D]o you really want two presidents in the White House?" And Krauthammer's fellow Washington Post columnist David Ignatius chimed in with his own projection-filled column asserting that there is a "nagging uneasiness" among voters about the " 'two presidents' issue" -- an uneasiness that is contradicted by polling conducted by his own newspaper, which found that 60 percent of Americans are comfortable with "the idea of Bill Clinton back in the White House."
This week's coverage of Hillary Clinton has prominently featured two storylines that may well have basis in reality, but that have been greatly blown out of proportion.
One is that the Clinton campaign is on the verge of a staff shake-up. Maybe such a shake-up is imminent; maybe it isn't. But one thing is clear: Media attention given to the topic has far outpaced the available evidence.
The story seems to have started with columnist Al Hunt, who wrote on December 10: "It's a good bet that Clinton, encouraged by her husband, is weighing a shakeup, such as bringing in former White House Chief of Staff John Podesta to direct the overall campaign. The question is whether it's too late and too awkward before those first contests, which are to be held in 3 1/2 weeks."
Note that not only did Hunt not reference a single source, he doesn't even report that this is being considered; he simply asserts that "it's a good bet."
Thin stuff -- but this unsourced, speculative throwaway line near the end of Hunt's column was followed two days later by a Newsday article headlined "Clinton insiders question top aide's approach." Nearly 500 words later, Newsday had cited "sources familiar with the situation" and claimed that "some say" and quoted a "top Clinton ally" and relied on the impressively vague "sources say" -- but the newspaper hadn't quoted or paraphrased or even referenced a single named source in support of its portrayal of campaign infighting.
That same day, the New York Daily News ran an article declaring "Bubba to the rescue! Alarmed by his wife's slide in the polls and disarray within her backbiting campaign, a beside-himself Bill Clinton has leaped atop the barricades and is furiously plotting a cure - or coup." According to the Daily News, "Several other Hillary Clinton partisans ... aren't so shy about critiquing the performance of her campaign - and predict a major staff purge is inevitable."
But apparently they are "shy" -- the Daily News, like Newsday and Al Hunt, didn't have a single named source criticizing the performance of the campaign, or predicting (or advocating) a "staff purge."
Clinton "partisans," the Daily News breathlessly told us, "aren't so shy" about criticizing her campaign and predicting a staff shake-up. Then the Daily News gave us a bunch of anonymous quotes.
Newsday and the Daily News clearly had sources -- maybe even very good sources. But there are all kinds of reasons why a source might tell a reporter that a campaign shake-up is being considered. Without a single person willing to discuss it on the record, and without sources described in vague terms like "Clinton partisans" and "sources familiar with the situation" and even "sources say," it's impossible for a reader to assess the credibility of the stories, or the motivations of the "sources." And yet these flimsy stories led to days of media speculation about a campaign in turmoil -- the kinds of stories that have a way of coming true.
Finally, the past 24 hours have featured a barrage of news reports claiming that Clinton pollster Mark Penn "on his own brought up" speculation about Obama's teenage drug use during a Thursday appearance on Hardball. The controversy began when Bill Shaheen, a Clinton campaign co-chair, made speculative comments about Obama -- comments the campaign denounced -- and Shaheen stepped down. Penn appeared on Hardball along with Edwards campaign strategist Joe Trippi and Obama campaign strategist David Axelrod. Afterward, MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell asserted that Penn "once again brought up cocaine -- twice" and later claimed that Penn "on his own brought up cocaine." Others, including New York Times reporter Kit Seeyle, similarly suggested that Penn brought the topic up out of the blue.
In fact, Penn didn't bring the topic up; he was responding to a question about it by Chris Matthews. And by the time Penn first spoke, the entire conversation had been about the drug controversy. Greg Sargent explained:
[I]f you watch the actual exchange, which is posted over at Taylor Marsh's site, you see that virtually the entire segment was about the drug flap, and that they'd been talking about the drug thing for literally minutes before Penn said "cocaine." Even if you want to read something into Penn using the word "cocaine," rather than "drug," failing to tell readers that this whole conversation was about the drug flap is a blatant misrepresentation of what happened. And no, slugging this a "news analysis" doesn't make it okay -- this is a factual misrepresentation, and it is the key piece of evidence offered to support the entire speculative premise of the piece, i.e., that the Hillary camp wants to keep this alive.
Look, a lot of people probably think the Hillary camp does want to keep this alive. I happen not to think this -- it's obvious to me that they see this issue as a big loser for them and want it to go away -- but lots of folks probably think they do want to. And few people will care about this because Penn is such a loathed figure. But it matters when crap like this is published, and even Penn and the Hillary campaign deserve to be treated by The Times with a modicum of fairness and journalistic integrity. And in this case, they weren't.
