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The press hits rewind on the Clinton scandals

March 25, 2008 12:11 pm ET

How dreadful was the news coverage last week surrounding the official release of Hillary Clinton's public White House schedule from her eight years as first lady? So bad that I found myself in rare (unprecedented?) agreement with at least two prominent conservative bloggers who noticed the same thing I did: The Beltway press corps is, at times, a national embarrassment.

The unusual document dump came after professional Clinton snoops at The New York Times filed a Freedom of Information Act request to see the voluminous paperwork. That was followed by a lawsuit from the right-wing Judicial Watch organization, which owes its fame to the Clinton scandals from the 1990s. As Hillary Clinton noted last week, the highly unusual schedule release from the National Archives likely confirms that she is "the most transparent person in public life." (Former vice presidents Al Gore and Dan Quayle, for instance, never released their old White House schedules while running for president.)

After months of relentless media chatter and speculation about what sort of investigative gold might be buried in the Clinton schedules, reporters, in the end, were left with very little to write about. So they did what they always did during the '90s, they fell back on worn-out sex and scandal narratives and pretended it was news.

Surveying the news coverage, conservative blogger Rick Moran posed the same question I had last week, "Do we really need to know where Hillary was when Monica Lewinsky was with her husband? Or where she was when Vince Foster committed suicide? ... And does it deserve this feeding frenzy from the media?"

It's true that the Clinton schedules did become a political issue within the Democratic primary race with questions raised by Sen. Barack Obama's campaign about whether the former first lady's itineraries sustained her claims of White House experience. And in that context, the schedules were certainly newsworthy and should have been reported on in order to inform news consumers. In fact, The Politico deserves credit, since its news story on the topic, written by Kenneth Vogel and Andrew Glass, was the only one I read or saw that focused entirely on the political ramifications of the schedules without wandering into pointless rehashing of previous Clinton scandals.

On the opposite end of the spectrum though, was some awful journalism, including failing efforts from The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal -- the Post's because it was built around the childish notion that the schedules should have revealed more about Clinton's emotions -- her feelings -- during the '90s, and the Journal's for obsessing over what the schedules told us about the death of Vince Foster. (Hint: absolutely nothing.)

But of course what really got journalists excited about the document dump was the fact that it allowed them to talk about White House sex. ABC News, which earned some place in journalism purgatory for its hellacious Clinton impeachment coverage, couldn't wait to dish the dirt in a highly inappropriate way.

This was the breathless lede of the abcnews.com story that came complete with a photo of Lewinsky's semen-stained blue dress: "Hillary Clinton spent the night in the White House on the day her husband had oral sex with Monica Lewinsky, and may have actually been in the White House when it happened."

Ah, oral sex in the White House. Doesn't that make you nostalgic for the Gin Blossoms, Seinfeld, and everything '90s? I have no idea what the news value was of ABC arousing itself in public that way, but apparently 10 years after the fact Americans needed to be informed.

Also, a quick question for ABC's Brian Ross, whose ABC News Investigative Unit hyped the big blow job scoop: How exactly did he get access to "17,481 pages of Sen. Hillary Clinton's schedule as first lady" when virtually every other news organization in the country (CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, Washington Times, Los Angeles Times, etc.) referred to the 11,000 pages that were released by the National Archives? Did Ross really uncover an additional 6,000 pages that no other reporter knew about? Just asking.

Anyway, soon lots of news outlets joined in and stressed how the big news was that Hillary was in the White House while her husband fooled around:

  • "Sen. Hillary Clinton was in the White House on multiple occasions when her husband had sexual encounters with Monica Lewinsky, according to newly released documents." -- CNN.com
  • "Hillary Rodham Clinton was home in the White House on a half dozen days when her husband had sexual encounters there with intern Monica Lewinsky." -- Associated Press
  • "A shameless President Bill Clinton had secret Oval Office sex eight times with Monica Lewinsky when his wife was under the same roof, Hillary Clinton's private records reveal." -- New York Daily News

Here's the thing, though: We already knew that. The media's big scoop last week about Hillary's whereabouts during the Lewinsky episodes has been public knowledge for nearly a decade, thanks to independent counsel Kenneth Starr. Or did you really think that during his relentless, $70 million investigation into the president's sex life that Starr and his team of obsessive vice cops never answered the simple question regarding Hillary's whereabouts during the trysts?

The Washington Post's Peter Baker let the truth slip out while appearing on MSNBC and discussing the fact that Hillary Clinton "was in the building" when Lewinsky fooled around with her husband. Noted Baker, "That's not entirely new [information], we sort of knew that, but it sort of reinforces what we learned at the time the Starr Report came out in 1998."

In other words, the scoop last week had been hiding in plain sight for nearly a decade.

More dumb and dumber? Read the following nugget from The New York Times' coverage and then decide whether to laugh or cry. It came as the Times tried to squeeze some nonexistent excitement out of the schedule release by tying it to the Lewinsky story:

On Wednesday, Jan. 21, 1998, the day the Lewinsky scandal exploded into public view, Mrs. Clinton held meetings and discussions between 7:25 a.m. and 7:50 a.m. with people whose names are redacted from her schedule.

So, on the day the Lewinsky scandal broke, the first lady met with somebody that morning for 25 minutes. The Times had no idea who she met with or what was discussed, yet the meeting deserved mention 10 years later because it represented "a small window into Mrs. Clinton's activities after revelations of the Monica Lewinsky affair in early 1998."

I suppose the emphasis should be placed on "small."

