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"Media Matters"; by Jamison Foser

April 25, 2008 7:39 pm ET

The media render the RNC obsolete

When Bob Dole wrapped up the Republican nomination in 1996, he bumped up against the limits on campaign spending by which candidates who take public financing agree to abide. Dole's situation was the subject of significant media attention, meaning that even if he was inclined to simply ignore the limits and hope to escape significant legal penalties, it would have been politically difficult to do so -- he would have been plagued by news reports that he was breaking the law. So Dole turned to the Republican National Committee to carry him to the Republican convention, when he received his general election funding.

Dole's predicament has a contemporary analogue -- to an extent. Like Dole, John McCain has wrapped up the GOP presidential nomination well in advance of the party's convention. Like Dole, McCain has reached the primary spending caps and may be breaking the law with each additional dollar he spends. (McCain's campaign asserts that he is not breaking the law because he opted out of the public finance system after first opting in. Federal Election Commission chairman David Mason disagrees.)

But that's where the similarities end. Things are a little easier if your name is John McCain -- after all, who needs the RNC when you have MSNBC?

As Media Matters has repeatedly documented, the media have largely given McCain a pass on his possible law-breaking -- and even continue to tout him as a paragon of campaign finance virtue. Needless to say, when McCain travels to Selma for a photo-op, the media don't point out that he is likely breaking campaign finance law by doing so. McCain is thus free to continue campaigning full steam ahead in a way Dole was not.

But even if McCain were to slow his spending, he would hardly need the RNC to carry him -- not when the media are carrying his water.

Last week, Politico reported that John McCain has an "unorthodox strategy" to capture the presidency -- he "will rely on free media to an unprecedented degree to get out his message."

Interesting word, "rely" -- the American Heritage Dictionary defines it not only as "to be dependent for support, help, or supply," but also as "to place or have faith or confidence."

Planning a presidential campaign around confidence that the news media will get your message out for you might ordinarily be considered a risky gambit. But the media wasted no time in establishing that McCain's faith will be rewarded. Just look at the past week.

Last Friday, McCain released his tax filings -- sort of. Not that there was any great media pressure on him to do so; while hounding Hillary Clinton to release her tax filings, the media ignored the fact that McCain had not released his -- some even falsely claimed that he had already done so. Even after Clinton released hers, the media showed no interest in whether McCain would do likewise. So when McCain finally released an extremely limited portion of his filings -- he released only those from the past two years, and only his, not his wife, Cindy's -- it came as no surprise that the media neither dug in with the appetite they brought to Clinton's taxes nor demanded more.

The media even bought the McCain campaign's bogus claim that John Kerry's 2004 campaign provided a precedent for McCain to keep Cindy's taxes secret. While the Kerry campaign did not release Teresa Heinz Kerry's complete tax filings, it did release summary pages that showed, for example, her total income, which allowed The New York Times to analyze how much she benefited from the Bush tax cuts. John McCain once said those tax cuts unfairly benefit the wealthy; he and his wife are spectacularly wealthy, and McCain now supports those tax cuts -- but we have no way of knowing how much money they save John and Cindy McCain. And the media don't care.

Remember: Cindy McCain once was investment partners with Charles Keating, around the time McCain was breaking ethics rules by taking free flights on Keating's jet and being reprimanded by the Senate Ethics Committee after urging regulators to go easy on Keating's savings and loan. Yet the news media are content to assume that McCain is now clean as a whistle; no need to scrutinize his finances the way they scrutinize Clinton's and Barack Obama's. (On MSNBC in February, Time magazine's Rick Stengel asserted that "McCain is so pure on this issue, ever since the Keating Five when he saw the light. ... McCain has toed the line about lobbyists, about campaign fundraising." How would Stengel know, if he and his fellow journalists refuse to actually examine McCain's conduct rather than simply asserting his purity?)

On Tuesday, The New York Times ran what should have served as a reminder to other media outlets that stipulating to McCain's purity is not journalism, it is cheerleading. The Times revealed that McCain helped Donald Diamond, one of his biggest fundraisers, purchase a stretch of California coastal land from the Pentagon -- a purchase that netted Diamond a $20 million profit. Diamond explained: "I think that is what Congress people are supposed to do for constituents. ... When you have a big, significant businessman like myself, why wouldn't you want to help move things along? What else would they do? They waste so much time with legislation."

Rather than jumping on the Times report, as they have with stories about Clinton and Obama donors, the rest of the media politely averted their eyes. A Nexis search finds only a handful of news reports about McCain and Diamond since the Times story ran: a UPI article, an article in The Monterey County Herald, and a few blog posts.

Instead of asking questions about McCain's limited release of his tax filings or his relationship with Diamond, many in the media have been busy running his positive branding campaign for him.

At The Washington Post, purportedly liberal columnist Richard Cohen declares McCain's dishonesty "understandable" and insists he is "an honorable man" anyway. (Cohen isn't so kind to Hillary Clinton; her alleged dishonesty renders her "incapable of doing an essential part of the job" of president, according to Cohen.)

Cohen's colleague David Broder, meanwhile, says of McCain, "In an age of deep cynicism about politicians of both parties, McCain is the rare exception who is not assumed to be willing to sacrifice personal credibility to prevail in any contest." Broder's use of the passive voice allowed him to avoid saying who assumes this of McCain, but it's pretty clear that the answer is "David Broder." The question then becomes why David Broder would assume this, as Bob Borosage and Steve Benen and Kevin Drum and Bob Somerby have explained. Just this morning, a Washington Post editorial devoted 50 words to asserting that McCain's tax and spending plans are less clear and less fiscally responsible than Clinton's and Obama's -- and 592 words to criticizing the Democrats' plans.

Television news wasn't any better. On MSNBC, David Gregory told viewers that "the Republicans, I think, were smart to nominate John McCain because he's not your average Republican. And he's got a pretty strong brand identity as being a maverick and being anti-politics and anti-Washington. He's got a lot of cards to play here." (Gregory didn't mention that McCain got that "brand identity" largely because reporters keep calling him a maverick and asserting that he is "anti-politics and anti-Washington" while ignoring stories about him doing favors for donors. Must have slipped his mind.) And on CNN, Wolf Blitzer and Gloria Borger engaged in what one can only assume was a contest to see who could cram the most favorable descriptions of McCain into a single sentence.

But nowhere was the media's assistance of McCain (intentional or otherwise) more apparent than during MSNBC's coverage of two new right-wing advertisements attacking Barack Obama.

This week, the North Carolina Republican Party unveiled an ad attacking Obama. Despite the fact that the ad is not yet running on television, television news outlets quickly began giving the state party free national airtime by playing the ad over and over. Which, of course, is precisely what the North Carolina Republican Party wanted -- you don't release an ad that is not yet running if you don't want television news to play it over and over again.

That isn't particularly unusual -- campaigns, party committees, and other organizations frequently release ads that will see little or no actual airtime in hopes that television news programs will play them for free. And the news media often play along (though they don't do so consistently: How often have you seen news reports play recent ads critical of McCain?)

The twist in coverage of the North Carolina GOP ad is that while running the ad over and over again, media figures hyped McCain's purported efforts to stop the ad. McCain thus got the benefit of television news programs repeatedly playing an ad critical of his potential opponent, while also benefiting from those same news programs portraying him as a good and noble person opposed to ugly campaign tactics like those on display in the ad.

On NBC's Nightly News, for example, Andrea Mitchell played a portion of the ad, then announced, "John McCain immediately demanded that the North Carolina Republicans kill the ad." Earlier in the day, Mitchell said on MSNBC that McCain was "obviously taking a very strong stand" against the ad.

But McCain's "very strong stand" turns out to have been something else entirely. McCain said in a letter released to the media and purportedly sent to the state party that he is "committed to running a respectful campaign based upon an honest debate. ... The television advertisement you are planning to air degrades our civics and distracts us from the very real differences we have with the Democrats. ... [W]e need not engage in political tactics that only seek to divide the American people. ... [I]t is imperative that you withdraw this offensive advertisement."

And ... that's it. John McCain's "very strong stand" against the ad consisted of a sternly worded letter.

McCain later told a campaign audience that "all I can do is publicly state that that is not in keeping with the tradition of the party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Ronald Reagan, and I will bring every pressure to bear that I can to stop it."

But the simple fact is that John McCain could stop the North Carolina Republican Party from running the ad in a heartbeat, if he really wanted to. As the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, he holds enormous leverage over pretty much every Republican on the planet. There are countless ways he could exercise that leverage to prevent the ad from running. He could tell the state party that if it runs the ad, he will not campaign for North Carolina Republicans. He could tell the party that if it runs the ad, he will endorse Democrats running for office in North Carolina. He could tell them that if they run the ad, he will do everything he can to reduce the number of delegates North Carolina has at future Republican conventions.

McCain could do any of those things or countless others. And he would, if he truly believed it is "imperative" that the ad not run. He would, if he was telling the truth when he said he would "bring every pressure to bear that I can to stop it."

