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Is Fox News big enough for Shep Smith and Glenn Beck?

June 16, 2009 8:38 am ET

It must have been an awkward elevator ride for Shep Smith over at Fox News headquarters last Friday, heading up to the 12th-floor studio where his Fox Report program originates. I'm just imagining the nasty looks he must have gotten from co-workers -- if any of them even agreed to ride between floors with him -- on the day that liberal New York Times columnist Paul Krugman praised Smith in print. Krugman actually referenced him by name as somebody inside Fox News who refused to go along with the "big hate": the right wing's anti-Obama rhetoric -- almost bloodlust -- that now dominates conservative discourse.

Talk about putting a target on the back of a Fox News anchor. A shout-out from the hated Times op-ed page? Things only got worse for Smith over the weekend when the Times' Frank Rich also singled out the Fox News anchor for praise. I mean, c'mon. Were Krugman and Rich trying to get the guy fired?!

In fact, even before being name-dropped by Times liberals, right-wing bloggers had already teed off on Smith ("Shep sucks"; "Shepard Smith has got to go") for having the nerve to call out the "crazies" on the fringe who were targeting President Obama and feeding off conspiratorial hate.

The truth, of course, is that Smith's job isn't in danger. He's considered an untouchable (ratings) golden boy within Fox News who has the backing of his boss, Roger Ailes. (Not to mention a gargantuan $7 million salary.)

Yet by pushing back on the air against the same right-wing hatred that others at Fox News now regularly foment, I wonder if Smith feels increasingly uncomfortable or alienated within Fox News. If he feels like a stranger within the cable news channel he's been with since its inception, as it now rushes headlong into the GOP fever swamps and does it with Glenn Beck, and his conspiratorial ranting, as the new face and voice of Fox News.

I'm starting to wonder if Fox News is big enough for Shep Smith and Glenn Beck.

For the past decade, Fox News brass offered up the same predictable retort that the channel did news during the day and opinion after 8 p.m., and hey, there's nothing wrong with that. (Even if all the opinion ran in one direction.) But now it's opinion in the morning with Fox & Friends, it's opinion in the late afternoon with Glenn Beck at 5 p.m., and opinion 24/7 with Fox Nation online, which mines the territory of everything right of the Drudge Report.

Smith for years has publicly defended Ailes' credo of "fair and balanced," but it's hard to see how the anchor believes it anymore, as he watches the channel he works for actively rile up the right-wing crazies. If Smith watches any of the other 22 hours of Fox News programming that air each day when he's not in front of the camera, he certainly understands that his employer probably represents the most dangerous voice today when it comes to whipping up irrational hostility toward the new president.

Since Smith has been at Fox News, its transformation has mirrored that of the Republican Party. Meaning, back in the late 1990s, the GOP still projected a semblance of a big tent party, and so did Fox News, which, in its early days, often did a reasonable job of reporting the news and keeping the wild partisan fever in check. Yes, it had an anti-establishment chip on its shoulder, and Smith over the years has been proud to display his, but it still performed a newsgathering service.

It wasn't until the Florida recount in 2000, I think, that Fox News went all in with the GOP and made a conscious decision to sever its ties with traditional journalism. Since then, of course, whatever journalism links remained were certainly cut during Fox News' unabashed cheerleading of the Iraq war and unquestionably in the wake of the Obama's inauguration, when Fox News rushed into the fever swamps.

In fact, Fox News now routinely apes the most radical and hateful rhetoric found anywhere on the far right. Fox News, like the Republican Party (or at least Rush Limbaugh's Republican Party) is now for true believers only. Dissenting voices, such as Smith's, are no longer welcome. Viewers prefer a drum-tight conformity and become incensed when somebody veers off script, even for just two or three minutes. Fox News is for those who think that Obama is a fascist, that he might not be a natural-born citizen, and that he wants to take away your guns.

Basically, Fox News is for those who are convinced that Obama is destroying America on purpose.

Whether consciously or not (its prime-time shows are run as hands-off fiefdoms, so I doubt there's been internal coordination), Fox News has positioned itself as the opposition party of the Obama White House. And it's hard for anyone to make the serious claim that Fox News still practices journalism as it's commonly defined or recognized. The question then becomes, does Smith want to make his living being part of the opposition party?

And a party led by Beck?

