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A Top Ten list for Letterman's conservative critics

June 17, 2009 6:45 pm ET

He doesn't host his own syndicated talk radio show. That isn't his chair behind the desk of a cable-news program. You won't find his byline on the op-ed pages, discussing the ins and outs of President Obama's latest policy proposal.

He's a gap-toothed, late night comedian, and he's in justifiably hot water with conservatives for making some pretty vile jokes.

Earlier this month on CBS' Late Show, host David Letterman took aim at Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's recent trip to New York City, offering up some off-color and patently sexist quips. During his opening monologue, Letterman said, "One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game. During the 7th inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez." Then, later in the same broadcast, while presenting No. 2 on his famed Top Ten list, this time of "Highlights of Sarah Palin's Trip to New York," Letterman said the former Republican vice presidential nominee had "bought makeup at Bloomingdale's to update her 'slutty flight attendant' look."

Letterman did the right thing in apologizing twice for his tasteless attempts at humor, finally noting that the intention of his jokes was meaningless when considering the way any rational-thinking person would perceive his jokes. Ultimately, though, it is Letterman's future conduct that will determine the sincerity of his contrition.

Still, the right's fury rages on.

It is hard, however, to take conservatives seriously when one considers that each and every day, real players in the rudderless conservative movement -- powerful talk-radio hosts, cable-news hosts, pundits, columnists, and bloggers -- throw aside the reasonable boundaries of a civil political discourse by using wickedly divisive, cruelly insensitive, intentionally misleading, and downright hateful rhetoric. And the response from their followers? Hardly a peep.

Rank hypocrisy is nothing new for right-wingers -- or politics in general, for that matter -- but in a selfless attempt to help them avoid the "hypocrite" label this time around, I humbly present a Top Ten list of "Right-Wingers From Whom Conservatives Should Be Demanding Apologies."

10) Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, for falsely claiming a hate-crimes bill that adds gay, lesbian, and transgender Americans to the list of protected groups would also protect those who commit incest, necrophilia, pedophilia, bestiality, and a host of other perversions.

9) Fox News' Sean Hannity, for hosting "Internet journalist" Andy Martin, who once called a judge a "crooked, slimy Jew, who has a history of lying and thieving common to members of his race."

8) Syndicated radio host Neal Boortz, for describing welfare recipients as "human parasitic garbage lining up to get their applications to loot."

7) Fox News conspiracy-theorist-in-chief Glenn Beck, for describing Obama's nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court as, "Hey, Hispanic chick lady! You're empathetic. ... You're in!"

6) MSNBC's resident cranky uncle, Pat Buchanan, for saying prior to Sotomayor's selection that he wanted Obama to pick a Supreme Court justice "who has real stature, impresses people" but thinking instead that Obama would pick "a minority, a woman and/or a Hispanic."

5) Syndicated radio host Jim Quinn, for repeatedly calling NOW the "National Organization of Whores."

4) Cincinnati-based radio host Bill Cunningham, for alleging that "Obama wants to gas the Jews."

3) Michael Savage (née Weiner), the third-highest-rated radio host in America, for saying "Obama hates" and "is raping America."

2) Fox News' irrepressible mega-star Bill O'Reilly, for repeatedly quacking that the legalization of gay marriage could lead to folks marrying ducks.

And No. 1, the conservative movement's de facto leader, Rush Limbaugh, for saying of Obama, "We are being told that we have to hope he succeeds, that we have to bend over, grab the ankles ... because his father was black."

In all honesty, the list could have included dozens of other media conservatives, with comments and actions numbering in the hundreds.

At the end of the day, expecting consistency from a movement motivated primarily by divisiveness and fearmongering is perhaps a bit much to ask. It's sad that the righteous complaints over Letterman's ill-conceived jokes are undermined by the right's inability to hold their own ilk accountable.

We should all be concerned about the level of sexism, racism, homophobia, and bigotry in general found in today's media landscape -- regardless of the offending party. Unfortunately, much like the iconic gap between Letterman's front teeth, so too is there a gaping hole in the credibility of his conservative critics, however justified their claims may be.

Karl Frisch is a Senior Fellow at Media Matters for America (www.mediamatters.org), a progressive media watchdog and research and information center based in Washington, D.C. Frisch also contributes to County Fair, a media blog featuring links to progressive media criticism from around the Web as well as original commentary. You can follow him on Twitter and Facebook or sign up to receive his columns by email.

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    • Author by VilifiedCorey (June 17, 2009 7:59 pm ET)
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      The point is: David Letterman still has one of the largest platforms in media.

      Yeah, he's a comedian with a gap between his teeth - in a great position to leverage his political agenda.
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      • Author by kwame.e.jones1170 (June 18, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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        Why does everyone feel the need to qualify this with, "Well yes it was in poor taste..." That is comedy, it has been for many years, even going back to the Johnny Carson/Wayne Newton kerfuffle, Comedy is increasingly mean and thats ok, its a joke, the ability to laugh at ourselves and our flaws should be celebrated... I don't think it was in such horrible taste, and anyone who thinks that joke was about a 13 yr old, rather than the 18 yr old single mother conducting seminars on abstinence is just being disingenious...
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        • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (June 18, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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          I agree. The jokes were funny. They weren't "tasteless" or even sexist. They were direct jabs at Palin's character and hypocrisy. There was really nothing for Letterman to apologize for.
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          • Author by highliter (June 18, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
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            I don’t get how you think that Gov Palin having a teenage daughter with a kid makes her a hypocrite. She still believes abstinence is the best way not to get pregnant; by the way it is the only 100%way not to get pregnant. Her daughter made a mistake and is owning up to it. The liberal method would have been to have gotten an abortion and never told anybody anything. If anything she should be using her mistake to help teach others not to make the same mistake she did.
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            • Author by Craig (June 18, 2009 7:45 pm ET)
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              The "liberal method" would be to reduce "mistakes" with comprehensive education that covers both abstinence and birth control.
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              • Author by highliter (June 19, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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                Go to the liberal inner cities and tell me how that’s working out.
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                • Author by Brabantio (June 20, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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                  Are you suggesting that abstinence-only education is going to improve the inner cities? Go back and read through the conversation.
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            • Author by LuvLuLu (June 19, 2009 7:09 pm ET)
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              "I don't get how you think that Gov Palin having a teenage daughter with a kid makes her (Sarah Palin) a hypocrite."

              We don't think that. It's a strawman argument.

              We think she's a hypocrite because of her hypocritical behavior.
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        • Author by highliter (June 18, 2009 1:32 pm ET)
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          How could it not be at the 14 year old she was the one that was at the game with her mother. Not the 18 year old.
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          • Author by Brabantio (June 18, 2009 1:50 pm ET)
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            It could be that he didn't know that, obviously. That would make it a difference between carelessness and maliciousness, which is quite significant in how you react to it.
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            • Author by highliter (June 18, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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              I am quite sure that his writers thought that it was the 18 year old at the game. That is also why the apology was needed. I think it is terrible whenever anyone attacks someone’s family. Family’s should be off limits.
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              • Author by Brabantio (June 18, 2009 11:53 pm ET)
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                I'm pretty sure that if Chelsea Clinton had been impregnated as a teenager, been put front and center during a campaign and then advocated abstinence-only education that there wouldn't be any hesitation about poking fun at her. Letterman, Leno, anyone and everyone. That's just how it's going to be, nobody's going to pass up that sort of material.

                I think the apology was needed just because it was ambiguous and lent itself to the wrong impression, and to make clear that there's really no intent to be vicious, just to make light of the same thing everyone else is making light of anyway.
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                • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 19, 2009 7:50 am ET)
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                  You're pretty sure?

                  I'm pretty sure that's projecting at its best!
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                  • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 8:14 am ET)
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                    No, I have a hard time imagining anyone refraining from making jokes about that situation regardless of the ideology of who was in it. You say Leno was a liberal, but he made Lewinsky references years and years after that particular incident.

                    So yes, I'm pretty sure that people would be mocking Chelsea Clinton in that situation. I'd like to know what your basis for thinking otherwise is, if there's an actual thought process involved.
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                    • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 19, 2009 8:28 am ET)
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                      NO I didn't say Leno was a liberal. I said I think he has supported BOTH dems and Reps. Big difference. I did say his wife is liberal.

                      Feel free to twist words any way you see fit to bolster your argument.

                      I'll play your game though. If Ms. C Clinton had been in the same situation, I'm sure the usual suspects would take their pound of flesh. I will project though that the leftward leaning would then turn the debate (with help from their friends in the MSM) into a compassion play and suddenly Ms C would be held up a shining beacon of hope for underage girls. The media would not have joked about it and they surely would not have gone after Bill and Hill about it.

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                      • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 8:55 am ET)
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                        Wasn't it on another thread that you said that Leno admitted to being a liberal? Am I thinking of someone else? There's no intention to twist words on my part here.

                        So late-night comedians are going to pass up a source of material? For what reason?
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                        • Author by highliter (June 19, 2009 9:12 am ET)
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                          How is a mom and her daughter attending a baseball game "material".
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                          • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 11:43 am ET)
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                            Basically the same way that almost any story about Bill Clinton was material for over eight years after the Lewinsky scandal.
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                            • Author by highliter (June 19, 2009 11:55 am ET)
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                              Seriously you equate perjury, and adultery to attending a baseball game.
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                              • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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                                Well, there was no perjury. That wasn't really the focus of the jokes anyway. But adultery? Yes, that's very much on the same level as teen pregnancy.

                                You're not really grasping the point, either. Any mention of Clinton was likely to bring on a Lewinsky joke. It's not like a new affair was revealed three times a week.
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                                • Author by highliter (June 19, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
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                                  So stating in a sworn deposition that he did not have sexual relations with Mrs. Lewinski is not perjury.
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                                  • Author by Brabantio (June 20, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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                                    That is absolutely correct. If you're in a trial for robbing a grocery store and you're asked whether you buy pornography or not, you don't have to face any consequences for lying about that. It's not relevant to the charge. Similarly, it's entirely possible to have sex outside of your marriage without it saying anything about your propensity for sexual harassment. It is not relevant.
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                                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 20, 2009 6:11 pm ET)
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                                    So stating in a sworn deposition that he did not have sexual relations with Mrs. Lewinski is not perjury.
                                    He never said that in a "sworn deposition," he said that on television. I'm not surprised you don't know that, you've been wrong on every other topic you've posted about, why not this one, too?
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                              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 19, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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                                Seriously you equate perjury, and adultery to attending a baseball game.
                                Neither happened, and no, that argument was not made. Once you learn to read for comprehension, your posts will begin to make sense.