On Thursday, MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell interviewed RNC chairman Mike Duncan, who also claims to want the North Carolina GOP to drop the ad. O'Donnell let Duncan repeatedly claim he and McCain oppose the ad without asking Duncan a single question about whether either the RNC or McCain would actually do anything about it.

On Friday's Today show, McCain insisted, "I've done everything that I can to repudiate and to see that this kind of campaigning does not continue." On Good Morning America on Friday, McCain insisted, "I'll do everything in my power to make sure not only they stop it but that kind of leadership is rejected." On neither program was McCain asked if he would actually do anything to force the state party to drop the ad, other than complain about it. He wasn't asked if he has conveyed to the state party that there will be consequences for their decision to run the ad. He was simply allowed to assert that he's done "everything that I can" to stop it -- though this plainly isn't true. North Carolina Republican Party chairwoman Linda Daves says she hasn't had a conversation with McCain about the ad. It seems a pretty safe assumption that John McCain is capable of getting the chair of the North Carolina state party on the phone if he really wants to.

While MSNBC and other media outlets fell all over themselves giving McCain credit for opposing the ad, National Review Online's Jim Geraghty took a less credulous approach:

I'm hearing a great deal of complaints [from conservatives] about John McCain's disavowal and disapproval of a North Carolina GOP ad.

[...]

Does no one else see what's going on here?

How many other North Carolina Republican Party ads have you heard about this year? Last year? The year before that?

By criticizing the ad, McCain turned it into a national story, which means the ad is likely to be replayed on the cable networks and linked on YouTube and discussed on the talk shows and talk radio and written about in newspapers and magazines. This ad has 76,000 views on YouTube already, and it was posted online Tuesday.

And McCain gets to take the high road, saying he doesn't want to see negative campaigning done on his behalf.

You know the "mainstream" media is in the tank for John McCain when even the conservative National Review is less likely to take his claims at face value than the likes of NBC and ABC are.

It simply isn't plausible that nobody at ABC or NBC News can think of a single way McCain or Duncan might be able to pressure the North Carolina Republican Party to dump this ad if they really didn't want it to run. The only other possibility is that they do recognize the obvious fact that McCain could do more to stop the ad if he really thought it is "imperative" that it be stopped -- but that they are unwilling to say so and prefer to let McCain have his cake and eat it, too. Worse, they behave as though it is their role to spoon-feed it to him.

The upshot of all of this is that an attack ad produced by the North Carolina Republican Party got nearly nonstop (free) airtime on television news for multiple days to John McCain's presumed benefit, and those same news reports obediently reported that McCain himself is a swell guy who disapproves of such harsh tactics -- without bothering to note that he hadn't actually done anything to stop the ad.

And this is becoming a pattern, as Media Matters has documented: John McCain gets great press for making what increasingly seem to be empty promises to run a respectful campaign; people connected to his campaign engage in the kind of politics he decries; and the cycle repeats itself over and over again.

And then there's Floyd Brown's latest effort. The far-right hatchet man responsible for the Willie Horton ad in 1988 recently unveiled an attack ad aimed at Barack Obama -- an ad that Brown has not actually purchased any airtime for. Then again, maybe he doesn't have to -- not when MSNBC is willing to run it for free.

When MSNBC aired the ad during Thursday's edition of MSNBC Live, anchor Contessa Brewer noted: "Well, here's the catch: Brown does not have a single ad buy in any TV market. Instead of paying for airtime, he just announces this in a press release for outlets like YouTube to pick up."

Or like, perhaps ... MSNBC?

(YouTube, by the way, isn't an "outlet" that "picks up" video; it is a website to which anyone can post their own videos. MSNBC is an outlet that picks up, and airs for free, right-wing attack ads.)

Brewer then asked, "[I]s this a new way to get your ad covered without buying any time?"

No, in fact, it's an age-old and incredibly well-known way to get your ad covered without buying any time, as any journalist or political operative should know. And Brewer and MSNBC fell for it -- or chose to go along with it.

How old? How well-known? The makers of what may be the two most famous political advertisements in American history employed this very tactic. In 1964, Lyndon Johnson's campaign paid for the "Daisy Ad" to air only one time -- but millions more people saw it when the three networks played the ad as part of their news broadcasts. And the Willie Horton ad -- for which Floyd Brown was partially responsible -- aired on cable television in only two New England markets before gaining a wider audience via the news media.

And so, because MSNBC was taken in by the oldest trick in the book (or pretends to have been), an anti-Obama attack ad that is airing nowhere gets a national television audience.

Who needs the RNC when you have MSNBC?

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    • Author by wesley (April 25, 2008 8:09 pm ET)
         

       -- He could tell the party that if it runs the ad, he will endorse Democrats running for office in North Carolina. -- Jamison "Don Quixote" Foser

      That statement brings a side-splitting roar of laughter.

      This ad is about the North Carolina governor's race and not about McCain. They have every right and responsibility to try to get North Carolina voters to elect a republican governor.

       -- This ad opposes two Democrat candidates for Governor in North Carolina.  It poses a legitimate question about judgment for which the people of North Carolina deserve an answer. -- Linda Daves North Carolina Republican Chairman.

      McCain didn't like the ad...and said so. It's not his duty to run the state politics in NC. 

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      • Author by roundhouse (April 25, 2008 8:49 pm ET)
           
        Boy! You sure are a jerk, wes. But you are right about one thing, that ad ain't about McCain. It's an ad about two NC politicians that just happens to attack Barrack Obama with that putriscent guilt by association angle.

        But hey, here's an inversion of Repub talking points for you, if McCain has no suction with the NC RNC, how can we expect him to deal with foreign leaders? Stupid question isn't it? I stole it from one of your ignorant conservative troll buddies.

        Here's a valid question though. If he can't reel in these attack dogs in NC, how's he going to lead us to better future? How's he going to appease the swing voters with bi-partisanship if he can't even quell the partisans in is own Party?

        Anyway. You're pathetic wes as are most of you Republicans. You cons need to slink away with what little dignity y'all have left. You guys have no credibility. You have proven that people who disdain government cannot be trusted to run government.
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        • Author by chrisj7272624 (April 25, 2008 11:44 pm ET)
             
          I for one am quite offended by your statement that all Reps are ignorant. You have not met us all so how could you possibly know? That is the same as any other racist remark that I have ever heard. Th true reason why McCain will never bring the Reps together is because he is not a Conservative. He is a moderate, really almost Liberal. But definitly NOT conservative. Honestly as a Republican the worse thing that could happen is for McCain to become the next President. But whats worse is that I can't say that Obama or Clinton would be either. Any one heard who any of the Independents will be?
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          • Author by roundhouse (April 28, 2008 10:33 am ET)
               
            Well, you are apparently ONE of the MANY (I did not say ALL) ignorant cons. And I think you are ignorant because Republicanism is not a race. Republicanism is an affliction but not a race, so calling me a racist for pointing out the ignorance of most cons is well, ignorant.
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          • Author by solon (April 28, 2008 4:11 pm ET)
               
            It is racist to insult Reps? Would that be representatives as in congressmen or do you mean republicans? Ah, that is one of the dumbest statements I have ever seen. In what way is insulting politicians racist? In what way are Republicans somehow representative of any race of people?
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      • Author by steeve (April 25, 2008 9:40 pm ET)
           

        McCain didn't have to say it was imperative that the ad not run, or that he would do everything he can to stop it.  But he did say that, and MMFA (but not the media of course) will justifiably roast him over it.

        For an amusing side note, remember when republicans used to not like McCain, and expressed it in the strongest, most irreversable terms?  What a bunch of flip floppers.  Apparently they're terrified that we might get a repeat of the 90s if a democrat wins, which...I guess...would be bad for some reason or other.

