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Fetishizing off-center centrism

January 30, 2009 7:00 pm ET

From the way the media have covered this week's stimulus package vote, you would think the goal of the legislation was to get Democrats and Republicans to sit together for lunch in the House cafeteria, rather than to turn around an economy in free fall.

After the House passed the stimulus package by a comfortable margin, much of the media reacted not by examining the bill's contents and the likelihood that it would provide a much-needed boost to the economy, but by focusing on the fact that it passed without a single Republican vote.

Why the GOP's unanimity in opposing the stimulus package should be surprising is anybody's guess; the last time we had a newly elected Democratic president, in 1993, congressional Republicans were unanimous in opposing his economic package, too. Then-Rep. John Kasich went so far as to promise that if Bill Clinton's plan worked, Kasich would switch parties. (It did; he didn't.) Point being: Congressional Republicans do not have a strong track record of working with Democratic presidents in recent memory. Perhaps because they were too busy trying to subpoena the White House cat.

Nonetheless, the Democrats' purported failure to get Republican support for the bill was, according to many reporters, the story.

Yesterday's edition of ABC's The Note, among the most reliable of indicators of conventional wisdom among Beltway journalists, began:

As President Obama said, there are a lot of numbers in the stimulus bill. But the number that may be remembered most of all from Wednesday's vote in the House is zero.

That's a goose egg in the first inning of bipartisanship -- at least as recorded on Obama's scorecard.

Got that? The most important thing is not what the bill will -- or won't -- do to fix the economy; it is that Obama failed to win the votes of Republican members of Congress.

Such thinking has driven media coverage of the stimulus debate for days. During White House press secretary Robert Gibbs' January 23 briefing, for example, not a single reporter asked Gibbs what modifications to the bill would render it unacceptable to President Obama. The content of the bill didn't seem to matter at all to the assembled reporters.

But Gibbs was asked this stunning question: "Would he veto a bill -- would he veto a bill if it didn't have Republican support?"

Reporters didn't want to know what policy provisions Obama believed the bill must contain -- but they did want to know if he would veto it if Republicans opposed it. They behaved as though bipartisanship is an end in and of itself, rather than a means to an end.

And there has been a lot of that lately -- stimulus coverage is but one example. Last week, Politico published "seven reasons to be skeptical of Obama's chances." Reason number five? "He rarely challenges the home team." Politico explained: "[T]here are few examples of him making decisions during the campaign or the transition that offended his own party's constituencies, or using rhetoric that challenged his [o]wn supporters to rethink assumptions or yield on a favored cause. ... This is not a good sign."

Now, Politico didn't bother to list a single example of a situation in which the merits suggested Obama should have "offended his own party's constituencies" or otherwise broken with the party. To the Politico, the merits are irrelevant -- Obama should buck his party for the sake of bucking his party. (And never mind that Obama has taken a variety of positions that have not sat well with portions of his progressive base.)

To many journalists, bucking your party -- like "centrism" and bipartisanship -- is a noble goal all by itself. But I suspect most people recognize that these things are means, not ends.

Sure, people want the politicians to stop bickering and get things done. But, more specifically, most people want the politicians to stop bickering and do things they want done. A single mother working two minimum-wage jobs to feed her kids might want politicians to come together in a spirit of bipartisanship -- but she doesn't want them to pass bipartisan legislation lowering the minimum wage; she wants a bipartisan bill raising the minimum wage. If she can't have that, I suspect she'd take a party-line minimum-wage increase, even if it means a decrease in the bonhomie at Washington cocktail parties she'll never attend.

For most people, bipartisan consensus is great -- but it is as a means of accomplishing tangible results, not a goal in and of itself. But many political reporters seem to have an ideological, if not religious, commitment to bipartisanship and centrism. But -- and here's where things get really problematic -- they don't really have any idea of where the "center" is.

A 2007 Media Matters report demonstrated that despite the near-constant insistence by members of the media that this is a conservative or "center-right" country, "Americans are progressive across a wide range of controversial issues, and they're growing more progressive all the time."

Since then, the evidence that this is a progressive nation has only increased. Democrats have won the popular vote in four of the past five presidential elections, including Barack Obama's landslide victory last November. Democrats control both houses of Congress, with the largest majority either party has enjoyed in decades. Public polling continues to show widespread support for progressive policy proposals.

And yet the news media continue to insist that America is a "center-right" nation. They offer increasingly tortured justifications for this position, like Tom Brokaw's invocation of the total land mass of counties carried by John McCain -- as if the number of rocks and trees and blades of grass in counties McCain won is more important than the number of people who preferred Obama.

The notion of America as a fundamentally conservative nation is so ingrained in the minds of our media elite that CNN's John King found himself arguing that "the electorate voted for Barack Obama but still perceives him to be a liberal. ... The last thing you want to do if you want to keep them four years from now is to alienate them with a liberal agenda." Of course, another possibility is that if the electorate voted for Barack Obama while perceiving him as a liberal, maybe the electorate is liberal, too. But that thought didn't seem to cross King's mind.

Just this week, Politico's Glenn Thrush provided another example of false media assumptions about the public's policy views. Thrush wrote that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's support for public funding for contraceptives would play into Republican efforts to portray her as a "Bay Area liberal" pursuing a "far left agenda." Just one problem: Public funding for contraceptives is really, really popular. How popular? Eighty-six percent of Americans support such funding, according to a 2005 poll conducted by a Republican polling firm. Pelosi's support for contraceptive funding doesn't make her look, as Thrush indicated, "far left" -- to the contrary, the conservatives who oppose it make up a tiny, far-right minority of Americans.

You'd think reporters would have learned a lesson from the Terri Schiavo story. When Republican politicians first decided they, not Schiavo's husband, should make decisions about medical care for the woman who had been in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years, much of the media assumed that the public agreed with the GOP -- and that the matter would play to their political benefit. That wasn't true.

So when reporters and pundits clamor for "bipartisan compromise" on "moderate, centrist" solutions, they do so based on a mistaken belief about where the "center" really is -- in effect, arguing for conservative positions that they believe to be centrist. And when faced with party-line votes, they blame Democrats for not compromising enough, falsely assuming the Democrats to be the party that is further from the center.