                                Maybe.
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                                • Author by highliter (June 19, 2009 3:06 pm ET)
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                                  I hope yuor not trying to say there was no perjury or adultry by Pres Clinton.
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                                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 20, 2009 6:15 pm ET)
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                                    I hope yuor (sic) not trying to say there was no perjury or adultry (sic) by Pres Clinton.
                                    I'm saying precisely that. Perjury and adultery (learn how to spell terms if you want to be taken seriously around here. And by "taken seriously" I mean read without pity for your lack of cognitive skills) have specific legal definitions, and neither happened, according to the law. I'm not surprised you don't know that, either.
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                              • Author by harley (June 20, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
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                                seriously you equate perjury, and adultery to attending a baseball game.


                                So, you make the rules on what should be joked about and what shouldn't?

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                        • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 19, 2009 10:33 am ET)
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                          Not me. Feel free to attribute it me though. It fits your MO.
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                          • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 10:41 am ET)
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                            No, I don't try to attribute any words unfairly. You can't support that accusation, and you won't try, either.

                            I see you'll use that as an excuse to avoid the question, though.
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                      • Author by rms (June 19, 2009 11:39 pm ET)
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                        You're joking, right??
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              • Author by LuvLuLu (June 19, 2009 7:13 pm ET)
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                You are "quite sure that his writers thought that it was the 18 year old at the game"?

                How is it that you are quite sure of that when he's never made a joke about a 14 year old before and he's said that he wasn't talking about the 14 year old?

                The joke wasn't about the kid anyway. It was about the mom.
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                • Author by tkeune2075 (June 20, 2009 5:49 pm ET)
                     
                  I've heard people point out that the target of the joke was more A-Rod than the Palin's.
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              • Author by 3rdParty (June 19, 2009 7:14 pm ET)
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                It was really a dumb mistake by the writers and Dave had to obviously be the one to take the "fall".

                I don't believe that the writers did it on purpose, I just think that they got all excited about the concept of the joke and completely dropped the ball when mixing up the two daughters' names.

                I'd rather not create hypothetical situations because Chelsea didn't even have to get knocked up...Just because she didn't resemble a pornstar lookin' Fox News talking head, Non-Comedian McCain had to crack that sorry excuse of a joke about both Chelsea and Janet Reno.

                That "joke" was basically buried by most media outlets.

                When I watched Dave's Top Ten, I thought the flight attendant joke was particularly funny because a flight attendant was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw Pallin for the first time. I can't stand pallin and I love when Dave rags on her but I was watching this top ten with two other people and none of us laughed in a haha way. It was more like an "ouch" and "ooooh" laughter. We all agreed that we thought it was more of a knock toward flight attendants. But the flight attendant's concerns were never even heard because Mrs. Pageant Pallin had to come in and steal the show.

                It was clear to me from the start that Dave meant Bristol, during the A-Rod Joke. I just didn't find that one funny at all and to me it did make Dave look kind of weak.

                I loved his first apology. The second one was straight from the suits.
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          • Author by Scribe57 (June 18, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
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            Quick quiz: when you hear the phrases "knocked up" and "Palin's daughter", do you think of:

            A: The one at the game, or...
            B: The one who was actually knocked up?
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            • Author by highliter (June 19, 2009 9:07 am ET)
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              When the joke was about knocking up the one WHO WAS AT THE GAME I would have to choose A
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              • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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                Again, you already said you were sure that Letterman's writers thought Bristol was at the game. Can't you read your own posts, or what?
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              • Author by LuvLuLu (June 19, 2009 7:15 pm ET)
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                The joke was about the mom.
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              • Author by wookie (June 20, 2009 7:04 am ET)
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                He wasn't reporting live from the scene. He wasn't doing the O'Reillyesque ambush. It was just a setup for a very generalized joke about the family.
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            • Author by 3rdParty (June 19, 2009 7:35 pm ET)
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              I'm not a fan of A-Rod but I thought injecting his name into the joke was kind of a stretch and that's another element that caused me to not think it was funny at all.

              I could understand if A-Rod was previously accused of knockn' women up; All we know about his recent personal life, aside from him loving himself, is that he and his wife split and he was possibly dating Madonna for a short fling. Therefore, a joke about Alex going after older women would seem far more appropriate than him dating 18 year olds. That's why it's just a bad joke from all angles.

              One more point that I'd like to make is that in the context of comedians; When a comedian stutters or stumbles on words when telling a joke, it is perceived that they screwed that joke up. The fact that Dave's writers brain farted in regard to Bristol's name, is considered an extremely amateur thing to do within the business. That's also what made dave look real bad here.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (June 18, 2009 4:02 pm ET)
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            I didn't even know Palin's younger daughter had been pregnant. I thought it was only the 18 year old. Perhaps, like me, Letterman was unaware that both of Palin's daughter had been knocked up. I thank you highliter for letting me that they have both been pregnant.
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            • Author by highliter (June 18, 2009 4:30 pm ET)
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              What the 14 year old was never pregnant and I never said that.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (June 18, 2009 6:57 pm ET)
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                Oh, so you admit your attack on Letterman's joke is completely ridiculous. Good, glad we got that out of the way. Now, we can get onto the fact that the joke was actually about the 18 year old daughter since you now admit that she is the only one who has been knocked up. Very well.
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                • Author by highliter (June 19, 2009 9:08 am ET)
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                  So you would have me to believe that the joke about Gov Palin and her daughter being at the baseball game and getting knocked up wasn’t about the daughter that was actually at the game. It was about the daughter that was back home 1000+ miles away. So in your mind Letterman was talking about Rodriguez flying to Alaska and knocking up the 18 year old during the game. Makes perfect sense.
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                  • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 11:47 am ET)
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                    "I am quite sure that his writers thought that it was the 18 year old at the game. That is also why the apology was needed. I think it is terrible whenever anyone attacks someone’s family. Family’s should be off limits."

                    Which is it? Do you believe that he was talking about Bristol or not?
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                    • Author by highliter (June 19, 2009 12:04 pm ET)
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                      I think the joke was about the one that was at the game. Again Im sure he thought it was Bristol that was at the game. My point is this that he made a mistake and needed to apologies for it. I also think that it’s not appropriate to talk about someone children no matter how old they are.
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                      • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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                        What the hell? If he thought he was talking about Bristol, then the joke was about Bristol. That means the joke wasn't about Willow. That means it wasn't actually about the one at the game.

                        How do you get to "So in your mind Letterman was talking about Rodriguez flying to Alaska and knocking up the 18 year old during the game"? You seem highly confused.
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                        • Author by highliter (June 19, 2009 1:25 pm ET)
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                          I was responding to a post that said that it was disingenuous to think that the joke was aimed at the 14 year old who was actually at the game. I am mealy pointing out the fact that it is reasonable to think he was talking about the one at the game since the joke was directly aimed at the one at the game. Even if Letterman thought it was Bristol at the game the joke was clearly aimed at the daughter at the game. What I am saying is the joke missed its intended target and landed squarely in the lap of the 14 year old. I don’t think there was any intent on Letterman’s part to say the 14 year old was being impregnated. However that is how it came out. That is why the apology was necessary because his information was wrong and he did not intend his joke to be at the 14 year old. Regardless either way the joke was completely uncalled for children should be off limits.
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                          • Author by Brabantio (June 20, 2009 4:12 pm ET)
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                            What?

                            "So you would have me to believe that the joke about Gov Palin and her daughter being at the baseball game and getting knocked up wasn’t about the daughter that was actually at the game. It was about the daughter that was back home 1000+ miles away."

                            "Even if Letterman thought it was Bristol at the game the joke was clearly aimed at the daughter at the game."

                            You're hopelessly lost.
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                          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 20, 2009 6:19 pm ET)
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                            I am mealy pointing out the fact
                            You certainly are.
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                  • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 19, 2009 11:48 am ET)
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                    I assume you organized a boycott Conan rally after he made the joke about her dropping the puck at the Flyers game and then trying to keep the players of our her daughter's penalty box when the only two daughers there were the 6 and 13 yr olds, correct?

                    Why didn't Palin protest then?
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                    • Author by highliter (June 19, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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                      I never organized anything for Letterman either. And yes I think that is a terriable joke and he should appoligise for it. I am not Gov Palin so I cannot ansswer the question of why she did not protest.
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                    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 19, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
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                      Why didn't Palin protest then?
                      She didn't need to be a victim to keep her name in the news then.
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (June 19, 2009 2:42 pm ET)
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                      Good point FB i didn't remember that. Wow! I just starting to see the depths of this womens ambition and hyprocrisy. The way she uses her family and the demoguery is really funky. I mean what won't she do for power/wealth? She threw her 14yr. old into the frey without hesitation,while at the same time claiming to "protect" her!?! Man, thats some real "chutzpah!", not without some real help from the MS "liberal" media punditry though. This stuff is really easy for thinking people to see through. It's worst than a "B" movie, but as can be seened by the whiners here,some people will fall for anything!
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    • Author by captfoster2 (June 17, 2009 9:44 pm ET)
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      It's a good thing the 10's of people that went to protest David Letterman put all that pressure on him so that he wouldn't be able to mock their fake outrage over a mostly lame (yes, in bad taste) but lame none-the-less joke...
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      • Author by NdlovukaziThor (June 17, 2009 11:43 pm ET)
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        I think it was the NYT that had a clip of some of the protesters' thoughts (with a little bit of Howard Stern's guys making out in the background)... They had some scary, foul things to say about Letterman and his personal life, pretty much on par with what these talk-show clowns spit out everyday. It's frightening to hear it on the radio and TV, and even more so when average people (and I use that term as loosely as Bristol and Levi used contraception) say it, too.

