Me and Scott McClellan, brothers in arms
"Some Bush defenders, including former press secretary Ari Fleischer, [suggested] that McClellan may have had a ghostwriter or undergone heavy-handed editing." Washington Post, May 30
"McCellan's publisher, Peter Osnos, denies that a ghostwriter worked over McClellan's draft." Slate, May 28
Now that Scott McClellan has come clean in his book about the real nature of the Bush White House, I'll confess my own secret: Scott McClellan was a ghostwriter for my 2006 book, Lapdogs: How the Press Rolled Over for Bush.
No, really.
But let's be honest, prior to McClellan's new turncoat book, What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception, where the formerly loyal aide confirms so many liberal critiques of the White House, as well as chastises the complacent media for rolling over for Bush, how many people would have even believed my unlikely tale of collaboration? Talk about a possible career-killer for McClellan.
And trust me, he understood the risk of colluding with a liberal media critic, especially while he was on the White House clock. I remember back when he was secretly helping me with the book, I'd say, Mac (that's what I called him), are you crazy? What would Republicans say if they found out you were being disloyal to Bush, as well as aiding to puncture the long-running myth about the "liberal media"? I warned him that party elders like Bob Dole would open a can of whupass on him if they found out.
But McClellan was committed to my project and insisted on helping me craft my critique of how the press adopted a flagrant double standard when covering the Bush administration. He was especially angry about the media's lapdog performance during the run-up to the Iraq war.
That's why I wasn't surprised by the revelations in his new book last week. In fact, they sounded a little bit too much like Lapdogs, if you know what I mean. (But Mac and I are buds, so it's all good.)
This passage from his new book certainly had a Lapdogs ring to it:
And through it all, the media would serve as complicit enablers. Their primary focus would be on covering the campaign to sell the war, rather than aggressively questioning the rationale for war or pursuing the truth behind it. ... [T]he media would neglect their watchdog role, focusing less on truth and accuracy and more on whether the campaign was succeeding. [Page 125]
So did this blast:
If anything, the national press corps was probably too deferential to the White House and to the administration in regard to the most important decision facing the nation during my years in Washington, the choice over whether to go to war in Iraq. ... In this case, the "liberal media" didn't live up to its reputation. If it had, the country would have been better served. [Pages 156-157]
And, man, did the press act shocked last week, or what? Tim Russert on NBC was stunned that McClellan was using "MoveOn.org" language to describe the Bush White House, and the Politico's Mike Allen likened it to rhetoric used by the "left-wing haters." (C'mon, Mike, don't be a hater hata.)
Me? I knew years ago that McClellan was privately fuming over the press' lapdog performance. Oh sure, he stood stoically at the press briefing podium day after day robotically repeating administration talking points and amplifying the White House's contempt for the press. But inside, he was actually eager for the press to challenge the administration. To show some backbone.
I must say McClellan was indefatigable in his Lapdog research, ducking out of White House meetings to call me and emailing at all hours of the night with new media outrages, examples of the press' complicity in leading the nation to war. (One annoying point: Mac kept badgering me to call the book Complicit Enablers, but my publisher thought Lapdogs packed more of a punch.)
Lapdogs just wouldn't have been the same -- wouldn't have been as complete -- if it weren't for the sharp media critique eye of my pal Scott McClellan. And maybe NBC's David Gregory and his Beltway pals should give it another close read if they really think they did nothing wrong with their war coverage, that they asked all the right questions and refrained from cheerleading.
Mac and I disagree with Gregory on that one.
After all, it was McClellan who fired up the White House Nexis account and tallied up the number of times the "liberal" Washington Post editorialized in favor of the war from September 2002 to February 2003: 26.
He smartly tipped me off to a study conducted by the McCormick Tribune Foundation that found a majority of Americans thought the news media could have done a better job informing the public about Iraq and the stakes involved in going to war.
He flagged a study by Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting that focused on the first two weeks of February 2003, when the debate about the war should have been raging on the public airwaves, and found that of 393 people interviewed on camera for network news reports about the war, just 6 percent were people who expressed skepticism about the looming invasion.
And yes, it was McClellan who turned me onto research compiled by analyst Andrew Tyndall, who found that almost all the 414 Iraq stories broadcast on NBC, ABC, and CBS from September 2002 until February 2003 could be traced back to sources from the White House, the Pentagon, or the State Department. Only 34 stories, or just 8 percent, were of independent origin.