Looking back at that press briefing by Robert Gibbs, we see examples: Gibbs was asked if Obama "need[ed] to be twisting arms of Democrats to get them to take the idea of bipartisan support more seriously" and "Democrats on the Hill don't seem to be serious about it. Is he applying pressure on them to get them into the fold here?" But he wasn't asked a single question premised on the possibility that it was the Republicans who weren't serious about bipartisanship.

After the bill passed without Republican votes, Time's Mark Halperin blasted Obama for failing to pursue "centrist compromises":

HALPERIN: The other thing he could have done -- when you say, "What could he have done?" -- you can go for centrist compromises. You can say to your own party, "Sorry, some of you liberals aren't going to like it, but I'm going to change this legislation radically to get a big centrist majority rather than an all-Democratic vote." He chose not to do that. That's the exact path that George Bush took for most of his presidency with disastrous consequences for bipartisanship and solving big problems.

This is simply nonsense. The stimulus bill included a mixture of spending and Republican-friendly tax cuts. Provisions Republicans objected to -- including that wildly popular contraceptive funding -- were dropped. Obama and the Democrats, in other words, did compromise. It was a "centrist" bill -- Mark Halperin just doesn't realize it because he has no idea where the "center" is. He seems to think for something to be "centrist," it must be supported by congressional Republicans. But congressional Republicans aren't centrists, and their policy positions don't enjoy broad support.

Meanwhile, the congressional Republicans offered their own alternative stimulus bill. It was completely -- 100 percent -- tax cuts. Nothing else.

So, to sum up: The Democrats -- who won landslide electoral victories in both 2006 and 2008 and whose policy positions enjoy broad public support -- offered a bill that included a mix of tax cuts and spending, that removed provisions the Republicans didn't like. The Republicans, having lost badly in the past two elections and enjoying about as much popularity as a kick in the head, offered a bill that consisted solely of their own priority, tax cuts.

And yet the Mark Halperins of the world blast Obama and the Democrats for not compromising enough. Absolutely incredible.

The media's insistence that Democrats, but not Republicans, must constantly make concessions in order to be "centrist" and "bipartisan" is also evident in one of the most persistent media myths in modern political history.

In 1992, anti-abortion Pennsylvania Gov. Bob Casey wanted to speak at the Democratic convention -- but he did not want to endorse the party's presidential nominee; he wanted instead to attack the party's position on abortion. Other Democrats who opposed abortion rights were allowed to speak at the convention, but Casey was not given a platform to attack his party.

Ever since, the media have repeated over and over again the falsehood that Casey was "denied" a speaking slot (as though he were entitled to one) because of his views on abortion. The fact that others who opposed abortion were given speaking slots demonstrates the falsity of this claim, and yet it is repeated over and over again.

The ubiquity of the claim is interesting even aside from its falsity. In fact, let's pretend for a moment that it's true. So what? The media continually portray the incident as evidence that the Democrats are intolerant of dissenting views and need to "moderate" themselves to reach out to "centrists."

Well, guess what? The next person given a speaking slot at the Republican National Convention for the sole purpose of speaking out against the GOP's opposition to abortion rights will be the first such person. Even if you buy the (false) claim that Casey was excluded because of intolerance of his dissenting views, the Republicans have been just as intolerant at their conventions. Yet the media haven't spent the past two decades constantly talking about the Republicans' refusal to feature a convention speaker who attacks their position on abortion.

And here's the kicker: Most Americans support abortion rights. So why is it that the Democrats have to "moderate" themselves in order to appeal to "centrists"?

It's bad enough that Beltway journalists have developed a cultlike devotion to bipartisan centrism. But the real problem is that they have no idea where the center is.

Jamison Foser is Executive Vice President at Media Matters for America.

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    • Author by carlileb5935 (January 30, 2009 7:40 pm ET)
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      After 20 years of a popular culture drenched in sports, soap operas, gossip programs and action movies, is it any wonder that these people's narrative sense has been crippled so? And isn't it most everyone?

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    • Author by congero6189599 (January 30, 2009 7:55 pm ET)
         

      During the campaign the whole mantra was that Obama never bucked his party like the "maverick" McCain, and I too questioned what particular issue should he have went against his party?  That questioned was never asked, I believe because it would have led to a discussion about something concrete as opposed to the nebulous accusation that he just tows the party line.  I'am glad somone else saw this con too!

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (January 30, 2009 8:04 pm ET)
           

        It seems to be all about gossip and tactics and personality problems-- makes you wonder just what has been so corrosive over the years for things to be this way.

        I blame fundamental changes in the popular culture and the big rise-- no, extolling of-- what used to be called 'subliteracy.'

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      • Author by mrhebert74 (January 30, 2009 11:56 pm ET)
           

        Yeah, that's right. Obama was a partisan because he didn't go against his party, but McCain was a maverick because he "reached across the aisle." But Obama reached across the aisle too -- he co-authored a bill with Dick Lugar, for example. And McCain voted with his party -- 95% support of President Bush in one year. So I was confused as to why Obama was the only partisan and McCain the only maverick.

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    • Author by loonz (January 30, 2009 8:23 pm ET)
         

      This is the key sentence in the article:

      "But congressional Republicans aren't centrists, and their policy positions don't enjoy broad support."

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      • Author by magnolialover (January 30, 2009 8:36 pm ET)
           

        Not to mention, that what Congressional Republicans would like to do, hasn't worked. Wasn't this last election about "change", and here we have Congressional Republicans coming out and saying, we need MORE tax cuts, because they have worked so well over the last 8 years or so to stimulate the economy (OK, they haven't, but apparently republicans don't realize this). How do they stand there, with stoic faces, talking about what we need is MORE tax cuts? Tax cuts for corporations, and rich folks, but not for the rest of us of course is what they're really talking about. I mean, seriously, they're the party of tax cuts, and Obama wants to give cuts to 95% of the country, surely, they can get on board with that? Nope, they call it socialism.

        I have been reading this book recently about the Korean war, thing is, the author is doing a ton of background on the main key players. MacArthur, Truman, Acheson, and a few others. It's funny to me reading through Sec of State Acheson, and how he was called a socialist for embracing FDR and the New Deal, and how he must be a pinko commie because he didn't want to fight for China against Mao. It's utterly amazing to me, how the rhetoric from the right, seems to remain the same. If you're not with us, you're both a communist, and anti American. Acheson did support his friend, Alger Hiss, which politically, not a very good move for him, but he was no commie.

