McCain and Palin are laughing at the press -- and it's the press' fault
Chris Matthews was steamed.
As John McCain's manufactured "lipstick on a pig" story was taking flight last week, Matthews, host of MSNBC's Hardball, kicked off the hour by teeing up the story. In a note to viewers that telegraphed his disdain for the lipstick controversy, he announced that during the show, he'd share his own thoughts "about how, with a troubled economy, crumbling bridges, rail and roads, a failing educational system, a war that is now going on for five years, and an uncertain American economic future, we're sitting here talking about lipstick."
Later, he complained the story was "an insult to the intelligence of our democracy."
Did you hear the media are mad? According to Howard Kurtz at The Washington Post, the press is angry at McCain for his patently untrue lipstick attack ("It's false. It's ridiculous"), and they're seething over how Sarah Palin keeps telling her demonstrably false Bridge to Nowhere tale even after members of the media pointed out her stump-speech applause line was a lie. (A "whopper.")
During the past week, virtually every major news outlet has produced welcomed, hard-edged fact-checking pieces about how the Republican ticket goes far beyond bending the truth and just plain snaps it out on the campaign trail.
In the past, that kind of truth-telling would have embarrassed campaigns and likely caused a dramatic change in the rhetoric. But what do McCain and Palin do in response? They pretty much ignore the press and its critiques.
Writing on The New Republic's website, Eve Fairbanks spelled out the conundrum, capturing the dumbfounded realization that spread through the press corps. It's like that scene in a movie when the superhero realizes his unique power (for the press, it's collective indignation) has suddenly been rendered useless:
Reporters demolished the claim that the Palin opposed the Bridge to Nowhere, and yet the McCain campaign insolently still uses it. Writers dismantled the McCain campaign's untrue assertion that Barack Obama compared Sarah Palin to a pig yesterday, and yet the campaign put out an audacious ad featuring the ridiculous allegation, presumably on the assumption that Real Americans don't care what the elite press says anyway.
Instead of recoiling, the Republican ticket seems to have adopted a post-press approach to campaigning in which the candidates simply don't care what the press does or says about their honesty. More to the point, the candidates don't think it will matter on Election Day.
They may be right. And that's the media's fault. They've reported their way right into the margins. Submerged in trivia and tactics for the past 18 months, the press, I think, has damaged its ability -- its authority -- to referee the campaign.
Proof? Let's go back to the pissed-off Matthews for a perfect example. Raise your hand if, in the past six months, you've seen an entire episode of Hardball devoted to discussing our "troubled economy," the sad state of America's transportation infrastructure, the failings of our educational system, the never-ending war in Iraq, or the "uncertain American economic future."
Matthews claimed those are the key issues that face our country and, by implication, are what are important to this campaign. Yet Matthews hosts a cable news program that pretty much refuses to discuss those issues.
Remember, Matthews is part of the same Beltway press crowd that told news consumers Hillary Clinton's laugh was extremely important and needed to be analyzed for clues about her true character, that John Edwards' haircuts raised serious doubts about the man's candidacy, and that Barack Obama's bowling score spelled trouble on the campaign trail.
And it wasn't that long ago that the campaign press stressed how important it was that John Kerry windsurfed and that Al Gore spent time as a politician's kid growing up in a Washington, D.C., hotel. These were issues of paramount concern for the media.
I think when journalists wallow in that nonsense for so long and pretend it's newsworthy and important, the coverage of a truly important story (e.g. what the media have now identified as the Republican candidate for president trying to lie his way into the White House) comes across as just another trivial pursuit. For news consumers, it comes across as just more forced cable chatter because there's no seriousness left in the entire endeavor.
Again, just look at the absurdity of Matthews' performance. He basically devoted an entire program to addressing the question of whether McCain's camp really thought Obama was referring to Palin with his lipstick comment. The entire program. And then within minutes, Matthews announced that the story insulted everyone's intelligence.
Obvious question: So why spend an hour talking about it?
And that was just Matthews' program. The entire charade was repeated everywhere across the Beltway landscape.
