The NY Times sends a Dittohead to interview Rush Limbaugh
In his Sunday profile of right-wing talker Rush Limbaugh, New York Times Magazine contributor Zev Chafets set the scene by describing his visit to Limbaugh's studio in Palm Beach, Florida. Chafets wrote that when he was buzzed into the control room adjacent to where Limbaugh broadcasts, he was greeted by a Limbaugh associate, a very large man wearing a beret who "glared" at the reporter and demanded in a deep voice, "Are you the guy who's here to do the hit job on us?"
After holding the menacing tone for a long moment, Chafets reported, the associate burst into emphatic laughter.
Get it? The joke was that Limbaugh and his inner circle despise the liberal media so much that they were going to give the Times writer a hard time right from the get-go.
Fat chance.
Limbaugh had nothing to fear from the toothless tiger that came to Palm Beach to profile one of the most controversial media figures in politics today. The Times' resulting valentine was couched in such a creepy, tell-me-more-Uncle-Rush vibe (he was crowned "a singular political force") that readers could almost picture the reporter at Limbaugh's knee, eager to record the next morsel of wisdom.
How squishy-soft were the practically nonexistent edges of the Times puff piece? So supple that giddy staffers at NewsBusters were doing cartwheels in the halls. The right-wing media site alerted readers with an all-points bulletin moments after the Times piece was posted online: "NYT Article on Rush -- This is NO Hit Piece." (It likes him! The New York Times really likes him!)
For Limbaugh, the ego-stroking profile was quite an achievement: The mighty, and allegedly liberal, New York Times conducted what appeared to be a lengthy, in-depth, and objective profile of Limbaugh and came away very impressed by the titan talker. The Times, quite emphatically, provided its editorial seal of approval to Limbaugh, complete with the flattering, Tony Soprano-like cover photo.
But let's go back to that mock stare-down inside Limbaugh's control room for a moment. Because there was another layer of humor involved, but one that was lost on readers -- because they weren't made aware of the fact that the writer who profiled Limbaugh for the Times is pretty much a Dittohead, a Limbaugh devotee who thinks the "liberal media" are "unfair" to the right-wing host. So of course there was no reason to fear a "hit job." The whole notion was literally laughable.
I assume Chafets' right-leaning politics explain why Limbaugh referred to the writer as "a friend" in the article and why Limbaugh allowed Chafets unprecedented access not only to Limbaugh's studio, but to Limbaugh's house ("the first journalist ever to enter his home") and to his friends and his shrink. Limbaugh granted the access because he pretty much knew exactly what the outcome of the profile would be (or at least what the glowing tone of the piece would be), and he knew that Chafets wouldn't come within a country mile of making even a passing reference to the hate speech and unhinged attacks that Limbaugh routinely engages in on the airwaves.
Indeed, out of the 7,700-plus words Chafets wrote about Limbaugh, I counted exactly two in the entire piece in which the writer quoted a Limbaugh critic (apparently secondhand) saying something unkind about Limbaugh's craft.
Does every Limbaugh profile need to be a hit piece? Of course not. Should every serious Limbaugh profile at least try to convey to readers what's so controversial about the host and what he says on his radio program? Of course. And that's where the Times, rather obliviously, took the pratfall with its Limbaugh article.
I understand that Beltway media players routinely play nice with Limbaugh and his fringe brand of conservatism. Spooked by his liberal-bias charges, the mainstream press corps has for years treated Limbaugh with undeserved respect, worked overtime to soften his radical edges, and presented him as simply a partisan pundit. (Time's Mark Halperin has labeled Limbaugh an "American iconic" figure, while NBC News anchor Brian Williams fretted that Limbaugh doesn't "get the credit he is due" as a broadcaster.)
The lengthy Times profile took that trend to a whole new level, because unlike most previous half-hearted attempts to outline, in very general ways, what Limbaugh says and explain why he's controversial, the Times clearly never had any intention of shedding even the dimmest light on the content of Limbaugh's program. Instead, it hired a conservative writer to wistfully dismiss Limbaugh's critics in two or three sentences. And in exchange for playing dumb, the Times was granted unusual access to the talk-show host.
That kind of obvious quid pro quo is the type of thing that's practiced on a daily basis at celebrity magazines, where editors angle for access in exchange for puff pieces. It's not journalism, and it ought to be beneath the Times.
As I mentioned, the result was a win-win for Limbaugh. But what did the Times get out of the cozy deal, besides a very long, dull profile in which quotes like this were supposed to pass as insightful: "He's a liberal. I oppose liberals. That's all that's involved here"?
That's Limbaugh, referring to the candidacy of Sen. Barack Obama. Scintillating, no?
Elsewhere in the piece, we're told important people (on the right) take Limbaugh "seriously as a polemicist and public intellectual." So, too, does Chafets, who pontificated on the talker's "belief in American exceptionalism" and toasted Limbaugh's ability to produce "funny," "fluent, often clever political talk" on a daily basis and his "virtuoso" performances.
For the Times writer, Limbaugh is much more than a talk-show host; he's an educator: "Limbaugh entertains, but he also instructs. He provides his listeners with news and views they can use, and he teaches them how to employ it." (FYI: Chafets also described Limbaugh as "the first white, Goldwater Republican soul shouter." Don't ask.)
To recap: Limbaugh's a "funny," "public intellectual" who produces "fluent, often clever political talk" and who also "instructs" and "teaches."
Honestly, I'm not sure how much research Chafets did on his subject (besides rounding up nifty quotes from Limbaugh's best buds, like Karl Rove and Roger Ailes), but any cursory Google search, let alone a stroll down Media Matters' memory lane, would have turned up lots of instances in which Limbaugh made news for his hateful rants.
But Chafets clearly never intended to inform readers about who Limbaugh is and what he actually does for a living. Instead, the reporter set out to paint false portraits of Limbaugh as a deep thinker as well as a powerful GOP insider. (More on that later.)
That's why there was no mention in the very long profile about the fact that Limbaugh has called Sen. John Kerry a "gigolo," mocked Democratic Party chief Howard Dean as "a very sick man," agreed that liberal philanthropist George Soros is a "self-hating Jew," denounced then-Sen. Tom Daschle as an Al Qaeda sympathizer, mocked anti-war crusader Cindy Sheehan, whose son was slain in Iraq, by teasing, " 'Oh, she lost her son' -- well, yes. Yes. Yes. But you know, this is [sigh] -- aaah. We all lose things."
Or that Limbaugh has claimed Democrats "hate this country" (i.e. "What's good for Al Qaeda is good for the Democratic Party in this country today"); denigrated members of the U.S. Armed Forces, calling military men and women who criticized the war in Iraq and advocated withdrawal "phony soldiers"; toasted photos of the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib as "good old American pornography"; suggested actor Michael J. Fox faked symptoms of his life-threatening illness while taping a pro-stem-cell-research commercial; called Sen. Barack Obama a "Halfrican American"; and announced Obama and Osama bin Laden are "on the same page."
There was not even a whiff of those odious attacks in The New York Times. Who knows? Maybe Chafets, given his clear political leanings, didn't include those nuggets because he didn't think the smears were particularly controversial. Maybe Chafets agreed with all of Limbaugh's pronouncements.
It's certainly possible. Reading some of Chafets' previous work (he used to be a columnist for the New York Daily News), I often got the feeling that he was applying to be a Limbaugh ghost writer, the way he dumped all over Democrats and cheered lustfully for a war with Iraq.
One scurrilous Chafets column in particular really captured just how far out on the Democratic-hating fringes he has operated. The column was published less than three weeks before the 2004 election, and Chafets relayed a story, which he had heard secondhand, about the time Sen. Kerry made an official visit to Israel some 20 years earlier. According to Chafets, Kerry walked away dry-eyed after visiting a Holocaust museum in Jerusalem. When an Israeli host told Kerry that then-Sen. Al Gore had been emotionally overwhelmed by the museum, Kerry, determined to match his stateside "rival," asked for time alone and then allegedly returned with tears in his eyes.
They were manufactured tears, according to the New York Times contributor whom Rush Limbaugh now calls "friend."
Safe to say that during the 2004 campaign, Chafets did everything he could to slime the Democratic nominee, who was nothing more than "the standard bearer for the unbearable" and a "Giant New England Slack-Jaw."
Chafets chuckled at Kerry when the Swift Boat Vets spread their smears about his war record, and wrote: "[Kerry] made a career out of being a proud Vietnam war hero who came home and threw away his medals."