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      • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 10:25 pm ET)
           
        There is no such thing as a Democrat candidate. Since you are so stupid you dont even know the name of the largest political party in the US it is no wonder you dont know what you are talking about.
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        • Author by ConstanceRifleII (April 25, 2008 10:45 pm ET)
             

          Solon, how many times have you posted that exact same phrase?  I'm not knocking you, I'm just saying it seems you have to post that at least once every other day.  You should save yourself some time and put that on your desktop so you can just place it in here whenever any righty says "Democrat Party" :)

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          • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 10:50 pm ET)
               
            Yeah its tiresome. Why let the rightwing all alone on the field of endless repitition though. Its not like Wes doesnt KNOW what he is doing and its not like it hasnt been done a few hundred times. I choose NOT to just be defeated by being worn down. Its the same response for the same stupid, petty, jab.
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            • Author by ConstanceRifleII (April 25, 2008 10:57 pm ET)
                 
              Oh wow, you're here...I thought I was the only one.  You should repeat it as often as you need.  Wesley seems like he could potentially turn into a Jeter or a Tommy, he just needs to be honest.  Of course, facts have a liberal bias, so who knows when we'll see that out of him.
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              • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 11:01 pm ET)
                   
                Wes is bright and often goes beyond the Limborg talking points and makes good, cogent, and reasoned arguments. Then he seems to find a need to flout his dittobot credentials.
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                • Author by ConstanceRifleII (April 25, 2008 11:04 pm ET)
                     
                  Totally agree.  Quick question...and you don't have to answer if you don't want to, but who you going for? I'll come right out and say I'm an Independent North Carolinian for Obama.  I've just never gotten a gauge on who you're for, many times your posts are just scathing rebuttals to all the righties on here.
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                  • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 11:16 pm ET)
                       
                    Kucinich was my guy. I have reservations about both of the two left. I prefer Obama because he seems to me to have better progressive credentials. Wanting Kucinich I knew from the beggining I was going to be supporting the survivor so no matter which one it is I think can do a good enough job. If it were up to me right now I would choose Obama
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                    • Author by ConstanceRifleII (April 25, 2008 11:21 pm ET)
                         
                      Totally Understand that....Kucinich is an under-rated player and was faulted only because of his looks.  It's sad really, Because he could have been a great President.  But alas, that's the state of our media and our nation today.  Anyone who looks different. or rather, not presidential (whatever that means) will not get past the primary.  
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              • Author by wesley (April 26, 2008 10:28 am ET)
                   

                I admire you fella's crusade...here's a little more help for you:

                -- Ayesha Nariman, a 2002 Democrat candidate for Congress in New York   -- mmfa 

                 -- "I think it is extremely important for the Vermont Democratic Party to put up a Democrat candidate in the gubernatorial race," -- State Sen. John Campbell, D-Windsor and Senate majority leader

                 -- Typically, this far into the primaries, the remaining Democrat candidate goes after the Republican. -- Keith Olbermann

                 -- I have been blogging for a while now about Heather Ryan, the Democrat candidate for Congress in Kentucky's First Congressional District this fall...She is a young, smart, compassionate wife and mother and could be a rising star in our party  -- RDemocrat, dailykos

                  - I have now been called to serve God and my country as the true democrat candidate for the Presidency -- John Joseph Kennedy - registered write-in candidate for President in 2004 

                 -- Welcome to the official web site of the Barbara Bobo for Congress Campaign. Barbara is the Democrat candidate for the House of Representatives in Alabama's Fourth District 

                  -- My name is Diane Kastner and I am a Democrat candidate for our District 21 House of Reps (South Dakota) -- 

                 -- Renee Lobo, Democrat candidate for the 24th New York City Council District -- renelobo.com

                For a little added spice:

                 -- Party leaders, superdelegates, not the pledged kind selected by the voters rearing up and taking command of the Democrat Party. -- Keith Olbermann

                 -- And our fifth story in the COUNTDOWN, the Democrat Party, not to mention the American democracy, should be all the better for it. -- Keith Olbermann

                There is no charge or thanks necessary for the info...I was just loafing around this morning and decided to pitch in and help with your crusade.

                But I did appreciate the psycho-analysis session and I left 50 cents with your receptionist. 

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                • Author by pointofview (April 26, 2008 9:44 pm ET)
                     

                  Lol...........nice

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                • Author by mary59 (April 27, 2008 12:37 am ET)
                     
                  Hmm. Perhaps. But where are your links?
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                  • Author by Taz (April 27, 2008 9:02 am ET)
                       

                    Mary- you could google all of the quotes wesley offered here yourself, but I'll help you with a few of them.

                     

                    OLBERMANN:  Typically, this far into the primaries, the remaining Democrat candidate goes after the Republican. http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/24159697/

                    Scroll down to his interview with Joe Biden.

                     

                    KEITH OLBERMANN, MSNBC ANCHOR: And our fifth story in the COUNTDOWN, the Democrat Party, not to mention the American democracy, should be all the better for it.  The candidates finding more common ground than engaging in verbal fisticuffs with each other. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22955035/

                    You'll find it during Olbermann's intro.

                    I guess this means solon thinks Olbermann is a moron. Finally something we can agree on.

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                    • Author by mary59 (April 27, 2008 10:36 am ET)
                         
                      Thank you for your great help. Too bad this ridiculous frame is so religiously broadcast about by the right wing that it's been picked up unconsciously by normal people.
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                    • Author by solon (April 27, 2008 5:18 pm ET)
                         
                      Yeah, if he is using the term Democrat party as a derisive term he is a moron. If he made a slip of the tongue, that is what it is.
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                • Author by BottleBlonde (April 27, 2008 4:22 pm ET)
                     

                  So, all those people made errors. On accident, because they didn't know any better, likely.

                  You made the same error. On purpose, even after you've been schooled that it's wrong

                  How does it validate you making that purpseful smear to show that others have made an error? It doesn't.

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                • Author by solon (April 27, 2008 5:17 pm ET)
                     
                  WHAT? Did you think that made a point? The name of the party is the DEMOCRATIC Party, you know it and I know it. It is also clear that this term is misused on purpose with the intent of deriding the DemocratIC Party. You know it and I know it. The fact that some people have also misused it WITHOUT that intent doesnt change this one bit. NOT ONE BIT. You know the name of this party and misuse the term for purposes of derision. Its petty, its old, its tired and I dont like it. So I will respond as I see fit and the fact you can find some typos or slips of the tongue that coincide with your derision mean NOTHING. We all know what is going on here.
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        • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (April 26, 2008 12:24 pm ET)
             

          The CON party...

          Please repeat 5 million times.

          Con party, Con party, Con party, Con party, Con party, Con party............

          constipated, convoluted, convicted, con-job, 

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          • Author by juliajayne (April 27, 2008 4:51 pm ET)
               

            How about RepubliCON party. The party that has CONtempt for the rule of law.

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            • Author by eweston8542983 (April 27, 2008 10:56 pm ET)
                 
              The Fst variation, The Damocrats and The Rippublicans.
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              • Author by hogprint (April 28, 2008 9:46 am ET)
                   

                Count me in on the crusade for the misuse of democrat...

                From now on you shall be know as DEMORATS!   :)

                Of course you know I jest!  ;) 

                 

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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (April 25, 2008 11:04 pm ET)
           

        This ad is about the North Carolina governor's race and not about McCain. They have every right and responsibility to try to get North Carolina voters to elect a republican governor.

        That statement brings a side-splitting roar of laughter. If the ad was ONLY about the NC governor’s race WHY mention a DEMOCRATIC Presidential candidate?

        This ad opposes two Democrat candidates for Governor in North Carolina. It poses a legitimate question about judgment for which the people of North Carolina deserve an answer. -- Linda Daves North Carolina Republican Chairman.

        Judgement? So they error in judgement by endorsing a Presidential candidate? Are they voting for President? I thought this was about electing a governor for the state of North Carolina.

        McCain didn't like the ad...and said so. It's not his duty to run the state politics in NC.

        Bullsh*t It became a win win situation for Republicans. McCain APPEARS to take the high road, of course causing a media event in which the ad MUST be shown. The NC GOP tell McCain to take a hike again causing a REPLAY of the ad and making McCain look like he’s not the pawn of the Bush administration ONLY we all know he is.

         

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        • Author by ConstanceRifleII (April 25, 2008 11:17 pm ET)
             

          Great post Pearlene, I'm an NC resident as well.  I've seen that ad at least 3 times, and I don't even watch the nightly news.  That ad is a direct shot at Obama for the NC primary.

           

          P.S.  Where are you from?  I'm living in South Durham right now. 

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        • Author by pointofview (April 26, 2008 9:22 am ET)
             

          So let me understand Pearl.  If McCain says nothing, you would attack him as supporting the add.  If he says he does not like the add....you again attack him.  And Kerry still wonders why people laughed at him for voting for the bill, before he voted against it.  The Democrats.........yes Solon...the Democrats..........I see no candidated with a P after their name.....the Democrats talk out of both sides of their mouth like this all the time....and then wonder......why oh why do we lose.  Kind of like HC in favor of a drivers licence for illegals......but not realy.....and BO supporting his crazy uncle Wright......but not really.

          You democrats really make it to easy.

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          • Author by mary59 (April 26, 2008 9:49 am ET)
               
            "So let me understand Pearl. If McCain says nothing, you would attack him as supporting the add. If he says he does not like the add....you again attack him. And Kerry still wonders why people laughed at him for voting for the bill, before he voted against it. "

            I'm not sure why you think your Kerry comment had anything to do with your first point about McCain. It doesn't. It is pretty obvious that you don't understand the free pass McCain is getting here. He gets to play the disapproving statesmen while the attack dog party members get negative and roll around in the dirt. Yep, politicians do this all the time, but these days the dirtier the ad, the more it will get airtime...insane amounts of airtime...you think McCain doesn't know this?????

