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"Media Matters"; by Jamison Foser

February 22, 2008 7:42 pm ET

John McCain and the Clinton Rules

In the wake of this week's controversy surrounding John McCain's dealings with lobbyists, and his honesty about those dealings, it is impossible to avoid thinking about how differently the media would have handled the news had it been about Bill Clinton or Al Gore rather than John McCain. Three consistent rules of media coverage of purported scandals involving progressives come immediately to mind:

If any part of an alleged scandal turns out to be true, the media behaves as though the entire story is true.

Take, for example, Gennifer Flowers. In 1992, Flowers claimed that she and Clinton had a 12-year affair. In 1998, during his deposition in the Paula Jones case, Clinton acknowledged having had "sexual relations" with Flowers, one time. Under the definition of "sexual relations" at use for that deposition (at the insistence of Jones' attorneys, not Clinton) Clinton's acknowledgment didn't mean much: It could have meant that he and Flowers slept together, or it could have meant that he briefly placed his hand on her thigh in a bar. Clinton didn't explain what had happened, and -- significantly, one would assume -- the Jones attorneys didn't ask him to.

For the past 10 years, the news media have portrayed Clinton as having acknowledged that Flowers' story was true. He did nothing of the kind -- and Flowers is just about the least credible accuser you could imagine, having lied about the place her supposed affair with Clinton began, about her education, about her career as an entertainer, about having been kidnapped, and about having a twin sister.

Yet because Clinton acknowledged there to be a sliver of truth to Flowers' wild claims, the news media pretended her entire story was true.

Similarly, despite the fact that example after example of Al Gore purportedly lying or exaggerating turned out to have been made up (or, perversely, exaggerated) by the news media as part of what Bob Somerby has rightly called their "War Against Gore," the media continued to pretend that the entire line of criticism of Gore had merit simply because they could point to one example that supported their case. Gore didn't tour Texas with James Lee Witt -- so the whole years-long smear campaign against him must be true!

Media parse every statement by progressives in response to controversy, looking for something to ridicule -- whether the ridicule is fair or not.

Bill Clinton's statement about "what the meaning of the word 'is' is," Al Gore's reference to "no controlling legal authority" in response to questions about his fundraising, Hillary Clinton's explanation that she has always been a Yankees fan, John Kerry's comments about voting for Iraq funding before voting against it -- all have been the subject of literally years of media ridicule. Never mind that Bill Clinton was making the correct point that the tense of the question he was asked, and of his answer, was directly relevant to the issue of whether he was lying about something that happened in the past. Never mind that Gore's point, which was basically that he hadn't broken any laws, was right (he was never charged with, never mind convicted of, any crime). Never mind that Hillary Clinton really has always been a Yankees fan, as the comments of her childhood friends -- not to mention old photographs of her in a Yankees hat -- demonstrate. Never mind that Kerry was talking about two different versions of the bill, not about flip-flopping on one version -- and never mind that President Bush had said he would veto one version, then signed the other. To this day, the media mock them for these statements. And they don't just mock: These comments are depicted as evidence of character flaws.

Allegations that turn out to be unproven, or even false, are used by the media as evidence in support of future allegations.

Again, Flowers is a perfect example. Not long after she first sold her story to a supermarket tabloid, Flowers had been shown to be a liar. And she thoroughly failed to support her allegations against Clinton -- the audiotapes she produced were reportedly spliced, and, as Joe Conason and Gene Lyons have noted, "Flowers never produced a single paragraph, valentine, or birthday card as evidence of her twelve-year affair with Clinton; no witness ever came forward who had seen them together. Indeed, she would eventually write an entire book, Passion and Betrayal, without stating a specific time and place where she and her famous lover were together."

Perversely, Flowers' unproven (and in large part debunked) allegations against Clinton were subsequently invoked by the news media as proof that other allegations of infidelity by Clinton were true.

Such absurd standards played a role in the spread of the Gore-as-liar narrative. Examples of Gore as a liar or exaggerator were trotted out by the media, shown to be false, then later recycled as evidence of a pattern when some future bogus example was invented. Al Gore didn't actually take credit for having discovered Love Canal -- it simply didn't happen; it was made up by reporters at The New York Times and The Washington Post. It was conclusively demonstrated to be a made-up story, and the newspapers (eventually) ran corrections. Then what happened? Love Canal, alongside the equally bogus allegation that Gore had claimed to have invented the Internet, was regularly invoked by reporters to bolster subsequent depictions of Gore as a liar and exaggerator.

The media's apparent belief that it is acceptable to say any damn thing they want, true or false, as long as they say it about the Clintons, has become known as the "Clinton Rules of Journalism." Those rules, however, apply to progressives broadly, not just the Clintons. They have applied to Al Gore, as indicated above, and to John Edwards (witness the nonsense about his haircut). And there are signs Barack Obama may soon have to deal with these rules, if it hasn't started already. The New York Times' (truly bizarre) recent attempt to portray Obama as having used drugs as a teenager less than he suggested in his autobiography is one such example. As The New Yorker's Hendrik Hertzberg observed:

The news here is -- what, exactly? That Obama, who now appears grounded, motivated, and poised, formerly appeared grounded, motivated, and poised? That his inner uncertainties, such as they were, were more apparent to himself than to others? That he was marginally less of a pothead than he has made himself out to be? ... For a candidate to stand accused of exaggerating his youthful drug use is something new indeed.

