Barack Obama, Notre Dame, and the Casey myth
President Obama is scheduled to speak at Notre Dame's graduation ceremony this weekend, after more than a month of complaints from a small number of anti-abortion rights activists who have received media attention far disproportionate to their numbers.
Since the announcement on March 20 that Obama would speak, The Washington Post alone has addressed the controversy in 11 articles and columns. The New York Times has dealt with it in eight columns and articles. And as for television news segments, there have been too many to count.
Seeing the media behave as though it is completely natural that the anti-abortion rights activists want to exclude Obama from the Notre Dame commencement because of his views on abortion is more than a little bizarre.
Not only because Obama won a majority of votes cast by Americans, Catholics, Indiana residents, and probably Notre Dame students and faculty (Obama won 58 percent of the vote in St. Joseph County, in which Notre Dame is located). And not only because most of the country favors abortion rights* and stem cell research, as do a plurality of Catholics.
But also because of the Bob Casey myth. For nearly 17 years, the media have told us that the Democrats' refusal to allow Casey to speak at their 1992 national convention because of his opposition to abortion was an exclusionary, closed-minded stunt that drove away potential supporters.
Now, before we go any further, it's important to understand that Bob Casey was not denied a speaking role because of his views on abortion. I extensively debunked this myth in a column last year and won't rehash it now. For now, what matters is that the media have long pretended that it happened and lectured Democrats for taking such an intolerant position. It never made any sense -- particularly not when the Republicans have never allowed anyone to devote an entire convention speech to arguing in favor of abortion rights. So the Republicans have not allowed pro-choice speeches (speeches, not speakers) at their conventions, and most Americans are pro-choice ... and yet it is the Democrats who have been portrayed as a small-tent party. Bizarre.
And now we have conservative activists, at the nadir in their movement's history, with the political party to which they hitch their electoral wagon only slightly more popular than swine flu ... pushing people away, sending a signal that you are not welcome among them if you do not share their opposition to abortion rights and stem cell research. And the media, for the most part, treat this as a natural position for them to take. I haven't seen many warnings that their attempt to deny Obama the opportunity to speak at Notre Dame might drive away the majority of Americans -- and Catholics -- who approve of Obama, or who support stem cell research.
I have, however, seen some typically bad reporting about the nexus of religion and politics.
Take, for example, a recent Washington Post item headlined "Catholics Split Over Obama's Notre Dame Appearance." Sure, that's true -- if by "split," you mean "more than twice as many people approve as disapprove." But that's a pretty nonsensical definition of "split." The article isn't any better than the headline:
A vocal and influential constituency of American Catholics disapproves of the University of Notre Dame's decision to invite President Obama to speak at the Catholic university's commencement and receive an honorary degree in two weeks, but almost twice as many Catholics approve of the invitation, according to a new poll.
Actually, more than twice as many Catholics approve of the invitation, as we'll see shortly. But even the Post's misstatement of the support for the Obama invitation makes clear that the headline is silly.
Back to the Post:
Many people are angry at what they see as one of the nation's most prominent Catholic institutions honoring Obama, who supports abortion rights and embryonic stem cell research.
Yeah, if by "many," you mean "fewer than one in four Catholics." More from the Post:
But a poll just released by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life shows 50 percent of Catholics saying they approve of the Notre Dame award to Obama, with 22 percent saying they disapprove. Twenty-two percent said they didn't know.
See how the Post got it wrong with its claim in the lead that "almost twice as many Catholics" approve of the decision? Fifty percent is more than twice as much as 22 percent, not nearly twice as much. More from the Post article:
The pollsters note, however, that there is a gap in the Notre Dame controversy between more and less observant Catholics. Among white, non-Hispanic Catholics who attend church weekly or more often, approval of the decision plummets to 37 percent. Forty-five percent said the decision was wrong. Among those who attend "less often," 56 percent support the invitation while 23 percent oppose it.