        Look, republicans, we tried tax cuts. Didn't work. Let's try something different don't you think? I think so. Get out of the way (you did already by not voting for the stimulus package bill), and let Obama govern. If it doesn't work out, well, you didn't vote for it, you're safe. When it does work out, we can point and laugh at you for not embracing it when you could, and we'll see big gains in the House, and Senate, again, no doubt. If you had voted for it, at least you could say you helped the country out in its time of need, but you didn't. You thought we needed more ridiculous tax cuts. I am glad that the adults are running the country these days.

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        • Author by loonz (January 30, 2009 8:56 pm ET)
             

          Look, republicans, we tried tax cuts. Didn't work.

          It worked just as intended.  It made the wealthy wealthier while average Americans limped along.

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          • Author by mescal (February 01, 2009 1:42 am ET)
               

            BINGO!!!

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          • Author by historygeek001 (February 02, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
               

            I don't know that their GOAL was to damage the economy and hurt everybody except the extremely wealthy; I think they just don't care who or what their policies hurt as long as they get more money and power.

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        • Author by congero6189599 (January 30, 2009 8:58 pm ET)
             

          Have you read this:

          01.30.09 - 11:57 AM

          GOP Lawmakers Outnumber Democratic Lawmakers 2 To 1 In Stimulus Debate On Cable News

          Think Progress is reporting today:

           ...the cable networks are still turning more often to Republicans and allowing them to set the agenda on major issues, most recently on the debate over the economic recovery package.

          --Craig Brown     The reason before this last election we were told that the reason there were more republicans represented on these pundit shows was because they won the election and more people supported their views.   Well what is the reason now?!?!?  You would think they won the election instead of being soundly trounced.
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          • Author by mary59 (January 30, 2009 9:57 pm ET)
               

            The rich "journalists" don't want any reality to enter into their themes...too messy.

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          • Author by roundhouse (January 31, 2009 11:50 pm ET)
               

            Take heart, congero. Obama has the biggest pulpit in the media universe and he is the most effective voice we could hope to have. I love how he called out the Wall St. hotshots for for giving themselves bonuses. He has an equalizing effect on the corporate media. 

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          • Author by wookie (February 02, 2009 1:58 pm ET)
               

            Its odd that the media isn't calling them obstructionists or blathering on about how its risky to vote against the majority...

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        • Author by Tbone Slickens (January 31, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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          Acheson was no commie?  Maybe.  He was in the vanguard of the progressive movement and was known to conciliate Moscow.  Just look at the testimony of Adolf Berle in the case of Alger Hiss.  This would be confirmed by J. Edgar Hoover and left wing journalist I.F. Stone. 

          While we can debate (and neither one could prove) his communist leanings it was who he elevated to power after he himself gained power especially in the area of State's Far East division that is telling.  This has been documented with identified Communist Party members and sympathisers.  The motive was to affect US policy especially in China at the time.

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          • Author by eweston8542983 (January 31, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
               

            His effects were? What damage would you accuse him of? I don't recall anything changing with regard to China. Our support of the Nationalist Chinese was unchanged. We didn't invade North Veitnam due to the fear that China would enter the war in force. Pretty wimpy work for a dangeous commiesimp.

            Who finally openned our doors and let China in?

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            • Author by Tbone Slickens (February 01, 2009 11:38 pm ET)
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              His promotion of John Carter Vincent as head of Far East division for one.  All the Chinese specialists were drummed out of State as he was allied with John Service and the IPR/Amerasia crowd.  This in conjuction with with Treasury reds like Sol Adler and you have a nice witches brew of left leaning doctrine that affected US policy towards China. 

              If you do a little research on this you'll find one common denominator...Dean Acheson.  He not only ran interference at State for reds that should have been removed, but also perjered himself in the Hiss case.  In fact Acheson was protector of quite a few reds...Phillip Jessup, J.S. Stewart, J. C. Vincent, O. Edmund Clubb, Esther Brunauer, Will Stone, Edward Posniak, and Peveril Meigs...just to name a few. 

              I cannot prove it, but Acheson's actions would clearly put him in the pro-red camp.  I'd think you'd agree...

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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (February 02, 2009 9:15 am ET)
                   

                I cannot prove it

                That should be the first words in any post you make, and there would never be a reason to read past those four words.

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                • Author by Tbone Slickens (February 02, 2009 9:49 am ET)
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                  I notice you can't refute the facts that I posted.  I can't prove Acheson was a card carrying communist.  I have proven he was a communist sympathiser. 

                  See the difference?  I doubt it...

                  Feel free to post your FACTUAL rebutal.  Please feel free to not to read anything I post.  You've proven you feel free to keep your head in the sand.

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    • Author by oscar the grouch (January 30, 2009 8:34 pm ET)
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      Yep, Obamaham failed to win any votes from the opposing team, but didn't 11 members of the home team also vote no?   Maybe some of them wanted a little more time to digest the 600+ pages of the bill before deciding.  Is there anyone out there that knows every little thing that is in this bill?

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      • Author by ajzito (January 30, 2009 9:35 pm ET)
           

        I don't get the Obamaham thing.

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        • Author by oscar the grouch (January 30, 2009 10:07 pm ET)
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          because of the pre-inauguration comparisons of Obama and Lincoln. Just a name, not trying to be derisive or anything (besides I am, after all, a grouch).

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        • Author by roundhouse (January 31, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
             

          Of course not everybody knows what's in the bill. This is about trying things until we find something that works and this is about running government well enough to discard the things that don't work. I know conservatives mistrust government, for good reason. Every time cons run government they invest themselves in destroying it, making your life harder, so they can con you into believing only they can save you. But this bill has to begin implementation soon, before conservatives get the chance to poison the bill to the point that it will certainly fail, so they can go ahead and blame liberals for its failure. See the Republicans understand that once Obama succeeds the public will overwhelmingly convert to progressivism. 

          Isn't it good to know that Rush Limbaugh, the Rpublicans and Al Qaeda are all invested in causing the rest of us to fail for their self-serving ideoligical gain?

          Go, go! GOP! 

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          • Author by roundhouse (January 31, 2009 3:25 pm ET)
               

            Sorry, ajzito. I meant to post that to, Oscar.