What started the latest fracas? In reporting on the immediate aftermath of the Holocaust museum shooting, when it became known that the alleged gunman was a lone-wolf white supremacist, Smith recalled that the Department of Homeland Security had issued a report in April warning about exactly that type of attack. It was a report that conservatives universally condemned, claiming it targeted Obama's political opponents.

Last Wednesday, though, Smith stated the obvious:

[T]his is a former military guy and he's gone extremist. They were warning us for a reason -- not about something political or social or anything else. ... It was a warning to us all. And it appears now that they were right.

In the eyes of Fox News' right-wing viewers, that was heresy. After all, Fox News' own Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly had led the charge in demonizing the DHS report, claiming it represented a clear case of the Obama administration targeting (harassing?) everyday Americans, even "moms that worry about massive debt," Beck warned ominously. (The report, which was begun under the Bush administration, was actually about skinheads and white supremacists, but that never slowed Beck's attacks.)

Not only did Smith take part in some necessary truth-telling about the DHS report, he then bemoaned the "more and more frightening" emails he was receiving from conspiratorial "crazies" on the far right, who were feeding off anti-Obama conspiracy theories, "feeding each other the same bunch of hate that's not based in fact." Specifically, Smith singled out the shut-ins (my phrase, not his) who claim Obama isn't a natural-born citizen and therefore is ineligible to sit in the Oval Office. That right-wing school of thought has been going strong for the past year, and it turns out that the museum shooting suspect, James von Brunn, was a loyal disciple of it.

"We know it's absolutely -- there is no truth whatsoever -- zero -- to any of those ideas, yet they live within the computer and they fester in people's minds," Smith lamented.

Smith has made news before with brief outbursts that ran counter to the Fox News orthodoxy. (See here, here, and here.) But last week's eruption seemed to strike a different chord because, indirectly, at least, it pointed a finger of blame at Fox News and the hate rhetoric it's been wallowing in.

Maybe Smith just doesn't like the new Glenn Beck direction that Fox News is taking. The pushback might also be explained by some of the internal politics within the Fox News executive suites. For instance, former editorial czar John Moody was recently moved upstairs. It was Moody who for years issued the daily Fox News marching orders in the form of morning memos that laid out the day's talking points and which stories the network would hit and which ones it would play down.

In Moody's place now, and overseeing editorial, is Jay Wallace, who used to be an executive producer for Smith's show. Perhaps Smith now feels less restricted in terms of network orthodoxy knowing his ally is in charge and that he won't have to answer to a Moody email or phone call regarding messaging. (Wallace is seen as being less rigid in terms of FNC messaging.)

But what is still considered verboten within Rupert Murdoch's world is criticizing other Fox News personalities on the air. And while Smith did not name names last week with his tangent about "crazies" who are still searching for Obama's birth certificate, it's quite obvious that Fox News itself is guilty of pushing the "birther" conspiracy theory. (And so is Limbaugh, which made his indirect attack on Smith last week all the more telling.)

In truth, the Fox News big tent that Smith used to work for has collapsed. And today, Beck is holding up the last remaining pole.

Where does Smith fit in?

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    • Author by (June 16, 2009 9:14 am ET)
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      Smith is a wisemouth, and a bitter man. I turn him off whenever he's on the air because he depresses me- I never agree with him anyway. I for one would love to see him go elsewhere. He can't even read the news correctly or without managing to put his foot in his mouth.
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      • Author by kfraz43 (June 16, 2009 10:49 am ET)
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        "Can't even read the news correctly" must be code for "stick to the talking points".
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      • Author by snoopy (June 16, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
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        I never agree with him anyway...

        More proof that rightwingers don't want news, they want someone to tell them what they think is the news.
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      • Author by wzwriter (June 16, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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        This guy is so ashamed of his opinions that he doesn't even use a user name. How does THAT work???
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 16, 2009 6:05 pm ET)
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        What a nobody! LOL.
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      • Author by maymet (June 17, 2009 7:07 am ET)
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        Sometimes the truth hurts and often it is shameful. I applaud Smith for standing up for the harm that FOX News does. Christians do NOT act the way Beck and O'Reilley do.
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        • Author by J Swift (June 17, 2009 11:28 am ET)
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          Maybe Christians do not act the way Beck and O'Reilly do. But there are a lot of people who call themselves "Christians" - Anne Coulter comes to mind - who spout just as much hate, if not more.
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      • Author by LuvLuLu (June 17, 2009 8:18 pm ET)
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        Anyone else find it interesting that the first post is by a no-name poster who fails to respond to the point of Media Matters and instead throws out a personal attack?

