"Media Matters"; by Jamison Foser
The media render the RNC obsolete
When Bob Dole wrapped up the Republican nomination in 1996, he bumped up against the limits on campaign spending by which candidates who take public financing agree to abide. Dole's situation was the subject of significant media attention, meaning that even if he was inclined to simply ignore the limits and hope to escape significant legal penalties, it would have been politically difficult to do so -- he would have been plagued by news reports that he was breaking the law. So Dole turned to the Republican National Committee to carry him to the Republican convention, when he received his general election funding.
Dole's predicament has a contemporary analogue -- to an extent. Like Dole, John McCain has wrapped up the GOP presidential nomination well in advance of the party's convention. Like Dole, McCain has reached the primary spending caps and may be breaking the law with each additional dollar he spends. (McCain's campaign asserts that he is not breaking the law because he opted out of the public finance system after first opting in. Federal Election Commission chairman David Mason disagrees.)
But that's where the similarities end. Things are a little easier if your name is John McCain -- after all, who needs the RNC when you have MSNBC?
As Media Matters has repeatedly documented, the media have largely given McCain a pass on his possible law-breaking -- and even continue to tout him as a paragon of campaign finance virtue. Needless to say, when McCain travels to Selma for a photo-op, the media don't point out that he is likely breaking campaign finance law by doing so. McCain is thus free to continue campaigning full steam ahead in a way Dole was not.
But even if McCain were to slow his spending, he would hardly need the RNC to carry him -- not when the media are carrying his water.
Last week, Politico reported that John McCain has an "unorthodox strategy" to capture the presidency -- he "will rely on free media to an unprecedented degree to get out his message."
Interesting word, "rely" -- the American Heritage Dictionary defines it not only as "to be dependent for support, help, or supply," but also as "to place or have faith or confidence."
Planning a presidential campaign around confidence that the news media will get your message out for you might ordinarily be considered a risky gambit. But the media wasted no time in establishing that McCain's faith will be rewarded. Just look at the past week.
Last Friday, McCain released his tax filings -- sort of. Not that there was any great media pressure on him to do so; while hounding Hillary Clinton to release her tax filings, the media ignored the fact that McCain had not released his -- some even falsely claimed that he had already done so. Even after Clinton released hers, the media showed no interest in whether McCain would do likewise. So when McCain finally released an extremely limited portion of his filings -- he released only those from the past two years, and only his, not his wife, Cindy's -- it came as no surprise that the media neither dug in with the appetite they brought to Clinton's taxes nor demanded more.
The media even bought the McCain campaign's bogus claim that John Kerry's 2004 campaign provided a precedent for McCain to keep Cindy's taxes secret. While the Kerry campaign did not release Teresa Heinz Kerry's complete tax filings, it did release summary pages that showed, for example, her total income, which allowed The New York Times to analyze how much she benefited from the Bush tax cuts. John McCain once said those tax cuts unfairly benefit the wealthy; he and his wife are spectacularly wealthy, and McCain now supports those tax cuts -- but we have no way of knowing how much money they save John and Cindy McCain. And the media don't care.
Remember: Cindy McCain once was investment partners with Charles Keating, around the time McCain was breaking ethics rules by taking free flights on Keating's jet and being reprimanded by the Senate Ethics Committee after urging regulators to go easy on Keating's savings and loan. Yet the news media are content to assume that McCain is now clean as a whistle; no need to scrutinize his finances the way they scrutinize Clinton's and Barack Obama's. (On MSNBC in February, Time magazine's Rick Stengel asserted that "McCain is so pure on this issue, ever since the Keating Five when he saw the light. ... McCain has toed the line about lobbyists, about campaign fundraising." How would Stengel know, if he and his fellow journalists refuse to actually examine McCain's conduct rather than simply asserting his purity?)
On Tuesday, The New York Times ran what should have served as a reminder to other media outlets that stipulating to McCain's purity is not journalism, it is cheerleading. The Times revealed that McCain helped Donald Diamond, one of his biggest fundraisers, purchase a stretch of California coastal land from the Pentagon -- a purchase that netted Diamond a $20 million profit. Diamond explained: "I think that is what Congress people are supposed to do for constituents. ... When you have a big, significant businessman like myself, why wouldn't you want to help move things along? What else would they do? They waste so much time with legislation."
Rather than jumping on the Times report, as they have with stories about Clinton and Obama donors, the rest of the media politely averted their eyes. A Nexis search finds only a handful of news reports about McCain and Diamond since the Times story ran: a UPI article, an article in The Monterey County Herald, and a few blog posts.
Instead of asking questions about McCain's limited release of his tax filings or his relationship with Diamond, many in the media have been busy running his positive branding campaign for him.
At The Washington Post, purportedly liberal columnist Richard Cohen declares McCain's dishonesty "understandable" and insists he is "an honorable man" anyway. (Cohen isn't so kind to Hillary Clinton; her alleged dishonesty renders her "incapable of doing an essential part of the job" of president, according to Cohen.)
Cohen's colleague David Broder, meanwhile, says of McCain, "In an age of deep cynicism about politicians of both parties, McCain is the rare exception who is not assumed to be willing to sacrifice personal credibility to prevail in any contest." Broder's use of the passive voice allowed him to avoid saying who assumes this of McCain, but it's pretty clear that the answer is "David Broder." The question then becomes why David Broder would assume this, as Bob Borosage and Steve Benen and Kevin Drum and Bob Somerby have explained. Just this morning, a Washington Post editorial devoted 50 words to asserting that McCain's tax and spending plans are less clear and less fiscally responsible than Clinton's and Obama's -- and 592 words to criticizing the Democrats' plans.
