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The right's super-secret plan to end all plans

July 01, 2009 7:48 pm ET

Pssst. Hey, conservatives ... I want to let you in on a devious little plan being hatched by your leaders in the media.

It goes something like this: President Obama, the Democratic Congress, and the federal government are evil. They already have too much power and want to take even more control over your life. They're out to take away your guns, liberty, freedom, paycheck, and perhaps your mother's apple pie! Worse yet, now they want to count you. Have they no shame?

That's right. In Obama's unyielding quest to impose a socialist-fascist-communist-Marxist police state, the president is going to send his minions from ACORN to your door to count you for the decennial census.

And their solution to the president's pompous power grab? Sitting out the census.

Seriously.

Over the past few months, an increasing number of conservative media figures and news outlets have encouraged their audiences not to complete the 2010 U.S. census or expressed support for those who've decided to skip the count. Some have even stated that they wouldn't complete it, either -- even though the law requires respondents to complete it.

They often cite the participation of the community organization ACORN -- the right's bogeyman du jour -- in the recruitment of workers who will collect data as a reason to be wary, even frightened of the census.

Never one to skip an opportunity to put his special brand of crazy on full display, Fox News' Glenn Beck recently said of the census, "[T]here's a lot of people that are concerned with it because they don't want to fill it out. They're not comfortable with ACORN members coming to find out all this information." One can't be sure where Beck got such precise numbers -- "a lot of people" -- but it's a safe bet the U.S. Census Bureau won't be following his methodology. Later in the segment, Beck confessed that he's "considered not filling it out."

Over on Clear Channel's The War Room with Quinn & Rose, a caller stated that he, too, wouldn't fill out the census because of ACORN's involvement, prompting co-host Rose Tennent to Beck-ingly say, "ACORN being recruited by Obama for a mission -- that is so frightening," adding that "it scares me to think that these thugs are getting this information from us."

Then there's syndicated radio host and convicted Watergate felon G. Gordon Liddy -- a man who has acknowledged plotting, but not following through on, a few murders, kidnappings, and a bombing. He praised Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota for her refusal to complete the census, saying that "she's worried about the involvement of ACORN ... in next year's census. ... I hope that she refuses, and I hope that they charge her, and then I hope she takes ... that thing right up to the Supreme Court of the United States and gets this question resolved." You see, Liddy is no fan of government "intrusion." During the 1990s, he reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents.

All this ACORN paranoia from the right is pretty nutty, but it is hardly its only problem with the census.

On his radio show, Neal Boortz told a caller, "I received a census form the other day asking me a whole bunch of questions about my small business. I threw it in the trash. I'm not going to answer it. None of their damn business." He added that "the federal government and the state government, they have a legitimate reason for knowing how many people live where. ... [M]ost of the rest of the information is designed to help the government steal from you in order to pass off your property to the moochers. They're looters."

A sentiment apparently shared by former Bush administration speechwriter Meghan Clyne. She recently wrote that the census questions "forc[e] Americans to disclose sensitive information about their finances, health and lifestyles." While Clyne did let readers know that answering the census is mandatory, she went on to write, "The good news is that I called the help number on my form and a Census representative finally conceded that the government was unlikely to pursue punishment if I didn't respond, saying it would be 'a waste of time and money.' " Apparently, Clyne doesn't mind if folks break the law, so long as the law isn't likely to be enforced.

I suppose this would a good time to let conservatives know why their war against the census is both politically naïve and tremendously foolish.

Those detailed questions that seem to be causing conservatives such heartburn? They help determine where federal money is best spent. The U.S. Census Bureau notes, for example, that "long-term care providers and community planners use information about disability to help them decide where to locate services and facilities." It would be a shame if conservatives actually listened to the right-wing chattering class, skipped the census, and missed out on badly needed public service projects.

Of a more pressing concern to political junkies: The census helps determine population shifts throughout the country that inform the redistricting of congressional seats and truly impacts the balance of power in Washington. So, if conservatives aren't counted, they could lose seats in Congress -- something a high school government student would likely know.

If the right wants a path back to power, it might first consider putting an end to this fool's errand, lest it cut off its nose to spite its face.

Karl Frisch is a senior fellow at Media Matters for America, a progressive media watchdog and research and information center based in Washington, D.C. Frisch also contributes to County Fair, a media blog featuring links to progressive media criticism from around the Web as well as original commentary. You can follow him on Twitter and Facebook or sign up to receive his columns by email.

