"Media Matters"; by Jamison Foser
Meet Tim Russert
"It's never the question that's the
problem, Matt, it's the answer."
-- NBC's Tim Russert
"It's 'never the question
that's the problem'? Really?
Spoken like the guy who gets to ask the
questions."
-- CJR's Liz Cox Barrett
MSNBC recently
began running commercials touting its coverage of "Decision 2008."
One begins with on-screen text asking, "Why
do people care about politics?" Viewers then hear Tim Russert explain:
"It's about the war. Our sons and daughters. It's about the
economy. Our jobs. It's about education. Our schools. It's about
health care. Our families' well-being. It's about everything that
matters." The ad ends with the on-screen declaration: "That's
why you care. That's why we cover it."
The serious and high-minded approach to political coverage Russert brags about
would be a welcome change from the political coverage for which Russert is
responsible.
During this week's Democratic presidential debate, Russert didn't
ask a single question about global warming, continuing his longstanding
habit of all but ignoring the topic. He didn't ask a single
question about the mortgage crisis. (As one Cleveland resident noted,
"We've got the mortgage industry's toxic waste scattered all
over this city, but Mr. Blue-Collar-Buffalo-and-Cleveland-Marshall-Guy Russert
couldn't be bothered with a question about it.") He didn't
ask a single question about executive power, the Constitution, torture, wiretapping, or other civil-liberties concerns. But that shouldn't come as a
surprise; of all the questions he has asked while moderating presidential
debates during this campaign, only one has dealt with any of those topics.
He has, however, asked
Dennis Kucinich what he felt compelled to insist was a "serious question" -- whether Kucinich has seen a UFO. And he has asked about John Edwards' expensive haircut.
Funny, Russert doesn't mention UFOs or haircuts in that MSNBC promo.
Russert's performance as a moderator of this week's debate has drawn widespread
criticism. Most appalling was his bizarre fixation on Louis Farrakhan.
Russert asked Barack
Obama about Louis Farrakhan's praise
for the Illinois
senator. Obama, who had previously
denounced Farrakhan, did so again. Then Russert asked about Farrakhan again. So
Obama reiterated his denunciation. Then Russert, (who, I can only assume, was
not bothering to listen to Obama's responses) asked about Farrakhan
again. So Obama again reiterated his denunciation. Russert, plowing ahead,
asked yet another question about Farrakhan, prompting Obama to answer yet
again.
Josh Marshall summed up
Russert's behavior nicely: "It was a nationwide, televised, MSM
version of one of those noxious Obama smear emails."
This wasn't the
first time Russert made the odd decision to ask Obama about controversial
comments made by a famous African-American.
During a 2006 interview, Russert asked Obama about controversial comments Harry
Belafonte made the day before. But Belafonte, as Jane Hamsher noted at the
time, had made similar comments two weeks before, and Russert had never asked
any guest about them. Russert gave no indication of why Obama was uniquely
qualified or required to comment on Belafonte's comments. (The only other
time Russert has ever asked anyone about any comments made by Harry Belafonte,
according to Nexis? 2003, when Russert asked then-Secretary of State Colin
Powell about comments Belafonte made about U.S. actions
toward Cuba.)
Given Russert's badgering of Obama about Farrakhan, you might be wondering how
he handles endorsements by controversial figures who have a history of
statements that are widely considered to be anti-Semitic ... when the endorser and the endorsed are both white
Republicans.
Last November, Pat Robertson endorsed Rudy Giuliani during a joint event at the
National Press Club where Giuliani praised
Robertson as "a person of great, well-deserved reputation." Robertson has
endorsed Jerry Falwell's claims that 9-11 was the
fault of "abortionists," feminists, and the ACLU. He has suggested
that the annual Gay Days event at Disney World would result in "the destruction
of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs, it'll bring earthquakes,
tornadoes and possibly a meteor." He has linked Hurricane Katrina to
legalized abortion. He has said
"Jewish people" are "very thrifty" and "very wise
in finance."
Robertson wrote a bizarre conspiracy theory book called New World Order that, Anthony Lewis noted,
"relied [so] heavily on a British anti-Semitic writer of the 1920's,
Nesta H. Webster ... one sometimes thinks of plagiarism." Lewis concluded
of Robertson: "Perhaps Pat Robertson in his heart is not an anti-Semite.
He just thinks a satanic conspiracy led by Jews has threatened the world for
centuries. The best you can make of such a defense is that he is a plain,
ordinary crackpot."
That's who Pat Robertson is; that's who Rudy Giuliani praised as "a
person of great, well-deserved reputation." Now: How did Tim Russert react to Giuliani's enthusiastic
acceptance of Robertson's endorsement? On Today
on November 8, 2007, Russert said it would be "helpful" to Giuliani. In
early December, Russert hosted Giuliani on Meet
the Press. Russert didn't ask Giuliani a single question about
Robertson. On January 24, Russert moderated a GOP debate. Russert didn't ask a
single question about Robertson -- even though
the debate took place in Florida,
which was central to Giuliani's campaign "strategy" and which is
home to a large number of Jewish voters who might not look kindly on
Robertson's theories about a "satanic conspiracy led by Jews."
So: During this week's Democratic debate, Russert grilled Barack Obama about
Louis Farrakhan, who Obama had repeatedly denounced prior to the debate, whose praise Obama did not accept, and who Obama reiterated his
denunciation of multiple times during the debate.
Yet Russert never once asked Rudy Giuliani about his enthusiastic acceptance of
Pat Robertson's endorsement or about his praise
for Robertson. Not one question. He never said on NBC or MSNBC a single word
about Robertson's history of inflammatory comments causing problems for
Giuliani.
The double standard couldn't be
clearer. The only question is, what it is about Barack Obama and
Rudy Giuliani that makes Tim Russert treat them so differently?
Why does Tim Russert think Barack Obama and Colin Powell are uniquely required
and qualified to talk about Harry Belafonte? Why does Tim Russert think Barack
Obama has to explain praise from Louis
Farrakhan that he did not accept,
but Rudy Giuliani doesn't have to explain an endorsement from Pat Robertson
that he did accept?
Glenn
Greenwald has more.