Mac was livid when he discovered that an ABC affiliate in Utah owned by Clear Channel Communications informed backers of an anti-war ad that it was an "inappropriate commercial advertisement for Salt Lake City." And Mac couldn't believe it when a CBS affiliate in Boise, Idaho, also refused to air the ad, insisting its claim that Bush lied about Iraq's WMDs was not provable.
In 2004, when Seth Mnookin's book Hard News was published, Mac immediately told me to dog-ear the page where The New York Times' former investigative editor, Doug Frantz, recalled how Times editor "Howell Raines was eager to have articles that supported the war-mongering out of Washington." And how Raines "discouraged pieces that were at odds with the administration's position on Iraq's supposed weapons of mass destruction and alleged links to Al Qaeda."
McClellan just shook his head in 2005 when he read Newsweek's Baghdad bureau chief Rod Nordland admit that when he arrived in Iraq two years earlier he had been "an unabashed believer in toppling Saddam Hussein." Can you imagine, I remember McClellan asking me, Newsweek in 2003 assigning as Baghdad bureau chief somebody who was an "unabashed" opponent of the war? We both scoffed at the notion.
Mac and I are no longer in touch (that was a prerequisite of our strict ghostwriting pact), but I'm sure he was fuming last week when CNN's Wolf Blitzer, responding to Mac's allegation that the press was too timid prior to the war, noted how often CNN had hosted war skeptic and former weapons inspector Scott Ritter to discuss the war.
Scott Ritter! Oh, that was rich. See, it was McClellan who dug up this quote (via the Daily Howler) from Ritter when he appeared on a C-SPAN call-in show in January 2004. Mac insisted that Ritter's response to a question about why he was rarely seen on television anymore discussing the war perfectly captured the media's complicity and he urged me to include Ritter's quote in Lapdogs in full, which I did:
Unfortunately, I don't believe the mainstream media acted responsibly in regard to Iraq. Back in the fall of 2002, I was belittled, I was called a traitor, I was called crazy -- Paula Zahn of CNN accused me of drinking Saddam Hussein's Kool-Aid for making accurate statements in response to aluminum tubes and uranium allegedly coming from Niger. I think we have a problem here in that the media is culpable for the misleading of the American public. They bought into the Bush administration's rhetoric and war fervor, they sold the war to the American public, and now they have to deal with the fact that they're the ones that were out there beating the war drums and you have this guy, Scott Ritter, who was saying something different and -- maybe they just don't know how to deal with me. [Page 273]
With What Happened, McClellan has become a big media star and revealed himself as a left-leaning media critic. His ghostwriting days are over.
But at least Mac can blurb my next book.

















"I'm Bill O'Reilly, thanks for watching us tonight - McClellan in bed with Media Matters, that's tonights Talking Points Memo. Well, we just found out that Scott McClellan has been secretly involved with Media Matters for years, the far left smear machine............."
Great ammo Eric, I am sure your pal Mac thanks you!
Wow Snoop, thanks for the link. You can hear the level of indignation in O'Reilly's voice. He just can't believe what he's hearing.
The most disingenuous part of that whole interview was when he asserted that McClellan was playing right into the "Bush hater's" hands.
Actually, the entire interview was pretty disingenuous on the part of O'Reilly.
You're good at the game Tommy. I still have not heard even one criticism of the content of the book; nothing but character assassination of the writer.
So, apparently, even if Scott may be a jackass .... He's right.
Tommy the truth has a liberal bias!
Deep down, the cons know it and it burns them up. This is why they cannot win on the issues... instead they rely on fear, manipulation of facts and emotions, and downright ignorance to 'win'.
Well I'd be a tad more impressed with Porky Pig's tell-all if he had quit his cushy White House job & announced his intentions to expose what the barnyard animals were all about. But this is nothing more than a Johnny come lately book. Or in this case, a Scotty come lately...
This book sounds like a yawner. Yeah, it's one more confirmation of what most of us already assumed was going on, but hardly a revelation.
I hope Porky's book quickly ends up in some dusty bargain bin along with all those tell-all Clinton books.
Too little, too late...Thanks for nothing Scotty.
This book sounds like a yawner. Yeah, it's one more confirmation of what most of us already assumed was going on, but hardly a revelation.
I'm amazed that some can yawn at this administration's documented lies, which directly caused thousands of US Troops to make the ultimate sacrifice.