Truth is, we actually know that the 25-minute meeting the Times highlighted had nothing to do with the Lewinsky scandal because, as the National Archives made clear, the schedules released only reflected the first lady's public meetings, which meant any face-to-face that had to do with Clinton's personal affairs -- including various scandals and legal problems -- was omitted.

Of course, that didn't stop reporters from pretending to be surprised that non-public meetings were missing from the released schedules. At Newsweek, that's what former Starr ally Michael Isikoff, along with Mark Hosenball, did, noting that all kinds of scandal-related meetings were not part of the public schedules released. As part of their "web exclusive," the duo -- bringing back that beloved Clinton-era narrative where any innocuous fact can be wrapped in ominous overtones -- reported that "anybody looking through Hillary Clinton's newly released White House records for clues as to how she handled this personal crisis will find ... absolutely nothing." Of course, both reporters knew those meetings were never going to be included, but they acted shocked just the same. (Ross at ABC played up the same nonsense.)

Note that Isikoff and Hosenball also complained that for the month of August 1998, there is no reference in the first lady's public itinerary regarding the fact that Al Qaeda forces bombed two U.S. Embassies in Africa. I kid you not.

The Post and the Journal win for worst coverage

Some in the press also appeared to have been expecting Clinton's personal diaries, not her public schedules, to be released. Acting the most confused was Libby Copeland at The Washington Post, who wrote up an entire report about how the schedules didn't reveal anything about Clinton's emotions. The documents were "all mechanics and no feeling."

Copeland wrote that "any insights here into the presidential candidate's interior life ... are between the typewritten lines and the reader's imagination." We know what Clinton "did on any particular day," Copeland complained, "but not what she felt," not what "she thought about."

Honestly, what kind of fool turns to a government-issued public schedule to try to divine "insights" into somebody's "interior life," into how they "felt" or what they "thought about"?

Copeland, who works for the largest newspaper in the nation's capital, which prides itself on its political sophistication and understanding of how the federal government truly operates, was apparently bewildered at what the schedule showed. Naïve beyond her years, Copeland was amazed that the first lady's schedule was stuffed with details about local weather forecasts and notations about time zone differences, as well as phonetic spellings for important people with tricky last names who Clinton was scheduled to meet.

All of this was a revelation for Copeland and the Post.

Post readers, though, many of whom have extensive backgrounds in government, were less amazed and quickly ridiculed Copeland's article at washingtonpost.com:

  • "What pea-brains expected to find ANYTHING in a schedule other than time, date, person? A SCHEDULE IS DESIGNED TO TELL US JUST THAT!"
  • "Does Copeland think [a schedule] should read like a sixteen year old girl's diary? There is something deeply troubling about the Washington Post and its reporters."
  • "This is a ridiculous article. Are you seriously complaining that the schedule of the first lady of the United States is too detailed?"
  • "I am shocked that the Post writes as if it has never seen a Washington politician's schedule before."

Lastly, there was the Journal's dreadful Vince Foster reporting. He's the former senior Clinton aide and longtime Arkansas friend who committed suicide in 1993 just after joining the Clinton administration. The saga became a focal point of wild, right-wing conspiracies, with conjecture coming from the editorial pages of The Wall Street Journal, as well as Rush Limbaugh, who once told listeners that Foster may have been murdered in an apartment owned by Hillary Clinton.

Independent counsel Ken Starr spent three years and millions of dollars investigating Foster's death, only to confirm what local law enforcement officials understood almost immediately: Foster had killed himself. (I'm guessing Foster's suicide note proved to be a telling clue.) Again, the former first lady's released schedules provided absolutely no new information about the Foster suicide.

But that didn't stop the Journal from devoting an entire blog post to dissecting Clinton's whereabouts at the time of Foster's death. The dispatch truly was jaw-dropping and disgraceful. It even drew the scorn of conservative blogger Ed Morrissey, who wrote, "I searched in vain for anything newsworthy in this post, but found absolutely nothing. Why write this post at all?"

The piece was written by Elizabeth Holmes and headlined, "Clinton's Calendar and Vince Foster." Holmes justified the scrutiny by suggesting, "Hillary Clinton's schedule sheds light on are her activities before, during and after major events in her husband's presidential tenure." According to Holmes, Foster's death was a "major event" from Clinton's tenure, which seems like a stretch to me, considering the extraordinary and often historic episodes that transpired during Clinton's eight years in office. Meaning, for journalists and Clinton-haters, yes, I suppose Foster's death was a major event. But if you asked 100 random Americans to list the five most important events from Clinton's two terms, I doubt five or more would mention the sad tale of Vince Foster from the first months of the Clinton presidency.

But more importantly, as Morrissey noted, the obvious (and honorable) thing to do would have been for the Journal to stress how the new White House information confirmed, yet again, that there was no connection between Clinton and the Foster death, and maybe even stress how the so-called scandal simply highlighted the irrational and often toxic atmosphere that dominated D.C. during the Clinton years.

Instead, Holmes played dumb, first by giving credence to the suggestion that "many conspiracy theories persist suggesting [Foster] was murdered." From there Holmes diligently detailed "the last time" Clinton "officially" met with Foster ("from 11 a.m. until noon"), where she slept the night before the suicide ("a hotel in Santa Barbara"), and where she was the fateful moment of the suicide ("Clinton would have been in the air at that time.").

And how about this touch: "Foster was reportedly found dead at a park in around 6 p.m. local time" [emphasis added]. "Reportedly"? We're talking about perhaps the most investigated suicide in the history of Washington, D.C., yet Holmes left readers with the impression that questions remain unanswered about the most basic facts regarding Foster's death, like when his body was found.