Given the intensity with which Russert questioned Obama about Louis Farrakhan -- a person whom Obama has
nothing to do with -- two of
Russert's own associations may be of interest:
- At the beginning of Russert's June 2004 appearance on Rush Limbaugh's radio show, Limbaugh noted: "We don't have guests on this program, but we made an exception here for our friend Tim Russert of NBC News." Russert replied, "It's an honor to be here, Rush. Thank you very much. " Later, the two reminisced about sharing a steak dinner. Although the appearance came just weeks after Limbaugh's comparison of the torture at Abu Ghraib to a fraternity prank, Russert politely chose not to ask his host about the comments, or about any of Limbaugh's countless inflammatory statements about women and minorities.
- Russert was a frequent guest on Don Imus' radio show and appeared just two days after Imus' comments about the Rutgers women's basketball team that ultimately led to his firing. Russert didn't say anything to Imus about the comments, nor did he comment on the Imus controversy in any other forum. Phil Noble noted in the Columbia Journalism Review in 2000 that at least one of Russert's appearances on Imus' radio show featured the two men engaging in what Noble described as "kidding" about homosexuality. Noting Imus' lengthy history of anti-gay rhetoric, Noble concluded: "Russert's kidding was the equivalent of sharing a watermelon joke with David Duke."
Back to this week's debate. Russert asked Obama a question about "keeping your word." When Russert sets up a question by announcing that it is about the candidate's character, there's a pretty good chance that he is about to reveal something about his own. (Last fall, Russert began a question to Hillary Clinton by announcing that the question "goes to the issue of credibility." He was right; the question went to his credibility: Everything he said after that was false. More on that below.) In this case, Russert asked about Obama's position on accepting public financing in for the general election if he is the Democratic nominee:
RUSSERT: Senator Obama, let me ask you about motivating, inspiring, keeping your word. Nothing more important. Last year you said if you were the nominee you would opt for public financing in the general election of the campaign; try to get some of the money out. You checked "Yes" on a questionnaire. And now Senator McCain has said, calling your bluff, let's do it. You seem to be waffling, saying, well, if we can work on an arrangement here. Why won't you keep your word in writing that you made to abide by public financing of the fall election?
This is horribly misleading. In fact, in response to the questionnaire Russert referred to, Obama wrote: "Yes. ... If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."
So when Obama now says, as Russert puts it, "if we can work on an arrangement," that isn't "waffling," that is entirely consistent with his response to the questionnaire. Russert mischaracterized Obama's response to the questionnaire in order to accuse him of "waffling" and not "keep[ing] your word."
In response, Obama correctly noted that what he had previously said was that if he is the nominee, he will "sit down with John McCain" to pursue an agreement. Russert then followed up: "So you may opt out of public financing. You may break your word." But as Obama had just explained (and as his answer to the very questionnaire Russert cited confirms) the "word" Obama had given was that he would pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee -- exactly the position he holds now. Russert was dishonest in saying that Obama would be breaking his word if he opts out of public financing.
As bad as his performance this week was, it wasn't as bad as his handling of last fall's Democratic debate in Philadelphia. That may have been the all-time worst performance by a debate moderator. To cite just two examples: Annenberg's FactCheck.org agreed that Russert's question about the Clinton archives was "breathtakingly misleading." Another question misrepresented previous questions Hillary Clinton had been asked (including one of Russert's own questions), misrepresented her answers, quoted her saying things she did not say, then concluded by suggesting that Clinton is a liar. Somebody was lying, all right, but it wasn't Hillary Clinton. I explained Russert's stunningly bad performance in greater detail at the time.
It takes a special kind of dishonesty to falsely describe someone's previous comments in order to accuse them of lying and breaking their word. There should be a word for that kind of behavior. In light of Russert's question to Clinton last fall and to Obama this week, perhaps it should be called "pulling a Russert."
After Russert was blasted by FactCheck.org for a "breathtakingly misleading" question to Clinton about the archives, you'd think he would be extra careful to get it right next time, wouldn't you? In this week's debate, Russert again asked Clinton about the archives -- and Russert again got the facts wrong.
Russert's mishandling of the influence that comes with his lofty perch atop the political media food chain is by no means limited to his conduct during presidential debates.
Last year, Russert was interviewed for a Bill Moyers report about how the Bush administration "misled the country" into the Iraq war with the help of a "compliant press ... [that] pass[ed] on their propaganda as news and cheer[ed] them on." During the interview, Russert famously complained that, during the run-up to the war, nobody called him to tell him they had concerns about the administration's case for war: "My concern was, is that there were concerns expressed by other government officials. And to this day, I wish my phone had rung, or I had access to them."
Though the image of one of the nation's most influential reporters staring at the phone, waiting for it to ring rather than actively seeking out the news might strike you as appallingly poor journalism, it isn't the most self-damning thing Russert said during the interview.
When Moyers asked him about the three networks' reliance on the Bush administration for their Iraq stories, Russert responded: "It's important that you have an opposition party. That's our system of government" -- suggesting that the reason the media relied on the Bush administration for Iraq reporting was the lack of an opposition party. The notion that the media shouldn't challenge the government unless the political party out of power does so first is self-evidently wrong. But Russert was also wrong about the lack of an opposition party, as I explained last year:
There was an "opposition party" during the run-up to the Iraq war. The majority of congressional Democrats opposed invading Iraq and voted against the law authorizing the use of force. Among the Democrats who voted against the authorization were some of the party's most prominent and powerful members, including Sens. Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, and Dick Durbin, and Reps. John Conyers, Nancy Pelosi and Charlie Rangel.
Given that the majority of congressional Democrats voted against the authorization, including such household names as Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer, how could Tim Russert suggest there was no "opposition party" during the Iraq debate?
Maybe because there was scant evidence of an opposition party on Russert's Meet the Press during the run-up to the Iraq war. On his personal blog earlier this year, Media Matters for America Senior Fellow Duncan Black examined five months of Meet the Press guest lists, starting on the day Congress authorized the use of force against Iraq to the day coalition forces actually invaded. Of the appearances by Democrats that involved a discussion of Iraq, eight appearances were by Democrats who voted for the authorization, and only three were by Democrats who voted against it.
Remember, a majority of Democrats voted against the authorization; but on Russert's Meet the Press, there were nearly three times as many Democratic supporters of the authorization as opponents.
Is it any wonder that Russert said there wasn't an "opposition party" during the Iraq debate?
In November 2006, Russert demonstrated that he still didn't have room for the "opposition party" on his television show: The first broadcast of Meet the Press after Democrats won control of both houses of Congress, due in large part to their opposition to the Iraq war, featured two guests: John McCain and Joe Lieberman. Neither was elected as a Democrat. Both are among the staunchest supporters of the Iraq war.