As Sargent noted, if people want to read something nefarious into Penn's use of the specific word, they can do so -- maybe there was something nefarious there; we can't really know for certain one way or another. What we can know for certain is what the video quite clearly shows: Mark Penn simply did not bring this topic up out of the blue; to suggest otherwise, as O'Donnell and Seeyle have done, is false. In fact, in response to the first question he was asked about the topic, Penn seemed to be trying to change the focus of the conversation away from the drug controversy. The only words he said about the matter were: "So, I'm really disappointed. I think this thing with Billy Shaheen, he's stepped down. It was never a part of this campaign. It was unacceptable."
It was Chris Matthews who insisted on continuing the focus on the controversy, not Mark Penn. The video and transcript are as clear as can be.
And given that the Clinton campaign had already been getting a great deal of negative attention for Shaheen's comments, that the controversy was hurting Clinton, it seems far-fetched to think that Mark Penn would try to extend the controversy.
In predicting nearly two months ago that something "is going to knock Hillary down a few pegs," The Washington Post's Anne Kornblut wondered whether it would be "a media creation, or something that actually happens on the ground." The Shaheen-Penn controversy establishes that it really isn't an either-or situation: Shaheen's comments were real and were almost certainly a mistake that hurt Clinton. Yet the controversy continued, and probably continued to hurt Clinton, as a result of a phony media creation about Mark Penn's comments.
None of this by itself -- not Sally Bedell Smith's strange "two presidents" fixation, not a few days of poorly sourced media speculation about a Clinton campaign staff shake-up, not a series of false claims about Mark Penn's comments on Hardball -- comes close to the magnitude of the media smears of Obama's patriotism or relentless portrayal of Edwards as a phony because of his haircuts. But added together, and combined with countless other examples of flawed and negative coverage of Clinton over the past seven weeks, they constitute a suffocating barrage of hostile coverage that may be every bit as damaging.
The media were "spoiling for a fight," Anne Kornblut revealed seven weeks ago. And, as is now clear, they picked one.















Speaking of "Spoiling For A Fight"... Fox News just posted a story that came up as the top story on my Google News homepage titled “Why Are The Wheels Coming Off The Clinton Bandwagon” written by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann. (Fair and Balance I'm sure.) They use Digg for their comments (“Digg This!” link is at bottom of page; a Digg account is free via email confirmation link) - and of course the 1st comment in there was some ecstatic wingnut basking in it. I had to put in my $.02. It wouldn't surprise me if it was removed by now knowing how Fox Fascists don't allow dissent. You think there we might run into a few of our not-so-friendly conservative friends who like to post at MMFA?
The media's take on Hilary has been pretty interesting lately. A while back, they were really basking in her low approval ratings(Not approval, I guess, but the stats on who would not vote for her).Even as they trumpeted these stats, it was always pretty obvious that they were scared of her as a real contender.
I've been listening to a lot of the very far-right media lately (am radio and Fox), and I'm hearing some of the most reasonable, intelligent commentary I've ever heard from those sources- about Obama and Edwards.
I have to admit, while they're usually pretty transparent, I'm having trouble figuring out what the media's exact plan is.
It could be that when Hillary was riding that "inevitability" wave, the GOPpers thought they just had to hammer her for a year or so. It looks like now they may be trying to knock her out of the top spot in time to get plenty of smear time in on the next front-runner Dem.
It's going to be an interesting election year, no matter what.
Here's their strategy: the Right would love to knock Hillary out of the running and have Obama be the nominee. Reason? They know he's unelectable. He'd never win. He's their dream candidate, and that of the MSM, too.
Big question: just why AREN'T we talking about Obama's possible drug history right now? What if Hillary had been rumored to have been a dealer in high school? What are we gonna do, wait until he's the nominee and then have the Right bring it up?
I remember reading that Kruthhammer article, if I remember right, it was printed opposite a column by Robert "I helped in outing an undercover CIA agent" Novak......
I made sure that I wasn't drinking my coffee as I read either one, for fear of getting some in my nose.
As for the useless coroprate media and many of their minions, you would think it would be in their collective best interest to play nice with any of the Democrats..... especially from their point of view Hillary?
Are the media this stupid to think that by beating up on Hillary, we Democrats are going to pull together and vote for her on sympathy?
Could that be it..................?
1) Build up Hillary, while hoping that none of Republicans make fools of themselves
2) Knock Hillary down when they do
3) Talk as if Hillary's nod is a sure win for the Republican but deny that they are doing so while making up or bringing up debunked crap.
4) Keep that going while bringing out every slimy charactor that is willing to say anything new or old negative whatever about Hillary for $$, which they think will garner sympathy votes from us for Hill
5) Hope and pray that Hill gets the nod, so that when she is defeated the corporate media can keep doing whatever it is that they do (me thinks they are putting all their eggs in one basket?)
6) Don't these people remember that it was Bill that allowed these corporate clowns to be able to act they way they do.....