Chafets has done lots of Dem-trashing in recent years. Surveying the field of possible presidential contenders in 2004, he announced that "Florida's Bob Graham is a flake with a heart condition." John Edwards resembled a "smarmy gigolo," was "pretty close to a cipher," and "lack[ed] even the most elementary qualifications" to be president. And former Democratic presidential hopeful Gary Hart was remembered as "the arrogant young senator from Colorado who lost his bid for the 1988 nomination by getting caught with his pants down."
President Bush, by contrast, was a "master politician" and Rudy Giuliani, "the Italian Stallion."
And just like Limbaugh, Chafets was a loud cheerleader for the War on Terror (i.e. Islam "is an aggressive, violent political ideology") as well as the Iraq war, which Chafets anticipated with a somewhat demented sense of glee:
A lot of people feel guilty for enjoying the war. After all, some terrible things are happening. But worse things would happen if America failed to rid the world of Saddam. This time, right and might are on the same side. And there is something undeniably enjoyable about being on the sunny side of an uneven struggle between good and evil.
Unfortunately, it turned out Chafets was about as accurate as Limbaugh in his pronouncements about the Iraq war: "It's now clear that the military has a lid on the violence," the columnist confidently proclaimed a little more than four years ago this week.
I'm all for giving editors leeway in assigning writers for magazine cover stories. But I can't help wondering if Times public editor Clark Hoyt ought to look at this situation and determine whether the Times has ethical guidelines that generally frown upon hiring, in this case, a Democrat-bashing opinion writer to pen a magazine cover story about a Democrat-bashing media figure without ever letting readers in on the political alliance at play.
Journalism isn't supposed to hide perspectives and context. It's supposed to add them. Here, the Times deliberately did the opposite; it purposefully duped its readers.
That said, knowing more about Chafets' background now certainly helps explain why the whole Times Magazine piece was written in such solemn terms, as if the writer were being granted an audience with the great and powerful Rush Limbaugh: "I had come to talk to Limbaugh about his role in Republican Party politics."
The overall point of the piece seemed to be to document how wealthy Limbaugh is and what a powerful force he is within the Republican Party. There's no question Limbaugh is among the super-rich. (His new Clear Channel contract will ensure that.)
But the Times' ego-stroking premise that Limbaugh pulls the strings within the GOP remains laughable. It was just a few months ago that Limbaugh put his reputation on the line when he announced Sen. John McCain was not a true Republican (neither was Mike Huckabee) and that conservatives should vote for Mitt Romney to be the party's presidential nominee.
So what did millions of Republican voters nationwide do in response to Limbaugh's clarion call? They completely ignored him and voted for the guy Limbaugh said was a bum.
I mean, boy, how much more influential can he get?
But for whatever reason, the Times made an editorial decision regarding Limbaugh and paid Chafets to play dumb about the talk-show host.
Mission accomplished.

















Mr. Limbaugh calls Senator Obama the messiah but I believe that Rush is the real messiah of whom he speaks. I believe everyone should be calling Rush the messiah then those damn libruls will understand the truth. And when the messiah says McCain is a bum, the dittoheads must listen to their god-like idol and vote as this leader tells them to vote, not for McCain.
Mr. Limbaugh is new P.T. Barnum of our age. Like someone once said, "There's a sucker born every minute"..if that is true, how many hours did it take to create Rushs' audience? Maybe Rove can use his math and get the answer.
Mr. Limbaugh is new P.T. Barnum of our age.
Good comparison...for reasons too numerous to list.
Allow me to make a prediction...IMO Rush Limbaugh will likely self-destruct in two or three years. I doubt seriously if he will fulfill the extraordinarily lucrative contract he just signed. Why? Primarily because he has reached a point of success where his overblown ego no longer has any restraints. He's the man...he can do or say what he wants, and that's going to be his downfall. He'll be involved in some sort of scandal, perhaps drugs again, and the conservative movement won't be as powerful as it once was to justify his continuing presence. An ugly man who has done nothing more than caused hurtful divisiveness in this country... What a legacy?
No he won't. He should have been run out of town back when he returned from the Dominican Republic with his drugs. But he gets rewarded for it.
Here's the deal about the NYT article-- younger people-- meaning under 40-- have no idea how bad these guys are. They take them as a given. It's normal to them, because they have no sense of the possibility of things, either cultural or intellectual.
Anyone who knows anyhting knows how offensive L. and his ilk are, how irrational, how full of hate. But that takes knowledge and a sense of how things can be, and this poisoned generation isn't going to be the ones who say anything.
The problem really is intractable, and historically, will only be solved by things getting so bad that Reaction must occur. We're not anywhere near that yet. But just wait. Things will get much worse.
Nice. Nothing is more endearing than calling your future leaders a legion of dunces. Bitter much?
To recap: Limbaugh's a "funny," "public intellectual" who produces "fluent, often clever political talk" and who also "instructs" and "teaches."
I almost lost my lunch at "teaches." I'll never forget the exact moment that I lost all respect for Limbaugh. (I was a fan at one point, before I started thinking for myself and got over my childhood hero-worship of Ronald Reagan.)
He got a call from an 11 (I think) year old kid. The kid admitted to being a liberal and asked Rush about two or three issues that were relavent at the the time. (This was like... 1993 IIRC.) I don't remeber the issues, but I do remember that rather than take the time to educate (OK, from his POV) this impressionable youth, who at least was taking the inititive to read the paper and get involved in politics (pretty impressive for 'kids these days') and engage him in any kind of reasonable discourse, he went on a rampage making fun of the kid, insulting him, insulting liberals and not making a SINGLE relavent point about ANY of the points the kid brought up.
He not only used his bully polpit to publicly humiliate and 11 years old, but he couldn't even handle his questions!
Can you believe the A-Rod sized contract he just signed? Apalling.
I almost lost my lunch at "teaches." NGEddy
That's one of the reasons I try to catch bits of Rush's show when I can (drive time, usually), to hear the dittoheads thank the Fat One for all of the "instruction" and "teaching" he gives them. It's a little scary, but fascinating.
Rush deals in sleight-of-hand (or sleight-of-mouth, I guess), his rants are all strawmen and misleadingly paraphrased quotes and mind-reading ("what they're really saying is..."), but like any good unscrupulous preacher or salesman, he knows how to throw in a couple of 2 dollar words here and there, hit the emotional triggers, and his audience can be convinced they're getting facts.
I realize he's a nothing in the big scheme of things, his core audience is the lunatic fringe, but Rush's ideas are transmitted like herpes to more normal people. Some of those people , the ones who don't really keep up with the news, can be influenced to vote by the BS that starts with Rush. It's sad, but I think a reason why MMFA points out articles like the NY Times fluff piece. It gives a little bit of credibility to a blowhard party shill who should be laughed out of a job by an educated population.
John McEnroe writes:
"The lengthy Times profile took that trend to a whole new level, because unlike most previous half-hearted attempts to outline, in very general ways, what Limbaugh says and explain why he's controversial,"
What he really means is that INSTEAD of lying and distorting what Limbaugh says like every other article, this piece was actually an honest one.
"What he really means is that INSTEAD of lying and distorting what Limbaugh says like every other article, this piece was actually an honest one."
I think if he meant that, he would have said something to that effect.
"Har! I thought there was actually a quote from McEnroe in one of the links. I'm sure that was just a typo."
Just proof that a liberal has ABSOLUTELY NO sense of humor.
Colonel, NLT was just blaming you for his lack of comedic talent. You see it is our fault he isn't funny.
Funny you should say that
I'm a Trinitarian Patriot myself, by I'm completely in agreement. Despite the frequent assertion to the contrary, liberals absolutely dominate the field of humor. If we don't think that Limbaugh is funny, it's because we have taste.
Looking back, here are some of the things that I have thought of when it comes to humor: P.G. Wodehouse novels, Mad Magazine, the music of Tom Lehrer, Weird Al Yankovic and the Capital Steps; also Rocky & Bullwinkle, the sitcom Night Court and the British political comedy Yes, Minister. I have laughed loud and long at things both crude and juvenile (the 3 Stooges and the Benny Hill Show) to the subtle and sophisticated ("Cannibals in the Cafeteria" by Stephen Pile), to the macabre and bizarre (Charles Addams and Gary Larson cartoons). There's even humor in the Bible if you look hard enough (Chapter 6 of Esther is a favorite).
What's more, I enjoy making others laugh. I did a five minute stand-up routine at my own baptism, for goodness sakes. Similarly, I had them rolling in the aisles at a funeral luncheon recently. It's truly a blessing to be able to make people laugh.