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    • Author by the Grey Path (July 01, 2009 9:30 pm ET)
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      Boortz got his 2010 census form already? Damn those ACORN people are efficient.
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (July 02, 2009 1:37 am ET)
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        Right, that's the first thing I caught-- it's a total lie, because constitutionally, they can't go out until next year. Right now they are just compiling addresses.

        These guys-- they just don't care, eh?
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (July 02, 2009 1:42 am ET)
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          "While Clyne did let readers know that answering the census is mandatory, she went on to write, "The good news is that I called the help number on my form and a Census representative finally conceded that the government was unlikely to pursue punishment if I didn't respond, saying it would be 'a waste of time and money.' ""

          Again, when was this? The 2010 Census doesn't go out until NEXT YEAR! So, what questions are they talking about? They're lying, obviously, about these forms they say they are receiving.

          Olbermann-- where are you on this?? -- these guys are lying!!
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      • Author by shaggles (July 02, 2009 11:53 am ET)
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        That's what I was thinking too.
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      • Author by Parth (July 02, 2009 6:22 pm ET)
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        I've gotten mine. 1 in 40 households gets the long, nosy version of the form, and I seem to have drawn that straw. In fact, I received it about a month ago.

        So no, it's not just compiling addresses. There is active census-taking going on.
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        • Author by cpinva (July 04, 2009 12:33 am ET)
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          that isn't the census form, it's another form entirely. as noted by others, the official start date of the census isn't until next year, 2010. that's when the official census forms will be sent to every household.

          i would urge all conservatives to NOT complete their census form. the results are used, among other things, to allocate congressional house seats among the states, based on population. the lower the population, per the census, in the "red" states, the fewer members of the house of representatives those states have.

          works for me!
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    • Author by mk3872 (July 01, 2009 9:36 pm ET)
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      Karl! SHHHHHH! The fewer right wing nuts we count in the next census the better!
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      • Author by harley (July 02, 2009 9:27 am ET)
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        Yup. Exactly. Then the Democrats have justification to redraw Congressional districts to further ensure a Democratic Majority. Great plan, teabaggers! Thanks!
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    • Author by vwcat (July 01, 2009 9:40 pm ET)
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      This is what I keep thinking when the subject of the census and the right come up.
      How it will effect them if they refuse to participate.
      Do these numbskulls even know how it will effect their districts and how it will cut services?
      Do they even possess any common sense???
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    • Author by seroquel (July 02, 2009 12:43 am ET)
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      I'm hoping they don't answer the census questions. Serve them right if they miss out and lose seats in Congress because of stupidity.
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      • Author by National_Insecurity (July 02, 2009 1:52 am ET)
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        I think we should also suggest they proceed to the next logical conclusion and not register to vote because they don't want those Acorn people to know where they live, right?
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        • Author by shaggles (July 02, 2009 12:05 pm ET)
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          HA! It reminds of Blackadder..."I've got a cunning plan, my lord."
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (July 02, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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            This plan sounds almost as diabolically ingenious as Boss Hogg's OPeration Chaos® that prevented Obama from being elected.

            Freaking paranoid ignorant cult, that's who's working the pedals on the GOP crazymobile these days. I couldn't be happier about it.
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    • Author by steve52 (July 02, 2009 12:59 am ET)
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      Noooooo!! Teh stoopid, it burns!!!!!

      What is wrong with these people?
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    • Author by sgrs (July 02, 2009 1:01 am ET)
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      For the first time, I am thrilled at what the right wing media are doing. In the past, their scare tactics often victimized people who were in no way involved with right wing politics. At last, these tactics are likely to have a negative impact on their own followers. As was pointed out by Keith Olbermann, if Minnesota loses a seat in the House of Representatives, it is very possible that it will be the one held by Rep. Michele Bachmann. Since I am convinced she is either too crazy or too stupid to hold national office, I would be happy to see her go, especially if she were hoisted on her own petard.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 02, 2009 1:37 pm ET)
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        OK, you make a good argument. I personally think our country is better served if all people understand basic civics, but if we can get rid of Michelle Bachman - I am all for it. You've convinced me. Anyway we can get rid of Steve King up here in Iowa? Surely there is job for a ditch digger somewhere that he can take.
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    • Author by d4bard (July 02, 2009 2:18 am ET)
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      Kind of reminds me of the Internet meme about the administrator that banhammered himself. That's right, I just compared the right to ChanTalk.
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    • Author by Kevin © (July 02, 2009 3:14 am ET)
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      Little does the Right know .... they are falling into our trap by not filling out the Census .... we will be able to round them all up and send them to "Marijuana Buttsex Island" for re-education.

