"Media Matters"; by Jamison Foser
A Constitution-themed debate that ignored critical issues related to -- you guessed it -- the Constitution
Wednesday night, ABC broadcast a debate between the Democratic presidential candidates from the National Constitution Center, which co-sponsored the debate. The venue inspired ABC to, as co-moderator Charlie Gibson explained, "begin each of the segments of this debate with short quotes from the Constitution that are apropos to what we're going to talk about."
It seemed that, at long last, a presidential debate might actually touch on the profound constitutional issues at stake in this year's election. Last November, I noted the absence of these issues from the debates:
Through 17 debates this year, roughly 1,500 questions have been asked of the two parties' presidential candidates. But only a small handful of questions have touched on the candidates' views on executive power, the Constitution, torture, wiretapping, or other civil liberties concerns. ... Only one question about wiretapping. Not a single question about FISA. ... Not one question about renditions. The words "habeas corpus" have not once been spoken by a debate moderator. Candidates have not been asked about telecom liability. ... No moderator has asked a single question of a single candidate about whether the president should be able to order the indefinite detention of an American citizen, without charging the prisoner with any crime.
Things haven't gotten any better since then, as Media Matters explained in January.
Surely a presidential debate held at the National Constitution Center and featuring "short quotes from the Constitution that are apropos to what we're going to talk about" would touch on some of these issues.
Unfortunately, ABC had other ideas. The Constitution served as little more than window dressing for a debate that has been widely derided. Early in the debate, Gibson referred to a clause in the Constitution that was repealed more than 200 years ago and that wouldn't apply to the situation he was discussing even if it were still in effect. Later, Gibson asked whether a District of Columbia law prohibiting the possession of certain types of guns is "consistent with an individual's right to bear arms."
That's as close as the ABC hosts came to delving into the candidates' views of the Constitution. There was, once again, no mention of the constitutional issues raised by the current administration's actions.
That omission is all the more striking given that ABC News recently broke the news that the most senior members of the Bush administration -- Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, and Colin Powell among them -- were involved in the decision to use interrogation techniques widely considered to be torture. As Media Matters Senior Fellow Eric Alterman has noted, "ABC News ... followed up on the story over the next few days with admirable tenacity" and aired an interview in which President Bush himself said he approved of the decision by senior officials to authorize waterboarding.
But Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos didn't ask Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton whether they would continue the Bush administration's torture policies, or their views on wiretapping Americans without a warrant or on the validity of Dick Cheney's assertions that he is a separate branch of government.
And yet -- after yet another presidential debate came and went without a moderator asking a single question about some of the most serious issues of our time, issues that go to the heart of who we are as a nation -- some in the media defended ABC's focus on political controversies by asserting that substantive issues have already been hashed and rehashed.
Washington Post reporter Anne Kornblut said on MSNBC yesterday, "I'm no media critic, but in defense of it last night, the second half of the debate was substantive. But the problem they faced was that this was the 21st debate. This campaign has been going on forever, 15 months, and a lot of the substantive differences between the two candidates has been hashed out."
Kornblut's assertion that the second half of the debate was "substantive" was overly generous. While the second half did feature questions about, for example, tax policy, several of those questions were deeply flawed. At one point, for example, Gibson asserted that "history shows that when you drop the capital-gains tax, the revenues go up." In fact, history does not show that.
Kornblut should know this; her own newspaper's "live fact check" of the debate noted: "Gibson must be unduly worried about his stock portfolio. Gibson is right that a cut in capital gains taxes results in a brief increase in revenue, but that's only because stockholders decide to unload some stocks they have held in the new tax regime; there is less incentive to sell the stock if you know the rate is going to soon drop." (The last time Gibson moderated a Democratic presidential debate, back in January, he falsely claimed that $200,000 a year is a typical income for a husband and wife who are both schoolteachers. The audience laughed at him.)
But the second part of Kornblut's defense of the ABC debate was far worse. Yes, there have been many debates -- reporters have been complaining about how many debates there have been for nearly as long as the debates have been happening. But it simply isn't the case that the large number of debates means all the issues have been "hashed out." Many extremely important issues have been ignored during those debates -- executive power, torture, habeas corpus, FISA, and global climate change among them.