The Telecommunications Act of 1996....... the sperm (no pun intended) that brought life to FOX Noise.........
Sheesh....... you'd think these people would be a bit more grateful!
It's worth noting that Matthews advanced the co-president meme when he said "The Clintons" in reference to the coming election.
Obvioiusly the "inevitability" story arose from early polling, not any media plot. Aside from Joe Lieberman changing his affiliation and running, there is no democrat the media would actually favor when the chips are down.
More importantly, we again see clear examples of how the top echelon of our media is made up of people dumber than anyone reading this. They have no expertise in anything, their opinions carry no more weight than your coworker's, and they are not worth a second of your time.
The media is too far gone to fix. They must be ignored until they are speaking into a vacuum.
Ignoring massmind media is my longstanding manner, counting the money my budget saves from buying none, all the way to the bank. I cancelled my 32-year NYTimes subscription the second they said the Twin Towers and that third skyscraper, which blew half of all mass into an upwelling cloud of toxic dust powder a mile around, had squished floors beneath 'pancaking.' But that's just my personal engineer training knowing definite MEDIA LYING.
Lately there has come consideration in some District Attorney's quarters, (Oregon), of escalating civil efforts beyond passive boycotting massmedia, to proscecution, arrest, imprisonment, etc.
The discussions are being seeded in a spreading recognition that 1930s nazi massmedia figures were charged at Nuremberg, and convicted, for lies, false reporting, using instruments of aggression, propagandizing for violations of Human Rights, and such. Media criminals not using firearms or physical force had no defense in that regard, and went to prison for words published and broadcast.
Where today's media are unfixably broken, it can mean the living room screens go black and sidewalk newspaper boxes sit empty. DA's discuss a start of media-employee indictments and prosecutions.
Welcome to the "Crazy Club".
I am the charter member on this site, but welcome others who do not buy the 9-11 picture drawn to placate the public. Even if Bungle's Boyz had nothing to do with the event, the mass of the dust cloud plus the molten steel in the basement six weeks after the collapse, just overwhelm the claims that the 3 towers "just fell down".
there is zero evidence that the twin towers were blown up. where is the physical evidence? there is none.
MEFIRST:
The circumstantial evidence centers around physics and experience. What would you EXPECT to see happen, were the TYPES of airplanes, explosions, and fires to hit the TYPE of buildings involved?
More evidence is the film footage of the event. For example, an explosion occured four floors BELOW the airplane crash, a long while after the initial impact. For example, a third building in the complex with the towers ALSO exploded and collapsed into its own "footprint". What caused THAT? No airplane struck IT.
Playing devil's advocate here, the "investigations" were of course controlled by the government, and the government decides what the public needs to know (to prevent panic, for example). What you "KNOW" about "evidence" is not based on any of your own personal knowledge ... you were told by people AUTHORIZED to tell you. You may believe it is OK to simply TRUST them and what they tell you. You might be wrong in that trust.
In ANY aspect of life, you do well to reject "circular reasoning", which goes like this: "How do we know the airplanes caused the towers to collapse? Because the airplanes hit, and the towers collapsed." That sort of "reasoning" is deeply flawed on every level.
Another factor to consider is, has the authority that tells you what happened HERE, given you straight information on OTHER issues (such as Iraq having WMDs). If the answer is 'NO', then you would do well to be very skeptical of what they tell you is true.
Yet ANOTHER factor is to consider who BENEFITS from any event. It's basic police procedure, to consider MOTIVE. You might be aware, the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) group, back in the 90's, laid out their global plan for "fixing" the world. PNAC boasted all high-level Republicans and actually DEFINED "NeoCons". Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz and many others are members (and found themselves in positions of great POWER with the Bush Administration, with all the tools of government at their disposal, including covert ops with like-thinking conservative "vision").
PNAC declared that, in order to get the American people on board with their plans of restructuring the world ... particularly the Middle East ... there would need to be a "Pearl Harbor-like event". 9/11 certainly answered their prayers. Coincidence? Most police investigators don't believe in it.
Police investigations of a crime, be it murder or a bombing or whatever, focus on MOTIVE, MEANS, and OPPORTUNITY.
HYPOTHETICALLY, if you look to Cheney (for example) as a suspect, he had every aspect for being a PRIME suspect, and due to be subjected to the most rigorous in-depth investigation. Did it HAPPEN? Don't be naive. No.
Religious and political zealots believe they are always right, correct, and also believe whatever they do is for a better world. The ENDS justify the MEANS for these people, who usually claim divine guidance. They believe the old saying, "You gotta break some eggs to make an omelet," and that you have to be willing to make sacrifices and take casualties in the short run to win the bigger battles and goals.
With this mindset of "doing God's work", there is virtually NOTHING that could not be justified as being "for the cause".