Over the years, Russert has regularly smeared Democrats and progressives over issues large and small:
- Last year, John McCain launched a petty attack on Barack Obama over an Obama press release that spelled "flack jacket" with a "c" in the word "flack." You might think that a United States senator treating a debate over war as though it was a spelling bee would be mocked by the media for trivializing questions of life and death. Not when the senator is John McCain; not when the media figure is Tim Russert.
Here's how Russert reported the flap: "Senator Obama talked about Senator McCain going to an Iraqi marketplace warring a flak jacket and surrounded and protected by American troops, but misspelled the word flak. And Senator McCain seized on that, suggesting that Senator Obama doesn't have the necessary experience in military and security affairs."
Other than the inanity of repeating McCain's attempt to correct Obama's spelling, Russert made another mistake: He didn't bother to check to see if McCain was right. In fact, Webster's, NBC congressional correspondent Mike Viqueira, and several U.S. military websites all agree that "flack" is an acceptable spelling of the word. So Russert's repetition of McCain's attempt to spell-check Obama's press releases was not only inane, it was also fundamentally false.
- During a January interview with Hillary Clinton, Russert aired a truncated quote by former President Bill Clinton to falsely suggest that Bill Clinton had been talking about Obama's presidential campaign when he said, "This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen." In fact, Bill Clinton's "fairy tale" comment had been about Obama's record of opposition to the Iraq war, not about his bid for the presidency. Before airing a clip of Bill Clinton's remarks, Russert told viewers: "This is exactly what President Clinton said in Dartmouth. Here is the tape." But the clip showed Clinton saying only 15 words, and omitted the sentences immediately prior, which make clear that Clinton was talking about Obama's position on Iraq. Russert's use of the video clip was beyond misleading and well into dishonest -- the whole dispute was about the context of the "fairy tale"; the transcript shows Russert was clearly wrong, and he played a video clip that omitted any of that context and acted as though it proved he was correct.
- Russert blamed Bill Clinton for the fact that North Korea had purportedly expanded its nuclear weapons program from having the ability to build two nuclear devices in 1993 to 13 in 2006: "When President Clinton said that, the North Koreans probably had the potential to build two nuclear devices. It's now up to 13. And if nothing is done, when George Bush leaves office, it could reach 17. It seems as though the United States talks tough with North Korea, but allows the program to go forward." Russert omitted the rather important detail that, as Media Matters noted, "North Korea did not produce any plutonium, nor build or test any nuclear bombs, during Clinton's eight years in office."
- Five months after Democrats won control of both houses of Congress in a campaign in which the Iraq war was a central issue, Russert announced that "Democrats have always had a difficulty being competitive with the Republicans in the public voters' mind on national security and foreign policy issues." Not only was Russert's claim contradicted by the results of the most recent elections, it was contradicted by contemporaneous polling.
- In June 2006, Russert asked a guest if same-sex marriage was an issue "that the Republicans used successfully to demonstrate that the Democrats were out of sync on cultural -- and values." But, as Media Matters noted, polling leading up to the 2004 election "found that the public was split equally on which party better represented their values," and that "[m]ore recent polling indicates that more people think Democrats better represent their values than do Republicans."
- Immediately following the January 15, 2008, Democratic presidential debate he moderated, Russert misrepresented statements by Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John Edwards in order to suggest that their positions had shifted since a September 2007 debate Russert moderated. (Russert, in other words, "pulled a Russert.")
- In October 2006, Russert falsely claimed that "one-third of [convicted lobbyist Jack] Abramoff's money went to Democrats." In fact, Abramoff, a powerful Republican activist, never gave a dime to any Democrat. This is not an obscure fact; the false GOP talking point that Abramoff had contributed to Democrats had been debunked long (and often) before Russert made the claim. Earlier in the year, Washington Post ombudsman Deborah Howell faced a barrage of public criticism for repeating the false claim.
- In November 2006, Russert suggested that Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid (NV) opposed lobbying reform and the creation of the Office of Public Integrity. In fact, Reid had introduced lobbying-reform legislation calling for the creation of that office.
- Speaking about Hillary Clinton earlier this year, Russert suggested that there is irony in a "self-avowed feminist" having shown "some emotion," as though feminists are the dour, humorless beings Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson think they are. At least Russert stopped short of using the term "feminazis."
- In February 2007, Russert said: "My ear heard something that I had not heard from Democratic candidates in some time. Up front, Senator Obama began his speech with references to his faith, and then came back to that same issue in the speech. ... What's that about?" This is abject nonsense. It is a Republican lie to say that Democrats do not discuss their faith.
Just the week before -- seven short days -- Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards had talked about his religious upbringing. Where? In an interview on Meet the Press. Tim Russert's Meet the Press. How did the topic come up? Russert read Edwards a quote of Edwards saying, "I was raised in the Southern Baptist church and so I have a belief system that arises from that. It's part of who I am. I can't make it disappear." Edwards responded in part: "I grew up in the Southern Baptist church, I was baptized in the Southern Baptist church, my dad was a deacon. In fact, I was there just a couple weeks ago to see my father get an award. It's, it's just part of who I am."
So: On February 4, 2007, Tim Russert read John Edwards a quote of Edwards talking about his faith. Tim Russert then (presumably) listened as Edwards spoke of his faith, of having been baptized, of his father being a deacon. Seven short days later, Tim Russert told America that it had been "some time" since he last heard a Democratic candidate talk about faith.
Other examples of Democrats discussing their faith abound: Hillary Clinton. Bill Clinton. John Kerry (including in his speech accepting the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination, which, presumably, Russert listened to at some point). Name a significant Democrat; it's a near certainty he or she has discussed his or her faith. It is simply false to suggest otherwise, as Russert did. Russert wasn't telling the truth; he was peddling a right-wing smear of Democrats.
- In 2006, as Democrats were criticizing the Bush administration's decision to allow a company owned by the government of Dubai to run terminals at six U.S. ports, Russert suggested that Democrats were criticizing the deal in order to exploit it for political gain. "Here's the situation," Russert told viewers. "Democrats believe they can look tough on national security." Russert made no mention of the other possibility: that Democrats were talking about port security because they had been talking about port security for years.