      http://samsedershow.com/node/1836

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      • Author by neon desert (July 02, 2009 2:42 pm ET)
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        That's what the Right WANTS you to think. But beneath the surface, the Right is actually swelling their ranks by becoming a welcoming refuge for the lazy and illiterate, soon to regain power!!!

        MMmwahhhhahahahahaaaa!!!!
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    • Author by bunnyr (July 02, 2009 6:26 am ET)
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      Wow, this is a thought process that I first encountered from a book published in 1971-1972 called "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" by Gary Allen, etc. It is hard to believe that this NDCC census theory (straight from the John Birch Society) is being taken seriously nearly forty years later! There are still believers in this book, except that it will be difficult to prove nowadays that 1984 is actual and soon coming!
      Some wording has changed ("Insiders" is now "The Elite" for instance), but the conspiracy rhetoric hasn't. Since Republicans seem to basically have joined this paranoid crowd (as seen by their refusal to take a Census), I think we can now safely say that they are now the Party of Paranoia.

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    • Author by Jurgan (July 02, 2009 7:06 am ET)
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      "I hope that she refuses, and I hope that they charge her, and then I hope she takes ... that thing right up to the Supreme Court of the United States and gets this question resolved."

      What question? The census has been in the constitution since 1789. There are some questions about methodology, but there's no question that the census has to be completed.

      "[M]ost of the rest of the information is designed to help the government steal from you in order to pass off your property to the moochers. They're looters."

      Moochers and looters? Well, someone's read up on his Ayn Rand.

      Seeing all this unadulterated nonsense makes me all the more glad that I taught my Statistics class about how the census is performed. Maybe I inoculated a few of them.
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      • Author by jonnyfrag (July 02, 2009 1:17 pm ET)
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        The Constitution allows for a count to be made of how many people live where to determine Congressional Representation, nothing more. The questions of how much you make, what kind of power you use, what time you go to work etc... they are unnecessary and an intrusion of privacy.
        The real rules , unlike being greatly inflated in the media is that if you refuse to answer the census: $100 fine. If you lie on the census: $500 fine. If a pollster uses your information improperly: $5000 fine and possibly jail time. I have seen several media reports saying 'you can be fined up to $5000 and jail time for not answering the census' in an effort to make people scared into that might not want to divulge this information.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 02, 2009 5:59 pm ET)
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          Which actual questions from the census are you afraid of johnny?
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    • Author by Pinhead (July 02, 2009 9:41 am ET)
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      I like Olberman's take on it:

      Bachman is telling people not to answer the census. If just 2,000 people from her district do this, she may lose her seat due to redistricting. I hope people in her district follow her advice.
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      • Author by Conchobhar (July 02, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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        Does anyone else think that Michelle Bachman and Katherine Harris may be
        The Girls from Brazil, the result of a genetic experiment gone incredibly right(wing)?
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    • Author by blueline99 (July 02, 2009 11:15 am ET)
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      What I find funny is that their actions only injure themselves and the reason they choose to do this is that they are starting to believe their own disinformation campaign.

      ACORN taking the Census??? That was a lie intended to further smear the organization and perpetuate the lie about ACORN from the campaign.

      Factcheck.org
      published a good article about this last week.

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    • Author by shaggles (July 02, 2009 11:56 am ET)
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      I think Clynne is giving her readers a bum steer. If large numbers of people refuse to fill out the census the gov will be much more likely to go after them.
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    • Author by diogenie27611 (July 02, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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      This could actually be a really dangerous plan if it were implemented correctly. For example, if the minority party were well organized enough in a blue state (California, for example) Couldn't they not be counted in the census, thus decreasing the state's electoral members and congressional representatives? And then, couldn't they show up and vote anyway?
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    • Author by vonbargen9388 (July 02, 2009 12:04 pm ET)
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      Presumably Boortz et al are talking about the ACS questionnaire. A small percentage of the population receives one of these annually, whereas the actual census is taken every 10 years.
      It would be interesting to see how many of these same people had no problem supporting the bush administrations wiretapping program.
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      • Author by shaggles (July 02, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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        I thought of that too but considering the propensity of his ilk to just make sh!t up I figured it was just as likely a flat out lie.
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    • Author by vttruth (July 02, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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      I am far from being a republican OR a democrat. I find it funny that people even quote shills like Beck. What I find disturbing is that there does not seem to be any comprehension here that the 2 party system has FAILED. Miserably.