Fact: Between Monday and Friday of last week, CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC aired more mentions of "lipstick" than they did "Fannie Mae." You know Fannie Mae, that's one of the two distressed mortgage giants (along with Freddie Mac) that the federal government had to take over last week in order to fend off insolvency, an unprecedented move that was fraught with dire economic repercussions.
But yes, the lipstick story was more newsworthy on cable television last week. It wasn't even close. Lipstick was mentioned more than 350 times, while Fannie Mae was mentioned approximately 230 times, according to TVEyes.com.
Were some of those lipstick mentions on TV made while criticizing McCain's empty ploy? Absolutely. (See NBC's Chuck Todd.) But that still didn't excuse the media's Pavlovian response to the McCain whistle, of embracing and spreading the phony story in the first place. The proper response would have been to essentially ignore the so-called story and keep moving. Or to note that McCain's camp tried to float the phony lipstick story. But turning the soggy affair into the day's top news event was an embarrassment.
The media's failure to do so wasn't surprising. The press throughout this race has walked away from any semblance of traditional standards, yet journalists seemed oblivious to the long-term implications of their chronic embrace of fluff.
Why their embrace? Because that's what the media feel most comfortable with; that's what they're good at. (They think.) They're good at speculating for weeks on end about who might be selected as a candidate's running mate and what that hypothetical matchup would mean on Election Day. They're good at ruminating about polls. They're good at trying to read politicians' minds.
But now we're seeing the dire consequences -- when the press wants to inform voters about outrageous campaign conduct (like the Bridge to Nowhere, McCain's untrue claim that Obama plans to raise "your" taxes, or even in the margins the lipstick fiasco), the press no longer wields the same authority, in part because the political press has consciously folded its work into the larger entertainment culture.
Honestly, do voters really (I mean really) see that big of a difference between reading about Sarah Palin in People and reading about her in Newsweek, whose 2008 campaign coverage often has been driven by an open, breathless embrace of celebrity and entertainment? I'm not so sure voters do.
As for actual issues, the media p acked those away for safe keeping sometime right around the New Hampshire primary. Ever since, it's been T&T; trivia and tactics have ruled the print pages and airwaves.
Don't get me wrong. I welcome the media's current fact-checking blitz. It's desperately needed in light of the fact that "the McCain campaign keeps making assertions that anyone with an Internet connection can disprove in a minute, and repeating these assertions over and over again," as New York Times columnist Paul Krugman helpfully pointed out.
The press should maintain its fact-checking vigilance while avoiding future lipstick non-stories. Shedding the obsession with trivia and tactics in favor of substantive reporting would go a long way toward restoring the public's trust and would help the media's smart fact-checking efforts stand out and be noticed more.
But right now, I think the press' frustration and anger, as Kurtz documented, reflects the disturbing realization among reporters and pundits that their protests have had little effect on McCain and Palin or the larger campaign. (Did you notice the Bridge to Nowhere tale returned to Palin's stump speech?)
Rather than being cowed by the press' mini-sermons about truth-telling, McCain and Palin are practically laughing at the press.
Can you blame them? Can you blame any sane observer for dismissing so much of today's campaign coverage as nothing more than a farce? How could the McCain camp watch the Matthews episode and not laugh out loud at the sheer clownishness?
To recap: The MSNBC host, along with the rest of the press corps, seemed to be in heated agreement that the lipstick story was a worthless joke. And then they covered it ad nauseam. Why would the McCain camp look at that performance and think that political journalism was a serious business? Why would the McCain camp look at that sad display and care what the press said or thought about anything (including fact-checking) as long as the press dutifully spread around McCain's campaign smears?
The campaign press has become a joke, and McCain and Palin are laughing at it.
McCain spokesman Brian Rogers could not have been clearer speaking to Politico: "We're running a campaign to win. And we're not too concerned about what the media filter tries to say about it."
How did we enter this new media era in which general-election candidates McCain and Palin have made it quite clear they don't even care (at least not yet) if the press calls them liars, which used to be the ultimate scarlet letter for any candidate?