There's lots of humor in these boards as well, and again it's utterly dominated by the liberals. My favorite is Easy to Refute Wingnuts. The funniest man I've ever personally known has written in a few times with the nick FilkerTom, who introduced me to The Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy and Mystery Science Theatre 3000 (Kevin Murphy, the voice of Servo, is a dedicated liberal and took several shots at Limbaugh therein).
Well, this was a short list of what I think is funny; each of us has his own, and we can always have friendly chats about the relative merits of each. But it surely is tiresome when someone who thinks Limbaugh or Coulter or some other hate-filled screed is funny and chastises us for daring to disagree. When such people do it, the irony of it is funny in a way... and that's probably all the humor they're capable of dredging up.
Here's one:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010?f=s_search
Right from this LIE MACHINE of a web site. Pick any other one for distortion of Limbaugh. He was talking about Phony Soldiers who falsified their service records.
How dense are you? Did your messiah fool you again?
Please read the mmfa article or are you using the messiahs' web version.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country."
Really?
Jawill, I HAVE heard what you are telling me. I I will now go go to change my registration to Robotlican. Thank You Thank You ....
I am bacck from the office and will turn on The messiah Rush....He sounds so angelic please, everyone join me here in Rushland. It is blissful and I know longer have to think.
To quote Batman:
Must....ignore....facts.....must....toe....party...line...
You could be right, but at the time, in the particular call which was quoted, he was calling soldiers who disagreed with Limbaugh's opinions on the war, phony soldiers.
It always amazes me when you cons come to the defense of a guy who, when faced with the opportunity to put his support for war into more than words, chose to evade risking his own rather elephantine ass.
Could it be because there has not been a war waged by this country since WWII that had anything to do with our defense? The only possible exception is Afghanistan, which pretty much every liberal supported. How is that war going, by the way? Why don't you get on the case of this administration for not wanting to defend this country by letting Afghanistan fall into ruin and by letting bin Laden get off scott free?
Oh, that's right. It's because you have no clue what you are talking about and are merely an unthinking sponge absorbing any and all BS flung at you by lying bloviaters like Limbaugh.
"That's funny because there isn't a single democrat or leftist that supports this war or any other war since WWII. Defending this country is not important enough to them."
And that's really funny because the Korean and Vietnam wars were started during a Democratic administration.
And for the record, I wanted Osama Bin Laden's head on a platter, and just for good measure, taking out the Taliban was a good idea too. Hell, invading Pakistan would have been better than going to Iraq...at least they have WMD's and are on the verge of radical Islamic fundamentalists taking over the country.
Democrats, along with Republicans, have been fighting and dying serving this country in every war going back to the Civil War.
Anytime, anyone, makes a blanket statement like yours about the patriotism of any political party, it only proves that the person making the claim knows nothing about this country's history.
Repeating "talking points" doesn't make them true and defending and supporting a coward like Limbaugh doesn't make him any less so.
"That's funny because there isn't a single democrat or leftist that supports this war or any other war since WWII. Defending this country is not important enough to them."
History lesson for Republican Liar No Left Turns:
1. The Vietnam War was started by DEMOCRATIC President Lyndon Baines Johnson.
Next, Drugbaugh is a chickenhawk who avoided going to Vietnam by using the anal cyst on his butt as a ticket out.
Third, the dis-likes of Liar Bush and THE BUSH CABAL are STILL longtime friends and business associates of The Bin Ladens and their Saudi backers. Liar Bush and Osama are rumored to be best friends since childhood. Osama likely possesses a lot of incriminating evidence against Bush and the rest of THE BUSH CABAL, which is the PRIMARY reason W. Bush doesn't want to catch him.
"That's funny because there isn't a single democrat or leftist that supports this war..."--Noleftturns
Actually, no intelligent and well-informed person supports this war--unless they are making money from it (and I sincerely doubt that you are making money from this war)
NoCredibilityLeft, forgive for not searching through the items you linked to. Am I supposed to guess what the lie is? Why don't you provide some actual quotes from these lying articles, and explain how they're lies.
This isn't the Rush Limbaugh show, you don't get to make up things that tennis players or hobbits said and then argue with those figments of your imagination. You baseless accusations will meet requests for evidence. Rush has you conditioned to swallow BS and thank him, but this is the real world.
ECM,
I think if you are going to go with a controversial opinion for this site, you best be able to back it up. I provided GAO reports, news articles, etc. the last two times you and I have debated and have received nothing in return from you beyond your own opinions and rhetoric. While valid, your opinions are just that, your opinions. You claimed I was detached from reality on the last thread, but provided no back up to why you thought my opinions and informational links were false. If we are going to have civil debate, rhetoric must be supported by factual evidence, if possible. Thanks!
NoLeftTurns sez:
"...He was talking about Phony Soldiers who falsified their service records."
Isn't it a little early to start re-writing that chapter of history? I mean, the dittoheads spent somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 weeks trying to parse that one in the oxymorons favor without much luck.
Maybe a little more time for it to become even more irrelevant before you wax nostalgic about it as a great victory, eh?
Neon, it's funny NLT would reference that item as an exapmle of lies against El Rushbo. I have fond memories of the phony soldiers issue as an example of right wing lies that couldn't be excused by interpretation, where the dittobots were really held to supporting their position.
In fact, it was at some of the threads on that very topic where the complete surrender of the ditto army was accepted.
Another: The Michelle Obama 'Whitey" video was first mentioned by Bob Beckel to pe-empt it:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hNiz4P0du8Ns7bKLYjDX8rss1GBgD918SIP81
Now you are using something that no on has ever heard and no one has a copy. Rush is the messiah. He can get people believe in something that doesn't exist. C'mon ZeroLeftTurns, call you alter ego Phillib and get him going. What the hell does a nonexistent video/tape have to do with anything?
Why didn't Zevie, ask about the Jeff Christie arrest in Pittsburgh?
John McEnroe? The ex-tennis player said that? Anyway, the Eric Boelert article you apparently didn't read very well included direct quotations which actually give the tenor of his immature ravings:
"That's why there was no mention in the very long profile about the fact that Limbaugh has called Sen. John Kerry a "gigolo," mocked Democratic Party chief Howard Dean as "a very sick man," agreed that liberal philanthropist George Soros is a "self-hating Jew," denounced then-Sen. Tom Daschle as an Al Qaeda sympathizer, mocked anti-war crusader Cindy Sheehan, whose son was slain in Iraq, by teasing, " 'Oh, she lost her son' -- well, yes. Yes. Yes. But you know, this is [sigh] -- aaah. We all lose things."
Or that Limbaugh has claimed Democrats "hate this country" (i.e. "What's good for Al Qaeda is good for the Democratic Party in this country today"); denigrated members of the U.S. Armed Forces, calling military men and women who criticized the war in Iraq and advocated withdrawal "phony soldiers"; toasted photos of the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib as "good old American pornography"; suggested actor Michael J. Fox faked symptoms of his life-threatening illness while taping a pro-stem-cell-research commercial; called Sen. Barack Obama a "Halfrican American"; and announced Obama and Osama bin Laden are "on the same page."
Quoting the words of Clifford Kelley of Chicago's black talk radio station WVON-AM 1690 http://www.wvon.com "Rush Limbaugh's a dope fiend!"
Ambrose I. Lane Senior http://www.weourselves.org correctly labeled Limbaugh "...a right wing criminal." Limbaugh has a long history of hatred, dissembly, and telling one lie after another. The sorry excuses for people who listen to him are just as big or BIGGER liars and hate-mongers than he is.
Thomp,
For argument's sake, does KO repeat debunked smears (like the Vince Foster thing) about Republicans? Does he inject race whenever he can? I don't get home many nights to watch him.
Oh really? what TRUTH do we have a problem with? That the surge is working, despite the fact that none of the goals of the surge have been met?
That President Bush has said "When the Iraqis ask us to leave, we'll leave," and the Iraqis have asked us to leave?
That because of the war in Iraq, and our subsequent dealings with the "democracy" of Pakistan, Al-Qaeda is stronger than ever and now has a safe haven full of nukes that's on the brink of societal collapse? That truth?
Really, I would like to know what "TRUTH" you speak of...
Oh really? what TRUTH do we have a problem with? That the surge is working, despite the fact that none of the goals of the surge have been met?
I guess he isn't aware of the GAO report.
uh..uh...it's the LEFT that's brainwashed pal..and takes marching orders from politicians, the media, environmentalists, college professors and any other idiot who can promise them government-induced utopia.
I admit: I have trouble with the truth.