Having said all this, we will probably NEVER know what actually happened on 9/11. But there is certainly abundant reasonable doubt and circumstantial evidence to question the "official" version.
building 7 fell long after the twin towers. since it was right next to them, it's not too hard to believe that it was badly damaged by the collapse of the much larger buildings and the subsequent fires. they waited until 5 in the afternoon to blow that one up? i know all about pnac and those people were more than happy to use 9-11. that does not prove they blew up the towers. the fact is that almost no one from above the point of impact survived, which proves that the central supporting columns that surrounded the emergency stairways were badly damaged, because the stairs were all but impassable. it would also take a huge amount of explosive to do what is claimed. there is no evidence that there were any explosives, other than conjecture. common sense would tell you that some kind of physical evidence would survive or have been seen. i really don't find it so hard to believe that a huge airliner loaded with fuel, hitting directly at 500 mph, could cause massive damage, weakening the column supports and causing the collapse we saw.
"So what was all that talk about "inevitability" really about?"
Hey, idiot, it was about the fact that hillary is going to get the nomination. I can't wait until she does, and all this writing was for nothing.
Judging from previous commentary you've posted in this blog, I think I'd not be so quick to address someone else as "idiot".
WOW, why is a moron like YOU calling someone else an idiot. MY Schnauzer is smarter than you will EVER be.
This is why I'm finding it increasingly difficult to take Media Matters seriously. Okay, I get it! You guys like Hillary in the primary! But, please, don't insult our intelligence in this way!
The Clintons have indisputably been the BENEFICIARIES of the "inevitability" meme. Nobody from the Hillary camp tried to pop that balloon when it was serving their purposes. No, rather than that, we had people on the blogs chastising those of us that criticized Hillary for her hawkish votes for using Republican talking points or being purists or wanting us to lose in the general election. The implicit premise in all this, of course, is that she was "inevitable" and so we should all just shut the F up and rally around the nominee of the party. After all, they're the Clintons. That's like being an incumbent!
But now, when all that air leaks out of the balloon at the worst possible moment, it's the media's fault for hyping Hillary. Can you see for even one moment how totally absurd that has to sound to anybody with a rational mind? You're accusing the media of giving Hillary a year of good press so that it would hurt her numbers even more when she did decline in the polls.
Here's a thought: If her poll numbers were this vulnerable to a few pinpricks, they were never REAL to begin with. They were always a fiction. They may have helped Hillary raise money. They may have helped her gain credibility. But they never really represented supporters. Just conventional wisdom tag-alongs.
That's not the media's fault, Jamison dude. That's the fault of Mark Penn's vacuous campaign.
And let's not leave out Kyl-Liebeman either.
I hope Hillary gets the nomination. There's no other Dem candidate out there that we can be as sure of beating in November. Well, maybe Al Gore, or Dennis Kucinich, but not even Democrats are that silly.
ED, I almost hate to break it to you, but you and your silly lot aren't going to beat any Democratic candidate for president next November. Just how stupid do you think the American people are, anyway? Granted, your Politics of Ugly have worked in the past two elections, but do you really expect that to go on forever?
Don't be too sure, DM. There are a lot of people as stoopid or stoopider than John(#s) and Edelweiss,and many of them get everything they know from the mainstream media.
I hope the Dems nominate somebody other than Hillary, but if she's the pick, there are a good number of voters who will respond to what the media tells them about cackles and Chinese clapping.
I agree dmcc9995. Keep in mind that Hillary’s 2002 election to the senate was filled with similar misconceptions and attacks - and was no cakewalk either.
I hope that she can do the same thing to win the nation’s vote as she did in NY in 2002. She turned her publically perceived persona as a generally negative polarizing figure pre-2002 into a 67% popular vote victory in her reelection in 2006, winning in 58 of 62 counties.
Like she herself has pointed out, the reason for the negativity is that the voters “just don’t know her”. All they know of her is the drivel being propagated by the media – especially the wingnuts at Fox News (and now it seems CNN) . The reality is that Republicans are scared $.hitless of the repercussions that the past 20 years of Clinton bashing would bring upon the Republican Party should she win.
As Hillary “hits the road” across the country over the next 11 months, more and more Americans will get to see and know the real Hillary. The negative brainwashing will be replaced with an education of the facts behind her many accomplishments and visions – and many Americans will start looking at her as the best chance of getting anyone who really cares about issues that are important to their lives back into the White House, cackles or no cackles.
No Republican alive could beat Al Gore. You guys are so brainwashed. Get used to it the next president will be a Democrat. The GOP has proven they cannot govern and the party is circling the drain. The GOP may as well write this election off RIGHT NOW. You will be lucky if the American people trust the GOP again for a generation. The catastrophe that walks like a man AKA Bush has sunk you guys badly.