Then take your selected outrage to the Democratic Congress, who did nothing to stop Bush, either by defunding the war, or through impeachment proceedings.
Accusing other posters of indifference, in this case misplaced since you obviously have never read Jeters very fair assessment of the Iraq war many times on these boards, is a little silly, don't you think?
mefirst, what don't you understand?
Here's what I wrote:
This book sounds like a yawner. Yeah, it's one more confirmation of what most of us already assumed was going on, but hardly a revelation.
Another words the book offers NOTHING we didn't know. Period.
Had the guy written it a few years back, it might actually be very important. Now, it's nothing much more than a rehash.
Yeah, those are the pathetic excuses the Right is using to diss Scott and his book: 'why didn't he speak up earlier' and 'he's in it for the $'.
Typical. Typical cynical rightwing BS.
Their argument amounts to, "oh, it's your fault. You Democrats didn't do anything to stop this Republican administration from sellling the invasion of Iraq." As if conservatives have no Constitutional right to redress their grievances and petition our government. It's called personal responsibility you flippin' jerks, your side sure loves to spout off about it, but ya damn sure hesitate to practice it.
Screw that pathetic weasel crap. The right had every opportunity to join us sensible liberals in protest. But no. They were far more concerned with shouting down and intimidating dissenters.
To a man, republicans are a buncha sick pigs.
Actually, blaming the Democratic Party is incorrect. You cannot say that the Democratic Party is to blame for the lies, misrepresentations, disingenuity and corruption of the current administration. Scott McClellan's book serves to support what 70% of Americans have been thinking for at least the last two years: that they've been lied to by an administration bent on keeping themselves in power, gaining as much more power as possible, all the while promoting their agenda as one which protects the peace. Lies, spin, more lies and more spin - and you want us to blame Democrats in Congress for White House talking points?
Tommy, some of your posts are somewhat reasonable. Your response above, however, isn't even in the ballpark.
Furthermore, this isn't about the Democrats in Congress. This is about Scott McClellan's first-hand knowledge of lies, spin and misrepresentation coming from the White House. Deflection, anyone?
Not even a nice try, Tommy.
Thanks Tommy. I don't bother responding to Gov anymore. The guy is mentally challenged so of course my post flew over his head. And of course he took something out of context to try & conjure up a point. Typical Gov. I don't waste my time with dolts.
My point, as anyone with an ounce of intelligence would have realized [this leaves Gov out] was that Scotty's book would have been more relevant & important had he left his job & exposed what was going on asap.
Instead he writes a book after the fact, that offers a rehash of what we already pretty much knew.
That don't impress me much.
I agree, Doris. That was very disappointing to see. What's more, I don't remember Governor ever using that kind of vitriol against Jeter or anyone else, so unless Jeter repents of his statements, I'm going to have to guess that he's of lesser caliber than I always thought (and certainly lesser than Governor's own).
It will also be interesting to see of Tommy tries to come to Jeter's rescue. Probably not this time.
TOMMY: " ... your Democratic Party did nothing they promised to do ..."
Now I am afraid you have over-reached, Tommy. The Democratic majority in Congress was able, among other things, to pass a bill increasing the minimum wage, as they had promised to do. (And there were other things they did that they had promised to do.)
I find your comment revealing. Instead of addressing McClellan's insider revelations about the push for a war with Iraq -- instead of war as a last resort -- you want to point the finger at the Democrats for not stopping Bush. Have you considered that maybe the Democrats felt they were betrayed by Bush, just as McClellan did?
"Well I'd be a tad more impressed with Porky Pig's tell-all if he had quit his cushy White House job & announced his intentions to expose what the barnyard animals were all about."
At the time, according to McClellan, he really believed in what he was saying. Why would he quit? Only in retrospect does he realize the information he gave to reporters was wrong, and only in retrospect does he realize that many in the Bush administration intentionally mis-lead him.
Personally, I think it's brave of him to come out before the Bush Presidency is over. With the culture of fear and smearing that the Bush Admin. had used to stifle critics, it's a wonder any dissent is catalogued in the MSM today.
My ultimate hope however, is that this will help keep us from attacking Iran.
A wise man once said:
"There is no shame in recognizing your failings or getting help if you need it. The tragedy comes when we fail to take responsibility for our weaknesses and surrender to them."
I can't remember who said that, but I'm SURE he was really, really smart.