Television news wasn't any better. On MSNBC, David Gregory told viewers that "the Republicans, I think, were smart to nominate John McCain because he's not your average Republican. And he's got a pretty strong brand identity as being a maverick and being anti-politics and anti-Washington. He's got a lot of cards to play here." (Gregory didn't mention that McCain got that "brand identity" largely because reporters keep calling him a maverick and asserting that he is "anti-politics and anti-Washington" while ignoring stories about him doing favors for donors. Must have slipped his mind.) And on CNN, Wolf Blitzer and Gloria Borger engaged in what one can only assume was a contest to see who could cram the most favorable descriptions of McCain into a single sentence.
But nowhere was the media's assistance of McCain (intentional or otherwise) more apparent than during MSNBC's coverage of two new right-wing advertisements attacking Barack Obama.
This week, the North Carolina Republican Party unveiled an ad attacking Obama. Despite the fact that the ad is not yet running on television, television news outlets quickly began giving the state party free national airtime by playing the ad over and over. Which, of course, is precisely what the North Carolina Republican Party wanted -- you don't release an ad that is not yet running if you don't want television news to play it over and over again.
That isn't particularly unusual -- campaigns, party committees, and other organizations frequently release ads that will see little or no actual airtime in hopes that television news programs will play them for free. And the news media often play along (though they don't do so consistently: How often have you seen news reports play recent ads critical of McCain?)
The twist in coverage of the North Carolina GOP ad is that while running the ad over and over again, media figures hyped McCain's purported efforts to stop the ad. McCain thus got the benefit of television news programs repeatedly playing an ad critical of his potential opponent, while also benefiting from those same news programs portraying him as a good and noble person opposed to ugly campaign tactics like those on display in the ad.
On NBC's Nightly News, for example, Andrea Mitchell played a portion of the ad, then announced, "John McCain immediately demanded that the North Carolina Republicans kill the ad." Earlier in the day, Mitchell said on MSNBC that McCain was "obviously taking a very strong stand" against the ad.
But McCain's "very strong stand" turns out to have been something else entirely. McCain said in a letter released to the media and purportedly sent to the state party that he is "committed to running a respectful campaign based upon an honest debate. ... The television advertisement you are planning to air degrades our civics and distracts us from the very real differences we have with the Democrats. ... [W]e need not engage in political tactics that only seek to divide the American people. ... [I]t is imperative that you withdraw this offensive advertisement."
And ... that's it. John McCain's "very strong stand" against the ad consisted of a sternly worded letter.
McCain later told a campaign audience that "all I can do is publicly state that that is not in keeping with the tradition of the party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Ronald Reagan, and I will bring every pressure to bear that I can to stop it."
But the simple fact is that John McCain could stop the North Carolina Republican Party from running the ad in a heartbeat, if he really wanted to. As the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, he holds enormous leverage over pretty much every Republican on the planet. There are countless ways he could exercise that leverage to prevent the ad from running. He could tell the state party that if it runs the ad, he will not campaign for North Carolina Republicans. He could tell the party that if it runs the ad, he will endorse Democrats running for office in North Carolina. He could tell them that if they run the ad, he will do everything he can to reduce the number of delegates North Carolina has at future Republican conventions.
McCain could do any of those things or countless others. And he would, if he truly believed it is "imperative" that the ad not run. He would, if he was telling the truth when he said he would "bring every pressure to bear that I can to stop it."
On Thursday, MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell interviewed RNC chairman Mike Duncan, who also claims to want the North Carolina GOP to drop the ad. O'Donnell let Duncan repeatedly claim he and McCain oppose the ad without asking Duncan a single question about whether either the RNC or McCain would actually do anything about it.
On Friday's Today show, McCain insisted, "I've done everything that I can to repudiate and to see that this kind of campaigning does not continue." On Good Morning America on Friday, McCain insisted, "I'll do everything in my power to make sure not only they stop it but that kind of leadership is rejected." On neither program was McCain asked if he would actually do anything to force the state party to drop the ad, other than complain about it. He wasn't asked if he has conveyed to the state party that there will be consequences for their decision to run the ad. He was simply allowed to assert that he's done "everything that I can" to stop it -- though this plainly isn't true. North Carolina Republican Party chairwoman Linda Daves says she hasn't had a conversation with McCain about the ad. It seems a pretty safe assumption that John McCain is capable of getting the chair of the North Carolina state party on the phone if he really wants to.
While MSNBC and other media outlets fell all over themselves giving McCain credit for opposing the ad, National Review Online's Jim Geraghty took a less credulous approach:
I'm hearing a great deal of complaints [from conservatives] about John McCain's disavowal and disapproval of a North Carolina GOP ad.
[...]
Does no one else see what's going on here?
How many other North Carolina Republican Party ads have you heard about this year? Last year? The year before that?
By criticizing the ad, McCain turned it into a national story, which means the ad is likely to be replayed on the cable networks and linked on YouTube and discussed on the talk shows and talk radio and written about in newspapers and magazines. This ad has 76,000 views on YouTube already, and it was posted online Tuesday.
And McCain gets to take the high road, saying he doesn't want to see negative campaigning done on his behalf.
You know the "mainstream" media is in the tank for John McCain when even the conservative National Review is less likely to take his claims at face value than the likes of NBC and ABC are.
