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Myth: Americans tuned out Iraq
Fact: The press tuned out Iraq

April 02, 2008 3:14 pm ET

During the recent commemoration of the fifth anniversary of the Iraq invasion, there was lots of media hand-wringing about how Americans no longer were interested in the war and how Iraq had recently fallen off the country's collective radar. The observations were usually tied to the fact that mainstream media coverage of the war has sharply declined.

Releasing a news study on the topic, the Pew Research Center reported, "As news coverage of the war has diminished, so too has public interest in news about Iraq." A Chattanooga Times Free Press editorial noted how the Pew study had "found a steady falloff in public focus" and suggested "public fatigue" had set in. The Hartford Courant noted "[t]he waning interest" in the war, while the Fort Worth Star-Telegram bemoaned "the public's loss of interest in this war."

The New York Times detailed the decline in Iraq coverage and suggested it "may be explained by" a "decline in public interest." The implication was that news organizations pulled back this year because their readers and viewers were less keyed in on the story, that consumers were dictating the coverage.

The truth is that phony narrative simply serves to justify the media's wholesale retreat from Iraq, as well as the media's decision to disengage from the war regardless of how interested news consumers were. In recent years, there has been no indication that the press has ever taken interest level into account while drawing down from the conflict. So it's disingenuous now to suggest the press is simply following the public's lead regarding the war.

Even now, as news outlets scramble to revive their Baghdad bureaus in the wake of disturbing new violence, it's important to understand that despite the spin, American news consumers have not walked away from Iraq. The press has.

Has the level of awareness among Americans dropped off somewhat during that five-year span? Of course it has. Do news articles about Iraq not generate the same click-through rate online? Do the phones at talk-radio stations not light up the way they used to when the topic up for discussion is the war? I'm sure that's the case. That's to be expected given the longevity of the war and the fact that in recent years, there have been fewer dramatic and sweeping developments regarding the conflict.

But here's the bottom line: News consumers' interest in Iraq remains relatively high, while news coverage has basically vanished. How's that for a disconnect?

The significance, as Eric Alterman and George Zornick wrote, is that "[w]ithout sufficient war coverage and a full spectrum of viewpoints on the conflict, the American people will have no way to make an informed decision about how to proceed and the democratic process will fail to function."

According to the Project for Excellence in Journalism's News Coverage Index, reports about the situation in Iraq accounted for just 2 percent of total news coverage from January through March. Eight months ago, Iraq reporting accounted for 15 percent of the total news coverage. Yes, consumer interest in Iraq has crept downward since last summer, but it certainly hasn't plummeted by 87 percent, the way the news coverage has.

The level of commitment to war reporting has been, at times, insulting for a nation at war. For instance, during the week of January 21-27, actor Heath Ledger's death received twice as much coverage as did the unfolding events in Iraq.

Oddly enough, there have actually been weeks this year when a sizable portion of the American public selected the situation in Iraq as the news story they were following most closely, despite the dearth of reporting coming out of Iraq. For the week of January 28-February 3, 13 percent of respondents to a Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey said Iraq was the most important story of the week, making it the week's third most-selected topic. What percentage of the total news coverage did the Iraq story actually represent that week? Two percent.

That Americans are able to remain informed about Iraq at all is somewhat remarkable given the paucity of reporting these days. After all, only a few major-market newspapers put news of the 4,000th U.S. fatality in Iraq above the fold on Page One.

In fact, what started all the recent media chatter about Americans suddenly not being interested in Iraq was a Pew poll released March 12 that showed 28 percent of Americans could correctly identify the number of casualties the U.S. military has suffered in Iraq. In all previous surveys Pew had conducted asking the same question, the percent answering correctly routinely hovered around 50 percent. Therefore, according to Pew, awareness of the fatalities had "plummeted."

The survey received widespread attention, including mentions on NBC's Today and National Public Radio and in The New York Times, The Des Moines Register, The Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times, among others. Almost all the outlets pointed to the polling data to suggest Americans were suddenly no longer engaged in the still-unfolding war. The BBC, for instance, reported that "only about a quarter of Americans [knew] roughly how many of their own soldiers had died."

It's true the percentage went down to 28, but I think most of the media's dour interpretations of the poll were misleading. If you look at the actual data, the truth is that combined, 86 percent of Americans knew that between 3,000 and 5,000 members of the U.S. military had died in Iraq. It seems misleading to report that most Americans don't know "roughly" how many of our troops have died in Iraq. I'd suggest 86 percent know "roughly" how many have died, which indicates Americans are still very much engaged in the unfolding war story.

Secondly, and more important, it seems perfectly obvious that one of the reasons fewer Americans could pick the actual number is that news reporting from Iraq has essentially vanished; it's disappeared. How else are news consumers supposed to get that information, osmosis?

More excuses

One common argument made by news producers and editors is that bigger ongoing stories, such as the 2008 campaign and the unfolding mortgage crisis, have taken priority inside newsrooms and pushed Iraq aside. "We're competing for finite space in the newspaper," Marjorie Miller, foreign editor for the Los Angeles Times, said during recent a PBS roundtable discussion on the dramatic decrease in Iraq coverage.

That's certainly true and would even explain a steady decline in war coverage. But there's no way that can explain the almost complete collapse in Iraq reporting we've witnessed over the last nine months. Nor does it explain the wildly distorted ratio of news coverage.

For instance, during the week of March 3-9 , the primary season grabbed 52 percent of the news coverage, compared with a minuscule 1 percent set aside for Iraq.