The Clinton Rules are, on their own, a clear indictment of modern political journalism. It should go without saying that making up quotes in order to depict a politician as a liar is horrible journalism. It should go without saying that repeating long-ago debunked claims is, too.

But as bad as these things are, they are made even worse by the contrasting treatment that leading Republicans have gotten from the media in recent years.

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Not only have the three rules discussed above not typically been applied to the likes of George W. Bush and John McCain, the media also have often taken the opposite approach.

While Democratic "scandals" have been treated as true if any individual element has turned out to be accurate, allegations against Republicans have been deemed false if any individual element turned out to be wrong -- or even questionable.

The clearest example of this is the 2004 controversy around Bush's National Guard service, or lack thereof.

The national media spent years ignoring documentary evidence that Bush didn't fulfill the requirements of his National Guard commitment, and attacking those who raised the issue. In 2004, for example, ABC's Peter Jennings called Michael Moore's assertion that Bush was a "deserter" a "reckless charge not supported by the facts" and suggested it was an example of poor "ethical behavior" for Wesley Clark not to have contradicted Moore. In fact, there was ample evidence that Bush had not bothered to show up for required Guard duty -- evidence Jennings and ABC had been carefully ignoring for years.

Later that year, when CBS News aired a report about Bush's Guard service, conservatives seized on documents used in that report that they claimed were fake. The media immediately acted as though the entire question about whether Bush fulfilled his commitment to the National Guard came down to whether or not the CBS documents were real, ignoring voluminous other evidence. When a consensus emerged that they were not, the media treated this as vindication for Bush and his campaign -- despite the fact that, with or without the CBS documents, there is overwhelming evidence that Bush skipped out on his Guard duty. (It should be noted that though there emerged a consensus that the documents were not real, this was not proven, and former CBS anchor Dan Rather is suing the network over its handling of the matter.)

Likewise, when news broke this week that John McCain may have done legislative favors for a lobbyist with whom he may have had an affair, countless journalists quickly declared that the alleged affair was all that mattered. If there was no affair, they asserted, McCain would be vindicated. Never mind the indications that McCain may have done favors for lobbyists -- exactly the type of image-incongruous behavior the media pounce on when the subject is a Democrat.

How many times were we sanctimoniously told by journalists that the reason the Edwards haircut got so much media attention was that it supposedly conflicted with his image as an advocate for the poor and middle class? Well, no politician in recent memory has had an image as well-developed as McCain, who (thanks largely to the news media that adore him) is seen as a reformer, a man of principle, a tireless warrior against the influence of special interests. But this week brought explosive allegations that, in contrast to this image, McCain (who was, remember, one of the Keating Five) may have been doing favors for lobbyists. It also brought a reminder that he has essentially turned his presidential campaign over to some of the nation's most powerful lobbyists. Yet, rather than seizing on this tension between McCain's carefully cultivated image and his actions, many journalists swiftly moved to declare it a non-story: All that mattered was the alleged affair, and if that didn't happen, McCain must be innocent of everything, the victim of a "smear."

In contrast to their treatment of Democrats, in which they declare a "scandal" true if any element of it is true, the media have moved to declare the entire McCain story a "smear" if any element of it is false.

And rather than examine whether McCain reacted to the stories with false claims, contradictions, or absurdities, as they have done to countless Democrats in the past, much of the media simply noted his denials and behaved as though the story is all about The New York Times' behavior in breaking it. Just as they had with the Bush National Guard story, other media quickly made the Times the story, rather than McCain's actions and statements. (One notable exception: a Newsweek article by Michael Isikoff that begins: "A sworn deposition that Sen. John McCain gave in a lawsuit more than five years ago appears to contradict one part of a sweeping denial that his campaign issued this week to rebut a New York Times story about his ties to a Washington lobbyist.")

Yesterday, John McCain's presidential campaign sent out a fundraising email (from lobbyist/McCain campaign manager Rick Davis) that claimed, "Objective observers are viewing this ... as a sleazy smear attack from a liberal newspaper against the conservative Republican frontrunner." The email quoted four such "objective observers," including right-wing Fox News host Sean Hannity, former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough, and "Washington attorney Bob Bennett, who was the Democrat counsel during the Keating investigation."

The description of Hannity and Scarborough as "objective observers" is funny enough, but Bob Bennett is John McCain's personal attorney in this matter. He is the exact opposite of an "objective observer" -- he is a paid advocate on McCain's behalf. When he defends McCain, he isn't doing so as an "objective observer," he is doing so in exchange for hundreds of dollars an hour.

McCain's campaign manager's portrayal of McCain's personal lawyer as an "objective observer" defending McCain isn't merely a breathtaking display of chutzpah, though it is certainly that. It is also precisely the kind of thing that, had it been done in defense of Bill Clinton or Al Gore, would have led to a cascade of ridicule from the news media. We would constantly hear about how they were hurting themselves with such transparently dishonest defense, which not only calls their character into question, it suggests that the underlying allegations must be true. Tucker Carlson would have a field day mocking the defense, and he wouldn't be alone. And, for once, he wouldn't be wrong.

Yet, when this transparently dishonest defense is made on John McCain's behalf, the media ignore it.

The hinted-at-but-not-proven (and thus, perhaps not real) affair between McCain and the lobbyist is, in many ways, the least important and least interesting aspect of this week's revelations. As Media Matters' Eric Alterman noted yesterday, "[I]t's none of our business and does not belong on the front page of The New York Times, regardless of timing. What's more, the sex gets in the way of what is really important about McCain's behavior."