The most prominent Democrats in the country -- Bill and Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and John Edwards among them -- had been discussing port security for years. They had been doing so in the most high-profile ways available to them: in speeches at the 2004 Democratic convention, during presidential debates. Even on Tim Russert's Meet the Press, where, presumably, Russert was listening to them.
Yet, in 2006, Russert suggested Democrats had just discovered and were cynically exploiting the issue. (A few weeks later, Democratic Sen. Joe Biden appeared on Meet the Press and told Russert: "I heard you on another show with [Today host] Katie Couric, Tim, saying something, in effect that the Congress hadn't done much either. Back in 2001, we introduced legislation for port security and rail security; 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005. It's been repeatedly spurned by the administration.")
- Last year, during congressional debate over Iraq, Russert said that "the Democratic leadership realizes to vote against funding for the troops would be seen in a general election as not supporting the troops." Russert said nothing similar about Republicans who had voted against a previous version of the bill. To Tim Russert, Democrats who vote against a war-spending bill are voting "against funding for the troops" and will be seen as "not supporting the troops." But when Republicans vote against a war spending bill ... no problem.
Russert is also a serial misinformer about Social Security, frequently parroting bogus talking points produced by conservatives who want to privatize the program:
- In questioning guests about Social Security, Russert uses a pro-privatization talking point about the declining ratio of workers per retiree to join the privatizers in suggesting that the system is in crisis: "When Social Security was created there were ... 42 workers for every retiree. There are now going to be, soon, two workers per retiree."
But economists Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot explained in their book Social Security: The Phony Crisis that this statistic is grossly misleading: "[T]he decline in this ratio has actually been considerably steeper in the past. ... These figures also neglect to take into account the reduced costs faced by the working population from having a smaller proportion of children to support. A more accurate measure of the actual burden faced by the employed labor force would be the total dependency ratio, which includes both retirees and children relative to the number of workers."
In using the alarmist pro-privatization rhetoric, Russert neglected to mention that the decline in the worker-to-retiree ratio has been steeper in the past. Nor does he mention that the total dependency ratio is, and is projected to remain, considerably lower than it was in the past.
- Contrary to his carefully cultivated reputation as a tough interviewer who won't let guests get away with anything, Russert allows advocates of Social Security privatization to spin and mislead with impunity.
- Russert employs crisis rhetoric favored by the privatization lobby and frowned upon by those who prefer to discuss Social Security accurately. He does so in part by trumpeting a decade-old quotation of Bill Clinton talking about the Social Security trust fund (and by attempting to use the quotation as a gotcha when interviewing Democrats). Clinton's comments were based on projections that were accurate at the time, but more recent projections show the trust fund to be in much better shape. Russert's use of Clinton's 1998 comments based on 1998 projections to argue that Social Security is in crisis now is like a child going to her parents in the dead of winter and citing a weather report from the previous July to argue that she should be able to wear shorts to school.
Along with his carefully cultivated image as a blue-collar son of South Buffalo, the thing everybody knows about Tim Russert is what a tough questioner he is. Like his regular-guy shtick, everybody knows this in large part because Russert himself keeps telling us it's true. He told Time magazine, for example, "I just don't let any kind of personal feelings interfere with my professional job, with my professional mission of trying to elicit information and ask questions. I believe very deeply, particularly about someone running for president, that if you can't answer tough questions then you can't make tough decisions. And so I apply that standard to all candidates from all parties."
In a piece headlined "How to beat Tim Russert," Slate.com's Jack Shafer wrote, "Plotting his interviews out like chess matches, he deploys aggressive openings, subtle feints, artfully constructed traps, and lightning offenses to crack the politicians' phony veneer and reveal the genuine veneer beneath. ... If you've switched your position on anything, or if your views on, say, the balanced budget clash with your advocacy of new tax cuts, expect Russert to grill you."
But this popular (and Russert-approved) view of Russert isn't quite right. There are a variety of ways you can avoid such tough questioning.
You could, for example, advocate Social Security privatization. If you do that, you can not only use a variety of phony arguments and bogus claims to buttress your position, you can do so with the confidence that if you need a moment to catch your breath, Russert himself will fill in for you.
Or you could be a Republican senator and presidential candidate talking about the decision to go to war in Iraq. Important Safety Tip: Do not skip the part about being a Republican.
In the first few months of 2007, Russert interviewed John McCain, John Edwards, and Joe Biden. All were running for president. All had been in the Senate for the 2002 vote authorizing the use of force in Iraq. Russert asked all of them about the decision to go to war. Russert asked Biden and Edwards why they voted to authorize the use of force despite the "caveats" in the 2002 NIE that cast doubt on the notion that Iraq was a threat to the U.S. But when Russert interviewed McCain a few weeks after interviewing Biden, he let McCain assert that the invasion of Iraq "was certainly justified" because "[e]very intelligence agency in the world, not just U.S., believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction."
Oddly, Russert -- the notoriously tough questioner who won't let anyone get away with anything and who brags he applies the same "standard to all candidates from all parties" -- didn't challenge McCain about the doubts expressed by American intelligence agencies in the NIE. (A year earlier, McCain had claimed on Meet the Press that "every intelligence agency in the world believed that he [Hussein] had weapons of mass destruction." Russert didn't challenge McCain that time, either. He does keep asking Democrats about the NIE, though.)
Media Matters has documented many other examples of Russert lobbing softballs to conservatives and letting them get away with misleading spin and false claims:
- Russert allowed former Reagan adviser Ken Adelman to claim that "no one knew" that intelligence indicating Iraq had WMD "wasn't true." In fact, many, people had challenged the accuracy of that intelligence. The "no one knew" claim has long been the GOP's defense against criticisms of its decision to go to war, but Russert was either unprepared to challenge it or uninterested in doing so (just as he would later give McCain a pass on the same.)
- On the May 20, 2007, edition of Meet the Press, guest Newt Gingrich asserted that an alleged plot to carry out an armed attack on Fort Dix was evidence that terrorists "don't plan to stop in Baghdad. They are coming here as soon as they can get here." This is a common right-wing talking point, but it has been repeatedly disputed by experts. In the weeks prior to Gingrich's appearance, The Washington Post, McClatchy, and NPR had all run reports that included intelligence officials and other experts disputing the claim. NPR cited, among others, retired Army Lt. Col. James Carafano, a research fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation. According to NPR, "calls asserting that terrorists will follow U.S. troops home naive and poor rhetoric." The NPR report also featured a clip of Carafano saying, "There's no national security analyst that's really credible who thinks that people are going to come from Iraq and attack the United States -- that that's a credible scenario." But rather than challenging Gingrich's claim, Russert turned to his Democratic guest and instructed him to respond to Gingrich's far-fetched assertions.