FYI: On cable TV for that same week of March 3-9, the political primaries accounted for a mind-numbing 80 percent of all the news coverage, compared with basically 0 percent set aside for Iraq.

And note this: According to the Tyndall Report's research, presidential primary coverage in January and February totaled 932 minutes on the three nightly network newscasts. That compared with the 61 minutes devoted, collectively, to Iraq on the same networks during the same two months. That's a 15-to-1 ratio.

But go back and compare the interest level among news consumers who were following either the campaign or Iraq most closely during January and February, and you'll see the ratio of those who favored election news over Iraq news was roughly 4-to-1, not the absurd 15-to-1.

Another point raised during that PBS roundtable discussion, and one that's been discussed at length since the war began, was that Iraq is simply too dangerous for most journalists to travel freely and to do independent reporting. The 180 Iraqi and foreign journalists who have been killed covering the story are testament to that grim fact.

But what about stateside stories regarding the war that can be safely reported? What's the excuse for ignoring them? On PBS, Greg Mitchell, author of So Wrong for So Long: How the Press, the Pundits -- and the President -- Failed on Iraq, pointed out that the press has been relatively silent -- for five years running -- regarding the astounding financial cost of the Iraq war. "It's an issue that affects every American," he said. "It's going to affect all of us for the rest of our lives and probably until the end of the century. And yet we didn't see a lot of focus on the absolutely staggering long-term cost of the war."

Still, news executives lay out their spin and insist they're giving Iraq all kinds of attention and that they're devoted to covering the story long term. ABC News president David Westin recently told The Hollywood Reporter that "[Iraq] is obviously a major strategic initiative for the United States, and how it will go will affect the entire region. That makes it a very important story."

ABC News sure has a funny way of showing its commitment to that "very important story."

Last November, I noted that ABC's Nightline, its long-running signature news program, had essentially boycotted Iraq as a news story. I found that over an 18-week span, from mid-July through late November, Nightline aired approximately 230 separate news segments, only one of which was about events on the ground in Iraq. In the 17 weeks since then, Nightline has continued to look the other way, which means that over a nearly nine-month span, during which time more than 300 reports aired, Nightline has effectively ignored the war in Iraq as a news event.

It. Does. Not. Exist.

Just imagine what kind of uninspired effort ABC News would put forward if Iraq were not a "very important story."

We all know that the run-up to the Iraq war represented a colossal failure for the Fourth Estate. Now the media's collective disregard for the war five years later represents the second inexcusable breakdown of the press corps.

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    • Author by worrierking (April 02, 2008 3:28 pm ET)
         
      "We're competing for finite space in the newspaper."

      Yes, it would be a great tragedy if the news media had to reduce coverage of Paris Hilton, Anna Nicole Smith, the Spears sisters and the other blondes; alive, dead and or missing, to continue covering the biggest foreign policy blunder in our history.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (April 02, 2008 3:31 pm ET)
           
        Are you trying to impose your America-hating priorities on the press, WK? Because I've heard the Surge is working. 
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        • Author by wolf kotenberg (April 02, 2008 3:35 pm ET)
             
          so the surge is working and that is why we need more surge ?
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        • Author by worrierking (April 02, 2008 3:49 pm ET)
             
          Careful Colonel, I just may start deleting posts again.

          But you're right, I'm critical of the 'Merican girls and you probably remembered my comment last week about a certain old, washed up, French, blonde, movie actress who I like.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (April 02, 2008 3:33 pm ET)
         
      That is why we, as american citizens, need to get the news from more than one source.
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      • Author by nerzog (April 02, 2008 4:34 pm ET)
           
        I totally agree. If there are still people who just get their news from the three major networks, I hate to think what they don't know.
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        • Author by fawltylogic (April 02, 2008 5:42 pm ET)
             
          At least that's better than getting the news from the three major cable news channels.
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    • Author by tommy (April 02, 2008 3:37 pm ET)
         

      I think for better or worse, many Americans do have Iraq "fatigue", that the barrage of endless bad news has desensitized many to what is going on - five years into it and it just seems endless to many, as if many believe that we will just have to wait out this current administration because it will be the same ole', same ole' until the new administration is in place.  

      And the media is more focused on the elections, a very historic and contested election that has captured the interest of many, especially Democrats.  And the rising gas prices, the stumbling economy, the forecloures - these are real issues that affect many everyday, tangible worries that are not across the world, but our own households.  

      I am not excusing the media's coverage nor do I think it doesn't merit our resolve and focus everyday, but it's the nature of news.

      I also think that come fall, Iraq will play a major role in defining the differences between McCain and whoever he runs against, it won't be so easily swept under the rug then. 

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      • Author by worrierking (April 02, 2008 3:45 pm ET)
           
        Tommy, how I would love to share your optimism.

        I too hope that the Iraq War will be the focus of this election, but then, I thought that the Iraq War would have been the main focus of the 2004 election too, instead it focused on Vietnam.
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        • Author by tommy (April 02, 2008 3:50 pm ET)
             
          But Worrier, you can't blame the media entirely.  There are plenty of things on our plates, including the war.  Ask people in polls what they are most concerned about and where does Iraq fall in that list, I don't think it's at the top, or am I wrong?
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          • Author by thomp.steve9098 (April 02, 2008 4:01 pm ET)
               
            For good or, more likely, for worse, the media in large part is the venue which forces the public to focus on one topic over another. That is to say, the opinion polls regarding what the public is concerned about likely would shift more towards Iraq if the media re-focused its attention there.
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            • Author by tommy (April 02, 2008 4:49 pm ET)
                 

              Steve, It's the old chicken or the egg which comes first comparison, I imagine.  Both arguments are probably pretty valid, and I don't excuse the media, they love the sensationalism and the tabloidization of our culture as much as anyone, and with many news divisions now more concerned with the bottom line, this is the inevitability of the focus of much of today's news.