But the media's reaction to this element of the story is very interesting -- particularly in contrast to their treatment of allegations of affairs by Democrats. McCain left his first wife for his current wife -- a fact that was notably absent from yesterday's cable coverage of the McCain controversy. Whenever some new allegation of an affair by Clinton popped up, the media were quick to invoke previous (unproven and in many ways provably false) claims, like those of Gennifer Flowers, as evidence of a pattern that made the new allegations likely to be true. Yet here we have the media ignoring McCain's history with women, even as they discuss the possibility of an affair between McCain and a lobbyist.

Then there's the reaction to the New York Times article. All day yesterday, a firestorm raged in the media over the Times article, as journalists from other news organizations denounced the paper for suggesting, based on unnamed sources, that McCain had an affair. It was denounced as a smear, and reckless journalism.

Some of the same people who were challenging the Times' reliance on unnamed sources, and its printing of what amounts to rumors of an affair, praised the Times for doing exactly the same thing nearly two years ago.

Well, not quite the same thing: Back then, the victim of the Times' crude innuendo was Bill Clinton, not John McCain.

When The New York Times ran a 2,000-word article about the state of the Clintons' marriage in May of 2006, the paper passed on gossip about Bill Clinton and a Canadian politician named Belinda Stronach. According to the Times, "Several prominent New York Democrats, in interviews, volunteered that they became concerned last year over a tabloid photograph" of Clinton and Stronach.

Chris Matthews, among others, loved -- loved -- the article. He discussed it again and again and again on Hardball. He -- approvingly -- described it as a warning from The New York Times to Clinton that "he better watch it" and "behave himself." Interviewing Clinton aide Ann Lewis, Matthews added, "I think it'd be great for the country if ... we were not once again distracted by what you call private life. And I think the way to avoid getting distracted is to have nothing there to distract us. ... I want to have some assurances from people that I trust and like to spread the word that he better watch it."

In short, Matthews did not criticize the Times article; he endorsed it. He didn't complain about it being based on unnamed sources, or about the paper trafficking in gossip it couldn't prove true.

Now, how did Matthews react to the Times article about McCain, a man Matthews has said "deserves" to be president? Did he repeatedly ask if McCain would "behave himself" during the campaign? Did he approvingly note that the Times had sent a warning that McCain "better watch it"? Of course not.

Instead, Matthews turned on the Times for the same type of reporting it had employed in the Clinton article. Again and again he used his perch at MSNBC to rail against the Times not only for using unnamed sources in the McCain article, but for failing to explain why it was granting the sources anonymity, which, as Matthews pointed out, is inconsistent with the Times' guidelines.

But Matthews expressed no such concern about the 2006 article about Clinton. Here's the Times' passage about Stronach again -- a passage the Times' public editor at the time said should not have appeared in the paper:

Because of Mr. Clinton's behavior in the White House, tabloid gossip sticks to him like iron filings to a magnet. Several prominent New York Democrats, in interviews, volunteered that they became concerned last year over a tabloid photograph showing Mr. Clinton leaving B.L.T. Steak in Midtown Manhattan late one night after dining with a group that included Belinda Stronach, a Canadian politician. The two were among roughly a dozen people at a dinner, but it still was enough to fuel coverage in the gossip pages.

Why had the Times granted anonymity to the "New York Democrats"? The Times didn't say -- and Chris Matthews didn't give a damn; he was just thrilled that the paper had issued its "warning." Of course, back then, the targets of the Times' article were the Clintons, and Chris Matthews very much does not like the Clintons. Now the subject of a Times article relying on unnamed sources is McCain, who Matthews thinks "deserves" to be president. And so Matthews now righteously denounces the same sourcing techniques that he didn't mind at all when the subject was Clinton.

And Matthews has repeatedly railed against the Times for running the McCain story on the front page, above the fold -- right where the Times' article about the Clintons' marriage ran.

Not that Matthews has cornered the market on blatant double standards. His MSNBC colleague Tucker Carlson kept insisting that the Times' reference to a possible affair by McCain was inappropriate because, according to Carlson, the media collectively agreed not to focus on such things post-Monica Lewinksy. To his credit, this is not the first time Carlson has been outraged by discussion of a candidate's marriage: He frequently opposes such discussion -- when Republicans are the subjects.

* * *

The point here isn't that the Times article about McCain was flawless. It wasn't. The paper could have run, as many have noted, a much stronger article that focused on McCain's actions on behalf of lobbyists, without including unnamed sources asserting that unnamed aides believed McCain to have had an affair. But I don't remember Chris Matthews or Tucker Carlson or the countless other journalists who have denounced the Times over the past two days leveling a similar complaint about unnamed sources talking about Clinton and Stronach. To the contrary; they embraced that article.

Regardless of the merits of the Times article, particularly its treatment of the affair question, it is important to recognize the blatant double standards media employ to hype stories damaging to Democrats and downplay and dismiss those damaging to Republicans.

The Clinton Rules make for lousy journalism, as we've seen over the past two decades. But the media's rush to dismiss serious questions about prominent Republicans is no better than their repeated peddling of bogus stories about Democrats.

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    • Author by carlileb5935 (February 22, 2008 8:49 pm ET)
         

      What's interesting is that most of the outlets have stressed the "affair" aspect and ignored the more important issue, that McCain was carrying water for these people.