Wait a second. What about Hispanic and non-white Catholics who attend church weekly? "More observant Catholics" and "white, non-Hispanic Catholics who attend church weekly or more often" are simply not synonymous phrases. This is a classic bait-and-switch that is typical of media coverage of religion and politics -- it makes a sweeping statement about the opposition of religious people to progressive politicians and causes, and then supports it with polling data about white religious people. As though the only real religious people are (non-Hispanic!) whites. (Maybe that's because, according to some in the media, people of color aren't "regular people.")
And it shows the hoops reporters jump through to portray opposition to Obama's Notre Dame speech as anything other than a fringe position. Let's see ... we can't say most Americans oppose the invitation ... or most Catholics ... hmmm ... there must be some group that does ... how about white, non-Hispanic Catholics who attend church at least once a week, own a dog but not a cat, live in the Deep South, own guns, and own at least two cars? Bingo! But let's just refer to them as "more observant Catholics."
When reporters -- or pollsters -- have to slice the data that thin, you know they're grasping to justify paying so much attention to this trumped-up "controversy."
* True, there's a new Gallup poll that says most Americans call themselves "pro-life" for the first time. But that's a pretty loaded label. More important, the Gallup results seem fishy. Gallup says the large swing from a year ago is attributable entirely to a 10-percentage-point increase in Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who call themselves pro-life. But that 10-point increase can only result in the overall swing Gallup claims has occurred if more people are Republican or lean Republican today than a year ago. That's possible, but is inconsistent with other polling that shows fewer Americans than ever consider themselves Republicans. Until Gallup releases the full data, its press release shouldn't be taken particularly seriously.
















Is that an essay question or yes/no?
Modern technology continues to whittle away at the distortions and lies promulgated by the pro-choice lobby. A life begins at conception. That life is human life, and as such is due the protection of the state to guarantee his or her 'life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
They expect about 20,000 people there to protest the appearance of a man who denies one of the basic tenets of Christianity, Western Civilization, and the U.S. Whoever made the call to invite him is not listening to his or her own faith.
No, we are not. But by your own overblown rhetoric, it is clear your side is.
*crickets*
Get lost, hypocrite.
The more autonomy/empowerment/education women have, the better. It results in lowered birthrates which are badly needed.
Are you serious about this? How selfish of you. And you call us hypocrites.
Same goes with fertilized eggs that would otherwise be discarded - that "life" doesn't get more respect by being thrown away than by being used in medical research that will help save some lives and vastly improve the lives of living, breathing human life!
Potential life does not get the same protections of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness that a real human being gets.
And even if 20,000 protest, it's a drop in the bucket to the tens of millions who support Obama.
So, your theory on "potential" life, does that mean there is a gray area when it comes to life. You are either alive, a little alive, potentially alive, maybe even a little dead, potentially dead and kind of dead. : )
have you read anything about embryonic stem cell research? In China and other countries who have been trying to further this area of study, there has been no success. More can be done with adult stem cells than with embryonic.
I kind of wonder what the liberal side of anti-abortion laws would become. I mean think about it. If the Democrat party chose to embrace the notion of making abortions illegal, just think of the implications for a moment.
Universal Health Care, for women at least, will be an absolute necessity to care for all these women who will now be forced to carry their babies to term. This will include prenatal care physicians, nutritionists for proper monitoring of diet, therapists for both physical low impact exercises and mental health care. Everything from the pregnancy test to the birth and even post natal care should be paid for 100% by the government. When the Republicans and Conservatives cry foul, we point out that we are merely trying to protect the life of the unborn.
We will need to build more hospitals and care facilities that will care for low income mothers and provide them with the best possible care in controled and sterile environments. These facilities should be prepared to accomodate the mother for the entire term of her pregnancy if she should choose to do so.
Daycare facilitites and quality child care development education should be provided to new mothers as well. Free of charge. Paid for by the tax payer, 100%.
The entire adpotion system that currently exists will have to be revamped. New facilities will have to be constructed, the agencies will have to be expanded and the bureaucracy will have to be streamlined to process the influx of children. This should also include facilities for safe abandonment and an expansion of the laws that protect the women who abandon their children in one of these safe locations.