I remain in heated agreement with the conservative Morrissey:

The Wall Street Journal should know better than this. It panders to nutcases and then fails to deliver on the promise of its headline and lede. I await with bated breath the non-story regarding the non-connection between Hillary's schedules and the overdose death of River Phoenix.

The release of Clinton's White House schedules hit the rewind button in lots of newsrooms last week as reporters jumped at the chance to revisit the good ole days. I suppose that was to be expected. Yet for those who paid close attention to the press during the partisan battles of the '90s and bemoaned the Fourth Estate's collective performance, watching last week's Keystone Kops routine surrounding the relatively simple story of the first lady's schedules being released confirmed a disturbing truth: The political press corps, in terms of standards and professionalism, is probably in worse shape today than it was 10 years ago.

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    • Author by dazedandconfused26 (March 25, 2008 12:40 pm ET)
         

      Is the world so boring that the media keeps having to invent news?

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      • Author by shoes89 (March 25, 2008 1:11 pm ET)
           

        Sorry, but it's Hillary who's been "inventing news."

        Hillary recently said that she landed in Bosnia in 1996 under "sniper fire." Now it turns out that tale was completely bogus. Hillary now says she "misspoke."

        Only in the last couple days has the MSM begun to really report on Hillary's phony tale. And I don't see anything about this in Boehlert's column.

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        • Author by dave_chicago (March 25, 2008 1:14 pm ET)
             
          News flash, genius: this site covers media misinformation that furthers the conservative agenda. It doesn't cover what Shoes89 wants it to cover, just because you want it.
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          • Author by achrispage6992 (March 25, 2008 5:26 pm ET)
               
            You're right but, Boehlert would like you to believe... poor Hillary, the conservative media is at it again with these false and trumped up re-runs of past scandals. The reality is that issues like the lie about Bosnia kind of take away from her victimhood. I see your point though, it is well taken.
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            • Author by solon (March 25, 2008 8:45 pm ET)
                 

              Yes he has a point. And Bohlert does too. The press is salivating about rerunning the old Clinton smears. Then again I am a lefty. I never much liked Hillary. I am shocked though she would do something as DUMB as to lie about something so easily checked.

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              • Author by Les is more (March 26, 2008 7:34 am ET)
                   
                How can you be shocked that a Clinton lied? Newsflash for Solon: CLINTONS LIE.
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                • Author by solon (March 26, 2008 6:33 pm ET)
                     
                  SHOCK Les. This isnt true just because you have been instructed to believe it by the Limbog hivemind. Overall I dont see Hillary nor Bill as that dishonest. Compared to Bushs CONSTANT lying they are George Washington. Here is an update for YOU. You are brainwashed and never know what you are talking about.
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        • Author by pete592 (March 25, 2008 1:27 pm ET)
             
          Sorry, but Hillary's not a member of the media.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (March 25, 2008 2:00 pm ET)
               
            And Shoes89 isn't a member of the coherent.
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        • Author by dazedandconfused26 (March 25, 2008 1:47 pm ET)
             

          The Vince Foster crap was invented news 14 years ago, and it's invented news now. They are just hitting that target audience of idiots who will beleive anything bad about the Clintons as long as you say it enough times.

          As for the Bosnia thing, she was an idiot to claim that. But I dont care, this wasn't about that. Besides I didn't vote for her, and I hope not to have to vote for her in November.

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        • Author by solon (March 25, 2008 2:58 pm ET)
             
          Still unable to comprehend something as simple as this sites mission statement I see. When the press misrepresents it they probably will cover it and until then its outside their perview. Why dont you stop wasting our time with your LOOK OVER THERE attempts and find a reasonably bright five year old to explain the mission statement to you?
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        • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 25, 2008 3:02 pm ET)
             

          Nor do we see any coverage on McCain's embrace of a guy who wants Christianity to declare war on Islam in the MSM, why?

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        • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 25, 2008 3:09 pm ET)
             
          This coming from the guy who probably doesn't think its important how we got into Iraq,e
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        • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 25, 2008 3:10 pm ET)
             
          This coming from the guy who probably doesn't think its important how we got into Iraq, eh?  Which one is a bigger story?
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        • Author by Linus (March 26, 2008 4:44 pm ET)
             

          Shoes89 says:  Sorry, but it's Hillary who's been "inventing news." Hillary recently said that she landed in Bosnia in 1996 under "sniper fire." Now it turns out that tale was completely bogus. Hillary now says she "misspoke."

          Sorry, Shoes89, but Sen. Clinton hasn’t been "inventing" anything. Her account of her trip to Bosnia in ‘96 was neither "tale" nor "completely bogus." It was nothing more than flawed recollection of a dramatic and historic event. The Charleston Gazette reported on the trip contemporaneously (3/26/96):

          "Protected by sharpshooters, Hillary Rodham Clinton swooped into a military zone by Black Hawk helicopter Monday to deliver a personal 'thank you, thank you, thank you' to U.S. troops.…Mrs. Clinton became the first presidential spouse since Eleanor Roosevelt to make such an extensive trip into what can be considered a hostile area, though others have visited hot spots."

