"Media Matters"; by Jamison Foser
Sixteen years later, media still peddle Bob Casey myth
For the past 16 years, news organizations have been repeating an obvious falsehood about the 1992 Democratic convention. According to countless news reports -- in The New York Times, The Washington Post, the Associated Press, ABC, NPR, Time, Newsweek, CNN, MSNBC, The Wall Street Journal, and on and on and on -- then-Pennsylvania governor Bob Casey was denied a speaking role at the convention because he opposed abortion rights.
That's false. And it's obviously false.
Here's all you need to know in order to know with absolute certainty that Casey's views on abortion were not the reason he was not given a speaking role: that very same Democratic convention featured speeches by at least eight people who shared Casey's anti-choice position, including Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley Jr., Sens. John Breaux and Howell Heflin, and five governors.
This is really, really simple: if there were eight speakers at the 1992 convention who were "pro-life," then it cannot logically be the case that Casey was excluded solely because of his position on abortion.
Yet here's The New York Times, just last week: "Sixteen years ago, the Democratic Party refused to allow Robert P. Casey Sr., then the governor of Pennsylvania, to speak at its national convention because his anti-abortion views, stemming from his Roman Catholic faith, clashed with the party's platform and powerful constituencies."
No. That is not true. That cannot be true. It cannot be the case that he was not allowed to speak because of his views -- other people with the same views were allowed to speak. Forgive the repetition, but reporters at nearly every significant news organization in the country are inexplicably incapable of grasping this extraordinarily simple concept. And when Media Matters pointed out the error, did the Times run a correction? No. The Times apparently stands by its transparent falsehood. That is not a sign of a newspaper that gives a damn about the truth.
Not that the Times is alone in its willingness to traffic in obvious falsehoods. The Associated Press joined in this week, embellishing the claim: "the late Pennsylvania Gov. Robert P. Casey ... was not given a marquee speaking spot at the 1992 convention because of his anti-abortion views." ABC put it similarly: "Casey ... was denied a prime speaking spot at the 1992 convention because of his opposition to abortion rights."
Those reports contained a new twist to go along with the old falsehood: They assumed that absent Casey's views on abortion, he would have been entitled to a "prime" or "marquee" speaking spot at the convention. But there's simply no reason to think that is the case. Casey wasn't a nationally renowned orator like convention speakers Mario Cuomo, Ann Richards, and Zell Miller, or the governor of the host state like Cuomo, or a leader influential with a large party constituency like Jesse Jackson.
Casey certainly wasn't a nobody -- he was the governor of Pennsylvania, and that's a significant thing. But it isn't something that would have entitled him to a speaking spot at the convention, much less a "marquee" spot. Not everybody gets to speak at a national party convention.
And based on contemporaneous media coverage from the months preceding the Democratic convention, there simply wasn't a widespread assumption that Casey would speak -- or even speculation that he might. In fact, a review of the news reports available in the Nexis database that mention Casey's name within 20 words of the word "convention" for the several months preceding the party gathering suggests that the only person suggesting that Casey might speak was ... Bob Casey himself. It seems from the public record that Casey wasn't "denied" a speaking spot because of his views on abortion -- he was never really considered, and nobody was suggesting he would be a good choice to speak. (By contrast, there were scores of news reports about Democrats wanting Cuomo to speak at the convention before an announcement was made that he would do so.)
People involved in planning the 1992 Democratic convention have long maintained that Casey was not given an opportunity to speak because he refused to endorse Bill Clinton, who was to be nominated at the convention. That's what they said at the time, too. The Washington Post's first report on Casey's request for speaking time included a quote from the Democratic National Committee's press secretary: "anyone who is speaking at the convention will have endorsed Governor Clinton by the time of the convention and Governor Casey has not."
It should be noted that it wasn't merely that Casey hadn't gotten around to endorsing Clinton. He was arguing that Clinton had only a "flyspeck" of support and that the party should consider nominating someone else at the convention.
Of course, only those involved in the decisions about who would speak at the convention know for certain if Casey's refusal to endorse Clinton was the reason he wasn't given a speaking role. But we do know that as soon as Casey asked for one, the Democratic Party publicly indicated that his failure to endorse Clinton would prevent him from speaking. If the convention organizers were making a bluff, Casey could have called it by simply endorsing Clinton. He chose not to. Instead, he began denouncing the party for having a "radical, extreme position" in favor of abortion rights and claiming it was bowing to "the radical far left." Members of his own delegation were quoted saying he was "being a jerk" and said they were considering removing him as head of the delegation.