There will have to be stronger laws in place for the protection of women who are employed to ensure that not only do they continue to receive their salaries from their employer while on pregnancy leave, but that they maintain their benefits, insurance, and can return to their position at any time when a physician has agreed that it is safe to do so.
I tell you, it makes these socialist chops salivate at the big juicy burger of a nanny state that will need to be created to care for all these women and children. Something to think about.
Now explain to me this. how is it that a baby is not a life until it breathes our air. So, it's okay to KILL the baby because it's not really a baby in the first place, right? Now, if a person kills the mother AND the unborn BABY he would be charged for both murders. How is this???
And you all call us the hypocrites????
So you're saying the environment conducive to life is the determinant? So then all those polar bears who are, according to GW fanatics, losing their environments are just "potential" polar bears, right? scoop 'em up, toss 'em out!
Oh, and how many partial birth abortion victims HAVE survived, by the way?
And what you're trying to say is that other people are responsible for your inability to express a clear thought. How unusual, that total lack of personal responsibility coming from a right wing nut. And by unusual, I mean completely predictable.
By the way, Miss DeeMinus, your post is an excellent example of right-winghut projection. It describes every single post you have ever made to this site. You are full of condescension and derision without providing evidence that you are intelligent enough to sustain either, and it is clear that you misunderstand or fear every idea that MMfA addresses here.
MissDee,
Is that a trick question about right-wing lunatics, like yourself or were you just trying to make a funny?
How is it, then that we are called the hypocrites??? Is it not a hypocritical statement to say on one hand that abortion is okay BECAUSE IT IS NOT A LIFE, but once a mother and an unborn baby dies in a murder, it is now considered a life??? And if you say it is not contradictory, then you yourself are a hypocrite.
Disclosure: I am a lapsed or former Catholic. I no longer participate in religious ritual, but I do undertsand the church and how it works, having been raised in it. I don't AGREE with their positions (I'm pro-choice AND pro-death penatly; principled in my opposition, I guess!) by I do admire the logical consitancy that their position possesses. It's lost on the religious fundy's though. (And what's lost on Catholics is just how much they're HATED by the fundy's.)
Get these FACTS through your head, moron: The democrats have taken back both houses of congress, the majority of state governorships and the popular vote in four of the last five elections. YOU are losing arguments on EVERY FRONT.
The conservatives have lost all credability on fiscal discipline, foreign policy and family values. You have proven yourselves to be opportunistinc as opposed to principled and the American people KNOW IT.
So you can stop your gleeful gloating. You'd look mighty arrogant, if you didn't appear so misinformed and stupid.
Christ, it's time to call Wanda Sykes back up to the stage.
In addition to the "Are you prolife?" data, there were also questions on views on abortion restrictions. The percentage which would ban all abortions, is lower than the percentage calling themselves "prolife".
I think the disconnect is simple - lots of people use the term "prolife" to describe what they would do personally, and not as a political term. There are lots of people who, personally, would not choose abortion, but at the same are not willing to make that decision for someone else.
In other words, I think that the "personally pro-life/politically pro-choice" group is a not insignificant percentage. It serves the political pro-life side to try to raise the temperature of the discussion, to sway more of this group. Conversely, the pro-choice side really has to acknowlege that some people will choose alternatives to abortion, yet support abortion rights for others.
ND does not equal abortion issues.
So. It's a university. A very well-known private university with a SMALL amount of academic prestige, but a HUGE amount of alumni network support. It is in one of the university's best interests to have Presidents of the United States speak there, at any opportunity. This is essentially true of any major university, or any university that wishes it could be a major university.
However, ND gets a lot of donations from alumni who care about abortion (and football). They just have to decide if they'd rather have the money, or the prestige. The university board/president/curators are not making a decision about abortion (or any political issue) no matter what the media try to tell you.
I heard several days of make-believe outrage that Obama was going to be "allowed" to speak to Catholics at NOtre Dame.