          Sen. Clinton didn’t make up the sharpshooters (i.e., "snipers"), nor did she make up the anti-sniper tactical "swoop" onto the airstrip. The First Lady was under the protection of U.S. snipers as her aircraft landed and as she walked the tarmac. An event/ceremony with local children and their teachers planned for the tarmac had been cut because of "reports of [enemy] snipers in the hills around the airstrip." (Living History, p. 343.) In its retelling, the story has simply grown — perhaps reflecting and amplifying some of the anxiety Sen. Clinton must have felt going into an active war zone. People simply remember things differently; they’re not necessarily lying or making things up. The passage of time leads to embellishments and exaggerations — the stereotypical fish story where the catch gets bigger with every telling.

          Many years ago, I was fortunate to get to travel extensively with my parents. When we reminisce about our travels to almost forty countries, we invariably have different recollections of the same events. Some so different that we have to wonder, "were you on the same trip I was on?!?" My parents and I don’t "invent" things, and none of our recollections is "completely bogus." We simply remember our experiences differently.

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          • Author by solon (March 26, 2008 6:35 pm ET)
               
            I bet you would have ALL remembered whether or not you had been shot at.
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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (March 25, 2008 12:41 pm ET)
         
      Poor timing on this one, as Hillary's misremembering (thanks for the new word, Clemens) of her Bosnia visit is all over the headlines now.
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      • Author by dazedandconfused26 (March 25, 2008 12:50 pm ET)
           

        That was not very bright of Hillary to inflate something that badly that was so easy to verify.

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        • Author by BottleBlonde (March 25, 2008 1:46 pm ET)
             

          That was not very bright of Hillary to inflate something that badly that was so easy to verify.

          That's the very reason why it clearly was not a purposeful mistake. She's not that stupid. She would not have lied or exaggerated something like that on purpose. She misspoke. There's no other reasonable conclusion.

          Hillary haters assume the worst, even when it makes no sense.

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          • Author by dexteritas0071418 (March 25, 2008 2:07 pm ET)
               
            She did not misspeak any more than McCain misspoke. At best, she was sorely mistaken and forgetful. At worst..
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            • Author by BottleBlonde (March 25, 2008 2:15 pm ET)
                 

              I 100% disagree that it's the same as what McCain did.

              Repeatedly he said that a group that has no association with Iran was inextricably linked to Iran. There's no shading there. It's a black and white error by McCain.

              On the other hand, Hillary's plane did land in a strange way, and in condensing the story, she didn't give an accurate picture of the events, but the flavor of the event was not all that different.

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              • Author by dexteritas0071418 (March 25, 2008 2:27 pm ET)
                   

                No, she completely, utterly, and directly exagerrated and lied about the situation. Walking somewhere under sniper fire is not the same thing as walking while waving and greeting folks. Not having a meet & greet is different than having a meet & greet. Period.

                McCain repeated a single falsehood several times. Hillary told a protracted story, with political gain to be had, that was mostly false and exagerrated. They are AT LEAST the same.

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                • Author by BottleBlonde (March 26, 2008 1:49 am ET)
                     

                  Not true, again. Your repetition of it does not magically make it become reality.

                  There was the threat of sniper fire. The meet and greet was cut short. The plane had to approach the airport in a protective way. She was wearing a flak vest under her coat. It was deemed too dangerous at that time for the President to come. All the crazies would have come out to hunt him down, they feared, and less would be coming for her, but still some.

                  She's told that story countless times, and this time she said that there was sniper fire and other times she's said that there was a threat of sniper fire, and so because of that threat, they behaved in a different way than what they would have without that threat.

                  Hillary haters will out themselves on stories like this. Reality is too easy for them, so they invent things.

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            • Author by solon (March 25, 2008 3:00 pm ET)
                 
              REALLY did she say it THREE TIMES? I dont know if she misspoke or tried to enhance her resume. Either way it was a bad gaffe and NOT THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD. Please no more LOOK OVER THERE moments.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (March 25, 2008 1:11 pm ET)
         
      Brilliant move by the hillary campaign and send the press off to chese ghosts. Specially Mathews who can't contain his own spit. Brilliant move.
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    • Author by anotheramerican (March 25, 2008 1:12 pm ET)
         
      Writing about the Clinton scandals is like putting Princess Di on the cover of People Magazine. It sells.
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      • Author by pete592 (March 25, 2008 1:31 pm ET)
           
        Which exemplifies what's wrong with the media today:  the drive for profits at the expense of a drive to inform.
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      • Author by snoopy (March 25, 2008 1:35 pm ET)
           
        Well heck, let's just get rid of the press and just buy national enquirer from now on.
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        • Author by Governor (March 25, 2008 1:40 pm ET)
             
          I'll do it!  Though they've been eerily silence about Richardson's beard…
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          • Author by dbeden4153 (March 25, 2008 2:16 pm ET)
               
            I would guess they haven't covered it because it's actually hair, not a weird space alien on his face.
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      • Author by worrierking (March 25, 2008 1:36 pm ET)
           
        I never took you for a People Magazine guy, AA.

        Wait until the Colonel finds out.
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      • Author by dave_chicago (March 25, 2008 1:39 pm ET)
           
        "It sells"

        And that fulfills the media's obligation to the public?
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        • Author by anotheramerican (March 25, 2008 3:03 pm ET)
             
          Welcome to the real world.
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          • Author by dave_chicago (March 25, 2008 3:16 pm ET)
               
            The question was, do YOU feel "it sells" fulfills the media's obligation to the public (i.e., you)?
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    • Author by proudconservative (March 25, 2008 1:39 pm ET)
         

      The problem with the releasing of Mrs. Clinton’s itinerary is that the framework for scandal expectation is already in place.  We know of the president’s sexual escapades and that makes for ‘interesting’ journalism no matter the political affiliation.  To ask the media to ignore this is like asking the crowd to stop watching a fireworks display, you just can’t because you are expectantly awaiting the next explosion.