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            • Author by oscar the grouch (February 01, 2009 11:39 am ET)
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              Of course you did.  Count me among the majority that supports infrastructure upgrades, but count me against a lot of the pork spending put in the bill. Tranparency and accountability mean a lot, especially because Obamaham ran and was elected using a theme that included those two points.  And he has already turned up some additional revenue (Geitner and Daschle tax underpayments) that probably wouldn't have happened under McCain.

               I saw yesterday the Rs are proposing lowering the two bottom tax brackets. Are you against that? 

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              • Author by roundhouse (February 01, 2009 11:49 am ET)
                   

                Not against lower the two bottom tax brackets, I am against lowering the top brackets. 

                What do you mean by pork? Spending on education, the arts, unemployment insurance, school lunches, Pell grants, park maintenance?

                You keep using the word pork and asking us if we've read the whole bill. Certainly, you wouldn't be insisting the bill is laden with pork, having not read every word yourself?

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              • Author by roundhouse (February 01, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
                   

                Obamaham. Just a name. Despite your claim that you're just having fun (which is the standard wingnut cop-out, btw,) just one aside; for a person who tries to come across so moderate, rational and adult you certainly resort to some childish diminutives.

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                • Author by oscar the grouch (February 01, 2009 10:22 pm ET)
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                  Like I'm the only one here guilty of that, heh? Obamaham may be a term of endearment for all you know.

                  Re-read above, I did not say laden with pork, not even against all that some would call pork, just against a lot of it. If we are going to get to specifics, some of the art funding to me appears to be pork.  Again not against meaningful infrastructure spending, but some of it needs some local buy-in or it's going to look like pork (Amtrak as an example, raise the fares, etc)

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                  • Author by oscar the grouch (February 01, 2009 10:26 pm ET)
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                    And by the way, it ain't pork if it is spent in my Congressional District ;>)

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                    • Author by roundhouse (February 01, 2009 11:09 pm ET)
                         

                      Amen. Being an artist, it ain't pork if it supports the preservation of our creative culture.

                      Just to be clear, you've read it all and feel qualified to decide what is or is not pork?

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                      • Author by oscar the grouch (February 02, 2009 12:09 am ET)
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                        Fortunately, I still have my day job, so I do not have the time to read the full 600+ pages. Have scanned a some of it and from what I see, I tend to agree with 11 Democratic members of the House as it is written.  I would ask the same qualifying question (Have you read it all?) to my Members of the House and the Senate.  And lets see what happens to it after (or while) the Senate votes and it goes to a joint committee for reconciliation.  Even what we see now may not resemble the final package.

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                        • Author by roundhouse (February 02, 2009 2:08 am ET)
                             

                          I still have my job, too. For how long I can't say for sure. Have you considered why you think 50 million for the NEA is a bad deal?

                          Put artists to work on public art and not only do you get well designed public spaces that boost real estate values, you get the artists buying paint brushes, canvasses, wood, metals that somebody else had to make. It puts money in the hands of the eager to work and creates a demand for production of materials. And nobody is more likely to spend their money than a starving artist.

                          It's a bigger interconnected web than what naysayers, who would have you believe that all this spending will go in one direction and stagnate, are telling you. 

                          We could talk about how Pell Grants are similar to tax cuts in that they leave more money in people's pockets for other necessities. We don't even need to discuss the long term value of a well educated society.

                          Infrastructure takes more forms than roads or bridges. Infrastructure is human, too.

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                          • Author by oscar the grouch (February 02, 2009 9:33 am ET)
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                            Art is in the eye of the beholder.  There are several public arts displays around our small city.  Some I think were worth the $, some are a waste of space.  That is a private opinion.  I think in most cases, if there is a local sentiment for public art, that we should be willing to put up the $$ for it privately.  I saw, and again it is my own opinion, the display of banners and flags in Central Park some years ago as a waste as it contributed no long term benefit to the park.  Also when the same artist (forget the name) did much the same thing along the CA coast quite awhile back.

                            Don't think I've ever said that I'm against Pell grants.  I did mention Amtrak and you did not.   

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                            • Author by roundhouse (February 02, 2009 11:29 am ET)
                                 

                              That's fine. Focus on your opinion of art instead the economic activity it generates. Everything is about your opinion, right?  Don't look at the big picture.

                              And the chunk for Amtrak, I don't know the specifics, if it's being used to expand public transit, light rails, etc. I'm for it.

                              Pell Grants were just another example of the bigger picture.

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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (January 31, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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        Heath Shuler even went hat in hand to Granny P. to ASK permission to vote no!  Seems he had a litte uprising in his district from the restless naitives. 

        What we learned was the tre BIPARTISAN vote on this bill was the NAY vote!  Not what team Barry had in mind to give them cover.

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        • Author by eweston8542983 (January 31, 2009 3:02 pm ET)
             

          It looks like "true" partisanship will get another opportuniy in the Senate.

          Really, the plan was to give the Administration cover? Good thing smart guys like you were to smart to be caught in his devious plan.

          :0P 

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      • Author by roundhouse (February 01, 2009 8:13 pm ET)
           

        "but didn't 11 members of the home team also vote no?"

        We can vote them out, too.

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    • Author by the Grey Path (January 30, 2009 8:36 pm ET)
         

      There are basically two outcomes from the stimulus:  It works or it doesn't work.  There are two votes for the Republicans:  Vote for it or against it.

      If the Republicans vote for it and it works - no help in the midterm elections

      If the Republicans vote against it and it works - no help in the midterm elections

      If the Republicans vote for it and it doesn't work - no help in the midterm elections

      If the Republicans vote against it and it doesn't work - no help in the midterm elections

      So, the only option for the Republicans is to vote against it.  Course ... they could try to help their constituents rather than simply focusing on the next election ..... ok, ok, I know better.

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      • Author by the Grey Path (January 30, 2009 8:37 pm ET)
           

        Screwed that up .... Let's try that again:

        There are basically two outcomes from the stimulus:  It works or it doesn't work.  There are two votes for the Republicans:  Vote for it or against it.

        If the Republicans vote for it and it works - no help in the midterm elections

        If the Republicans vote against it and it works - no help in the midterm elections

        If the Republicans vote for it and it doesn't work - no help in the midterm elections

        If the Republicans vote against it and it doesn't work - Republicans could retake the majority in Congress

        So, the only option for the Republicans is to vote against it.  Course ... they could try to help their constituents rather than simply focusing on the next election ..... ok, ok, I know better.