And just as this outrage was hitting it's climax, the wingnuts were instructed to adopt a brand new and completely opposite outrage that Obama was NOT going to speak to Catholics on the National Day of Prayer.
I realize these hard core rightys are a relatively small segment of our population, but there must be at least a few million, and I'd be concerned if there were only a hundred of my fellow Americans that were gullible enough to be manipulated the way they are.
Of course you're right, but maybe it should be a prerequisite as reparation for this university having taken liberties with the economic and social prospects of Irish Americans for over a century. I don't know much about Notre Dame other than that they have had some good football teams and that they, unfortunately, get A LOT of attention. As an Irish-Catholic American myself, I wish they'd consider dropping the word "Fighting" from their teams' name. (I've felt this way for a very long time.)
It's weird enough to name any team after an ethnicity or race such as the Vikings or the Celtics or Indians, but to also add a negative characterization is 'beyond the pale' in my mind. What other group in this country is so maligned? Imagine a similar slur for another nationality, like The Genocidal Generics (fill in the group), The Hagglin' Whoevers, The Fornicating Whachamacallems.
But as bad as the above imaginary examples would be, I submit that 'Fighting' is worse in that it much more so invites discrimination. What boss wants to hire somebody whose going to disrupt their organization with physical violence? What manager wants to make a hire who is likely to assault him if and when he has to fire that person? What landlord wants to rent to someone who might hurt his current tenants or maybe himself if he has to evict? What potential customer wants to do business with someone who's likely to try to beat them up if there is a business dispute? Etecetera. Combine that with the over-drinking stereotype and we have quite the obstacle to overcome.
They may say I'm being too sensitive, that "Fighting" is a positive and manly sort of appellation. Maybe so, but what about that young Irish American who can't get a job, can't find a place to stay who winds up in the criminal justice system? How much good will an unearned reputation for pugilistic prowess or temperament do him with the true tough guys in prison?
Any of you disagree? Want a piece of me?---I'm right here. I'll kick your candy asses up and down these boards so bad you'll wish YOU was never born.
(kidding on the last bit)
The name ("Fighting Irish") actually was given to the ND football teams of the past as a term of admiration by journalists. It was not a term selected by the University. Journalists used the term because the team featured tough, combative Irishmen and it caught on. The teams liked being referred to in that way. So, it's not really a derogatory term toward the Irish.
But, obviously the school sees how it can be problematic, as you've described, which is why they don't use it any more.
Besides it's those Italians that are the real scrappers ;-)
Obama is only being awarded an honorary degree by a Catholic university. Brauner waa given one of the Church's highest honors by a very orthodox Cardinal, yet there was scarcely any mention of this by the Catholic Right. Or is there a different standard for European politicians?
Start walking, we know. One entitled, the horizon becomes smaller, yet unattainable. In other words, you having all the gold, does not mean you own me. Fear and control. If I take your money, I am in debt. Keep your money, get richer. I am not for sale. I have questions, pay with your actions. I have one vote!
After all, I don't support legislation which brings us dead women in back-alleys, you know?
Laws against abortion don't prevent abortion, they just prevent legal abortion.
Claiming to be pro-life while opposing legal abortion is just a lie.
"Laws against __bad_thing__ don't prevent __bad_thing__, they just prevent legal __bad_thing__."
Having watched David Gregory on this morning's Meet The Press use the stats from this poll as "facts" that needed to be dealt with by his two guests, I can see that we can't count on the big network newsboys and girls to raise an appropriately skeptical eyebrow. Something is clearly wrong with this poll. It's up to us to find out what's going on!
Thing is, there's 6% missing in that poll:
50 + 22 + 22 = 94%. So 6% have an opinion, but their opinion isn't approve/disapprove, and it isn't "don't know"? I think that what happened is that the Post grouped these people in as "disapprove" when calculating "almost two to one".
http://www.2think.org/abortion.shtml
You might be surprised by what you learn. Interesting stuff.