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Media Matters: Limbaugh's Off the Wall spin on Michael Jackson's death

July 02, 2009 10:27 pm ET

Mama-Say-Mama-Saw-Mama-Would have to hear it to believe it. This one doesn't really need much of a setup.

While fans the world over mourn the passing of the King of Pop, the King of Talk, Rush Limbaugh, put the death of Michael Jackson this way: He "flourished under Reagan," "languished under Clinton/Bush, and died under Obama." Over on MSNBC, both David Shuster and Chuck Todd poked Limbaugh for his unsavory take on the tragedy, with Todd quipping, "It's always Reagan, right?"

Meanwhile, El Rushbo's pals over at Fox News knew exactly how to interpret the wall-to-wall coverage of Jackson's death. An actual Fox News chyron alleged a "cover-up" because the media were devoting more coverage to Jackson than cap-and-trade legislation. Lord, the fun one could have using this very rationale to pick apart the stories Fox chooses to cover. I guess when you're a hammer, everything is a ... wild conspiracy designed to frighten your audience and fan the flames of their paranoia.

Other major stories this week:

Ricci-ing for the absurd

Several weeks ago, conservatives took a first run at undermining the nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor. But their everything-and-the-kitchen-sink attack plan -- charging that she is an unqualified, Marxist, radical activist and a reverse racist/normal racist who is also, interestingly, far too empathetic to be on the Supreme Court -- fell flat under the weight of serious examination.

This week, however, offered another opportunity for media conservatives to revisit their central criticism: that Sotomayor's "wise Latina woman" comment was a window into the prejudicial soul of the judge who ruled against hard-working white firefighters (and a Hispanic firefighter) simply because they weren't black.

First, the facts. On Tuesday, ABC's Bob Woodruff misstated the crux of the case, reporting that Ricci v. DeStefano involved firefighters "passed over for promotion in favor of less qualified black candidates." In fact, no one was promoted over anyone else. Rather, the results of a test to determine which members of the New Haven Fire Department could receive promotions were thrown out because city officials were unhappy with a racial disparity in the results and stated they feared being sued for racial discrimination. In the decision that Sotomayor joined denying en banc rehearing of the appeal of the district court's decision, Judge Barrington Parker -- a George W. Bush appointee -- wrote that "the City acted out of a concern that certifying the exam results would have an adverse impact on minority candidates" -- a view that fit cleanly within previous Supreme Court precedent. That decision was overturned by the 5-4 vote of the Supreme Court on Monday.

Instead of looking at the legal merits of the case, conservatives have drawn the conclusion that Sotomayor was actively seeking to promote African-American firefighters at the expense of everyone else. The Washington Times opined that the case showed how, "[i]n Judge Sotomayor's America, people are judged by the color of their skin, not the content of their character." Investor's Business Daily chimed in as well: "The Supreme Court's overturning of high-court nominee Sonia Sotomayor's ruling in the New Haven firefighter case exposes what lies at the core of her misguided philosophy: stark racial favoritism."

Of course, Limbaugh, who has accused Sotomayor of racism on numerous occasions since her nomination was announced, was the most vocal: "Sonia Sotomayor was following her basic instinct: She is racist."

Most judges nominated by Democrats are accused by the right of being radicals, and Sotomayor is no different -- numerous efforts were made this week to portray the court's reversal of Ricci as proof of Sotomayor's inherent radicalism. But the fact of the matter is, four Supreme Court justices, including Justice David Souter, whom Sotomayor was nominated to replace, agreed with her -- a fact that conservatives have done their best to cover up.

A number of media conservatives subsequently claimed that the court had unanimously rejected Sotomayor's reasoning. Ed Whelan (who can't use The Google) and Kathryn Lopez of National Review Online started the trend ("9-0 Against Sotomayor"), followed quickly by Fox News' Laura Ingraham and Rush. Ingraham's Fox News colleague Sean Hannity wasn't far behind. In fact, while Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote in her dissent that "[o]rdinarily, a remand for fresh consideration would be in order" and that "I would not oppose a remand for further proceedings fair to both sides," she concluded, consistent with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decision, which Sotomayor joined: "[W]hat this case does not present is race-based discrimination in violation of Title VII."

Furthermore, an article in Politico promoted the myth that a Supreme Court reversal is unusual, even though the court has reversed more than 60 percent of the federal appeals court cases it considered each year since 2004. In doing so, Politico was following The Washington Times, which had already argued that such an outcome would be an "extraordinary rebuke" of Sotomayor. It should come as no surprise, then, that Fox's Alexis Glick impartially described the ruling as "a major slap" to Sotomayor. And for MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, the whole episode showed that it isn't just Sotomayor who is out of touch: nearly half of the Supreme Court is, too.

When the AP and The New York Times failed to note false statements by Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions, they revealed just how far-reaching the problematic reporting on Sotomayor has become. It's clear that plenty of work needs to be done to ensure that she will have a fair hearing when she finally comes before the Senate. At least Jonathan Capehart is bringing some rationality to the discussion.