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    • Author by lindenbully (January 30, 2009 8:45 pm ET)
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      NPR played their part in joining the herd mentality on this topic.  On All Things Considered yesterday Mara Liasson reported on the party line vote on the stimulus package focusing on the so-called "failure" of the Obama administration to woo House Republican votes instead of the ideological inflexibility of these same Republicans.  As I recall, former Rep. Tom Davis and current Senator Charles Grassley were interviewed for the piece.  There was no balancing of commentary by including a Democrat to respond.  None.  So in other words, the Republicans lose an important vote in the House and all we get to hear from are Republicans.  A victory for the Democrats results in not a single Democrat's take on the vote in this piece.  Way to go NPR!

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      • Author by worrierking (January 30, 2009 9:04 pm ET)
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        Mara Liasson has turned into a Fox News Flunkie. She and Juan Williams should be dropped from NPR or only used the way David Brooks is used.

        NPR and PBS use David Brooks pretty often, but he's always presented with a more left of center opponent. I see nothing wrong with the way Brooks is utilized but the other two are opinionists posing as journalists.

        It's getting so the only NPR talent not leaning right these days are Tom & Ray Magliozzi.

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        • Author by lindenbully (January 30, 2009 9:13 pm ET)
             

          Has Will Shortz been peddling partisan puzzles or does he fall into the non-partisan category?

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    • Author by steeve (January 30, 2009 8:45 pm ET)
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      The thousandth killshot to the media's relevance.

      This article alone should convince everyone that the media can't analyze anything.  But then articles from 15 years ago proved that too.

      The media doesn't even glimpse the fact that the question "why don't republicans compromise" is never raised??  How myopic and tunnel-visioned can you be?  Please, can just a couple media figures lift their heads out of the group-think sewer for just a couple minutes?

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    • Author by armond5028 (January 30, 2009 9:11 pm ET)
         

      As usual, another well written and informative and soothing-to-the-heart article by Mr. Foser. He has written so many that I think it is time that I offered him the highest honor I can bestow. Mr. Foser, I do hereby award you the title of Political Therapist.

      To my knowledge no one else gives out this title. In fact, I believe that I have invented it.  Therefore, I can determine who shall be given it.

      In real life I am Clinical Psychologist who knows a fair amount about therapies of the mind. I also know that some psychologicals pain is due not to the neuroses inflicted upon us by the imperfections of our development but owes instead to genuine meanness, ignorance, and stupidity on the part of people in powerful positions. When that simple reality is denied by media commentators the very sanity of the public is undermined, and those who are suffering are made to feel worse.

      Mr. Foser actually performs a healing act when he writes exposes the lies of the cruel and heartless and their media mouthpieces. I feel less alone, a little less crazy, when I read his accounts of the way things REALLY are.  We all need the kind of reassurance that comes from being told "You didn't lose your wallet, Mister; that nice looking guy over there, the one who is walking by people and smiling at them and saying 'hi, how are you' is  part of a team of very skilled pickpockets."  And I'd be especially grateful to know that when I sat down to watch the evening news and learned from Bob Hairdo that there's an epidemic of carelessness among the city's populace, with literally hundreds of residents learning that they've quite foolishly mislaid their wallets.

      I have perhaps chosen too silly and trivial an example, but that stems from the depth of my anger at the real ways in which not mere hundreds of people, but hundreds of millions, have been robbed of sometimes very large amounts of life, liberty, and happiness in order to satisfy the desires of a much smaller number who are greedy or puritanical or both. Mr. Foser's insightful articles let us know not only who has done what to whom but who is helping the thieves and brutes among us by covering their deeds with lies and distortions of reality.

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      • Author by mary59 (January 31, 2009 4:51 pm ET)
           

        Nicely stated.  I'd also comment that greed and porno puritanism seem to go together.

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    • Author by ajzito (January 30, 2009 9:21 pm ET)
         

      Part of the blame lies with Obama for his emphasis on "bipartisanship", (whatever the hell he thinks that means, anyway), which helps to make the lack of Republican votes a story.   You point at that our journalists don't seem to remember that there were no Repub votes for Clinton's economic plan, but Obama doesn't appear to know it either.  It mystifies me...I mean, Ray LaHood actually held the gavel at the Clinton impeachent hearings, and here he is in Obama's cabinet.  That's not bipartisanship, that's masochism.  I'm losing patience with this unity schtick - if he doesn't come out fighting soon, the momentum will drain away like old dishwater.

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      • Author by congero6189599 (January 30, 2009 10:07 pm ET)
           

        Check-out this article by Glenn Greenwald @ Salon magazine :  http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/01/29/armey/index.html?source=newsletter

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      • Author by magnolialover (January 30, 2009 10:07 pm ET)
           

        Bi partisanship, in this case, doesn't mean that they have to vote for the bill. What it means is that he sat down with them, heard their voices, and actually, they gave them things that they asked for in the bill. You would not have seen that with the last occupant in the White House. He would have jumped up and down and threw a tantrum if he didn't get everything that he wanted, and he did that on a regular basis.

        Bi-partisanship is listening to the other side. It doesn't mean that they have to be with you, in this case, it would be nice, but it's not required.

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    • Author by oscar the grouch (January 30, 2009 10:17 pm ET)
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      Has anyone read

      subsections (c)(1)(E) and (c)(3)(D), clause (II) (or that portion of clause (III) that relates to clause (II)) of section 205(c)(2)(B)(i) of the stimulus bill?

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      • Author by ajzito (January 31, 2009 1:39 am ET)
           

        Jeez, you ARE a grouch. 

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        • Author by mary59 (January 31, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
             

          Now pay particular attention to this first clause, because it's most important. There's the party of the first part shall be known in this contract as the party of the first part. How do you like that, that's pretty neat eh?

          Chico Marx: No, that's no good.

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          • Author by worrierking (February 01, 2009 8:47 am ET)
               

            "A four-year-old child could understand that. Run out and find me a four-year-old child, I can't make head or tail out of it."