It's also important to keep in mind that Casey didn't merely want to speak at the convention. He wanted to devote his entire speech to opposing the Democratic Party on a single issue. After the convention ended, Casey released the text of the speech he would have delivered had he been given the chance. The speech ran more than 1,000 words -- and not one of those words was "Clinton." Nor was the word "Gore" mentioned. Casey's speech did not include a single word of praise or support for the ticket being nominated at the convention he wanted to address. Instead, it accused the party of being "far out of the mainstream and on the extreme fringe" on abortion. That's what the entire speech was about: disagreeing with, and insulting, the Democratic Party on abortion.
And yet the media pretend Casey's lack of a speaking role at the 1992 convention tells us something about the Democratic Party. OK, quick: Name a single example in modern history of a Republican who has not endorsed the GOP nominee being given time to give an address at the party's convention -- an address that does not support or even mention the nominee, but rather consists solely of arguing against and insulting the party's position on abortion. You can't name one, because it has never happened. Nor do I recall many speeches at recent Republican conventions arguing in favor of gay rights or against the Iraq war. Nobody points to that as evidence of the Republicans' intolerance of divergent viewpoints.
And yet, ever since the 1992 convention, the news media have portrayed the lack of a speaking role for Casey as evidence of the Democratic Party's supposed intolerance of anti-choice politicians -- a portrayal gleefully encouraged by Republicans. As ABC reported this week:
The 1992 snub has become a symbol over the years of the Democratic Party making support for abortion rights a litmus test. In 2004, Republicans contrasted the Casey snub with California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, R-Calif., and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, R-NY., two Republicans who support abortion rights, speaking to their convention.
But unlike Casey, Giuliani and Schwarzenegger had endorsed their party's nominee. And neither Giuliani nor Schwarzenegger delivered a speech that consisted solely of disagreeing with the GOP's position on abortion. Instead, they delivered strong endorsements of George W. Bush. The situations aren't even remotely comparable. The Republicans' granting of convention speeches to Schwarzenegger and Giuliani isn't a contrast to the Democrats' not giving Casey a speech; it is instead a direct analog to John Breaux and Howell Heflin and other anti-choice Democrats who have spoken at Democratic conventions. The comparison of Giuliani to Casey would be laughable even if it were true that Casey's position on abortion kept him from a speaking role. But ABC pretended the bogus contrast was apt.
If you spend a few minutes browsing through news articles available on Nexis, you won't have any trouble finding absurdities like this. Here's one particularly convoluted comparison, from a Buffalo News columnist writing in November 2004:
Last summer's Republican conclave in New York City was a skin-deep showcase for The Big Tent.
In August, Republicans paraded a squad of pro-choice speakers on prime time. They didn't talk about abortion rights there, certainly, but their prominence beckoned to the undecided. In the VIP box sat Vice President Cheney's lesbian daughter, Mary, and her partner, Heather Poe.
Contrast these shallow bows to cross-culturalism to what happened to the party of inclusion a dozen years before in the same building. The forces of then Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton barred Pennsylvania Gov. Robert Casey from making any address to the Democratic convention.
Casey was the most influential anti-abortion voice in the nation. He passed the country's most stringent abortion controls and won re-election by more than a million votes.
[...]
Whatever one's views on abortion, it is undeniable now that the Republicans have handled their relationships with social-issue constituencies far more deftly than the Democrats have with theirs.
Got that? The 2004 Republican convention featured pro-choice speakers who didn't talk about abortion rights. And that's supposed to be an inclusive, tolerant contrast to the 1992 Democratic convention at which eight anti-choice Democrats spoke. Why? Because Casey (supposedly) wasn't allowed to give a speech that would have been entirely about his opposition to abortion. The Republicans handled things more deftly than the Democrats by doing exactly what the Democrats did -- featuring speakers who disagree with them on abortion, but who didn't give speeches about the topic.
Let's end where we began, by making this as simple as possible.
Eight Democrats who opposed abortion rights spoke at the 1992 Democratic convention.