I've tried again and again to get the truth into a conservative, but it just won't go. I've grabbed it with both hands and pushed and pushed. I've used a plumbers helper. I've sat with my back against a wall and used my feet to try to force it in. I've tried every orifice and nook and cranny, but it simply does not fit. The only way it seems to go is if it's distorted completely out of shape into something that bears no resemblance to it's original form, and then the righties willingly eat it up with frightening voracity.
Yes, that is the singular big problem I have with the truth.
I don't know. "W" makes it look pretty easy to catapult the propaganda into Conservatives.
That's the pose Bush always uses when he's "catapulting the propaganda". The propaganda has to go there first before it gets disseminated into RNC talking points.
Bush always uses this pose
After swallowing some rotten old prose
Catapulting the lies
With his head-butt disguise
He has waste sewage treatment that blows.
See? This is the kind of lies that NoLeftTurns was talking about. You both have taken that picture completely out of context. You purposely left out whether that was during a speech or between speeches, leaving the observer to only guess whether or not the head is going in or coming out.
No wonder Rush never gets an even break here.
Beautiful!!!
and any other idiot who can promise them government-induced utopia.
It's the competence, stupid! We don't need more government, but government that works FOR the people, instead of just for the very rich and/or politically connected.
Are you better off than you were 7 years ago?
Philibs Bud, You are correct, Rush Limbaugh is a paragon of virtue, truth and the American way. This man has been spouting only truth and justice. Never did he expouse any hatred through name-calling or anything of that nature. But it is about time that he emerge from behind the curtain and be interviewed. Now since it is in the open, people should have the right to discuss every single word of this interview. every single nuance concerning this interview just as the messiah of radio does...or his staff does...Agreed?
Now, since the drapes are open, I am sure this truthful, trusting man...wait let me disgress...Anyone remember the advertising spots done by this man concerning buying drugs illegally contributes to terrorist activity, while he was using his help to obtain illegal drugs for him? If that was the other 99% of Americans, they'd be in Gitmo.
0 leftturns, Rush is a personality, if he can't take the heat, why should YOU have to air condition the kitchen for him. Let him be a man and come out. He'd be a welcomed guest here.
Eric Boehlert writes: "The lengthy Times profile took that trend to a whole new level, because unlike most previous half-hearted attempts to outline, in very general ways, what Limbaugh says and explain why he's controversial,"
"What he really means is that INSTEAD of lying and distorting what Limbaugh says like every other article, this piece was actually an honest one."
Actually, the distorting and lying is coming from Liar Zev Cleafest, since he is a lying right wing conservative Republican who is writing a pro-Limbaugh media script play, since this is NOT an interview in my opinion, when the so-called "interviewer" is not only a right wing Republican, but also likely one of the members of the Liar Limbaugh fan club.
Next, the New York Times showed themselves once again to be a right wing conservative Republican Party controlled newspaper by running this pro-Limbaugh whitewash in their paper, and allowing a partisan Republican like Zev Cleafats/Clevats to do this "interview". I guess since they "fired" their previous Republican hackette Liar Judith Miller they needed to grab a partisan Republican from somewhere.
This is NOT an article, this is a lying pro-Republican whitewash, that was done by a lying Republican Limbaugh lover.
I'd like to see a real free for all tag team debate, Zev and his hero versis Ms. Maddow and Ms. Rhodes. You can't know the values are of much wieght unless your willing to debate for real. Something that Rush has never done.
An honest report, how does one differentiate that from a syncopant's gush.
Ed Schultz and Randi Rhodes and Thom Hartmann all take phone calls without qualifying them first. But Rush is a coward. He won't take phone calls that aren't qualified for his ease.
Hey, forget about Rush. Dallas has a new progressive radio station after 2 years of being without. That makes me very happy. In fact, gotta go, Thom Hartmann is on now. :-0) I've been in the desert for too long.
KMNY am 1360
"I'd like to see a real free for all tag team debate, Zev and his hero versis Ms. Maddow and Ms. Rhodes. You can't know the values are of much wieght unless your willing to debate for real. Something that Rush has never done."
Let's expand this debate, have Liar Zev, Liar Limbaugh, and his 2 fellow right wing liars Liar No Left Turns and Liar Philib have an eight person debate against Rahcel Maddow, Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy, and "The Black Eagle" Joe Madison. All 4 of these lying right wing maggots wouldn't last 2 seconds against any one of them.
I know for a FACT that Limbaugh's most terrified of Mike Malloy http://www.mikemalloy.com. Methinks No Left Turns is even MORE terrified of him, much like other cons are.
I hope Chafets was well compensated when he sold his capacity for critical thought before undertaking this piece. Based on this exchange with Bob Garfield on NPR's "On The Media", it seems that Chafets is suffering from a big fact-shaped blindspot:
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BOB GARFIELD: Your piece on Limbaugh was very generous, I would say even flattering. You seem to give him a pass for his excesses. And when I'm talking about excesses, I'm talking about ad hominum attacks, truly mean-spirited stuff that goes way beyond satire and into the politics of vilification, and also playing fast and loose with the truth, seizing on some news item and grossly misrepresenting it and creating a lot of hubbub, using as the kernel of his satire something that is just fundamentally untrue.
ZEV CHAFETS: Well, do you have an example of that? I'm not an apologist for Rush Limbaugh, but I'm a little bit defensive because I think that the liberal media takes such an unfair view of him.
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Uh-huh...
( http://onthemedia.org/transcripts/2008/07/04/05 )
Does every Limbaugh profile need to be a hit piece? Of course not. Should every serious Limbaugh profile at least try to convey to readers what's so controversial about the host and what he says on his radio program? Of course. And that's where the Times, rather obliviously, took the pratfall with its Limbaugh article.
I read the Times article on line several days ago. Fluff? Sure. But my beef was it didn't really get too deep beyond the surface of what most of us already know about Limbaugh...unless a critique of his home furnishings counts for anything ;-)
One thing I didn't see mentioned here in this article by Boehlert was something I got a chuckle from, & something I think most here would have enjoyed as well...Limbaugh described Bill O'Reilly as a Ted Baxter.
Gotta give Rush props for that :-)
Hey J,
My guess would be that Limbaugh had some sort of control over the final editing of the piece, otherwise he probably wouldn't have consented to do it, so that probably explains its content.
That aside, nobody gives the left fits or pushes their buttons quite like Limbaugh. They say his listeners are nothing but "herpes stricken" bobbleheaded idiots who can't think for themselves, probably can't even feed themselves.....forget the fact that many probably listen for sheer entertainment and to get a laugh or two.
Fact is he gets under liberal's skin and he relishes that. If they would be indifferent to him instead of reactionary, that is what would give him fits.
Someday the left will learn how to ignore Limbaugh.....maybe.
I didn't know that they were herpes stricken.
Tommy, I think the days of Rush getting under the libs skin is over. Does anyone notice that he is the one who combats his detractors more and more in an escalating manner? (Not necessary any longer, he got the MONEY, congrats to him)
People have caught on to the CON. The threads about him here usually point out his distortions and then the fun begins. I say insensitive things about Rush the messiah but I also understand that he has a SHOW and is in SHOW BUSINESS...Concerning his political knowledge, he is on par with everyone else, except Hartmann.
"but Rush's ideas are transmitted like herpes to more normal people....." - Col. Harlan Sanders / Tuesday July 8, 2008 1:43:16 PM
Heard it somewhere.......
Bad Colonel
I'll try to be more sensitive to the simile-intolerant.
Sorry, Tommy, I forgot to set my posting brain to "concrete". ;0)
And I will wait for another of your personal attacks.....- tommy
Poor St. Tommy, martyr of the Westside.Will his suffering ever end?
Col, If you knew what you were responding too, you wouldn't look foolish.....my "personal attack" complaint was in response to Clams whining about my attacking him last week, so it was sarcasm.
Perhaps you should stick to your cute little schtick as usual...
Sorry Tommy. I'll be sure to ask you what I'm responding to next time. I was confused, and thought I was responding to yet another of your victim-mentality whines about personal attacks, when, unbeknownst to me, I was responding to something I didn't even know about.
Keep up the good work. Vigilance ! ;0)
So you were sarcastically referencing the thread where you did nothing but call me names? And you think that this somehow makes you look good? Brilliant.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200807030001?f=s_search
do you sit in front of your computer waiting on Tommy to post so you can start some kind of long drawn argument where you get to shwo everyone your sarcasm skills? Jesus man! Let it go. Your Tommy fixation is disturbing. I hope your boyfriend doesn't know.
Chris,
I gave Clams the same talking to as you just did eons ago, but as you can clearly see his obsession with Tommy knows no bounds & borders on sick. I think Clams is a tad psycho.