I haven't read it yet, and not sure that I will (seems rather long with lots of words). But Hitchens said that it's very-well sourced, with all sorts of recently de-classified docs, and provides an objective appraisal of the intelligence and considerations leading up to the war . . .
In favor of it? He practically gave the war to Tenant to give to the Administration......you know.....looking at the "facts" in a different light and all.....
Sheesh Feith was part of the orchestrator's of the information that LED to the war.
Yes I would say that man is covered in blood.
If not for him and the "office of special operations" Now disbanded.....har....right after they Looked at the Intelligence in their different light, then we might not have even gone to war.
Ok, well that is far fetched - they would have found another way to do it eventually, however, his hands are terribly dirty with the lead up to this thing we are calling war.
Leading Progressive and renowned journalist, Christopher Hitchens
In what universe is Hitchens a progressive? Outside of his atheism, he's been a solid fit in conservative circles for a couple of decades.
At the time, according to McClellan, he really believed in what he was saying. Why would he quit?
I'm not buying that. I find it a tad unreal to think he didn't have a clue...I don't consider him the least bit brave. He's out to make a buck rehashing what we already pretty much knew.
But if you believe him, that's cool. We can disagree.
Exactly, if he was ghostwriting for Boehlert's book he certainly wasn't too pleased with the way the war was being covered.
Right on target Jeter.
if he was ghostwriting for Boehlert's book
Tommy, you are being facetious, right?
funny is not the word I'd use.
BOB DOLE? Is that you?
No seriously, your sanctimonious and dismissive post doesn't remove the fact that if you didn't already know what a bunch of stinking pigs the Bushies were by 2004 you were just trying to hide your head in the sand.
It's getting harder to take anything you write seriously. ;)
Aw hold a grudge much Roundy? Did I hurt your feelings on that other thread? Here's a kleenix, wipe your tears away.
Seriously, get over it.
If you missed my point here, it's because you, as per usual, can't even consider other points of view.
Better than being narrow-minded & gullible like you Roundy. So is Scott is your hero now? OMG that's too funny. Are you really so clueless?
Had Scott left his post disgusted with the Bush administration & this tell-all book come out I'd be impressed.
If you can't see a weasel trying to make a quick buck then you're just blind.
And BTW, I am the fair one. You wear blinders.
I could care less about Scotty cashin' in, I'm not impressed by him and I couldn't care less how unimpressed you are with him. Thought you might admire his lust for money though, being a con man yourself. Maybe you can admire his on the job loyalty if nothing else. I mean he didn't cut and run or surrender. No, he was a good conservative stooge and stayed the course...in public anyway.
Most folks already knew the truth about the deep tongue kisses the press was giving Bush. No news here.
And if you don't like your own stupid words coming back on ya buddy, maybe you should more carefully consider what you write before you press post? Maybe?
See, I don't buy your fair minded routine. You're every bit as dogmatic as me. You just happen to be a radical centrist unable to see reality any more clearly than anybody else. The difference is, I know what I am. I know I'm not trying to give any credance to the rightwing point of view, there is simply damn little in conservative thought worth considering.
Keep fooling yourself, Jeets. Keep being Mr. Down the Middle. You'll pull in some good lefties to defend you because you're so unctiously ingratiating but I see your game for what it is.
Take my slogan, please! And you can do the bumper sticker thing if you want. I'm not in it for personal glory or riches.
Well I'd rather be a radical centrist than a radical leftie [you] or a radical rightie. So thanks I'll take that as a compliment.
Your trouble Roundhouse is that you don't like it when you lefty comrades actually welcome other points of view. Well tough.
Keep those blinders on...I want to be there when you crash into reality.
BTW, if I'm playing a game...what's the prize?
You're weak, Jeets.
I'm waiting for Cheney to 'opine' on this book. Not a peep out of him about it, instead, he cracks on WV and its people... dumb, dumb, dumb.
He really shouldn't get into the comedy business... conservatives are simply terrible at it.
Moi? Perhaps?
Thanks for the free psychoanalysis. It was well worth the price.
Maybe...maybe not. If it pleases your ego to assume I was referring to you then thanks for proving my point.
Lame dude.
Don't want to risk reputation here? Too sissy to call me out?
Thanks Chris. The narrowminded sanctamonious crap that goes on here does get tiresome, but it's always nice when someone encourages other points of few.
My problem with this specific tell-all book is more about McClellan's motivation in writing it. I find it difficult to believe that it took this guy as much time as he claims to figure he was being handed a load of bull, or that he was blissfully unaware of what was going on around him. Plus, I doubt this book would have seen the light of day if Scotty wasn't pretty much pushed out of the White House.