It's not only because the press corps no longer enjoys enough respect and credibility -- enough authority -- to pull the righteous indignation drill effectively. It's also because the press hasn't extracted a price from McCain or Palin for broadcasting lies.
Sure, reporters and pundits gnash their teeth and express deep disappointment at the direction of the GOP campaign. But openly ridiculing the GOP candidates as pols who can't be trusted to tell the truth, or portraying them as delusional? Not a chance. That's the type of mockery the press reserves exclusively for Democrats accused of bending the truth.
Writing at his blog on the Atlantic website, James Fallows noted the similarities between Palin's Bridge to Nowhere fantasy and Hillary Clinton's snipers-in-Bosnia fa ntasy from the primary season. He wrote:
In Senator Clinton's case, the more often she repeated the story, the more relentlessly the press said the story was not true. All parts of the press did this: right, left, middle. They didn't say that there was a "controversy" about her story. They said it was false. And eventually she bowed to the inevitable and stopped telling the story any more.
Fallows actually soft-peddled the press' take on the Bosnia story. Because rather than simply "relentlessly" announcing the story was not true, lots of press players used the tall tale to emphasize that Clinton was craaaaazy. Hysterical. Irrational. Unhinged.
Perhaps that was the media's right. (Candidates roll out whoppers at their own peril.) But if the press thought Clinton's fabrication was telling about her character, why don't journalists make the same assumption about Palin, who keeps repeating her fabricated tale?
And good God, imagine if Al Gore had ever uncorked a whopper like that while campaigning in 2000. As The Daily Howler wrote, "If Gore had ever told stories like these, he would have been hung from the nearest tree."
Either that, or Matthews' head would have exploded. Because let's not forget that during the 2000 presidential campaign, the press couldn't stop writing, investigating, and carrying on about Al Gore's alleged exaggerations regarding old movies, canoe trips, and classroom seating inside a Sarasota school.
Pundits argued that Gore's embellishments all but disqualified him from serving as president. Hooked on the story, reporters s pent an extraordinary amount of time checking in with experts -- psychoanalysts, academics, political scientists -- trying desperately to figure out what all the exaggerations meant.
The Washington Post, one month before the 2000 election, ran a Page One piece exploring Gore's exaggerations -- "casual lying" the newspaper called it -- in which two reporters combed through decades of public statements. I've searched the Washington Post archives and cannot find a single reference to Sarah Palin's "casual lying."
Instead, the press coverage suggests that McCain and Palin's lying simply represents a tactic -- a campaign maneuver -- and that the fabrications reveal nothing of their character.
No wonder they're laughing at the press.
















I still think Boehlert misses a key point here. As he even points out, the media reported from the beginning the idea that the lipstick story was a distraction. That was made clear from the start. It can’t be denied however, that there was interest in the story. People were talking about it, and it was news. Only Obama knows for 100 percent certainty if the remark had anything to do with Palin. Boehlert seems to be advocating that only news stories which he deems to have merit are worthy of discussion. I believe the voters can hear it all, and determine for themselves what is important.
When Gore claims so to care so much about being green, and then buy a 100 foot house boat, when Kerry claims to relate so much to the common man, and looks so ridiculous wind surfing, it is a story. It is not the most important story, but it is a story. People have always wanted, and will always want a president they can relate to. It is that basic and that simple. If you wonder where the believe the elite media comes from, it is stories like this.
...the lipstick story was a distraction. That was made clear from the start. It can’t be denied however, that there was interest in the story.
The Media should focus on distractions, but only if they're distracting. Gotcha.
POV,
If people were only talking about the story it was only because the media wouldn't shut up about it. They [media] kept it alive. I didn't hear anyone in my circle of friends or co-workers mention it until it became the lead off story on most cable shows. Then you couldn't ignore it. Most felt it was a non-story.
IMO, Obama was not giving Palin a dig. But we are all entittled to our opinions on that of course.
Obama was not giving Palin a dig. But we are all entittled to our opinions
Sexist pig.
Ha! oops. my mind must be elsewhere ;-)
NO POV........