Republicans might have prevented 9/11 if Junior and Condi noticed the PDB “Osama wants to fly planes into buildings” but they were more concerned with hyping the removal of “W” keys from White House computers by the Clinton administration, which never happened. Maybe if Junior had not tried to run the country like a corporation, vacationing the entire month of August. Unfortunately the country faired like all of Juniors business ventures, complete failure. One would think that with no success in the corporate world someone would have explained to Junior that running the country is 24/7 job, far different than a running a corporation. Afghanistan is where Osama is hiding. Junior goes there and (after trying to make the country believe that Clinton missed an opportunity to get him thereby making him responsible for 9/11), Junior missed his opportunity to get him. Does he continue to go after the mastermind of 9/11? Nah, he goes off to Iraq. Iraq he says has WMD’s and the possible nuclear ability, mushroom clouds and all that, remember? Got to take America's mind off the fact that HE let the mastermind of 9/11 get away. Well of course Iraq had nothing of the sort and since Junior couldn’t keep beating that dead horse, he changed the mission to Iraq freedom, trying to make it appear that young Americans were dying for a noble cause and not HIS failure as a President. Over 4 years later, over 3,800 American lives lost, over 20,000 wounded, 10,000 severely wounded and billions of taxpayers money given to private companies,(gotta give back something for those campaign contributions), and billions lost, Republicans are trying to claim success. Oh and lets not leave out the billions of dollars paid to Pakistan to do what Junior couldn’t do, find the mastermind of 9/11. By the way where is Osama?…In Gitmo?…..Dead?…. Nah he’s still alive and living at the same address he’s always had.
Let’s take just a small look at the Republican congress. Never found a single bill they and Junior didn’t like at least as long as they held power. Spending?.... Picture Friday night, a sailor just got paid and a hooker bar within walking distance. That’s the Republican congress. Corruption?..... Never meet a bribe or shady deal that Republicans could say no to. Sex scandals?...... Straight, Bi or Gay can only say “no” to those in public but in private, hey that's OK….. Let’s just describe them as “all night long”. Oh and I can’t leave out wiretapping of American citizens before 9/11 or torture and removing US attorney who would not cooperate with the Republican plan of power and control, outing of an American CIA officer and the list goes on. Saddam controlled his people “for their own good” and Junior is spying, lying and torturing… “for our own good”. I don’t see them as being any different.
I want the Dems in congress to get as nasty as Republicans but no matter what they don’t do and no matter what “poll” numbers say NOTHING can compare to the last 7 years under a Republican Presient and a Republican congress, NOTHING!
It is plain that you have been infected by the same disease as I: the wiretapping began at least by April before 9-11 - and I believe, based upon credible leaks to British press, was launched on or prior to, Bungle's inaugural. The story goes that Darth Vader / Cheney spent the last week of December, 2000, setting up with his buddies a the NSA, the outline of the surveillance, The launch could have been as early as mid-January - or maybe actually did wait until April to pul together the means (sure it did).
You almost forgot...not only did we not catch Osama, Bush now "doesn't really spend that much time on him." If that doesn't make your blood boil, you're a snowman.
Is the purpose of this article to deflect responsibility for the Hilary campaign and put blame on the media for her down fall in the polls? It just looks like Media Matters is trying to come up with some conspiracy within the media. As the article states, it is Hilary’s actions that have her in trouble with the voters. It is not so cleaver that MM acknowledges this, but quickly moves on with this conspiracy theory that the use of “reverse psychology” in the media is to blame for her resent down turn in the polls. It seems that every time Hilary is in the spot light her numbers dwindle. I admit I do not like her for President, but I do think she has the best chance to win the Democratic Nomination. Winning the Presidency is another story. This article is a whole lot of filler and speculation and there is no substance to why she is dwindling in the polls.
I don't see the purpose of this article in that light. I don't think the purpose of MMfA is to advocate anyone's candidacy, or to deflect responsibilty to the media when a favorite candidate stumbles. The purpose of MMfA is just what it is stated to be.
Neither do I see a media conspiracy arrayed against Hillary. There's no conspiracy, there's just a collection of lazy reporters eager to ride the right bandwagon and please their corporate conservative bosses. They compete with one another to see how clever and snarky they can be when sniping at Democrats.
I'd like to suggest another possible reason Hillary is dwindling in the polls: Obama is rising.
Should an Obama supporter even bother to read MMFA propaganda anymore?I am coming to the conclusion that MMFA is totally in the tank for Hillary. Jamison Foser has written one of the most dishonest 'Rovian' screeds that I have ever read from someone NOT associated with the RNC.
Why was Hillary seen as "inevitable"? Because the Hillary campaign thought that was a great tactic early on. Hillary hoped to use the aura of inevitability as an asset to (1) keep some good Democratic candidates from jumping into the race, and (2) help keep people from donating financial support for candidates such as Obama.