               -Groucho Marx

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            • Author by oscar the grouch (February 01, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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              Sometimes I wonder if we might be better served with 4 year olds in charge :>)

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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (February 02, 2009 9:22 am ET)
                   

                We had a so-called adult with the emotional development of a 4-year-old in charge for the last eight years.

                It didn't work.

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    • Author by truthseeker77 (January 30, 2009 10:47 pm ET)
         

      In fact, bipartisanship proved harmful to our nation in key votes such as the authorization for war in Iraq, Cloture to confirm Alito, renewal of the Patriot Act, etc.

      Read Glen Greenwald's piece entitled "What "bipartisanship" in Washington means"

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      • Author by ajzito (January 31, 2009 1:46 am ET)
           

        Excellent reference, Truthseeker.  Greenwald touches the heart of the matter: "...in almost every significant case, what "bipartisanship" means in Washington is that enough Democrats join with all of the Republicans to endorse and enact into law Republican policies, with which most Democratic voters disagree. That's how so-called "bipartisanship" manifests in almost every case." [emphasis mine]  It's ludicrous that 11 Democrats joined every last Republican in voting against Obama's first piece of legislation.  Does anyone think this is the kind of bipartisanship people voted for in November?  

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      • Author by ajzito (January 31, 2009 1:46 am ET)
           

        Excellent reference, Truthseeker.  Greenwald touches the heart of the matter: "...in almost every significant case, what "bipartisanship" means in Washington is that enough Democrats join with all of the Republicans to endorse and enact into law Republican policies, with which most Democratic voters disagree. That's how so-called "bipartisanship" manifests in almost every case." [emphasis mine]  It's ludicrous that 11 Democrats joined every last Republican in voting against Obama's first piece of legislation.  Does anyone think this is the kind of bipartisanship people voted for in November?  

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        • Author by JimmyCraghorn (February 01, 2009 10:32 am ET)
             

          I didn't mean that literally. I was just saying 'you can say that again' .

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      • Author by ajzito (January 31, 2009 1:46 am ET)
           

        Excellent reference, Truthseeker.  Greenwald touches the heart of the matter: "...in almost every significant case, what "bipartisanship" means in Washington is that enough Democrats join with all of the Republicans to endorse and enact into law Republican policies, with which most Democratic voters disagree. That's how so-called "bipartisanship" manifests in almost every case." [emphasis mine]  It's ludicrous that 11 Democrats joined every last Republican in voting against Obama's first piece of legislation.  Does anyone think this is the kind of bipartisanship people voted for in November?  

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    • Author by ButteryPat (January 31, 2009 3:47 am ET)
         

      I just don't understand how Obama sits down with the House Republicans, listens to them whine and complain about the election, gives them several of the idiotic things they want done, and then when they all vote against it it's HIS fault? For not being bipartisan enough? Jesus, it's the Clinton era again. Be prepared to hate Richard Wolffe again, you guys.

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    • Author by EasyRyderVN (January 31, 2009 8:55 am ET)
         

       

      Kudos to Mr. Foser - he nailed it!  Republicans and their radical right, aristocratic agenda are about as popular as a case of hemorrhoids right now, yet the media continue to portray them as representing the core beliefs of our nation.  Bull!  They brought us to the precipice of disaster and seem intent on taking us over the edge.  I think the nation is, slowly but surely, realizing that they have to think for themselves and ignore the hypertensive hype from most of the pundits while seeking sane views from those with a more informed take on matters – witness the stunning popularity of Rachel Maddow.  We ain’t there yet, but with folks like Jamison making consistent, persistent, rational arguments against the twisted perspective of the media, we’ll get there. 

       

      Excuse me while I take a few moments to make a donation to Media Matters.

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    • Author by wesley (January 31, 2009 12:04 pm ET)
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       -- But, more specifically, most people want the politicians to stop bickering and do things they want done. -- Foser

      A Rassmussen poll taken this week shows that the public is strongly in favor of tax cuts versus govt.spending in a stimulus bill.

      By a margin of over 2:1...the respondents said, "it’s always better to cut taxes than to increase government spending".

      By a less wide margin they responded that tax cuts provide more bang for the buck than govt. spending.

      Lastly, the survey came out in a flat-footed tie when responding to this question, "Should public spending rather than tax cuts be the core of any stimulus plan?"

      What that says to me is that the respondents are strongly in support of tax cuts while also finding benefit in some govt. spending. There are well qualified economists on both sides of the issue.

      Once again Foser stands on principle...leftist as it is...and sounds remarkably like a liberal Limbaugh.

      Compromise or bi-partisanship practiced solely for the effect of "getting along" is simply foolish. No one should compromise in a situation when their principles and core beliefs make them believe that the outcome will be bad for America...it's called leadership.

      To echo Foser's statement that "most people want the politicians to stop bickering and do things they want done."...the answer is simple...if you believe the Rasmussen survey.

      The stimulus package should contain a heavy dose of immediate tax cuts while also embracing a lesser amount of govt. spending on infrastructure limited to the next two years.

      There's your comprise.

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      • Author by loonz (January 31, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
           

        "What that says to me is that the respondents are strongly in support of tax cuts while also finding benefit in some govt. spending. There are well qualified economists on both sides of the issue."

        I don't think so.  I think most respondents may want a taxcut for themselves and that's coming down the line for most Americans.  Did Rasmussen say that it would be tax cuts for wealthy people?

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      • Author by LeftSidePositive (January 31, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
           

        Are the people interviewed in this poll economists that would actually be able to identify what are the best forms of stimulus?

        Might the effects of this survey have more to do with the fact that they have heard 2x as many Republican commentators on the issue than Democrats to shape their opinion.  They have been conned by disingenuous historical analyses about the New Deal.

        Keep in mind: a majority of Americans thought that Iraq was directly involved in 9/11 in 2003.  That didn't make it true.

        A majority of Americans thought it had been proven that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction in 2003.  That didn't make it true.

        A majority of Americans believe the US Constitution establishes the US as a Christian nation.  That doesn't make it true.

        A majority of Americans believe in UFO's.  That doesn't make it true.

        A majority of Americans believed opening drilling in ANWR would lead to immediate relief in gas prices.  That didn't make it true.

        This, ultimately, is why we have representative government: there simply isn't enough time in everyone's lives for each person to be fully informed on every political issue of the day and put our policies to an up-or-down vote by all people.  We need educated people who do research on important issues to find the best solutions--if they fail to do this, it means you need to do something else!