        Imagine that. Going after the messenger instead of the message.
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    • Author by terrapin53 (June 16, 2009 9:21 am ET)
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      For $7 million a year, I might even be able to figure out a way to fit in.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 16, 2009 10:05 am ET)
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        He doesn't have to. That's the beuty of it. It'll cost Fox several years worth of that to buy him out. And once they do, CNN or MSNBC or maybe a REAL network would pick him up. I hope he keeps it up. He really has nothing to lose here by trying to be an actual journalist.
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        • Author by cmac8185 (June 16, 2009 2:23 pm ET)
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          MSNBC a REAL network? Are you kidding me? I make it a point to catch something from all the news networks, and MSNBC is - by far - the most biased, profane network of the bunch. I have been afflicted with a journalism degree, and MSNBC does not have a single anchor/reporter who grasps the foundation of the scienct - objectivity.
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          • Author by magnolialover (June 16, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
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            Apparently, you've never watched FoxNews, because MSNBC is a lot closer to what is really going on than FoxNews. If you want to talk the most biased, Fox is the place to roll. I mean, that's not even really up for debate.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 16, 2009 4:02 pm ET)
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            Apparently you didn't read my post either, because I said "CNN or MSNBC or maybe a REAL network." Although I think your description of MSNBC is absurd, just like everything FOX ever does - outside of Shep Smith just the past few days - if you had more than the average conservative's reading comprehension ability, you'd have realized that I distiguished MSNBC from "real networks" in my statement anyway. "A, B or C" does not imply that B=C. So try to keep up.

            And Mag's is dead-on. Fox is 100X farther away from true journalism than MSNBC. (MSNBC may have some issues with objectivity, but Fox has those three times as bad easily, PLUS severe issues with ACCURACY, which I've never seen on MSNBC.) Only a brainwashed con could fail to see that.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (June 16, 2009 6:00 pm ET)
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              That should tell you something about his journalism degree Nice Guy. Apparently, reading comprehension was not a requisite.
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            • Author by teabaggers ♥ [wing]NUTS (June 16, 2009 9:57 pm ET)
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              well put, niceguy. all fox news does is tow the party line for the republicans praising the hell out of them while bashing obama all day. while msnbc goes after conservatives a lot, at least when you watch them you see some criticism of obama.
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              • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 17, 2009 9:54 am ET)
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                And their criticisms of conservatives / repubouicans have the advatage of being ACCURATE. Not just foaming-at-the-mouth BS and absurd hyperbole like the nonsense that passes for "criticism" on Fox. There's a reason that conservtaive media site's go after BIAS as opposed to MISINFORMATION, like MMFA does: lack of material!
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                • Author by teabaggers ♥ [wing]NUTS (June 17, 2009 6:40 pm ET)
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                  yep, you can never run out of material against the conservatives... they are a glorified comedy team to make fun of.
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          • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (June 16, 2009 4:53 pm ET)
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            I have a journalism degree from the Univ. of New Mexico...

            and a Masters Degree in Communications and Media Studies from the Univ. of Colorado.

            I regularly watch Fox and MSNBC and it's not even close. MSNBC--while far from perfect--is vastly superior to the nightmare that is Fox News.
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 17, 2009 7:33 am ET)
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              I don't have a journalism degree, but you don't have to be an artist to know when a painting stinks.

              Fox stinks of bias and untruth.
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          • Author by chavez_frank9414 (June 17, 2009 7:33 am ET)
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            Afflicted with a journalism degree? Journalism is a disease? And what is scienct? Do you mean science? Since when is journalism a science?
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          • Author by historygeek001 (June 17, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
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            cmac:

            1. Journalism is not a science.
            2. Journalism does not mean "reciting Republican talking points."
            3. People like Maddow and Olbermann are biased, but they don't spout lies. They also do not hesitate to criticize Democrats; Fox is a Republican mouthpiece.

            If you truly have a degree in journalism, I'm surprised you don't already know this.
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        • Author by jcalton (June 17, 2009 11:35 am ET)
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          by NiceguyEddie (June 16, 2009 10:05 am ET)
          He doesn't have to. That's the beuty of it. It'll cost Fox several years worth of that to buy him out. And once they do, CNN or MSNBC or maybe a REAL network would pick him up. I hope he keeps it up. He really has nothing to lose here by trying to be an actual journalist.