Really? We're back to the "obsession" defense of Tommy again? The guy who has a hundred posts in every thread? These tired projection-by-proxy attacks might hold a little more weight in a thread where I didn't come in halfway through an in-progress discussion, and where Tommy didn't respond to everything I posted with some inane seafood joke. It also might help your case a bit if you two weren't obsessively batting bon mots about me back and forth, and recalling things you said to me years ago. Pot. Kettle. Black.
Tommy makes invalid arguments. Anyone has the right to point it out. You yourself said his opinion was "beyond a stretch" or some such just today. So your problem is just with people who recognize how incredibly often Tommy does that and hold him accountable for his behavior.
For a brief moment today I had some hope for your objectivity, but now you're back to your knee-jerk flaming of anyone who dares to insult your buddy.
This is just brilliant. You've figured out a way where you never have to address any questions put to you. If someone corners you with some inescapable truth, you just call them names, and then when they point out that you've failed to explain or answer anything of substance, you get to call that person a "whiner." And when it's pointed out to you that you're still avoiding the topic by namecalling, you simply call that person a whiner and a victim some more.
And then the real kicker is when somebody calls you a name--let's just say for instance, idiot--then suddenly you're above such behavior and you get to scold that person for name-calling.
Keep up the good work. I'm sure that whoever writes your paycheck is proud.
Fact is he gets under liberal's skin and he relishes that. If they would be indifferent to him instead of reactionary, that is what would give him fits.
Tommy, most honest folks would admit that loud Liberal outrage over Rush Limbaugh's very existence has played a huge part in his visibility...and has boosted his phenomenal popularity with the Right.
I don't know if the guy can be ignored completely, but when the Left carps too often about Rush they only help make him larger than life. And yeah I agree, Limbaugh would shrivel a tad if the Libs ignored him. But of course they never will. They give him relevance whenever they mention him.
Oh come on! The problem is that within the rules of his self contained radio universe into which the outside reality cannot intrude Rush makes all the rules. If he tells a blatant lie and nobody protests he will loudly proclaim the silence as proof of his continuing streak of 100% correctness. If there is a protest he will proclaim that those oppose him are telling lies because they fear the truth he is delivering to the special ones in his audience who know the real score. He "debates" using caricatures of an imaginary opposition and purely emotional, fact-free arguments and constantly flatters his audience to maintain their idolatry of him. This is why Rush fails in situations he doesn't control and why he would never run for office, his schtick only works under his rules and with an audience willing to buy into those rules.
This also is how Hannity and Savage work, though they are not quite as good as Rush at it. Probably because Hannity seems to actually believe his own hype and Savage has no agenda other than fame and fortune.
"I don't know if the guy can be ignored completely, but when the Left carps too often about Rush they only help make him larger than life. And yeah I agree, Limbaugh would shrivel a tad if the Libs ignored him. But of course they never will. They give him relevance whenever they mention him."
It sure sounds like you think he doesn't deserve that relevance.
"I simply said I would opt for more interesting guests were I in charge of booking appearances. I'd book Limbaugh in a hot minute! Or Coulter!"
So it's wrong for liberals to complain about Limbaugh's behavior because that gives him undue relevance, but it's just fine to give him airtime because he's interesting.
How does that work?
It sure sounds like you think he doesn't deserve that relevance.
Does it? Mind reading again Brab? It doesn't matter if I think he deserves relevance or not...you Libs give it to him every time you carp & moan over something he says.
And of course I'd book him, you guys have helped make him famous...and relevant.
So it's wrong for liberals to complain about Limbaugh's behavior because that gives him undue relevance, but it's just fine to give him airtime because he's interesting.
I don't care if you complain, though it doesn't get you anywhere--does it? But in a word...yes, I'd give him air time. The way that works Brab is that when folks are famous or interesting or relevant...then they are likely to get air-time. It's a ratings thing.
I'm not sure why that needed to be explained.
Mind reading? No, I'm talking about your tone, and your history plays a part too. The fact that you won't answer the question suggests I interpreted you correctly. And "again"? I'd love to see you show me where I've actually engaged in any mind-reading.
It's the same argument Tommy's made. Somehow liberals pointing out negative aspects of his behavior gives him credibility he doesn't earn, but giving him airtime without any negative feedback is just fine. Even if the negative stories are on websites and the promotion is reaching an exponentially larger number of people, it's the criticism that's the problem. It's nonsensical, to say the least.
I'm not seeing how his receiving airtime by you is reliant on reaction at all. Anyone can make slanderous comments whether anyone objects or not. They'd still be "interesting" for it, right? People concerned with ratings over substance could still give him relevance for that reason. The main difference I see is that the phony praise would be based on "liberals don't even try to go up against him" instead of "he drives liberals crazy!" Since that's such a minor difference, calling him out on his BS is worth the efforts.
The bottom line is that the mentality you expressed is what gives him relevance more than any reaction from anyone else. Rush was largely ignored by the left for the first ten years or so he was on the air, and he didn't shrivel up and blow away. It's just an attempt to blame liberals when the real problem is the need for higher ratings at the expense of the national dialogue.
"Someday the left will learn how to ignore Limbaugh.....maybe."
He was ignored by the left for his entire first decade on the air. Nobody was monitoring him or calling him out for his outrageous lies. This was the time period when he rose to success. So tell us again how ignoring him now will make him go away?
The A.M. radio host will be paid about $400 million to continue serving up his daily dose of conservative patter through 2016. His $50 million a year paycheck represents a raise of about $14.4 million a year over his current contract, which was paying him $285 million over eight years and was set to expire in 2009.
Yep, the monitoring of him nowadays sure is hurting him.
But you keep at it, he laughs at you all the way to the bank.
The fact that his advertisers get the listeners that they want to and therefore he got a great contract extension is not the only way to evaluate his power and influence.
Ignoring people like Rush Limbaugh did the left great harm.
I'm glad to say that you are not an advisor that the left will be looking to for advice any time soon.
Sue, I said nothing about his power and influence. Clams made the assertion that he flourished before he was called out, or whatever. I just gave you evidence that it obviously hasn't worked, in fact it has made him richer and with a fatter contract.
So all your Rush bellyaching has done just the opposite of what you hoped. The facts speak for themselves Sue, accept it.
"Holding his feet to the fire", that's rich. Exactly how are you doing that?
Let me ask you, forget his fat new contract then, what about his rhetoric? Since you claim you're holding his feet to the fire now, not like his first 10 years on the air, has he softened his stuff?, has he ratcheted down his liberal insults?, is he less offensive?, is he nicer?
The answer to all these questions is a resounding, NO - which means this "holding his feet to the fire", as you claim, has been nothing more than a pathetic defeat.
Keep up the good work.
How exactly are you measuring his influence and power now, as compared to before all the monitoring of his words began? Considering you appear to be such an expert and make these claims of yours, you must have some data to backup what you say, don't you?
Or is just being pulled out of your ....?
I've already said that Boehlert cited one practical example above. It's toward the end of the article, so I'll assume that your lips got tired and you had to stop reading before you got to it.
It's actually pretty funny that you would even challenge me on this point, seeing as how your mantra about Limbaugh has always been, "Nobody takes him seriously anymore."
The people that take him the most seriously are liberals, that is a fact. I have said that Limbaugh is ineffective when it comes to delivering votes, except maybe against Hillary.......but he is still far and away the most popular talker on radio and his impact and rhetoric in the media has not waned one iota since he has been so heavily scrutinized - so puff your chest all you want and keep telling yourself how outing his lies has made him weaker somehow.
The facts tell a different story.
As you can see I said I never said anything about his influence until Sue brought it up. You said that ignoring him doesn't work, I said outing him obviously doesn't work either since he just signed a new fat contract, you dismiss that and say people are on to him now, or some such nonsense.
The point that you keep refusing to accept is that he is as popular as ever, you can't deny that because that flies in the face of your "we are having an affect on him" narrative, or however you frame it. No, you are not, obviously.
He is emboldened by the attention, if you weren't so simple you'd see that too.
"As you can see I said I never said anything about his influence until Sue brought it up."
And this proves what exactly? That you were unclear on what the conversation was about until someone spelled it out for you?
"You said that ignoring him doesn't work..."
This is a verifiable fact. It didn't work.
"...I said outing him obviously doesn't work either since he just signed a new fat contract..."
...Given to him by Clear Channel. What is that supposed to prove again?
"...you dismiss that and say people are on to him now, or some such nonsense."
Well, it's clearly not nonsense, as one ex-Rush listener in this very thread illustrates perfectly.