- In early 2006, Russert hosted Gen. Peter Pace, then-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and failed to challenge a series of dubious assertions Pace made in support of his claim that the Iraq war was "going very, very well."
- In 2004, Russert asked Jerry Falwell about his comments that abortion rights advocates, feminists, and homosexuals, among others, were responsible for the September 11 terrorist attacks. Falwell falsely claimed that he "likewise" held responsible "a sleeping church, a lethargic church." Falwell wasn't telling the truth, but Russert let him get away with it. Russert also asked Falwell about a study that showed that "[t]he states with the highest level [of divorce] are the so-called Bible Belt, in the South." In response, Falwell asserted that "born-again, Bible-believing Christians who take the Bible as the word of God," the divorce rate is lower. That wasn't true, either -- but again, Russert failed to challenge Falwell. Keep in mind: Russert brought both of these topics up. He presumably had Falwell's 9-11 quote handy; after all, he read it to Falwell. But when Falwell falsely described his comments, Russert let him get away with it.
- Interviewing Sens. John Warner, a Republican, and Joe Biden, a Democrat, Russert asked Warner about whether the Bush administration distorted or withheld evidence that the aluminum tubes sought by Saddam Hussein didn't have anything to do with WMD. When Warner dodged the question, not saying anything about the aluminum tubes but instead simply asserting that Bush "would not intentionally take any facts and try and mislead the American public," Russert did not press Warner either on that dubious assertion or on his failure to answer the question. Instead, he turned to Biden and grilled him on his vote to authorize the use of force, asking Biden about the 2002 NIE that contained caveats about the WMD intelligence. Russert didn't ask Warner why he voted to authorize force despite the NIE caveats.
- Russert allowed Richard Perle to suggest that former Vice President Al Gore supported the invasion of Iraq in a 2002 speech. In fact, during that speech Gore opposed the invasion.
- Russert repeatedly failed to challenge false and dubious claims by Vice President Cheney during a September 2006 interview.
- In 2005, amid speculation that the investigation into the Bush administration's outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame would yield indictments on perjury and obstruction of justice charges, conservatives were frantically trying to downplay the seriousness of those charges. Appearing on Meet the Press, Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison did so by claiming "there were charges against former President Bill Clinton besides perjury and obstruction of justice" during his 1999 Senate trial on impeachment charges. In fact, there were not, as Russert should have known; the impeachment trial was a fairly high-profile event. Nevertheless, Russert let Hutchison's false claim go uncorrected.
- In 2005, Russert hosted RNC chair Ken Mehlman, who claimed that the 9-11 Commission had "totally discredited" the notion that the Bush administration manipulated prewar intelligence. Given that the 9-11 Commission didn't even address the administration's use of prewar intelligence, this was a pretty big falsehood. But Russert let Mehlman get away with it.
- In early 2007, Russert let John McCain make a series of wild claims without challenging them. McCain claimed Joe Lieberman's re-election in Connecticut was evidence that it was not "clear-cut" that the public opposed the Iraq war. Russert failed to note that exit polls showed that Lieberman was re-elected in spite of his support for the war, not because of it. Nor did Russert note that Lieberman spent the bulk of the campaign frantically pretending to be a war critic and trying to convince voters that he intended to end the war and bring the troops home.
McCain also claimed that at the time of the first Gulf War, "only 15 percent of the American people thought we ought to go to Kuwait and get rid of Saddam Hussein there." In fact, a Gallup poll taken the day before the launch of Operation Desert Storm found 79 percent of Americans supported going to war in the Gulf. McCain could hardly have been more wrong, yet Russert didn't correct the glaring falsehood.
- Interviewing Republican California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Russert asked such hard-hitting questions as whether or not Schwarzenegger agreed with the assessment that he had a "mastery of the state's rising independent center"; whether Schwarzenegger thought a description of him as a "moderate" was "fair," the open-ended "What is an Arnold Republican?" and, best of all: "You're a Republican winning in California, a Blue State, in a Democratic year. People would have you on the short list for the Republican nomination in 2008. But they can't for one reason: You were not born in the United States. Is that fair?" Russert had a follow-up to that one: "You've been a citizen for 23 years, shouldn't you have an opportunity to run for president?" In between tossing Schwarzenegger softballs, Russert let him get away with whoppers like his claim that "we have the lowest unemployment rate in 30 years or so." That was true -- if by "30 years or so" Schwarzenegger meant "six years."
Russert doesn't just toss softballs to conservatives when he interviews them. He carries their water in other ways, too.
- As Media Matters' Eric Boehlert has explained, during the 2004 election, Russert apparently knew that then-Cheney aide Scooter Libby had given false testimony to the special counsel investigating the Bush administration's outing of Valerie Plame -- but Russert kept this information secret.
- President Bush and his press secretary indicated during the Plame leak investigation that anyone who had anything to do with the leak would be fired. When it was clear that Karl Rove had participated in the leak, Russert helped the Bush administration move the goalposts, describing Bush as having "said early on in this [investigation] that if anyone broke the law, that he would deal with it." Since Rove was never convicted of anything, under this standard, Bush wouldn't have to fire him.
- Russert adopted the GOP's inflammatory description of a Democratic Iraq proposal as "slow-bleed."
- Russert falsely claimed there was "no evidence" that former head of the Iraqi National Congress Ahmed Chalabi "was associated with Curveball," a relative of a top Chalabi aide who became the most influential source for U.S. intelligence on Iraq's biological weapons program. In fact, independent reporting and the then-recently released Robb-Silberman report on intelligence regarding WMDs (to which Russert referred) indicated a clear connection between Chalabi and Curveball.
- During the fight over President Bush's nomination of Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court, Russert twice claimed that when former President Bill Clinton nominated Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer to the Supreme Court, Senate Republicans voted for them despite ideological differences with the "two liberal jurists." Russert also claimed that Alito's judicial philosophy is "no more conservative than Ginsburg and Breyer's were liberal." Russert wasn't telling the truth. Ginsburg and Breyer were seen as moderate nominees, not liberal, and had in fact been recommended for nomination by Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah.