              I just think that a five year old war with a continuing narrative illicits fatigue on the population as a whole.  Especially when the current administration is lame duck, and people feel that nothing is new or changing as long as Bush is still in the WH......along with all the other concerns on voter's minds. 

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    • Author by anotheramerican (April 02, 2008 3:37 pm ET)
         

      I agree with Eric about the press walking away from the war. I do believe it is primarily because the war started going better with the surge.

      That good news effectively countered the message the left kept portraying, and that is that the war  was lost.

      Also the primaries started kicking in and I believe the press, in it's allegiance to Hillary as the presumptive nominee, did not want to make the turnaround a sticking point for Hillary and her flip flop regarding the war. Bringing up the fact that the war started going better only hightlighted the doom-and-gloom, cut-and-run message of the Democrats. How could they effectively argue to get out when the country was starting to see progress. The Democrats stopped talking about it, so the press stopped covering it. Now we get a mixed message from the Democrats saying we'll start leaving right away, but we won't leave too soon, etc. etc. The war issue started to be a loser for the Democrats, so the press decided to ignore it.    

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      • Author by nerzog (April 02, 2008 3:44 pm ET)
           
        Try again, AA. I think it's more likely that they knew that all the "Surge Is Working" hype was putting lipstick on a pig, and further coverage would reveal the scam.
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        • Author by proudconservative (April 02, 2008 3:58 pm ET)
             

          eggnog,

          AnotherAmerican deserved a more eloquent response than what you presented.  I believe that the fact that media in general knows that bad news sells over good news.  We never have a 'Breaking News' interruption for a warm high pressure front forecasting ideal weather conditions for the next few days.  Media will always chase bad news for the ratings provided.

          The fact is that things are moving forward in Iraq to the point that the media elites have moved on.  It maybe just because of the good news-low ratings paradigm or that they just don't have the heart to show American success because it will make George Bush look better than what they were longing for.

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          • Author by mary59 (April 02, 2008 4:03 pm ET)
               

            http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/18722376/the_myth_of_the_surge

             

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            • Author by proudconservative (April 02, 2008 4:39 pm ET)
                 

              proudmary59,

              I guess this will be a matter of 'I'll show you mine if you show me yours'?!?

              http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/03/maliki_security_oper.php

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              • Author by pete592 (April 02, 2008 5:02 pm ET)
                   
                Like I said, you can't get Nir Rosen's depth and understanding anywhere else.  LOL
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              • Author by mary59 (April 02, 2008 6:25 pm ET)
                   

                Good link.  His basic bias is apparent with his "long war" motif that presupposes that Iraq is part of the "war on terrorism"  Did you actually read the entire rolling stone story, by the way?

                http://www.cjr.org/profile/blogging_the_long_war_1.php?page=4

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                • Author by proudconservative (April 02, 2008 10:03 pm ET)
                     

                  hailmary59,

                  I did read much of the article.  I do not find it striking that the Sunni guide in the article, Osama, would pine for the good ole' days when Saddam ruled with an iron fist as a Sunni and oppressed the majority Shitte population.  I did find an interesting turn in these paragraphs from the first page of the link:

                  At least 80,000 men across Iraq are now employed by the Americans as ISVs. Nearly all are Sunnis, with the exception of a few thousand Shiites. Operating as a contractor, Osama runs 300 of these new militiamen, former resistance fighters whom the U.S. now counts as allies because they are cashing our checks. The Americans pay Osama once a month; he in turn provides his men with uniforms and pays them ten dollars a day to man checkpoints in the Dora district — a paltry sum even by Iraqi standards. A former contractor for KBR, Osama is now running an armed network on behalf of the United States government. "We use our own guns," he tells me, expressing regret that his units have not been able to obtain the heavy-caliber machine guns brandished by other Sunni militias.

                  Prior to that paragraph there was the standard complaint given regarding the dismantling of the Sunni dominated Iraqi military following the fall of Bagdad:

                  After the fall of Saddam, the Americans allowed looters and gangs to take over the streets, and Iraqi security forces(Republican Army and Sunni militia) were stripped of their jobs.

                  So after these guys are defeated in the Surge, we now pay them to work for us.  How is that not a good thing?  Maybe it would have been better to never have disbanded them but I think making them part of the return of civil control is absolutely necessary now.  Waging war is never perfect and any strategist will tell you that you must be able to 'audibilize at the line'.  The change in strategy, that McCain begged for by the way, to bring more force to bear has been successful.  No doubt though, alot of room for second guessing and what ifs, but this seems to be working.

                  As far as the bias in mysight, what a surprise that I would be in touch with a site that tends to report the progress honestly, at least in my opinion.  If you go back through the years, the site was quite on target about the shortcomings of the progress of the war.  I also noted that much of what the dear Mr. Rosen has had to say has been picked up soley by outlets that I would deem liberal in bias as well.