Remember, it was the Hillary campaign staff who used pollsters like Mark Penn to spread the 'inevitable' myth. And it was the Hillary campaign who benefited from the 'inevitable' message.
Now that that balloon has been shot down, poor Hillary is whining. And MMFA is going in lockstep with the Hillary campaign.
This kind of Hillary-at-all-costs writing at MMFA goes WAY beyond trying to counter 'conservative misinformation'. This is a totally dishonest Hillary propaganda site - and I really hate to say it, but some of the conservatives who posted this criticism were absolutely right about MMFA.
I'm kind of sick to say it, but a lot of the criticism of people such as "Justice and Truth" and "Tommy" and "Another American" were right on.
Well, we're almost on the same page here, NAC, because it makes me sick to hear somebody say that. The three individuals you named, with the (sometime) exception of Tommy, are here to slam MMfA at every opportunity only because to them it is "liberal" and "liberal" = bad.
"Justice and Truth" offers neither, and "Another American" just repeats GOP talking points.
I'd like to kinda bust your balloon, boy: the only times the cited posters have ever been right is when they pick candidates in the voting booth - and I'd wonder about that, given that they so adamantly deny ever voting for the Bungle - except that, given the track records in the archives, there is no reason to suspect a sudden attack of veracity there, either.
Gnats - I had to go off to logon preparatory to posting, so I lost track of to whom I responded: that snipe was aimed at NotAnother, as opposed to DMCC.
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MMFA is open to criticism from the conservatives when it constantly does a knee-jerk support for Hillary.
The other problem with MMFA (besides its constant campaigning for Hillary) is its focus on trivialities. I was just reading an AP report on Mitt Romney's hair and wondering if this was another story on John Edwards, would MMFA have another hissy fit?
Finally, I have to admit that I think that AA and Justus had a lot of entertaining and thought provoking stuff - but maybe I'm just easily amused!
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Notanothercon, let me help you out here- go back to your link about Romney's hair, the one you're offering as a counterpart to the talk about Edwards' pricey haircuts.
Now wade past the "movie idol looks" and "nice hair" stuff, and get to the part where the article focuses on the hypocrisy of Romney, and how much he pays for a haircut.
What? Nothing there?
You've been suckered again.
The fact that anyone actually believes this site is here to expose "conservative mis-information" is hard to believe.
They might has well have a "Clinton in 2008" banner across the homepage.
"We are certainly better prepared and more focused on, you know, taking our arguments, and making them effective, and disseminating them widely, and really putting together a network, uh, in the blogosphere, in a lot of the new progressive infrastructure, institutions that I helped to start and support like Media Matters"-Hillary Clinton
They might has well have a "Clinton in 2008" banner across the homepage.
It's getting harder and harder to argue against this statement. I think that both left and right can agree that this site is more of a Hillary in '08promotion than a serious anti-conservative "misinformation" site.
Thanks for the quote!
I do not agree, NAC. I think you're way out in right field on this one.
I'm not a Hillary supporter. Maybe Jamison Foser likes her, but I just don't see evidence of bias or dishonesty in his commentary on her treatment in the media or in the content of this website.
"The fact that anyone actually believes this site is here to expose 'conservative mis-information' is hard to believe."
- What I find hard to believe, Ripper, is that anyone who has read many of your postings here would believe what you have to say about MMfA.
I also find hard to believe the depth and extent of Clinton-hatred evidenced in these arguments.
Hillary is the one that said "groups I helped to start and support like Media Matters", not me.
That is a fact. My personal views and opinions on anything have no bearing on that.
Yes the FACT is she helped raise seed money for progressive causes that was used to start things like MMFA which in no way means your delusions about this being a Hillary website are anything but fantasies.
So, this website is supposed to be about exposing "conservative mis-information." Why'd they go after Imus then?
"Obviously, Media Matters makes no secret of its animus for political conservatives and its desire to publicly discredit them. That being said, it is difficult, at first blush, to see why such an organization should have wished to drive Don Imus, of all people, from the airwaves. After all, no one could possibly have mistaken Imus for a conservative. His liberal-left views were well known, and he had a well-established reputation for deriding his conservative radio and television counterparts—calling Rush Limbaugh “a fat, pill-popping loser” and “an undisciplined slob,” and calling Tucker Carlson “a bowtie-wearing pussy,” to cite just two examples."