      A similar expectation was previously demonstrated by the media in researching a previous presidency.  Most media outlets were looking for affirming evidence that Ronald Reagan was a nothing more than a savvy communicator, had no intellectual depth and was completely disengaged from the enterprise of remaking America’s standing in the world.  What closer scrutiny uncovered however, was that this was a man with a well reasoned vision of what America could be, a profound understanding of the evil ingrained in communism and having a passion to articulate that to citizenry here and throughout the world. (Remember the candles in window conveying 'solidarity' with Poles under the weight of communism)  That was a message that resonated with the people but never comprehended by the elites found in media and otherwise.  Most journalists assumed him a buffoon, but upon inspection found a wise man; not one interested in self aggrandizement but rather one focused on goal of enlarging liberty, knowing its effect upon improving the human condition.

      This from a Time article in 2003:

      “The letters counsel humility to journalists and scholars alike, by revealing how little we know in real time about what goes on in the White House. Reagan emerges as a much more hands-on President than many of his aides—and their sometimes self-promoting memoirs—suggested. While recuperating from a gunshot wound in 1981, Reagan sat down in the White House solarium and drafted a four-page letter to Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev, appealing to the their common humanity to reduce tensions between the two countries. The letter is genuine, heartfelt—and sublimely idealistic. When he showed it to top aides, they blanched; Presidents did not send such personal appeals right off the bat, they said. Reagan and his aides went back and forth for days; at one point, the State Department was given the job of writing an alternative letter. In the end, however, Reagan made sure that both letters were sent.”

      The full article is found at  http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030929-488776,00.html

      It is such a shame that in all likelihood what will be found within these recently released documents will only reinforce the nation’s conception of the Clinton Whitehouse and Presidency.  One that was filled with self-absorption and self-preservation brought about by a vision of this country as purveyors of disharmony in the world and that its founding principles of little consequence in the modern age.
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      • Author by worrierking (March 25, 2008 1:41 pm ET)
           
        The nation’s conception, or yours?
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        • Author by proudconservative (March 25, 2008 1:52 pm ET)
             

          anxietyriddledqueen,

          One that evidently many others share.  If not, why the concern regarding a potential media feeding frenzy?

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          • Author by worrierking (March 25, 2008 1:58 pm ET)
               
            I'm not at all concerned about a media frenzy. I'm concerned that you claimed to know the pulse of the nation, then backtracked to say that many share your opinion.

            It's your opinion. Great. some other people share it, great. But the nation does not share your opinion and I doubt it shares mine.

            You made a claim and then you backtracked. You can make up all of the cute names for posters you don't agree with but it doesn't change the fact that you stated one thing, and changed it when challenged.
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            • Author by proudconservative (March 25, 2008 2:15 pm ET)
                 

              panicladenmonarch,

              It is my opinion for sure, but my response was intended to question the pre-emptive strike by MM(vl).  Why assume that there is going to be a return to the stories that Bill and Hilliary created in the 1990's, unless there is an undercurrent of belief that MM)vl) has sensed and is attempting to thwart?

              I still contend that the 'nation' will have their preconceptions affirmed if this story goes forward.

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              • Author by solon (March 25, 2008 3:09 pm ET)
                   
                Because ProudMORON they know how you hiveminders and your Limborg masters operate
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          • Author by solon (March 25, 2008 3:08 pm ET)
               

            Because ProudMORON they know hiveminders like YOU will repeat anything no matter how stupid.

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            • Author by Les is more (March 26, 2008 7:36 am ET)
                 
              You just repeated yourself.
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              • Author by proudconservative (March 26, 2008 3:52 pm ET)
                   

                moreorless,

                It could said of all of saloony's posts, not just the ones he double clicks.

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                • Author by solon (March 26, 2008 6:37 pm ET)
                     
                  ProudMoron it COULD be said by LIARS like  you. Anything could since you are never constrained by truth or reality. I do often repeat myself since I am usually posting to braindead morons like YOU and repitition is your native language. I am only trying to communicate with mental deficients. I welcome the day I only have to make a point ONCE and you guys stop LYING ABOUT IT.
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      • Author by dave_chicago (March 25, 2008 2:01 pm ET)
           
        ---"We know of the president’s sexual escapades and that makes for ‘interesting’ journalism no matter the political affiliation"---

        "We" doesn't mean the majority of Americans, contrary to the projection in that point of view.

        The "We" really means right-wing conservatives who continue-ten years later-to relive the fun days of wallowing in scandal-mongering and Clinton-bashing, and basking in Reagan-as-God idolization.

        A weak, copy-and-paste post.
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        • Author by proudconservative (March 25, 2008 2:06 pm ET)
             

          secondcitydave,

          I am not wallowing in the filth found in the Clinton administration, just pointing out how history has a way of sorting things out.  We will see what new information comes from this peek into her background.

          I also am amused by the apparent surprise that some on the left feel when they hear that the Clintons maybe of suspect character.

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          • Author by dave_chicago (March 25, 2008 2:17 pm ET)
               
            ---"I am not wallowing in the filth"---

            Oh, no, perish the thought. It's just that the information is so "interesting" that we quiver with anticipation over what "we will see".

            ---"I also am amused by the apparent surprise that some on the left feel when they hear that the Clintons maybe of suspect character."---

            In the right-winger's view, it's all about "amusement". It's old news, but let's giggle again like we did in '98 over a stained dress.
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          • Author by dbeden4153 (March 25, 2008 2:23 pm ET)
               

            "I also am amused by the apparent surprise that some on the left feel when they hear that the Clintons maybe of suspect character."