      I'm waiting for them to accuse Hillary of running over that police officer in Dallas.

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      • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (February 22, 2008 9:12 pm ET)
           
        The press as a whole and especially cable news have misrepresented what's actually in the NY Times story.

        This has allowed the right wing claims of a "hit job" or smear to be accepted as the truth.

        It's interesting to note the NY Times story about Obama's drug use, or more specifically the lack of it, was part the same series of stories they've been doing about the presidential candidates during the past year as the McCain story.

        There are now 11 stories in the series and they're all available to peruse at the Times web site.

        They're nuanced feature stories that are more about the personalities of the candidates than breaking news.

        I guess the right wing doesn't understand and cable news doesn't do nuance very well.
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        • Author by lostlogic (February 22, 2008 10:14 pm ET)
             
          In the interest of full disclosure I have not read all 11 articles you mention.  I read the McCain on in full and parts of the Obama one.  What you are calling nuanced feature stories about their personalities is what I would call gossipy inuendo filled tabloid stories.  I don't think that is the stuff we really need to be hearing about in the media.  There is a lot to write about these candidates lives, they are all very accomplished individuals with interesting personal stories.  You can write a human interest/personality story on them without resorting to tabloid journalism to make it interesting. 
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          • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (February 22, 2008 10:37 pm ET)
               
            I'm betting that a lot of people, in the interest of full disclosure, should admit they haven't even read the McCain story before drinking the right wing "NY Times bad" Kool Aid.

            I'm getting the impression you have a pretty broad definition of what gossip is.

            The NY Times didn't claim McCain's relationship with the lobbyist was romantic. That really wasn't the point of the story but in this Brittney/Paris/Lindsey cable culture that's what a lot of the talking heads took from it. That's not the Times fault.

            A McCain campaign honcho has admitted he was so disturbed about what he was hearing on the street about McCain being in a lobbyist's pocket he met with her and asked her to disappear from the campaign.

            McCain has admitted this type of meeting could have occurred without his knowledge, at a different level. That's fine and dandy except it's reported that McCain knew about the meeting. This is what the dispute should be about: what did McCain know and when did he know it.

            As far as the FCC letters go, it's nothing more than a rehash of what the Times reported 8 years ago.

            So I'm really not seeing where this story is gossip or Page Six material as Limbaugh likes to say.
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            • Author by lostlogic (February 22, 2008 11:01 pm ET)
                 
              Johnny, you are probably right I do have a low threshold for what I consider gossip...I really do think journalists should be held to a high standard. I also agree it is obvious some either didn't read the article or failed to comprehend what they actually read.  As usual the media put their spin on what they took away from it instead of just reporting the actual words and letting their audience come to their own coclusion of what it meant.  I do think NYT shoulders some of the blaim for how they wrote the piece and what they choce to include in it and at what point in the article they put certain info.  I think they did have a slant to the story that provided an easy doorway to the sensationalism with which it is being reported.  The media shoulders a large part of the blame because they have characterized the information in the article rather then reporting the actual information...as usual they frame the story and the people  (or at least some) follow along blindly adopting their characterizations as fact...never bothering to read the article in question and attempt to comprehend it on their own. 
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              • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (February 23, 2008 12:12 am ET)
                   
                So much for gossip and innuendo:

                By James V. Grimaldi and Jeffrey H. Birnbaum

                Washington Post Staff Writers

                Saturday, February 23, 2008; Page A01

                Broadcaster Lowell "Bud" Paxson yesterday contradicted statements from Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign that the senator did not meet with Paxson or his lobbyist before sending two controversial letters to the Federal Communications Commission on Paxson's behalf.

                Paxson also recalled that his lobbyist, Vicki Iseman, likely attended the meeting in McCain's office and that Iseman helped arrange the meeting. "Was Vicki there? Probably," Paxson said in an interview with The Washington Post yesterday. "The woman was a professional. She was good. She could get us meetings."

                http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/22/AR2008022202634.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR
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                • Author by tex (February 23, 2008 9:32 am ET)
                     

                  The "CLINTON RULES" also apply to Gore and Kerry ... and ALL Democrats, progressives and liberals. Even folks PERCEIVED as such.

                  And the DEFENSIVE side of the Media, the ganging up to condemn what is perceived as "unfair attacks" ... operates solely in the service of Repbublicans, conservatives, and NeoCons.

                  There are literally thousands of examples of this blatant Media BIAS, and it is RIGHTWING bias. There are a handful of examples ... very damn few ... of times when any in THE MEDIA have dealt fairly with "the LEFT".

                  I contend that, like ANY advertising or promotion, our current "NEWS" Media has been effective in selling their product, and denigrating the competition. The American People, largely based on across-the-board biased "reporting" in all media, gave the GOP majority in Congress and made the presidential races close enough to let GW Bush live in the White House TWICE.

                  And, like any FALSE Advertising, it doesn't take the customer very long to learn that the product does not live up to its praises sung by paid-for cheerleaders.

                  Yet here we are, in 2008, with the GOP "brand name" in the toilet, and the MEDIA continues the same promotion which has WORKED for about two decades. They STILL think they can influence the elections in favor of the Republicans (or, at least, they're willing to continue the BIAS as long as their paychecks keep coming). 

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                  • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (February 23, 2008 7:56 pm ET)
                       

                    Well said, as usual Tex...