        Always love the "holier than thou, I'll judge the snot outta you, but I'm so totally going to heaven" point of view.
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    • Author by goshzilla (June 17, 2009 10:05 pm ET)
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      Did I imagine this, but didn't Sarah Palin on the Today show say "I hope people really start riotin--really start rising up,"

      Suggesting we riot over this? Oh and I like how the reporters on the "protest" outnumbered the protesters, it brings us back to the gold days of the Bush presidency when Terric Schiavo protesters were being outnumbered by the total members of N'Synch. Okay it would be the total of members equal to N'Synch plus Slipknot.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 18, 2009 1:22 am ET)
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        Thanks, Karl Frisch. This is one of the phoniest bits in a recent glut of phony outrage from the right.They've tried so hard to align everybody who laughs at Republicans as agents of the Democratic Party, or Obama,that they think this stuff is going to work on anybody except the dittohead base.

        I've heard Hannity go to the predictable "Imagine if I had said this about a Democratic woman..", which means that he
        is admitting that Fox "news" is the equivalent of a late night comedy show.

        They can't have it both ways. Either admit that Fox's "news" programming is a joke, or start going over transcripts from Redeye and making that comparison.
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        • Author by Cheney2012 (June 18, 2009 8:23 am ET)
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          Hey Corporal:

          In now way was Letterman doing 'comedy' It was vile, disgusting and mean-spirited. Frankly, beyond the pale of anything that should be on network.

          The fact that you think it's acceptable just shows how pathetic you are.
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          • Author by Cheney2012 (June 18, 2009 8:23 am ET)
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            That should read: In NO way
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 18, 2009 9:22 am ET)
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            That's your opinion. The fact that you think using it to attack another person merely because their opinion differs from yours just shows how pathetic you are.
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          • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 18, 2009 10:15 am ET)
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            I assume you feel the same about Jay Leno's joke about John Edwards knocking up Bristol last September and are even more furious that Palin did nothing to stop such a "vile, disgusting and mean-spirted" "joke" about her family, correct?

            I mean all of you conservatives were threatening to rise up then too, right?

            When Rush Limbaugh called Chelsea the "White House dog" and McCain told his joke, you probably threatened to leave the Republican party over such humor, right? After all, those weren't merely comedians making jokes about the President's child, those were leaders in your party.

            I assume with the name Cheney2012 you have forgiven the humor of your side and organized a rally to get Leno fired before he retired. Am I right? If not, why?
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            • Author by Chromium (June 19, 2009 6:00 pm ET)
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              Limbaugh never called Chelsea the "White House dog". Molly Ivins started spreading that, picked up by Franken & others.

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              • Author by LuvLuLu (June 19, 2009 7:19 pm ET)
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                He said he was going to talk about the White House Dog, and then put up a picture of Chelsea. How can you possibly deny that he was equating Chelsea with looking like a dog? And don't even try the "well, he didn't literally say that", because he did that, whether he literally said it or not.
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              • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 19, 2009 8:14 pm ET)
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                Fair.org believes it. What about the other jokes? Why no protests then? Could it be that Letterman got on McCain for cancelling at the last minute and then saw McCain prepping for an interview when he told Dave he was going back to Washington because of the financial crisis?
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 20, 2009 12:24 am ET)
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                Limbaugh never called Chelsea the "White House dog".
                That's a flat-out lie. Limbaugh put a picture of Socks the cat on the TV screen, and said, "Here's a picture of the White House cat. Did you know there's a White House dog, too?" And then he put up a picture of 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton.

                You have no idea what you are talking about, so you lie through your teeth like a typical Neoclown.
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              • Author by solon (June 20, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
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                Yes he did. Reality wont change because you decide to deny it
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 18, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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            Let me clarify one thing, Cheney2012. When I use the term "phony outrage" I'm talking about the media and GOP mouthpieces faking it in order to convince their zombies to be outraged. Your outrage may very well be genuine.It's cute, and amazing how easily manipulated you are, but I don't know for sure that you haven't actually been talked into being outraged.
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          • Author by snoopy (June 18, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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            Last September, a skit on Saturday Night Live suggested incest in the Palin family. "What about the husband?" asked a mock Times reporter. "You know he's doing those daughters. I mean, come on. It's Alaska!"

            No outrage. Sarah Palin appeared on the show one month later in late October.

            Days after the announcement of Bristol's pregnancy, Conan O'Brien joked, "It's true, John McCain's running mate, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, has revealed that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant. Palin said, 'We should never have introduced her to John Edwards.'"

            Where was the outrage?

            From two different Tonight Shows: "Governor Palin announced over the weekend that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant. Oh, boy, you thought John Edwards was in trouble before, now he's really done it!" AND..."All the Republicans are heaping praise on Governor Palin. Fred Thompson said, as an actor, he could see them making a movie about Sarah Palin and her family. Didn't they already make that movie? I think it was called 'Knocked Up!'"--Jay Leno

            Not a peep from the reich...

            Craig Ferguson's skit of "Larry King vs Levi Johnston" asks about "kinky sex" with the drapes open.

            Not a single call to revoke Craigs honorary alaskan citizenship by sarah palin. Why is that?

            "According to expense reports, Sarah Palin charged the state of Alaska over $21,000 for her children to travel with her on official business. In fairness to Gov. Palin, when she leaves them home alone they get pregnant." --Seth Meyers (SNL).

            No outrage there either...

            On October 8, 2008, Sarah Palin walked out on the ice with six year old Piper and 13 year old Willow, before the game, Conan O'Brien said, "Saturday night, Sarah Palin is going to drop the first puck at the Philadelphia Flyers' hockey game. Then Palin will spend the rest of the game trying to keep the hockey players out of her daughter's penalty box."

            What - no calls for his head?

            Rush Limbaugh: "Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is a White House dog?" Limbaugh put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton. At the time, Chelsea Clinton was 13 years old.


            "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."--John McCain, Sarah Palin's running mate.

            crickets chirping...

            Palin's friend, political defender and informer of the David Letterman comments, John Ziegler, was fired from his radio show for using the "n-word" online and on air in 1997. In 2000, he was fired for spelling the "n-word" on the air. How much does that word affect the psychological health of America's youth, regardless of their race? Now he is pimping his film about how mean the "liberal media" was to Sarah Palin.

            Get that? Sarah's friend, the racist...

            "In an interview with Fox News, Gov. Sarah Palin's daughter, 18-year-old Bristol Palin -- remember Bristol Palin, who had the baby? Well, she talked in the interview. She said, 'A year ago, I never would have thought I would become a mom or that my mom was going to be chosen to be a vice presidential candidate.' Oddly enough, both things happened because some guy failed to take the proper precautions." --Jay Leno

            Oops, Jay Leno - again!

            "Some sad news. Bristol Palin, Sarah Palin's daughter, has broken up with babydaddy Levi Johnston. I was stunned when I heard. I mean, really, if two kids without a decent education and no jobs and a baby can't make it, what hope is there for the rest of us?" --Jay Leno

            Jay is on a roll!

            "You know who is really, really happy that John McCain did not win last night? The boyfriend of Sarah Palin's daughter. He doesn't have to get married now. 'Whew, thank God!'" --Jay Leno

            What, another unkind crack about Palin's kids by Jay? Whoda thunk?

            "Experts say -- this is interesting -- that since Sarah Palin became the vice presidential nominee, there's been an actual spike in the sales of her style of eyeglasses. Gone way up. Yeah. Yeah, with Palin's glasses, you'll be able to see everything, except what the hell your teenage daughter's up to." --Conan O'Brien

            Even more crickets chirping...

            "Did you see what Sarah Palin said yesterday? She made a speech in Alaska and she said that the money the federal government is sending to states to help bail out, well that's not good, because that's the federal government getting in there and trying to 'control people.' Yes that's right, Sarah, it's all about the Federal Reserve making your daughter use a condom." --Bill Maher

            Riled up yet? No?

            "The Republican Convention is under way. The theme for tonight's Republican Convention is, 'Who is John McCain?' Tomorrow night's theme is, 'Who forgot to check if the Vice President's daughter is pregnant?'" --Conan O'Brien


            The image shows a post by an aide to state Attorney General Henry McMaster describing Friday morning's gorilla escape at Columbia's Riverbanks Zoo.

            Longtime SCGOP activist and former state Senate candidate Rusty DePass responded with the comment, "I'm sure it's just one of Michelle's ancestors - probably harmless."

            Hmmm, he's still employed...

            And then there's this gem of reply to the staffer who sent the spook photo of Barack Obama.
            [http://static.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2009/06/goforthletter_1d36f.gif]
            Wow, Senator Black really takes that racism seriously!

            But ya know dick, the fact that you think all of that is acceptable given what David Letterman said is not only pathetic, it's laced with a healthy dose of hypocracy and bigotry...
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            • Author by jcgrim (June 18, 2009 12:28 pm ET)
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              Wow, Snoopy. That was great. Thanks
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            • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 18, 2009 12:33 pm ET)
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              Can I steal this for another board, Snoop? Awesome job!
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            • Author by NG_Officer (June 18, 2009 12:36 pm ET)
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              Another home run, snoop
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            • Author by historygeek001 (June 18, 2009 2:29 pm ET)
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              Wow. That's GREAT. And no reply from dick. What a shock.
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              • Author by snoopy (June 18, 2009 3:15 pm ET)
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                The fact that you would think dave's joke was worse than the last two racist remarks says all we need to know about you, mr. racist supporter.