"Only Obama knows for 100 percent certainty if the remark had anything to do with Palin"
I know it, everyone else knows that for sure the 'lipstick' comment had NOTHING to do with Palin!! Perhaps you know it too... you just don't want to admit it?
Read the damn context! You do know what that is...... don't you POV? or are you purposely being a moron for the sake of idiocy?
POV,
2 things:
1) Common men don't look ridiculous windsurfing?
2) Where was the uproar when McCain used the term about Hillary's health care policy? Were you of the opinion it was a dig on her personally?
People have always wanted, and will always want a president they can relate to.
Not me...I want someone waaay smarter than myself, not someone to watch football with. Wanting a president you can "relate to" is the kind of dumbed-down, People Magazine bullshet that gives us unqualified elected officials and poorly run government. And on the national level, poorly run government is the kind of thing that gets us into dumb, unnecessary wars and destroys the economy. But, hey, if you want someone who could play Guitar Hero with on your Wi don't let me stop you...
That was one of the funniest lines Tina Fey delivered. Cracked me up! Everytime I hear it I laugh just as hard as I did the first time she said it. That skit was priceless.
Actually I think Tina is about as qualified to be VP as Palin :-O
Loved it! Blank stares and all.
I thought it was treasonous for any state to secede from the union. And as far as "ties to people who spread hate" goes, you might want to check out these little tid-bits from the AIP founder Joe Vogler:
"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government"
"And I won't be buried under their damn flag"
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/aip_founder_professed_hatred_f.php
It seems that guilt by association only works for Obama.
You said, " But it is one thing to support independence of a state ( which is not a crime ) and another thing to be tied to criminals and people that spread hatred."
You have been shown that Palin has been as associated with haters as much as anyone. I guess what you meant to say was that it's one thing when a Democrat has these associations and another when a Republican does.
The entire Republican Party is an insult to the Constitution, so forgive me if I have no patience for little two faced whiners who believe in their gut that its worse for Obama to have associated with shady characters than it is for Palin. I don't care either way. I didn't care when Hannity and friends were making hay out of Rev. Wright and I don't care now about Mr. Palin's pals. It's the hypocrisy of the right that fouls my belly.
And please. Don't bother with the holier than thou schtick about terse language. I will not become more passive to make you feel better about supporting the tenets of the failed conservative ideology.
If the media had been beating AIP into the public consciousness like it did with Ayers, Wright, and Rezko I doubt that any "Independent" could dismiss Palin's "ties to hate"
as easily as you have.
So Palin is a qualitifed genius and Obama is a dirt bag politician. Here's a tip...go insane first. It makes bending over backwards to defend the indefensible a lot easier.
You are so full of CRAP!!
The "media" hasn't said WORD ONE about Ayers or Resko -- maybe a little more on Wright. Outside of one question Obama got in a debate with Hillary about Ayers that has been it!
These phony reporters refuse to investigate as they are in the tank for St. Barack.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808250011?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808220019?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808220007?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808210008?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200806110007?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200806110007?f=s_search
AYERS:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808270006?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808260020?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200804280004?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200804220001?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200808250002
I know, I know they're all MM links. But the CONTENT is legit. That is to say, it was being discussed in the media.
So the next time you wanna tell me I'm "full of CRAP", and that the media "hasn't said WORD ONE about Ayers or Resko", maybe you should get your facts straight.
Please, dude. I know you don't like Obama, but to suggest that he's gotten a free pass by the media is ludicrous. And if the AIP vs Rezko/Ayers/Wright coverage isn't enough to at least make you pause, then we'll just have to disagree. Not like it's going to change your mind anyway.
(sorry for the double post)
noleftturns:
See, here's how it works: when you lie and you are obviously lying ("The sky is plaid" "The media hasn't said WORD ONE about Ayers or Resko...") then you can't expect people to believe you.
Skettle, you say "Ayers/Wright/Resko are bigger problems for Obama then Palin's husband being part of the Alaska independence party." Let's get logical for a minute. Why blame Obama for the faults of his acquaintances? Oh, right, for political gain and political expediency. Because you righties need SOMETHING, otherwise Hannity's "Stop the evil democrat express" wouldn't run.