          In fact, if they ever fire him, they will either have to pay him a LOT of money for a non-disclosure agreement, or else let him make millions for writing tell-all books about Fox News.
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    • Author by captfoster2 (June 16, 2009 10:13 am ET)
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      "Where does Smith fit in?"

      He does not anymore and he needs to get out of Fox as quickly as possible!

      I know that Shep is not a liberal, but that has nothing to do with the situation at hand. He seems like a decent guy and apparently is not unhinged like the rest of the Fox-Noise lunatics.

      Save yourself Shep and get as far away from the right-wing fringe... now that the defacto leader of the GOP (Rush) has set his sights on you, not to mention what we all know is in your consciousness about the obvious... that Fox IS a leading cheerleader for extremism! Get out now! Before it or they chews you up and spits you out!

      I said this before in another thread...

      It is time for MSNBC and Fox to do a swap...

      Morning Joe for Shep Smith
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      • Author by robyn20094113 (June 16, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
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        Just maybe he might get just one person at Fox to open their eyes and see how horrible they have become.???
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        • Author by historygeek001 (June 17, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
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          You're more optimistic than I am. I think they've abandoned all pretence of practicing actual journalism.
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      • Author by lookoutoftheyard2251 (June 16, 2009 6:25 pm ET)
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        Can MSNBC throw in Pat Buchanan? Just to make the deal more lucrative?
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    • Author by Peter.P (June 16, 2009 10:14 am ET)
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      It is amazing that a right wing anchor such as Smith can seem centrist when put in with the far right nutjobs at FOX News. It is however only an illusion.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 16, 2009 12:52 pm ET)
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        It is however only an illusion

        Exactly right, Peter P. Smith's sin here is eventually succumbing to reality, and while his job may be safe, I'm sure he's considered persona non grata in the Fox Bunker.

        Don't forget the reaction by the far right to John McCain. He got in line with most of the wingnut program, but seemed to understand climate change and spoke out against the use of torture. For these dangerous flirtations with sanity, he was hated by many in the Republican base.

        It's a sliding scale at Fox.
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    • Author by jflz201884 (June 16, 2009 10:46 am ET)
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      Shepard Smith, 45, is "old school" journalism student. That is, he wants to get the story and tell it truthfully. So $7 million salary notwithstanding, he and Fox News no longer are a fit.
      The farther Fox plunges into the GOP fever swamps (nice imagery, Eric), the more out of place Smith will seem.

      Jerry Elsea
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (June 16, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
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        Yeah, I like that...

        GOP FEVER SWAMPS

        Has a nice flow to it.
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    • Author by overmars jr. (June 16, 2009 11:29 am ET)
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      I don't want him leaving to go anywhere. He is exactly where is he is needed most right now.
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    • Author by herestheblag9783 (June 16, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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      Dont waste your time Eric, Shep fits in perfectly. You really should view Fox news as one would view the WWF; Everyone is a stereo typical character, everyone has their story and its all staged to get the biggest reaction - doesnt matter what the reaction is.

      Conflict sells and conflict in the Fox trenches is only going to push the viewing numbers up. Firstly becuase of The soap opera element that everyone can enjoy and secondly because every righty wants to have the 'inside' intel.

      Nuff said.
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      • Author by robyn20094113 (June 16, 2009 3:28 pm ET)
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        You are probably correct (I almost said right lol) Smiths stereo typical character....Fox's TOKEN non republican...so they can claim "Fair and Balanced."
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    • Author by only_myschly3567 (June 16, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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      "Take the high-road, or stoop to his level? Well I think the answer is obvious".

      However, I wouldn't mind if he stole a couple of Glenn Beck viewers because of this behavior. As much as this video showed how low he can stoop, at least he won't pretend to be insane to get ratings.
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    • Author by vwcat (June 16, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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      my guess is that Smith is feeling some alarm over the emails he and Fox are getting.
      The somewhat off the wall ones were fine for laughing about but, as the rhetoric has amped up and gotten more conspiratorial, the emails are reflecting this and have become downright scary to Smith.
      If something was to happen to the president or attempted, he knows Fox will be held at the least, partially responsible. The emails are getting very scary, the atmosphere is charged and Fox is going full tilt radical. Smith may be wanting things to back off a bit.
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    • Author by KLJTech (June 16, 2009 1:50 pm ET)
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      I watch Keith Olbermann and enjoy his show but what I truly wished we had was a 24 hour news station that just told the truth without a left or right slant. Maybe that isn't possible or wouldn't achieve high ratings but I'd watch. Guys like Limbaugh, Beck and Savage spew hate hour after hour and hosts on Fox act as if they're similar to Walter Cronkite.