                    "Like a French Revolution in reverse--one in which the sans-culottes pour down the streets demanding more power for the aristocracy--the backlash pushes the spectrum of the acceptable to the right, to the right, farther to the right.  It may never bring prayer back to schools, but it has rescued all manner of right-wing economic nostrums from history's dustbin.  Having rolled back the landmark economic reforms of the sixties (the war on poverty) and those of the thirties (labor law, agricultural price supports, banking regulation), its leaders now turn their guns on the accomplishments of the earliest years of progressivism (Woodrow Wilson's estate tax; Theodore Roosevelt's antitrust measures).  With a little more effort, the backlash may well repeal the entire twentieth century."

                    Thomas Frank -- "What's the Matter With Kansas" 

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    • Author by carlileb5935 (February 22, 2008 8:59 pm ET)
         

      P.S. I have to take issue with Foser about one thing. It's true that the Clinton Rules apply to progressives, but they apply to the Clintons more.

      Witness tonight's debacle on CNN, where they spent almost ten minutes analyzing and mocking Hillary's latest campaign expenditures, but ignored Obama's, because, to paraphrase Toobin, 'he's the one who's winning.'

      That's not just a Clinton rule, that's a whole new rule of journalism itself.

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      • Author by Clevenative (February 22, 2008 9:46 pm ET)
           
        The mainstream media's disdain for anything Clinton has become so blatant I can't even watch cable news anymore. I even turned off Olberman's show tonight after the first 10 minutes. I'm just so sick of hearing such biased reporting of political news that I'm about to cancel my cable service until November.
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        • Author by lostlogic (February 22, 2008 10:25 pm ET)
             
          Glad I'm not the only one.  My husband and I use to enjoy KO's show (well at least the first half)  and neither of us can stomach him these days.  I turn to CNN sometimes or PBS but really the media is just so bad all around.  When will they get it we don't need them to tell us what to think...we are perfectly capable of evaluating information and reaching our own conclusions. 
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          • Author by funnymanpants (February 22, 2008 10:37 pm ET)
               

            Lostlogic wrat:

            >>My husband and I use to enjoy KO's show (well at least the first half)

            In a way (and just in a way), Olberman is like Christopher Hitchens. The progressives loved him when he voiced progressive views. But I always despised the man. He was a blowhard, a terrible writer, and a peddlar of innuendo. He would build the most fabulous cases out of nothing. Then when Hitchens became a neo conervative, progressives howled. I wanted to pint out that the man was always a dishonest hack.

            While not exactly the same, Olberman often demagoged. Look at his rant against O'Reilley when O'Reilley got a fact on WW2 wrong. O'Reilley stated that some American soldiers had committed war crimes in WW2, when in fact they had the war crimes committed against them. It was an easy enough mistake to make, but Olberman became indignant and acted as if O'Reilly had attacked WW2 vetrans. How dare he! It was like watching Fox news rant against Kerry for his ill-delivered punch line.

            (Of course, it doesn't help that O'Reilley is such an ass and repeated his mistake again, rather than correcting it.) 

            I often agree with Olberman, even when he goes on too long and becomes over-dramatic. But I guess if you live by the rant, you die by it. I wish we had someone better to represent us.  

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            • Author by lostlogic (February 22, 2008 10:47 pm ET)
                 
              Funnypants, I see a lot of similarities in O'Reilly's rise and evolution to the punch line he has become and KO's rise and his becoming the O'Reilly of the left.  It seems the more popular they get the more it goes to their head and the more they think it is about them and their opinion is paramount.  I never enjoyed the parts of KO's show that you are talking about...the rants...the holier then thou diatribes.  What I enjoyed was how he let his guest speak how he did not try to pull an O'Reilly and make the interviews about his point of view...you know the whole Stephen Colbert part of the spoof.  I actually find this happens to many of them the more success they have.  I used to listen to O'Reilly and Hannity(on the radio)...way back when...and there was a time when even if I didn't agree with them they had real discussions not this over the top crazyness they do now.  I don't know maybe I am more informed then I use to be so I notice it more but it just seems more like a direct result of their rise to me.
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              • Author by funnymanpants (February 22, 2008 11:20 pm ET)
                   

                Pacifica Radio was hosted by Amy Goodman, and the show won several awards, on on the US involvement and support for the genoicide carried out by Indonesia. (Under both Demorcratic and Republican presidents.) She once said something I found very true, that she had her guest on to let *them* speak, and *not to use them as a foil for a point of view.* 

                I don't think any TV or radio shows actually follow this dicturm. Maybe Bill Moyers? The one time I was on the radio, I noticed how the host tried to define my views, to put me in a box, so that she could generate interest and get people to call in. She didn't give a hoot about what I really thought. None of the media does, though.

                So yes, the best part of Olberman's shows is when he let the guests speak. I should add that I haven't watched TV in months. I have never watched Keith, but I do see his clips on line, occasionally.  

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            • Author by thomp.steve9098 (February 23, 2008 11:35 am ET)
                 

              In a way (and just in a way), Olberman is like Christopher Hitchens. The progressives loved him when he voiced progressive views. But I always despised the man. He was a blowhard, a terrible writer, and a peddlar of innuendo. He would build the most fabulous cases out of nothing. Then when Hitchens became a neo conervative, progressives howled. I wanted to pint out that the man was always a dishonest hack.