Up until last spring, Hannity couldn't decide who to aim his express at. Those were comical days. Now he works full time to develop the case against Obama and if you are listening, you are bathing in KoolAid. If Hannity could get away with it he'd claim that Obama killed Vince Foster!
Yeah, those AIPer's have no hatred for America. Just ask their founder, Joe Vogler.
"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." Then there's "The fires of hell are glaciers compared to my hate for the American government. And "The problem with you John Birchers is that you are too damn liberal!"
You're basically a phony, skettles. You don't fool anyone.
"Bod Bless America... No God Damn American".
"The United KKK States of America"
"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."
You seem to reserve your contempt for Democrats who have shady characters in their past. Where's you outrage at Republicans for the same stuff?
Phony.
It's you being a hypocrite. It's the Republican Party being full of hypocrites.
That's what's "phony".
Don't presume to know that I am a blind partisan, Democrat. I am a populist progressive, not some wishy-washy centrist or independent. As such, I have damn little use for most Democrats. I will, however, defend Obama from Republican attacks because, despite my apprehensions regarding much of Obama's neo-liberal stances, I know that with Obama the working man stands a better chance than with any market fundamentalist conservative.
Wright was Obama's minister. It is clear, it is a fact, that Wright went over the top every once in a while, but Obama had no control over that. You right wingers think Obama should have left his church years before you drove him out of Wright's church, but I don't see why. A church is defined by much more than a few minister-gone-wild moments. There's a huge community, potlucks, bible study groups, youth groups, the donut hour, shared testimonys and other shared deep spiritual experiences, baptisms, handshakes, shared concern over sick kids and the old folks, bake sales to raise money for some kid with cancer and no health insurance.
IMO it has been reprehensible of you righties to use Obama's minister and church against him. You folks basically ran the Obamas out of their own church with your incessant attacks on his minister. What you've done, for political expediency, is truly evil. You and your fellow Hannity listeners perpetrated monumental genuine evilness for political gain. Your evil behavior doesn't have to be compared to any dead AIP founder's actions to be recognizable on its own demerit as you right wingers being completely blind to the deepness of your own evil. And if you believe in God, you ought to be wondering if and how much God will make you answer for attacking a minister and driving the Obamas out of their church.
"Bod Bless America... No God Damn American".
"The United KKK States of America"
Skettle, if you get back here, what is your understanding of these words? What was Rev. Wright saying with these statements , in your opinion?
Bod Bless America...
So that's why Palin put the tanning bed in her house!
I mean they might. But it is one thing to support independence of a state ( which is not a crime ) and another thing to be tied to criminals and people that spread hatred. Listen it's a problem for the independents, people don't like those types of ties.
What a dishonest punk you are.
First off, it is a crime to support secession like the leaders of the AIP do. It's called treason - it's actually about the most serious crime there is!
Secondly, Obama's only tied to "criminals and people that spread hatred" by dishonest punks like you. Tying someone to another person and then drawing conclusions about one person because of the behavior of the other person requires, if one isn't a dishonest punk like you are, links between the dishonest person's behavior and the person you're linking them to.
There's no link between Rezko's illegal behavior and Obama. There's no link between Ayers criminal past as a domestic terrorist and Obama. There's no link between his minister's few seconds of questionable comments, snipped from years of sermons, and Obama's stances on any issues.
The only reason this is an issue for independents is because Karl Rove does such a bang-up job at being a really, really dishonest political punk. He's figured out how to mislead and deceive in ways that the Democrats don't fight against well.
Truly informed voters won't stomach this kind of dishonesty. True Americans don't either, but you've already proven you're not a loyal American who cares about your country. McCain will lose all his honor to win an election. You and he have no shame.
Has a nice ring to it.
Stay hard as nails, bb.
POV wrote:
>>Only Obama knows for 100 percent certainty if the remark had anything to do with Palin.
Yes, that is exactly right, which is why the claim that he referred to Palin is a 100% lie. The McCain camp claimed with certainty that McCain referred to Palin.