The April 18 New York Times quoted a CNN executive taking a shot at a question Gibson asked Obama about flag lapel pins:
David Bohrman, who oversees all of the political coverage at CNN, took particular issue with the lapel-flag question, which was posed to Mr. Obama by a voter appearing on tape. Mr. Bohrman said he would have instead had the moderators ask each candidate about their stance on a possible amendment to the Constitution banning flag-burning. "That's a legitimate flag question," Mr. Bohrman said. "I think the voters are expecting more from us."
Bohrman had the good sense to realize that there are more important things at stake in this election than whether someone wears a lapel pin. And he even suggested a question about the Constitution instead -- but it wasn't about whether the government should be able to listen to your phone calls or hold you indefinitely without charging you with a crime. No, to CNN's David Bohrman, the most pressing constitutional matter of our time is apparently ... flag burning.
Two weeks ago, Time's Mark Halperin quoted NBC's Brian Williams:
People say all the time that there have been so many debates. I'm kind of startled to hear that occasional person say, "I still don't have the information I need," or "I'm not satisfied with the coverage thus far." The coverage has been molecular given the amount of media out there. I did notice a two-day period recently where the nation went without a debate, and I was horrified.
Then, last week, MSNBC's Chris Matthews announced: "I don't know what more information we need. I think we could vote now."
It never even seems to cross their minds that voters might want to know -- that they should know -- what the candidates think about the Bush administration's assertions of executive power and what, if anything, they will do to restore traditional checks and balances, protect the privacy of American citizens, and end the use of torture.
















Awww c'mon Jamison...
...you don't really expect the two cutest ball-chasing-puppies at ABC to raise issues that might reflect badly on their corporate masters, do you?
I mean, when the FOX NEWS blatherers repeatedly praise George and Charlie's performance, you know how superficial and/or unsubstantiated and/or ridiculous most of the questions were.
Goooood Puhhh-peeees!
I knew there was something wacky about Gibson's Constitutional reference about the V.P. selection! Thanks Jamison for linking to the explanation as to why.
The fact that Gibson could cite an early Framer version, and then try to use it against the Dems-- and get it wrong no less, even if it were still law-- is very frightening.
It's clear that Gibson's fantasy version of what should happen in an election is not "good" for anybody, especially the American people.
Didn't Thom Hartmann talk about this on his show a few months back... about the 4th estate being the peoples protection to corruption of our government......
How did Reagan and the conservative movement allow the 4th estate to be nothing more than mouth piece to those with money and power?
Even the most ardent of conservatives of our founding fathers would have had a heart attack over this one!
You are so right. The constitutional issues you bring up are rarely talked about, and this would have been the perfect opportunity to do so.
By the way, WHY are these issues rarely talked about in the TV news? They're all over the web, and often in newspapers too - but never on TV. What gives?
Fawlty,
It's just too difficult for people to wrap their minds around complex issues like torture and executive power.
Now, take laundry detergent, or flag lapel pins. These are things most conservatives can really chew the fat over.
The media doesn't want to make things too difficult for people.... Just go shopping America, forget about this political stuff. Who needs it anyway.
We should have debates between candidates that aren't so heavily handed by the 'moderators'. The candidates should instead be asking the questions of each other rather than responding to a reporters questions.
At least once I would like to see candidates challenge each other face to face over the issues. The moderator only makes sure that time is shared equally but has little or no say over the topics debated. Problem is, few if any candidates would be willing to have that kind of discourse, 'it's just too risky'. Instead we get the same complaining from each side of the partisanship of the questioners and the candidates act like whinning children afterwards.
The people you see on camera do not, by and large, do the script for what you see and hear coming out of their mouths. And that is true whether it is Charlie Gibson, George Stephanopoulos, Brian Williams, Wolf Blitzer, Time Russert, Bob Schieffer, Campbell Brown, etc.
These people are tightly scripted by 20 somethings in the back room who create the scripts for what they end up saying on camera. Sure, the $5 million per year anchor has it in his/her contract that they have final approval rights over the blather they come out with on a nightly basis. But in practice this means that if they get to the studio sooner than an hour before the broadcast and have a chance to do a quick rehearsal of what they are expected to say that evening, that's a good day. Usually they have other "commitments" which prevent them from doing even that.
And this is true of the debates as well.
The myth that there is much more than an empty breeze blowing between the ears of Charlie Gibson is just that, a myth. Charlie Gibson is a beta who is blessed with a central casting avuncular look and style, sort of a Cronkite throwback. Gibson is where he is because, having lost out to "pretty boy" Bob Woodruff in the competition to succeed Peter Jennings (no disrespect, as such, but that's the main reason why Woodruff became the anchor apparent after Peter Jennings died, not because he was some sort of gimcrack journalist; pretty boys were testing better than uncles at the time), when Woodruff took a hit on assignment in Iraq, Charlie happened to be the person most immediately available to take over Mr. America's place because he could not follow through on his duties.