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                  • Author by mary59 (April 03, 2008 10:26 am ET)
                       

                    First, it does look like the site you posted does try to report objectively which is good.  The bias however is in his very premise, which makes him see the conflict thru that lens.  Everything he delves into, all the details of strategy and who is who is admirable...however, he like John McCain think there is some strategy that will "win" this for the U.S. which I find quite insane.

                    From page 5 of Rosen's article, describing a night time house raid conducted by the U.S. backed Iraqi "government" forces:

                    "The Americans know that the entire raid may have been simply another witch hunt, a way for the Shiite police to intimidate Sunni civilians. The INP, U.S. officers concede, use Al Qaeda as a "scare word" to describe all Sunni suspects.

                    "Yeah, the moral ambiguity of what we do is not lost on me," Maj. Gottlieb tells me. "We have no way of knowing if those guys did what they say they did."

                    Nir Rosen speaks Arabic and this is the way to know how the militia groups that the U.S. is paying really think about American soldiers.  They take U.S. money but are not loyal in any way.  again, from the article:

                    "Before the war, it was just one party," Arkan tells me. "Now we have 100,000 parties. I have Sunni officer friends, but nobody lets them get back into service. First they take money, then they ask if you are Sunni or Shiite. If you are Shiite, good." He dreams of returning to the days when the Iraqi army served the entire country. "In Saddam's time, nobody knew what is Sunni and what is Shiite," he says. The Bush administration based its strategy in Iraq on the mistaken notion that, under Saddam, the Sunni minority ruled the Shiite majority. In fact, Iraq had no history of serious sectarian violence or civil war between the two groups until the Americans invaded. Most Iraqis viewed themselves as Iraqis first, with their religious sects having only personal importance. Intermarriage was widespread, and many Iraqi tribes included both Sunnis and Shiites. Under Saddam, both the ruling Baath Party and the Iraqi army were majority Shiite.

                    Arkan, in a sense, is a man in the middle. He believes that members of the Awakening have the right to join the Iraqi security forces, but he also knows that their ranks are filled with Al Qaeda and other insurgents."

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                    • Author by proudconservative (April 03, 2008 11:25 am ET)
                         

                      Mary,

                      Our perspective on the importance of how this war is finished differs a great deal.  Also, what could be accomplished by the ending of this properly again depends on what we feel represents the right thing to do.

                      In regards to the quality of life in Saddam, Qusay and Uday's Iraq again I would have to disagree.  Those killing fields probably had alot to do with keeping down sectarian strife from a Sunni's perspective.  Their treatment of their own people was horrific, from the 'stinging rooms' to throwing poor performing athletes from bridges to the gassing of the Kurds.  Any country has problems but Saddam and his son's Iraq was far from a day at the beach.

                      http://www.iraqfoundation.org/news/2003/emay/6_sports.html

                      So maybe Mr. Rosen sees the outlook as bleak but even at that I believe the prospects of a better country for its people lay with the efforts of our military in Iraq and political leaders there and back in the US as well.

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                      • Author by mary59 (April 03, 2008 11:49 am ET)
                           

                        You and I are in agreement that like in Iraq under Sadam was horrible for those he targeted.  He gassed the Kurds, he tortured his enemies; his sons were monsters.  Very unfortunately the U.S. government gave him weapons when they thought it was in their interest.  You know that the U.S. government is similarly supporting other horrible dictators even as we write.

                        We also agree as to what we WISH the outcome in Iraq could be.  What I think you are missing is that the U.S. does not have a way to make this happen.  Eventually perhaps this will happen.  But with U.S. troops there trying to suppress the violence it will not.  I don't think you are really willing to admit this.

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                        • Author by proudconservative (April 03, 2008 12:59 pm ET)
                             

                          contrarymary,

                          We did support Saddam in his war against Iran, a country that had just held our diplomats hostage and were threatening the whole of the mid-east and bombing of the embassy in Lebanon.  The addage of 'the friend of my enemies is my friend' continues to ring true in some circles.

                          As far as ongoing support, I think the country has established better ties with those who seek freedom for its citizens.  Trying to support the independence of countries like the Ukraine and Romania where they suffered under communist regimes, or in Colombia fighting FARC and the narco terrorists.  Maybe in Khazastan(sp) we are setting aside our values of individual and religious freedom to stabilize the area in the fight against terror.

                          Some other desposts like Castro still remain in power, but I hopw we continue to isolate him along with Kim Jung Il.  Chavez and Amadenajad have won elections but are demonstrating an unwillingness to let go of power and we will see what happens to Mugabwe after the recent election booted him out.

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                          • Author by mary59 (April 03, 2008 8:13 pm ET)
                               

                            Saddam is a perfect example of why the U.S. should NOT support tyrants.  There are economic incentives to use with dictators regarding human rights violations that don't have to involve sanctions that hurt the populations.

                            You still did not respond to the fact that their IS not any strategy to resolve these conflicts that the U.S. can do with troops in this country.

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                            • Author by proudconservative (April 03, 2008 10:12 pm ET)
                                 

                              proudmary,

                              I cannot predict the end of war, except that one side wins and the other loses.  To leave would certainly lead to capitualtion to thugs and terrorists.

                              Recenlty, we have seen that the situation can be stabilized.  Kurds are allowing the Turks to chase terrorist into their territory in Northern Iraq even though they share a cultural heritage.  Just like in the south where Iraqi military, mostly shitte, have been battling al-sadr's militia to lay down their arms, again shared ethnic/religious background.