Had he resigned because of he was disgusted with Bush & Co. & sat down to write this book I'd be a lot more impressed.
As far as I can tell these are the "revelations" of a disgruntled man whose only motivation to tell his story is revenge or money or a combination of the two.
"Thanks Chris. The narrowminded sanctamonious crap that goes on here does get tiresome, but it's always nice when someone encourages other points of few."
Freudian Slip? Or was that intentional? ;)
If further exposing and documenting of this administration's lies hinders this country's pre-emptive attacks on sovereign nations and makes it harder for elected officials to send US Troops to die in unjust wars, then I'd call that a win-win.
Agreed. Righties will hate this book, mostly because it exposes the BS that they have either (1) refused to believe, or (2) intentionally ignored for partisan reasons. It serves as support for those who have been questioning the administration and it's conning of the American public at large (via the press).
And if it helps prevent us from invading other nations (such as Iran), all the better.
Jeter,
That is a fair assesment. My disagreement is based on the fact that McClellan isn't the only administration insider to make these revelations. Richard Clarke, John Snow, and to an extent Colin Powell have essentially told us the same thing. I will conceed your point that it is likely that this book was written out of a desire for revenge, but let's be honest here. He was basically sent out to lie for Rove and Libby after being deliberately misled. that would piss me off as well. I applaud his courage to stand up and tell us what happenned and if he makes a buck off of it the so be it. I just think we can't discount what he tells us based on the idea that he is just disgruntled and is esentially stretching the truth to sell books. when three others before him say the same thing he does it pretty much seals the deal for me. Bush and his ilk manipulated intelligence to make us believe that Saddam was a direct threat to America when his real intention was to essentially engage in a crusade to spread American style of democracy in the middle east. Who was going to support a war based on that idealism? IMO the timing doesn't matter here nor the rationale. We deserve to know the truth and the families of the 4,000 dead American kids who died for these lies deserve to know the truth no matter who says it or why they say it.
Jeter,
I do think this is a pretty important book. The fact that an insider is confirming much of the criticism of this administration makes the criticism seem much more than just a bunch of "liberal Bush haters" acting irrationally.
This book is a strong confirmation of what we previously could only suspect was true.
Then why don't the detractors on the right come out and argue the points McClelland made in his book instead of engaging in the usual worn out political namecalling?
All I hear is 'he's doing it for the money' and 'he's disgruntled'. Yeah? And? Not very convincing arguments...
Now if they came out with refutations of what Scott wrote then they may have a more receptive audience. However, I have this funny feeling that they will not do that. Hmmm...
Get over yourself mefirst......you are fast becoming as irrelevant as the Governor is to me, so you can think whatever you want too, I am indifferent to it, thank you.
So if any of you want an answer, then ask a specific one, not some general "Did Bush lie" question. Let me ask you, if you believe Bush lied then why did the Democrats not proceed with impeachment? Lying into war is serious, don't you think?
Uh, possibly because the Dems that wanted to go that route didn't have enough support from their own party, not to mention those from the 'other side'.
Just because they didn't go there doesn't mean they didn't have a valid case for it.
He violated tons of resolutions, that is his fault.
Now I know you don't like my answers and feel free to disagree, but you asked, and you have it.
Enjoy........
So THAT is the 'new and improved' reason why we went to war? Simply because Saddam violated the resolutions? Wow... we really are shifting around all over the place, aren't we? Do you really expect me to buy that one? Bush and his rightwing cronies don't give a **** about the UN and what it says and you know it. Bush wanted this war and he used the sorriest of excuses to get it and now he is floundering around trying to explain it.
Soooo... why didn't we go to war with Israel when it violated UN resolutions if that is such an important deciding factor?
but the inspectors had been there for two months before the invasion and were pulled out because bush told the u.n. to pull them out. so what is it you contend is not a lie. clearly, saying we had to invade because saddam wouldn't let the inspectors in is a lie.
Spin it anyway you want, you have your opinion, I have mine. The reason we invaded was Saddam is because he violated resolution after resolution.
So, you asked, and you keep asking, we will not agree so it's moot.
We disagree.
Why should we be surprised by his silence?
What Tommy is failing to understand here is that the issue of the inspectors isn't a matter of opinion - it IS a matter of FACT.