And Stephanopoulos?
Even worse. One can expect that a former Rhodes Scholar is not a complete dunce, chosen more for his blow-dried hair than anything else. And Stephanopoulos does have a bit of a head on his shoulders – however blow-died his hair may be. But that he has become shamefully reliant on being the mouthpiece for what others have determined he should say on air is evident from the fact that he could let even Sean Hannity script him on the Ayres question. Or so daffily ask about flag lapel pins without being the least concerned that he was not himself wearing one at the time
And the people who make up the nonsense that these guys – and gals – mouth? Are they somehow a cynical right wing – or left wing, for that matter – conspiracy?
No, it's much more banal than that.
Again, it's 20 something guys/gals fresh out of the Ivies who have been given an "entertainment" mandate by their producers – who are even more remote from the process and are concerned about ratings and little more. And so they write drivel to execute that mandate, and then try to cover their feelings of dis-ease, as they make the rounds of weekend parties in Manhattan or DC, by telling themselves, and the chick/guy they're trying to make a move on, how cleverly intertextual some of their lines for the week for Charlie or Brian or Katie or Wolf or Chris and even Keith were.
Few people other than themselves get the references, because the older demographic which actually watches this tripe is still mired in the thought that old-fashioned journalism, you know, the sort that is interested in the truth of the matter, is somehow part a material of the intention of the impresarios who produce this dreck.
And then they go off on fantasy trips of their own, like how they know someone who knows someone who knows someone who can get them a shot at a real job – writing for Jon Stewart or Colbert.
Occasionally the "face" will blurt out something that has not been scripted. More likely he has misread the script. But these moments simply reveal the "betatude" of the mouthpiece than anything else, as in Charlie Gibson's economic howlers about capital gains and the "typical" salaries of academics.
Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making up any of this.
BillyBlog...
You may have peered into the very soul of the corporate media.
I read that the sh@tbag who produced this last democratic debate--I think his name was Don Hewitt [check me on this] (the very same who produced the Kennedy-Nixon debates of 1960)--said something to the effect of: "Look, we're just trying to hold an audience and keep it entertaining."
Thanks Billy.
ProudCon, you make a good point...
(somebody get me some smelling salts)....No, just kidding, good point.
If Obama gets the nomination, I hope he either demands a "different type of debate," or just pulls out of all the debates. I'm tired of these stupid, corporate sound-bite debates.
Your idea of having the candidates question each other--with time limit rules for responses, etc.--is a good one.
Well done, PC--we'd hoped you had it in you.
There's no good reason that political debates shouldn't be handled in the same manner as theological debates. For anyone who hasn't experienced these, here's how a fairly typical one goes:
1. The issues are clearly spelled out beforehand.
2. The debaters get a 10-15 minute opening statement.
3. The debaters get a 5-10 minute rebuttal period (sometimes two of them).
4. The debaters do cross-examination, wherein they have a period of time to ask direct questions and expect direct answers. Sometimes it's 10 minutes for the whole period; sometimes it's done where debater A gets one minute to ask the question, debater B gets two minutes to answer, and debater A then gets one minute to respond to the answer. Whatever the format, cross-examination is the real meat to any debate.
5. The debaters get 5-10 minutes to make a closing statement.
6. Sometimes audience questions are permitted afterward.
The role of the moderator is to introduce the participants, to explain the rules, and to make sure they're followed. He/she has the power to penalize the debaters for infractions.
I'd take a small handful of debates like these to the myriad of media-generated horrors we've seen any day.
The only reason I can understand as to why all and I mean all, including MEDIA MATTERS are trashing the debate is because their boy didn't show up. Hillary cleaned their nominee's clock and that is the reason for the piling on. If Hillary had looked like the jerk standing next to her - ALL OF YOU WOULD BE GRINNING FROM EAR TO EAR.
The ignorance of the Obama lovers amaze and frustrate at the same time. He may get the nominee - only because you, the MEDIA helped and convinced the masses.
Now, according to the conservative zombies, MMFA is in the tank for Obama. How pathetic.
You give us a valuable look into the heart of Republican propganda. That is to say no lie is too big or too inconsistent so long as it conforms to the current attempts to promote the sorry conservative agenda.