"The point that you keep refusing to accept is that he is as popular as ever..."
Where exactly did I refuse to accept that? I realize that a portion of our population is made up of delusional robots who hang on his every word, giving him the highest rated talk show on AM radio. What I dispute is the reach of his power and influence beyond that bubble. And I maintain that the more his hatred and lies are exposed, the more people reject that influence.
"He is emboldened by the attention, if you weren't so simple you'd see that too."
Ah yes, and we cap off your brilliant argument with some tried and true namecalling.
Yep, the monitoring of him nowadays sure is hurting him. Tommy
The monitoring of him is having an impact. Not on his paycheck, but that's not the only way to measure his impact. In fact, his paycheck is not necessarily related in any way to his impact!
Tommy got pwned on this argument!
Hey, Jeter, you been on vacation?
Actually, I've heard K.Olbermann refer to BilldO as Ted Baxter a few times (and I don't catch Countdown on any regular basis), so you can give props to Rush if you want, but not for anything more original than the rest of the EIB.
Hey, Jeter, you been on vacation?
Did you miss me Colonel? ;-)
The wife & I [along with friends] took a cruise to Bermuda last week [got home Sunday]
Well if Keith made the O'Reilly/Baxter observation first, then props to Keith as well. Hey that hurt me to say something nice about Olbermann!!
Hey Jeter, funny you were cruising. I said just yesterday that I was sure you were cruising (and I used that exact word) other lib sites for chicks. You know since you split without a word to your cyber sweetheart :-(
Aw darlin I'd never "cruise" other sites for Liberal chicks...you are perfection, how could I ever find a better cyber sweetheart? :-)
Sorry I didn't mention my vacation plans to you. Next time I promise to give ya a heads up if I take off for a bit. You missed me eh? ;-)
Sorry I didn't mention my vacation plans to you. Next time I promise to give ya a heads up if I take off for a bit. You missed me eh? ;-)
Let's say that Lady Julia has a chill on her heart against cads who would "love her and leave her" with no warning. You might have some major canoodling to do to make up for it. I was even starting to picture you as being as attractive as Krusty the Clown.
And yes, I did miss you. But don't get a big head (just yet anyway).
If my head is a tad swelled it's because out of all the posters here, you chose me as your cyber-sweetheart :-)
As Jeff Healy once sang:
So tonight I'll ask the stars above,
"How did I ever win your love?"
What did I do?
What did I say,
to turn your angel eyes my way?
If my head is a tad swelled it's because out of all the posters here, you chose me as your cyber-sweetheart :-)
As Jeff Healy once sang:
So tonight I'll ask the stars above,
"How did I ever win your love?"
What did I do?
What did I say,
to turn your angel eyes my way?
Gulp!
Well, we'd need more privacy for me to tell you that. But I thought it was you who chose me. That's what I remember. Or we chose each other. Anyway, if you want the list of things I like about you, you'll have to email me to get it :-0) And I'm sure you'd run like a little girl the other way at the prospect of doing that.
I thought it was you who chose me. That's what I remember. Or we chose each other.
I was just one of your many suitors Julia, but in the end you tapped me to be your cyber sweetie :-)
Anyway, if you want the list of things I like about you, you'll have to email me to get it :-0) And I'm sure you'd run like a little girl the other way at the prospect of doing that.
Now that's just too funny darlin. You suggest I'm a chicken sh#t...but fail to leave your e-mail address. Is this a Liberal trick ? :-O
I've never left my e-mail address here...I'm pretty sure I'd get mostly hate mail if I did ;-)
Now that's just too funny darlin. You suggest I'm a chicken sh#t...but fail to leave your e-mail address. Is this a Liberal trick ? :-O
J2
How about juliajayne@verizon.net
Now we'll see who the chicken is, eh? Besides I want to ask you about that Bermuda cruise. I've been on many cruises but not that one. Of course that's a pretense. Sort of. Maybe. anyway, you'll never find out I'm sure. Bawk, bawk. bawk!
Oooooooh Nooooooooo ! ! !
http://images.newsquest.co.uk/image.php?id=615348&type=full
Time for Gmail ! ! !
Ha! Well that'll teach me to call your bluff ;-)
Ok you win darlin...I'm a tad uncomfortable exchanging e-mails with a hot lady who is not my wife. Mostly because I don't want my wife to catch me doing it.
Yeah yeah go ahead & laugh. I'm a chicken sh#t :-/
But we can still carry on here...she doesn't read this forum anymore. Damn I sound like a cowardly cad....
Damn I sound like a cowardly cad....
Well, at least you're still a Gurning Champion.
Ok you win darlin...I'm a tad uncomfortable exchanging e-mails with a hot lady who is not my wife. Mostly because I don't want my wife to catch me doing it. J2
Honey, sweetie, I was calling your bluff. You see I knew you wouldn't do it. I've had yopu pegged from the beginning - all talk, no action. I know guys like you. If anything were to ever possibly concretely happen, you would run the other way. But...now I'll be keeping those sweet secret thoughts in the vault and throwing away the key. Chicken!! :-0) Would have given a vain guy like you something to swell more than your head. Ha.
Hey Jeter, my heart is now so hard (after being spurned and being left without a word) that I've rewritten a narrative I once had that involved you coming to Texas to visit me. You had swapped your fedora for a cowboy hat and I was taking you out in my pick up truck to see the beautiful horse ranches here in Denton County. After we were done, I took you on some very long and lonely country roads while we listened to Toby Keith on my CD player. We stopped for a "cigarette break" and I played the Tom Jones version of "You Can Keep Your Hat On".
But the narrative now is this: I pick you up at D/FW airport and you are in a bad mood, owing to not having had a ciggy for the whole flight. You complain about the nanny state curbing you from fouling everyone else's air. I also find out that you look like Krusty the Clown.
When we get to the baggage claim, you proceed to order me to claim your bags while you step outside for a cigarette. After seeing your display, I do claim your bags and promptly check them right back on the next flight to Boston's Logan airport. And since I am very efficient I also change your flight to go with your bags. I gladly pay the penalty for the change in flight status.
BAM!
I need even more canoodling now if you're ever want to win me back :-)
Hell hath no fury...
Geez darlin I didn't scorn you...or reject you. I simply was honest in telling you that as a married man I was uncomfortable about starting up an e-mail relationship.
But I did enjoy your daydream, well at least the first part ;-)
As far as all talk, no action goes...it seems to me that all I was gonna get is um, some dirty talk from you, but no action....unless I got my ass down to Texas. Ha! Like that was ever gonna happen ;-)
Yeah I'm a flirt, & I was a hound in my youth, but I'm a happily married guy who has never strayed...except here with you.
I'll win you back. I love a challenge :-)
No worries my sweet. One of the reasons I like you is because it's obvious that you love your wife. And believe me, there's nothing hotter than a guy that loves his wife (I know, I've got one of those husbands). I recognize that in you because I have it, you see. My husband and I are a team as I believe you and your wife are. We get along great and tease each other and have lots of fun. People still think we're newly weds.
Now, that doesn't preclude me from getting really hot thinking about you. But my husband is getting the benefit of me getting worked up. But if you and I weren't attached, really, I think we would be knocking boots big time.
You know another reason I like you, Jeter? It's because I can punk you all day long. Seriously, it's so much fun. You take everything so literally. But I still think you're sweet, and I do like you for many other reasons besides the fact that I am laughing my adorable little butt off sometimes at your expense - not in a mean way. But a fun loving way. You really are a nice person who puts up with my insults with great aplomb. I give you credit for that because it shows how really nice you are. And I don't think you look like Krusty. Ronald McDonald maybe (okay, not him either).
In any case, welcome back. I owned a travel agency for 15 years so I'm familiar witht he cruises. Glad you had a good time. If we were emailing, I would tell you some of my travel experiences but alas, I do understand. You don't trust yourself around me (just kidding). Actually I don't think I trust myself around you :-0)
I hope that the two of realize that you have driven Philib over the edge with the "racy, liberal chatter". Rev. Hagee would declare this pornography. He may have to get permission to post here again. For that, I thank you. But he/she is fun on the weekends.
Jeter, your wife will never know...for a small fee.
Jeter, your wife will never know...for a small fee.
Tell me where to send the money ;-)
Hey darlin, I've been out of the office all day, just got back about 20 min ago.
You know I like ya too...for all sorts of reasons :-)
I don't mind being "punked", I know it's just your way of being playful...
Feisty, sweet, playful, intelligent. Yeah you're my perfect cyber-sweetheart. Oh except for the Lib thing, but hey I can overlook that ;-)
Did you miss me Colonel? ;-)
Terribly, Jeter. Well, mostly because it was sort of embarrassing seeing Tommy giving fist-jabs to himself.