        Another important issue (that applies quite well to the economic example as well) is that these misperceptions of the American public (ok, maybe not so much the one about UFOs) have severe political and electoral implications, and the dangers of an ill-informed (or selectively-informed) populace cannot be overstated.

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        • Author by wesley (January 31, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
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           -- This, ultimately, is why we have representative government...We need educated people who do research on important issues to find the best solutions -- left side positive

           -- A full page ad by the Cato Institute appearing in today’s Washington Post. The ad contains the names of more than 200 economists, including three Nobel Laureates, who refute the Democrats’ big spending policies and underscore the need for a long-term vision that includes lower taxes and less government burden. --

          The Ad.

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          • Author by loonz (January 31, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
               

            The ad contains a lie.  It says more government spending did not pull us out of the Great Depression.  Massive government spending on an unprecedented scale is what brought us out of the Great Depression.

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          • Author by congero6189599 (January 31, 2009 2:45 pm ET)
               

            Wesley 1st. the Rassmussen Poll you cited does not support your conclusion of more tax cuts, I read the article and there are many conclusions to be draw from them.  One thing that was not clear in the article is whether there was a distinction between corporate tax-cuts and more for the wealthy are were people more for tax-cuts aimed at the lower and middle wage workers?  I think the article stated that if you made $40,000 or less you were more for the present plan.  So the question still remains should we listen to and continue the policies of the last 8 yrs--more tax cuts for the wealthy or should we provide a stimulus by creating jobs and giving support and breaks to the middle and low income wage workers.  I think the election gave us that answer.  Your selective use of portions of the article to support your conclusion is just that YOUR conclusion!  You lost.  As far as using the Libertarian CATO institutes economist as proof of something...Well this from wickepedia..." However, on other issues, most notably Social Security,[1][2] global warming,[3][4] tax policy,[5] and immigration,[6][7][8][9][10]Cato scholars have praised administration initiatives."  The administration was the Bush Administration, so they are hardly unbiased and useless as proof of anything.  It's amazing to me how conservatives can argue with a straight face they now have the answer to our economic woes when they created them and all they want to do is more of the same.

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            • Author by loonz (January 31, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
                 

              The Cato Institute is a free market think tank.  Anything that makes corporations more money floats their boat.  They probably would support slavery.

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            • Author by wesley (February 01, 2009 11:12 am ET)
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               -- Cato scholars...are hardly unbiased and useless as proof of anything -- congero

              That's pretty silly...because you have just marginalized the very biased efforts of mmfa as useless.

              Anyone with an opinion exhibits bias and to discount their efforts because of that bias demonstrates a deep-seated unwillingness to examine the issues objectively...perfectly demonstrating the true definition of "kool-aid drinkers"...right or left.

              As for the Rasmussen poll...I didn't selectively reference any "article"...I just referenced the actual poll results. I'm glad you had a look...and you're correct that many conclusions can be drawn when examing any poll numbers...and I stated mine.

              I won't toss your "biased" opinion in the dumpster as useless info...like you have done with the Cato Institure. I'll take it on its face value as your opposition to their positions as you laid out.

              You cited wikipedia as a source...so here's a little more on the subject from wiki about the Cato Institure and their bias:

               -- there are some similarities between progressives and libertarians, including their shared values of peace, tolerance, equality, and individual liberty. Interest in such possibilities has increased as a result of disillusionment with the Bush administration and the Iraq War...

              Cato's scholars advocate positions that are appealing to many on the left-hand side of the American political spectrum, including support for civil liberties, liberal immigration policies, equal rights for gays and lesbians, and peace...

              However, there remains significant differences between progressives and libertarians on issues such as taxes, gun ownership, and school choice. As a consequence, the Cato Institute has criticized a number of decisions made by President-elect Obama, just as it has regularly criticized decisions made by President Bush. --

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              • Author by roundhouse (February 01, 2009 12:49 pm ET)
                   

                Here's an idea. Why don't you go over to whitehouse.gov and enlighten the president with your brilliance. He's asking us all for input. If you think Cato represents the kind of objective economic analysis you profess it to be, go for it, Wes

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              • Author by congero6189599 (February 02, 2009 4:50 am ET)
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                All name calling aside you have a creative way of avoiding things that don't fit your analysis.  The poll you cite is from an article and I'll let others decide if you were totally accurate in your deductions:http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/general_business/public_support_for_economic_recovery_plan_slips_to_42.  You see if you were honest you would've cited your source so others could verify if the conclusion to be drawn as you say is for more tax-cuts.  I noted my question which you seemed to ignore totally :"One thing that was not clear in the article is whether there was a distinction between corporate tax-cuts and more for the wealthy are were people more for tax-cuts aimed at the lower and middle wage workers?  I think the article stated that if you made $40,000 or less you were more for the present plan.  So the question still remains should we listen to and continue the policies of the last 8 yrs--more tax cuts for the wealthy or should we provide a stimulus by creating jobs and giving support and breaks to the middle and low income wage workers.  I think the election gave us that answer."  You said"...the answer is simple...if you believe the Rasmussesn survey..."What you really mean is if we believe your analysis of the poll don't you? From the article:

                "Forty-two percent (42%) of the nation’s likely voters now support the president’s plan, roughly one-third of which is tax cuts with the rest new government spending. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 39% are opposed to it and 19% are undecided. Liberal voters overwhelmingly support the plan while conservatives are strongly opposed..." As for using the CATO institute as proof of your need to reduce taxes why fart around, lets go to the source and you tell me if your not being intellectually lazy.  This is from their website:

                "The Jeffersonian philosophy that animates Cato's work has increasingly come to be called "libertarianism" or "market liberalism." It combines an appreciation for entrepreneurship, the market process, and lower taxes with strict respect for civil liberties and skepticism about the benefits of both the welfare state and foreign military adventurism." So it's no surprise where they stand on the stimulus plan is it?  Considering the source is not silly when considering how much weight you give to a conclusion, infact i think it's a sign of intelligence,it's a filter or "crap" detector that keeps us from being suckers to those who might want to talk us into something contrary and harmful to our interest;  like trying more of the same Bush Tax-cuts that created this mess in the first place, because in principle your skeptical of a "welfare" state. Why is it when we give money to banks and corporations it's called a bailout but when relief and support is given to workers it's called "welfare" or "pork?"  Does it have something to do with "bias?"  Which do you prefer Wesley grape or strawberry?