"To truly understand Media Matters’ motives, we must look at the organization’s special relationship with Hillary Clinton, who has deeply despised Don Imus for more than a decade. Hillary’s contempt for the broadcaster dates back to March 21, 1996, when Imus made a number of insulting, disparaging remarks about Mrs. Clinton and her husband, who was then U.S. President, at the Radio and TV Correspondents Association dinner in Washington, DC. More recently, Imus had been particularly critical of Mrs. Clinton and her presidential candidacy. According to Media Matters, the broadcaster had “repeatedly and unapologetically” referred to the Senator as “Satan,” Bill Clinton’s “fat ugly wife,” a “buck-toothed witch,” “the personification of evil,” and an individual who was “worse than” Osama bin Laden. Not surprisingly, Imus steadfastly refused to invite Mrs. Clinton to be a guest on his program. (It is noteworthy that in the wake of the “nappy-headed ho’s” incident, Mrs. Clinton disingenuously portrayed the fact that she had never appeared on Imus’ show as the result of a unilateral, righteous choice she had personally made: “I’ve never wanted to go on his show and I certainly don't ever intend to go on his show, and I felt that way before his latest outrageous, hateful, hurtful comments,” said Clinton.)"More paranoid delusions. Outrageous statements have ALWAYS been part of the MMFA agenda. From the beggining. They coarsen the dialogue. No one cares if you agre or disagree that it is part of the media conservative misinformation MMFA sees it that way. They ALWAYS have. They used to have two columns one for direct misinformation the other for outrageous comments. Also you dont have to be a CONSERVATIVE to push misinformation that furthers a conservative agenda. It is about WHAT is said not who said it. An outright liberal can repeat a storyline that pushes a conservative frame. NONE of this or your tinfoil hat conspiricy theories about some nebulous Clinton/Imus hostility shows this is a pro Hillary site. Ya got nothin, other than grandiose delusions that is.
No I think brainwashed hiveminders just believe whatever they WISH was true. Those of us in the rational, reality based universe recognize your delusions. Maybe you can get some medication for that.
"Media Matters frames its motives in the rhetoric of pure-hearted concern about a lack of civility in the media. But the politically rooted double standard that actually underlies the organization’s activities are obvious when we consider the fact that Media Matters’ very own Eric Alterman—its leading luminary (he is also a Senior Fellow for the Hillary think tank, Center for American Progress) who pens the blog titled “Altercation”—is by no means above authoring sentiments that are at least as crude, offensive, and incendiary as anything that was ever uttered by the conservatives who Media Matters impugns. For example, in the Nov. 9, 2000, issue of The Nation, Alterman wrote: “I got a call one day from a Republican Party functionary telling me that Hillary Clinton supported a Palestinian state and took money from groups that supported terrorist organizations ‘like the one that just blew up the USS Cole.’ I told the sorry sonofabitch that like Israel’s Prime Minister, I, too, support a Palestinian state. And, if there was any justice in the world, Hillary’s ‘terrorist’ friends would blow up Republican headquarters while we were still on the phone, so I could enjoy hearing the explosion.” That is incivility by any definition. But in the eyes of Media Matters, it is entirely permissible because the author is a supporter of Hillary Clinton."
While it is true that much of the material at MMFA impugns your conservative pals, the material in question so often consists of verbatim renditions of those conservative's words and deeds, that it is unfair to blame MMFA. their (Look first to those whom you defend, for it is their lies and thefts and general misconduct, their base motives and general insentience, that not only assails, but indicts and convicts.
"Wouldn’t a truly progressive organization, not interested in partisan politics or advancing Hillary’s campaign, be more interested in pressing Hillary to answer the questions asked of her? Couldn’t a progressive truth-squad salute Russert for holding Hillary’s feet to the fire? The answer is, of course. But the reality is that Media Matters is a Hillary pitbull first, a Democratic mouthpiece second, a vanity project for Brock third and somewhere past that it might be something like a watchdog group.”
Over the last few weeks I’ve been working on an FEC complaint reference to MM and been culling through their posts over, and guess what. Not a single post has ever been made defending anything except a democratic candidate. NADA. In fact just checking their site there are 524 such posts and over 30 of them are within the last month. Hardly partisan.
As Jonah notes if they were as they say “non-partisan” they would be defending anyone against what they say is “media disinformation”. Yet what they really do is work as damage control for candidates such as Hillary Clinton. According to an IRS spokesman it appears that they have violated the “intervention” clause of the exemption code.
“Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. The prohibition applies to all campaigns including campaigns at the federal, state and local level. Violation of this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes. Those section 501(c)(3) organizations that are private foundations are subject to additional restrictions that are not described in this fact sheet."
Lotsa luck with that!
Of course MMFA defends Dem candidates, against the lies and misinformation that constitutes the Repugnant (sorry, "conservative") Corporate Media. That seems quite well in accord with the mission statement, and, so far as I can tell, fits perfectly the job description of every putative or aspiring journalist as well.
Just as soon as the Repugnant / Corporate Media begins to assail the lies and misrepresentations and intolerance that are the Repugnant campaign, I would expect MMFA to leave them to that task unhindered.
This isnt a political site, its a conservative media misinformation site. It isnt about what Hillary is supposed to do, it isnt about praising Russert for what he is SUPPOSED to do. Its about conservative media misinformation and churlish behavior. What part of that DONT you understand. Feel free to write the FEC and whine about Media Matters, they probably need the laugh. Just because YOU dont UNDERSTAND what is up doesnt mean your simplistic take on this. The one that you were TOLD to believe has any connection to reality other than it is what you WISH were true.