It simply isn't plausible that nobody at ABC or NBC News can think of a single way McCain or Duncan might be able to pressure the North Carolina Republican Party to dump this ad if they really didn't want it to run. The only other possibility is that they do recognize the obvious fact that McCain could do more to stop the ad if he really thought it is "imperative" that it be stopped -- but that they are unwilling to say so and prefer to let McCain have his cake and eat it, too. Worse, they behave as though it is their role to spoon-feed it to him.
The upshot of all of this is that an attack ad produced by the North Carolina Republican Party got nearly nonstop (free) airtime on television news for multiple days to John McCain's presumed benefit, and those same news reports obediently reported that McCain himself is a swell guy who disapproves of such harsh tactics -- without bothering to note that he hadn't actually done anything to stop the ad.
And this is becoming a pattern, as Media Matters has documented: John McCain gets great press for making what increasingly seem to be empty promises to run a respectful campaign; people connected to his campaign engage in the kind of politics he decries; and the cycle repeats itself over and over again.
And then there's Floyd Brown's latest effort. The far-right hatchet man responsible for the Willie Horton ad in 1988 recently unveiled an attack ad aimed at Barack Obama -- an ad that Brown has not actually purchased any airtime for. Then again, maybe he doesn't have to -- not when MSNBC is willing to run it for free.
When MSNBC aired the ad during Thursday's edition of MSNBC Live, anchor Contessa Brewer noted: "Well, here's the catch: Brown does not have a single ad buy in any TV market. Instead of paying for airtime, he just announces this in a press release for outlets like YouTube to pick up."
Or like, perhaps ... MSNBC?
(YouTube, by the way, isn't an "outlet" that "picks up" video; it is a website to which anyone can post their own videos. MSNBC is an outlet that picks up, and airs for free, right-wing attack ads.)
Brewer then asked, "[I]s this a new way to get your ad covered without buying any time?"
No, in fact, it's an age-old and incredibly well-known way to get your ad covered without buying any time, as any journalist or political operative should know. And Brewer and MSNBC fell for it -- or chose to go along with it.
How old? How well-known? The makers of what may be the two most famous political advertisements in American history employed this very tactic. In 1964, Lyndon Johnson's campaign paid for the "Daisy Ad" to air only one time -- but millions more people saw it when the three networks played the ad as part of their news broadcasts. And the Willie Horton ad -- for which Floyd Brown was partially responsible -- aired on cable television in only two New England markets before gaining a wider audience via the news media.
And so, because MSNBC was taken in by the oldest trick in the book (or pretends to have been), an anti-Obama attack ad that is airing nowhere gets a national television audience.
Who needs the RNC when you have MSNBC?
















-- He could tell the party that if it runs the ad, he will endorse Democrats running for office in North Carolina. -- Jamison "Don Quixote" Foser
That statement brings a side-splitting roar of laughter.
This ad is about the North Carolina governor's race and not about McCain. They have every right and responsibility to try to get North Carolina voters to elect a republican governor.
-- This ad opposes two Democrat candidates for Governor in North Carolina. It poses a legitimate question about judgment for which the people of North Carolina deserve an answer. -- Linda Daves North Carolina Republican Chairman.
McCain didn't like the ad...and said so. It's not his duty to run the state politics in NC.
But hey, here's an inversion of Repub talking points for you, if McCain has no suction with the NC RNC, how can we expect him to deal with foreign leaders? Stupid question isn't it? I stole it from one of your ignorant conservative troll buddies.
Here's a valid question though. If he can't reel in these attack dogs in NC, how's he going to lead us to better future? How's he going to appease the swing voters with bi-partisanship if he can't even quell the partisans in is own Party?
Anyway. You're pathetic wes as are most of you Republicans. You cons need to slink away with what little dignity y'all have left. You guys have no credibility. You have proven that people who disdain government cannot be trusted to run government.
McCain didn't have to say it was imperative that the ad not run, or that he would do everything he can to stop it. But he did say that, and MMFA (but not the media of course) will justifiably roast him over it.
For an amusing side note, remember when republicans used to not like McCain, and expressed it in the strongest, most irreversable terms? What a bunch of flip floppers. Apparently they're terrified that we might get a repeat of the 90s if a democrat wins, which...I guess...would be bad for some reason or other.
Solon, how many times have you posted that exact same phrase? I'm not knocking you, I'm just saying it seems you have to post that at least once every other day. You should save yourself some time and put that on your desktop so you can just place it in here whenever any righty says "Democrat Party" :)
I admire you fella's crusade...here's a little more help for you:
-- Ayesha Nariman, a 2002 Democrat candidate for Congress in New York -- mmfa
-- "I think it is extremely important for the Vermont Democratic Party to put up a Democrat candidate in the gubernatorial race," -- State Sen. John Campbell, D-Windsor and Senate majority leader
-- Typically, this far into the primaries, the remaining Democrat candidate goes after the Republican. -- Keith Olbermann
-- I have been blogging for a while now about Heather Ryan, the Democrat candidate for Congress in Kentucky's First Congressional District this fall...She is a young, smart, compassionate wife and mother and could be a rising star in our party -- RDemocrat, dailykos
- I have now been called to serve God and my country as the true democrat candidate for the Presidency -- John Joseph Kennedy - registered write-in candidate for President in 2004
-- Welcome to the official web site of the Barbara Bobo for Congress Campaign. Barbara is the Democrat candidate for the House of Representatives in Alabama's Fourth District
-- My name is Diane Kastner and I am a Democrat candidate for our District 21 House of Reps (South Dakota) --
-- Renee Lobo, Democrat candidate for the 24th New York City Council District -- renelobo.com
For a little added spice:
-- Party leaders, superdelegates, not the pledged kind selected by the voters rearing up and taking command of the Democrat Party. -- Keith Olbermann
-- And our fifth story in the COUNTDOWN, the Democrat Party, not to mention the American democracy, should be all the better for it. -- Keith Olbermann
There is no charge or thanks necessary for the info...I was just loafing around this morning and decided to pitch in and help with your crusade.
