A Top Ten list for Letterman's conservative critics
He doesn't host his own syndicated talk radio show. That isn't his chair behind the desk of a cable-news program. You won't find his byline on the op-ed pages, discussing the ins and outs of President Obama's latest policy proposal.
He's a gap-toothed, late night comedian, and he's in justifiably hot water with conservatives for making some pretty vile jokes.
Earlier this month on CBS' Late Show, host David Letterman took aim at Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's recent trip to New York City, offering up some off-color and patently sexist quips. During his opening monologue, Letterman said, "One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game. During the 7th inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez." Then, later in the same broadcast, while presenting No. 2 on his famed Top Ten list, this time of "Highlights of Sarah Palin's Trip to New York," Letterman said the former Republican vice presidential nominee had "bought makeup at Bloomingdale's to update her 'slutty flight attendant' look."
Letterman did the right thing in apologizing twice for his tasteless attempts at humor, finally noting that the intention of his jokes was meaningless when considering the way any rational-thinking person would perceive his jokes. Ultimately, though, it is Letterman's future conduct that will determine the sincerity of his contrition.
Still, the right's fury rages on.
It is hard, however, to take conservatives seriously when one considers that each and every day, real players in the rudderless conservative movement -- powerful talk-radio hosts, cable-news hosts, pundits, columnists, and bloggers -- throw aside the reasonable boundaries of a civil political discourse by using wickedly divisive, cruelly insensitive, intentionally misleading, and downright hateful rhetoric. And the response from their followers? Hardly a peep.
Rank hypocrisy is nothing new for right-wingers -- or politics in general, for that matter -- but in a selfless attempt to help them avoid the "hypocrite" label this time around, I humbly present a Top Ten list of "Right-Wingers From Whom Conservatives Should Be Demanding Apologies."
10) Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, for falsely claiming a hate-crimes bill that adds gay, lesbian, and transgender Americans to the list of protected groups would also protect those who commit incest, necrophilia, pedophilia, bestiality, and a host of other perversions.
9) Fox News' Sean Hannity, for hosting "Internet journalist" Andy Martin, who once called a judge a "crooked, slimy Jew, who has a history of lying and thieving common to members of his race."
8) Syndicated radio host Neal Boortz, for describing welfare recipients as "human parasitic garbage lining up to get their applications to loot."
7) Fox News conspiracy-theorist-in-chief Glenn Beck, for describing Obama's nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court as, "Hey, Hispanic chick lady! You're empathetic. ... You're in!"
6) MSNBC's resident cranky uncle, Pat Buchanan, for saying prior to Sotomayor's selection that he wanted Obama to pick a Supreme Court justice "who has real stature, impresses people" but thinking instead that Obama would pick "a minority, a woman and/or a Hispanic."
5) Syndicated radio host Jim Quinn, for repeatedly calling NOW the "National Organization of Whores."
4) Cincinnati-based radio host Bill Cunningham, for alleging that "Obama wants to gas the Jews."
3) Michael Savage (née Weiner), the third-highest-rated radio host in America, for saying "Obama hates" and "is raping America."
2) Fox News' irrepressible mega-star Bill O'Reilly, for repeatedly quacking that the legalization of gay marriage could lead to folks marrying ducks.
And No. 1, the conservative movement's de facto leader, Rush Limbaugh, for saying of Obama, "We are being told that we have to hope he succeeds, that we have to bend over, grab the ankles ... because his father was black."
In all honesty, the list could have included dozens of other media conservatives, with comments and actions numbering in the hundreds.
At the end of the day, expecting consistency from a movement motivated primarily by divisiveness and fearmongering is perhaps a bit much to ask. It's sad that the righteous complaints over Letterman's ill-conceived jokes are undermined by the right's inability to hold their own ilk accountable.
We should all be concerned about the level of sexism, racism, homophobia, and bigotry in general found in today's media landscape -- regardless of the offending party. Unfortunately, much like the iconic gap between Letterman's front teeth, so too is there a gaping hole in the credibility of his conservative critics, however justified their claims may be.
Karl Frisch is a Senior Fellow at Media Matters for America (www.mediamatters.org), a progressive media watchdog and research and information center based in Washington, D.C. Frisch also contributes to County Fair, a media blog featuring links to progressive media criticism from around the Web as well as original commentary. You can follow him on Twitter and Facebook or sign up to receive his columns by email.


