                And while I've been looking for a job, I'm quite happy that a racist bigot like yourself is paying for my unemployment while I'm searching for work. I'm doubly happy that you are now about to help pay for me to get my PM certification as well. I think I'll look around to see what other unemployment benefits I can apply for now that I know you can't stand paying for my unemployment...
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                • Author by magnolialover (June 18, 2009 3:51 pm ET)
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                  He also totally missed the part where you posted the bad jokes about PALIN, and her FAMILY apparently. I would think he would have been happy with that, you showing where else in the media these jokes have been told, and or done. But no, apparently, he was not happy with that.
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                  • Author by Brabantio (June 18, 2009 4:16 pm ET)
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                    My guess is that he didn't even read the post. He just saw the length of it, and was pouting because he doesn't want to lose his rationale for crucifying Letterman.
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                  • Author by juliajayne1 (June 18, 2009 9:40 pm ET)
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                    You are a sick and piteous and nasty human being. I hope you are never in a position to have to look for work.
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                    • Author by snoopy (June 18, 2009 10:05 pm ET)
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                      I hope otherwise, because he obviously doesn't know what it's like to look for a job. But then what did you expect?
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                  • Author by snoopy (June 18, 2009 10:02 pm ET)
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                    How very white wing christian of you, oh great supporter of bigotry.
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                    • Author by snoopy (June 18, 2009 10:09 pm ET)
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                      P.S. please feel free to report me. I've got hundreds of job applications, requests for meetings with HR, follow up interviews, etc. etc. etc. that would prove your reichwing fallacy wrong. I'd love to turn your lie about me into an investigation into you providing false evidence.
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                  • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 18, 2009 10:27 pm ET)
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                    BTW, I'm sure the unemployment commission would be glad to learn of all the time you spend on this web site instead of looking for a job.


                    Uh Oh, did Snoopy telling the truth hurt your feeling?

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                    • Author by snoopy (June 18, 2009 10:30 pm ET)
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                      Hi pearl!

                      He really hates me, doesn't he?
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                      • Author by juliajayne1 (June 18, 2009 10:36 pm ET)
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                        The guy is a vile and nasty human being. Period. Whatever he says or does is no reflection on you. It is a direct reflection on him.
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                      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 19, 2009 3:01 am ET)
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                        Hey Snoop!

                        Nah, jpeagle hates himself.

                        Imagine, running around, crying about mean old Letterman, only to find out that Leno, Conan and several other comedians already told Palin daughter jokes.

                        What's he suppose to do? Just turn off his tears and his outrage?

                        Of course, being stupid doesn't excuse his boorish behavior, but it's gotta suck being him.
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                        • Author by LuvLuLu (June 19, 2009 7:26 pm ET)
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                          The offending post is gone, but I wondered who the culprit was. Thanks for naming him, Pearlene.

                          It could have been one of many sockpuppets and trolls, but it doesn't surprise me that it was jpeagle.
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                • Author by 3rdParty (June 19, 2009 8:26 pm ET)
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                  President Obama has been unemployment friendly so far. If you haven't received an extension yet Snoop, you've got one coming and possibly two more.

                  I'm just speaking off of the top of my head here, or possibly from somewhere else...
                  I think Bush signed off on the first extension just prior to leaving office, then President Obama extended the benefits even more.
                  Due to the collapse of the economy, unemployment was one of the first focal points of where a cushion was needed.

                  Good luck on your certification!
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              • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 18, 2009 7:02 pm ET)
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                Yes, Dave's joke about A-Rod and one of the Palin daughters was so much worse than:

                1) Referring to Bristol as a victim of incest.

                2) Saying that a married politician more than twice her age impregnated Bristol.

                3) Inferring that Gov. Palin couldn't leave her kids alone or they'd get pregnant.

                4) And since so many conservatives think that Letterman was referring to Willow (b/c she was the one in NY), why doesn't this joke send them through the roof:

                "On October 8, 2008, Sarah Palin walked out on the ice with six year old Piper and 13 year old Willow, before the game, Conan O'Brien said, "Saturday night, Sarah Palin is going to drop the first puck at the Philadelphia Flyers' hockey game. Then Palin will spend the rest of the game trying to keep the hockey players out of her daughter's penalty box."

                Or did you all take Conan's obvious inference differently than the same one made by Letterman?

                5) What about Leno saying that the relationship between Bristol and her boyfriend was a sham and only cooked up by the Palins? That was certainly classy.

                I assume, jpeagle, that you are going to organize a fire Conan rally, right?

                Tell me why these jokes were tamer than Dave's. Don't just say it, compare them and educate us.
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              • Author by thejbomb65 (June 19, 2009 9:09 am ET)
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                wow calling a president's daughter a dog is not vile? boy i bet if it was said about any of the palin girls you would be calling for someone's head.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (June 18, 2009 4:10 pm ET)
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              Wow, pretty impressive snoop.

              Wow, pretty embarrassing, Cheney. Cheney? Cheney??
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              • Author by redstatelefty (June 19, 2009 11:31 am ET)
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                Beuhler?
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              • Author by snoopy (June 18, 2009 10:18 pm ET)
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                Wow, I now have two trolls.
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                • Author by juliajayne1 (June 18, 2009 10:43 pm ET)
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                  You must be hitting some nerves.
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                  • Author by snoopy (June 18, 2009 10:49 pm ET)
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                    Apparently so. A blanket comment like none of those jokes was like daves, especially after friedbergs' awesome summary shows it. I'm glad I've already been through the worst life has to offer, otherwise I might take their rabid hatred of me personally.
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                    • Author by juliajayne1 (June 19, 2009 12:04 am ET)
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                      Pfft, who cares if some RW nutters hate you. They don't know you. And we all love our talented doggie! Do whatever keeps you sane or happy or both.
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                      • Author by WorldlyMrR (June 19, 2009 1:19 am ET)
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                        I read with interest. Snoop Dog the poster child for all that is his Holiness. I'm down from 150 to 70 employees, and still losing money fast. Bank account low as investments worth crap. Donations non existant as I struggle to keep employees onthe payroll but funds near end. Will have to close my doors if any more of the silly bills get passed. Just a great world under his holiness.

                        I also have to alugh at how simple minded the exchanges on here are, including the editorial that started it all. MMFA can express al the outrage they want at Fox or those of us capitalists but is ignoring serious events on the world stage. How many of you saw the announcement from BRIC over the weekend? You say what is BRIC? Actually and more correctly who is BRIC? Brazil, Russia, India and China. They just voted and signed agreements to start trading energy not priced in US dollars but priced in Russian Rubles. China and INdia agreed to price their trade in each others currency. Brazil has become self sufficient for energy and food and they talked about slow paying the buying of our debt to teach us a lesson. Not worried you say....I'll come back by in another few weeks and see just how the 20% unemployed are doing. I will also see how the carboard tent living is coming as we WILL have Carter like inflation by year's end. Interest rates will go double digit and a new world order will be ushered in.

                        Strap yourself in for a wild ride!

                        BTW Sarah is a friend and I am the father of two girls. If Letterman or anyother person said those things about my daughter there would be hell to pay. Regardless of what my daughters did or di not do inthe past, they are my daughters and i will protect them to the death. Too bad the rest of you would tthrow yours to the wolves for the sake of a laugh. PITIFUL.
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                        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 19, 2009 8:53 am ET)
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                          I also have to alugh at how simple minded the exchanges on here are
                          Some jokes just write themselves...
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                        • Author by thejbomb65 (June 19, 2009 9:13 am ET)
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                          but you would have no problem whatsoever about cracking tasteless jokes about someone else's daughters right? thats what your really saying is that "my kids are off limits, but anyone else's are fair game."

                          case in point the chelsea clinton jokes by limbaugh and then mccain
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                        • Author by snoopy (June 19, 2009 10:07 am ET)
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                          And here's another wing nut that will defend Palin to the end - but only if a liberal says something. The jokes from the other commedians, and the two racist remarks against Obama's family are OK to them...
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                          • Author by WorldlyMrR (June 19, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
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                            i love how when a cogen t argument is mde you all try and turn it around and then you make something up. I never said racist remarks are OK - you did Snoop. I never said jokes about someone else's daughters were OK - thebomb did. I am not commenting on other than the editorial above. Just because i did not comment on all other derogatory events does not mean you in any way can say what I am thinking.

                            Note the trend continues below. INstead of worrying that the cornerstone of international trade for over 6 decades - the US DOllar - is being quickly displaced. When everyone trades off the dollar they worry about events int he US. When they quit trading the dollar they will be much less concerned for helping out Uncle Sam and his Holiness. Now the Captain in his post below continues the liberal avaoidance of key issues and tries to put words in my mouth - no where did I say anything remotely close to suggesting military action to use the dollwr - I only wanted people to realize the extremely significant milestone that just happened.

                            As i said - I come by every few weeks and continue to marvel at just how blinded you are all by what is happening. Just so you don't take any conservatives word for it - and since you all spend way too much time online instead of working - go to international newspaper sites. In Moscow they are marveling at how we are finally learning the Marxist way. In Italy - they did a Chavez/VZ to Obama?US comparison and it amazing at how close the actions and ideals are. I could go on and on - but you get the point i am sure.

                            PS part of why I have to let so many people go is all my federal work dried up once my party affiliation became known. Problem is I am still working but the majority of my employees were pro-Obama and they are the ones losing jobs because of it. Laughable irony isn't it!!!
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                            • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 19, 2009 2:22 pm ET)
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                              PS part of why I have to let so many people go is all my federal work dried up once my party affiliation became known.


                              What proof do YOU have that party affiliation has anything to do with YOU losing work? Any?

                              The Obama administration has Republicans as well as Democrats, so party affiliation is simply YOUR bull s*it excuse!
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                            • Author by snoopy (June 19, 2009 5:24 pm ET)
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                              You never said they weren't, either. You could easily avoid that trap by stating your belief rather than letting silence state it for you.
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                                • Author by snoopy (June 19, 2009 5:51 pm ET)
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                                  never started. Have you stopped shagging the farmer's sheep? or did you move on to the horses?
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                                • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 20, 2009 12:32 am ET)
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                                  SO Dog - have you stopped beating your wife?
                                  Have you stopped beating that dead horse?
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                            • Author by 3rdParty (June 19, 2009 9:17 pm ET)
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                              WorldlyMrR:
                              I don't believe anything that you post regarding the facts of your life.

                              I don't believe this nonsense regarding your job.

                              I don't believe that you know Sarah Pallin.
                              In fact, why would you just single out Sarah? Isn't The Upper One(Alaska) a real down home family type place where everybody knows yer name?
                              Wouldn't you know the entire family? Particularly speaking because you are so bumm hurt over the Bristol/Willow joke. Don't you know the daughters too?

