When did experience become a flaw?
Midway through Bill Clinton's first year as president, Time magazine reported that among the new president's problems was "a staff that has almost no White House or executive experience," pointing to then-political director Rahm Emanuel as a prime example.
Fast-forward 15 years: President-elect Barack Obama has chosen Emanuel to serve as his chief of staff. With years of high-level White House work under his belt, not to mention the connections and clout that come from having been one of the most powerful members of Congress, it would be quite a stretch to say that Emanuel lacks the experience to effectively serve Obama. So this time, some in the media have a different complaint. As CNN's Anderson Cooper put it, Emanuel is "probably the ultimate Washington insider. ... [T]he critics will say, well, look, if Obama is talking about change, why is he having a Washington insider?"
So: Emanuel was insufficiently experienced to serve as political director in 1993 -- and now we're to believe that he's too experienced in Washington to serve as chief of staff? What gives? Was there a brief window in 2003 in which Emanuel's level of experience was just right? Or is there something strange about the media's assessment of President-elect Obama's staffing decisions?
That Time assessment of Emanuel in 1993 was not unique. For 16 years, there has been near-universal agreement that the Clinton administration's early struggles (real and perceived) were in large part due to a lack of White House and Washington experience on the part of Clinton's staff.
Clinton hadn't even taken office before USA Today reported in December 1992 that the "limited Washington experience" of the incoming White House chief of staff, Mack McLarty, "raises the specter of Jimmy Carter's inexperienced inner circle." Six months later, Newsweek noted that McLarty's "lack of familiarity with Washington ways is now considered a political liability." The influential journalists Jack Germond and Jules Witcover later wrote that the choice of McLarty had been "a major surprise and the brunt of considerable criticism, on grounds that McLarty, like Clinton himself, was inexperienced in the Washington meat grinder."
By mid-1994, when a staff restructuring resulted in Leon Panetta's appointment as chief of staff, an Albany Times-Union editorial was typical of media reaction:
[Clinton's] sudden shuffle of White House staff is the latest evidence that he has finally grasped a central fact of Washington political life: It's not the place for the inexperienced, no matter how well-intentioned they may be.
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He's also learned that the chief of staff position is no place for a neophyte. It takes someone with Mr. Panetta's credentials as an insider to fill this pivotal post. That's all the more true at a time when the White House is trying to push through key health care and welfare legislation.
During a January 2001 look back at the Clinton presidency, Nightline host Ted Koppel summed up years of conventional wisdom: "The new president had put together a staff with virtually no experience in governing from the White House" -- something Nightline made clear was a mistake.
When President George W. Bush chose Andy Card, who had served in senior White House roles in two previous administrations, as his chief of staff, the selection -- along with decisions to put other longtime Washington insiders in key positions -- was received favorably by the news media.
Three days into Bush's presidency, CNN's Bill Schneider told viewers that "Bush is now surrounded by a lot of insider Washington deal makers, who have a lot of experience; like Dick Cheney and Andrew Card, his chief of staff; Paul O'Neill at treasury, and Donald Rumsfeld at defense. I think, a hard line and a smiling face and a willingness to make deals -- that could be a formula for success." A month later, The Washington Post ran a 2,000-word profile of Card that emphasized the benefit of Card's experience and portrayed him as bringing efficiency and order to the White House.
So, the history is clear: President Clinton was lambasted by the news media for not having enough old Washington hands on his staff; President Bush was praised for choosing veterans of previous Republican administrations.
Which brings us back to the present, and to the bizarre spectacle of journalists and pundits blasting Barack Obama for choosing staff members and Cabinet secretaries who are experienced and qualified.
Here, for example, is MSNBC's Chris Matthews, noting that Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, John Podesta, and Rahm Emanuel either have or are reported to have roles in Obama's transition or administration:
This is what you do when you don't have elections. You simply promote the people ... who had the deputy jobs. You can do this in any bureaucratic state. You could do it in the old Soviet Union, do it anywhere you have a bureaucracy. You don't need to hold elections to promote deputies to the top job when it comes time, right? You don't need elections for this crap, do you? ... You just keep promoting people from within in any old, tired bureaucracy. That's what you do.
This is nothing short of insane.