Yeah, he's a comedian with a gap between his teeth - in a great position to leverage his political agenda.
We don't think that. It's a strawman argument.
We think she's a hypocrite because of her hypocritical behavior.
I think the apology was needed just because it was ambiguous and lent itself to the wrong impression, and to make clear that there's really no intent to be vicious, just to make light of the same thing everyone else is making light of anyway.
I'm pretty sure that's projecting at its best!
So yes, I'm pretty sure that people would be mocking Chelsea Clinton in that situation. I'd like to know what your basis for thinking otherwise is, if there's an actual thought process involved.
Feel free to twist words any way you see fit to bolster your argument.
I'll play your game though. If Ms. C Clinton had been in the same situation, I'm sure the usual suspects would take their pound of flesh. I will project though that the leftward leaning would then turn the debate (with help from their friends in the MSM) into a compassion play and suddenly Ms C would be held up a shining beacon of hope for underage girls. The media would not have joked about it and they surely would not have gone after Bill and Hill about it.
So late-night comedians are going to pass up a source of material? For what reason?
You're not really grasping the point, either. Any mention of Clinton was likely to bring on a Lewinsky joke. It's not like a new affair was revealed three times a week.
Maybe.
So, you make the rules on what should be joked about and what shouldn't?
I see you'll use that as an excuse to avoid the question, though.
How is it that you are quite sure of that when he's never made a joke about a 14 year old before and he's said that he wasn't talking about the 14 year old?
The joke wasn't about the kid anyway. It was about the mom.
I don't believe that the writers did it on purpose, I just think that they got all excited about the concept of the joke and completely dropped the ball when mixing up the two daughters' names.
I'd rather not create hypothetical situations because Chelsea didn't even have to get knocked up...Just because she didn't resemble a pornstar lookin' Fox News talking head, Non-Comedian McCain had to crack that sorry excuse of a joke about both Chelsea and Janet Reno.
That "joke" was basically buried by most media outlets.
When I watched Dave's Top Ten, I thought the flight attendant joke was particularly funny because a flight attendant was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw Pallin for the first time. I can't stand pallin and I love when Dave rags on her but I was watching this top ten with two other people and none of us laughed in a haha way. It was more like an "ouch" and "ooooh" laughter. We all agreed that we thought it was more of a knock toward flight attendants. But the flight attendant's concerns were never even heard because Mrs. Pageant Pallin had to come in and steal the show.
It was clear to me from the start that Dave meant Bristol, during the A-Rod Joke. I just didn't find that one funny at all and to me it did make Dave look kind of weak.
I loved his first apology. The second one was straight from the suits.
A: The one at the game, or...
B: The one who was actually knocked up?
I could understand if A-Rod was previously accused of knockn' women up; All we know about his recent personal life, aside from him loving himself, is that he and his wife split and he was possibly dating Madonna for a short fling. Therefore, a joke about Alex going after older women would seem far more appropriate than him dating 18 year olds. That's why it's just a bad joke from all angles.
One more point that I'd like to make is that in the context of comedians; When a comedian stutters or stumbles on words when telling a joke, it is perceived that they screwed that joke up. The fact that Dave's writers brain farted in regard to Bristol's name, is considered an extremely amateur thing to do within the business. That's also what made dave look real bad here.
Which is it? Do you believe that he was talking about Bristol or not?
How do you get to "So in your mind Letterman was talking about Rodriguez flying to Alaska and knocking up the 18 year old during the game"? You seem highly confused.
"So you would have me to believe that the joke about Gov Palin and her daughter being at the baseball game and getting knocked up wasn’t about the daughter that was actually at the game. It was about the daughter that was back home 1000+ miles away."
"Even if Letterman thought it was Bristol at the game the joke was clearly aimed at the daughter at the game."
You're hopelessly lost.
Why didn't Palin protest then?
Always love the "holier than thou, I'll judge the snot outta you, but I'm so totally going to heaven" point of view.
Suggesting we riot over this? Oh and I like how the reporters on the "protest" outnumbered the protesters, it brings us back to the gold days of the Bush presidency when Terric Schiavo protesters were being outnumbered by the total members of N'Synch. Okay it would be the total of members equal to N'Synch plus Slipknot.