                              OOOH wait a minute...Are you Sarah's secret lover? OOOH wait a minute...Are you Todd?
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                            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 20, 2009 12:31 am ET)
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                              PS part of why I have to let so many people go is all my federal work dried up once my party affiliation became known.
                              That sounds like a lie to me. First off, that is illegal. Second off, it is precisely what the Bush administration did for eight years. Remember a little thing called the "K Street Project?"

                              If your work is comparable to the quality of the "reasoning" behind your posts here, I'm pretty sure your "federal work" didn't dry up because of party affiliation.
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                            • Author by Slinkie (June 20, 2009 2:15 pm ET)
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                              Worldy should look at the otherend of the scale and see the truth that Obama so alleged socialism is not so difficult to take after the bushies tried so long and hard to cram their FASCIST beliefs down our throat
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                            • Author by harley (June 20, 2009 3:42 pm ET)
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                              Laughable irony isn't it!!!


                              Please explain how this is "irony".

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                            • Author by harley (June 20, 2009 3:43 pm ET)
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                              In Moscow they are marveling at how we are finally learning the Marxist way


                              Please provide proof. Thanks
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                        • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 19, 2009 10:25 am ET)
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                          Since you are a friend of Sarah's, could you ask her why she saved her rage for Letterman and didn't go after Leno, Conan, SNL and Ferguson with the same rage? I'd love to hear that answer.

                          I agree, family should be off limits, but when Letterman gets vilified that quickly with no outlash at repeat offenders, I wonder why.
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                        • Author by captfoster2 (June 19, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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                          They just voted and signed agreements to start trading energy not priced in US dollars but priced in Russian Rubles.

                          Curious... are you insinuating that America attack these countries and force them to trade in US dollars?

                          Before you answer... consider this:

                          Attack with what? Missiles built with computer chips made in China?

                          With a military already mired in a Bush/Cheney/corporate created quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan?

                          Are you willing to join up to fight that one or should someone else have to fight your battles?

                          As for my three daughter and whether I would protect them or not... by equating a lame, but in bad taste joke by Letterman to that of 'protecting' our children to the death... Evil Kinevil could not make that jump!

                          And yes, if the situation called for it... your damn right I would fight to the death in protecting my kids, if their lives, not their feelings were in danger.

                          That you would waste any energy in fighting to the death over a joke tells me all I need to know about just how pathetic you are!
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                          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 20, 2009 12:37 am ET)
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                            Curious... are you insinuating that America attack these countries and force them to trade in US dollars?
                            Something like that has actually been posited as a reason the Dumbya administration attacked Iraq. Saddam was about to start trading for oil using Euros instead of dollars, and W (well, not W, he could never comprehend the scope of the problem, Cheney, then) didn't want his buddies' dollars to crash because of it.

                            I don't know if that is true, but I remember reading the theory at the time the non-declared war started.
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                        • Author by congero6189599 (June 19, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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                          You phony where was your outrage at the Chelsea jokes? Where was Palin's outrage before? You simpleton come riding in on your high horse and try and ridicule just because we see so clearly through your hyprocrisy. You are the pitiful one!
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                        • Author by Slinkie (June 20, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
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                          Worldly you speak of our economy as all this is the fault of some liberal conspiracy when the truth is this is the fault of borrow and spend conservatives going back toevery neo-cons hero the GREAT FAKER ronnie reagan he was the first to introduce us to trillion dollar deficits with the neo -con mantra deficits don't matter what is happening is aresult of that neo con Bull
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                      • Author by 3rdParty (June 19, 2009 9:05 pm ET)
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                        "BTW Sarah is a friend and I am the father of two girls. If Letterman or anyother person said those things about my daughter there would be hell to pay. Regardless of what my daughters did or di not do inthe past, they are my daughters and i will protect them to the death. Too bad the rest of you would tthrow yours to the wolves for the sake of a laugh. PITIFUL."--by WorldlyMrR

                        Don't you mean, Sarah is an IMAGINARY friend?

                        Not that I favor anybody talking about someone's daughter and I do understand how somebody would be upset; But exactly what hell would people pay for telling that joke about one of your daughters?

                        If your idea of throwing ours to the wolves for the sake of a laugh, is handling the situation like a mature adult as opposed to flying off of the handle and giving someone hell; Then yes you are right.
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                    • Author by Cheney2012 (June 19, 2009 6:39 am ET)
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                      I'll say it again. None of those jokes are at all like Letterman's.
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                      • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 8:18 am ET)
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                        Why don't you go through them and compare and contrast them, making your case that all of them are less offensive?

                        You know you can't.
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                      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 19, 2009 8:58 am ET)
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                        If there was ever an example of the fact that merely saying something again doesn't make it true, Dick's post above is it.
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                      • Author by thejbomb65 (June 19, 2009 9:15 am ET)
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                        right not anywhere nearly as bad.......and i wonder had any of the palin girls been the subject of the limbaugh and mccain, what your reaction would be? my guess, you would let them slide on that one.
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                    • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 19, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
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                      Thanks, dude. Hope things are looking up.
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                • Author by Cheney2012 (June 19, 2009 6:37 am ET)
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                  What a surprise, the child has no response.
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                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 19, 2009 9:00 am ET)
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                    Not really, there was nothing of value to respond to. Why don't you start working on your proof that none of the jokes Snoopy posted above compared to Letterman's? I'm sure we are all waiting with bated breath to laugh at that analysis.
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                  • Author by snoopy (June 19, 2009 10:11 am ET)
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                    Friedbergs response is enough. I am amazed you think the racist statements aren't worse. No, I take that back, it's you, so I'm not amazed at all. Now why don't you do as suggested and go point by point about how all those other "jokes" aren't near as bad? I'm betting you can't either, dick's love child...
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                  • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 19, 2009 11:56 am ET)
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                    The hockey joke by O'Brien is nearly identical Cheney.

                    1) According to you, Letterman's joke involved Willow being knocked up by ARod at a baseball game since she was the daughter in New York, correct?

                    2) At the hockey game, Conan mentioned that "Sarah Palin is going to drop the first puck at the Philadelphia Flyers' hockey game. Then Palin will spend the rest of the game trying to keep the hockey players out of her daughter's penalty box."

                    As Snoopy noted, "On October 8, 2008, Sarah Palin walked out on the ice with six year old Piper and 13 year old Willow, before the game."

                    By your theory, Conan was saying Palin's 13 yr old daughter, if Palin didn't protect her, would have had sex with one of the players. The only difference is Conan didn't say "knocked up."

                    Why don't you analyze the jokes and show us why they're different.
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          • Author by Leftym0m79 (June 18, 2009 11:52 am ET)
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            What about when everyone and I do mean everyone from Letterman to BillO were cracking jokes at the expense of Jaime-Lynn Spears, or does she not count? According to BillO she was a pin-head, but not Bristol, oh no, she was the second coming of the Blessed Mother. You cannot have it both ways. If you are going to be outraged by one tasteless joke (that has been apologized for twice now by the way) you need to offended by them all, or you can do what everyone with 2 working synapses does when you see something or hear something you don't like, change the channel.
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            • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (June 18, 2009 1:25 pm ET)
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              If you are going to be outraged by one tasteless joke...


              What makes it tasteless? I hear this term thrown about over and over. What does it mean? It reminds me of movie reviews that say something like, "This interesting but flawed character...". Of course a character is flawed. We are all flawed. I think 'tasteless' and 'flawed' both should be retired to the Pretension Hall of Fame, and words should be used that really describe one's opinion.
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            • Author by wally1k (June 18, 2009 6:09 pm ET)
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              Comment on conservatives having it both ways.....

              Yes its the whole abortion debate too - YOu can not have it both ways. Killing is wrong - Stop the wars, stop abortion and repeal the death penalty.
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              • Author by 3rdParty (June 19, 2009 9:30 pm ET)
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                Comment on conservatives having it both ways.....

                Yes its the whole abortion debate too - YOu can not have it both ways. Killing is wrong - Stop the wars, stop abortion and repeal the death penalty.--by wally1k

                That's right!
                And on the flipside; a lot of democrats like to have it both ways too...Pro abortion but anti-death penalty.

                I don't get how that is so difficult for people to understand.

                Be consistent and stop justifying killing.
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                • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (June 20, 2009 4:51 pm ET)
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                  Pro abortion but anti-death penalty.
                  We're not the ones that equate a fetus with a fully-formed born human being.
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          • Author by Brabantio (June 18, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
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            I vaguely remember any number of Limbaugh defenders saying that he's an entertainer and Coulter fans saying she's just joking and to lighten up. How is it that Coulter can call someone a "f----t" and that's supposed to be accepted as part of the discourse, while if an actual comedian tells an ambiguous joke, that's disgusting? Where is the overwhelming condemnation of her being "mean-spirited" or "vile" within your general ideological sphere?

            If conservatives are going to defend right-wingers because they're "just joking", then why doesn't that apply to someone who's been established as "just joking" for decades?
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          • Author by thejbomb65 (June 18, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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            and yet i've seen you call president obama vile, disgusting and mean spirited names........is that also comedy? where is your apology?
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          • Author by historygeek001 (June 18, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
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            Hey Cheney--

            It's OK if you don't have a sense of humor. We understand. And pretending that the right-wing hate machine doesn't spew out much worse every single day is so transparently false that I can only asume that you want us to understand how much you enjoy lying.
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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 18, 2009 3:14 pm ET)
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            The fact that you think it's acceptable just shows how pathetic you are


            It was a JOKE!!

            And unless you've lived under a rock for the last 2 years, you'd know that Palin's daughter got knocked up right under her abstinence loving mother's nose. THAT was the JOKE!!

            This fake outrage is exactly that, FAKE.

            No one complained when Palin announced to the world that her teenage, unmarried daughter was knocked up! And no one complained when Palin then took her teenage, unmarried, knocked up daughter on the campaign trail, 24/7, while Palin preached "abstinence only" bull to the rest of the country.

            And by the way, IF you folks are soooo concerned about women and young girls, tell that freaking JOKE of a Governor to PAY FOR RAPE KITS FOR WOMEN AND GIRLS!!!