Setting up a debate, wow , thats like rocket science huh.
The failures to put up a real debate says what about these folks abilities.
I have to say that I really enjoyed the debate. After the debate I feel like I learned a lot more about these great candidates and how well they can handle difficult questions.
Bravo ABC News!
HopeAndExperience is the complimentary blogger for:
ABC News
How cool would it be to hear McCain answer questions about how he plans to foot the bill for Iraq and all the medical bills of our maimed sons and daughters given his affinity for the Bush tax cuts?
Oooh and wouldn't it be neat if the maoderators harangued McCain about his legendary raging temper? Or the fact that he is a philandering gold-digger? What if he had to answer questions about wanting 100 years of occupation even if he never said such thing?
How about if he were endlessly confronted on his immigration flip-flops? Bet you would really like to see his mettle tested in that manner. Right?
Yeah, I could really dig seeing McCain handle those "difficult" questions day in and day out.
How 'bout you?
Can you dig it?
The constitution apparently declares that every single debate must be under the iron grip of a big media stooge. Otherwise, we'd have pushed them overboard long ago.
Please...ONE debate without a media stooge. Just ONE.
I don't read Jeter 2's posts anymore...
I just wait for Tommy. His are more funny.
I confess I didn't see the debate, but I knew it was in Philadelphia, at the National Constitution Center... I didn't know that anyone had implied a "Constitution theme" to the debate though, and not seeing it, didn't know that the only reference to the Constitution was a 2nd Amendment reference (according to the above essay), meant only to bait the Democratic candidates... as far as the Constitution goes, it seems it could be the "theme" of every debate, seeing as it's the Law of the land, and the thing to which our Lawmakers and the administrators of our Federal Government are Sworn (or Affirmed) to uphold.
I'd have asked "Constitution-themed" questions such as these:
"What do you think of the 22nd Amendment, limiting the President to 2 terms or 10 years: Is it simply a limitation on the American People's Right to Vote for whoever they prefer as President? Or is it in fact a protection against a getting-too-old likely-to-die-in-Office President? And if that's the case, then why not have an age limit to be President?"
"What about the Presidentail Power to fill Judicial vacancies, and Department and Agency vacacies, while the Senate (who otherwise are Constitutionally required to Advise and Consent) are in Recess? Has the current President abused that Power, and should it be rescinded?"
"As you all know, a super-majority of the Congress is required to over-ride a Presidential Veto, and for the Senate to remove the President from Office; and a super-majority is also required even to expel a Member of Congress; but a simple majority is all that's required to Declare War, or to give the President any Powers or Authority toward War. Shouldn't such a serious matter as War is, also require a super-majority of the Congress?
And if so, would we be in Iraq right now if that were the case? Could George W. Bush have invaded and occupied the nation of Iraq, were a super-majority of the Congress (instead of a simple majority) required to do so?"
The Constitution actually should be the substance, or the reference, of all debate questions... the debates would be very enlightening that way... I'd definitely watch them, if that were the case.
Interesting questions.
Regarding term limits, wouldn't it be so cool if the Republicans were forced to run Bush again?
Regarding supermajorities, there's always the filibuster. Currently it takes 60% to pass any bill when Democrats are in the majority, and 50% to pass any bill when Republicans are in the majority.
I don't want to be cynical Col....well ok why not.
The same way they have previously. Anything over a certain level just goes right over them, and so doesn't realy exsist.
I'm more of the opinion that the intellectual level we're talking here is of an 8th grade hetro male watching an 8th grade cheerleader.
Until ANY presidential/Congressional/Senatorial/et ceteral candidate starts paying attention to the Tenth Amendment, it doesn't matter how much talk about the Constitution takes place in a debate or forum.
Which is why we need the Enumerated Powers Act, which would require that all bills introduced into the Congress include a statement setting forth the specific constitutional authority under which the law would be enacted.
Too bad we didn't have this... oh, say... a good fifty years ago, at least.
As a professor of Constitutional Law at a University, I am dismayed by the ignorance of high school graduates regarding the history of The Constitution and the document itself. When I read the news, and the statements made by elected or appointed government officials, I am appalled by the ignorance of the very prople who take an oath of office to uphold and defend that document.
I'm not speaking of memorizing facts, dates or which Amendment is which, I refer to an understanding of the words, principles and ideals of the founding fathers and their dreams for what this country could be.