              I'm kinda a fan of hitchens. Read a few of his books and always read his articles. He's so rude and snobby to people that I can easily see how one can despise him, but do you truly think he's a terrible writer?  Maybe my tastes are low, but he cracks me up and I think his writing is excellent. Have you read any of his books? (I'm not looking to argue, but even from his opponents I don't often hear them criticize his writing per se, and I think it interesting that you find his writing terrible.).

              Also, where do you think he's been dishonest?

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              • Author by Clevenative (February 23, 2008 1:33 pm ET)
                   
                Whatever his political views are nowadays - he's got the arguments on religion down pat. I gotta give him credit for being one of the few voices in the English speaking world willing to tell it like it is.
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (February 22, 2008 10:27 pm ET)
             

          I can't watch Olbermann any more. He's become a disgrace.

          It started a few months ago, with his obsession about Brittany Spears. The guy's 47 years old, and he was spending 10 minutes every night kvetching about a teeny-bopper?

          But now-- there's absolutely nothing that Hillary can do right on his show.  The other night he suggested that "the Clintons" we're going to try to get Obama delegates to go over to them. He then spent the next half hour morally condemning them for the mere thought of this idea.

          Not only was there little evidence for the suspicion but, and this is the absurd part, -- it's -- a -- convention-- Keith -- and -- that's -- the -- way -- they-- some-- times-- work. 

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          • Author by captfoster2 (February 23, 2008 12:26 am ET)
               

            CARL,

            I won't dispute your feelings on KO..... Considering all that is out there (FOX, CNN (exception: Caferty), KO is still the best we have at this time, with the other exceptions being Stewart & Colert over at CC

            As for KO's Britney coverage, he does at least makes the disclaimer that his producers are forcing him to cover her, add to that the incessant coverage of missing or dead white girls that are 'reported' on over at FOX, it can get aweful creepy at times!

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        • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (February 22, 2008 10:39 pm ET)
             
          I stopped watching right after Super Tuesday and didn't start again until this Tuesday's primary coverage.

          I feel I'm a better person for it too.
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          • Author by juliajayne (February 23, 2008 6:02 pm ET)
               
            I refuse to watch any cable news coverage of these primaries, even Keith. I do like KO's show generally (I FF over the oddball and celebrity segments), but I have to say that lately his show hasn't passed muster as far as election coverage is concerned. I still watch the news segments that aren't related to election coverage if I'm not familiar with the story. Last night it took only 7 minutes to watch the entire show. He is still far and away better than the other crapfests on cable, but that isn't saying a whole lot. At least he has taken the Bush admin. to task and kept the many scandals in his "Bushed" segments alive. But alas I agree with Lostlogic when she opines that the bigger these guys get, the worse their egos sabotage their once somewhat watchable shows. I hope KO doesn't go that route ultimately. But it's looking a bit shady. If that happens, it's NO TV for me except Bill Moyers and CPSAN.
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            • Author by mary59 (February 23, 2008 7:05 pm ET)
                 
              There was an interesting CSPAN book channel segment this week, Sr. Helen ("Dead Man Walking) Prejean being interviewed by the dreadful Victoria Toensing (!?)

              Sr. Helen was so passionate and articulate; she left Vicky in the dust.
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              • Author by juliajayne (February 23, 2008 11:59 pm ET)
                   

                What can one say about Vicky?

                Except to reflect that she's icky

                Her defense of big Bob

                Was a major snow job

                I know it made me rather sicky 

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                • Author by mary59 (February 24, 2008 12:55 am ET)
                     
                  "When she is best, she is a little worse than a man; and when she is worst, she is little better than a beast. "

                  (Merchant of Venice--gender change ;-0)
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        • Author by skippersmom (February 23, 2008 7:28 am ET)
             

          Thank goodness for pieces like these!  They make me think I just might not be crazy.  I stopped watching Matthews except in 3 min increments...all the longer it takes for him to be obnoxious.  I also quit watching K.O. in the past couple of weeks.  Promoting Obama and trashing the Clintons seems to have overridden his desire to appeal to a general progressive audience.  (although the show has always been geared to 12-20 yr olds)  There is hardly anywhere to go on television or the newspapers where I think I'm getting good reporting.  Sadly Bill Moyers cannot be cloned.  I would like to know what percentage of the media in one day is actually 'opinion only' and what percentage is straight news or real investigative reporting.   

          I want to know what, if anything, is every going to change this.  Will the press reinvent itself with real journalistic standards only after there is nothing but ruin to cover?  If you pay attention and read good coverage like Media Matters, you realize very quickly that the only thing more powerful than the people is the media.  It is the media who chooses our leaders and sets our priorities.  The people allow them to because we are too lazy and foolish to think independent of the media.   