I've heard Hannity go to the predictable "Imagine if I had said this about a Democratic woman..", which means that he
is admitting that Fox "news" is the equivalent of a late night comedy show.
They can't have it both ways. Either admit that Fox's "news" programming is a joke, or start going over transcripts from Redeye and making that comparison.
In now way was Letterman doing 'comedy' It was vile, disgusting and mean-spirited. Frankly, beyond the pale of anything that should be on network.
The fact that you think it's acceptable just shows how pathetic you are.
I mean all of you conservatives were threatening to rise up then too, right?
When Rush Limbaugh called Chelsea the "White House dog" and McCain told his joke, you probably threatened to leave the Republican party over such humor, right? After all, those weren't merely comedians making jokes about the President's child, those were leaders in your party.
I assume with the name Cheney2012 you have forgiven the humor of your side and organized a rally to get Leno fired before he retired. Am I right? If not, why?
You have no idea what you are talking about, so you lie through your teeth like a typical Neoclown.
No outrage. Sarah Palin appeared on the show one month later in late October.
Where was the outrage?
Not a peep from the reich...
Not a single call to revoke Craigs honorary alaskan citizenship by sarah palin. Why is that?
No outrage there either...
What - no calls for his head?
crickets chirping...
Get that? Sarah's friend, the racist...
Oops, Jay Leno - again!
Jay is on a roll!
What, another unkind crack about Palin's kids by Jay? Whoda thunk?
Even more crickets chirping...
Riled up yet? No?
Hmmm, he's still employed...
And then there's this gem of reply to the staffer who sent the spook photo of Barack Obama.
Wow, Senator Black really takes that racism seriously!
But ya know dick, the fact that you think all of that is acceptable given what David Letterman said is not only pathetic, it's laced with a healthy dose of hypocracy and bigotry...
And while I've been looking for a job, I'm quite happy that a racist bigot like yourself is paying for my unemployment while I'm searching for work. I'm doubly happy that you are now about to help pay for me to get my PM certification as well. I think I'll look around to see what other unemployment benefits I can apply for now that I know you can't stand paying for my unemployment...
Uh Oh, did Snoopy telling the truth hurt your feeling?
He really hates me, doesn't he?
Nah, jpeagle hates himself.
Imagine, running around, crying about mean old Letterman, only to find out that Leno, Conan and several other comedians already told Palin daughter jokes.
What's he suppose to do? Just turn off his tears and his outrage?
Of course, being stupid doesn't excuse his boorish behavior, but it's gotta suck being him.
It could have been one of many sockpuppets and trolls, but it doesn't surprise me that it was jpeagle.
I'm just speaking off of the top of my head here, or possibly from somewhere else...
I think Bush signed off on the first extension just prior to leaving office, then President Obama extended the benefits even more.
Due to the collapse of the economy, unemployment was one of the first focal points of where a cushion was needed.
Good luck on your certification!
1) Referring to Bristol as a victim of incest.
2) Saying that a married politician more than twice her age impregnated Bristol.
3) Inferring that Gov. Palin couldn't leave her kids alone or they'd get pregnant.
4) And since so many conservatives think that Letterman was referring to Willow (b/c she was the one in NY), why doesn't this joke send them through the roof:
"On October 8, 2008, Sarah Palin walked out on the ice with six year old Piper and 13 year old Willow, before the game, Conan O'Brien said, "Saturday night, Sarah Palin is going to drop the first puck at the Philadelphia Flyers' hockey game. Then Palin will spend the rest of the game trying to keep the hockey players out of her daughter's penalty box."
Or did you all take Conan's obvious inference differently than the same one made by Letterman?
5) What about Leno saying that the relationship between Bristol and her boyfriend was a sham and only cooked up by the Palins? That was certainly classy.
I assume, jpeagle, that you are going to organize a fire Conan rally, right?
Tell me why these jokes were tamer than Dave's. Don't just say it, compare them and educate us.
Wow, pretty embarrassing, Cheney. Cheney? Cheney??
I also have to alugh at how simple minded the exchanges on here are, including the editorial that started it all. MMFA can express al the outrage they want at Fox or those of us capitalists but is ignoring serious events on the world stage. How many of you saw the announcement from BRIC over the weekend? You say what is BRIC? Actually and more correctly who is BRIC? Brazil, Russia, India and China. They just voted and signed agreements to start trading energy not priced in US dollars but priced in Russian Rubles. China and INdia agreed to price their trade in each others currency. Brazil has become self sufficient for energy and food and they talked about slow paying the buying of our debt to teach us a lesson. Not worried you say....I'll come back by in another few weeks and see just how the 20% unemployed are doing. I will also see how the carboard tent living is coming as we WILL have Carter like inflation by year's end. Interest rates will go double digit and a new world order will be ushered in.