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            • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (June 18, 2009 3:23 pm ET)
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              Word!
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 19, 2009 9:04 am ET)
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              And no one complained when Palin then took her teenage, unmarried, knocked up daughter on the campaign trail, 24/7, while Palin preached "abstinence only" bull to the rest of the country.
              To be fair, Pearlene, she didn't bring Bristol along with her to campaign, she was merely there as an accessory to hold and take care of Sarah's other campaign prop, her son with Down Syndrome.
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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 19, 2009 2:38 pm ET)
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                she didn't bring Bristol along with her to campaign, she was merely there as an accessory to hold and take care of Sarah's other campaign prop, her son with Down Syndrome.



                OMG! Easy, you're absolutely right!!

                How could I forget little Trig Plain's 2008 Presidential campaign. I wonder how many frequent flyer miles he racked up?
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                • Author by jpeagle21 (June 19, 2009 4:07 pm ET)
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                  She gets bashed for not staying at home to ba a mom to her kids and she gets bashed for taking them with her. You people really hate her don't you? Or, is it fear? Way to go, bringing the disabled kid into the argument. You must be proud. At least is shows us what kind of people you really are.
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                  • Author by snoopy (June 19, 2009 5:28 pm ET)
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                    We just have a problem with her blatant hypocracy of using her kids as campaign props and then turning on the tears when someone points it out. And your blatant support of her hypocracy (and a few racist statements) shows us what kind of people your kind is too.
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                    • Author by WorldlyMrR (June 19, 2009 5:35 pm ET)
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                      "Your kind" Come now Dog, whoi is getting racist? I say you are the pot calling the kettle black.
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                      • Author by snoopy (June 19, 2009 6:05 pm ET)
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                        "Your kind" is a racist statement? I think you should explain that one, if you can...
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                        • Author by jpeagle21 (June 19, 2009 7:27 pm ET)
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                          How many times were Sasha and Malia on the front cover of magazines? You're good at finding exactly how many times something happened. Find that one. I'm sure I saw them at the conventions and every other time they could get a camera to point their way. Talk about campaign props.
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                          • Author by snoopy (June 19, 2009 7:47 pm ET)
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                            I don't recall Obama making an issue of it like Palin did, and I don't recall the press pushing stories about the kids like I saw the press push the preggie teen story as proof of republican family values. Please, feel free to prove me wrong though.

                            P.S. still waiting for you to denounce the other "jokes" and demand they lose their jobs too. Especially the racist comments. It's only been 24 hours since I last made that statement, so feel free to denounce away. (crickets chirping)
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                  • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (June 20, 2009 2:58 am ET)
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                    She gets bashed for not staying at home to ba a mom to her kids and she gets bashed for taking them with her.


                    She get based for being a freaking hypocrite!!

                    Preaching abstinence only while her own teenage daughter get pregnant. Why no allow sex education to PREVENT teenage pregnancy and stds?

                    Claiming that she's upset about Letterman's comment on "young women" while NOT willing to provide free rape kits for women.

                    And it was Sarah who CHOOSE to pimp her children as proof of her "family values". She was running for political office NOT her freaking kids. They should have been at home, not used as stage props.
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    • Author by thelittlethings (June 17, 2009 11:53 pm ET)
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      Letterman should use this list on his show. Maybe make it a two- or three-parter, having a new list of 10 each time. Heck, it could go on forever! Maybe then the conservatives will finally stop whining like a bunch of babies. Great list!!
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    • Author by pags2 (June 18, 2009 1:17 am ET)
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      The top ten list barely scratches the surface of some of the repugnant things that have been said by conservatives, including Pat Robertson, members of Congress and their staff, and a host of other nitwits. Limbaugh could easily have a top 100 statements that he should apologize for saying. So long as conservatives tolerate the likes of these people, the less likely conservatives will be able to get out their message. Furthermore, the longer that conservatives fail to disassociate themselves from the intolerant commentators, the more likely people will attribute those intolerant attitudes to all conservatives. You cannot build an idea or movement based on hate without it consuming the rational voices.
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      • Author by tman418 (June 18, 2009 4:17 am ET)
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        Agreed. Some of the examples used here make what other conservatives have said/other things these conservatives have said look like a children's book.
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    • Author by cheekycheeky (June 18, 2009 5:19 am ET)
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      "Knocked up" does not mean raped. "Knocked up" means impregnated. The Palins' and conservative media's insinuation that Letterman said something horrible, which he didn't say, is despicable and they need to be taken to task for that. I don't really care much about protecting Letterman but I don't really think his joke, with the only meaning of "knocked up" I was at all aware of, was that bad. Joking that Sarah Palin's 18-year-old daughter, who had been impregnated before, was impreganted by Alex Rodriguez during the Fifth Inning because they were sitting by the Yankees dugout I think is not that bad and a sarcastic if a bit biting joke. Whatever, Letterman didn't do anything too bad, lots of people do things that are a little bit bad sometimes, and it is not right to throw Letterman under the bus. But the meaning of "knocked up" should be pretty damn clear I think.
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      • Author by Cheney2012 (June 18, 2009 8:25 am ET)
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        You are leaving out the 14-year-old part. She was the one at the game. That is would be statuatory rape.
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          • Author by Cheney2012 (June 18, 2009 8:33 am ET)
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            100 percent correct
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          • Author by snoopy (June 18, 2009 11:52 am ET)
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            Such wit from the party that supports the minutemen, the american nazi party and the KKK...
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          • Author by Brabantio (June 18, 2009 1:17 pm ET)
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            Flagged for trolling.
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          • Author by OnceYouGoBarack (June 18, 2009 1:27 pm ET)
               
            This is the party that supports NAMBLA.
            Uh huh....and we just revoked your membership for that post.
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              • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 8:26 am ET)
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                Better than flagging someone for trying to associate child molestation to an entire ideology? Even if you were to have a point about one person, how do you believe you can extrapolate that to identify a viewpoint for any significant portion of Democrats?

                I wasn't surprised. I don't expect anything of value from the likes of you.
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                • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 19, 2009 8:35 am ET)
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                  The same way the echo chamber and yourself equate the Nazi party and the Klan (historically Democrats) to the Republicans. It happens every day here and you and your fellow travelers utter nary a word.

                  I did count you among the handful of fair minded libs on here. I was wrong.
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                    • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 8:58 am ET)
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                      Why don't you just keep at it until you get banned?

                      Pick your battles.
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                      • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 19, 2009 9:34 am ET)
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                        Why wont you debate the facts then? Why does the staff side with you?

                        Can't let that little tidbit see the light day?

                        The echo chamber is SO predictable. Flag those we don't agree with, especially when it's a messy little topic.

                        You do have one thing right. It's not worth the hassle to fall on my sword over this. It is worth it to expose what I've long suspected on this forum.
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                        • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 10:52 am ET)
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                          Because you're trolling. Your fact doesn't prove anything about Democrats in general. It's inflammatory. You can't very well expect to be treated with any amount of respect when you make posts like that.

                          I notice you didn't try to back up your comment about my equating of nazis with Republicans. Why not? Maybe because you're a troll and such inflammatory behavior fits your M.O.
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                          • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 19, 2009 11:39 am ET)
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                            OK, maybe YOU haven't specifically equated Republicans with Nazi's, but it happens here on a daily basis. YOU haven't spoken out about it so therefore you are in agreement, yes?

                            Those accusations don't prove anything about Republicans, yet it passes for gospel on this forum.

                            You may as well flag 2/3 of the posts on here if that is your threshold for trolling. I guess it's only trolling if you don't agree with the poster eh Brab...
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                            • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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                              I've made myself clear any number of times that I don't think Republicans should be generalized about and that there should be an effort to accept the more moderate element in order to fight the extremist element of the Republican party. So no, I'm not in agreement that Republicans in general are equivalent to Nazis. If there are really that many posts that say that, then I would be fighting that battle day in and day out anyway.

                              I flag the liberal trolls as well, although obviously there aren't as many. Honestly, I'm not sure that the more well-known and respected posters really make the equivalence you claim. In any event, either I ignore that sort of thing or flag it, and my history makes it pretty clear that I don't engage in that sort of thinking. I also have never flagged anyone simply because I disagree with them. You really don't have a clue who you are talking to.

                              But if it makes you feel better about your idiotic behavior to point to someone else and say "they do it too" like a whiny toddler, go for it.
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                              • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 19, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
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                                If there are really that many posts that say that, then I would be fighting that battle day in and day out anyway.


                                You're not reading the same threads I am then. Why there is one here that hasn't been flagged yet.

                                You keep up the good fight flagging those "libs"...
                                Just wondering if you double checked my "facts" you flagged? The truth hurts sometimes I know...
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                                • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 5:26 pm ET)
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                                  There's one here that hasn't been flagged? It sure sounded like this place was waist-deep in Nazi equivalence. And it's a post which was made in response to your inflammatory garbage about NAMBLA. That's a sure sign of an epidemic, alright.

                                  I really don't care if your facts are right or not. What was it, Pelosi being in one parade with one person who supported NAMBLA? That's supposed to make the entire party supportive of pedophilia? That's flat-out insane. You can't possibly believe that has any credibility, so it's obvious you were being a troll. If you don't like being held accountable for that, try to act like an adult and you won't have so much of a problem. Otherwise, I suggest you figure out a way of dealing with being flagged besides making additional unwarranted attacks.

                                  Fair enough?
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                                  • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 20, 2009 9:04 am ET)
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                                    I really don't care if your facts are right or not.


                                    That pretty much sums it up now doesn't it! :)

                                    It was more than Pelosi. You choose to ignore and twist to fit. You know the truth is out there. We all have to face the skeletons in our party's closet eventually.
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                                    • Author by Brabantio (June 20, 2009 9:59 am ET)
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                                      What I'm saying is that whether it's true or not is irrelevant. It doesn't support the charge that the Democratic Party is the party of pedophilia either way. You're smart enough to comprehend that.

                                      Pelosi's the only one you mentioned. Am I supposed to have searched for other specific politicians based on the single name you provided, or what? If you wanted to make a case for other people, why didn't you do so?