Well Colonel I'm sure you found stuff to do with your own fist ;-)
If memory serves me correctly you once left some sick link to this fave pastime of yours...if it wasn't you, it was probably Snoop, our resident sick mind ;-)
Oh I forgot to leave my email;
manlymanbigotroll@internets.com
Come on, Jeter, man up !
But probably a smart move on not emailing JuliaJayne. I should probably tell you now that JJ is just a sockpuppet name I post under, and I'm Chris Hansen from Dateline NBC.
Then lucky me... I dodged a bullet didn't I? ;-)
Fist-jabs all around :-)
Of course. Topless right?
Sounds like a winner to me. Gawd, I wish I could quit you :-0) (not really).
Clams,
Since I don't watch Olbermann on a regular basis, & since the first time I heard that he had referred to O'Reilly as "Ted Baxter" was just today when the Colonel informed me of that fact...then no I did not give Keith props until today. And if Limbaugh compares O'Reilly to Ted Baxter as well, who cares whether he allegedly stole the idea from Keith, if in fact he did. Maybe Keith stole it from Rush? The point is it's funny. And dead on. And both guys get props from me. Not happy Clams? Go fuss about it elsewhere.
Actually, I've heard Olberman say O'Reilly was "The Frank Burns of News". That was some time ago.
But Rush isn't very inventive. I'd say he stole the general concept from KO if he called BO Ted Baxter.
Eric did not mention that limbaugh called Chelsey Clinton ugly when she was in the 8th grade. His word for ugly was "dog." Such a statment goes to the lowest of low character and had little to do with politics. Limbaugh though it was funny.
jerry
"The overall point of the piece seemed to be to document how wealthy Limbaugh is and what a powerful force he is within the Republican Party. ...the Times' ego-stroking premise that Limbaugh pulls the strings within the GOP remains laughable."
It's a mistake to deny minimize or ignore "what a powerful force he is within the Republican Party"... if the NY Times piece emphasized and defined that fact, then good: it must be a good piece, if that was its objective, and if that's what it did.
It's a great and terrible mistake, to mischaracterize what rush limbaugh does as "pulling the strings within the GOP"... the RNC pulls strings, and rush limbaugh is one of those strings: he doesn't instruct and manipulate them, but they instruct him on what political issues it is, that he is to try and manipulate us, the American People (and apparently from the excerpts here of the NYT piece, he is to then claim he is merely "instructing" us: he isn't influencing and manipulating the political opinions of the American People, he's "instructing" them is all).
It's a monumental gaffe, to overlook or otherwise dismiss the truth:
rush limbaugh uses the Public Airwaves to influence and manipulate the political opinions of the American People, for the benefit of the Republican Party.
This is an important truth, and is central to our work to reclaim the Public Airwaves for ourselves, back from the abuse that a few select and powerful broadcasters have privately made of them, to manipulate the political opinions of the American People (think IRAQ)... this truth is too important, and too timely, and too central to what it is we need to do to reclaim our Public Resource the Public Airwaves, from those who are using that Public Resource against us, for their own political purposes (think IRAQ)... don't miss this truth, or screw up its meaning and importance.
Excellent post, I'm in complete agreement. Like you, I started listening to Limbaugh in the very early '90s. I had become a talk radio addict in Phoenix and found slim pickings when I returned to Minnesota. So I started listening to Limbaugh because it was what was on.
As you said, early on it could be hard to dig up the facts that exposed all of his lies in any kind of timely manner, but I still found myself yelling at the radio with the multitude of times I did know the facts that refuted him. And, like you, I would get furious when he would manufacture ulterior motives that he would attach to the words or actions of those he was attacking.
I caught most of his shows for several years, then stopped listening over time. It was the same thing, over and over again, except that his analysis was steadily becoming more whacked out. He simply became too boring to bother with.
That's my take on him too...boring. The few times I heard his show, he spent elongated amounts of time tut tutting, sighing, saying "I told you this would happen" about some prediction he made that was fairly obvious. I didn't get why this drivel was entertaining.
One segment I heard was his then newly minted wife wishing him a happy birthday. It was a very gushy segment and as self indulgent as possible. Yuck.
I disagree with the assessment of the article. Not every piece has to be holistic portrayal of a person. Like the VF article on Clinton, this is an article that probably told much of the mainstream audience things they didn't know or appreciate about Limbaugh.
I'm not a fan of Limbaugh, but I'd be more inclined to read something I haven't read before about the guy, than another laundry list of his transgressions that I'm quite familiar with.
Actually, I feel sorry for Limbaugh. He seems to live a very empty life.
Mike Malloy, Ed Schultz, Roland Martin, Randi Rhodes, "The Black Eagle" Joe Madison, Ambrose I. Lane Senior, Bev Smith, and Clifford Kelley are 7 candidates that I know that can take Limbaugh down BIG TIME.
BOTH O'Reilly and Hannity are TERRIFIED of Roland Martin, because Martin has issued 2 sepreate challenges to BOTH men to 2 debates first on their disrespective right wing hate and lie radio shows, and then on Martin's show on Chicago's black talk radio station WVON-AM 1690 http://www.wvon.com, and BOTH of these lying right wing cowards have REFUSED to accept Martin's challenge.
Are BOTH Hannity and Limbaugh afraid of Martin, or WVON-AM 1690, or both? I say both.
Having a lying right wing Republican like Liar Zev Chafeats doing a scripted media scam piece with Liar Drugbaugh [note I am NOT using the word interview because this was not one in my opinion], reveals that the New York Times is a lying right wing conservative Republican Party controlled newspaper, and the right wing conservative New York Times is another part of the corporatist conservative Republican Party controlled news media.
As was said earlier, Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, and Mike Malloy, along with African-American talk radio hosts like "The Black Eagle" Joe Madison, Warren Ballantine, and Roland S. Martin all take calls from people who disagree with them.
Rhodes and Malloy have easily smacked down the lying right wing conservative Republicans that Liar Limbaugh and.or Liar Hannity tell to call in to their shows to harass them big time with FACTS and TRUTH, and in Malloy's case, he also throws in some well deserved INSULTS to the Republican liars who call in to his station.
Madison, Ballantine, and Martin also have the same ope door policy, but almost NONE of the conservative callers ever call in to their shows. NONE of these uncompromising black talk radio hosts screen their calls, but conservatives seem to have a greater fear of black talk radio than they fear progressive radio, and as a result, they almost never call in to any of their shows.
Here is Limbaugh's first racist comment, from 1972, as found in the archives of Fairness And Accuracy In Reporting http://www.fair.org.
Whena black caller called in to Limbaugh's show, Limbaugh told the caller "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back."
A. Since when is being portrayed as Tony Soprano "flattering?"
B. Since when is Yad Vashem referred to as "a Holocaust museum in Jerusalem?"
Those are my two interesting observations about this very interesting piece.
That's why there was no mention in the very long profile about the fact that Limbaugh has called Sen. John Kerry a "gigolo," mocked Democratic Party chief Howard Dean as "a very sick man," agreed that liberal philanthropist George Soros is a "self-hating Jew," denounced then-Sen. Tom Daschle as an Al Qaeda sympathizer, mocked anti-war crusader Cindy Sheehan, whose son was slain in Iraq, by teasing, " 'Oh, she lost her son' -- well, yes. Yes. Yes. But you know, this is [sigh] -- aaah. We all lose things."
Or that Limbaugh has claimed Democrats "hate this country" (i.e. "What's good for Al Qaeda is good for the Democratic Party in this country today"); denigrated members of the U.S. Armed Forces, calling military men and women who criticized the war in Iraq and advocated withdrawal "phony soldiers"; toasted photos of the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib as "good old American pornography"; suggested actor Michael J. Fox faked symptoms of his life-threatening illness while taping a pro-stem-cell-research commercial; called Sen. Barack Obama a "Halfrican American"; and announced Obama and Osama bin Laden are "on the same page."
Heheheheehehe....Limpo....heheheeheheh......sounds funnier every time I say it...who is richer than ALL of the posters on this site combined AND will fatten his wallet even more when he starts doing commercials FOR the Times like he did a few years back. Hey, they have to do something to save their sorry behinds and if you cant beat em.....well......hand em the grease.............
DUH??????
Thank God I do not/try not to buy any of his advertisers products. That is where he gets his money. So the dittoheads and their ilk support Rush. Who is bending over???