- Immediately after the 2004 vice presidential debate between John Edwards and Dick Cheney, Russert repeated Cheney's claim during the debate that he had previously never met Edwards until moments before the debate started -- a claim Cheney made in order to suggest that Edwards didn't show up for work at the Senate. The next morning, Russert noted that in fact the two had met multiple times before, including one morning in 2001 when they were both on Meet the Press and, according to Russert, "they stopped and shook hands." Russert said that, during the debate, he "thought that John Edwards would call him on it right at that very moment." So -- according to his own statements -- Russert knew while watching the debate that Cheney had lied. Yet after the debate, he repeated Cheney's lie, without giving viewers any indication that it wasn't true.
Is it any wonder that Cheney's staff believes they can control the message on Meet the Press? The Washington Post's Dana Milbank reported during the Scooter Libby trial:
Memo to Tim Russert: Dick Cheney thinks he controls you.
This delicious morsel about the "Meet the Press" host and the vice president was part of the extensive dish Cathie Martin served up yesterday when the former Cheney communications director took the stand in the perjury trial of former Cheney chief of staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.
Flashed on the courtroom computer screens were her notes from 2004 about how Cheney could respond to allegations that the Bush administration had played fast and loose with evidence of Iraq's nuclear ambitions. Option 1: "MTP-VP," she wrote, then listed the pros and cons of a vice presidential appearance on the Sunday show. Under "pro," she wrote: "control message."
"I suggested we put the vice president on 'Meet the Press,' which was a tactic we often used," Martin testified. "It's our best format."
If you still aren't persuaded that on Meet the Press, it is often the question -- and the questioner -- that is the problem, spend a few hours poking around Bob Somerby's Daily Howler archives. Be sure to seek out his analysis of Russert's interviews with Al Gore, Howard Dean, and George W. Bush.
















I've always dislked Ti8m Russet. He portrays himslef as this impartial media figure but has always had a strong favoritism for republican talking points. I often screasm at my TV in disbelief as he spouts false after false allegationsd, misquotes,half truths and flat out lies, then blankets himslef as diligent media doing its job.
Over the past few weeks, I've grown failry irate with MSNBC and found myself less and less reliant on any of the cable networks coverage.
It's only the Olberman show that remains a becon of hope, unflapably stating matters that normally never see the light of day, or having the courage to say on TV what so many think.
Your next expose will surely be on Dan abrams...
One of the tactics rightwingers (like, for example, Sean Hannity) use is to compile lists of questions they REALLY REALLY want asked of Democrats running for office. The questions are all of the "GOTCHA" variety, and have nothing to do with issues.
Russert has ridden to the rescue of these frustrated character assassins of the Right. Russert can be depended upon to seize on every "SCANDAL" and rumor being pressed by the Rightwing, FRAME it as the Rightwing has framed it, and grill those Democrats.
He has become an unabashed TOOL of the Rightwing, and there is no hint of an actual journalist/reporter. His bias is total. And yet he, and NBC, tout that they're really doing a great job by the American People.
The huge tipoff ... and a great catch by Foser ... is that their PROMO ADS bear no resemblance to the ACTUAL performance of Russert. At some level, they KNOW what he's doing is wrong and improper ... but they choose to just ignore it, and hope to fool people into believing Russert is just an objective guy doing the job the best he can, to INFORM the American People. He's just another layer to the rightwing propaganda machine.
A while back, I think it was during the Xmas to New Years stretch when MMFA took a break, I went on a couple of trips to the wingnut sites. Pretty surprising that at FreeRepublic, Russert is ripped as a liberal journalist who softballs the Dems and is unfair to the Repubs.
Of course there weren't any examples, but it seemed to be accepted there.
And, Tex, speaking of Hannity, have you seen one of his latest killer themes regarding Obama? He has his interviewers go out on the street and find Obama supporters, then asks them what Obama has accomplished in his career. Naturally, most people caught cold walking down the street can't come up with specific legislation or projects to cite, and Hannity gloats over this gotcha like a moron.
I haven't caught the part where he stops McCain supporters and asks them about his accomplishments, but I'm sure my timing is just bad.
Come on Harlan!!
McLame's accomplishments are legendary. He's a straight talker! And he's a maverick, too!
God! don't you liberals watch the news?
COL. SANDERS:
Amazing as it may seem, there are STILL some Rightwingers clinging to the bogus myth that it's a LIBERAL MEDIA. Come to think of it, they ALL still cling to this myth, because they NEED it to retain their VICTIM status at the hands of an unrelentingly SOCIALIST MEDIA (owned by such commies as Murdoch and Ailes and Moon).
The Conservative White Male as America's premier VICTIM has worked for them for decades, they figure, so they'll just keep riding that phony pony.
Think about it this way: EVERYBODY who engages in political opinion speech does so for one of two reasons: EITHER to give rationale to supporters, or to hopefully win over converts. If you examine each new talking point ... and Hannity is a sort of bellwether for introducing each new "topic" ... you see NOT new information, but another example which demonstrates JUST WHAT A LOW VIEW the Right has of the American People. Each NEW topic appeals to the most base and low of human instincts ... fear, hate, suspicion, bigotry, sexism, paranoia, racism. Each new ATTACK on Democrats and Liberals shows a condescending and contemptuous view the rightwing has of the American Citizens (whether feeding their "supporters" or browbeating the opposition).
And these talkers have reason to believe the bile they spew WORKS. After all, these tactics WORKED to install Newt and his majority in 1994, it WORKED to accuse, hamstring, and then impeach Clinton in 1998, and it WORKED to install Bush and his band of merry NeoCons in 2000 and 2004. They believe their tactics WORK ... similar to the dog that gave orders to the Son of Sam, a voice that is a call to action.
It WORKED, to the point that POWER has enabled the Right to affect every aspect of American society ... unending preemptive WAR started for NO REASON AT ALL, turning America into a PARIAH in world opinion, neglect of vets, neglect of the poor, neglect for workers, CONTEMPT for all three, butchering education and health care, border policy which provides endless streams of CHEAP LABOR, Torture, sky-high gas prices and petroleum industry PROFITS, spying on American Citizens, and the destruction of our Judiciary AND the Constitution itself. Yeah, it's WORKED like a charm for the NeoCons, all their DREAMS realized.