Strap yourself in for a wild ride!
BTW Sarah is a friend and I am the father of two girls. If Letterman or anyother person said those things about my daughter there would be hell to pay. Regardless of what my daughters did or di not do inthe past, they are my daughters and i will protect them to the death. Too bad the rest of you would tthrow yours to the wolves for the sake of a laugh. PITIFUL.
case in point the chelsea clinton jokes by limbaugh and then mccain
Note the trend continues below. INstead of worrying that the cornerstone of international trade for over 6 decades - the US DOllar - is being quickly displaced. When everyone trades off the dollar they worry about events int he US. When they quit trading the dollar they will be much less concerned for helping out Uncle Sam and his Holiness. Now the Captain in his post below continues the liberal avaoidance of key issues and tries to put words in my mouth - no where did I say anything remotely close to suggesting military action to use the dollwr - I only wanted people to realize the extremely significant milestone that just happened.
As i said - I come by every few weeks and continue to marvel at just how blinded you are all by what is happening. Just so you don't take any conservatives word for it - and since you all spend way too much time online instead of working - go to international newspaper sites. In Moscow they are marveling at how we are finally learning the Marxist way. In Italy - they did a Chavez/VZ to Obama?US comparison and it amazing at how close the actions and ideals are. I could go on and on - but you get the point i am sure.
PS part of why I have to let so many people go is all my federal work dried up once my party affiliation became known. Problem is I am still working but the majority of my employees were pro-Obama and they are the ones losing jobs because of it. Laughable irony isn't it!!!
What proof do YOU have that party affiliation has anything to do with YOU losing work? Any?
The Obama administration has Republicans as well as Democrats, so party affiliation is simply YOUR bull s*it excuse!
I don't believe anything that you post regarding the facts of your life.
I don't believe this nonsense regarding your job.
I don't believe that you know Sarah Pallin.
In fact, why would you just single out Sarah? Isn't The Upper One(Alaska) a real down home family type place where everybody knows yer name?
Wouldn't you know the entire family? Particularly speaking because you are so bumm hurt over the Bristol/Willow joke. Don't you know the daughters too?
OOOH wait a minute...Are you Sarah's secret lover? OOOH wait a minute...Are you Todd?
If your work is comparable to the quality of the "reasoning" behind your posts here, I'm pretty sure your "federal work" didn't dry up because of party affiliation.
Please explain how this is "irony".
Please provide proof. Thanks
I agree, family should be off limits, but when Letterman gets vilified that quickly with no outlash at repeat offenders, I wonder why.
Curious... are you insinuating that America attack these countries and force them to trade in US dollars?
Before you answer... consider this:
Attack with what? Missiles built with computer chips made in China?
With a military already mired in a Bush/Cheney/corporate created quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Are you willing to join up to fight that one or should someone else have to fight your battles?
As for my three daughter and whether I would protect them or not... by equating a lame, but in bad taste joke by Letterman to that of 'protecting' our children to the death... Evil Kinevil could not make that jump!
And yes, if the situation called for it... your damn right I would fight to the death in protecting my kids, if their lives, not their feelings were in danger.
That you would waste any energy in fighting to the death over a joke tells me all I need to know about just how pathetic you are!
I don't know if that is true, but I remember reading the theory at the time the non-declared war started.
Don't you mean, Sarah is an IMAGINARY friend?
Not that I favor anybody talking about someone's daughter and I do understand how somebody would be upset; But exactly what hell would people pay for telling that joke about one of your daughters?
If your idea of throwing ours to the wolves for the sake of a laugh, is handling the situation like a mature adult as opposed to flying off of the handle and giving someone hell; Then yes you are right.
You know you can't.
1) According to you, Letterman's joke involved Willow being knocked up by ARod at a baseball game since she was the daughter in New York, correct?
2) At the hockey game, Conan mentioned that "Sarah Palin is going to drop the first puck at the Philadelphia Flyers' hockey game. Then Palin will spend the rest of the game trying to keep the hockey players out of her daughter's penalty box."