            Worrier, have you expressed surprise on this thread?  Dave, you?  I haven't seen it so far...

            your amusement is obviously in your own head, which is your right, and which I find amusing in return.  So I guess it's meta-amusing, for me at least.

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          • Author by solon (March 25, 2008 3:11 pm ET)
               
            ProudMoron, Oh PLEASE you are still sniffing Clinton sheets because of your obsession with the Clenis
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      • Author by solon (March 25, 2008 3:07 pm ET)
           
        Oh please Ronald Raygun was a moron and a liar and all the attempts you guys make to rewrite history with or without Time magazine is not going to make me forget the REALITY of his embarassing press conferences and his basic stupidity. He went to Lebbanon during their period of unrest. The political situation there was complicated. The foriegn minister spent half an hour trying to explain it to him and his response was " Did you know your NOSE looks just like Danny Thomases?" When Pierre Trudeau was coming to visit the administrations press secretary was asked what was being done to get him ready and Speakes said. Trudeau is a political intellectual who can speak off the top of his head about any political situation in the world today. Mr Reagan isnt there yet and frankly ISNT EVER GOING TO BE. Try to peddle that bilge to someone who wasnt paying attention at the time. Your obsession with the Clenis is just sad.
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        • Author by roundhouse (March 26, 2008 1:22 pm ET)
             
          Exactly. Reagan ushered in the era of industrial and environmental deregulation, faith based politics and strategic deficits. He disemboweled essential social uplift programs, busted wage protecting unions, cut taxes for the wealthy, reversed tax investment in the commons and promulgated the outright lie that the private sector is more capable in all circumstances to provide quality public services.

          The man, may he rest in peace, was a special interest shill.
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          • Author by proudconservative (March 26, 2008 3:57 pm ET)
               

            sitsaroundthehouse,

            Stop it please!  You're just making me tear up!  Oh, I do miss the good ole days!

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    • Author by BearCountry (March 25, 2008 1:42 pm ET)
         

      There is virtually no reason for the SCLM to be anything other than a megaphone for all of the wingnut and rethug talking points.  They suffer no consequences for doing that.  In fact, they are quite well rewarded; they get to attend all of the "in" parties and be close friends with the political elite (rethug version).  If a dem is elected President in November, the SCLM will quickly regain their "investigative" bones by parroting all of the rethug attacks on the President in an attempt to make it impossible to accomplish anything.

      As far as Clinton "misspeaking," it was certainly stupid on her part, but certainly no worse than st. mccain strolling around a "safe, open" market in Baghdad with all of the Army security and a flak jacket, or his senario of his Shia-Sunni cooperation.

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    • Author by sc_parker (March 25, 2008 1:48 pm ET)
         

      Has anyone ever considered why it is that scandal constantly follows this woman?  Hillary is one of the most dishonest corrupt people to ever seek office.

      Her dodging sniper fire in Bosnia is just the latest appelation of this woman's pathological inability to tell the truth.

      As Dick Morris said, "She dodged sniper fire in Bosnia kind of like she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary."

      Travelgate - Billy Dale

      Vince Foster rolled around in a carpet after he "committed suicide".  Interesting there were no powder traces on his hands. 

      Missing Whitewater billing records under subpoena that mysteriously turned up in the White House residence.

      She turned $1000 to $100,000 overnight in cattle futures - just beginners luck.  It's called straddling folks, and it's illegal.

      She enabled Bill in his serial abuse of women.  She hired private investigators to smear Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Dolly Lyle Browning, Juanita Broaddrick, etc.  How did Kathleen Willey's cats die?

      Hillary peddled victimhood into a sympathy vote to gain a US Senate seat.  Hillary was responsible for the Northern Ireland peace talks - David Trimble, John Hume, George Mitchell, and Bertie Ahearn say otherwise.

      She has vast experience in national security.  Really, doing what?  I suppose that if Tiger Woods injures himself before the Masters, his wife can substitute for him.  She will win the Masters because she has experience of being there with him and witnessing him winning it.

      Hillary is a fraud.

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      • Author by solon (March 25, 2008 4:10 pm ET)
           
        Please if you MUST regurgitate this kind of hivemind stupidity, change it up a bit. Its BORING to read the same BS already long ago swatted away nonsense over and over again just because you wont let a serviceable LIE DIE. Here is a clue you DESPERATLY NEED. Just because the Limborg TOLD you to believe it doesnt make it true.
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    • Author by dazedandconfused26 (March 25, 2008 1:52 pm ET)
         

      "What closer scrutiny uncovered however, was that this was a man with a well reasoned vision of what America could be, a profound understanding of the evil ingrained in communism and having a passion to articulate that to citizenry here and throughout the world."

      Not according to his own wife, and I'm guessing she scrutinized him pretty closely. The man was half senile when elected, and had full fledged altzheimers by the end of his second term. But I will admit he had great speech writers.