But I did appreciate the psycho-analysis session and I left 50 cents with your receptionist.
Lol...........nice
Mary- you could google all of the quotes wesley offered here yourself, but I'll help you with a few of them.
OLBERMANN: Typically, this far into the primaries, the remaining Democrat candidate goes after the Republican. http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/24159697/
Scroll down to his interview with Joe Biden.
KEITH OLBERMANN, MSNBC ANCHOR: And our fifth story in the COUNTDOWN, the Democrat Party, not to mention the American democracy, should be all the better for it. The candidates finding more common ground than engaging in verbal fisticuffs with each other. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22955035/
You'll find it during Olbermann's intro.
I guess this means solon thinks Olbermann is a moron. Finally something we can agree on.
So, all those people made errors. On accident, because they didn't know any better, likely.
You made the same error. On purpose, even after you've been schooled that it's wrong
How does it validate you making that purpseful smear to show that others have made an error? It doesn't.
The CON party...
Please repeat 5 million times.
Con party, Con party, Con party, Con party, Con party, Con party............
constipated, convoluted, convicted, con-job,
How about RepubliCON party. The party that has CONtempt for the rule of law.
Count me in on the crusade for the misuse of democrat...
From now on you shall be know as DEMORATS! :)
Of course you know I jest! ;)
This ad is about the North Carolina governor's race and not about McCain. They have every right and responsibility to try to get North Carolina voters to elect a republican governor.
That statement brings a side-splitting roar of laughter. If the ad was ONLY about the NC governor’s race WHY mention a DEMOCRATIC Presidential candidate?
This ad opposes two Democrat candidates for Governor in North Carolina. It poses a legitimate question about judgment for which the people of North Carolina deserve an answer. -- Linda Daves North Carolina Republican Chairman.
Judgement? So they error in judgement by endorsing a Presidential candidate? Are they voting for President? I thought this was about electing a governor for the state of North Carolina.
McCain didn't like the ad...and said so. It's not his duty to run the state politics in NC.
Bullsh*t It became a win win situation for Republicans. McCain APPEARS to take the high road, of course causing a media event in which the ad MUST be shown. The NC GOP tell McCain to take a hike again causing a REPLAY of the ad and making McCain look like he’s not the pawn of the Bush administration ONLY we all know he is.
Great post Pearlene, I'm an NC resident as well. I've seen that ad at least 3 times, and I don't even watch the nightly news. That ad is a direct shot at Obama for the NC primary.
P.S. Where are you from? I'm living in South Durham right now.
So let me understand Pearl. If McCain says nothing, you would attack him as supporting the add. If he says he does not like the add....you again attack him. And Kerry still wonders why people laughed at him for voting for the bill, before he voted against it. The Democrats.........yes Solon...the Democrats..........I see no candidated with a P after their name.....the Democrats talk out of both sides of their mouth like this all the time....and then wonder......why oh why do we lose. Kind of like HC in favor of a drivers licence for illegals......but not realy.....and BO supporting his crazy uncle Wright......but not really.
You democrats really make it to easy.
I'm not sure why you think your Kerry comment had anything to do with your first point about McCain. It doesn't. It is pretty obvious that you don't understand the free pass McCain is getting here. He gets to play the disapproving statesmen while the attack dog party members get negative and roll around in the dirt. Yep, politicians do this all the time, but these days the dirtier the ad, the more it will get airtime...insane amounts of airtime...you think McCain doesn't know this?????
So you only notice when Democrats equivocate, eh? MM has numerous articles noticing McCain's flip flops which are far more glaring than anything Kerry, Clinton or Obama have done. Totally reversing positions on Choice, foreign interventions, "agents of intolerance", etc. By the way, as it has been explained one zillion times, Kerry voted for a version of the bill that would have actually offset the expense of the authorization instead of putting it on the taxpayer credit card. But I guess you like the "Borrow and spend" aspect that the Republicans have been using for the past 28 years.
Mary
My point about the Kerry comment is that the dems demand having it both ways. McCain did not run this add, yet nothing he does makes you happy. He cant condem it or support it. That is the tie into to kerry and the flip flop reputation.
In any event, we all knew this was coming. The Wright issue will be used all through the campaign. It has been used by HC in the debates and in speeches, and will continue to be used. When you have a high profile racist like Wright, it will be used over and over again.
Your other comment doesn't deserve a reply.
" Like the prophets of the Bible, and Jesus himself, who called out the moral failings of the powerful, King took America to task for racism and poverty, Moss said. Grasping the connection with their own embattled senior pastor, the congregation exploded in shouts of "Tell it!" and "Make it plain!"
For many black churchgoers, the attack on Wright is an assault on how they choose to worship. Though the black church is not without its flaws and shortcomings--on more than one occasion, Wright has called out the behavior of other black ministers, and the rise of prosperity teachings has cut into the tradition of afflicting the comfortable--it has endured as a powerful cultural and social institution because it is needed. As long as racism exists, the church provides a sanctuary for many black folks. "
The Nation
No it isnt. You cannot show Wright is a racist. He is NOT a racist just because you keep repeating he is and your delusions do NOT define reality.