Eric Holder, reportedly Barack Obama's choice for attorney general, did indeed have one of the "deputy jobs" at the Justice Department -- in the Clinton administration, not the Bush administration. It's a pretty safe bet that if we didn't have an election a few weeks ago -- if the Bush administration were continuing indefinitely -- Eric Holder would not be the next attorney general. It's an even safer bet that Rahm Emanuel would not be chief of staff. Much of the nation may wish the Bush administration never happened, but it did. None of the people Matthews mentioned are being "promoted from within" -- not a single one.
(Matthews, by the way, was unconcerned about hiring officials from former administrations when George W. Bush was doing the hiring: In 2001, he praised Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, and Colin Powell as "real heavyweights in terms of experience.")
Matthews' MSNBC colleague Pat Buchanan is very much on the same page, repeatedly complaining that the incoming Obama administration will be filled with "retreads." Yes: Pat Buchanan, born and raised in Washington, D.C.; educated at Georgetown; a veteran of two GOP White Houses and himself twice a candidate for the presidency; a 20-year fixture on cable news -- that Pat Buchanan is complaining about too many "retreads."
That was a common theme on MSNBC, where longtime Washington insiders Chris Matthews, David Gregory, and Christopher Hitchens -- among others -- suggested that the choice of former Clinton administration officials was contrary to the idea of "change":
- Chris Matthews: "The possibility that Barack Obama might pick Hillary Clinton to be his secretary of state has a lot of people asking, 'Whatever happened to change, the change we can believe in?' "
- David Gregory: "Is this change you can believe in? The Obama team is going to face these questions about big-time Clinton administration people into the fold now in some of the biggest jobs in the Cabinet. Eric Holder certainly fits that bill."
- Christopher Hitchens: "This is the woman who, if you were for change that you can believe in, whichever change it was, you were voting against. ... [I]t's Clinton redo, not just Rahm Emanuel. Whatever this is, it's not change."
This has been a sentiment expressed commonly in the media, nowhere more frequently than on MSNBC, but the suggestion that bringing on former Clinton administration officials -- even Clinton herself -- is inconsistent with a desire for change is pure bunk. Asserting such inconsistency requires some deeply flawed assumptions: that everyone who worked in the Clinton administration is alike; that the Clinton and Bush administrations pursued identical policies with identical effectiveness; or that the desire for "change" is simply a desire for change in the types of people who hold government jobs.
People want a change in policy and a change in effectiveness. They want a change from George W. Bush, of whom disapproval is near-universal. The idea that 67 million people voted for Barack Obama because they disliked the Clinton administration is ludicrous. It ignores the wide and deep disgust with the direction Bush has taken the nation and the stunning incompetence with which he has done so. And it overlooks the obvious fact that people voted for Barack Obama because they like him and they like his policy positions.
But there is no evidence -- none -- that the nation as a whole has a deep desire to shun some of the people most qualified and experienced for administration jobs simply because they worked for Bill Clinton. Hard-core Republicans and Washington journalists may have such a desire, but that's about it.
The whining from journalists about Clinton alumni in the Obama administration is even sillier when you consider that they would presumably criticize Obama if he chose people without prior White House experience, as they criticized Bill Clinton. So the only way Obama can escape criticism is if he hires a bunch of people who worked in the Reagan and Bush administrations. Perversely, after two straight elections in which the American people convincingly rejected failed Republican rule, the punditocracy would be less likely to criticize Obama for abandoning his promise of change if he retained the services of the very Bush administration officials who screwed up the country so badly in the first place.
No piece of transition news has rankled the chattering class as much as the rumored selection of Hillary Clinton to be secretary of state -- not, in most cases, because they think her unqualified, but because they just don't like her. Christopher Hitchens, for one, lashed out at the news on MSNBC, leading the cable channel to treat his comments as though they were both surprising and important. They are neither. Hitchens hates the Clintons. Maybe not as much as he hates Mother Teresa, but there is little doubt that he hates them. Christopher Hitchens criticizing a Clinton is roughly as surprising as a Boston native speaking ill of New York Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter.
Despite the fact that there is no indication that anyone outside of its own studios cares what Christopher Hitchens has to say about the Clintons, MSNBC has played his comments over and over again, and even invited him back on the next day to interview him about their previous interview of him. Host David Gregory explained MSNBC's obsession with Hitchens' comments by insisting -- all evidence to the contrary -- that "everybody is talking about" them.