You liberals just continue to spread the myths as if anyone is listening. "Rush is a racist, anti veteran, insults dying people and little kids regularly on the air" if you really listened to his show, you would know this is not true. He never insults people, he does repeat the insults , usually of liberals, towards democrat politiicains like the LA times writer who called Barack the "magic negro". He made a comment about "phony soldiers" a term coined by someone else regarding people like "jessie mcbeth" who was kicked out of basic training yet claimed to be a green beret committing atrocities in Iraq. The clear fact is that Rush respects his listeners because we are the ones who make this country great. We are the producers and the employers , the go getters, who think and act positively, We creat the growth in the economy that democrat politicians like to take credit for. And rush roots for us and sets the example, by going from being a mere high school graduate to a multi millionaire after being broke numerous times, losing his job 7 times, living off his credit cards, all the while believeing in himself and pushing for excellence, while guys like you shoot him down, portray him as hateful and evil. You are "Useful idiots" to coin a term from the great leftist dictator Lenin. you will portray the real progressives who make our economy work as greedy hateful people ,while lifting up our enemies who live in failed states that spread only misery rather than prosperity.
Chafets didnt play dumb. He gave resepct to a man with little formal education who rose to the top of a profession that at one time, during the days of the "fairness doctrine" was a lost and uncompetative medium. His exorbinant salary is not the result of a vast right wing conspiracy but of a market economy working the way its supposed to by rewarding greatness.
Hey look theres a ladder. climb it ansd get over yourselves. Losers!
"Jackass, The Movie" made millions at the box office. That didn't represent anything positive about America or its people. It proved how stupid and shallow people are.
Liar Drugbaugh's success represents several INDICTMENTS against the people of this country, namely that his audience is composed of fascists, homophobes, racists, hate-mongers, sociopaths, liars, and white supremacists. All of the sorry excuses for people who listen to him are just as big or BIGGER liars and fascists and racists and likely also drug addicts than Limbaugh himself is. Limbaugh's success is NEGATIVE-BASED.
Also, Chafets' despicable act of giving deference to a lying piece of right wing criminal scum like Limbaugh is because Chafets is a right wing Republican liar himself, and Chafets' "interview" resembled more of a play-act. How long did these 2 right wing scumbags rehears to put this bogus "article" together?
Quoting the words of WVON-AM 1690's http://www.wvon.com Clifford Kelley, "Rush Limbaugh is a dope fiend!", and quoting the words of Ambrose I. Lane Senior http://www.weourselves.org, "Rush Limbaugh is a right wing criminal!"
Deep thinker, huh, well, it's deep, but it ain't thinkin he's wallowing around in.
The most interesting snippet from the lengthy cover story on Rush Limbaugh's empire by Zev Chafets in Sunday's New York Times Magazine was a brief quote from Karl Rove. "Rush is an intellectual-force multiplier," Rove told Chafets. "His listeners are, themselves, communicators." I found Rove's reference to "intellectual-force multiplier" pretty revealing because it is derivative of the Pentagon's "message-force multipliers," the phalanx of former military officers that infiltrated the corporate media in an elaborate psy-op against the American people to sell the invasion of Iraq. A "message-force multiplier" is Pentagon-Speak for a paid propagandist.
According to the article, Limbaugh received a seven-digit payout to sign a $400 million contract for the next eight years (about $38 million a year). He also controls five minutes of airtime for each hour of his show, which he sells to advertisers for undisclosed amounts, plus added charges if Limbaugh himself mentions the product, and even more hard cash if advertisers want him to work their product into one of his monologues. He owns a $54 million private jet, a dozen cars (the one he took Chafets for a ride in was valued at $450,000), plus he does lucrative speaking gigs at all of the Republicans' big events. He owns at least five homes including an opulent beachfront mansion. Life is good for Rush Limbaugh.
Limbaugh's show reaches about 15 to 20 million listeners each day, and he openly boasts that he is promoting "corporate America." He uses the public's airwaves to frame every issue so it cuts the Republicans' way.
Limbaugh's catchphrase should be: "And-Now-for-that-Woefully-Under-Represented-Rich-White-Man's-View-of-the-World!"
Too bad Zev Chafets didn't tell his readers what the average income of the average Rush Limbaugh listener is. But I'm sure Limbaugh makes more in an hour than the majority of his "Dittoheads" make in a year. He's a fabulously rich white man framing the political debate for working-class slobs he doesn't give a damn about. Limbaugh's shtick is simple: You got a grandma living in the basement? Throw her Social Security to Charles Schwab! You send your kid to public school because you can't afford anything else? Screw your kid -- break the teachers' unions! Global warming? Phewey! Lost your home? You shouldn't have signed the contract! Five-dollar gas? Let's drill everywhere especially in endangered species' habitats! Torture at Abu Ghraib? That's just letting off steam! Imprisoned without due process? You must be a terrorist! Parkinson's disease? Hell, Michael J. Fox was just puttin' us on!
And what is the biggest enemy facing America in Limbaugh's world? What's bigger than Al Qaeda? What's far more sinister than Islamo-Terrorism or Iraqi jihadis?
Why it's the Democrats of course!
But the "Left," and you can throw in all of Hollywood if you want to, and George Soros and Al Gore and Al Franken, and the rest of the liberal crowd, pool all of their muscle and influence in our society and they still don't add up compared to Limbaugh and his imitators. Add in the Rush wannabes like Sean Hannity, Mike Savage, Glen Beck, Neil Boortz, Michael Medved, Dennis Miller, Bill Bennett, Laura Ingraham, Bill O'Reilly, and so on to infinity -- plus the influence of Matt Drudge on the mainstream media, and Regnery on book publishing, and Fox News and the Murdoch empire on television -- and -- Wow! The "Left" is not even in the same league as these guys. Call it the "echo chamber" or the "vast right-wing conspiracy" or anything you want to -- but the fact is that progressive social change in this country is never going happen as long as this crowd is allowed to dominate OUR public airwaves.
Here in Sacramento we used to have an Air America affiliate, but we lost that a couple months ago, we were told, for "financial reasons." Now a city of 400,000 people with a Democratic Congressional Representative, a Democratic Assembly person and a Democratic State Senator, which is the capital of the largest "blue state" in the Union that never gave George W. Bush one electoral vote -- has ZERO progressive AM radio stations but two Far-Right Republican stations. How does that happen? A market consisting largely of liberals gets right-wing talk shoved down its throat.
I got to hand it to him, Limbaugh even managed to slip one over on Chafets by inserting some partisan lies about Barack Obama buried in a longer quote: "We . . . can't talk about his terrorist friends. . . . We can't talk about bombers and mobsters who are his friends." Chafets might have at least asked Limbaugh to which "terrorists," "bombers," and "mobsters" he was referring. But he just quotes him and moves on.
Add to your Netflix queue when you get a chance the DVD entitled: "The Goebbels Experiment," (narrated by Kenneth Branagh from First Run Features). It chronicles the rise of the Far Right in Germany and how it worked hand-in-glove with huge corporations and a wealthy elite to win elections and bring down the Weimar Republic. Joseph Goebbels recognized early on radio's power to further his political party's agenda. When you watch the documentary if you substitute the term "public relations" or "P.R." whenever you hear the word "propaganda," you'll find some recognizable patterns. Goebbels had his own "message-force multipliers," among them former officers who served in World War I, and he also had a stable of "intellectual-force multipliers."
The NY Times has not been "left-wing" for the entirety of George W. Dumbass's moronocrisy. Sorry to say it, but The Old Grey Lady has been whored out to the Republican NeoCons. Rebublican talking heads like Rush Limbduh and Bill O'Really like to pretend that the NY Times is a "Liberal Media" outlet, but the truth is that NY Times regulalrly spews that same sort of pro-war, pro-bush, anti-fact slant that Faux Noos is famous for.
Oh, and NoBrainsReturns: Do some research before you start calling people liars. The "Phony Soldiers" comment is one of the best-documented, most talked about Rush Limbduh "he's a moron" moments every. He labeled, on air, anyone who questions the Bush war policy while serving in uniform a "Phoney Soldier."
You can listen to him say it. It's not been edited to make him say something he didn't: It's only been edited for time.
Now, how is Media Matters reporting on this a "Lie"?
See, one can tell who's full of shit from who isn't when the facts are documented and it's caught on tape. That's what Media Matters does around here: They catch republicans (and others) in a lie and then let you onto their forums so you can show us that you're full of shit. Thanks for participating. Also, thanks for linking to the article (that you say is a lie) that contains a clip of Rush saying what the article reports him top have said. It was very useful in showing us just how full of shit you are.
Tony Soprano, no. General Jack Ripper, yes.
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