Just like you cannot opine about whether 1+1=2 or not... unless you are a deluded lunatic.
you are fast becoming as irrelevant as the Governor is to me.
Perhaps then you can find it in your heart to not mention me... by name.... on MM threads I have not even posted on...
My goodness.
That doesn't even come close to addressing my post. That was about as good as one of those 'your momma is so ugly...' taunts.
Try again.
Why don't YOU go to a rightwing site and post liberal opinions? I don't think I need to tell you how fast you would be kicked out.
You got it so good here, boy. You get to keep talkin' all your conservative smack, day in and day out, yet you're still posting in the heart of the leftwing cyber universe because, unlike the shrinking violets at freepersissies.com, liberals invite opposing views. We may tell you that your views are ignant and doubtless you'll say we can't handle you, but it always seems you and your brood are the ones carping about OUR point of view.
Idiot.
Yeah, playing the 'victim' card as the Right consistently does. Awww. Woe is me. Blah blah blah...
So if any of you want an answer, then ask a specific one
Do you think this administration was repeatedly deceptive in making its case to send US Troops to Iraq, where to date over 4000 have died?
Check. :)
That is basically the premise of Scott's book and it is the very reason why the detractors cannot bring themselves to critique the actual substance of the book instead of attacking its author for to do so would be to acknowledge the veracity of the book.
See how it works?
Outside of the noted admission that the DSM was accurate, "intentionally selective" is "deceptive". If you're selecting what intelligence supports your case, then you're presenting a deceptive case. "Intentionally" makes it even more obvious, since what would the "intent" be except for going to war?
How ridiculous. Cherry-picking intelligence with a specific intent isn't deceptive, how? If the point isn't to deceive people, then why do it? And you have the gall to talk about other people having "spin" and being disingenuous. You "disagree" with the argument that there were inspectors in Iraq before the invasion, as if it's an opinion.
It's sort of funny that you boycott Governor's questions, as if there's a price to pay for your behavior, but then you act as if you can say anything you like and you deserve respect. Anytime the war comes up you insist that Bush didn't lie. You have no way of addressing the arguments, but your opinion is sacrosanct. But you're not a Bush apologist, heaven forbid anyone make that scurrilous charge.
How is making yourself look like an ass by defending an indefensible position any different from what you say Governor does ("If I ever get this bad, let me know..." or words to that effect)? And he should be ignored because of his behavior, but if anyone talks about your worthiness here then it's because they can't handle opposing positions. Disingenuous, to say the least.
It was futile only because you conveniently sidestepped it. Why would you sidestep a valid question such as the one posed by Gov?
Because the Gov is disingenuous, and I have no respect for him, nor am I compelled to answer him.
I will answer you however, if you say Bush lied, fine, then the Democrats surely should have taken action in the form of impeachment proceedings if that allegation is so cut and dried. If not, then it's a waste of time and we need to deal with Iraq now, now five years ago. My opinion, no, he didn't intentionally lie, but beyond that I offer no excuses for him or his mismanaged war mess we are now in, he is responsible, he is a failure, I will be glad when he if out of office.
You have my opinion, you are entitled to yours.
Well, at least you get 50% for your response - yes, the second half was spot on whereas the first half... well, no need to comment.
Too bad that your 50% cannot undo those 4,000+ American military deaths and those God-knows-how-many Iraqi civilian deaths.
Because the Gov is disingenuous, and I have no respect for him, nor am I compelled to answer him.
You are simply not capable of assigning or dispensing respect on this forum.
You have my opinion, you are entitled to yours.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion; no one is entitled to their own facts." --Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Not good enough. I still haven't heard anything of substance from any of them, Rove included. Certainly not from the talkers.
Now Cheney did just make a comment on it, saying that he hasn't read the book and has no plans for reading it, yet he referenced Bob Dole's saying about 'miserable creatures' in regard to McClelland. So Cheney basically is doing what the rest are doing - opining on a book they haven't even cracked open.
Sorry, doesn't wash.
So you're dissing those you don't agree with? Gee, big surprise.
Have you read it?
Where did I say I was 'dissing' anyone?
Simply making an observation... nothing more, nothing less.
To answer your question: no, I have not read it. Yet if you pay close attention you will that I am not passing judgement on the book, unlike Bush and Cheney and many others in the Administration who seem to know exactly what was written and why it was written without even reading it.
Wow... what amazing powers they must have... clairvoyance!
The fact that the only negative responses to the book have been directed solely to the author instead of actually what was written is all the evidence I need to conclude that the book is 'the real deal'.