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      • Author by lostlogic (February 22, 2008 10:37 pm ET)
           
        I was watching CNN the debate coverage last night and they were discussing the plagerism part of the debate and they were all praising Obama for his answer about how they should be tearing each other down and this wasn't what the people want to hear about.  They were praising him for basically rising above it all and then in the next breath they broke in with the news they were just getting comment in from Obama's camp and it was to say that her comments were similar to ones John Edwards had used.  Not one of them pointed out the fact that there analysis and admiration that he wasn't goign to engage in this type of politics was  a little hollow since the first thing they did at the close of the debate was get out this talking point to the media.  Now Obama's camp had every right to do it but it seems the media is complicit in creating this fantasy that the Obama camp doesn't engage in this politics as usual but Clinton can't smile with out them commenting on the calculation of it.  I don't expect them to treat her with kid gloves but I do expect them to critically analyze all the candidates and not let one set the tone of his own coverage and the other gets dissected and put into the worst light possible.  Oddly enough the short bit I watched of the debate coverage on Fox seemed to be the most balanced...I guess cause they don't favor either of them and are critical of both.
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (February 23, 2008 2:03 am ET)
             
          Wierdly, I've noticed that FOX has become the most fair about the Dem. coverage. They're equal-opportunity slanderers, and at least you know where they're coming from. The right-wing pundits over there have also made some interesting criticisms about Obama. They seem like a preview of what's coming.
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    • Author by inspectorbucket (February 22, 2008 9:29 pm ET)
         
      The same old left wing bias at MMFA.  I keep coming to MMFA hoping that a fair media matters and it is always the same thing....you guys utilizing the most tortuous spin to substantiate your usual agenda.  How you turn this McCain story into evidnece that the media is against Democrats is flabbergasting.
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    • Author by bobklahn (February 23, 2008 12:52 am ET)
         

      As much as media matters seems to be the Clinton site, just as moveon.org has become the Obama site, you do them a disservice. You say Clinton's admission that he had sexual relations with Jennifer Flowers is meaningless under the definition submitted by Paula Jones' attorneys. I followed the link to that deposition. The first thing I find appears to be the judge ruling *AGAINST* that definition. 

       You may think it's better to accept that definition to show Clinton maybe or maybe not had sex with Flowers. This is short term thinking. Try thinking one step further. If the definition was ruled out, then all those accusations that Clinton committed perjury about this, either in the deposition or the grand jury testimony, become false.  

      You better look again. You may be selling your favorite short,  very short.  

       

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (February 23, 2008 2:09 am ET)
           

        good point. "Sexual relations" has always meant coitus, and nothing less. Clinton was obviously trying to evade the issue in the other case when he said "I have never had sexual relations with that woman...." But he wasn't lying, because technically, he never did. 

         

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      • Author by Clevenative (February 23, 2008 7:47 am ET)
           

        As much as media matters seems to be the Clinton site, just as moveon.org has become the Obama site

        What is the basis for this thought? -  Or have you simply heard this repeated often enough that you actually believe it?  You parrot the lie then admit that this story does The Clintons a “disservice” in the same breath.

        I’ve been reading most every story that MM has published for almost a year now and have to say they pretty much stick to their mission statement of exposing “conservative misinformation”, regardless the issue or  candidate. If the media bias was the other way around and the vast majority of the misinformation from the media was in regards to Obama – would that mean MMFA was an Obama site?

        Despite what you – or anyone – might take from my posts, I am not “in the Hillary camp”. I am simply pointing out my disgust with the obvious bias in the media against her campaign. I can only conclude one of two things – big-business corporate control of major networks have led to a bias against the candidate they fear the most – OR – the misogynistic “good ol’ boys club” is every bit as prevalent in American society as anyone might have suspected or feared it to be.

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        • Author by billyblog (February 23, 2008 9:27 am ET)
             

          It is a witches' brew of misogyny, sexism, Clinton Derangement Syndrome, and, as Foser points out in spades, double standard reporting where piling on Democrats -- and especially the Clintons -- and giving Republicans a relative pass is SOP.

          I'll go out on a limb and predict that both Rich and Dowd in their columns tomorrow will each engage their inner CDS selves and attack Hillary for being "insincere" in her moving comments in the debate the other night in Austin.  I mean, with such deep seated "character flaws," how could Hillary Clinton possibly say anything sincere?  There has to be a hidden, duplicitous agenda which simply crys out to be exposed to the American public  -- or at least the bien pensants who read The New York Times.

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    • Author by CupOJoe (February 23, 2008 11:05 am ET)
         
      Izvestia nye Pravda, y Pravda nye Izvestia
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    • Author by Midwest Meg (February 23, 2008 11:09 am ET)
         
      I was raised evangelical and graduated from a evangelical college and I hate to go all clinical on y'all, but when I was in college, a lot of my peers were almost Talmudic in their definition of sex. Sex was vaginal intercourse, period, the end. Therefore plenty of other sex acts--including oral sex--were somehow kosher, because if it wasn't vaginal, it wasn't sex. So when Bill Clinton announced that he had not had sex with that woman, he was actually being pretty Baptist about it all.

      The evangelical obsessions about sex and their bizarre definitions about it was only one of many reasons why I had to flee that culture, But it is pretty funny. I mean, how the heck do you think all those folks supposedly stay virgins until they're married? At the height of the Lewinsky insanity, a young cousin of mine in his late 20s, very conservative and very evangelical, told me that while he hated Clinton and wanted him impeached, he didn't believe that oral sex was actually sex.

      BTW, I ended up marrying an Ivy League Catholic guy who says if he had known all this at 18, he might have applied to more evangelical schools. :)_
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    • Author by jmh (February 23, 2008 12:00 pm ET)
         
      I recently saw Bernard Goldberg (on Oreilly, I think)

      attest that the New York Times paid virtually no attention to the Clinton/Flowers et al news back in the 90's.

      This seems hard to believe...perhaps a little statistical review on coverage is in order.

      It is amazing to me how the right wing can spin _everything_ to their advantage and their supposed moral superiority.

      Obama has oratorial skills: used against him.

      Bush has abysmal speaking skills: used as advantage.

      Kerry's Pluses used effectively as Negatives by Republicans...