                                      In case it's not obvious, I really don't care about Pelosi. I'm not beholden to defending anyone. My point was that you tried to smear everyone you disagree with politically as being associated with pedophiles, which is reprehensible behavior. I don't see you making a case to the contrary.
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                                      • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 20, 2009 11:16 am ET)
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                                        Pelosi's the only one you mentioned. Am I supposed to have searched for other specific politicians based on the single name you provided, or what? If you wanted to make a case for other people, why didn't you do so?


                                        Well if you had actually read my original post that you kneejerked and flagged, then you would have seen I posted THREE examples.

                                        I think you're smart enough to research it yourself.

                                        If the left insists on equating the right with Nazi's and Klansmen then I'll drag out the seamier underbelly of the left.

                                        Just go down and look at the two cheerleaders that are trying to link Republicans to the Klan. Nothing but blatant lies that cant be backed up with facts. When I called them on it, of course they change the subject.

                                        When I see more policing of the smears the right endures daily here, then maybe I'll stand down.


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                                        • Author by Brabantio (June 20, 2009 2:47 pm ET)
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                                          I read your post. You listed Nancy Pelosi, Harry Hay and the 2001 gay pride parade. That's one example.

                                          You don't have to stand down on your own. Just keep getting your posts pulled, and before long you won't have any choice in the matter at all.
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                        • Author by ksimms (June 19, 2009 7:56 pm ET)
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                          If you don't agree with or like this echo chamber then why don't you go hang out with your fellow mouthbreathers over at redstate (or any other knuckledragger hangout). You're NOT welcome here.
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                          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 20, 2009 6:39 pm ET)
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                            Let's not be mean. Dick is certainly welcome here. His incompetence at forming and making cogent arguments is one of the main sources of entertainment on this site.
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                  • Author by Brabantio (June 19, 2009 8:57 am ET)
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                    Myself? I equate the Nazi party to Republicans? What are you referring to, specifically?
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                    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 19, 2009 9:08 am ET)
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                      All Republicans are not Nazis.

                      But almost all Nazis are Republican.
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                      • Author by 3rdParty (June 19, 2009 10:03 pm ET)
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                        Can you add a list of all of the Nazis that are republican for us?

                        I know that Reinhard Gehlen was employed by the U.S. via the CIA. But I'm not sure that both parties didn't have something to do with that.

                        Paul Weyrich's(Founder of The Heritage Foundation) advisor Laszlo Pasztor was a convicted Nazi collaborator.

                        There were also six other Nazi collaborators that worked for the Bush Sr administration that had to be let go.

                        It's funny how that was never a major news story.
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                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 19, 2009 9:09 am ET)
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                    the Nazi party and the Klan (historically Democrats)
                    And those Democrats were welcomed in to the Republican Party with open arms after the Civil Rights Acts passed in 1964 and 1965.

                    Interesting how you left that little nugget out of your ignorant ravings.
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                    • Author by snoopy (June 19, 2009 10:14 am ET)
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                      Or that they have voted for a number of congressmen and senators who were klansmen, like david duke.
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                      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 19, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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                        Oh, no, here come the 70-years-in-the-past allegations about Robert Byrd.

                        Before you wingnuts get yourselves cross-threaded and in a twist, Duke is a current, unapologetic member of the Klan. Byrd renounced his membership, and the Klan, almost 70 years ago.
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                      • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 19, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
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                        A number? Would that be more than the ONE you posted? Who would those countless others be? I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you snoop, but Duke was never elected as a Congressman as a Republican. He was voted into the LA State House as a DEMOCRAT the first time though! Tough luck there big guy.

                        And yes to the Head Cheerleader below, Grand Wizard Byrd has been voted in time after time as a DEMOCRAT. No matter how many excuses you make for him.

                        Do I need to post how the Klan was started and by whom?
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                        • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 19, 2009 4:54 pm ET)
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                          Sorry friebergboy, that should read to the Cheerleader above.
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                          • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 19, 2009 8:18 pm ET)
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                            No problem, Tbone, still waiting for your reply to my ACLU link
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                        • Author by snoopy (June 19, 2009 5:32 pm ET)
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                          Got news for you too. He quickly switched to republican when he found out they welcomed racists. And do I need to post how the klan switched parties and when? Or are you not interested in current affairs?

                          P.S. yes, a number. As in more than 1...
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                          • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 20, 2009 9:39 am ET)
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                            No list of Republican Klansmen yet snoop dog? Is the Google down today?
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                            • Author by Brabantio (June 20, 2009 10:02 am ET)
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                              Why don't you search yourself, since you expect others to do a research paper on the supposedly extensive connections between NAMBLA and the Democratic Party? If you don't have to make your own arguments, why should others?

                              You know the truth is out there. You have to face the skeletons in your closet sometime. Right?
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                              • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 20, 2009 11:24 am ET)
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                                I've done the research and there is nothing there. Just you three liars trying to smear the Republicans.

                                It's YOUR DEMOCRAT PARTY that keeps electing a former Grand Dragon of the KU KLUX KLAN in the form of one reprehensible Robert C. Byrd (D) W. VA. It's your party that holds this scum up as a lion of the senate. It's your party that tries its best to tar and feather Republicans with the same hate that your known members have espoused. Grand Dragon Byrd still uses the N word!

                                That is YOUR legacy. Own up to it and quit trying to slag mine. Hypocrite.
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                                • Author by solon (June 20, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
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                                  There is no such thing as a Democrat party. People so stupid they dont even know the name of the largest political party in America cannot be taken seriously and should be laughed at with pity
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                                • Author by Brabantio (June 20, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
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                                  I'm not sure what you want from people. Why don't we just shoot people convicted of a crime, since sixty years later others can just bring it up over and over again no matter how long they've been out and leading a more respectable life? Either you can reform yourself or you can't. He quit. It was over sixty-five years ago. I don't know how you expect the person who holds the record for the longest amount of time served in the Senate to not have some sort of seniority privileges. It's also the business of the people of West Virginia who they vote for. I don't have any say in the matter anyway. When he does make a racist comment, you won't find that approved of by any liberals I've ever known.

                                  All I was pointing out was your hypocrisy in expecting others to make lists when you won't do the same. I'm not sure how I'm trying to "slag" anything there. Also, I did the research on the incident you referred to and I didn't find anything there. See how well that works out for you?
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                        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 20, 2009 1:29 am ET)
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                          Would that be more than the ONE you posted? Who would those countless others be?
                          I hope you have heard of Strom Thurmond. He ran for President in 1948 as the leader of the Segregationist Party. He was welcomed into the Republican Party after the Civil Rights Act passed. Maybe you've heard of Trent Lott? He has given several interviews to the magazine of the Council of Concerned Citizens (the CCC, get it?), as well as being the keynote speaker at several of their conventions. He has said to them that their values are the sort that America should follow. They are still a racist and anti-miscegenationist group.

                          There are more, but that may be all the ignorance remedying you can take for one session.
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                          • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 20, 2009 9:19 am ET)
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                            The Cheerleader gets his google go'n!

                            I don't know EZ...I'm not sure I've heard of a Klanman named Strom Thurmond. I'm sure there is one out there. You keep searching, because as far as I can tell Sen. Strom Thurmond (R) SC, was not involved with the Klan. He did do these things though:
                            - first US Senator to hire a black aid
                            - eliminated the Poll Tax in SC to help further educate minority children
                            - was first elected to the Senate as a write in candidate (the only one ) as a DEMOCRAT

                            Ditto for Trent Lott.

                            You just make it up on the fly don't you. Please don't stop. I need a good belly laugh in the morning.
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                        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 20, 2009 1:34 am ET)
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                          Do I need to post how the Klan was started and by whom?
                          You mean the group started by Tennessean and Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest? Do I need to post how the Democratic-Republican Party became the Republicans, and how they became the party that courted and welcomed racists with open arms after the Civil Rights Acts passed? Do I need to post Nixon's Southern strategy?

                          Don't present a can of worms as "evidence" unless you plan to open it and use it. And make sure the can contains the type of worms you think it does. I don't think you're ready for that.
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          • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 18, 2009 1:32 pm ET)
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            I assume you mean the ACLU is the supporter, Tbone. Do you not think Freedom of Speech is for everyone? Why do you righties hate the First Amendment?

            "Why did the ACLU represent NAMBLA?
            The ACLU of Massachusetts' represented members of NAMBLA because, while the ACLU does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children, we do advocate robust freedom of speech. This lawsuit struck at the heart of the First Amendment. It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something people find reasonable. The defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people reject. For more information about the case, please contact the ACLU of Massachusetts."

            http://www.aclu.org/about/faqs/index.html#3_4
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            • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 20, 2009 9:32 am ET)
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              At the risk of getting nabbed by the enraged flagger, I'm going to pass on this debate friedbergboy.

              Yes it was mainly the ACLU, because they were the ONLY people that would defend the attackers of Curley. Since they are lockstep with Dems on most issues I felt I could include that case. I will admit that most of the outrage was on the emotional side because of the nature of the case.

              Counselor the floor is yours. Forgive me if I don't respond. I got two strikes yesterday and I'm looking for a walk now. Not worth the hassle of changing everything.
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              • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 20, 2009 4:02 pm ET)
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                Tbone,

                It was solely the ACLU and they were only defending NAMBLA's right to speak, not their actions. There is a HUGE distinction there and the ACLU showed that difference. For you to say that Dems are supporters of NAMBLA is frankly disgusting, but defending their right to speak is a very American thing to do.

                As for the ACLU being in lockstep with almost all Dems, I don't agree. The ACLU has filed briefs on behalf of Rush more than once and has come to the aid of Hannity when he was in college. The ACLU fights for the rights of Americans and does not discriminate based on politics.
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        • Author by soapdish01 (June 18, 2009 8:45 am ET)
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          You're being ignorant. The Palins are famous for having a knocked up daughter. David Letterman made a joke about a knocked up daughter. The joke ended there.

          Raping 14 year olds was brought up by the right. And if they'd like to talk about "statutory" rape, why didn't anyone bring it up when 17 year old Bristol got pregnant?