The Administration simply has no case whatsoever.
Rabbitluvr,
I'll tell you why. Because people like Hannity, O'Reilly, and all the others have a sh!t load of egg on there face. They tried to tell us all along that it is ridiculous to believe that an American President would manipulate intelligence to sell a war. They called those who voiced that opinion un-american, un-patriotic, etc. Now that McCllelan makes essentially the third administration official to leave the white house and later come out and tell us this is pretty damning evidence that tghey were wrong and we were right. O'Reilly and Hannity would rather take a loofah in the arse then admit they spread such propoganda which was directly responsible fo rthe deaths of 4,000 American kids and countless Iraqis'.
Well, I guess it would be more expected for a former Whitehouse Administration official to write a pretty bland and supportive of the administration's view. Such a book would probably be much more boring. I don't know about calling it "trash".
McClellan is generally receiving more attention because he did something unexpected - regardless of anyone's political beliefs. To that degree any time someone makes such a clear break from their former employer, it is always more interesting. I guess I don't really see the point.
I think the book is valuable if not merely because this is a guy who was very close to the core of the administration who now almost entirely agrees with what liberals have been "crackpots" and "haters" for saying.
I don't think McClellan is validating "crackpots" and "haters" by any means, what he is saying is that the run up to the war was packaged in its most negative light to make the case for going into Iraq.
Crackpots and haters are irrational nuts who have all sorts of theories to defend their crackpot hatred, McClellan is not one of those.
-- this is a guy who was very close to the core of the administration -- openmind
That might be a bit of a stretch. By many accounts McClellan was not privvy to inside information...he had little access to the president other than being given his talking points for the day.
It's not that he was informed of everything that was going on in the Bush White House, Wesley. It was the fact that McClellan was told to tell the press certain things - and he was to tow the line or otherwise be terminated. His book is about how the administration misrepresented facts to the press (and therefore, the public at large via the press) and how the administration spun certain issues to their favor.
Many of you might not see the importance of this book - and that's fine. Some of you have already dismissed the book as opportunism. If you take a good look, you'll see that the book is really about how the Bush Administration controlled the press by using misrepresentations and spin.
I have not read the book, but I have read all I can about it - and I'm following news reports about it - in advance of getting my copy.
While I'll say it is conceivable that McClellan was kept out of some discussions, but he was the official Whitehouse spokesman. He was most likely aware of how the administration was at the very least working their messaging. You tend to see who is feeding good info and who is not...who is feeding you an opinion that fits in with what you see and who is not.
I don't know esactly what to think of McClellan, but I haven't seen any evidence he is lying so far. I plan on checking the book out soon.
Ghost Writers.......in the sand.
I've come to the opinion that this colunm was actually ghost written by Jesus General. The Truth willout Eric, though if the general is involved it'll probably be truth willsideways, with a chaser.
I've not read the book, and have no intention to... if it contains any information that is new or controversial in it, then I guess it'll get out, and be repeated... from the chattering and prattling and honking and squawking so far, I haven't heard a single detailed thing that this book relates, that's shocking or a bombshell or controversial... what thing in this book (from all the chatter etc so far) "pins" anything of substance on anybody, the President or the VP or Karl Rove or "scooter" libby?
Is the White House Press Corps at present awaiting the President to face them, so that they can ask "is this true?" ...and he can answer "No".
I don't get it... where's the bombshell and the blockbuster and the shocker and the smoking gun and the evidence and the controversy, that everyone's prattling and chattering and honking and squawking about?
I have never seen the various public media figures on this side of the aisle, on the side opposite the bush administration, I have never seen them this neurotic, that they chatter so breathlessly about nothing... they bark and snarl and snap at the air, like dogs who make a big show, because they're really just scared and are trying to save their dog faces, by looking attentive and watchful and on the job, when actually they are not...
It kind of causes any real alarm and real alert and real news to get lost, and become just a different sounding noise, by comparison.
Coming soon:
So I guess the Rev Wright was never a major story?