      Republicans get to break _all_ of the moral rules

      that they so adamantly espouse with little or no accountability.

      And after eight years of Republican administration

      they still blame Bill Clinton for just about everything

      under the sun.

      Republican pundits and wonks get to lie, cheat, gamble, buy drugs, sexually harass, commit virtual loofah assault, slander, etc. etc. with -

      Nary a How Do You Do
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    • Author by scootmandubious (February 23, 2008 12:39 pm ET)
         

      I think that this story goes way beyond what the mass media has done.

      What this story shows is that the GOP knows how to orchestrate and 'play' the media, whereas the Democrats do not. 

      The GOP gets their spin in play, and it resoundingly echoes, because they know what soundbytes to plant and how to give a story, or rumor, legs. They help the media by demonstrating a co-ordinated plan of attack. One perfect example of this was the chorus of right-wing bloggers that rose up immediately after the Rather affair, almost as if it was a well thought-out plan. 

      Since we have a corporatist media that would be inclined to support the GOP anyway, the only way the Dems can counter is to have their own spinners making sure that this story is punctuated, and put out there repeatedly, so that the media can not ignore it.

      I will be interested to see if they make the attempt this time.

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    • Author by LarryE (February 23, 2008 4:21 pm ET)
         
      Just wanted to mention quickly that I'm glad you mentioned that Clinton's remark about "the meaning of 'is'" was proper because the tense affected the answer. I had come to think I was the only one who still remembered that.
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    • Author by temphandle anise57conifer (February 23, 2008 4:32 pm ET)
         

      Anderson Cooper (CNN) typified the hypocritical approach of the mcSAME scandal, first BEFORE even going over the details of story, he labeled is a possible " Smear Story" , trying to prove a negative, before goinf over the details . Mathews did the same, tucker did the same and others .

      Then as it heated up , Borger; Mathews; Cooper and the rest of the cesspool cable shows..spun it to look as if McSAME could benefit from the NYT's Story.and how clever he was by using it as a fund raiser issue. Id I remember correctly Clinton , used an issue or accusation as a "fund raiser issue" and was attacked for doing so .  Now we get the insider tactics applauded by the cable cesspool, oh how clever McSAME can turn it around. Sure he might raise a few bucks more from the hardcore, however they failed to recognize or acknowledge that this scandal, will possibly hurt him in the NATIONAL election with " reagan dems" or independents , for his hypocrisy  on the issue of Lobbyist .  - Kahoneez.

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    • Author by swift (February 23, 2008 4:59 pm ET)
         
      This is a brilliant piece, Jamison. You seldom disappoint.

      The McCain story is being derided as a "hit piece" (Wait, when Bill said something was a "hit piece," he was denounced for using a racist term!) because it doesn't prove that he had an affair with the woman. Sex, for once, isn't the point of the story at all. It was the "close relationship" with a lobbyist, that was so close that some in the campaign thought he was having sex. And that's what McCain is being caught in a lie saying, that he never spoke with Paxson. Clinton rules: get photographed at some party meet-and-greet next to somebody who later is convicted of something, and you're a crook. McCain rules: get caught with your hand in the lobbyist cookie jar, with lobbyists running and financing his campaign, and you're "Mr. Straight Talk."
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (February 23, 2008 7:13 pm ET)
           

        Agree.  Another great piece by Jamison Foser...

        The Cons marketed the strategy of "working the refs,"--the supposedly liberal media.

        It was a bold and audacious strategy, and it has paid off hugely for them.  When this threat to their hapless candidate came up, their infrastructure was in place (talk radio, corporate yakking heads, Fixed News)--they made the noise, ripped in to the "liberal media," and the ignoramus's that make up the American electorate don't know which end is up.

        The Democrats (who as Foser so brilliantly points out) are getting killed in the media, have virtually nothing to say against the media that is killing them.

        The Democrats are begging for a fair hearing, hoping against hope that this time they can escape the media's fangs.  They haven't the infrastructure in place to mount a significant counter-attack, and they're afraid to strike back against the corporate media sleaze which is now a given.

        Barack, they're sharpening their knives.  You're next. 

        The corporate media knows they have to keep this thing close, then they can go in and steal it with the electronic voting.  Two key components of corporate fascism:  1) control the media, 2) control the vote counting

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      • Author by GotKids (February 25, 2008 1:43 am ET)
           

        I want to second Audit's comments. Thankfully MM is there to dissect the double standard that is so glaringly obvious. As a subscriber to the NYT I will be forwarding a copy of this to the Ombudsman who also got it WRONG!

        Again, thank you MM. The check is in the mail.

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    • Author by mary59 (February 23, 2008 7:12 pm ET)
         
      McCain's real trouble is that he used his influence inappropriately to exert pressure on the FCC on behalf of Paxson Communications. At the same time, he was using Paxson's jet to fly to fund raisers and receiving contributions from them.

      http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/22/behind_the_john_mccain_lobbying_scandal

      And unlike John Edwards, that makes him a hypocrite.
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      • Author by juliajayne (February 24, 2008 12:01 am ET)
           
        Thanks for that link, Mary. Interesting conversation. I hope it gets investigated further.
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        • Author by mary59 (February 24, 2008 12:35 am ET)
             
          Me too. The real story isn't the alleged "romance" but McCain in bed figuratively with a media company.

          I used to be able to create links before they upgraded this site. Can anyone tell me how to do it now?
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