                              I know we will disagree but the situation of maintaining a strong presence there, encouraging the elected government to continue to make strides politically and helping militarily when needed is the best way to ensure a victory.  Victory meaning a country that maintains democratic standards of freedom, is able to secure its borders and project a stabilizing influence on that region of the world. I looked for some historical perspective, this is regarding Japan after WWII.

                              On March 6,(1947) the Japanese cabinet accepted the new constitution. This was followed by statements of approval by Emperor Hirohito and Gen. MacArthur who later called the document "the most liberal constitution in history."

                              The constitution was widely publicized and enthusiastically discussed by the Japanese people, especially during the days leading up to the April general election. When the Dietmet during the summer of 1946, the newly elected legislators debated and then voted final approval. Japan's new democratic constitution went into effect on May 3, 1947.

                              Has Japan's democratic constitution been a success? MacArthur himself called it "probably the single most important accomplishment of the occupation." Others have since criticized MacArthur for unnecessarily forcing the Japanese to renounce their political traditions and accept democracy too rapidly.

                              In 1952, the American occupation of Japan ended. The Japanese were again an independent people free to run their country as they wished. Since then, the Japanese have changed or done away with a number of the reforms instituted by MacArthur. One reform remains firmly in place: the "MacArthur Constitution." For 40 years it has never been revised or amended. In the words of Japanese scholar Sodei Rinjiro: "Clearly the constitution has sunk its roots among the people. "

                              The whole article: http://www.crf-usa.org/election_central/japan_democracy.htm

                               

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                              • Author by mary59 (April 04, 2008 3:43 pm ET)
                                   

                                You are still missing an enormous point here.  The Japanese laid down their arms...they were sick of fighting and did not resist U.S. presence.  the U.S. in turn helped them to rebuild their infrastructure.

                                Iraq is a whole different ballgame.  Bremer tossed all the Iraqi military into unemployment (with their weapons intact, mind you.)  Bremer put into law that Iraqi companies were locked out of the process of rebuilding!  For example, Iraqi owned cement company, already operating, was shut down by Bremer and foreign workers and corporations got all the contracts.  Unemployment of Iraqis is astronomical.  And you add the constant killing and wounding of innocent Iraqis is there no wonder that the majority of them want us to LEAVE?  this is a fact.  The U.S. presence there is fueling the insurgency.  The U.S. military is in an impossible situation and there is no evidence that any strategy by them can redeem this.

                                Not to mention, there is a civil war among warring factions there which Nir Rosen points out so well in his Rolling Stone article.  Please, think about this, don't just keep trying to stay in a polarized position.

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                                • Author by proudconservative (April 04, 2008 5:31 pm ET)
                                     

                                  maryqueenofscotch,

                                  I am only stating that by changing the dynamic of hope of Hussein's new Babylon and world religious dominance emminating from the vision of the 12th Mahdi, we have given western culture the chance to continue to exist.  The Islamofacists know nothing of religious/cultural freedom.

                                  The Surge has also changed the dynamic of this war.  Rosen himself says that when sunnis realized in the futility of their fight they joined the Iraqi/American forces.  No one should be surprised that they were thrilled that they felt defeat but any behavior change comes about through an individual's sense that 'this ain't working no more'.  Smokers or dieters don't jump at the chance to change their behavor, they usually resist at first but then become more comfortable and even appreciate the benefits of change.  That positive emotional attachment to new behavior usually follows change rather than preceeding it.

                                  The mistakes made at the beginning of the occupation in Iraq were real and severe.  Real setbacks but that doesn't mean that what we are doing now is all wrong.  Positive change is happening but it's not finished yet.

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                                  • Author by mary59 (April 04, 2008 9:43 pm ET)
                                       

                                    maryqueenofscotch,I have ignored the names but this is pretty similar to Bush giving everyone a pet name as a putdown.  Perhaps you wish a serious discussion but starting it with your imposed titles doesn't bode well.

                                    I am only stating that by changing the dynamic of hope of Hussein's new Babylon and world religious dominance emminating from the vision of the 12th Mahdi, we have given western culture the chance to continue to exist.  The Islamofacists know nothing of religious/cultural freedom.Western culture would continue to exist without invading and occupying Iraq.  There is no such thing as an islamofacist.  Facist is a term with a specific meaning:  the marriage of corporate and legislative rule as in Italy under Mussolini.  It refers to a government, not a group of terrorists.

                                    The Surge has also changed the dynamic of this war.  Rosen himself says that when sunnis realized in the futility of their fight they joined the Iraqi/American forces.  He said that they joined when they started getting paid by the U.S.No one should be surprised that they were thrilled that they felt defeat ?????  what does this sentence mean?but any behavior change comes about through an individual's sense that 'this ain't working no more'.  Ironic statement here; you might apply that to the occupation.

                                    The mistakes made at the beginning of the occupation in Iraq were real and severe.  Real setbacks but that doesn't mean that what we are doing now is all wrong.  Positive change is happening but it's not finished yet.It hasn't happened at all.  I think you really haven't read Nir Rosen's article.  At least with any understanding.

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                                    • Author by proudconservative (April 04, 2008 11:08 pm ET)
                                         

                                      In response:

                                      FIRST

                                      Mary 59 it is.

                                      SECOND

                                      I guess I was using the term 'facist' as people often do on this site, defined as 'uncompromising evil'.  For instance, if you keep spewing your Republofacist ideas here, expect to get nothing but flagged! In the future would 'Religion of Peace-challenged' terrorist suffice? :)

                                      THIRD

                                      I just mistyped a word in the sentence, here's what I posted: No one should be surprised that they were thrilled that they felt defeat but any behavior change comes about through an individual's sense that 'this ain't working no more'.  