      I voted for Obama but I can handle it if he makes a mistake so just tell the truth. Bush told lie after lie and has gotten over four thousand of our brave men and women of the armed forces killed in an unnecessary war and Fox stuck up for him all the while. Before president Obama even took office Limbaugh was calling this "The Obama Recession." Oh please, whoever is willing give us the news of the day while telling the truth I'm wiling to listen.

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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (June 16, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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        KLJ,
        Any station that simply presented the news would be immediately branded "far left."

        You make an interesting point though. I've wondered if say, NPR, couldn't gain viewers by actively contrasting itself with the gas bag loons over at places like Fox News.
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        • Author by J Swift (June 17, 2009 11:35 am ET)
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          The right wing gasbags occasionally claim that NPR is left wing. If you go far enough to the right, it seems that facts and truth are liberal.
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      • Author by NdlovukaziThor (June 17, 2009 1:54 am ET)
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        I'd like it if there were also this option, and I knew nothing about the anchors, but instead everything that was going on out in the real world. The public is so obsessed with being entertained, they get bored if they don't know the juicy gossip or aren't told what they should think. Partisan infotainment is so exciting!

        If I wanted yellow journalism, I'd ask the toilet for the news.
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    • Author by evsaund5494 (June 16, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
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      Smith makes $7 million a year??????

      Any educated guesses as to what Landay and Strobel make at McClatchy? I have always thought that if there was any integrity in the big league news rooms, there would have been a bidding war for the two guys that actually got it right about Iraq.

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      • Author by solon (June 16, 2009 2:08 pm ET)
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        Wouldnt it be nice to live in THAT world
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      • Author by robyn20094113 (June 16, 2009 3:36 pm ET)
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        Yet that is far less than what Hannity gets paid. So much for Fair and Balanced
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    • Author by osheab10 (June 16, 2009 2:01 pm ET)
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      God bless nationalized heatlhcare
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    • Author by osheab10 (June 16, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
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      Glenn Beck should stop spewing the hatred toward liberals like me. It's kind of hurting my feelings.
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      • Author by Conchobhar (June 16, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
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        Gotta go with FDR: "I accept their hatred, and I revel in it." (or words to that effect)
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        • Author by robyn20094113 (June 16, 2009 3:39 pm ET)
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          Yes question your character if they approve of you!!!!
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        • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (June 16, 2009 5:15 pm ET)
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          FDR

          "“We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace — business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering. ... Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me. And I welcome their hatred!"
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    • Author by shaggles (June 16, 2009 2:06 pm ET)
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      I wonder what the attitude is in the news room at Fox? Are they really all hardcore right-wing true believers or do they just play them on tv? It's a bit of both I suspect. Does a disagreement mean they don't get along personally? Or that when push comes to shove Smith won't back Fox? Probably not. Look at the last Presidential election. There seemed to be plenty of animosity between Hillary and Obama during the primaries but she supported him in the general and now became his SoS.
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      • Author by joe72892 (June 16, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
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        im dagon sick and friking tired of all y'all postin up on this darn website about how bad them conservativisms is. I understanding y'all want yer rights and free gas and stuff, but please mamma, quit the tootin, shut yer trappers all y'all republicans haten libbies. PS Tell Rachel Maddow that if shes upset about prop 8, she can move to my state and get married, tell er cum to the hampshire and get some.
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        • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (June 17, 2009 12:49 am ET)
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          Joe72...

          You get knucklehead of the day award. You dah moor-on!
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      • Author by osheab10 (June 16, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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        Why is every comment on this freakin site liberal!!!!!!!
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        • Author by shaggles (June 16, 2009 2:29 pm ET)
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          What part of my comment is liberal?
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          • Author by Conchobhar (June 16, 2009 3:57 pm ET)
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            I think the part where you seemed to want to know what was actually going on. "Reality based community," and all that, you remember?
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        • Author by KLJTech (June 16, 2009 2:47 pm ET)
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          What part of just "give me the truth when presenting the news" liberal?
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        • Author by snoopy (June 16, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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          why do you hate liberals commenting? Against free speech or something?
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        • Author by historygeek001 (June 17, 2009 3:22 pm ET)
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          You seem to think that wanting to actually report the news is liberal. Are you really advocating for "journalism" that is not based on facts? Remember, Fox went to court for right to lie and call it "news."
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    • Author by osheab10 (June 16, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
         
      Fox news is clearly anti-america and this proves it.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 17, 2009 7:40 am ET)
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        Looks like we have an oscillating troll here. First posts as if from the left, then as if from the right.