If we want to play your game, we can take a line by McCain and show that he wants to eat babies. We can hype the story so that everyone is talking about it. Then we can say that because everyone is talking about it, it must be news. And then we can defend the lie by saying that no one can be 100% sure what McCain really meant.
It is not the press's role to further smears.
"that Palin was not being referred to as a pig in any way, shape, or form."
I've said this before...but I can't help but think of it everytime this comes up: it's ABSOLUTELY hilarious to me that Obama mentions a "pig in lipstick" and the FIRST PERSON the R's think of is Palin!
No one needs to read his mind.
And no one needs to tell us that you're a dishonest punk.
Of course it was a mistake. I think he thought it would be a little laugh line and had no idea it would have the legs it has. Just look at the reaction of the crowd if you don't believe me. THEY thought it was a dig!
I like the link in this on tactics:
Mr. Obama and his campaign have seemed flummoxed in trying to figure out how to deal with her. His aides said they were looking to the news media to debunk the image of her as a blue-collar reformer,
"looking to the news media"...
Obama needs to wake up to the fact that the fourth estate can't deliver for the Dems like they did 20-30yrs ago. Obama needs to do the heavy lifting for himself.
Tbone wrote:
>>THEY thought it was a dig!
Wow! Can I have your magical TV? Because I only saw that the crowd laughed--not that they thought it a dig against Sarah.
Come over any time...you bring the booze.
Any thoughts on the link I posted out of the article about Obama wanting the media to carry his water for him?
When it first was said, the rightie commentators said that it was clearly directed at Palin because the audience was in on the joke, because they all laughed after he said it.
Of course, then we saw McCain say it 6 months ago and saw others say it, and it's funny, but all the audiences laugh when they hear that comment! It has nothing to do with the audience linking it with Palin. It's funny because it is a funny way to ridicule a person or an idea.
Skettle wrote:
>>Fact of the matter is nobody here can read Obama's mind.
Yes, no kidding! I already pointed out that you are correct, and because you are correct, no one can claim that Obama meant Sarah Palin. If you can't read his mind, then why are you trying to do just that? And why did the McCain camp do that?
The crap about the teleprompter is just speculation on your part.
You've already chided gore and Kerry for their "elitism".
Did you vote for Nader in 2000 and 2004? He was the only one of the three candidates who was close to being a "common man".
You couldn't have voted for GW, since he was born to money and power. He was protected and had powerful people make excuses for him his entire life. He most certainly was the candidate that working people could relate to the least.
Now you imply that voting for the son of an admiral, who himself was the son of an admiral, someone who has had and will have cradle to grave government benefits. A man who dumped his first wife for a rich beauty queen and has no clue what working people go through to get by, is voting for someone like us.
Most of us are the children of people who wore stripes, not bars, and who filled the trenches of Europe and the jungles of the South Pacific, the snows of the Korean Peninsula and later SE Asia. People who punched a clock and carried lunch pails and paper bags.
Most of us are a lot closer to someone like Barack Obama than we are to John McCain.
You're dealing in perceptions, not reality. Perceptions created by the media and the RNC.
Most of us are a lot closer to someone like Barack Obama than we are to John McCain.
You're dealing in perceptions, not reality. Perceptions created by the media and the RNC.
To the media and the RNC I’d add a key party to the creation of perceptions---ourselves. I submit a large swath of Americans have dramatically changed in the last few decades. We/they see themselves as being at a higher station in life than they in fact are. They identify with the bigshot because they think that they themselves are bigshots, or are likely to make it big in the future. In days past Americans knew their place and were proud of it. Humility was a virtue not a weakness. Now the GOP provides them the one country club they can afford and are allowed into.
Direct hit, Eddy. I started noticing this during the Reagan years. People I knew who had a mortgage and two car payments had started voting republican. Considered themselves "haves" and not "have-nots", completely self-deluded to this day.
Did you vote for Nader in 2000 and 2004? He was the only one of the three candidates who was close to being a "common man".
Yeah, we all know the "common man" owns millions of dollars' worth of Cisco stock...