[To the rightwinger, an American citizen is a "convert" if they EITHER come over to the dark side (vote Republican), OR if they just get disgusted and cease participating in the political process at all. A major theme of rightwing strategy has been to depress voting, disenfranchise as many of the "wrong sort" of voters as possible, and to corrupt the system to where people believe their vote does not matter. The LOWER the voter turnout, the better the Republicans LIKE it. It's the elitist/aristocratic notion that ONLY the well-heeled should have a say in the nation's governance.]
In the PRIMARIES, Democratic voters have outnumbered Republicans by TWICE to FOUR TIMES the numbers. Americans are RE-ENGAGING in the political process, and most Rightwingers are busily whistling past that graveyard, hoping beyond hope that it's an anomoly, and that come the general election, only a fraction of those energized by Clinton and Obama will actually turn out to vote.
If most of the voters turn out for the general that turned out for the primaries, it will be a wholesale REJECTION of Republicans, a massive landslide for ALL Democrats running, and the GOP is scared spitless that the tsunami is REAL, is COMING, and will wash them away.
It's about damn time.
You’ve done a nice job on an 8 paragraph synopsis of the whole Republican dilemma – and the reasons for it. The grassroots reject-the-hate movement, and wising up to the Republican’s fear mongering tactics has stirred a revolution and created a whole new “silent majority” in America in 2008. Most of my friends, like most Americans, are not even engaged in the primaries or knowledgeable of the daily media antics regarding the candidates – but if I ask any of them who they will vote for this fall, I usually hear, “definitely not a Republican”. I have to admit, I know some people who I’ve heard spout arguments that seem to play along with the “white-guy as the victim” rhetoric – and it surprises me that even they would be willing to vote for Obama. I only look at it as proof of how far off-base Republicans have become and their blindness to what most voters see as being “wrong with America”.
Tex, I think what's going to be interesting is the change in the playbook when the Dems have an "official" nominee. Right now, Hannity, Rush, and the mainstream media are creating a scenario of chaos in the Democratic party, based on the fact that there are two candidates competing for the spot. Grampa McCain can be placed safely in the background to rest, not subjected to any scrutiny.
There is a little fantastic foreshadowing being done by the mouthpieces, that the Dem nominee will be in real trouble once they come up against the GOP competition. The focus of the Repub smear machine will be the real obstacle, not so much the issues or McCain, but the audience is being programmed to think that this is the easy part for the Dems, and the script is being loaded into their minds.
I have a feeling the GOP campaign may hit new levels of shamelessness, but I don't think they're really fooling themselves that they have much to work with. The desperation is showing already, and it should be one of the more interesting general elections of my lifetime.
Well-said.
Unfortunately, another negative outcome of this is that people like Russert use RW criticism, taken together with legitimate criticism based on actual EVIDENCE of poor journalism, from moderate and left-leaning sites, as high praise. As articulated by the equally feckless ombudswoman at the Washington Post, D. Powell, if the right doesn't like what you're doing, and the left doesn't like what you're doing, you're probably doing something right! A more illogical conclusion would be hard to find--in what other workplace is all criticism accepted as equally valid, and widespread well-founded criticism seen as a good thing?
Tex:
WELL SAID!!! (applause)
Absolutely Tex...
He's part of the corporate elite media. He's an untouchable.
He's a multi-millionaire. You can smell Russert from 500 miles. The man is more full of himself than Limbaugh--and just about as obvious.
Thankfully, Media Matters has exposed him to be the joke that he is. He just doesn't have the balls to be a real journalist--though he huffs and puffs and tries so hard make believe he is one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AI8mC8XucY
I don't know why so many people seem to be under the impression that tim russert, and what he does, is necessary to these "debates".
In the truest sense of the word, to Moderate a Debate is to enforce (however gently) the Rules of the Debate, and to invoke those Rules when it seems the Principals in the Debate, the Debaters themselves, are bending or breaking those Rules.
Please note that the role of the Moderator is not the role of the Debater: he is not a Principal in the Debate, and it is not his opinions or thoughts or even words that are sought, by those attending or listening to the Debate. It is the opinions and words of the Debaters (in the present case, Presidential Candidates) that are sought by those listening... they, the Debaters or Candidates, are the ones we are listening to... it is them running for Office (in this case), and not the Moderator.
The opinions of National Policy expressed by tim russert in his "moderation" of the current "debates", are no more sought by the National Electorate, than are the opinions of Town Policy held by the Town Moderator, sought by those attending Town Meeting: in that institution also, the Moderator serves only to enforce and invoke the Rules of the Town Meeting.
tim russert did not "moderate" these "debates" in any way that I could see.
Instead, he (and his colleagues like him) served to interrupt the Debaters, the Candidates, every 45 seconds or so, and with every interruption, to steer the Candidate's words and opinions to wherever tim russert et al wished to steer them.
What I just described (and which I can hardly think you'd disagree with), is not the "moderation" of a Debate: it is the DICTATION of it.
tim russert et al did not and are not "moderating" these Presidential Debates, they are DICTATING them.
Here is the role of the Moderator, and a thumbnail sketch of the format and rules of a Debate, given in an example, so that you may better understand me (and I do not dream here, for this is not an imaginary form of Debate, but the true one... and the dream is not mine, but the nightmare your's, and the Presidential Candidate's, as all persist in allowing, for reasons unknown to me, tim russert et al to serve the roles they presently serve in these current "debates"... the role of DICTATING the "debate"):
The Moderator introduces the Debaters (the Presidential Candidates) in a manner approved of by each Debater whose introduction it is (and let the others then twist and dispute that chosen introduction, if they so wish, when they have a turn to do so).
The Moderator states the Rules of the Debate, which are (in Presidential Debates especially) little more than the Rule of EQUAL TIME: because if the Debaters are allowed to speak in equal portions of time, then all is well, as whatever ill is expressed in the time of one, can be defended and salved in the time of the other.
Then the Moderator (however gently) enforces that Rule, by by alternately recognizing and introducing the one Candidate's EQUAL TIME, at the expiration of the other's.
Thatr's it... that's all the Moderator does... that's all the Rule we need for a Presidential Debate: EQUAL TIME... that's all a Moderator need ever invoke or enforce, once the Debate starts.
Sen. Clinton speaks for 5 uninterrupted minutes, and then Sen. Obama also, for 5 minutes, back and forth like that, without interruption, alternately and in EQUAL TIME.
Candidates Clinton and Obama say whatever they like... they ask one another questions (always at the end of their time, or else they enable their opponent to ignore it)... they answer each others questions or resond to the other's comments (often at the beginning of their time, as it still hangs freshly in the air)... maybe they don't ever address or respond to one another at all... it doesn't matter...