        Best to ignore both of him.
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    • Author by Sally HIll (June 16, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
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      "Truth" is relative. I consider myself to be pretty conservative, but sometimes I see Fox as leaning to the left - or not conservative enough! But many here say they see Fox as really right-winged. That's why I think it is all relative - from our own perspective.

      I NEVER watch Shep - besides thinking he is just silly - he is a bit liberal for me. When he comes on I turn to CNN, which to me is pretty middle of the road, but B-O-R-I-N-G. I used to really like Kiren Chetrey when she was on Fox, but now that she is on CNN, I can't stand to watch her and her madonna attitude.

      I agree that while some journalist skew the truth, I think most of them think they are telling us the truth, just happens to be their truth, which might be different from your truth.

      And while I do have questions about Obama's legitamcay, I don't see it as a conspiracy - I see it as a matter of law. Law that has yet to be interpreted since the Supreme Court won't take it up. How can Biden question the legitimacy of Iraq's Administration when so many American's question the legitimacy of the Obama Administration. Kind of like the pot calling hte kettle black. Obama and Achmadenijad a pair - they both just ignore the questions. Perhaps Biden should just embrace the generally accepted liberal view on this situation. Achmadenijad won, the people voted and he got the majority of the vote (no matter how legit it was) so get over it. End of story. Period. LOL Sounds silly doesn't it? Yeah, it does from my side of the fence too.
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      • Author by magnolialover (June 16, 2009 5:00 pm ET)
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        Umm, Obama's legitimacy is not in question. The reason why the Supreme Court didn't take it up, is because the claim is without merit, or proof, those are the kinds of things that need to be in place before you can pursue something in a court of law, and especially the Supreme Court.

        The man was born in Hawaii. Please, let it go.

        It's also laughable that you think FoxNews is too liberal at times. Any objective observer would never come to that conclusion. They don't have a single liberal show anywhere.

        Who do you think is a better source? WND? Freeperville?
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      • Author by solon (June 16, 2009 5:10 pm ET)
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        Do yourself a favor. Leave the cramped confines of Planet Wingnut and come visit us on Planet Earth. Try for just a while being part of the reality based universe. Better let a little reality in around the edges at first so you dont go into shock. Then perhaps a little more until one day you MIGHT learn to recognize just how delusional the rightwing talking points you have been brainwashed with are. Give reality a try. Who knows you might like it.
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (June 16, 2009 6:30 pm ET)
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        Long Tall Sally...

        You need to take a look at your post. There are so many holes, gaps in logic and just plain "crazy talk," one might think you are a conservative.
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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 17, 2009 12:53 am ET)
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        And while I do have questions about Obama's legitamcay, I don't see it as a conspiracy - I see it as a matter of law. Law that has yet to be interpreted since the Supreme Court won't take it up.


        The Supreme Court won't take it up?

        My answer......loosen your tin-foil a bit.

        You, "not a conspiracy, just the law" folks are deranged and in need of medication or confinement, so the Supreme Court told you to take the marbles, you use for a brain and GO HOME!!

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    • Author by easterner (June 16, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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      With 7 mill in his pocket I would think he would care less what the nut jobs think.Hey if his co workers want to diss him good!It just shows what kind of news source fox really is, um mm what kind of news source does fox claim to be? All they do is bash anyone or anything that suits them and they act so concerned for America.
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    • Author by magnolialover (June 16, 2009 3:51 pm ET)
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      Did someone open up the crazy door on this thread? If you are going to post, at least use good, or somewhat decent sentence structure.
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      • Author by Conchobhar (June 16, 2009 3:58 pm ET)
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        "This is the kind of impudence up with which I will not put!"
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 16, 2009 4:22 pm ET)
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          I think Joe#### got dagon sick & tired of 3rd grade. Osheab10 was doing pretty well( at least as far as style, not content) until he ended his question with a bunch of exclamation points.
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          • Author by Conchobhar (June 17, 2009 4:12 pm ET)
               
            I guess by "Joe####," you mean the flower loving cat. In replying to him I was just trying to inject a little humor, quoting a famous ( I thought) line of Winston Churchill's.
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 17, 2009 9:04 pm ET)
                 
              Hey Con, I'm familiar with the quote that a preposition you didn't end it with.I was really replying to Mag's question about the crazy door being left open.