I just read a study which indicated that, when judging one's own competence, "... participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability ... Several analyses linked this miscalibration to deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error."
http://gagne.homedns.org/~tgagne/contrib/unskilled.html
Which actually explains an awful lot ...
"People have always wanted, and will always want a president they can relate to"
Yeah, H.L.Mencken knew all about that back in the 1920's: "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." H.L.Mencken 26 July 1920
WorrierKing posted:
I wonder what the "Sage of Baltimore" would have to say if he were here to witness 3of the Republican candidates for president profess to believing in the biblical creation
So is this the new litmus test for POTUS? As a Sothern Baptist I guess Clinton and Carter would both have failed your test.
It can’t be denied however, that there was interest in the story. People were talking about it, and it was news.---POV
>>> It was talked about only because it was in the news..
Boehlert seems to be advocating that only news stories which he deems to have merit are worthy of discussion.---POV
>>>No, stories that aren’t either obviously false or so subjective in nature that they aren’t really stories at all.
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>>>No, stories that aren’t either obviously false or so subjective in nature that they aren’t really stories at all (are worthy of discussion).
Should have added "are worthy of discussion."
People have always wanted, and will always want a president they can relate to.
Only the ignorant and the idiots. Like you, POV. Patriotic Americans want competence, not a president that they want to have a beer with.
Instead of recoiling, the Republican ticket seems to have adopted a post-press approach to campaigning in which the candidates simply don't care what the press does or says about their honesty. More to the point, the candidates don't think it will matter on Election Day.
I think McCain is growing irritated with being branded a liar...you know, he has that "honor" thing going. However, I agree that McCain believes it won't matter on election day if he's lied...in fact, he has to lie in order to win. As for Sarah Palin, I don't think she has an opinion one way or another. She just reads her lines and hits her marks like an ambitious actress.
The problem is that the right wing base has been so conditioned to disbelieve any information they don't obtain from FOX, Limbaugh or other right wing sources. How would they know, though, that FOX and Limbaugh are lying to them if their only source of information is FOX and Limbaugh? They wouldn't. So McCain can lie to them with impunity...in fact, he's rewarded with their support for lying. And there isn't much we can do about it except hope that the MSM keeps exposing the truth and somehow it gets through to enough people.
Obama has a nice commercial he just put out...
Focusing on Grampah's lies and disgraceful campaign tactics. It's sad that a military hero like John McCain is willing to absolutely disgrace himself in this election. Unfortunately, it does say something about his character.
However, I agree that McCain believes it won't matter on election day if he's lied…---Irony101
I can picture that. Perhaps he knows we’ll be attacked again in 09, causing the country to rally around him.
This transcends greatly any concern about the media, and goes directly to the American People, and involves them and the McCain-Palin campaign: a Vice Presidential candidate is being hidden from the American People, to hide her from answering questions about her record and career, and save her the embarrassment of struggling to explain her National Policy opinions (whatever they may be, how can we know: she's being crash-coursed as we speak I'm sure).
This is a lot bigger than just a problem with the national media.
"...the political press consciously folded its work into the larger entertainment culture."
So true, Eric. They've disgraced themselves here mightily. They've become a laughingstock.
So how does democracy survive with a lapdog, irrelevant, corporate press?
Luckily, we don't have to completely rely on the media to be the watchdogs anymore, which is where I think sites like this, and bloggers come into play in a greater and greater role as time moves on. Sure, there are some fire throwers out there, but there are some blogs and other websites that are actually quite good. This one. Factcheck.org comes to mind as well.
This is by far one the best MMFA posts ever and the thread truly representative of the thoughtful individuals (for the most part) that regularly post here.
E.B. makes great points but I think he's too harsh on Matthews in this instance. He's recently been screaming as loud and as often as he possibly can about the outright level of dishonesty and outright lies coming from the McCain campaign. It's bold and different and we need more pundits that refuse to the corporate line any longer. Perhaps Russert's premature death affected him more than anyone knows. And perhaps it was for the better. Give the guy a break sometime.