No Matter how many examples I give you Solon, you, and Mary, and Pearl always refuse to address them. You come back sand say he is not racist, because the black church supports him. I dont care. He is a racist, he is a scam artist, he is a swindler, and he is no Dr. King. He has made millions off of his scams, and he will retire in comfort. The poor black neighborhoods are still there, and he can still call on God to Damn America, but he is part of the elite that likes things just the way they are.
rtwmd1230
Tell me rtwmd1230, why did you support sadam in the murder, rape, and mass killing of his own people? We have already discussed on another thread that in your view, only those on the front lines of WWII could be against nazi germany, but why do you still support the slaughter of the innocent. I wish you would answer, but I understand you do not have the testicles to do so.
I truly want to know, how do you, and others who feel like you that the invasion on Iraq was a just and noble interprise, explain your refusal to enlist in the armed services.
rtwmd1230
And again, you refuse to address my points. You assume all thos who support the war would even be able to join. I would not qualify for service first and formost based on age. Second, based upon a number of surgeries, I would not qualify. Does that mean that I can not beleive that Sadam was evil, responsible for the death of thousands if not millions, and had to be removed?
Your position can not be supported. Millions of Americans have supported wars in which they could not, or did not fight in. Many of your far left liberal loonies are proud of dodging the draft, and one of them served as president. The same one who let sadam go by the way. Other brag of bombing buildings and wish they could have killed more.
So i ask you....again.....for the third time.......why did you support the evil that was Sadam, and why do you think it was wrong to remove him???
You continue to attack me for positions I have never supported, either on MMFA OR in my private life.
Engaging in war is the most awesome and horrible act a nation can do. If we feel it is justified, we MUST accept the resulting pain and suffering, both for ourselves and for our family members. This is where so many of us feel that the "chickenhawks" of this administration are behaving a manner that is despicable.
Yes, Sadaam was a truly evil man. So were Josef Stalin. Mao Tse-Tung, Suharto, Idi Aminn, and many others. Many of them were allies of the United States. I do not feel it was our responsibility to invade their countries and forcibly remove them from power. Many of us wonder why we feel we have that right in Iraq.
Pearlene has clearly replied to your post in that, at the time we invaded Iraq, Sadaams' acts of cruelty were not given as the reason for our actions.
rtwmd1230
you said...."Pearlene has clearly replied to your post in that, at the time we invaded Iraq, Sadaams' acts of cruelty were not given as the reason for our actions"
Explain to me why that matters. They were real, and they did happen. Neither I,nor you, nor anyone who posts here knows what was in Bush's heart or mind whem he made the decision to go to war. But the things that I mention were true, and for that reason alone the war was justified.
You also said...."I do not feel it was our responsibility to invade their countries and forcibly remove them from power. Many of us wonder why we feel we have that right in Iraq."
I for one feel that we do have the right, duty, and obligation to stop the murder of millions. I know it is easy to find examples where we have not done so, but that does not make it right.
You also seem to have certian assumptions when you talk to conseratives. You seem to assume, almost without exception that we all love war, cant wait to see people die, and will stop at nothing to find the next war. Of course war is horrible as you say. Of course we all wish we could avoid it. But that is not always the case.
Think about this....if we knew.......and I mean really knew........zero room for doubt..that iran had a nuclear weapon.....would you support war to stop the threat. Would you support an invasion to protect us, and to protect israel?
You believe that war is horrible, and perhaps evil. I would not diasgree with that. But the fact is that many in the world, and many in the middle east do not share that view. if the war in Iraq saved tens of thousands of Iraqi's, gave us a presence in the middle east, and made us safer, than I for one say it was worth it. I know most americans are against the war. How much do you want to bet that another attack on american soil.......which we have not had........would change those number around over night?
But, seriously, wouldn't that mean that we should invade EVERY country where the government is cruel and muderous (i.e.,China, Russia, Zimbawe, Saudi Arabia, et. al.)?
I for one feel that we do have the right, duty, and obligation to stop the murder of millions.
Then I guess you're for a national health care system, one that would help eliminate more than 100,000 deaths a year.
No, probably not. Because Rush tells you that's socialism.
Tell me rtwmd1230, why did you support sadam in the murder, rape, and mass killing of his own people?
You mean the way Donald Rumsfeld did right after it happened? Do you know what the Republican Administration's response to this heinous crime was (and it was a heinous crime)?
They sent Rumsfeld to Iraq to shake Sadaam's hand, and to sell him more of the same type of poison gas and the helicopters used to deploy it.
Why do you always choose stupidity over knowledge?
Solon
What color is the sky where you live. When you claim a govt set out to kill only one race...and it is false...it is a racist statment. Are you really to blinded by the partisan left wing hate america crowd that you can not see that? When you refer the the United States of KKK America, that is racist. You refuse to address those points, and by refusing to address them on a national, the Democrats (which you dont believe exist) are losing voters. You never had my vote, but many of my moderate and and left wing friends whill not vote for BO over this issue. Loose the center....and lose the election.
Solon
I will go slow for you....you have to be one of the dumbest people here. If aids was designed to kill people, it would have been made in the 70's. Now....lets see.......most high ranking govt people in the 70's were white. So.....pay attention you poor excuse for a dumb a$$......if a bunch of white people....created a virus........to kill black people....can you really say that was not a racist act?. Do you need me to talk slower?? Do you need some one to read this to you??
Ok.....still with me. Had that happened, it would have been racist.......but it did not. Wright was lying.......get it.....not true.......did not happen.......it was a racist statement.