            So you only notice when Democrats equivocate, eh? MM has numerous articles noticing McCain's flip flops which are far more glaring than anything Kerry, Clinton or Obama have done. Totally reversing positions on Choice, foreign interventions, "agents of intolerance", etc. By the way, as it has been explained one zillion times, Kerry voted for a version of the bill that would have actually offset the expense of the authorization instead of putting it on the taxpayer credit card. But I guess you like the "Borrow and spend" aspect that the Republicans have been using for the past 28 years.
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            • Author by pointofview (April 26, 2008 9:57 am ET)
                 

              Mary

              My point about the Kerry comment is that the dems demand having it both ways.  McCain did not run this add, yet nothing he does makes you happy.  He cant condem it or support it.  That is the tie into to kerry and the flip flop reputation. 

              In any event, we all knew this was coming.  The Wright issue will be used all through the campaign.  It has been used by HC in the debates and in speeches, and will continue to be used. When you have a high profile racist like Wright, it will be used over and over again.

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              • Author by mary59 (April 26, 2008 11:33 am ET)
                   
                You really believe that McCain disapproves of the ad, don't you. Well most of us here don't. That's the difference. We don't buy the mr. straight talk image because of massive evidence to the contrary.

                Your other comment doesn't deserve a reply.
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                • Author by pointofview (April 26, 2008 11:59 am ET)
                     
                  Why......because it is true.........everything I said was true. 
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                  • Author by mary59 (April 27, 2008 12:33 am ET)
                       
                    You really should be ashamed at your own ignorance. But of course, you aren't.

                    " Like the prophets of the Bible, and Jesus himself, who called out the moral failings of the powerful, King took America to task for racism and poverty, Moss said. Grasping the connection with their own embattled senior pastor, the congregation exploded in shouts of "Tell it!" and "Make it plain!"

                    For many black churchgoers, the attack on Wright is an assault on how they choose to worship. Though the black church is not without its flaws and shortcomings--on more than one occasion, Wright has called out the behavior of other black ministers, and the rise of prosperity teachings has cut into the tradition of afflicting the comfortable--it has endured as a powerful cultural and social institution because it is needed. As long as racism exists, the church provides a sanctuary for many black folks. "

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                  • Author by solon (April 27, 2008 5:27 pm ET)
                       

                    No it isnt. You cannot show Wright is a racist. He is NOT a racist just because you keep repeating he is and your delusions do NOT define reality.

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              • Author by solon (April 27, 2008 5:26 pm ET)
                   
                So you keep repeating the hivemind idiocy about Wrights racism though every time we have asked you to back that up with evidence of his racism or anything racist he has said you have been unable to do so. You really do think if you repeat it often enough it will magically become true. That is a sign of a very weak mind.
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                • Author by pointofview (April 27, 2008 6:33 pm ET)
                     

                  No Matter how many examples I give you Solon, you, and Mary, and Pearl always refuse to address them.  You come back sand say he is not racist, because the black church supports him.  I dont care.  He is a racist, he is a scam artist, he is a swindler, and he is no Dr. King.  He has made millions off of his scams, and he will retire in comfort.  The poor black neighborhoods are still there, and he can still call on God to Damn America, but he is part of the elite that likes things just the way they are. 

                   

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                  • Author by rtwmd1230 (April 27, 2008 6:41 pm ET)
                       
                    And you're not in Iraq because?
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                    • Author by pointofview (April 27, 2008 7:19 pm ET)
                         

                      rtwmd1230

                      Tell me rtwmd1230, why did you support sadam in the murder, rape, and mass killing of his own people?  We have already discussed on another thread that in your view, only those on the front lines of WWII could be against nazi germany, but why do you still support the slaughter of the innocent.  I wish you would answer, but I understand you do not have the testicles to do so. 

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                      • Author by rtwmd1230 (April 27, 2008 7:38 pm ET)
                           
                        Again, you avoid answering a simple question by casting aspersions on me that have no basis in anything I have ever posted on MMFA.

                        I truly want to know, how do you, and others who feel like you that the invasion on Iraq was a just and noble interprise, explain your refusal to enlist in the armed services.
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                        • Author by pointofview (April 27, 2008 8:18 pm ET)
                             

                          rtwmd1230

                          And again, you refuse to address my points.  You assume all thos who support the war would even be able to join.  I would not qualify for service first and formost based on age.  Second, based upon a number of surgeries, I would not qualify.  Does that mean that I can not beleive that Sadam was evil, responsible for the death of thousands if not millions, and had to be removed? 

                          Your position can not be supported.  Millions of Americans have supported wars in which they could not, or did not fight in.  Many of your far left liberal loonies are proud of dodging the draft, and one of them served as president.  The same one who let sadam go by the way.  Other brag of bombing buildings and wish they could have killed more.

                          So i ask you....again.....for the third time.......why did you support the evil that was Sadam, and why do you think it was wrong to remove him???

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                          • Author by rtwmd1230 (April 27, 2008 9:18 pm ET)
                               
                            POV:

                            You continue to attack me for positions I have never supported, either on MMFA OR in my private life.

                            Engaging in war is the most awesome and horrible act a nation can do. If we feel it is justified, we MUST accept the resulting pain and suffering, both for ourselves and for our family members. This is where so many of us feel that the "chickenhawks" of this administration are behaving a manner that is despicable.

                            Yes, Sadaam was a truly evil man. So were Josef Stalin. Mao Tse-Tung, Suharto, Idi Aminn, and many others. Many of them were allies of the United States. I do not feel it was our responsibility to invade their countries and forcibly remove them from power. Many of us wonder why we feel we have that right in Iraq.

                            Pearlene has clearly replied to your post in that, at the time we invaded Iraq, Sadaams' acts of cruelty were not given as the reason for our actions.
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                            • Author by pointofview (April 27, 2008 9:33 pm ET)
                                 

                              rtwmd1230

                              you said...."Pearlene has clearly replied to your post in that, at the time we invaded Iraq, Sadaams' acts of cruelty were not given as the reason for our actions"

                              Explain to me why that matters.  They were real, and they did happen.  Neither I,nor you, nor anyone who posts here knows what was in Bush's heart or mind whem he made the decision to go to war.  But the things that I mention were true, and for that reason alone the war was justified.

                              You also said...."I do not feel it was our responsibility to invade their countries and forcibly remove them from power. Many of us wonder why we feel we have that right in Iraq." 

                              I for one feel that we do have the right, duty, and obligation to stop the murder of millions.  I know it is easy to find examples where we have not done so, but that does not make it right. 

                              You also seem to have certian assumptions when you talk to conseratives.  You seem to assume, almost without exception that we all love war, cant wait to see people die, and will stop at nothing to find the next war.  Of course war is horrible as you say.  Of course we all wish we could avoid it.  But that is not always the case.

                              Think about this....if we knew.......and I mean really knew........zero room for doubt..that iran had a nuclear weapon.....would you support war to stop the threat.  Would you support an invasion to protect us, and to protect israel?  

                              You believe that war is horrible, and perhaps evil.  I would not diasgree with that.   But the fact is that many in the world, and many in the middle east do not share that view.  if the war in Iraq saved tens of thousands of Iraqi's, gave us a presence in the middle east, and made us safer, than I for one say it was worth it.  I know most americans are against the war.  How much do you want to bet that another attack on american soil.......which we have not had........would change those number around over night?
                               

                               

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                              • Author by rtwmd1230 (April 27, 2008 9:55 pm ET)
                                   
                                "But the things that I mention were true, and for that reason alone the war was justified."

                                But, seriously, wouldn't that mean that we should invade EVERY country where the government is cruel and muderous (i.e.,China, Russia, Zimbawe, Saudi Arabia, et. al.)?
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                                • Author by pointofview (April 27, 2008 10:11 pm ET)
                                     
                                  As i said....it is easy to find examples where we did not do it......either for money......or raw politics.   Does not make it right.
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                                  • Author by solon (April 27, 2008 10:43 pm ET)
                                       
                                    And the times like Pol Pot and Suhuarto when we actually SUPPORTED much worse butchers?
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                              • Author by foghornleghorn (April 28, 2008 9:25 am ET)
                                   

                                I for one feel that we do have the right, duty, and obligation to stop the murder of millions.

                                Then I guess you're for a national health care system, one that would help eliminate more than 100,000 deaths a year.

                                No, probably not.  Because Rush tells you that's socialism.

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                      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 28, 2008 10:57 am ET)
                           

                        Tell me rtwmd1230, why did you support sadam in the murder, rape, and mass killing of his own people?

                        You mean the way Donald Rumsfeld did right after it happened? Do you know what the Republican Administration's response to this heinous crime was (and it was a heinous crime)?

                        They sent Rumsfeld to Iraq to shake Sadaam's hand, and to sell him more of the same type of poison gas and the helicopters used to deploy it.

                        Why do you always choose stupidity over knowledge? 