Therefore, it cannot be the case that Bob Casey was prevented from speaking at the 1992 convention because of his opposition to abortion rights.
The fact that Rudy Giuliani, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and other pro-choice Republicans have spoken at recent Republican conventions does not in any way contrast with the way Casey was treated; their speeches were not devoted entirely to disagreeing with and insulting their party. Unlike the speech Casey wanted to give, Giuliani and Schwarzenegger devoted their convention addresses to supporting their party's nominee.
Giuliani, Schwarzenegger, and other pro-choice Republican convention speakers are, instead, directly analogous to the numerous anti-choice Democrats who have spoken at Democratic conventions in recent years.
This really isn't complicated stuff. There's no excuse for news organizations getting it wrong. They're just falling for bogus spin, and they don't care enough to get things right.
















If you think this topic isn't complicated, you need to look at the recent comment threads on other MMFA stories about it. There's a long list of commenters who fail to comprehend what happened. Either that, or they pretend the "Casey snub" really happened because doing so bolsters their partisan political stance.
1st Republic,if you don't mind, I'd like to revise your statement from "it's complicated" to "it's being complicated" by the people you referred to as not understanding (or pretending not to). From the item above;
This is really, really simple: if there were eight speakers at the 1992 convention who were "pro-life," then it cannot logically be the case that Casey was excluded solely because of his position on abortion.
Only the most determined and confused sucker can possibly still be holding to the position that Casey was excluded for being anti-abortion.
"This inane Clinton-hating on the part of so many Obama supporters will doom the Party."
- carlileb5935
Carlile,
What? There's nothing in this post, or in the comment that you responded to, that blames this lie on Obama supporters. It's a lie that's been propagated by Republican operators and their sycophants.
If I'm missing something, please set me straight. Like you, I'm no fan of the Clinton-bashing that's taken place over the last year, where everything Bill or Hill has said or done has been interpreted by some haters in the worst possible light--sometimes, but not usually, by fellow Democrats. Butt this doesn't appear to be in that category. And I think it's time for the PUMAs to get over their bitterness and support Obama, if only because John Paul Stevens is getting old enough to want to retire.
There's little evidence that PUMA's are actually Hillary supporters - they claim they are, but there's more evidence that they're McCain supporters trying to pretend they're Hillary supporters in an attempt to demean Obama.
I believe their goal was to pull in unsuspecting Hillary supporters. Those supporters have figured it out now, and realize they were pawns in a game to try to gain credibility for attacks on Obama. It's the same game some posters play here - The Wuss tried to claim that he wasn't definable as right or left recently in order to get credibility for his arguments that they don't deserve.
Do a little research - you'll see that PUMA is not what they might have seemed to be.
Reason is thus proved to be a human fiction, for if it were real it would have combusted in newsrooms across the country, burning out the minds of any journalist in its radius.
When information comes from the media that furthers the conservative agenda, then Media Matters covers it.
It matters not when that lie originated.
The lie, told today, furthers the conservative agenda by pretending that the Democrats aren't open to dissenting positions WRT abortion.
The truth is that their convention is not open to main speakers who have refused to endorse the nominee.
If Democrats weren't open to allowing other, anti-abortion Democrats to speak, that would be a thing to knock them on. The evidence shows that lie to be untrue though - they are willing to allow anti-abortion Democrats under the big tent.
The truth, that it was Casey's refusal to endorse the nominee before the convention that kept him from speaking, doesn't damn the Democrats at all. That's a reasonable decision to make.
It doesn't forward the conservative agenda to fairly portray the reason that Casey didn't get to speak.
Because it does forward their agenda to lie about it, Media Matters covers it!
They're just falling for bogus spin, and they don't care enough to get things right.
I'm not that charitable. I think they're doing it on purpose.
No one's that stupid, especially once it's been pointed out. These are just awful people, who got where they are through blind expedience. And they're also economic royalists, too, who could care less if Dems lose.
It takes great strength of character to oppose your own immediate interests. In the entertainment industry? yeah, right.
THE relatively few media companies that are responsible for nearly all the programming you see on television (specifically, programming called "political commentary": and specifically the companies Time-Warner and News Corp. and General Electric and Disney, and CBS too), those companies are neither stupid nor careless, in what they broadcast as "political commentary".