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      • Author by proudconservative (March 25, 2008 2:01 pm ET)
           

        knighedandlucid,

        I am not certain of Nancy Reagan's thoughts, I think his first wife called him a bore.  Is that what you were referring to?

        http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030929-488776,00.html

        http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101030929/tletters_hefner.html

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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (March 25, 2008 2:02 pm ET)
             
          Proof once more that pride goes before a fall.
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        • Author by solon (March 25, 2008 3:16 pm ET)
             
          ProudMoron, I guess since you wingnuts go to the memory hole so often to dispose of the discredited nonsense you were trying to peddle last week like the lies Bush foist on us for invading Iraq you think we have no memory. I REMEMBER Raygun. A liar and a moron. His press conference were an embarassment. For the first few months the press would spend about ten minutes correcting all his gaffes. Something like well we didnt BOMB Libya yesterday we just censored them in the UN and we arent sure why Raygun gave a four minute answer on taxes about a question on El Salvador and as for his answer to the question about Iran frankly we dont even know what he was talking about. Then they gave up. His lies and stupidities were so prevalent it was useless.
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        • Author by anotheramerican (March 25, 2008 3:32 pm ET)
             

          Proud,

          I think you bring up an interesting point. The sins of Bill while in office are very much an issue for Hillary. You can see some in here rise up in indignation that the media will go back and resurrect  this issue but it is part of the Clinton legacy and whether one thinks it is fair or not, Hillary has to be able to withstand this scrutiny once again as she was a major player (duh) in the White House during that time.

          Just like Obama is associated with Rev. Wright, so is Hill to Bill and McCain to Keating. 

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    • Author by nerzog (March 25, 2008 1:54 pm ET)
         
      Does anybody think it's a coincidence that Hillary is getting hammered all of a sudden? She was pulling even in some polls with Obama, so the Corporate Media Whores have to knock her back a notch. The phony outrage over Reverend Wright may have already peaked, so they'll start hammering that again once they slow Hillary down. It's all about prolonging this thing so that their chosen one, Gramps McCain, won't have to work too hard in the Fall.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (March 25, 2008 2:04 pm ET)
           

        Does anybody think it's a coincidence that Hillary is getting hammered all of a sudden?

        Bush looks like he is getting hammered, too, just not in the same way. 

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      • Author by dazedandconfused26 (March 25, 2008 2:04 pm ET)
           
        I'm not sure if it's that much of a conspiracy. I just think people are getting bored of the Rev. Wright sound bites and they needed some new drama to boost ratings. This was the closest thing they could find. McCain's doesn't get her done, puts the audience to sleep.
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      • Author by roundhouse (March 25, 2008 2:34 pm ET)
           
        Maybe so, Nerzog. It should be apparent by now that one of the Dems needs to step aside and allow the other to start campaigning against McSame and for the presidency.
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    • Author by defenestrator (March 25, 2008 2:05 pm ET)
         
      With all due respect to Boehlert on this one, the First Lady releasing her schedule when she was not in an elected position, while running for president 7 years after being in that unelected position is a little different than, at the very least, Al Gore releasing his vice presidential schedule while still Vice President.  I'm sure Gore would be requested to release his schedule from then if he were running now.  I don't think anyone ever took Quayle seriously enough to care.
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    • Author by obamacan (March 25, 2008 2:48 pm ET)
         
      It isn't the past scandals that turn people off to Bill and Hillary - it's the new statements.  I used to like Pres Clinton - but he has shown how he acts when backed into a corner (shouldn't have been surprised) and Hillary will do whatever it takes to win - including bring down her Democratic opponent.  After his comments, the last Democratic President will not be a credible supporter of Sen Obama if he wins - that in enough itself is a shame.  This Republican may now vote for Nader if Clinton is the Dem. My spouse will now NEVER vote for Clinton - that wasn't the case months ago. Shame on YOU Hillary.
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    • Author by barbrajeanne3947 (March 25, 2008 2:55 pm ET)
         

      Eric,  Unfortunately, we all knew this was going to happen sooner or later.  Because it is old news, it is never going to have the "legs" the Obama Minister story is having.  The Press covers the elections like a Gossip Columnist out of control.  I cannot watch it any longer and now resort to movies at night while Cable News bloviates about Hillary and Obama.  Thank you for bringing reason and sanity to the coverage of this election cycle.

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    • Author by proudconservative (March 25, 2008 3:04 pm ET)
         

      Now the challenge for candidate Clinton

       http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/03/obama-releases.html

      Jeremiah's offering plate looking pretty empty, whether Obama in the pew or not!

      I suppose now we will get the rewinded stories on Bill and Hilliary deducting their underwear on tax returns.

      http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/feder122897.html

      Enjoy!

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      • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 25, 2008 3:06 pm ET)
           
        Maybe we can get the rewind on Ambassador Peck's comments about chickens coming home to roost.  The media certainly likes Wright's comments about it, can you imagine if that is imputed to a Reagan Republican?
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        • Author by anotheramerican (March 25, 2008 3:22 pm ET)
             

          Fried,

          Even though Peck served as Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism in the Reagan years, he was a career State Department official. As one can imagine, the WHTFoT probably did not have the stature that it does now. Being Deputy Director is not exactly a policy making position. His comment of "chicken's coming home to roost" was something like 15 years after his tenure in the Reagan Administration and represents what I would call a common viewpoint of the angry left. is fairly common here and was used famously by Malcom X years before.  

          I think the controversy arises from Wright's usage of Peck's words from the pulpit. Of course both men have the right to their opinion, but it is one thing to have a personal view and quite another to preach it to a congregation in a sermon.  If Barak Obama wants to associate himself with his pastor that uses that type of rhetoric, he is free to do so. 

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      • Author by solon (March 25, 2008 3:18 pm ET)
           
        And ProudMORON goes for the LOOK over there tactic. Dont look at the man behind the curtain. WWWAAHHHHH.
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      • Author by dave_chicago (March 25, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
           
        --"Jeremiah's offering plate looking pretty empty, whether Obama in the pew or not!"--

        Curiously faulty grammar & punctuation. Accident--or proudly deliberate?
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        • Author by JimmyCraghorn (March 26, 2008 2:39 pm ET)
             

          Proud Thesaurus needs a new grammar book.