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                  • Author by solon (April 27, 2008 7:57 pm ET)
                       
                    BALONEY. When you HAVE given an example we have pointed out why it was NOT racist. Like when you said it was racist that he accused the GOVERNMENT of creating the aids virus. We CORRECTLY pointed out that criticising the government is NOT RACIST. Ya got nothin. You havent come CLOSE to showing ANYTHING racist EVER said by Wright. You just keep SAYING he is racist. You arent within a parsec of showing any actual racism.
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                    • Author by pointofview (April 27, 2008 8:22 pm ET)
                         

                      Solon

                      What color is the sky where you live.  When you claim a govt set out to kill only one race...and it is false...it is a racist statment.  Are you really to blinded by the partisan left wing hate america crowd that you can not see that?  When you refer the the United States of KKK America, that is racist.  You refuse to address those points, and by refusing to address them on a national, the Democrats (which you dont believe exist) are losing voters.  You never had my vote, but many of my moderate and and left wing friends whill not vote for BO over this issue.  Loose the center....and lose the election.

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                      • Author by solon (April 27, 2008 8:34 pm ET)
                           
                        Just how ignorant are you anyway? Clearly you have been brainwashed by the Limborg hivemind. He didnt blame that on WHITE people, he blamed that on the GOVERNMENT. DUH, now try to keep up and I will try to dumb this down to the level someone as stupid as you can understand. Government not same as White People, being mean to government is not racist. YOU are a moron. Calling the GOVERNMENT ANYTHING is not racist. Being wrong or even stupid is not racist. Accusing the government of doing something racist is not racist. Check out Tuskegee Syphilis experiments. Once more you STUPID not in any way show racism. When you obtain two working brain cells get back to us.
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                        • Author by pointofview (April 27, 2008 8:55 pm ET)
                             

                          Solon

                          I will go slow for you....you have to be one of the dumbest people here.  If aids was designed to kill people, it would have been made in the 70's.  Now....lets see.......most high ranking govt people in the 70's were white.  So.....pay attention you poor excuse for a dumb a$$......if a bunch of white people....created a virus........to kill black people....can you really say that was not a racist act?.  Do you need me to talk slower??  Do you need some one to read this to you??

                          Ok.....still with me.  Had that happened, it would have been racist.......but it did not.  Wright was lying.......get it.....not true.......did not happen.......it was a racist statement. 

                          Still there skippy......I notice you did not mention the United States of KKK that Wright said.  Why Solon......no liberal lie good enough to cover that up.  You are so dumb that people with an IQ of 35 seek you out to feel smart.  You are the reason they have to put signs in the mens room that say please dont eat the big white mints above the urinal.

                          I was never for abortion in my life, but had I met your mother, I may have changed my mind. 

                           

                           

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                          • Author by solon (April 27, 2008 10:15 pm ET)
                               
                            MY GOD you are stupid. Pet ROCKS are smarter than you. I didnt SAY I agree that AIDs was created, I thought the statement was DUMB what it WASNT was racist because he didnt blame WHITE PEOPLE. Got that distinction MORON? The Government is NOT synonomous with WHITE PEOPLE you incredible imbecile. I DID address the America KKK statement. I said it is NOT racist to accuse the government of racism and referenced the Tuskegee Syphilis experiments. At this point I must appologize to morons everywhere for comparing them to your ASTONISHING IGNORANCE. You are SO stupid. I cannot believe anyone as stupid as you can operate a keyboard. Your ignorance is awe inspiring. There is NOTHING RACIST about criticising the government on racial issues even if he is WRONG or if the accusations are DUMB. It is NOT a reflection on WHITE PEOPLE AS A RACE you fatuous cretin that the GOVERNMENT does bad things or is accused of doing bad things. Now a retarded rhesus monkey could understand this. I suggest you get some help from the smarter members of your Marching MORONS meetings to help you understand this INCREDIBLY SIMPLE CONCEPT. Actually you dont care. You were INSTRUCTED to believe this so you dont care how astonishingly ignorant your arguments are as long as they allow you to continue your hivemind assignment to repeat this ignorant BS. You are stupid. Galactic level STUPID. I know this because the stupidest person I know just read this and said WOW that guy is really stupid. You must have been spawned from the primordial ooze of the first pure stupid. Lets try this again you sputtering baboon. Government not equal WHITE RACE. Man mean to government not mean he racist you simpering, flatulent rodent. Oameal would be embarassed to have your IQ. Find someone who is just normal level stupid to explain this obvious point to you. For you its hopeless. Higher brain function is far beyond anything you can even aspire to.
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                            • Author by pointofview (April 27, 2008 10:56 pm ET)
                                 

                              Solon

                              I am sending you a dictionary, and my Holt Handbook from college writing class.  Wow....you need it.  And, I am sorry.  College is a place where smart people go.  I know you have probably never seen one, let alone been on a college campus. 

                              Let me talk so you can understand.  Solon dumb.  He not understand.  Wright = racist, Solon = Patrick from Sponge Bob.

                              You are so dumb, so beyond help, you have more issues than NewsWeek.

                              My only hope, the only hope of humanity as a whole is that you not reproduce.  The mere fact that your parents had kids proves that there is no lifeguard at the gene pool.  Perhaps we should have made them get a license and forget about the illegal immigrants. 

                              And finally, the stupidest person you know........the one you had read my last post..........if you take the mirror down.......the bad man will go away.

                               

                               

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                              • Author by mary59 (April 28, 2008 12:06 am ET)
                                   
                                Solon, lol

                                that was a rant to remember.
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                              • Author by solon (April 28, 2008 12:07 am ET)
                                   
                                My GOD, is it POSSIBLE you made an even STUPIDER post yet. It is the most astonishing thing I have ever seen you are actually getting more ignorant post by post. Was your argument REALLY that Wright is racist because you put an equal sign between his name and racist? Wow. The magnitude of your stupidity is a wonder to behold. YOU better keep that dictionary as it is obvious you need it. Run through it and explain how criticising the GOVERNMENT can POSSIBLY be considered racist. You DEFINE ignorance. You are well on your way to establishing yourself as the stupidest organice entity in existance. Did you think that College made you intelligent? Why not. I mean it goes along with all your other fantasies. Do you have any idea how many MENSA members NEVER went to college? Lets just admit it  you are just incredibly ignorant. I mean you PROVE that Einstien was right when he said there are only two things that were infinite. The Universe and human stupidity and he wasnt sure about Human stupidity. He must have met someone who rivals your vast and unrivalled moronity. You cannot make a cogent argument so you pick a fight. I have waxed you on THIS argument like I have on pretty much all the others we have had so to hide it you start the bickering since you KNOW I am not going to take it laying down and you THINK it will camouflage your trouncing. Unfortunatly for you we are not all wingnuts with a five second attention span. The facts here are simple and you CANNOT refute them. Criticising the government even stupidly, even if wrong IS.  NOT. RACISM. It cannot POSSIBLY be unless you equate the white race WITH our government. Your boneheaded stupidity is laid bare for anyone to see. Are you really going to continue to humiliate yourself this way JUST because you feel this compulsive need to carry the hivemind message? I pick things off my sweater that arent as stupid as you. Please, you have become an object of pity here. Either beg someone to give you a cogent argument since it is obvious you have a better chance of finding the Holy Grail or the Capstone of the Great Pyramid than of thinking one up for yourself, or stop embarassing yourself. Your hideous stupidity is becoming a stench that will haunt you.
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                                • Author by pointofview (April 28, 2008 7:08 am ET)
                                     

                                  There is hope for yet......not much.....but a little.

                                  you said..........It cannot POSSIBLY be unless you equate the white race WITH our government.  

                                   If you had read.......I know reading is hard for you........but if you had read my post.that is exactly what I said.

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                                  • Author by mary59 (April 28, 2008 10:04 am ET)
                                       
                                    Your lame point was that most people in the government were white in the 1970s. That's really a stupid and very weak attempt to call Rev. Wright a "racist" and it is obvious that you are too thick to admit that.

                                    Obviously Black people were the targets of racism; your attempt to claim the opposite is just ridiculous. I doubt that you were ever denied a job or an apartment because of your race; or followed around a store, or stopped by the police because of your race. You were probably not taunted or worse when you were a child because of your race. You don't have any kind of understanding of what that would be like and instead try to target a man who has experienced all of it.

                                    The fact is, you target him because he is a strong and forceful preacher who doesn't fit your comfortable ideas. He moves his congregation to community service. They have identified with the black community just as their are Korean Christian churches, Russian Orthodox, etc. but welcome people of all races into their church. "by their fruits ye shall know them."
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                                    • Author by pointofview (April 28, 2008 2:39 pm ET)
                                         

                                      Mary

                                      And why is it weak....because you dont like it?  That is weak.  The fact remains that I am right abut that.  And had the govt done that, it would have been a racist thing to do.  Your protest does not change that.  It does not change the fact that Wright is wrong, and  a racist.