You're right, not only is this particular Casey thing intentional and with a purpose, but everything broadcast by these media companies under the guise of "political commentary" has their interests (corporate and political) behind it.
It's too much power to wield recklessly, and there's too much at stake (financially and politically) to ignore the power those media companies possess over the American People, or to cede or neglect that power away in the least bit.
Why else buy NBC as a division, as G.E. did... or why invest so heavily in the American media, as rupert murdoch has done and still does, if not to hold and use this political and financial power over the American People?
In the operation of a modern and powerful American media company today, truth finishes in third place, behind the business and political interests of those media companies (their ownership) themsleves, and also behind the political and business interests of the various other companies those media companies contract with, as sponsors and advertisers (as partners really).
The reason for this particular Casey thing right now, is to attempt to inject into the presidential campaign a certain political issue, which has so far been mostly on the sidelines: but if they could just get the danged thing into the game, it might make enough difference in swinging certain close "battleground" States Red, instead of the Blue they seem to lean to presently.
Look for this particular politcal issue to be thrust forward to the frontlines, in those "battleground" States... tonight even, maybe a few shots are fired, in the name of this particular political issue.
" It seems from the public record that Casey wasn't "denied" a speaking spot because of his views on abortion -- he was never really considered, and nobody was suggesting he would be a good choice to speak."
I guess if that's the best excuse you can come up with. Then start telling all the media and send out fliers to everyone in the nation and totally explain your beliefs. Like most the other stories, here, you can make up whatever reason you want for your thought process to handle how things are.
Personally, I don't think anyone even cares anymore except you. So, if it bothers you that much that a pro-life speaker was denied the chance to speak at your convention, you can certainly make up for it by allowing someone to speak who isn't restricted in his intended speach.
I like this following quote, (which you convieniantly only mentioned one time. You mentioned '8 other pro-life speakers spoke' about 20 times).
"Of course, only those involved in the decisions about who would speak at the convention know for certain if Casey's refusal to endorse Clinton was the reason he wasn't given a speaking role."
So, while you truthfully do not know the reason, you can pawn off any reason you want to, if it will make you feel less hypocritical. Good luck at that.
The media is asserting that Casey was denied for abortion views. MMFA is asserting that such a claim is illogical. The side that needs to prove why Casey was denied is the media, not MMFA.
"MMFA is asserting that such a claim is illogical"
Why should they provide a reason? Mmfa is the one complaining about it. Then they admit they can't even prove the reason, only guess. Just like the media is doing...just guessing. The expressed reason that mmfa gave is just as illogical as the reason the media is giving. This is just a forum that allows Foser to whine about abortion being brought to the for-front. He has NO knowledge of the reason, only theory. The media has NO knowledge of the reason, only theory. Yet Foser complains about the differing theory as if it isn't possible, while offering a similarily improbable theory of his own.
Like a true liberal, he doesn't care about facts, only his personal belief becoming accepted by everyone simply because he tells them to.
" Not theories, not guess work, but facts. In addition, if the media makes a claim or an assertion, then it falls upon them to back it up"
Is mmfa part of the media? What are they promoting--fact or theory?
MMFA is not a part of the media; they're a media watchdog group.
And if you read the piece with the slightest bit of comprehension, you would know that MMFA is not promoting a theory or a fact. They're saying what the media is reporting is nonsense based on certain facts.
"MMFA is not a part of the media; they're a media watchdog group."
They are a media opinionating web site. They even claim being part of the media in their title. They are not a watchdog group since they only watch part of the media. They do provide misinformation-just like the media, they are politically connected-just like the media and they won't print what shows they are wrong-just like the media. If it slithers like a snake, hisses like a snake and molts like a snake... it must be a snake.
They are a media opinionating web site.
False.
They even claim being part of the media in their title.
False.
They are not a watchdog group since they only watch part of the media.
All watchdog groups have their own specific niche.
They do provide misinformation-just like the media,
False.
they are politically connected-just like the media
False. If they were, they would lose their tax-exempt status.
and they won't print what shows they are wrong-just like the media.
Click on the correction's link at the bottom of the page.
If it slithers like a snake, hisses like a snake and molts like a snake... it must be a snake.