          Congratulations, you've proven yourself to be as hypocritical as all the examples listed in this article.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 18, 2009 9:26 am ET)
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          You are leaving out the 14-year-old part. She was the one at the game.
          She's actually 15 1/2, but that's beside the point. She wasn't at the game. The "young woman" pointed out in the photographs of the people at the game was Judy Giuliani, Rudy's wife (The fact that someone thought she looked 14 is another matter entirely). None of the Palin daughters were in attendance at the game. But don't let facts get in the way of a good imaginary story.
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 18, 2009 10:55 am ET)
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            ETRW, are you sure about that? Obviously Letterman's joke was about the older daughter (to any sane person), but as far as I know the younger daughter was the one at the game.She may not have been shown on camera, and I couldn't tell you if Bristol or Willow was the older one on most days, so it was pretty easy to think that it was the older one at the game.

            All that aside, the younger one is about the same age that the older one was when she got knocked up, and neither is much younger than Monica Lewinsky was when she was a punchline every night for a year or so.Phony outrage.
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            • Author by NG_Officer (June 18, 2009 11:20 am ET)
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              Unfortunately, Palin did state in her interview on the Today show that Willow was at the stadium with her:
              From HuffPo
              "Matt, I would say that you and anybody else are extremely naive to believe that very convenient excuse of David Letterman's the other day. He took a couple of days for him to think of that excuse that, oh, no, he wasn't talking about my daughter who was there with me at the [Yankees] game, the 14-year-old. Well, I think it's a weak excuse."

              It would be too funny if Palin was actually lying about Willow being present at the game. So far, I have not seen any photographic proff that she was.
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 18, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
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                New York newspapers reported that only four people were in Giuliani's party at the game: Sarah and Todd Palin, and Rudy and Judy Giuliani. They may be incorrect, but those were the reports. I'm not saying Sarah is lying to make her family more of a "victim," but it wouldn't be the first time she had done that.
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                • Author by NG_Officer (June 18, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
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                  I'm with you. Her lying about Willow being at the game would just add to the phoniness of her "outrage"
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          • Author by Cheney2012 (June 18, 2009 9:49 pm ET)
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            "None of the Palin daughters were in attendance at the game."

            LIE.

            You refute yourself by making stuff up.
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 19, 2009 8:06 am ET)
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            Easy is making it up on the fly, as usual. NO links, just "The Facts" according to Easy.

            Don't let the facts get in the way of a good echo Easy.
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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 19, 2009 9:12 am ET)
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              I notice neither of you provided a speck of proof to back up your accusations. I said where I saw what I posted, all you want to do is accuse.
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        • Author by thejbomb65 (June 18, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
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          well what about the fact that when bristol was pregnant she was....17! where is the call for Levi Johnson to be brought up on rape charges!? if your going to bash letterman for his joke....then Levi needs to be brought up on statutory rape charges because legally thats what had occured.

          i patiently await your response
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (June 18, 2009 4:13 pm ET)
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          Once again, thank you for informing us that Palin's 14 year old has also been knocked up. I, as well as Letterman, only thought it was the 18 year old that had been pregnant. Thank you for letting me know the 14 year old has alos been knocked up. I've actually learned something from one of your posts.
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    • Author by CamperDan (June 18, 2009 6:55 am ET)
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      You have completely missed the point. Children are off limits. Everybody else is open to criticism.
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      • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 18, 2009 10:16 am ET)
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        Camper, why wasn't Palin outraged at Leno last fall? Where was the outrage then? I agree, children should be off limits, but this selective outrage is maddening.
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      • Author by NdlovukaziThor (June 18, 2009 2:06 pm ET)
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        They're not children or off-limits when they're 18+ and blabbing their business to morning shows and Tyra and magazines.
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      • Author by thejbomb65 (June 18, 2009 2:55 pm ET)
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        camper by such logic conan o'brien, and jay leno should have received the same treatment as letterman, the fact that they didn't and letterman is now just shows how much sarah palin will go to score some political points and get attention for herself
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        • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 19, 2009 8:15 am ET)
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          Why didn't O'Brien and Leno get the same treatment? Someone posted a quote attributed to Leno that was pretty close to the same thing. I NEVER saw it carried by the media like Dave's quote. Why? Leno's wife is a Hollywood uber-liberal, and I think he has supported both dems and Reps, so it can't be a favoritism thing.

          Did the right just get fed up and draw a line? Much like what happened with Imus, maybe the people just said enough.
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          • Author by thejbomb65 (June 19, 2009 9:30 am ET)
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            tbone....the answer lies in the fact that when leno and o'brien made their jokes it wouldn't allow the palins' to paint themselves the victims and get attention for themselves and score political points. thats all this is is sarah palin wanting the spotlight and wanting to paint herself the victim. i mean in her response to the final apology why would she talk about us soldiers overseas? it was not necessary by any stretch of the imagination unless she was looking for a way to play politics. she could have played the outraged parent, accepted the first apology and been the responsible parent and let it die. no she had to milk this for all it was worth and score points among her political base.
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            • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 20, 2009 9:48 am ET)
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              Well hold on there Jbomb. If the jokes were close to the same as poster here have asserted, then why wouldn't the Palin's be able to paint themselves as victims? The one Leno told was darn close to fitting the mold.

              I'll be the first to admit, I didn't follow this blow for blow, but every piece I saw was basically focused on Letterman and not Palin. I personally didn't see her "scoring" points, but that's not to say she didn't do it.

              My take on this is much like the Imus mess. People who like Palin said enough. This is too much. They've crossed the line for the last time. One more thing to think about is Letterman has grown more political over the last five years. Maybe this was a shot across his bow?
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              • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 20, 2009 4:04 pm ET)
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                And if that's what they thought, enough is enough, why not go after the repeat offenders and not Letterman?

                If she thought these jokes were insensitive, her appearance on SNL after the inbred joke and the joke that she couldn't leave her daughters alone or they'd get pregnant is truly incredible.
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            • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 20, 2009 9:56 am ET)
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              I forgot to add that she may have spoken about soldiers overseas because I think her oldest boy is deployed. Just a thought.
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    • Author by Cheney2012 (June 18, 2009 8:32 am ET)
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      Hmmm...no where on Frisch's list is a disgusting, mean-spirited insult of a teenage daughter of a politician. A teenager who has not put herself in the public square to be subjected to scrutiny.

      And by the way, I don't see that often-mentioned but NEVER sourced joke that John McCain supposedly told about Chelsea Clinton. Oh, wait didn't Frisch WORK for McCain? Maybe he or one of his buddies wrote the "joke." HYPOCRITE!
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      • Author by soapdish01 (June 18, 2009 8:41 am ET)
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        Unless you have some kind of source saying Frisch actually wrote McCain's Chelsea joke, you have no right to call him a hypocrite.

        Also you might remember when Sarah Palin was dragging her entire family in front of the cameras, waving them about as if that was enough reason to vote for such a dangerous woman. If she didn't want her daughters in the public eye, maybe she shouldn't have PUT THEM THERE.
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        • Author by Cheney2012 (June 18, 2009 9:56 pm ET)
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          Why isn't that 'joke' in the top 10?
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          • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 18, 2009 11:47 pm ET)
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            Because, Cheney, this is a MEDIA watchdog website and John McCain is not a member of the media.
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      • Author by captfoster2 (June 18, 2009 9:17 am ET)
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        "Hmmm...no where on Frisch's list is a disgusting, mean-spirited insult of a teenage daughter of a politician."

        This is an excerpt from Mother Jones.com dated from 1995:

        "On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, "Did you know there's a White House dog?" Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.

        When viewers objected, he claimed, in typical Limbaugh fashion, that the gag was an accident and that without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea--which I found as disgusting as his original attempt at humor.

        On another occasion, Limbaugh put up a picture of Labor Secretary Robert Reich that showed him from the forehead up, as though that were all the camera could get. Reich is indeed a very short man as a result of a bone disease he had as a child. Somehow the effect of bone disease in children has never struck me as an appropriate topic for humor."

        Even adults who had childhood diseases are not immune from the vile right-wing attacks.

        As for the McCain joke ---> HERE <---

        Cheney2012, Don't bother to say that because it was not caught on tape that it did not happen! You know it did! Your lame attempt at deflection and calling Mr. Frisch a hypocrite is as insulting as it is childish!
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 18, 2009 9:29 am ET)
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        I don't see that often-mentioned but NEVER sourced joke that John McCain supposedly told about Chelsea Clinton.
        Your wearing non-removable blinders doesn't mean the rest of the world is sightless also.
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      • Author by thejbomb65 (June 18, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
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        i have asked you this before and i will do so again. when will you call for limbaugh to be nailed to the cross for HIS chelsea clinton joke, also mccain's joke as well.

        if your going after letterman for this then mccain and limbaugh should be held to account to.

        i again patiently await your answer
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (June 18, 2009 4:17 pm ET)
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        Cheney are you actually suggesting that Bristol has not put herself into the public square? Or are you suggesting that both of Palin's daughters have been pregnant. I would be anxious to hear you admit to either.
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    • Author by only_myschly3567 (June 18, 2009 11:09 am ET)
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      There's one huge difference really... Lettermans joke was about Palins family being fertile (she's squeezed out a fair amount of kids, and her "abstinence only"-promoting daughter got knocked up at 17), and couldn't ever lead to anything more than laughter and/or outrage and disgust.

      What the mentioned figures on the right does, however, is promote racism, sexism, homophobia etc. They constantly try to undermine the efforts of the White House, and they are promoting, encouraging, and fueling right-wing extremism.

      Parents tell their children not to throw rocks into a pond, but that is nothing compared to when they throw rocks at animals and hurt them.
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    • Author by shaggles (June 18, 2009 11:31 am ET)
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      I was hoping this article was going to highlight some of the jokes Letterman has directed at Democrats over the years to show that he's an equal opportunity offender. Bill Clinton, who he frequently referred to as 'President Tubby,' was a favorite for years. But this is good too.
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    • Author by Slinkie (June 19, 2009 4:08 pm ET)
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      You people don't get it yet it is ok for the right to talk trash and lie but God forbid else from doing so
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