As Snoopy noted, "On October 8, 2008, Sarah Palin walked out on the ice with six year old Piper and 13 year old Willow, before the game."
By your theory, Conan was saying Palin's 13 yr old daughter, if Palin didn't protect her, would have had sex with one of the players. The only difference is Conan didn't say "knocked up."
Why don't you analyze the jokes and show us why they're different.
What makes it tasteless? I hear this term thrown about over and over. What does it mean? It reminds me of movie reviews that say something like, "This interesting but flawed character...". Of course a character is flawed. We are all flawed. I think 'tasteless' and 'flawed' both should be retired to the Pretension Hall of Fame, and words should be used that really describe one's opinion.
Yes its the whole abortion debate too - YOu can not have it both ways. Killing is wrong - Stop the wars, stop abortion and repeal the death penalty.
Yes its the whole abortion debate too - YOu can not have it both ways. Killing is wrong - Stop the wars, stop abortion and repeal the death penalty.--by wally1k
That's right!
And on the flipside; a lot of democrats like to have it both ways too...Pro abortion but anti-death penalty.
I don't get how that is so difficult for people to understand.
Be consistent and stop justifying killing.
If conservatives are going to defend right-wingers because they're "just joking", then why doesn't that apply to someone who's been established as "just joking" for decades?
It's OK if you don't have a sense of humor. We understand. And pretending that the right-wing hate machine doesn't spew out much worse every single day is so transparently false that I can only asume that you want us to understand how much you enjoy lying.
It was a JOKE!!
And unless you've lived under a rock for the last 2 years, you'd know that Palin's daughter got knocked up right under her abstinence loving mother's nose. THAT was the JOKE!!
This fake outrage is exactly that, FAKE.
No one complained when Palin announced to the world that her teenage, unmarried daughter was knocked up! And no one complained when Palin then took her teenage, unmarried, knocked up daughter on the campaign trail, 24/7, while Palin preached "abstinence only" bull to the rest of the country.
And by the way, IF you folks are soooo concerned about women and young girls, tell that freaking JOKE of a Governor to PAY FOR RAPE KITS FOR WOMEN AND GIRLS!!!
OMG! Easy, you're absolutely right!!
How could I forget little Trig Plain's 2008 Presidential campaign. I wonder how many frequent flyer miles he racked up?
P.S. still waiting for you to denounce the other "jokes" and demand they lose their jobs too. Especially the racist comments. It's only been 24 hours since I last made that statement, so feel free to denounce away. (crickets chirping)
She get based for being a freaking hypocrite!!
Preaching abstinence only while her own teenage daughter get pregnant. Why no allow sex education to PREVENT teenage pregnancy and stds?
Claiming that she's upset about Letterman's comment on "young women" while NOT willing to provide free rape kits for women.
And it was Sarah who CHOOSE to pimp her children as proof of her "family values". She was running for political office NOT her freaking kids. They should have been at home, not used as stage props.
I wasn't surprised. I don't expect anything of value from the likes of you.
I did count you among the handful of fair minded libs on here. I was wrong.
Pick your battles.
Can't let that little tidbit see the light day?
The echo chamber is SO predictable. Flag those we don't agree with, especially when it's a messy little topic.
You do have one thing right. It's not worth the hassle to fall on my sword over this. It is worth it to expose what I've long suspected on this forum.
I notice you didn't try to back up your comment about my equating of nazis with Republicans. Why not? Maybe because you're a troll and such inflammatory behavior fits your M.O.
Those accusations don't prove anything about Republicans, yet it passes for gospel on this forum.
You may as well flag 2/3 of the posts on here if that is your threshold for trolling. I guess it's only trolling if you don't agree with the poster eh Brab...
I flag the liberal trolls as well, although obviously there aren't as many. Honestly, I'm not sure that the more well-known and respected posters really make the equivalence you claim. In any event, either I ignore that sort of thing or flag it, and my history makes it pretty clear that I don't engage in that sort of thinking. I also have never flagged anyone simply because I disagree with them. You really don't have a clue who you are talking to.
But if it makes you feel better about your idiotic behavior to point to someone else and say "they do it too" like a whiny toddler, go for it.
You're not reading the same threads I am then. Why there is one here that hasn't been flagged yet.
You keep up the good fight flagging those "libs"...