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          • Author by LeftSidePositive (January 31, 2009 2:51 pm ET)
               

            Oh, the Cato Institute--now THAT'S reliable!!  They are an extreme libertarian think tank known for defending free-market ideology at all costs.  They were at the forefront of the movement to privatize Social Security (imagine the shape we'd be in now!!!), they argued that tobacco should not be regulated because it's cheaper if people die earlier (ibid), prop up contrarian scientists to doubt global warming, is against medical regulation(take that, Vioxx, thalidomides, and nosocomial infections!), and even medical licensing!!

            Asking the Cato Institute's opinion of the stimulus is like asking a vegan's opinion of Ruth's Chris Steakhouse.  I'll stick to the Congressional Budget Office and Paul Krugman, thank you very much.

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            • Author by nickrhoward5890 (January 31, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
                 

              And the really remarkable thing is that you can give factual numbers put out by our government, and if it's ANY NEWSPAPER IN AMERICA that printed the numbers, they will then dismiss the numbers because it came from a biased source. But the Cato Institute is a good, reliable source. So is O'Liely and the big fat idiot or anything from Faux News. The stupidity and dishonesty of those who call themselves conservatives never ceases to amaze me.

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      • Author by congero6189599 (January 31, 2009 3:06 pm ET)
           

        How about this :Better Off Than You Were Eight Years Ago?

        By Guest Blogger on Nov 3rd, 2008 at 4:10 pm

        Are You Better Off Than You Were Eight Years Ago?»

        Our guest blogger is Adam Jentleson, the Communications and Outreach Director for the Hyde Park Project at the Center for American Progress Action Fund.

        In 1980, Ronald Reagan famously asked America, “Are you better off than you were four years ago?”

        After eight years of conservative rule, it’s worth posing a similar question – are Americans better off today than they were eight years ago?

        As our new memo shows, unless you happen to be a big corporation or make enough money to be in the top percentage of earners, the answer is probably no:

        A variety of metrics can be used to judge this question and assess what eight years of conservative policies have wrought. The picture painted here is clear: from job growth to debt, and from income...

        A variety of metrics can be used to judge this question and assess what eight years of conservative policies have wrought. The picture painted here is clear: from job growth to debt, and from income disparity to national poverty indices, the conservative approach of putting big corporations and the very wealthy ahead of the middle class has failed to create prosperity that can be shared by all Americans.

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      • Author by oscar the grouch (February 01, 2009 11:51 am ET)
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        Wesley, that(the Rasmussen poll) goes against a Luntz poll that shows the majority would be in favor of a small tax increase to fund infrastructure improvements. As much as I wouldn't love it, I could favor a short term surtax to help fund the part of the Stimulus Package going to infrastructure improvements.

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        • Author by wesley (February 01, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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          Thanks for the info on Luntz's poll...pretty interesting stuff.

          Since we're going to have a stimulus spending plan...one way or the other...I favor tax cuts over govt. spending. But it's not either/or with me.

          We need the fast acting tax relief with a balance of slower acting infrastruture spending. I'd like to see the ratio at about 2:1...tax cuts to spending...with zero pork.

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          • Author by roundhouse (February 01, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
               

            Fast acting tax cuts? Are you kidding me Boehner boy? When your policy sounds like a freakin' infomercial tag line, it's time to reconsider the validity of your philosophy of government.

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          • Author by roundhouse (February 01, 2009 2:17 pm ET)
               

            And show us the pork in the bill. You wouldn't be one of those conservatives who tells us this current bill is full of pork having not read it yourself, would you? Nah, you wouldn't spout off on subjects of which you have no idea.

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          • Author by roundhouse (February 01, 2009 11:56 pm ET)
               

            "I'd like to see the ratio at about 2:1...tax cuts to spending..."

            What do tax cuts matter to the tens of thousands of people who have lost their jobs? How 'bout you chip in your portion with the rest of us to extend unemployment benefits for them until we can get our country back to full employment. 

            Sacrifice? Apparently that's not a word in the conservative lexicon.

            Seriously, you are like that cheapskate at the cafe with the rest of the plotting bank robbers in the beginning of Reservoir Dogs. He didn't have to pay for the meal, yet he threw a royal hissy that he was asked to pitch in one single dollar with everybody else to tip the server. Resentful little cheapskate that he was, the little community at the table had to shame him into doing the right thing.

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          • Author by ButteryPat (February 02, 2009 6:27 pm ET)
               

            Since when are tax cuts not government spending? See, that's conservatives. When it's a war or a tax cut for Halliburton, it's not spending. When it's welfare for single mothers...

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    • Author by roundhouse (January 31, 2009 1:32 pm ET)
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      Bravo, Jamison Foser. Well done.

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    • Author by denbengerman16 (January 31, 2009 5:25 pm ET)
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      The personal attack in lieu of analysis of issues is nothing new.  I refer to just the beginning chapters of William Manchester's "The Glory and the Dream" to get a sense of the similarity of FDR's transition to office to that of President Obama.  Pay particular attention to Hoover's failed attempts to suck FDR into his failures after the election of 1932 and before FDR took office in March of 1933, and relate that to the attacks on Obama during his shorter transition period.  Just change the names of the presidents, the reporters, the left, the right.  And, change the reference to "communists" during FDR's transition to "socialists", and you will not be able to tell there is a 76 year difference in time.  The more things change, the more they stay the same. 

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    • Author by RonMcElroy (February 01, 2009 10:29 am ET)
         

      Yes, Scorpions don't change.  You can hope for them to not sting.  But only a fool pets a scorpion thinking it will become docile. 

      All that we can do is pray that the non-bipartisanship under Obama has the same economic effect as under Clinton.  Unfortunately, if it works and we pull out of this depression, the Democrats will lose elections and another round of Republican spending will put us back into a hole.  The rich know that we are easily manipulated by fear and so they use it over and over and over.

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    • Author by shaggles (February 02, 2009 11:03 am ET)
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      I don't recall there being a lot of concern over bipartisanship when the Reps had the White House and both houses of congress.  What little there was ran along the lines of calling Dems obstructionist or unpatriotic.  It was absolutely never directed at the Decider. 

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