                                      It should have stated: No one should be surprised that they weren't thrilled that they felt defeat but any behavior change comes about through an individual's sense that 'this ain't working no more'. 

                                      You and I disagree on the purpose and value of this war, no doubt.  Mr. Rosen has his perspective and I have reported from sources that have a much different take.  It's not a matter of not understanding his article, it's just that I disagree with him and you.

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                                      • Author by mary59 (April 05, 2008 12:58 am ET)
                                           

                                        Last post here for me.  You disagree but reality is what it is.  There is no way that the U.S. soldiers can create conditions for peace and democracy in Iraq.  Their staying there is not going to bring this about no matter how much wishful thinking.  It's been five long years with no real political progress.

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            • Author by pete592 (April 02, 2008 4:48 pm ET)
                 

              I also recommend Amy Goodman's interview with Nir Rosen, author of The Myth of the Surge.

              Rosen brings us a level of detail and understanding to the violence in Iraq that you simply can't get anywhere else.

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          • Author by solon (April 02, 2008 4:11 pm ET)
               

            ProudMoron. AA is pushing a ludicrous frame. We started PAYING Iraqis not to shoot each other and the violence dropped for a while. It has been spiking again recently. The military aspect of this was won long ago and winning an occupation isnt a viable longterm goal. Politically there has been virtually no movement. It is the political solutions that are needed now as Bush SAID when the surge was implemented. Of the 18 goals Bush talked about when he announced the surge the majority of them are nowhere near being accomplished which is why we arent hearing about them anymore. The Iraq war is a disaster its time to come home. It is long PAST the time to come home. I thought we were there to bring democracy. Well since more than 80% of the Iraqis want us gone how about a demostration of democracy. We can hold a referendum election about whether or not we should LEAVE. Then come home.

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            • Author by dexteritas0071418 (April 02, 2008 4:13 pm ET)
                 
              That certainly would give us the easiest way out.
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          • Author by worrierking (April 02, 2008 4:13 pm ET)
               
            I don't give a rats ass about George Bush looking bad.

            This has never been about him personally, but about his use of our children to settle old scores.

            It was a mistake to invade, to occupy and to stay in Iraq.

            The mistake was a military mistake, a foreign policy mistake, a humanitarian mistake and most of all a moral mistake.

            One that has cost us 4,000 dead, tens of thousands wounded and an untold number psychologically damaged. Not to mention the innocent Iraqi casualties.

            We had the world on our side and we squandered that for George Bush's folly.
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          • Author by nerzog (April 02, 2008 4:43 pm ET)
               
            BUMPTIOUSNEANDERTHAL,

            You're living in President Numbnuts' fantasy world. I suppose you're one of those Jingofascists who insist that the Pentagon would never lie to us? Just how old are you, anyway?

            Even IF things in Iraq were as rosy as Puddinhead George would have us believe, it STILL doesn't absolve him of the dreadful mess he created over there. In essence, we have bought ourselves a very expensive colony, and our children will be paying for it for decades to come.
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            • Author by proudconservative (April 04, 2008 5:37 pm ET)
                 

              Eggnog,

              Thanks for your well thought out and intellectually stimulating response.

              I would encourage you to look at the dialogue above between Mary and I.  Some references may answer your questions about my thoughts and give an opening for you to further engage in this highly cerebral engagement that you insist on having!

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          • Author by foghornleghorn (April 02, 2008 7:15 pm ET)
               

            Media will always chase bad news for the ratings provided.

            I keep waiting for the good news that the troops are coming home and the obscene waste of $$$ is has ended, or that we'll have a competent president for that matter.

            Been waiting five years.  Still waiting.

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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (April 03, 2008 12:17 pm ET)
               
            Oh, please. So, what... I can see my tax dollars at work fixing Iraqui roads while I have to replace my third tire this years after I hit yet another pothole?  Yay for Bush!  Bleed America slowly so that we can build up Iraq quickly.  It's a distatrous foreign policy bluder no matter how good it looks in a photograph.  And recent events show how tenuos the situation remains, so don't give me the "things are going great" speech.  The violence has gone down because Muqutada al Sadr order a six month cease fire.  If his followers grow tired of this/him you'll see what all this Republican spin and finger-crossing really got us.
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    • Author by nerzog (April 02, 2008 3:42 pm ET)
         
      I'm glad MMFA is highlighting this sad fact; it's been a pet peeve of mine for some time.

      I watch the cable "news" talk shows every night, and am ever amazed at how much time they can eat up analyzing every word and twitch of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama... and then they'll analyze their analysis. Yet, when they do cover Iraq, it's usually limited to a few minutes.... no serious analysis in sight.

      If they're too lazy to do their own reporting, why not just air some of the great Documentaries that have been produced, like "No End In Sight", "Bush's War" or "Iraq for Sale". Why not? Because they know that, if they did, McCain would lose in a landslide.
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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (April 02, 2008 4:12 pm ET)
         

      The media has gunked up Iraq from the start.

      First, the coverage of the  run-up was awful. NO real investigation of the claims the administration was making, NO strong coverage of the case against the US action that other allies were making.

      Then, during the invasion, the press covered it like a video game or an action movie. The screens switched from action pictures, to analysis, to the Saddam talking head saying everything was cool. 