Hitchens' bizarre comments about Hillary Clinton included his claim that he has never heard that she is respected by military leadership -- a claim that, if true, merely confirms that Hitchens knows far too little about Clinton for his assessment of her to be taken seriously. And he claimed that in 1993, Hillary Clinton instructed her husband not to intervene in the Balkans because she was afraid that it would interfere with her health-care initiative -- but the book he cited to support his claim does not do so.
As Media Matters' Eric Boehlert noted this week, the media has been essentially alone in their anguish about Clinton serving as secretary of state:
The press represents nobody but the press on this topic. Meaning, the press has no political cover on this story because there's no partisan angle to the SoS story, which means their long-running Clinton hatred is just sort of out there, exposed for all to see.
Think about. It's been virtually impossible to find any senior members of Congress--Republican or Democrat--who publicly oppose Clinton as the SoS, which in and of itself is rather astonishing.
And within the liberal blogosphere, where one might expect there to be vocal opposition to Clinton since so many within the netroots opposed her during the primaries, most A-list writers have been extremely quiet in terms of airing opposition.
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So, if you're keeping score at home, that means the Obama White House is in favor of Clinton, Republicans in Congress are in favor, Democrats in Congress are in favor, and liberal activists are, essentially, in favor. (And so are most Americans.)
In the early stages of the last two administrations (both the result of "change" elections), the media made much of the importance of new presidents bringing on old hands with White House experience. Suddenly, they portray such moves as inconsistent with the idea of "change." There are really only two possible explanations for this inconsistency: They are blinded by their hatred of the Clintons, or are desperate for something -- anything -- to use as an excuse to criticize Obama.
Either way (or both), they look like fools by coming down in favor of inexperience. America is a nation at war, with stock and housing markets that are falling faster than a flock of turkeys dropped out of an airplane, a broken health-care system, and countless other problems -- and the punditocracy thinks Barack Obama should refuse to hire anyone who worked in the most successful administration of the past several decades. Incredible.
Jamison Foser is Executive Vice President at Media Matters for America.
















Indeed this is RIDICULOUS!!! The punditry couldn't have balked any more fiercely than they did over "Obama's inexperience." Now they are complaining because he's choosing people of experience to work with and council him???
And people attaching the Clintonites to a sign of NO CHANGE is equally ridiculous. It just so happens that the Clinton administration was the last Democratic administration from which to choose seasoned professionals - END OF STORY. Besides, saying that it is going to be "another Clinton" administration completely dismisses Obama's ability to think and decide for himself. How is it that Americans seem to have already forgetten that it was exactly those abilities that led him elected in the first place! We really shouldn't assume that whomever is appointed is going to simply just "get their way" on everything they touch.
In fact, the diversity of opinions reflected in (potential & actual) appointees, and even those with opposing opinions to Obama's, being considered/offered positions in the cabinet IS CHANGE!
I thought the problem with Obama's appointments were the fact that Democrat party rehashes do not equal "change" - especially the change the American people were being billed prior to a couple of weeks ago. Yeah sure, we're changing from the rehashes in the Republican party to the rehashes in the Democrat party, but is this a "significant" change? This isn't change, this is a cycle, and at this point I have to wonder what the difference is between the Republican party and the Democrat party.
Only in terms of changing from the wrong side of most issues that matter most to most Americans to the right side.
Had the Supreme Court not made Bush the president-select in 2000, it wouldn't be a cycle, either. We'd be entering year 17 of uninterrupted good governance.
Using a word with a negative connotation, such as "rehashes," doesn't make the people Obama is appointing less competent or less ethical, or less in the spirit of what the American people voted for (which as Boehlert and Foser pointed out, the American people have confirmed).
Only an oversimplifying, obstinately ignorant fool (i.e., a Republican) would have to wonder what the difference is between the Republan party and the Democratic party.
8 years and you people still cannot get over the fact that President Bush won the election. It's pathetic, get over it.