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                                      • Author by solon (April 28, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
                                           
                                        You can keep repeating it. WISHING it were true but actually its ignorant. It WONT become true because you state it as a fact ignorantly and think if you keep repeating it the magic will happen. NOTHING Wright said was racist. NOT ONE THING was deragotory to anyone BECAUSE OF RACE. Ya got nothin but stubborness and you are simply embarassing yourself. You are wrong. You havent been close to a cogent argument yet.
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                                        • Author by pointofview (April 28, 2008 4:39 pm ET)
                                             
                                          You are really dumb.  After the racist Wright spoke today at the press club, more and more people agree with me.
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                                          • Author by solon (April 28, 2008 6:51 pm ET)
                                               
                                            Another logical fallacy by the Queen of MORONS. This one would be argumentum ad populum. You cannot SHOW a racist statement so you just CLAIM people agree with your. Its stupid but then so is pretty much everything you say. Here is a hint. You cannot logically substitute a spurious claim to popularity because of your weakness of argument. Ya got nothin. Just keep embarassing yourself though the laughter at my house at your stupidity is priceless.
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                                          • Author by solon (April 28, 2008 6:53 pm ET)
                                               
                                            Also he isnt a racist because your hivemind assignments is to keep REPEATING it is. Where did you get the idea that repitition was a magic formula that would turn your stupid comments into factual reality?
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                                  • Author by solon (April 28, 2008 4:20 pm ET)
                                       
                                    The point was so ignorant I didnt think it really needed addressed. The fact that the government was mostly made up of white people is irrelevant. The government wasnt made up of ALL THE WHITE PEOPLE. This is so simple. A set OF the white race, that is politicians or government officials no more represents the entire white race than the set of gang members represents the entire black or hispanic race. How could you possibly miss that. Its 8th grade math. Sets can intersect and NOT be THE SAME SET. Your logical fallacy is if ab, then ba. It is like saying since all Senators are American then all Americans are Senators. Saying there are evil people among whites isnt racist its axiomatic. Just like there are evil people among every race, That. IS. NOT. RACIST. To be racist it would have to be about the race ITSELF not a subset of it. It would have to be saying that BEING white itself makes you inferior. If I criticise NAZIS is THAT racist against white people? Even though their regime WAS white it was not in any way representative OF ALL WHITE PEOPLE. This cant possibly be to complicated for you. Yeah, I guess it can.
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                      • Author by mary59 (April 27, 2008 8:51 pm ET)
                           
                        "Members of Trinity have been largely silent in the mainstream media, instead choosing to tell their story by posting Wright's sermons online and through testimonials that present a more complete image of the senior pastor, like a recent commentary in the Chicago Tribune by William Von Hoene Jr., a white member. He explained how Wright convinced his wife, who is African-American, that marrying him was the right thing to do, despite the challenges they might face as a couple. Breaking down racial barriers, Wright told the man, was how one made progress on issues of race.

                        In the sanctuary these days, there are many new white faces--a professor and his sociology students from a local university, teenagers from a church in a small rural town between Chicago and Wisconsin. These visitors are friends and supporters for whom the media controversy has inspired a journey of understanding. On a recent Sunday, Moss warned them that Trinity is a "hugging" church, and when the congregation paused from the service to greet one another, the visitors were swept into Trinity's collective embrace. Their presence is treated like the rainbow sign God sent Noah after the Flood.

                        But the most powerful response to the media storm surrounding Trinity is in the Sunday morning worship services. The choir sings as if attempting to pierce heaven. A wave of emotion washes over the singers, whose shouts of "Thank you, Lord!" are matched by those of the congregation, which sways side to side. The pastor's voice is as sturdy as God's trombone when he compares King to Joseph in the Old Testament, two men who suffered in this life because they dreamed of a better world. And in a display of the call-and-response tradition of the black church at its best, when Reverend Moss says, "What man meant for evil," the congregation, without a pause, replies, "God meant for good."

                        Also from The Nation article.
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                        • Author by pointofview (April 27, 2008 9:19 pm ET)
                             
                          And your point??  Look at all the good Imus does for sick kids at his ranch.  That did not seem to matter to anyone when he was being attacked as a racist.  A racist is a racist, and Wright is Wrong!!
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                          • Author by solon (April 27, 2008 10:20 pm ET)
                               
                            I can point to something racist Imus said. YOU have failed miserably to pointo to ANYTHING that someone with a normal IQ would think is racist. I doubt Imus is racist in his heart and personally never claimed he was. What he SAID was clearly racist. You really dont have a single clue do you?
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                            • Author by pointofview (April 27, 2008 11:08 pm ET)
                                 
                              Yet so many people agree with me that what he said as racist.  Funny how that works.  Just because you are dumber than pond scum, and can not see it, only makes me feel sad for you.
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                              • Author by mr. l (April 27, 2008 11:43 pm ET)
                                   
                                You realize you just agreed with Solon, right?  Despite what people MAY be on the INSIDE, what they SAY on the OUTSIDE can be correctly perceived as racist/sexist/etc.
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                                • Author by mr. l (April 27, 2008 11:49 pm ET)
                                     

                                   

                                  hmmm... unless you meant reverend Wright in your last post.  THEN the rebuttal would be 'Have all the OTHERS you know who 'think' he's a racist cough up some concrete examples.  Please do so...

                                  Thanks!

                                  Your loyal reader.

                                   p.s.  I just LOVE how you play the underdog role.  When are you going to show your powers?  Episode/Comment 1107?  Just wondering... let me know!  Thanks!

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                                • Author by pointofview (April 28, 2008 7:12 am ET)
                                     

                                  Mr L.

                                  Sorry, but no.  Solon will not even agree that what is said was racist. 

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                                  • Author by mary59 (April 28, 2008 10:06 am ET)
                                       
                                    You didn't understand Mr. L's post. Read it again.
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                                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 28, 2008 11:09 am ET)
                                       

                                    Sorry, but no.  Solon will not even agree that what is said was racist.

                                    Nor should he. What was said wasn't racist. However, what you post is frequently illogical and ignorant. 

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                              • Author by solon (April 28, 2008 12:13 am ET)
                                   
                                People who are brainwashed or almost as stupid as you maybe. Pondscum would easily have a couple dozen IQ points on you. PRAY they perfect the brain transplant since yours clearly doesnt work as well as an underwater BBQ. Its to bad you are so ignorant. Its too bad your stupidity is such a humiliation to you. It much SUCK to be you. Your DANDRUFF is smarter than you are. When they cut your HAIR the cut off the smartest thing associated with your pinhead.
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                                • Author by pointofview (April 28, 2008 2:44 pm ET)
                                     
                                  wow....you sure proved your intellect with that post.
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                                  • Author by solon (April 28, 2008 4:29 pm ET)
                                       

                                    Yes. I have one to prove. YOU sadly are so astonishingly stupid that all you prove is you are incapable of higher brain function entirely. MOSS makse more sense than you but hey, dont get down on yourself just because you are dumber than coffee grounds, you do provide amusement. Laughing at your stupidity is good for those of us that actually CAN think. One day perhaps you will be able to recognize actual logic and extrapolation. Sadly it is clear performing the act will ever be far out of your reach.

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                              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 28, 2008 11:07 am ET)
                                   

                                Yet so many people agree with me that what he said as racist.

                                Popularity of opinion is not related to accuracy of opinion. 

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                          • Author by mary59 (April 28, 2008 12:03 am ET)
                               
                            Good Lord and sweet Jesus. Did you even read the quotation? Paster Wright's actions are not those of a racist. He encouraged an interracial couple and there are white members of his congregation who are welcomed and embraced.

                            I don't think you realize how thick you appear with your feeble talking point and no evidence.
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                            • Author by pointofview (April 28, 2008 7:10 am ET)
                                 

                              Mary

                              Next you will tell me he is not a racist, because he has white friends.  The double standard used by the dems is amazing.

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                              • Author by mary59 (April 28, 2008 10:12 am ET)
                                   
                                What? You clearly are relying on a filter the size of an airplane hanger to filter out all the evidence against your bias.

                                Again, you have provided no evidence. You don't know the man personally; yet you feel qualified to pass judgment on his heart and mind. He has spent a lifetime OVERCOMING RACISM and he refuses to submit to it. That's why the Hannitys of this world try to demonize him.
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                                • Author by mary59 (April 28, 2008 12:29 pm ET)
                                     
                                  Your post is also delusional. Most "racists" do not have friends among those they attack. If you have any African American friends, why don't you ask them about this?
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                                • Author by pointofview (April 28, 2008 2:42 pm ET)
                                     

                                  What he did was sell out!!

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                                  • Author by solon (April 28, 2008 4:31 pm ET)
                                       
                                    What you did was prove you are not only a MORON but a stubborn moron. You are embarassing yourself. You havent come within MILES of showing anything racist Wright said.
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                              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 28, 2008 11:10 am ET)
                                   

                                Next you will tell me he is not a racist, because he has white friends.

                                I still believe you're ignorant, although you associate with well-informed people here. 