WE MATTER, and THEY MATTER, and they speak to us in EQUAL TIME, and we listen...
It's a PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, and if it's dicated by anyone, it's dictated by the Debaters, as Principals, the Presidential Candidates themselves... and the Rules should be dictated by us, because it's our next President's words and opinions we seek...
NOT tim russert's...
He doesn't matter...
He isn't necessary!
We need a Moderator, yes, one as I just described... we do not need tim russert et al to DICTATE these "debates", by interrupting the Candidates every 45 seconds, and continually steering their words and thoughts... that's not the true role of a Moderator in a Debate.
Just three words...
In any piece of strikingly good journalism, such as this one from Jamison Foser, there is almost always a single sentence or phrase that captures the essence of the issue.
It seems to me that Foser distilled Russert's deposits on the growing mound of MSM scat into this: "appallingly poor journalism."
Beautifully done, Jamison.
What a breathtaking article.
If a comparable article about any other employee in any other profession were read by their boss, that person would be fired.
Still, democrats need to have sharper answers ready. (It's easy to prepare for the questions, just look up the latest right-wing talking points.) They need to talk to people like Russert as if they were children. "Now Tim, the little question box I checked said, and I quote, 'If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.' What I am saying now is the same thing. Do you know what an agreement is, Tim?" You'll get trashed 24/7 anyway; might as well take them down with you.
Let's just bottom line this:
Russert is a man of average intelligence who is in the wrong job. By drawing a salary off of being a "serious journalist" Russert is in way over his head.
His gotcha shtick is his way of proving his machismo to the Republicans he craves to please. It's his hackneyed way of saying: "Behold my Republican accusers; I am fair & balanced."
The person who hired Russert (and, in turn, who refuses to fire Russert) is the true culprit here.
Steeve says:
If a comparable article about any other employee in any other profession were read by their boss, that person would be fired"
I think this is exactly what needs to be done. Removing Russert from his perch and from his all too central position in American political discourse by exposing him as the less than brilliant, partisan, thoughtless hack that he is would be a major public service.
A broad, constant and relentless campaign of holding Russerts' feet to the fire and exposing his faux toughness and hypocricy will go a long way to achieving that.
This is a super posting. Historians of the future, assuming that we will continue to be a free people, should start with this Foser article when looking at the politics of the era of Bill Clinton and w presidencies, and the role of russert and the MSM.
I find it interesting that big time dem bashers russert, matthews, and, to a lesser extent, stephanopolous, all have extensive backgrounds in dem politics. That is conceding that matthews didn't start as a dem.
Mr. Russert conducts interviews and debates as one would conduct a push poll--sly, subtle and insidious.
I wish so much the debates were still run by the League of Women Voters (and moderated by Bill Moyers--a national treasure).
Thank you to Jamison Foser for a brilliantly researched piece! I'm forwarding this to everyone I know!
Media Matters is doing invaluable work with its documentation of Russert's never-ending display of explicitly implicit partisanship and bad journalism. Unfortunately, the public at large will not notice until Russert's shenanigans are revealed on a larger stage.
Remember when Bush the First traded jabs with Dan Rather? Bush went into the interview with the intention to mix it up with Rather and challenge Rather's line of questioning. Granted, Bush skirted legitimate questions and never admitted to the fact that the preponderance of evidence pointed to the fact that he was well aware of the Iran/Contra affair, but that was never the point. Even though Bush did not admit to the facts let alone stand a chance of challenging them, the confrontation shifted attention to Rather.
Russert has never really been called out by an individual with the capacity to shine a glaring spotlight on his obvious favoritism when it comes to interviewing and questioning politicians. As long is it is only Media Matters and other "dismissable" internet sources, Russert and his ilk will feel comfortable with the status quo. I would think that a high-level Democrat (Gore maybe?) armed with facts, (a luxury rarely afforded to the Republicans) and with recognizable popularity and gravitas might do a fine job revealing to the public that the Meet the Press kingpin wears no clothes. Until someone does this, Tim Russert will continue to get away with doing and saying the things that this thread exposes.
Good points, Linden. In a recent post here I compared Bill Clinton to a Champaign bottle that has been shaken for a year. The Democrats have a whole case of bottled effervescence waiting to blow – Al Gore is another example. As soon as the Dems settle on a candidate it will all explode. The only reason it hasn’t already is because so many of these wingnut talking point falsehoods have been picked up and used by the Democratic candidates themselves against their opponent. Speaking out now would make any one of the Democratic Statesman who have all these bottled-up opinions and anger toward the Republican smear-machine look like they are endorsing the candidate for whom the smear was directed.
In the meantime, the party Statesmen (and women) can always stop here at MM for any of the fuel they might need to heat their bottle to the point of busting the cork.:)
Martin:
Nothing new , it's the old guilt by association , forcing Obama to get on his hands and knees for him and the jewish lobby . Rehashing old statments form Farrakhan , was just attempt to play gotcha and for group a people who are only 3 % of the population to get that much attention is absurd, but shows you the disproportionate amount of power the jewish lobby has .
The other sleazy set up question was Russert's overly dramatic " IF THEY ASKED US TO LEAVE " will you pull U.S. troops out of iraq " to a certain extent a no win answer question , Say no we won't leave , we'll Russert will attack him for supporting an occupation and leave and this is the follow up that was connected to the previous question , people are failing to make the connection . The following question will you " go back in if Al qaeda starts building bases or becomes a threat ' .
Now McCain or McSAme never mentions the first question " leaving because they are a sovereign country "AND WAS ASKED TO LEAVE , nor did Norah O'Donnell , Why would you leave Al qaeda is " already in Iraq " , we'll that's because of the FIRST set up question designed to trap Obama .
See it was a clever way to make it nearly impossible to answer the question without looking like you're doing the wrong thing .
EXCELLENT job JF in bringing together all of these facts. I hope this starts to get broader attention.
I've long believed TR is one of the most overrated newsmen in America. His kid glove treatment of Cheney in 2006 sealed it in my mind. And this overrating has severe consequences -- he is frequently a moderator of these debates.
Tim is probably the most dangerous (because of his "credibility") but there seem to be problems with all of these newsmen who moderate these debates.
I believe that for the fall debates there should be independent moderators, not affilated with TV news, and who have justifiably high ratings for their integrity.