Just wondering if you double checked my "facts" you flagged? The truth hurts sometimes I know...
I really don't care if your facts are right or not. What was it, Pelosi being in one parade with one person who supported NAMBLA? That's supposed to make the entire party supportive of pedophilia? That's flat-out insane. You can't possibly believe that has any credibility, so it's obvious you were being a troll. If you don't like being held accountable for that, try to act like an adult and you won't have so much of a problem. Otherwise, I suggest you figure out a way of dealing with being flagged besides making additional unwarranted attacks.
Fair enough?
That pretty much sums it up now doesn't it! :)
It was more than Pelosi. You choose to ignore and twist to fit. You know the truth is out there. We all have to face the skeletons in our party's closet eventually.
Pelosi's the only one you mentioned. Am I supposed to have searched for other specific politicians based on the single name you provided, or what? If you wanted to make a case for other people, why didn't you do so?
In case it's not obvious, I really don't care about Pelosi. I'm not beholden to defending anyone. My point was that you tried to smear everyone you disagree with politically as being associated with pedophiles, which is reprehensible behavior. I don't see you making a case to the contrary.
Well if you had actually read my original post that you kneejerked and flagged, then you would have seen I posted THREE examples.
I think you're smart enough to research it yourself.
If the left insists on equating the right with Nazi's and Klansmen then I'll drag out the seamier underbelly of the left.
Just go down and look at the two cheerleaders that are trying to link Republicans to the Klan. Nothing but blatant lies that cant be backed up with facts. When I called them on it, of course they change the subject.
When I see more policing of the smears the right endures daily here, then maybe I'll stand down.
You don't have to stand down on your own. Just keep getting your posts pulled, and before long you won't have any choice in the matter at all.
But almost all Nazis are Republican.
I know that Reinhard Gehlen was employed by the U.S. via the CIA. But I'm not sure that both parties didn't have something to do with that.
Paul Weyrich's(Founder of The Heritage Foundation) advisor Laszlo Pasztor was a convicted Nazi collaborator.
There were also six other Nazi collaborators that worked for the Bush Sr administration that had to be let go.
It's funny how that was never a major news story.
Interesting how you left that little nugget out of your ignorant ravings.
Before you wingnuts get yourselves cross-threaded and in a twist, Duke is a current, unapologetic member of the Klan. Byrd renounced his membership, and the Klan, almost 70 years ago.
And yes to the Head Cheerleader below, Grand Wizard Byrd has been voted in time after time as a DEMOCRAT. No matter how many excuses you make for him.
Do I need to post how the Klan was started and by whom?
P.S. yes, a number. As in more than 1...
You know the truth is out there. You have to face the skeletons in your closet sometime. Right?
It's YOUR DEMOCRAT PARTY that keeps electing a former Grand Dragon of the KU KLUX KLAN in the form of one reprehensible Robert C. Byrd (D) W. VA. It's your party that holds this scum up as a lion of the senate. It's your party that tries its best to tar and feather Republicans with the same hate that your known members have espoused. Grand Dragon Byrd still uses the N word!
That is YOUR legacy. Own up to it and quit trying to slag mine. Hypocrite.
All I was pointing out was your hypocrisy in expecting others to make lists when you won't do the same. I'm not sure how I'm trying to "slag" anything there. Also, I did the research on the incident you referred to and I didn't find anything there. See how well that works out for you?
There are more, but that may be all the ignorance remedying you can take for one session.
I don't know EZ...I'm not sure I've heard of a Klanman named Strom Thurmond. I'm sure there is one out there. You keep searching, because as far as I can tell Sen. Strom Thurmond (R) SC, was not involved with the Klan. He did do these things though:
- first US Senator to hire a black aid
- eliminated the Poll Tax in SC to help further educate minority children
- was first elected to the Senate as a write in candidate (the only one ) as a DEMOCRAT
Ditto for Trent Lott.
You just make it up on the fly don't you. Please don't stop. I need a good belly laugh in the morning.
Don't present a can of worms as "evidence" unless you plan to open it and use it. And make sure the can contains the type of worms you think it does. I don't think you're ready for that.
"Why did the ACLU represent NAMBLA?