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                                • Author by pointofview (April 28, 2008 6:15 pm ET)
                                     
                                  For someone who thinks it is easy to refute conseratives, you have said nothing that proves you have an intelligent thought process going on anywhere.  You can tell me I am wrong all you want, but you offer nothingggggg  to support your view.  Mine is simple and easy to prove.  Wright is wrong and a racist. 
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                                  • Author by solon (April 28, 2008 6:56 pm ET)
                                       
                                    Why be repetitive. I HAVE shown where you are wrong. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Just because YOU are too stupid to understand it or too stubborn to admit it doesnt CHANGE factual reality. You have shown NOTHING racist by Wright. NOTHING. It is just that simple.
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            • Author by carver (April 27, 2008 3:35 pm ET)
                 
              McCain is standing chest deep in mud and slime showing us how clean his fingernails are
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (April 27, 2008 4:35 am ET)
               

            You democrats really make it to(sic) easy.- pointofview

            Stawmen are designed to be easy. You should try talking about some actual facts sometime if you'd like to challenge yourself.

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          • Author by solon (April 27, 2008 5:23 pm ET)
               
            The Democrats is correct. Democrat Party is a term used by imbecilic, petty ReNAMBLAcans. I know that when Moveon.Org ran a TRUE ad taking Bush to task for his missing time in the TANG and ASKED them to stop running the ad they did. I find it hard to believe that McCain has less pull with the NC GOP than Kerry had with Moveon. The GOP has a history of speaking out of both sides of their mouth with a wink and a nod about attacks just like this. Show me that pattern from Dems and I would condemn it. That isnt so hard for me, I am not a Democrat. They have earned my amnity for several things but not this.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 28, 2008 10:53 am ET)
               

            And Kerry still wonders why people laughed at him for voting for the bill, before he voted against it.

            Because they're ignorant like you. That's the main reason. They don't know there were two separate versions of the bill, with different funding sources. Now that you know, will you continue saying the same thing over and over again?

            Ignorance can be cured. Stupidity is forever. 

            Your choice. 

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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (April 26, 2008 12:18 pm ET)
           

        Democratic party in NC should respond immediately...

        The DNC and Obama camp should pony up the money to immediately respond.  Roundhouse has an excellent idea.  Link McCain to the filth.

        With a little effort, this conservative filth can be turned on the Cons themselves. 

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    • Author by draftedin68 (April 25, 2008 9:30 pm ET)
         

      All Hail The Mighty J...

      More and more, the ball-chasing puppies of the MSM act like the civilization of furry little critters living in the locker room of Grand Central in MIB II.

      Goooood Puhhh-peeees!

       

       

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    • Author by rojo7449 (April 25, 2008 10:41 pm ET)
         

      The McCain "free passes" will come to an end once the democratic nominee is in place.  If the DNC is doing it's job, they are already preparing for their own exposures of McCain once the GE begins.

      I think that the country is so certain the next president is going to be a democrat that this primary underway is of far more importance to the general public.  But, as long as we're worried about what the media isn't doing to McCain, I guess we don't have to address the horrifying way they are treating Hillary Clinton and the great, HUGE list of excuses the media is ready to give Obama for every dreadful thing he says or does.  He is running the dirtiest democratic race ever, and the media is helping him put that label on the other side.

      For ALL those months where he and his supporters were screaming for Clinton's tax returns, Obama also had not released his own. 

      The media needs to start pushing the truth of what the DNC is doing to this primary, the favor they are showing Obama, and the FACT that he is in no better a position to win this nomination than Clinton is right now. The DNC is refusing to allow the vote count in FL and MI, which were NOT off the table in the punishment for early voting, and the Superdelegates who should still be seated in full....where is the media report on all this?!

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      • Author by ConstanceRifleII (April 25, 2008 11:14 pm ET)
           

        So I agree with your first paragraph.   McCain has way too many flaws as a conservative to win the presidency.

        But you have to wake up to the facts.   If Obama wins one state, and this was before PA even, but if he wins one state, there is no mathematical way that Clinton can have more pledged delegates when the convention comes.  And on top of that, Obama's continuous gain in super-delegates is leaving fewer and fewer for Clinton to take and overcome the nomination.  And I will defy you to find one Obama campaign directive that has not been truthful during this process. 

        So one question for you.  If Obama is the Democratic nominee, will you vote for him?

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        • Author by carlileb5935 (April 26, 2008 1:39 am ET)
             

          If Obama can't get the votes, then how will he be the nominee?

          I guess he doesn't need them. The rules are different for him, eh? 

          I know one thing-- if Obama had won both Florida and Michigan instead of Clinton, and Clinton people were trying to block the votes, the media would be all over them.

          Instead, they ignore it and act like it didn't happen, or accuse Hillary of skullduggery for winning those states!

          I know another thing-- if those votes are not counted somehow, all hell is going to break loose with Hillary supporters at the Convention. As well it should.

          It's going to be fun to watch Obama supporters block votes, while at the same time trying to take the moral high ground. It won't work.

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          • Author by chrisgodawgs (April 26, 2008 1:51 am ET)
               
            Carlile said, "If Obama can't get the votes, then how will he be the nominee?

            I guess he doesn't need them. The rules are different for him, eh?"

             How are the rules different for Obama?  Obama has a huge lead.  If they go 50-50 in the next 7 contests, Obama wins.  If they go 55-45 in favor of Clinton, Obama STILL wins in delegates.  HILLARY is the one trying to change the rules in midgame.  Florida and Michigan KNEW ahead of time that they were not going to be counted but they decided to do it anyway.  It is their fault, not Obama's.  If your child knowingly breaks a rule, do you reward them let them win anyway?  Same thing.  

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      • Author by chrisgodawgs (April 26, 2008 1:44 am ET)
           

        Rojo said, "the FACT that he is in no better a position to win this nomination than Clinton is right now."

        Rojo, your math skills are way off.  Hillary needs to win 68% of the remaining delegates to catch Obama.  She has not had that kind of win in any single contest.  Of the last 88 superdelegates, 83 committed to Obama and FIVE committed to Clinton.  It's over.  She has become Mike Huckabee---staying in without any chance of winning the popular vote or delegate count.  Her only hope is for the Supers to destroy the party and lose the African American vote for years to come.   

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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (April 26, 2008 2:39 am ET)
             

          '... McCain helped Donald Diamond, one of his biggest fundraisers, purchase a stretch of California coastal land from the Pentagon -- a purchase that netted Diamond a $20 million profit. Diamond explained: "I think that is what Congress people are supposed to do for constituents. ... When you have a big, significant businessman like myself, why wouldn't you want to help move things along? What else would they do? They waste so much time with legislation." '

          big, significant businessman

          This is what makes me laugh at the rank & file Republican voter, those working for a paycheck who, against all the facts, keep buying the GOP line of looking out for the average American.

          I realize this isn't a quote from McCain himself, just an associate. But there are millions of Americans terrified of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, on video as telling America to be accountable for transgressions, and Bill Ayers, who rebelled against the Gov. 40 years ago.And they probably have no problem with, they probably don't even know about McCain's friends like Diamond, who expects his sponsorship of a candidate to help that candidate  to ignore those insignificant Americans so he can pocket a quick 20 mil.

          Thanks for the votes, suckers!

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          • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 26, 2008 12:16 pm ET)
               
            diamond's website doesn't mention any property in california, all his interests are in arizona.  further, i am not aware of any land owned by the pentagon.  the pentagon is a building, i do not believe a building can own land.
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            • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (April 26, 2008 12:41 pm ET)
                 

              "Diamond's website doesn't mention any land in California"

              -- I think it's safe to assume that this is land he'd rather keep "off the radar"

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              • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 26, 2008 12:53 pm ET)
                   
                bull, it never happened.
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                • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (April 26, 2008 2:06 pm ET)
                     

                  In California, the McCain aide’s assistance with the Army helped Mr. Diamond complete a purchase in 1999 that he soon turned over for a $20 million profit. And Mr. McCain’s letter of recommendation reinforced Mr. Diamond’s selling point about his McCain connections as he pursued — and won in 2005 — a potentially much more lucrative deal to develop a resort hotel and luxury housing. (NY Times)

                  You imbecile, of course his website didn't mention it. A website is only a collection of zeros and ones, digital bits that can't speak to you. No more than The Pentagon can buy something, or The White House can issue a press release.

                  Now go back to spotting typos and threatening people with dismemberment, and being thankful that the anonymity of the internet allows you to make a complete laughing-stock of yourself daily without suffering additional wedgies when you go back to school the following day.

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                • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 28, 2008 11:14 am ET)
                     

                  bull, it never happened.

                  Well, I'm convinced. Your supremely logical retort, supported with reams of evidence and links to prove what you say, have convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt...

                  that you are one of the worst-informed trolls ever to frequent this site.

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    • Author by Old Lady USA (April 26, 2008 3:44 am ET)
         

      There are not enough thanks in the world to send your way for this WONDERFUL work.  I, for one, am very greatful for your efforts.