      The left/right paradigm needs to be destroyed and for us to move forward.

      There are plenty of people on MSNBC (chris matthews,the morning joe staff esp.willie geist), Fox (beck,bill O), CNN (wolf blitzer)that spew nothing but 1/2 truths and bogus claims. My list here did not include all but just an example.
      Remember Obama promised no tax increases for people making under 250k. Well Cap and Trade and his healthcare policy will prove him to be a liar. Just as W promised that we would not be a nation builder because the world does not like that..well W lied about that..
      SEE! its not the right, the left..they are the same.
      WAKE UP PLEASE!!
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      • Author by puttforever4682 (July 02, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
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        you are not very far from Republican, since you are echoing Sean Hannity.
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        • Author by vttruth (July 03, 2009 11:42 am ET)
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          Who is Sean Hannity? Another shill? I am a Libertarian or Constitutionalist...

          Come on now sheeple..
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 03, 2009 2:01 pm ET)
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            And you never heard of Sean Hannity? Are you a libertarian that lives in a log cabin without electricity?
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    • Author by bilbo_dies (July 02, 2009 12:36 pm ET)
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      Direct from the Government census beureu.

      December 2008 - Local Census Offices begin to open in Maryland
      Spring 2009 - Address canvassing to verify the mailing list for census questionnaires
      Fall 2009 - MDP reviews feedback on address canvassing
      March 2010 - Census forms mailed to households, special populations (nursing homes, correctional institutions, college dormitories
      April 1, 2010 - Census Day
      December 31, 2010 - Apportionment counts for Congressional seats by State delivered to the President
      April 1, 2011 -- Redistricting data delivered to the states for redrawing Congressional & Legislative districts


      Oh My Gosh. I don't see anywhere in there where they have already mailed any census forms. Although, they are in the process of verifying addresses. That must be what they are talking about.

      Geez, must be "much todo about nothing".
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    • Author by jimletchworth8707 (July 02, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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      I think we have given these dittoheads too much credit for brains in the past. They propose to be the ones who can make the trains run on time. But then, one bright, articulate leader comes along, takes their talking points away, and they act like a rabid dog - foaming at the mouth and ripping away at themselves and anything else that moves.
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    • Author by Bigjohn73 (July 02, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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      During Voter Registration drives, ACORN - using money obtained from its 501(c)(3) Project Vote -would use the voter registration cards after attaching propaganda designed to increase membership. ACORN would sign up voters as provisional members and then contact them using information gleaned from the cards to turn the voter into a dues paying member. Data entry of voter information was handled at 34 cents a card after they were shipped to the Brooklyn ACORN office. According to internal documents ACORN had a strategic plan to build is membership off of voter registration drives paid for by donations and government funds

      Of coarse we have nothing to fear... I mean our info is protected... Right.... at .37 per card maybe to DNC would like the info or... maybe they should get a discount.....after all they fund Acorn with our money ....



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      • Author by blueline99 (July 02, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
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        Stop it with the ACORN crap... ACORN has nothing to do with the Census... it's all a big lie being perpetuated by the right!!!

        Factcheck.org has debunked that Lie...

        ACORN is one of over 100,000 groups that will be helping to bring awareness of the upcoming Census. In the 2000 Census there were an estimated 146,000 groups.

        And Bachmann is flat wrong about ACORN going door-to-door and gathering data. Being "partners" with the Census Bureau doesn't entail as close a relationship as one might think. For the most part it involves getting the word out that it's important for everyone to participate in the decennial event that helps determine where federal money goes and how House of Representatives district boundaries are redrawn.