Still there skippy......I notice you did not mention the United States of KKK that Wright said. Why Solon......no liberal lie good enough to cover that up. You are so dumb that people with an IQ of 35 seek you out to feel smart. You are the reason they have to put signs in the mens room that say please dont eat the big white mints above the urinal.
I was never for abortion in my life, but had I met your mother, I may have changed my mind.
Solon
I am sending you a dictionary, and my Holt Handbook from college writing class. Wow....you need it. And, I am sorry. College is a place where smart people go. I know you have probably never seen one, let alone been on a college campus.
Let me talk so you can understand. Solon dumb. He not understand. Wright = racist, Solon = Patrick from Sponge Bob.
You are so dumb, so beyond help, you have more issues than NewsWeek.
My only hope, the only hope of humanity as a whole is that you not reproduce. The mere fact that your parents had kids proves that there is no lifeguard at the gene pool. Perhaps we should have made them get a license and forget about the illegal immigrants.
And finally, the stupidest person you know........the one you had read my last post..........if you take the mirror down.......the bad man will go away.
that was a rant to remember.
There is hope for yet......not much.....but a little.
you said..........It cannot POSSIBLY be unless you equate the white race WITH our government.
If you had read.......I know reading is hard for you........but if you had read my post.that is exactly what I said.
Obviously Black people were the targets of racism; your attempt to claim the opposite is just ridiculous. I doubt that you were ever denied a job or an apartment because of your race; or followed around a store, or stopped by the police because of your race. You were probably not taunted or worse when you were a child because of your race. You don't have any kind of understanding of what that would be like and instead try to target a man who has experienced all of it.
The fact is, you target him because he is a strong and forceful preacher who doesn't fit your comfortable ideas. He moves his congregation to community service. They have identified with the black community just as their are Korean Christian churches, Russian Orthodox, etc. but welcome people of all races into their church. "by their fruits ye shall know them."
Mary
And why is it weak....because you dont like it? That is weak. The fact remains that I am right abut that. And had the govt done that, it would have been a racist thing to do. Your protest does not change that. It does not change the fact that Wright is wrong, and a racist.
In the sanctuary these days, there are many new white faces--a professor and his sociology students from a local university, teenagers from a church in a small rural town between Chicago and Wisconsin. These visitors are friends and supporters for whom the media controversy has inspired a journey of understanding. On a recent Sunday, Moss warned them that Trinity is a "hugging" church, and when the congregation paused from the service to greet one another, the visitors were swept into Trinity's collective embrace. Their presence is treated like the rainbow sign God sent Noah after the Flood.
But the most powerful response to the media storm surrounding Trinity is in the Sunday morning worship services. The choir sings as if attempting to pierce heaven. A wave of emotion washes over the singers, whose shouts of "Thank you, Lord!" are matched by those of the congregation, which sways side to side. The pastor's voice is as sturdy as God's trombone when he compares King to Joseph in the Old Testament, two men who suffered in this life because they dreamed of a better world. And in a display of the call-and-response tradition of the black church at its best, when Reverend Moss says, "What man meant for evil," the congregation, without a pause, replies, "God meant for good."
Also from The Nation article.
hmmm... unless you meant reverend Wright in your last post. THEN the rebuttal would be 'Have all the OTHERS you know who 'think' he's a racist cough up some concrete examples. Please do so...
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p.s. I just LOVE how you play the underdog role. When are you going to show your powers? Episode/Comment 1107? Just wondering... let me know! Thanks!
Mr L.
Sorry, but no. Solon will not even agree that what is said was racist.
Sorry, but no. Solon will not even agree that what is said was racist.
Nor should he. What was said wasn't racist. However, what you post is frequently illogical and ignorant.
Yes. I have one to prove. YOU sadly are so astonishingly stupid that all you prove is you are incapable of higher brain function entirely. MOSS makse more sense than you but hey, dont get down on yourself just because you are dumber than coffee grounds, you do provide amusement. Laughing at your stupidity is good for those of us that actually CAN think. One day perhaps you will be able to recognize actual logic and extrapolation. Sadly it is clear performing the act will ever be far out of your reach.
Yet so many people agree with me that what he said as racist.
Popularity of opinion is not related to accuracy of opinion.
I don't think you realize how thick you appear with your feeble talking point and no evidence.
Mary
Next you will tell me he is not a racist, because he has white friends. The double standard used by the dems is amazing.
Again, you have provided no evidence. You don't know the man personally; yet you feel qualified to pass judgment on his heart and mind. He has spent a lifetime OVERCOMING RACISM and he refuses to submit to it. That's why the Hannitys of this world try to demonize him.
What he did was sell out!!
Next you will tell me he is not a racist, because he has white friends.
I still believe you're ignorant, although you associate with well-informed people here.
You democrats really make it to(sic) easy.- pointofview
Stawmen are designed to be easy. You should try talking about some actual facts sometime if you'd like to challenge yourself.
And Kerry still wonders why people laughed at him for voting for the bill, before he voted against it.
Because they're ignorant like you. That's the main reason. They don't know there were two separate versions of the bill, with different funding sources. Now that you know, will you continue saying the same thing over and over again?
Ignorance can be cured. Stupidity is forever.
Your choice.
Democratic party in NC should respond immediately...
The DNC and Obama camp should pony up the money to immediately respond. Roundhouse has an excellent idea. Link McCain to the filth.
With a little effort, this conservative filth can be turned on the Cons themselves.
All Hail The Mighty J...
More and more, the ball-chasing puppies of the MSM act like the civilization of furry little critters living in the locker room of Grand Central in MIB II.