The fact is, Obama is bringing back Clinton era hacks to help him run Washington. That, my friend, is not change. We are going to be right back to where we left off when we finally got rid of Slick Willy and his cronies. You whine about alleged "crime" by our current administraion, just wait until it goes back to Clinton Business as Usual. God help us when Hillary starts running around the world as Secretary of State.
We are going to be right back to where we left off when we finally got rid of Slick Willy and his cronies. (w.b. leotard)
Is it the peace or the prosperity that has you more terrified?
Even if this was a rerun of the Clinton administration, there would still be a difference between the two parties.
You really can't imagine that it would be a smart move for Obama to pick a bunch of rookies anyway. After all of the talk about his inexperience, the pick of inexperienced staff members would create a firestorm. So instead we hear how appointments from the popular Clinton administration show a lack a change from the likes of the disastrous George W. Bush. Obviously if Obama is going to get criticized either way, he's forcing his detractors into making the much weaker criticism.
Inexperienced picks would have created a consistent image, and consistency can lend to weaker criticisms.
And also, if we wanted a rerun of Bill Clinton, we would be talking about President-Elect Hillary Rodham Clinton - she made that obvious during the primary debates.
So picking people with experience comes off as inconsistent? You're confusing the concept of "balance" with consistency.
I really don't know why these choices are a big surprise. He still has his own policies.
The difference between the Republican party and the "Democrat" Party are obvious.
One is a real American political party founded in 1854 founded by citizens who were anti-slavery. They first won the presidency in 1860 with the election of Abraham Lincoln.
The "Democrat" Party is fictitious. The name has been used as a political epithet going back to the late eighteen hundreds and in the twentieth century the name was adopted by Senator Joseph McCarty.
In recent times it's been resurrected by the infamous Tom DeLay, John Boehner and George W. Bush. In the 2008 presidential election, it was used by this years McCarty, Sara Palin to describe the Democratic Party.
Nice political company you're keeping DAWUSS.
Maybe if the Republican Party used more imagination, ideas, real values and respect for others they would not have fallen as far. They, and their minions in the media, like Mrs. Christie and Hannity, have been show how disrespecting opponents can blowback.
The GOP attempted to win in 2008 with only two tools, fear and ridicule. The only one's looking ridiculous now are the Republicans and those posters and pundits still trying to rename the Democratic Party the "Democrat" Party.
Thing is, I have no ties to the Republican party, which IIRC, has been given alternative names as well by Democrats. For example, Mark Levin calls Republicans "Repubicans", and some people on here have called Republicans "Rethuglicans" among others.
Besides, I call Jeff Christie Jeff Christie, so it's not like it only goes one way.
There's been a concerted effort by everyone on the right from elected officials to water carriers in the media to rename the Democratic Party. It comes from the top of the party all the way down to posters on the web. Sure people here have called the GOP different things but that in no way compares with the systematic renaming of a political party by it's opposition.
I didn't say you had ties to any particular party. You often show signs of impartiality. But to label the Democratic party as the "Democrat" Party is playing the GOP game.
If we are lucky enough to change back to the World Before Bush, that would be good enough for me. It can be really, really hard for some people to remember what actually happened under Bill Clinton, rather than wallowing in their own dispeptic opinions about Bill Clinton himself. We had, in the famous phrase, peace and prosperity, or at least as much of both as the country has ever experienced. To those who complain about Clinton's bombing raids and low-grade military adventurism, remember the warmaker who came after him, and remember that the big attack did not come till after Clinton was safely out of office. To those who complain that he "did not do enough to stop terrorism", remember the bombing raids and the military adventurism. Some folks want to hear their own echo in the White House even if it may kill them or run the country through a dispose-all. And some folks think it the mark of political sophistication to mock a party by refusing to properly write its name, Democratic. I myself am not much for the 'non-partisan' rhetoric. I'd be happier if Obama pounded Republicans into the ropes, demanding, "What's my Party's name?", in the manner of a black hero of an earlier era. Dawuss, get ready to duck, just in case.
I'd be happier if Obama pounded Republicans into the ropes, demanding, "What's my Party's name?", in the manner of a black hero of an earlier era.
But do you really think that that's going to happen? To both parties this is probably all just a game and party affilations are just labels and nothing more
The media, of course, has been flat wrong over and over again.