       To the thread - I really think the RNC, DNC, DLC(what ever) - all the political power players - will get what they have coming by using hate tactics - if and when they do.  And McCain will be shown to be soooo alone during this campaign, it will hurt to watch.  However,

      My issue here, is MSNBC management and their programming decision to loop this crap for one entire day.  The first time it was Anderson on CNN.

      Jamison, you are helping to shape what our Political futures are going to be like - fast paced, slam messages, that arm bombing trolls to spam a candidate to victory.  The mainstream needs to gear up, and team up to give the facts of the matter(s) - or they should shut up and not call their work "reporting" as a member of the press.

      The First Amendment is there, first, for a reason - it covers what were thought to be THE most important aspects of The People's lives in the newly "United" States.  MSNBC's performance this week might have caused the "Founding Fathers" to Ctrl+Alt+Delete the Press Program part...  They (MSNBC) will shape up, but the management team there earned any and ALL the rath sent their way, and I thank you. 

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    • Author by elephty (April 26, 2008 6:36 am ET)
         

      As Jamison stated the news media is attempting to manipulate the public to vote for McShame. On every talk show, on the infotainment programs, and in the corporate news media as well the pundits and reporters sound more like fans than journalists.

      I do not believe that any of it is unintentional. The media are fully aware of who McShame is and they do not care. He is an opportunist and as an opportunist he will be a reliable tool for the ongoing attempted coup to overthrow the principles of a democratic republic and replace it with a neo-fascist capitalist state.

      Many publishers and journalists have agreed to sell out the American people for privilege, status, access, and cash. They are betraying their integrity, if they ever had any, because doing so brings the rewards from the neo-fascists. The reason they haven't declared victory and proclaimed themselves as the ruling powers that be is that they have not been able to convince the Joint Chiefs to abandon their mission and aid them in a treasonous act against the people and the Constitution of the United States.

      As far as these goons are concerned everything is going just grand. New Orleans' Ninth Ward has not been rebuilt, because they do not want it rebuilt unless it can be restored with entirely different owners and residents. Things have come to an abrupt halt in along the Southeastern coast, because the administration does not do a damn thing that does not benefit itself directly or indirectly.

      A vote for John McShame is the equivalent of raising the white-flag of surrender to the neo-fascists. The people believe that McShame can be a reliable tool and repeat their talking points verbatim, better than George Bush could only dream. It is not that George Bush is stupid, it is that he uses stupidity as an excuse and a means of hiding his duplicitous nature. John McShame plays a similar game, though is role is somewhat different in that he must appear to be an elder statesment rather than the tool he is.

      McShame will finally be able to face the Hensleys to tell them that yes, when he married their daughter it was because he was an opportunist, but as president he would be able to say that he is a damn good opportunist. Supposedly, proof of this would come on January 20, 2009. He will finally be able to say that she married him, because she knew that one day he would be president.

      McShame's stand on the issues is all over the map, because he doesn't mean anything that he says and he knows that the news media will continue to betray the American people for him, because they are as self-absorbed as infants. Yes, whether one accepts this or not the truth is that only infants are as egocentric as the modern pundits. They use cynicism to disguise their immaturity, but immature, betraying, liars and cheats they are. Such behavior is a weakness that will eat the heart out of what it means to be an American. They should be, but are not, ashamed.

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      • Author by juliajayne (April 28, 2008 10:48 am ET)
           
        Nice thoughtful post. I like McShame. That moniker fits him.
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    • Author by Jolene (April 26, 2008 8:26 am ET)
         

      Personally I am a supporter of Hillary Clinton and if this ad does anything to wake up the Democratic Voters in North Carolina then I say GREAT.

      You never come to her defense like you do with Obama, I wrote many letters at your behest. when this election started but I will not help you elect Barak Obama so play on.

       If you really cared you would support that ad in North Carolina maybe those people acting like zombies might wake up.

      Suddenly MSNBC AND CNN are unacceptable to you, why now, when the Golden Messiah has shown us what he is and that he is never going to beat the Republicans in a general Presidential election, why not help to elect the candidate who can beat John McCain, stop muddying the waters, and speak out about the incompetence of Nancy Pelosi.

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      • Author by mary59 (April 28, 2008 10:18 am ET)
           
        And I think you've gone off the rails. I like and admire many things about Clinton, but your post exemplifies the very thing I don't like about her and her campaign.
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      • Author by roundhouse (April 28, 2008 11:02 am ET)
           
        Screw that noise, Jolene. You just keep extending a helpinghand to the GOP smear thugs and you'll get your President McCain just as sure as the sun rises.

        Hell, why doesn't Hillary denounce the ad? That would be the right thing to do.

        You're an idiot, Jolene Jamele
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    • Author by Jolene (April 26, 2008 8:30 am ET)
         

      If MSNBC has finally seen the light and are no longer supporting your Messiah then perhaps I may go back to watching their shows.

      They tried so hard to make Hillary Clinton unelectable, lying and ridiculing her and bragging about Obama's charm and power to make a persons legs tingle, they should be commended if as you say 'They have seen the light' I do find that hard to believe.

      We would like a Democrat in the White House so wake up and let's support Hillary.

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      • Author by mary59 (April 28, 2008 12:27 pm ET)
           
        Using the term "messiah" is ridiculous. There is an ardent fan base and I remember the same adoration for John Kennedy back in the day. Most of us here who are supporting Obama at this point admire how he has conducted himself. We're not cultists as you condescendingly suggest.
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    • Author by foghornleghorn (April 26, 2008 10:42 am ET)
         

      when McCain travels to Selma for a photo-op...

      The Daily Show had a great shot of McCain speaking at Selma and his listeners were 100% WHITE!

      Ahh, the party of inclusion.

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      • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 26, 2008 11:31 am ET)
           
        i didn't see it, but assuming arguendo that you are correct, what were they supposed to do, send out a posse to round up some blacks to satisfy you?  do you honestly think they had a whites only sign at the entrance?
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        • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (April 26, 2008 12:32 pm ET)
             
          did Fog say something about "a sign at the entrance"?
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          • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 26, 2008 12:49 pm ET)
               
            no, he made a snide comment about the party of inclusion, implying that they were excluding blacks.  elsewise, why would he have worded his comment the way he did.
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            • Author by foghornleghorn (April 26, 2008 3:47 pm ET)
                 

              Hey, it was probably free and open to the public, which is definitely an improvement over our Fearless Leader where nary a dissenting view can be seen or heard.  

              But when the faces in the crowd are all lily white in Selma speaks louder than Gramps' flip-flops.  Probably because Selma is 70% black!  And this was at a "race-relations" rally, no less.

              That's why I said the Republican party is the party of inclusion - as long as you are rich and white.

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            • Author by solon (April 27, 2008 8:02 pm ET)
                 
              Party of inclusion HA, would that be the GOP? The party whose head, Ken Melmen appologized for using the racist Southern Strategy? As satire that was fair. As reality its a good joke.
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      • Author by steeve (April 27, 2008 6:28 pm ET)
           

        There shouldn't be any white people there either.

        (almost) Any white republican is voting against their own interests as surely as a black republican.

        Everyone who voted for Bush had something factually untrue as their primary reason.  (With precious few exceptions, like military contractors.  Even billionaires are better off under democrats.)

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (April 26, 2008 12:38 pm ET)
         

      A few welcoming smiles can do wonders to draw people into your group.

      Fearful people don't give off that friendly vibe that produces that kind of smile. More of a grimace. which tends to keep people at a distence, if they're not part of the group.

      The GOP puts out a little eyewash on racial equity and howls if it is not accepted as the real thing. They play to the angry deluded white population for the advantage of a corporate (and largly white) power structure. They're welcome to try to equally delude the non caucasion population, they work here is dillitory so far.

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    • Author by bunnygit (April 26, 2008 2:42 pm ET)
         

      McCain gets a free pass .

      You will never hear the media report about John McCain's illegitemet son Homer or his mischievous grandson Bart .

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      • Author by hogprint (April 28, 2008 11:06 am ET)
           
        OK...then LINK us up Bunny!  Credible sources only! 
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 28, 2008 11:18 am ET)
             

          Once again, the joke sails right over Hog's head.

          Not hard to do when one has sunk to the level of the Hog. 

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          • Author by hogprint (April 28, 2008 12:28 pm ET)
               

            Refer to the exclamation points easy...

            I guess I should have put the little "smiley" face so you would understand.  ;)

             

            Here is some interesting reading for you:  

            http://www.recreate68.org/

            Burn baby burn, it's gonna be a disco inferno!   

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            • Author by solon (April 28, 2008 5:51 pm ET)
                 
              That is just stupid. Since what happened in 68 was basically a POLICE RIOT which is what the Attorney General called it. Only if the Denver police go all Nazi would there be ANY reenactment of 68. Stupid propaganda stupidly repeated.
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    • Author by watadoo (April 28, 2008 11:56 am ET)
         
      MCains fakey attempts to squelch the not yet appearing ad should be the focal point of Obama's reaction. "If McCain can't control members of his own party, how does he expect to effectively govern and lead? 
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