But they don't slither like a snake, hiss like a snake and molt like a snake. They're the natural predator of certain snakes.
I have two pieces of paper. One is blue and the other is red. Which is more yellow?
Is that the theory of your stance on believing what Foser is saying as fact as opposed what the media is saying as fact?
MMFA puts forth a counter theory and gives reasons A B C as to why the medias theory is illogical. So it seems to me that at least MMFA attempted to back it up.
The Media?....
"The expressed reason that mmfa gave is just as illogical as the reason the media is giving" -- sorry, but MMFA's reason is vastly less illogical than the media's.
Foser tried telling you this is really easy, but your hand needs to be held. So...
The media's reason has no evidence for it. It has a ton of evidence against it.
MMFA's reason has evidence for it (similar policies at other conventions, not to mention common sense). It has zero evidence against it.
You must watch the media, because facts and logic make no impression on you. You see equivalence where there is only the merest similarity. Turn off the news. It's rotting your brain.
So, while you truthfully do not know the reason, you can pawn off any reason you want to, if it will make you feel less hypocritical. Good luck at that.
We don't know the reason for sure, but we know what the answer is NOT!
Other people said that the reason that cannot possibly be true, was true.
"We don't know the reason for sure, but we know what the answer is NOT!"
Well I can say I know the reason is NOT because he was going to lambast Clinton. And now, I'll whine about Foser not promoting MY stance on what is NOT the reason until everyone believes me.
What kind of looney tune thinks because their reason is better than someone elses reason that only they can be right even though this looney tune admits no varifiable reason? Want some help with that answer?? A liberal!!
I can't even decipher your reply.
We know that answer is NOT that Casey was banned because of his anti-abortion stance. It can't be, because othe anti-abortion people did get to speak!
The newspaper said that it was because of that anti-abortion stance.
Ergo, Media Matters pointed out that newspaper story because it forwards the conservative agenda that it WAS because of his anti-abortion stance.
This is really simple.
I can't even decipher your reply. (Bottleblond, to Philib)
I thought it was just me. This is the determined zombie sucker I mentioned in a post earlier in the thread. I told myself I was done with this topic,as repeatedly explaining something so simple to people fighting with all they've got to not get it isn't a real good use of time.
Philib has made it newly fascinating to me. It's like he had the talking points, which work just fine in the vacuum of wingnut world, where they're unopposed. When faced with the facts, he's tried to back into those talking points using some of the most twisted reasoning I've ever witnessed. Stunningly thick.
If you call yourself "PHILIB" (where one assumes the "LIB" stands for liberal) and then you post thick-headed or disingenous criticisms of liberals, you've pretty much outed yourself as a concern troll.
And about this:
The point of the article, if you re-read it, is that it is false to assert that Casey was denied a speaking roll because of his anti-abortion stand. So we are unable to know that what went on in the minds and private conversations of people who made the decision. Fine. This isn't a huge revelation and doesn't make this a special case. Why should one emphasize this? For whom is this convincing evidence? When all the evidence in the particular case and our prior assumptions about human behavior point to one conclusion -- that he wasn't given a chance to speak because he was going to use the opportunity to harm the party's chance of success -- then that's what you go with. If, knowing this evidence, you insist on another specific conclusion because there's a possibility that the default conclusion is wrong, you are self-deluded, irrational, stupid, dishonest, or some combination of the four.
Will not see the evidnece, or cannot see the evidence?
Enitire body of evidence discarded because of a progressive source, or to good a chance to vent your spleen, to be passed up?
You can lead a horse to water, but just try and make him drink cake.
"Dam the whole stumbling middle class! They don't have to have any brains...so.. I don't have to have any brains either! Go mess arround with that one on the desert!"
There are two strange elements of this meme that perplex me...
<> - There is almost a desperation for Repub operatives and their MSM parrots to find something negative about Dems, even though this is 16 YEARS OLD.
<> - Plus is the MSM preferring the side that is anti-choice? Is it part of a 'Handmaiden's Tale' future shock? <>If the only reason Casey was denied a speaking spot was because of his pro life stance, it doesn't make sense, and it doesn't fit to the rest of the data points pulled from this convention.
The fact that Philib fails to see this really astounds me. I'm sure that there will be others in here at some point in time that don't understand that information, dare I say, the FACTS about the convention, and will discard them as being some sort of Clinton plot to rule the world and all.