If the media were on your side, there would be a greater chance that you're doing something wrong than that the media got something right.
Never take advice from someone who's always wrong.
I think the idea is that because Obama pledged change, they think there isn't any.
Problem is, at no time did Obama mean change away from Democrats. He meant change away from Bush.
Jamison, I know you've read the Daily Howler. Picking on Chris Matthews for being a shoddy journalist (except, apparently, on the WMD issue) is like pointing at Spanky of the Little Rascals and calling him fat.
Do you think he spends the day poring over news items, calling contacts, doing interviews, and reviewing the work of great journalists?
The guy's a hack with a super-star salary. Any system of government which relies on popular input (elections) requires that the populace can access the news.
Our Ramshackle Press Corps must be ranked up there with Bush and the people who voted for Bush when it comes to apportioning blame for driving this country, and other parts of the world, into a ditch.
I must disagree this time, Jamison.
The pundits are right. Obama promised change, and is giving us the Clinton administration recycled. It's like a pendulum swinging back and forth, from the right to the center-right and back to the right. That isn't change, it's deja vu, all over again.
Clinton gave us deregulation and NAFTA, among other atrocities, and now we'll have the same people back with what they think is a mandate for more of the same, just as Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al came back from the Nixon administration with a vengeance to give us the imperial presidency they failed to deliver the first time.
We who voted reluctantly for Obama were hoping that we were wrong and that the Republican talking points about Obama being too liberal might be true, and that we might see some progressive movement this time. Sadly, it appears that there will be no change, no progressive agenda, just more of the worst of the Clinton years without the tech and housing bubbles to bolster us.
Again, as others have said, Obama promised change from what we have now.
Don't worry, you can eat your words once Obama becomes a succesful President. The Clinton years, you seem to forget that they were pretty good years, and here you trash them. I'm not saying Clinton was the best ever, but he was head and several shoulders above the current resident of Pennsylania Avenue.
These people are all acting as if Barack Hussein Obama ran on NOVELTY, not change.
He didn't. He said, in meticulous detail, this is what I'm going to do, this is how I'm going to do it, this is how I'm going to pay for it. That kind of change.
I understand some of the impulse: it's like fantasy baseball. Krugman for Treasury! Fitzgerald for AG! Wesley Clark for State! Al Gore for the UN! TDave Chappelle for Press Secretary! It's disappointing when you don't get a media star.
But these people are already trying to paper over the last 8years. The Clinton Administration? Didn't they just get out of office? There was Whitewater, and Monica--then a few things--and now Obama! What change?
He didn't. He said, in meticulous detail, this is what I'm going to do, this is how I'm going to do it, this is how I'm going to pay for it. That kind of change.
When did he do that? All he said was "Hope" "Change" "Future" and "Failed Bush policies". Sure it's more than what the POW said - all he said was "My friends" "bipartisanship" and "I'm a Maverick"
DAWUSS, have you ever bothered to go to Barack Obama's web site? I understand you might find that distasteful, but if you haven't been there, then it's best not to make claims about his lack of making detailed statements. You just end up looking uninformed.
I don't know exactly when each of his position papers were placed on the site, but it was well before the election, and well before the end of the Democratic primaries.
Dude, just stop being ignorant. You know he said he is going to end the Bush tax deal for the rich, create a public healthcare system like the one available to congress, invest in a green economy, institute greater oversight and regulation for Wall St., withdraw from Iraq and go after Bin Laden in Afghanistan...it goes on and on. Granted, you had to be sufficiently able to understand life and language on a conceptual level instead of slogans, but Obama's plans and ideas were out there for those willing to understand streams of complete sentences and fully formed thoughts.
thank you Roundhouse. I am sooooo tired of even the media, but especially my Republican friends refusing to read and Obama book or read his website - and then say "we really don't know who he is" and "he hasn't said how and what he will do". Stupid, stupid, but then again, they liked Palin, so what can we say. The bottom line is that we and the Senator don't know everything he'll do nor how he'll pay for it nor whether it will work...but it's about time we had someone smart (bill clinton is too) with the right ideals (bill clinton does not) to try to make this country great again. I like many, have not been proud of lots of what my country has done in the past 8 years, to the middle class and the world. That internal criticism is exactly what has made this country great and always bounce back. To the critics who claim that the Senator is the most "liberal" are merely looking at his recent voting record on what's come before Congress. If you watch interviews with the conservatives who were on the Harvard Law Review, you find that the Senator is a centrist and a person who finds solutions that work across the span of opinions. (The Law Review is one of many examples that tell us WHO the Senator IS.)