SOLON:
If the rightwingers can convince anyone that MMFA is a site run by, funded by, and sustained by Hillary Clinton, as a paid political website, then this in their minds serves to discount and discredit everything said here.
This is, of course, a desperation move, because they simply cannot rebut any of the information MMFA presents that is so damning to their rightwing cause and people.
They tried saying SOROS ran things, but that got no traction, so now it's Hillary, and with the same dearth of factual support or evidence.
The main thing to note is that all the effort they expend trying to say this site is run by people they don't like, they are making ZERO progress in countering ANY of the points MMFA makes every day (and which is gaining traction every day with a balky "mainstream media").
MMFA's success is seen every time it is lambasted by O'Reilly, Limbaugh, or any of the rightwing bulls skewered by their own words, and SUCCESS also can be guaged by how often rightwingers suggest that this site is "just a Hillary blog".
They just hope and pray that somebody might buy their "connection" without any proof, in order to render MMFA ineffective. Until they learn how to actually gather evidence and present a case (as MMFA does every day), their tirades serve only to tell MMFA it's on exactly the right course, pissing off rightwingers and making them show their acute frustration.
Ripper, your last two posts appear to consist entirely of unattributed quotations. Source, please?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={1072D713-D071-4FD4-AD26-FB4C0F7B4D90}
http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2007/11/01/
Be careful though! These are NOT Hillary approved links.
Just the rantings of insane racist, sexist, homophobes...or something.
Worldnetdaily? Macsmind? Why am I not surprised?
What, no FreeRepublic?
"Be careful though! These are NOT Hillary approved links.
"Just the rantings of insane racist, sexist, homophobes...or something."*
- No, just your standard right-wing hatchet jobs, full of half-truths, distortions and character assassination. And a gross waste of bandwidth.
*Wipe your mouth. You're starting to froth.
You summed adequately my own reaction to these sites. Pure trash - might even be an energy source if properly managed.
Ignore the content and the facts, attack the messenger.
Good strategy.
Media Matters didnt EXIST in 2000 they also dont cover LIBERAL misinformation nor outrageous statements in the same way that MRC and AIM doesnt cover CONSERVATIVE media. It also doesnt show that this is a pro Hillary site ya got nothin. This site doesnt shill for Hillary. You were told to believe that by the hivemind so you repeat it. It wont wash.
Ripper and anothercon, the "MMFA is a Hillary campaign site" brigade has been away for a while, but since you seem to be revivng this, I'm going to ask the same question I've asked of the earlier promoters of your theory;
What's the reasoning, in your mind, behind the items here covering misinformation about Obama , Edwards and other Dem candidates?
For appearances sake they have to at least pretend to follow their mission statement.
Ingenious!
I think you're pushing a little too far into the conspiracy range there.
It's pretty simple actually. For the last 8 months or so, Hillary has been the dominant candidate for the Democratic ticket, therefore, the media went after her the most. I mean, there's been an entire book devoted to bringing her down.There's not as much about Obama or Edwards, because the MSM and especially the Right Wing Media, did not take them as seriously (until now).
And if we follow your logic, is the internet just one big propaganda platform for Al Gore? He did, after all, "claim" to "invent" the internet. There's a lot of stuff on this here internet about him.(BTW, I know he was actually claiming the proposal in congress to allow the creation of the internet, not that he created it himself. But hey, it's so ingrained in our conscious, I figured why not?)Lastly, if the IRS were going to revoke their tax exempt status, they would have done so long ago. The church I used to attend would be a much better target for your investigations, since my preacher actually shunned people because they were Democrats.
"Ignore the content and the facts, attack the messenger.
"Good strategy."
- I did not ignore the content and the facts, I described them consisely and with economy. As for the strategy: Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, Savage and the rest of the righteous messengers who supply you with "facts" seem to think it's awfully good - they rely on it.
The Dual Presidency
I realize this is a minor point, but I think that Charles Krauthammer's gross historical error ("We have never had an ex-president move back into the White House.") should be pointed out. Apparently he never heard of Grover Cleveland, who was elected in 1884, then won the popular vote but lost the electoral in 1888, then was elected once again, this time as an ex-president, in 1892.
And, though I realize it's not an exact parallel, because her husband merely ran for president and didn't actually serve as one, but were there any complaints about a "dual presidency" when Elizabeth Dole ran for the party nomination in 2000? I must confess that I don't remember one.
You don't mention that in fact Americans have been stuck with two presidents for seven years. We may have something else: a manipulated King with a crafty, lying Regent behind him. Does anyone honestly think Bill Clinton could have any more influence on policy and running wars and domestic spying than Dick Cheney has had?