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          • Author by proudconservative (March 26, 2008 4:06 pm ET)
               

            jimmycrackcorn & secondcitydavey,

            Thanks for your work with the grammar-police!  You can always diagram my sentence structure whenever you like.

            As for correcting my mistake regarding Obama's paltry offerings....He only sat in the pew when he went to church with gas!

            x's & o's

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    • Author by anotheramerican (March 25, 2008 3:42 pm ET)
         
      Considering that there are over 4,000 redactions from Hillary's travel logs, it is basically useless anyway.
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      • Author by BottleBlonde (March 26, 2008 1:55 am ET)
           

        That's a male-cow-excrement statement if I ever saw one.

        There are not 'so many redactions that it's not valuable.'

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (March 25, 2008 3:58 pm ET)
         
      There's always Madame Clio AA. Its bad when you need an anti Clinton fix and find you may have to go cold penguin cause the lastest crop is lame.
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    • Author by magnolialover (March 25, 2008 5:57 pm ET)
         
      Funny, I heard one those guys, Boortz I think it was, yacking on and on about why are people talking about Spitzer so much when Bill Clinton RAPED a woman, and nobody said a word about it... Talk about something old that, you know, proved to be not true.
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    • Author by hputera7113 (March 25, 2008 9:13 pm ET)
         

      Personally I think it disgusting how the press want to know where Hillary was on that day!   Why is it important?  This is just another way to embarrass her and get their jollies at the same time.  Besides,what has that got to do with anything?   Hillary is the one running for the presidency not Bill.  For some reason the men in the press do not want her and question everything where they give senator Obama a free pass on just about everything and we may live to regret it in November.   

          I just read that senator Obama's wife's thesis that she wrote in 1985 as a Princeton senior is  being held back until November 5, '08.  The day after the general election why is that.  It is entitled "Princeton Educated Blacks and the Black Community".  Can one find out about this?  Her name Michelle La Vaughn Robinson Obama is the only thesis that is not available for people among 449 others.    Why?   Will the press find out?  I don't think so, the press is too busy finding out real important stuff about issues that have long gone away and should be left for husband and wife not for nosey people who get a kick out of opening up old wounds.  Great press we have!

      I've read that when senator Obama was running for the senate seat the majority leader in the Illinois senate put Obama's name on every piece of important legislation that they passed to the dismay and anger of some of the people who had worked on but did not get credit for their work because it went to Obama.  Why was this only in the Dallas times.  Written by a journalist who knows Obama called "Obama and Me".  Why hasn't our esteemed press checked this out?   Will we find out in November when it is too late and he is our elected candidate?  

       

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    • Author by nifer30 (March 25, 2008 11:55 pm ET)
         
      Why don't we comment on the article? The media coverage of Hillary's schedule was ridiculous. It is tabloid news - you would think it came out of Star instead of the Wall Street Journal or the Post. Whether or not you like Hillary Clinton is not the point. Everyone should be outraged at the unethical reporting of the media during this campaign. You can't cheer the tabloid reporting of the candidate you don't like, then bemoan it when it happens to the candidate you do like. If the Hillary haters are going to cheer the ridiculous articles mentioned about the schedules, then don't complain when Laura Ingram bashes Obama over some non-issue. I appreciate the objectivity of this article.
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    • Author by truthseeker77 (March 26, 2008 12:29 am ET)
         
      Boehlert is arguably the best political analyst in the nation, probably tied with Ed Somerby from the Daily Howler.
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      • Author by solon (March 26, 2008 2:07 am ET)
           
        Neither of them are political analysts. They are both media critics.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (March 26, 2008 5:07 pm ET)
           

        Boehlert is arguably the best political analyst in the nation, probably tied with Ed Somerby from the Daily Howler.

        Somerby's first name is Bob.

        Still haven't found a shred of truth yet, have you? Maybe you should give up the search, truth is eluding you and you have no idea where to look. 

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    • Author by jeremy (March 26, 2008 1:13 pm ET)
         
      Great post by Boehlert...as usual you hit the nail on the head.  The media...especially the so-called "liberal media" (NYT, Wash post, etc.) has really lost it with this election season.  They've just completely fallen in line with each other to cover the same stories the same ways...journalistic laziness at it's worst.  I would place much blame on the cycle of 24-hour newschannels, but it's habits of creating topics and storylines to fill time has no doubt extended to newspapers and all other media.  Absolutely pathetic job by the media on this story and many others...
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 26, 2008 4:07 pm ET)
         

      Once again, more evidence that more lies have been told about the Clintons than they have ever uttered themselves.

      (And I voted for Bush41, Dole and (will vote for) Obama.  So don't going think I'm some kind of Clinton-phile.  I just call 'em as I see 'em.)

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    • Author by essenceof1 (March 26, 2008 4:33 pm ET)
         

      Eric,

      Thank you for your insightful article.  I can't believe the media's waste of time on Hillary's schedule.  And agree...don't the peabrains get it that a schedule is just that a schedule of dates, time, location, and who?.  Schedules have nothing to do with how did she "feel?"  So irritating.

      Another Hillary supporter turned me on to Media Matters.  I'm glad you guys are out there reporting on facts and not "fiction" as what the mainstream biased manipulative media does.  I refuse to get brainwashed by the propaganda CNN, Washington Post, dishes out.

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