              I miss that "in reply to" note that used to appear above the comments> :)
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              • Author by Conchobhar (June 18, 2009 10:40 am ET)
                   
                Gotcha. Sorry I misunderestimated you. Love your syntax in that first sentence.
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    • Author by 3rdParty (June 16, 2009 4:23 pm ET)
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      Unfortunately the money bags at Fox are loving Beck because he has suddenly brought in ratings for that time slot that is combating Chris Matthews.

      I could really care less about Shep. But he does annoy me quite a bit.

      I see CNN in his future. CNN's big problem right now is figuring out how to make Anderson Cooper's broadcast less boring.

      Rachel Maddow is having that same problem over at MSNBC. I really tried to like her and agreed with a lot that she was saying before and shortly after the election. I cut her some slack because she was a rookie with her own show and came across as pretty nervous at first.

      She's settled into her role now but her show is just soooo darned BORING. I think it's because she spends waaaay too much time on her laptop therefore she comes across sounding kind of like a boring robot.
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      • Author by gonko (June 16, 2009 5:53 pm ET)
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        this is what's so upsetting to me. News is SUPPOSED to be BORING. It's NEWS, not entertainment. That's why the 24 hour news stations need to go. They're all scrambling for ratings which shouldn't be the drive behind news. It should be journalistic integrity, not ratings.
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        • Author by 3rdParty (June 17, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
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          By boring, I didn't mean that Rachel and others need some big entertainment production. I meant boring like Ben Stein...Bueller; Bueller... It's like having a boring teacher/professor who makes it much more difficult to learn because of the BOOOORING delivery. An excellent teacher knows how to engage and inspire their students to want more of their knowledge.

          I really hope you don't look to get your news from people like Rachel, Keith, O'rielly, Hannity, Limbaugh etc. None of those people have NEWS programs. They have entertainment shows where they voice their opinions.

          I get my news from the newspaper; Then I research certain stories on the internet by reading the local ground reporter's eyewitness accounts. I also watch international broadcasts such as BBC News. CNN headline news is one source where I get the basic news stories of the day which will be the main talking points throughout all of the cable "news" stations.

          When I watch shows like Rachel's Keith's, Hannity etc. It's because I'm curious to see their opinions and not some "Fair and Balanced" account by any stretch of the imagination.

          One last point I'd like to make regarding Rachel' s and Anderson Cooper's boring broadcasts...Rachel consistently has those "comedians" on that are horrific. They have the same flat tone as her and add absolutely no humor to the topics at hand. The combination of that nonsense and Rachel's fake laughter causes me to change the channel every time she introduces one of those knuckleheads.

          A. Cooper swims with sharks and does all types of on location and in depth investigations but he's just sooo boring that his viewer numbers are laughable.

          I totally agree with you gonko; I feel that there needs to be far more outlets where people could obtain unfiltered news. And everybody needs to know that all of these talking heads, including the ones that you like, have contracts that state they are Entertainers. They are also independent contractors and that's why the station doesn't get sued for what these people say sometimes.

          My point is that Rachel and the above mentioned, including Shep and Beck shouldn't be where people get their news from. Although Shep does broadcast more actual news of the day than any of those other entertainers.
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    • Author by easterner (June 16, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
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      "Basically, Fox News is for those who are convinced that Obama is destroying America on purpose."
      I agree with Eric Boelert on th above stament.Althought I didn't vote for Obama, It clearly shows the fox news is not going to support the President on anything he may try do to rebuild America.They won't even admitt he is trying to do something right with out a big BUT attached.
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    • Author by jms (June 16, 2009 5:35 pm ET)
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      Nice try. There is plenty of room for both. Don't worry, they will continue to be number 1 at all times across all demographics for a loooong time.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (June 16, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
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        You think Fox News is number 1 at all time in all demographics? Look it up. For yourself, look it up.
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        • Author by easterner (June 16, 2009 7:11 pm ET)
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          Collecting information from approximately 25,000 metered households to me doesn't reflect what 1 to 2 million people are watching.I'm a skeptic of the way they they use science to determined who watches what and how many.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 17, 2009 7:44 am ET)
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            Collecting information from approximately 25,000 metered households to me doesn't reflect what 1 to 2 million people are watching.
            Then you have no concept of statistics and sampling, and therefore are not qualified to comment on the subject.
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        • Author by 3rdParty (June 16, 2009 8:26 pm ET)
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          I hate to admit it also but Fox news does destroy its competition in a ridiculous way.