The ACLU of Massachusetts' represented members of NAMBLA because, while the ACLU does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children, we do advocate robust freedom of speech. This lawsuit struck at the heart of the First Amendment. It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something people find reasonable. The defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people reject. For more information about the case, please contact the ACLU of Massachusetts."
http://www.aclu.org/about/faqs/index.html#3_4
Yes it was mainly the ACLU, because they were the ONLY people that would defend the attackers of Curley. Since they are lockstep with Dems on most issues I felt I could include that case. I will admit that most of the outrage was on the emotional side because of the nature of the case.
Counselor the floor is yours. Forgive me if I don't respond. I got two strikes yesterday and I'm looking for a walk now. Not worth the hassle of changing everything.
It was solely the ACLU and they were only defending NAMBLA's right to speak, not their actions. There is a HUGE distinction there and the ACLU showed that difference. For you to say that Dems are supporters of NAMBLA is frankly disgusting, but defending their right to speak is a very American thing to do.
As for the ACLU being in lockstep with almost all Dems, I don't agree. The ACLU has filed briefs on behalf of Rush more than once and has come to the aid of Hannity when he was in college. The ACLU fights for the rights of Americans and does not discriminate based on politics.
Raping 14 year olds was brought up by the right. And if they'd like to talk about "statutory" rape, why didn't anyone bring it up when 17 year old Bristol got pregnant?
Congratulations, you've proven yourself to be as hypocritical as all the examples listed in this article.
All that aside, the younger one is about the same age that the older one was when she got knocked up, and neither is much younger than Monica Lewinsky was when she was a punchline every night for a year or so.Phony outrage.
From HuffPo
"Matt, I would say that you and anybody else are extremely naive to believe that very convenient excuse of David Letterman's the other day. He took a couple of days for him to think of that excuse that, oh, no, he wasn't talking about my daughter who was there with me at the [Yankees] game, the 14-year-old. Well, I think it's a weak excuse."
It would be too funny if Palin was actually lying about Willow being present at the game. So far, I have not seen any photographic proff that she was.
LIE.
You refute yourself by making stuff up.
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good echo Easy.
i patiently await your response
Statutory Rape by State
Patiently awaiting your rebuttal.
Did the right just get fed up and draw a line? Much like what happened with Imus, maybe the people just said enough.
I'll be the first to admit, I didn't follow this blow for blow, but every piece I saw was basically focused on Letterman and not Palin. I personally didn't see her "scoring" points, but that's not to say she didn't do it.
My take on this is much like the Imus mess. People who like Palin said enough. This is too much. They've crossed the line for the last time. One more thing to think about is Letterman has grown more political over the last five years. Maybe this was a shot across his bow?
If she thought these jokes were insensitive, her appearance on SNL after the inbred joke and the joke that she couldn't leave her daughters alone or they'd get pregnant is truly incredible.
And by the way, I don't see that often-mentioned but NEVER sourced joke that John McCain supposedly told about Chelsea Clinton. Oh, wait didn't Frisch WORK for McCain? Maybe he or one of his buddies wrote the "joke." HYPOCRITE!
Also you might remember when Sarah Palin was dragging her entire family in front of the cameras, waving them about as if that was enough reason to vote for such a dangerous woman. If she didn't want her daughters in the public eye, maybe she shouldn't have PUT THEM THERE.
This is an excerpt from Mother Jones.com dated from 1995:
"On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, "Did you know there's a White House dog?" Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.
When viewers objected, he claimed, in typical Limbaugh fashion, that the gag was an accident and that without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea--which I found as disgusting as his original attempt at humor.
On another occasion, Limbaugh put up a picture of Labor Secretary Robert Reich that showed him from the forehead up, as though that were all the camera could get. Reich is indeed a very short man as a result of a bone disease he had as a child. Somehow the effect of bone disease in children has never struck me as an appropriate topic for humor."
Even adults who had childhood diseases are not immune from the vile right-wing attacks.
As for the McCain joke ---> HERE <---
Cheney2012, Don't bother to say that because it was not caught on tape that it did not happen! You know it did! Your lame attempt at deflection and calling Mr. Frisch a hypocrite is as insulting as it is childish!
if your going after letterman for this then mccain and limbaugh should be held to account to.
i again patiently await your answer
What the mentioned figures on the right does, however, is promote racism, sexism, homophobia etc. They constantly try to undermine the efforts of the White House, and they are promoting, encouraging, and fueling right-wing extremism.
Parents tell their children not to throw rocks into a pond, but that is nothing compared to when they throw rocks at animals and hurt them.