Main stream media outlets like Fox covered Wright pretty fairly. However, the entire media, including the fair and balanced crew, continually ignore Obama's important connections with Father Phleger (sp), William Ayers, and his other terrorist connections. The media is doing this country a huge disservice by not paying close attention to these issues, which to any sensible person, clearly indicate that Obama is nothing less than a Manchurian Candidate controlled by those who want to harm America. Plain as day
"The media is doing this country a huge disservice by not paying close attention to these issues, which to any sensible person, clearly indicate that Obama is nothing less than a Manchurian Candidate controlled by those who want to harm America. Plain as day"
Man oh man, I can't believe that ya'll are still using the "Manchurian Candidate" scare tactic. Did you see the movie? Either of the movies? Did you know it's about a POW captured by Korean/Iraqi forces (depending on which movie) and brainwashed for years to come back and win the White House. Who does that sound more like, Obama or McCain?
As for your guilt-by-association tactics, should I mention Phil Gramm and his terrorist-funding connections? The Phil Gramm who is McCain's main economic advisor and a major player in the mortgage meltdown? Personally, I think a key advisor is quite a bit more influential than a former Weatherman who was on the same board as Obama for a year or so.
A vote for McCain is a vote for terrorist funding. Period.
Sen. Obama wants to do harm to America?
If that's "plain as day" to you, then you must live underground, or otherwise have your head stuck up someplace where the sun doesn't shine.
That's good to hear, truly... for hannity and north etc., to harp on nonsense, just antagonizes the millions upon millions who have already registered their support for Sen. Obama. True. It makes McCain's job tougher, by setting his opposition up more firm and more energized and more motivated and more hostile. Absolutley true. It does nothing constructive for candidate McCain... I can hardly believe it does anything for hannity and north either... it sinks both their boats, and that's good. True.
Where is it on the regular, like it is for the lefties you disagree with, for Rino Hunter, Phillib and this guy?
I know you take these cats to task now and again but not with the consistency you chide left points of view.
Come on, fellas. Where ya at?
Mr. Thompson is being satirical, I believe.
Thank you.
I highly doubt that, really. From my recollections, Thomp.Steve cites Hannity on a regular basis.
If he's being satirical, he should definitely let that be known.
whew okay good...I mean, I thought it was a possibility, but there are quite a few people here who have said the exact same thing you said, so I wasn't sure if you were actually being sarcastic.
Anyway, sarcasm noted and laughed at, I'll now go bury my head in the sand ;)
You've got that down-pat. Kudos to tommy for recognizing that sarcasm.
It's good to be a conservative isn't it? All the whacked shit righties say can always be written off as satire. Hell, even the serious policy shit is satire in my book.
No,but there is a call for Percy Prithypitts.
I agree with you JJ.;-)
The english language can be a lot of to fun to play with ,thank you. Though I confess word choice is often because its the word I remenber how to spell. You and a number of the regulars engage in good word play, I'm just trying to keep up.
Sometimes an obscene word can make a good puntuation point. It is somehow surprising to some that no matter how hard they insult someone. They don't change the insultees mind.
I have become less of a sweetheart, that's true. I'm simply done excusing the terrible political choices and horrible thinking of righties just because they are sometimes cordial or nice. It just isn't worth it. Republicans are out of ideas, they lack vigor and they need to lead, follow or get out of the way.
Tommy. Nice catch.
(or perhaps you and steve are one and the same?) ;)
Hey Round, When I said you were getting explicit I was only referring to curse words. It had nothing to do with your ideas. You don't need to apologize for not being a sweetheart (although to me you are), especially when dealing with the more hardheaded types. Over the weekend I posted a link to an article that I think you might find interesting.
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm#_ednref25
Keep being righteous, my brother!
Keep it up girl. Much love to ya.
Oliver North is a "Great American"? Whatever. Oliver North deserves to be in prison.
Of course, you and Hannity believe he's a hero - when he's really nothing more than a traitor. You right wingers sure know how to pick 'em!
Obama is nothing less than a Manchurian Candidate -Steve
That is the ultimate in projection. Who was in the military? Who was held prisoner by a far east country? Who can't remember Shia from Sunni or what he had for breakfast this morning? (Hint - not Obama).
You mean the scandal that prompted Obama to give a speech on race that the media adored so much they compared him to Martin Luther King?
Well, in my opinion, McClellan, once he knew his party and his president were full of crap up to their eyeballs he should have quit and run fast as he could to every news outlet available to him.
As we all know, he did not.
He can list himself as a reticent traitor to the American public, in my book. Some things should be known, and he knew them. Why wait......till people die to write a stinking book.
It's shameful.
Body language can account for about one third of the information passed in instances where its availible.
Sounds like he's willing and able to back his current position with some internal integrity. Which is reflected in his body english. Good, its much healthier to live that way.