          I think a big portion of those numbers is due to the fact that most people love watching a train wreck; So even if they don't agree with O'Rielly, Beck and Hannity's opinions a lot of people watch because of the outrageous broadcasts that Fox consistently airs.

          I mean I watch some of those knuckleheads at FOX because I am a glutton for punishment and am usually in disbelief of how they can spew that garbage.

          MSNBC is not very different. They just don't stoop as low.
          Fox does exploit the general population's love for attractive people though. I think it's disgusting how Fox purposely plays on the viewer's emotions by hiring all of those beauty pageant/porn star looking talking heads. Although I think it is equally disgusting and weak minded for those many viewers to tune in because they hire those hookers.
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      • Author by steeve (June 16, 2009 6:53 pm ET)
           
        Only if my plan comes to fruition. I seek the demise and destruction of the entire national media. Fox News will be last to go because its viewers feed from the bottom.
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        • Author by easterner (June 16, 2009 6:58 pm ET)
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          "25,000 metered households" is somehow scientificly transforms into 1 to 3 million households who watch any piticular show?
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 17, 2009 7:46 am ET)
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            Yes. Perhaps you should learn the "piticulars" before you ignorantly shoot off your mouth.
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    • Author by dusteemusic (June 16, 2009 6:42 pm ET)
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      I'd trade Pat Buchanan for Shep Smith anyday. That is, if we must have a Republican.
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      • Author by Conchobhar (June 18, 2009 10:46 am ET)
           
        I'm just sorry I'm five years too young to have been the guy to take out Buchanan's knee in D.C. Catholic League Football.
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    • Author by Rick in Arizona (June 16, 2009 7:14 pm ET)
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      Lets see if he gets fired or demoted! F@X News will fire anyone who doesn't toe the line on the right wing hate message. How can you trust news from an organization like that! They are paid to be confrontational! It helps their rating so they can sell soap.
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    • Author by ghfalter (June 17, 2009 9:23 am ET)
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      Give Shepard Smith the credit he's due. Who else at Fox would say the simple truth that torture is not acceptable under any circumstances? There are damn few liberals willing to make such a clear statement. His most recent statement that the DHS report was correct shows that he has the guts to speak his mind even when it is against the Fox orthodoxy. If I paid more attention to Fox News I'm sure I would disagree with Smith far more often than I agree with him, but at least he's not falling in line with Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage . . . . [and the list goes on]
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    • Author by PigFox (June 18, 2009 9:21 am ET)
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      I like Shep. He has a dry sense of humor and I "get" him. I also like the fact the Fox News allows their on-air personalities to be themselves. O'Reilly has mocked Beck, too and that's cool. Beck can take it as can O'Reilly. Unlike Obama who's whining that Fox News doesn't like him like the rest of the media does *sniff*. Shepherd Smith is very likeable and fits in wonderfully with the others at Fox News.
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    • Author by PigFox (June 18, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
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      Here are the facts. Bush didn't complain about the media. He wasn't looking to be popular. He knew he was Commander in Chief and acted like one. Obama acts more like a juvenile looking for approval from everyone. This is Obama's reaction to a simple question asked by CNBC's John Harwood as reported by Jeff Poor of Business and Media Institute: "In an interview on CNBC’s June 16 “Closing Bell” with the network Washington correspondent John Harwood, Obama reflected on the media coverage he has received to date. Harwood asked the president to respond to the claim that lack of media criticism has allowed him to “hurt” the country. [Harwood] “When you and I spoke in January, you said, I observed that you haven’t gotten much bad press. You said, ‘It’s coming.’ Media critics would say not only has it not come, but that you’ve gotten such favorable press either because of bias or because you’re good box office that it’s hurting the country because you’re not sufficiently being held accountable for your policies. Assess that.” [Obama] “It’s very hard for me to swallow that one. First of all, I’ve got one television station that is entirely devoted to attacking my administration." [Harwood] “I assume you’re talking about Fox.” [Obama] “Well, that’s a pretty big megaphone and you’d be hard-pressed if you watched the entire day to find a positive story about me on that front.”

      In my neighborhood, when you concentrate on the one person on the block who doesn't like you, you're a whiner.

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