Stop being ignorant. You know he had detailed plans out there. Watch one of the debates against McCain, he laid out fairly detailed plans then (during his allotted time to answer). And as others have said, his position papers, are available. Either you're too lazy to go and look at and read them, or you're just reiterating constant republican talking points, and yet you say you're not a republican. You sound just like one. Go and read one of or better yet, both of his books, if you want to "know" who he is.
Humming in a cave...
Cave art is often found where human-generated sounds create acoustic resonance, giving them an almost magical quality.
The cacophony of idiocies quoted in this article confirm my theory that Tweety and others are not only mesmerized by the sound of their own voices, they seem to be capable of entering and generating sound in a six-foot long cavern, the entrance of which is at their posteriors.
Quite a feat!
Thank God someone has finally spoken up on the question of "change" that all the pundits seem to take great pleasure in criticizing Obama about!! I am so tired of hearing the word, "retread" that I am about to scream! I thought the change was actually having an intelligent, thoughtful and articulate President who appoints the best and brightest to be part of his Cabinet, that is the change that I have been waiting for for 8 long and painful years of Bush!!! The mainstream media needs to give Obama a break, he has not even taken office yet. I am so excited and am so looking forward to January 20th, that I can barely contain myself, American has finally gotten it right and we need to pat ourselves on the back!
here's why obama really won. according to time's mark halperin, it was that darned liberal press again. see link.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15885.html
but then, halperin was the guy who awarded a win to mccain in one of the presidential debates, when polls showed obama winning by margins of up to 30 and 40 percent.
http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200810150020
Yeah, screw Halperin. The press trashed Cindy McCain. Boo hoo
Just imagine if Michelle Obama had been a drug addicted, charity swindling, fortune heiress. The sh*t would not have hit the fan, the fan would have been submerged in a vat of sh*t.
White privilege at its finest.
Question: When did experience become a flaw?
Answer: During the 1976 Democratic primary when Jimmy Carter ran a campaign against "Washington insiders". That stupid theme has been with us ever since.
No matter what Obama does, the wingnuts will complain.
Experience is fine, just wondering when Obama is going to make an appointment that shows some change or new direction. Right now, he is just going to have an third term of the Clinton White House. I was under the impression that he was going to bring some new ideas, some new faces, not the same ole Washington. Guess this was just a stump speech.
Obama gets the news media with new appointment, and the person is . .....
Obama chose Lawrence Summers as director of his National Economic Council. Summers was treasury secretary under former President Bill Clinton.
Oh, wait, nothing exciting here, another Clinton appointment.
I remember when experience first became a flaw in this election. I was a volunteer for Joe Biden's campaign in Iowa. Joe had more foreign policy experience than anyone else running. Well, first the Iraq war pretty much went away as an issue because none of the others knew enough about it to discuss it, and the debate mediators rarely gave Joe a chance to speak. They took up the economy for their main issue, which was slumping, but nothing like the mess it is in now.
Obama mentioned the war enough to sell himself because he had not voted in favor of the Iraq War, which really didn't make points with me because he was not in the US senate then and didn't have the same pressure to contend with. I was against the war too, but never felt like it made me superior to the people in congress. I remember what sort of an atmosphere there was then. Bush made it clear that either you were "with us, or against us".
Then in the campaign, as Obama came on, selling that fact that he had voted against Iraq, experience became a pejorative term. The media seemed to like the novelty of this and took up the mantra. Obama and Hillary became the only people they paid any attention to. Edwards hung in for a while but it became a contest between "judgement" and "experience." Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, and Bill Richardson might as well have not existed.
Well, Obama got the nomination, and I give him credit because he knows that he needs people with the knowledge and experience in Washington to get his ideas of change implemented. He has been impressively unruffled in the face of adversity and pressure, and seems to have confidence in what he is doing. He picked Joe Biden for VP so I'm with him. I like what he is doing so far, and am curious to see how it all plays out.