E.B. makes great points but I think he's too harsh on Matthews…---Kromecom48
>>>Mathews is part of the reason we’re in this mess in the first place, as per the following from Boehlert’s article:
Remember, Matthews is part of the same Beltway press crowd that told news consumers Hillary Clinton's laugh was extremely important and needed to be analyzed for clues about her true character, that John Edwards' haircuts raised serious doubts about the man's candidacy, and that Barack Obama's bowling score spelled trouble on the campaign trail.---E. Boehlert
And, Tweety's the one who initially went ballistic because Obama asked for orange juice instead of coffee in a diner.
There is no treatment of Tweety that is too harsh.
TV news personalities are far too concerned with the ultimate goal of their career path: to be celebrities. They have very little interest in journalism. In a sense, it's not their fault, but a result of a corporate TV culture that has seen news as a money-making entertainment operation for the past 25-30 years.
The people who have survived these selective pressures are far more qualified to bat about inanities than they are to intelligently discuss any real problems that might face the nation. These people just are not smart enough or educated enough to discuss Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac or what is going on on Wall Street. Or in Iraq for that matter.
Sure, reporters and pundits gnash their teeth and express deep disappointment at the direction of the GOP campaign. But openly ridiculing the GOP candidates as pols who can't be trusted to tell the truth, or portraying them as delusional? Not a chance. That's the type of mockery the press reserves exclusively for Democrats accused of bending the truth. ---E. Boehlert
I don’t know how to honestly judge this behavior with less than a charge of cowardice and dereliction of duty.
They've reported their way right into the margins. Submerged in trivia and tactics for the past 18 months, the press, I think, has damaged its ability -- its authority -- to referee the campaign. ---E. Boehlert
Good insight by the author into his own business.
Bad thing right now, but I think it’s may be the silver lining in the prostitution of the media. To the extent they lack credibility, they’re capacity to referee is diminished. But at the same time they can do commensurately less harm.
actually,people have become less and less accepting of the mainstream press as the media become more and more complicit in the abuses of the Bush presidency. Instead of doing any fact checking during the last 8 years, they continually regurgitated whatever the presidency handed them (with a few notable exceptions), even when it was obviously outright lies.
For some strange reason, people got really turned off by that, and find it hard to believe anything coming from any of the main press any more.
The last few months is just seing the end result of that disenchantment with, and distrust of, the press.
Eric, brilliant column, as usual.
One quibble: you could make it clearer next time you take on this particular subject, and you will be taking it on, that most of the claims of Gore's so-called lies and exaggerations were themselves lies, and a deliberate retooling of Gore's actual statements. The press was fed a steady diet of such lies direct from the RNC via email, and the press ate it up. They hated Gore, they still do. And we aren't just talking about rightwingers; Frank Rich lost my respect permanently for his treatment of Gore, and it continued on after 2000, after 9/11, even to Gore's reappearance on the political scene in late 2002, when he gave that brilliant anti-Iraq invasion speech in San Francisco. Rich wrote a column that recycled all the old cliches about Gore, and never mentioned the speech. Rich also predicted that Gore's saying he hadn't decided whether or not he would run again in 2004 was typical Gore coyness, and that the book he and his wife had just published about American families was an obvious pander to rightwing values. As we now know, Gore meant what he was saying, and decided not to run, and the book Rich fingered as a pander to the right was about the new face of American families, and included gay families, single parent families, and a huge cross-section of multi-cultural families; hardly the stuff of rightwing family dreams.
Thanks for all you do, Eric.
Certainly not an American issue now is it?
For the democrats OR the media. We have real serious issues at hand and we need we must have the media FOCUSED on what is best for the country NOT RATINGS and NOT PERSONAL AGENDAS.
All candidates need to be sucritinized completely. This IS NOT A JOKE -- if any of these people were applying for a job at my company we would ask far more serious questions of them.
Since we canot ask ourselves WE MUST RELY ON THE MEDIA TO DO IT FOR US and quite frankly I am embarassed by how our media has behaved.
100% FAILURE TO BE PROFESSIONALS. They act like school children and honestly I am sick of the crap and lack of in depth reporting we are getting.
SHAME ON ALL OF YOU !!!!!!!