Here's my theory. Casey didn't get to speak at the convention because from everything I read, he sounds like an a-hole.
"The fact that Philib fails to see this really astounds me."
Other pro-lifers spoke at the convention...yes. Maybe they didn't want another one speaking. Maybe it was because of his disdain of Clinton. Maybe it was a different reason. As pointed out in the provided (by Foser) statements, only the people involved know the 'real' reason. Foser and the media are simply guessing. ONLY guessing. Foser's reason is no more valid than the reason expressed by the media, and no more invalid. The FACT you and others don't see this astounds not only me, but others who have an independant thought pattern and aren't bound by what they are told to think by others.
"Here's my theory. Casey didn't get to speak at the convention because from everything I read, he sounds like an a-hole."
Which could very well be the (another) reason. But, that choice isn't offered by Foser, he directs the readers to HIS opinion as being the only other choice.
We don't know for sure the real reason. We DO know that it was NOT because he was anti-abortion.
That's the relevant fact that you continue to dance around. I wiped the floor with you on the Limbaugh/abortion posting and I've done the same here on this posting.
Go lick your wounds and come back another day and spew the same crapola.
Bottle:
Arguing with phillib is kind of like trying to teach a pig to sing. It frustrates you and confuses the pig ... :)
His mind is made up. He's got his Limborg talking points so he's good to go. Don't confuse him with the facts .. :)
Phil
You demolished the argument that Casey didn't speak there because of his pro-life views yourself when you said "Other pro-lifers spoke at the convention...yes." It makes no sense to claim that he was denied a speaking role because of his pro-life views if they let other pro-life speakers have a platform. What is difficult about this?
"That's false. And it's obviously false. "
That's the opinion of Foser. Can he prove it? NO! But many, here, don't think he needs to. Foser admits that he doesn't know because he wasn't among those who made the decision. So, what's his beef? That he doesn't like the prominently accepted reason? So what? It isn't his position to tell others what the reason is if he can NOT claim knowledge of the 'real' reason. Period! You all can believe him if you want, others (who think for themselves) don't.
5 > 3. 600 > 3. Therefore 5 = 600.
Please, please see the analogy. I'm hitting my head on a wall here.
"There was also a minor flap when Ron Brown refused to let Governor Bob Casey speak to the convention, not because he wanted to speak against abortion but because he wouldn't agree to endorse me. I was inclined to let Casey talk, because I liked him, respected the convictions of pro-life Democrats, and thought we could get a lot of them to vote for us on other issues and on my pledge to make abortion 'safe, legal, and rare.' But Ron was adamant. We could disagree on the issues, he said, but no one should get the microphone who wasn't committed to victory in November. I respected the discipline with which he had rebuilt our party, and I deferred to his judgment."
If you or the media want to gainsay that, you'll need to bring support. MMFA's reason is better than the media's reason.
Yeah, but Foser DIDN'T use THAT reason, did he?? Obviously, that reason is out there, and Foser is supposed to be a learned writer. Obviously (again) he isn't.
That's the EXACT reason Foser used - that Casey was not allowed to speak because of his opposition to Clinton, not because of his anti-abortion views.
I think at this point you're just trolling, you cannot really be this dense.
"That's the EXACT reason Foser used - that Casey was not allowed to speak because of his opposition to Clinton, not because of his anti-abortion views. "
Oh? Perhaps you can point out where he said that. I saw that he stated "other people" thought that, but I don't see his theory being that. Foser simply states what can't be the reason...all the while saying that nobody REALLY knows.
Annes; stop whining and try to stay on topic.
Faced with a fact, Phil has turned tail and run away.
Thanks, STEVE!
This stuff drives me crazy!
When Casey's son endorsed Obama the pundits pointed out repeatedly that his father had been denied a speaking spot so this was a good payback, a twisting of the knife etc. (not in those words necessarily.) to be able to endorse someone against a Clinton.
Someone else posted something about Clinton hate and while the article doesn't go there I have to admit my first thought was that incident and the incessant need to somehow slight, demean, cast aspersions on all things Clinton-- even when they are complimenting him or her there is always a back hand to it.
I'm probably reading too much into it... yet... there may be the media's ongoing Clinton demonization under the surface.