      Then, the insurgency was everywhere. Journalists stayed tucked in the green zone and reported from there. They didn't report well on what was going on in the outside....in EITHER CASE.

      Then, the media was sensationalist and doomsday. The only positive coverage was the elections..not schools being built, institutions being set up and run, not on the police units/army brigades that were doing well, but on all the killing, all the failures. In the battle to win the hearts and minds, US-based media fought against our troops.

      Now, it's old. Nothing new is happening, slow change for the better, on the whole. Meh, what's Britney doing these days? Maybe we can screw the economy even more by trumpeting disaster!

       

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      • Author by thomp.steve9098 (April 02, 2008 4:20 pm ET)
           

        Agree in large part with what you say.  For me, the media, and politicians, are so agenda driven that they simply can't be trusted to give an honest account.  For instance, just speaking for myself, I'd like to see the troops come home at first opportunity.  However, I don't trust the dem's telling me everything will work itself out if america adopts a more hands-off approach over there, and I don't trust the right babbling about how scared everyone should be if the troops are pulled out.  I lean towards the dem point of view, but I'm too cynical too believe that they're giving an honest analysis, and don't know that Iraq won't simply implode . . .

        And the same plays out in the media, who are no more than the spokespeople for the two parties, rather than objective reporters

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      • Author by mefirst (April 02, 2008 4:37 pm ET)
           
        "slow change for the better".  maybe for awhile, but that was predicted by a lot of people.  put more troops in and you will restore some order.  now things are heating up again. 
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      • Author by solon (April 02, 2008 4:48 pm ET)
           

        I largely agree except I heard an awful lot about those schools being repainted and rebuilt.

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        • Author by dexteritas0071418 (April 02, 2008 4:51 pm ET)
             

          I'm glad you did. Enough people didn't.

          Those who are opposed to the continued US troop presence in Iraq should be trumpeting good things happening there instead of bad things. Then the administration would have a difficult PR issue: show their failures/shortcomings by trying to justify keeping troops there, or just having to go with the popular opinion.

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          • Author by solon (April 02, 2008 5:00 pm ET)
               
            I think either is irrelevant. I think the important point there is that what can be accomplished militarily is done and occupation can only hinder the political advances that now need to be made.
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            • Author by thomp.steve9098 (April 02, 2008 5:10 pm ET)
                 
              that's where I'm unconvinced. there's strong support here to bring the troops home, and so it's politically expedient to adopt that position. But to me it's difficult to conceive that there will be political advances over there, involving both shiite and sunni, without our gov and military as the broker. In other words, I'd like to think that you were right, but I'm unsure that things wouldn't totally erupt without the troops there.  And I have no idea what the consequences would be to iraq imploding
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              • Author by solon (April 02, 2008 7:52 pm ET)
                   
                We cant help with the political dynamics. The PEOPLE in Iraq see us as occupiers. Any government that goes along with our occupation loses credibility among the people. If it is a democracy we are seeking that means in pracitical terms having the people have some input into policy. Whatever happens when we leave it will be obvious that it is THEIR problem to handle. It is a sink or swim situation but there isnt anything we can add, not politically.
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              • Author by mefirst (April 02, 2008 7:54 pm ET)
                   
                we've been the broker for several years.  if the client doesn't sign the contract, you walk away.  and i do not favor an immediate withdrawal, but set a date, six months to get it together, and then we leave.  but wait, doesn't that tell the insurgents when they can attack.  sure, but the alternative is to be in the middle forever, with a government that allows us to be the babysitter.   meanwhile, they invite guys like ahmadinijad to their country to bad mouth us and our troops. 
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                • Author by thomp.steve9098 (April 03, 2008 10:16 am ET)
                     

                  I tend to agree with you guys. Nonetheless, my uncertainty still stems from what happens afterward. Of course I don't know the consequences, but it is conceivable that the entire region could erupt, with surrounding sunnis and shiites vying for control over all that oil wealth and "holy land" . . . In that event, I'm not sure that the U.S. won't be required to go right back in there, entering a situation that is worse than the present

                   

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        • Author by pete592 (April 02, 2008 5:10 pm ET)
             
          And what you did hear was likely vague because if the reports are too specifiic, that new school becomes an insurgent target.
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    • Author by solon (April 02, 2008 4:13 pm ET)
         
      The SCLM is always playing this game where they conflate what THEY are covering with what Americans are interested in. I think Americans are interested in things like Why did Bush LIE to take us to war but we didnt get many stories about that.
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      • Author by nerzog (April 02, 2008 5:03 pm ET)
           
        Exactly. If they just spent half as much time on that as they have on Obama's bowling adventure, the people would storm the White House with torches and pitchforks.

        Another story that is getting little attention is the growing evidence that Karl Rove used the Justice Department as a political arm of the GOP. I think there's a HUGE scandal there, if some enterprising reporter would just connect all the dots.
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    • Author by Old_Benjamin (April 02, 2008 4:17 pm ET)
         

      AA & PC state things in Iraq are getting better due to the surge. 

      Playing the "heads I win, tails you loose" game again?  Cause how do explain the fact that 2007 was the deadliest year for US troops in Iraq? 

       

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      • Author by princeofwheels (April 02, 2008 4:36 pm ET)
           

        That's an easy one...more targets.

        If we lose an average of 1 person a day, the We Are Republican (WAR)crowd will be elated that Surge 1, Surge 2, Surge 3 etc.etc. has worked because less of our children, somedody elses children, are dying.