Goooood Puhhh-peeees!
The McCain "free passes" will come to an end once the democratic nominee is in place. If the DNC is doing it's job, they are already preparing for their own exposures of McCain once the GE begins.
I think that the country is so certain the next president is going to be a democrat that this primary underway is of far more importance to the general public. But, as long as we're worried about what the media isn't doing to McCain, I guess we don't have to address the horrifying way they are treating Hillary Clinton and the great, HUGE list of excuses the media is ready to give Obama for every dreadful thing he says or does. He is running the dirtiest democratic race ever, and the media is helping him put that label on the other side.
For ALL those months where he and his supporters were screaming for Clinton's tax returns, Obama also had not released his own.
The media needs to start pushing the truth of what the DNC is doing to this primary, the favor they are showing Obama, and the FACT that he is in no better a position to win this nomination than Clinton is right now. The DNC is refusing to allow the vote count in FL and MI, which were NOT off the table in the punishment for early voting, and the Superdelegates who should still be seated in full....where is the media report on all this?!
So I agree with your first paragraph. McCain has way too many flaws as a conservative to win the presidency.
But you have to wake up to the facts. If Obama wins one state, and this was before PA even, but if he wins one state, there is no mathematical way that Clinton can have more pledged delegates when the convention comes. And on top of that, Obama's continuous gain in super-delegates is leaving fewer and fewer for Clinton to take and overcome the nomination. And I will defy you to find one Obama campaign directive that has not been truthful during this process.
So one question for you. If Obama is the Democratic nominee, will you vote for him?
If Obama can't get the votes, then how will he be the nominee?
I guess he doesn't need them. The rules are different for him, eh?
I know one thing-- if Obama had won both Florida and Michigan instead of Clinton, and Clinton people were trying to block the votes, the media would be all over them.
Instead, they ignore it and act like it didn't happen, or accuse Hillary of skullduggery for winning those states!
I know another thing-- if those votes are not counted somehow, all hell is going to break loose with Hillary supporters at the Convention. As well it should.
It's going to be fun to watch Obama supporters block votes, while at the same time trying to take the moral high ground. It won't work.
I guess he doesn't need them. The rules are different for him, eh?"
How are the rules different for Obama? Obama has a huge lead. If they go 50-50 in the next 7 contests, Obama wins. If they go 55-45 in favor of Clinton, Obama STILL wins in delegates. HILLARY is the one trying to change the rules in midgame. Florida and Michigan KNEW ahead of time that they were not going to be counted but they decided to do it anyway. It is their fault, not Obama's. If your child knowingly breaks a rule, do you reward them let them win anyway? Same thing.
Rojo said, "the FACT that he is in no better a position to win this nomination than Clinton is right now."
Rojo, your math skills are way off. Hillary needs to win 68% of the remaining delegates to catch Obama. She has not had that kind of win in any single contest. Of the last 88 superdelegates, 83 committed to Obama and FIVE committed to Clinton. It's over. She has become Mike Huckabee---staying in without any chance of winning the popular vote or delegate count. Her only hope is for the Supers to destroy the party and lose the African American vote for years to come.
'... McCain helped Donald Diamond, one of his biggest fundraisers, purchase a stretch of California coastal land from the Pentagon -- a purchase that netted Diamond a $20 million profit. Diamond explained: "I think that is what Congress people are supposed to do for constituents. ... When you have a big, significant businessman like myself, why wouldn't you want to help move things along? What else would they do? They waste so much time with legislation." '
big, significant businessman
This is what makes me laugh at the rank & file Republican voter, those working for a paycheck who, against all the facts, keep buying the GOP line of looking out for the average American.
I realize this isn't a quote from McCain himself, just an associate. But there are millions of Americans terrified of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, on video as telling America to be accountable for transgressions, and Bill Ayers, who rebelled against the Gov. 40 years ago.And they probably have no problem with, they probably don't even know about McCain's friends like Diamond, who expects his sponsorship of a candidate to help that candidate to ignore those insignificant Americans so he can pocket a quick 20 mil.
Thanks for the votes, suckers!
"Diamond's website doesn't mention any land in California"
-- I think it's safe to assume that this is land he'd rather keep "off the radar"
In California, the McCain aide’s assistance with the Army helped Mr. Diamond complete a purchase in 1999 that he soon turned over for a $20 million profit. And Mr. McCain’s letter of recommendation reinforced Mr. Diamond’s selling point about his McCain connections as he pursued — and won in 2005 — a potentially much more lucrative deal to develop a resort hotel and luxury housing. (NY Times)
You imbecile, of course his website didn't mention it. A website is only a collection of zeros and ones, digital bits that can't speak to you. No more than The Pentagon can buy something, or The White House can issue a press release.
Now go back to spotting typos and threatening people with dismemberment, and being thankful that the anonymity of the internet allows you to make a complete laughing-stock of yourself daily without suffering additional wedgies when you go back to school the following day.
bull, it never happened.
Well, I'm convinced. Your supremely logical retort, supported with reams of evidence and links to prove what you say, have convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt...
that you are one of the worst-informed trolls ever to frequent this site.
There are not enough thanks in the world to send your way for this WONDERFUL work. I, for one, am very greatful for your efforts.
To the thread - I really think the RNC, DNC, DLC(what ever) - all the political power players - will get what they have coming by using hate tactics - if and when they do. And McCain will be shown to be soooo alone during this campaign, it will hurt to watch. However,
My issue here, is MSNBC management and their programming decision to loop this crap for one entire day. The first time it was Anderson on CNN.