        Here is a quote from Republican Senator Locke: Locke, April 23, 2009: [T]he Census will not be hiring anyone from ACORN. We use these so-called partners to get the word out and to spread the word about the need for people to respond and answer the questionnaires. ...We control the hiring. We do not use any government funds to subcontract with any organization to do any activity. ...We are not delegating anything to ACORN.
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    • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 02, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
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      This would probably be a good time to pick up Richard Dreyfuss's pet project of re-instituting civics classes in all public schools. How stupid can a people become about their own government and how it works before the government no longer works at all?

      To base an entire major political party on anti-government and anti-intellectualism is simply amazing. How do these people (Beck, Limbaugh, etc.) not see the harm they are doing to their own country and its people by spreading this pure ignorance?
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      • Author by knowhelpnow (July 04, 2009 9:44 am ET)
           
        The people don't care, we went 8 years of Bush 2 taking our rights away and you didn't have the media questioning these actions and the people just went along with all of it well most of them.
        What happened to "Give me Liberty or give me death" we need everyone to call or write President Obama and Congress and tell him to return our rights, it is hard to give up power once they have it and I'm wondering if we will ever get out rights back. How could Congress just let this happen? Why did they not stop it, the executive branch was taking the power of Congress and giving it to the executive branch and Congress said nothing.
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    • Author by elmerrn (July 02, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
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      I would guess that the census questions are not developed in a short time frame. As with anything with the government, it would take time to develop the questionaire, review, modify and finalize.

      Would it be reasonable to suggest that work on the questionaire began some time ago? Such as during the previous administration?

      Would this then make the evil questions a part of an evil republican plot?

      Also, I thought I'd read that ACORN was not going to participate in taking the census this time.
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    • Author by elmerrn (July 02, 2009 2:40 pm ET)
         
      I would guess that the census questions are not developed in a short time frame. As with anything with the government, it would take time to develop the questionaire, review, modify and finalize.

      Would it be reasonable to suggest that work on the questionaire began some time ago? Such as during the previous administration?

      Would this then make the evil questions a part of an evil republican plot?

      Also, I thought I'd read that ACORN was not going to participate in taking the census this time.
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    • Author by Quaektem (July 02, 2009 4:37 pm ET)
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      "A sentiment apparently shared by former Bush administration speechwriter Meghan Clyne. She recently wrote that the census questions "forc[e] Americans to disclose sensitive information about their finances, health and lifestyles." While Clyne did let readers know that answering the census is mandatory, she went on to write, "The good news is that I called the help number on my form"

      Do the 5 seconds of research it took me to find http://2010.census.gov/2010census/pd..._Info_Copy.pdf... yes, that's right folks an actual 2010 Census Form in PDF form. Even had a help-line number and everything!

      And for Neil Boortz.. Here is the 2008 Business and Professional Classification Reort: http://javascript:loadNew('http:...f&bId=46')

      And here is a site referenceing the 2009 Economic Census for Business Frame: http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/e...009/gaiyou.htm

      It is simply AMAZING what hoops leftists will go through to push their agenda. 5 minutes... 5 MINUTES to find out this info off Google and does Media Matters bother to do this? Nope.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 02, 2009 6:04 pm ET)
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        What exactly are you trying to say? Are you saying that these people all went online to get these forms? And what does any of this have to do with not participating in the census. You do realize that this was the entire point of the Media Matters article that you are apparently attempting to "debunk"? You do realize this....right?

        "It is simply AMAZING what hoops leftists will go through to push their agenda. 5 minutes... 5 MINUTES to find out this info off Google and does Media Matters bother to do this? Nope."

        Find what info and do what?
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    • Author by steeve (July 02, 2009 6:44 pm ET)
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      I've never heard a motive offered for why liberals are controlling everybody. If they wanted money, you'd think they'd suck up to big corporations instead.
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    • Author by Eric_Arthur_Blair (July 02, 2009 9:44 pm ET)
         