        And please, I don't want to hear that Jenna Bush should enlist....maybe her fiance should.

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    • Author by wesley (April 02, 2008 4:46 pm ET)
         

       -- The truth is that phony narrative simply serves to justify ..So it's disingenuous now to suggest the press is simply following the public's lead regarding the war. -- Boehlert

      I totally agree...it has never been the agenda of the press...whether you believe them to be right or left leaning...to report on what America thinks is important. ProudConservative said it best, "Media will always chase bad news for the ratings provided."

      While I think that Boehlert has this story correct...I find some irony in looking over his posts. Doing a quick search of Boehlert's posts at mmfa over the last 15 months encompassing about 80 articles...I only find the word Iraq or war in 3 of them.

      Granted, I did not look into each article...I simply looked at the headlines of his posts...and from that it appears that he is guilty of the same behavior as he decried in this article.

      Maybe...in this instance...the physician has healed himself. 

       

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      • Author by Old_Benjamin (April 02, 2008 4:51 pm ET)
           

        So the media is covering the war to a lesser extent and someone wrinting at a media watchdog site doesn't have a lot of columns on the war? 

        Hmmm, quite suspicious.

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        • Author by wesley (April 02, 2008 5:01 pm ET)
             

          Given his copious research about the dearth of coverage...he has had ample opportunities to criticize the lack of media coverage on Iraq...the entire point of this story.

          Over the course of time that he chronicled...he didn't think it was important enough to write much about this subject...or he has just pulled a Rip Van Winkle. 

          In either case...this article is very valid and insightful. 

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          • Author by nerzog (April 02, 2008 5:07 pm ET)
               
            You have a point, but the purpose of this site is to examine Media Coverage. You could argue that he should have reported on the lack of Iraq coverage sooner, but I don't see MMFA as having a responsibility to cover the Iraq War firsthand. CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc. have no such excuse.
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            • Author by worrierking (April 02, 2008 5:12 pm ET)
                 
              Can you imagine how the WITH patrol would have reacted, had he written about the lack of coverage?

              And they would have never let it go. My pit bull would give up a ball a lot sooner than they'd have let this one drop.
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            • Author by wesley (April 02, 2008 5:21 pm ET)
                 

               -- the purpose of this site is to examine Media Coverage -- nerzog

              I concur...and if this story by Boehlert fits the definition of mmfa's mission...I simply found it curious that he has been equally as silent as the main stream media concerning the coverage of the war. 

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            • Author by princeofwheels (April 02, 2008 5:24 pm ET)
                 

              WHAT WAR? I saw that "Mission Accomplished" sign and thought it was over.

              Signed,

              I. M. Me'Dea

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          • Author by solon (April 02, 2008 5:08 pm ET)
               
            Not really. 8 months ago the media still WAS reporting Iraq. It takes a bit of time for a pattern of ignoring something to have validity. Just because they ignored it one or two months can have valid explanations. I agree he  is right though.
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      • Author by solon (April 02, 2008 5:05 pm ET)
           
        Well I don think the press leans either right OR left. I also think it too simple to say the press always chases bad news. They serve power. They choose the newsframes that serve power. That reflect elite opinion. As for Bohlert he is a media critic. It isnt his job to report the news rather to anylize how the news is being reported. It isnt UP to him to write stories about Iraq or the economy. So your physician comments is off base.
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        • Author by worrierking (April 02, 2008 5:15 pm ET)
             
          How true. And it's those in power who sign the payvchecks.

          The news media has consolidated so that now most of the outlets are owned by conglomerates who dictate the direction of the coverage.
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    • Author by xititjur3300 (April 02, 2008 6:26 pm ET)
         

      All I know is Obama is either going to win or lose the presidency via his Iraq debates with McCain. (Yes, I'm calling it for Obama).

      When those debates start taking place, the traditional media will be forced to cover Iraq whether they want to or not.

      Moreover, once the Obama/McCain Iraq debates begin, the traditional media will have to decide if they are going to be "fair & balanced" with McCain once McCain starts driving home the point he is going to continue the failed neocon/Bush/Cheney Iraq policies.

      I have a feeling those media stenographers who dropped the ball on Iraq in the first place will adapt right wing talking points when they begin to frame Obama's Iraq policy.  While concurrently framing McCain's  egregious   neocon strategy as "centrist" & "pro-America."

      We shall see.

       

       

       

       

       

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      • Author by nerzog (April 03, 2008 9:48 am ET)
           
        I fully expect to hear that "we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" many times between now and November.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (April 02, 2008 6:38 pm ET)
         
      Or influence though advertising dollars. I've seen comercials for companies that don't have any products for consumers. They do get some input to what our news is, for advertising, Mr. an Ms John Q. never directly buy from them.
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    • Author by puttforever4682 (April 02, 2008 8:11 pm ET)
         
      Somehow the economy was seen as more of an issue than the war. I wonder when the press will realize that the economy and the war are closely tied together. Pyhrric victory in Iraq is no victory
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      • Author by nerzog (April 03, 2008 9:46 am ET)
           
        Exactly right. How can our Government piss away $250,000,000 PER DAY without having some impact on the economy?
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    • Author by universaladdress (April 03, 2008 11:00 pm ET)
         

      A lack of critical reporting turned an administration line - "the surge is working" - into a practical justification for a permanent troop increase when popular opinion demanded that we begin withdrawal.

      Shame on all of us, not just the press.

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