Jamison, you are helping to shape what our Political futures are going to be like - fast paced, slam messages, that arm bombing trolls to spam a candidate to victory. The mainstream needs to gear up, and team up to give the facts of the matter(s) - or they should shut up and not call their work "reporting" as a member of the press.
The First Amendment is there, first, for a reason - it covers what were thought to be THE most important aspects of The People's lives in the newly "United" States. MSNBC's performance this week might have caused the "Founding Fathers" to Ctrl+Alt+Delete the Press Program part... They (MSNBC) will shape up, but the management team there earned any and ALL the rath sent their way, and I thank you.
As Jamison stated the news media is attempting to manipulate the public to vote for McShame. On every talk show, on the infotainment programs, and in the corporate news media as well the pundits and reporters sound more like fans than journalists.
I do not believe that any of it is unintentional. The media are fully aware of who McShame is and they do not care. He is an opportunist and as an opportunist he will be a reliable tool for the ongoing attempted coup to overthrow the principles of a democratic republic and replace it with a neo-fascist capitalist state.
Many publishers and journalists have agreed to sell out the American people for privilege, status, access, and cash. They are betraying their integrity, if they ever had any, because doing so brings the rewards from the neo-fascists. The reason they haven't declared victory and proclaimed themselves as the ruling powers that be is that they have not been able to convince the Joint Chiefs to abandon their mission and aid them in a treasonous act against the people and the Constitution of the United States.
As far as these goons are concerned everything is going just grand. New Orleans' Ninth Ward has not been rebuilt, because they do not want it rebuilt unless it can be restored with entirely different owners and residents. Things have come to an abrupt halt in along the Southeastern coast, because the administration does not do a damn thing that does not benefit itself directly or indirectly.
A vote for John McShame is the equivalent of raising the white-flag of surrender to the neo-fascists. The people believe that McShame can be a reliable tool and repeat their talking points verbatim, better than George Bush could only dream. It is not that George Bush is stupid, it is that he uses stupidity as an excuse and a means of hiding his duplicitous nature. John McShame plays a similar game, though is role is somewhat different in that he must appear to be an elder statesment rather than the tool he is.
McShame will finally be able to face the Hensleys to tell them that yes, when he married their daughter it was because he was an opportunist, but as president he would be able to say that he is a damn good opportunist. Supposedly, proof of this would come on January 20, 2009. He will finally be able to say that she married him, because she knew that one day he would be president.
McShame's stand on the issues is all over the map, because he doesn't mean anything that he says and he knows that the news media will continue to betray the American people for him, because they are as self-absorbed as infants. Yes, whether one accepts this or not the truth is that only infants are as egocentric as the modern pundits. They use cynicism to disguise their immaturity, but immature, betraying, liars and cheats they are. Such behavior is a weakness that will eat the heart out of what it means to be an American. They should be, but are not, ashamed.
Personally I am a supporter of Hillary Clinton and if this ad does anything to wake up the Democratic Voters in North Carolina then I say GREAT.
You never come to her defense like you do with Obama, I wrote many letters at your behest. when this election started but I will not help you elect Barak Obama so play on.
If you really cared you would support that ad in North Carolina maybe those people acting like zombies might wake up.
Suddenly MSNBC AND CNN are unacceptable to you, why now, when the Golden Messiah has shown us what he is and that he is never going to beat the Republicans in a general Presidential election, why not help to elect the candidate who can beat John McCain, stop muddying the waters, and speak out about the incompetence of Nancy Pelosi.
Hell, why doesn't Hillary denounce the ad? That would be the right thing to do.
You're an idiot, Jolene Jamele
If MSNBC has finally seen the light and are no longer supporting your Messiah then perhaps I may go back to watching their shows.
They tried so hard to make Hillary Clinton unelectable, lying and ridiculing her and bragging about Obama's charm and power to make a persons legs tingle, they should be commended if as you say 'They have seen the light' I do find that hard to believe.
We would like a Democrat in the White House so wake up and let's support Hillary.
when McCain travels to Selma for a photo-op...
The Daily Show had a great shot of McCain speaking at Selma and his listeners were 100% WHITE!
Ahh, the party of inclusion.
Hey, it was probably free and open to the public, which is definitely an improvement over our Fearless Leader where nary a dissenting view can be seen or heard.
But when the faces in the crowd are all lily white in Selma speaks louder than Gramps' flip-flops. Probably because Selma is 70% black! And this was at a "race-relations" rally, no less.
That's why I said the Republican party is the party of inclusion - as long as you are rich and white.
There shouldn't be any white people there either.
(almost) Any white republican is voting against their own interests as surely as a black republican.
Everyone who voted for Bush had something factually untrue as their primary reason. (With precious few exceptions, like military contractors. Even billionaires are better off under democrats.)
A few welcoming smiles can do wonders to draw people into your group.
Fearful people don't give off that friendly vibe that produces that kind of smile. More of a grimace. which tends to keep people at a distence, if they're not part of the group.
The GOP puts out a little eyewash on racial equity and howls if it is not accepted as the real thing. They play to the angry deluded white population for the advantage of a corporate (and largly white) power structure. They're welcome to try to equally delude the non caucasion population, they work here is dillitory so far.
McCain gets a free pass .
You will never hear the media report about John McCain's illegitemet son Homer or his mischievous grandson Bart .
Once again, the joke sails right over Hog's head.
Not hard to do when one has sunk to the level of the Hog.
Refer to the exclamation points easy...
I guess I should have put the little "smiley" face so you would understand. ;)
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