      I worked the 2000 census, transcribing data from forms into computer databases. Reprimands from the supervisors rained down on us whenever we shared a laugh over some completely ridiculous answer. The thing is - once all that data goes into machine-readable form, something that's been SOP at the census for 119 years - the name and address is disconnected from the other, more personal information. It's consolidated by census tract, a division that includes hundreds of homes. I personally transcribed thousands of forms both short and long, and only remember one detail from any of them: a Chicago resident described his job as "city police officer" and his duties as "to protect and to serve" (as opposed to "taking bribes").
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    • Author by neoann94537 (July 03, 2009 3:12 am ET)
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      I hope they are not counting on the idea that people will really refuse to answer. I worked the 2000 Census and can tell you that you only get to see a person when you do not respond to the original mailing... or respond in a manner that makes the computer go "huh?". Perhaps the goal is to make more enumerators hit the streets, greatly increasing the cost of the Census. Then they can rant about "more government expenses".Nooo... that is giving them more credit than they deserve. School funds and all those State allocations are also determined by the numbers collected by Census, so the argument that "State and Local are okay, but not Federal" really falls flat.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 03, 2009 2:06 pm ET)
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        It is truly bizarre. And we are clearly dealing with a bizarre Republican party at this point. They seem to think they have found a winning strategy by defending torture, promoting secession, calling their opponents the DemocRAT party and now not taking part in the census.

        As a recovered Republican who is now an independent it is truly remarkable to watch. It goes back and forth between scary and sad to annoying and anger.

        Once again, where are the adults in this party? What do we think the US government is up to by conducting the census? We were fine with illegal wiretaps and indefinite detention, but we draw the line at the frickin' CENSUS?! Where does this party go next? Part of me is angry and scared to see where it goes, but I have to admit there is a part of me that is dying to see where the crazies go from here to one-up their madness.
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    • Author by Tbone Slickens (July 03, 2009 5:06 pm ET)
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      Well the super secret plan is revealed. Palin is stepping down from politics. She was finally hounded out and had enough it looks like. Time to find another pinata.
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      • Author by solon (July 04, 2009 4:00 am ET)
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        Yeah, because she is going to disappear into the Alaskan tundra. The woman is dumb as a post with an ego as big as her state. She wants to run for president. I hope she does. I love to laugh at Bimbostien.
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        • Author by Tbone Slickens (July 04, 2009 6:57 am ET)
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          I was never quite comfortable with her, although she is a likable person. I can forgive some of her mistakes as "rookie" in the snakepit of DC though.

          I still cant get past why the left was so intent on taking her out that they made it personal, almost vindictive. I have to believe they feared her on some level. Maybe the way she excited the base.

          If she were smart, she should run for a congressional seat. I don't want to see her make a presidential run. If she thought her personal life was a glass house now then...

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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 04, 2009 1:19 pm ET)
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            Yeah, poor Palin. She had to get out of politics because Letterman made a joke about her son...er, no he made a joke about her single-mother daughter. Who made a joke about her son? Who attacked her son? Why did she get out? What the hell is really going on with Palin? I can't tell you exactly why she is quitting but I can tell you if you believe that she is quitting because someone made attacks on her family you are a fool.

            Clearly, there is something more under the surface here than what we have been told so far. I really could not care less what it is, but it is time for all you right-wingers to make a mea culpa and admit that it would have been a mistake to have elected her vice-president. She was obviously not up to the job.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 04, 2009 2:47 pm ET)
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              She has not been hiking the Appalachian trail has she?
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    • Author by skiploader1111 (July 04, 2009 1:27 am ET)
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      Amazing. They are against counting people, but it's OK to have warrantless wiretaps.
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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (July 04, 2009 7:10 am ET)
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        Why yes it IS OK for warrantless wiretaps in the OBAMA Administration! Barry has EXPANDED the W Wiretap measures!

        Obama doesn't move to kill WWTaps

        More on the Expansion

        Keith Olby tells you ALL about it!

        So now will we have ANY admittance that the WWT worked and Pres Bush was right on this or will we have a push now to go after Obama like they went after Bush on this forum? I have noticed as I present the facts to folks that aren't paying attention to this, that this little topic has quietly tucked its tail between its legs and crawled under the porch!
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 04, 2009 1:24 pm ET)
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          I have no problem saying Obama is exactly wrong with the illegal wiretaps. The left does not operate as the right does. They do not ALL support someone or something because a fat radio host tells them to.

          I think if you read any progressive or liberal sites you will see that Obama is being attacked very strongly from the left. On gays in the military, on secrecy, and on supporting some of the most egregious of Bush's newly created executive powers.

          This is why you do not let any president at any time create new powers for himself. Because they will never relinquish it. This is the mess that has been made by the man you elected twice. And shame on Obama for continuing it. It is truly un-American. So, you are now supporting Obama? Or are you just a partisan hack?
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