Franken victory sparks conservative media panic-fest

This week, the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled unanimously that Al Franken be officially certified as the winner of last fall's U.S. Senate election in the state. Shortly after the decision came down, former Sen. Norm Coleman conceded defeat, making it clear he wouldn't launch additional legal efforts to stop Franken from being seated.

Conservatives in the media were beside themselves. Franken, after all, made a handsome living sparring with the likes of Fox News, Limbaugh, and, perhaps most notably, Bill O'Reilly (still must see TV after all these years.)

Fox & Friends co-host Brian Kilmeade -- or "brown-haired guy who isn't Steve Doocy," as Stephen Colbert would say -- epitomized the conservative media's response to the official Franken victory. First, he was "in denial," describing Franken as someone who "is barely sane." Then he confessed that "it hurt" to call Franken "a senator from Minnesota" and wondered about "who's safe now." He wasn't done quite yet -- he would go on to call Franken an "embarrassment," "hateful," "maniacal," "angry, evil," and a "bitter partisan."

Kilmeade was hardly alone at Fox. It seems the entire network was "in denial." Saying a lot more about himself than Franken, Glenn Beck said, "This is like having me in the Senate. ... [I]t shows that we've lost our minds."

Limbaugh wasn't too happy with Franken's win, either. He compared the Iranian recount to the Minnesota Senate recount and called Franken a "genuine lunatic" to boot. Clear Channel's Jim Quinn shared Rush's assessment, saying Franken had "stolen" the election while pegging ACORN as a likely culprit. Is there anything media conservatives won't blame on ACORN?

Proving once again that the real joke during this hyper-extended campaign was not the fact that a former comedian might win, but the way the media covered the long legal battle, Politico's Mike Allen claimed Franken prevailed because "[h]e shut his mouth, and when you are Al Franken, that's not easy to do," while MSNBC's Mike Barnicle said that it was "kind of a surprise" that Franken "behaved like a responsible adult."

The global warming whistleblower who wasn't

It's hard to believe, but some conservatives aren't convinced that global warming is real. In fact, some of them think it's a left-wing, anti-American conspiracy, nothing more than propaganda pushed by the liberal media and traitorous members of Congress, all in the hope of turning you into eco-slaves. Scared yet? So is Fox News' Dick Morris, who, when it comes to this issue, is apparently one-third sane.

It's no wonder, then, that the conservative media sighs with relief when somebody wakes up and tells the truth! Someone honest and courageous. Someone like Alan Carlin, a "legendary" EPA official and co-author of an internal document disproving global warming -- a document that the agency then "suppressed," presumably stomping on it with a Birkenstock.

According to the EPA's own records, Carlin is an economist, not a climate scientist -- something Fox's Steve Doocy and Gretchen Carlson ignored when they hosted him on Wednesday to discuss his work. Furthermore, the report he authored made a false and deceptive claim: that global temperatures "have declined for 11 years," a reality he said the EPA ignored. Fox News duly reported it as gospel, as did CBSNews.com, without context or correction.

In fact, the EPA did review Carlin's work and decided it was flawed. No wonder, as Gavin Schmidt, a climate modeler at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, described it as possessing "a number of basic flaws" and demonstrating a "complete lack of appreciation of the importance of natural variability on short time scales."

But who is a scientist like Schmidt to criticize someone who ... isn't a scientist? I mean, how about a little respect? Heck, even a reputable publication like The Washington Times says the earth is getting cooler. Let's not lose our heads here.

This week's media columns

This week's media columns from the Media Matters senior fellows: Eric Boehlert explains how ABC News debunked the Obama "honeymoon" myth; Jamison Foser looks at Howard Kurtz's wasted opportunity; and Karl Frisch lets us in on the right's super-secret 2010 census plan to end all plans.

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Don't forget to order your autographed copy of Eric Boehlert's compelling new book, Bloggers on the Bus: How the Internet Changed Politics and the Press (Free Press, May 2009).

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This weekly wrap-up was compiled by Karl Frisch, a senior fellow at Media Matters. Frisch also contributes to County Fair, a media blog featuring links to progressive media criticism from around the Web as well as original commentary.

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    • Author by the7sticks3363 (July 03, 2009 12:28 am ET)
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      It's not enough that these vultures on the network and cable news programs, as well as the paparazzi websites, have to harass the poor man in death. Now the talk show hosts have to score cheap political shots behind his cold, dead back. Why can't we leave the poor man and his family in peace for a change?
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (July 03, 2009 1:11 am ET)
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        Yes,
        The corporate cable channels always have a built-in antenna for RATINGS FIRST.

        Must get the ratings when opportunity knocks. Must get the ratings to keep an audience. Must get the ratings so we can pay the bills, so we can present a little "real" news.

        Must get the ratings...
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        • Author by steeve (July 03, 2009 7:39 am ET)
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          Since the media is dying, I can afford to rationalize for them for just one day. (Then it's back to the bashing.)

          Suppose the media prevents a brilliant fact-based work on health care, plus some Jackson news on the same night. What are you talking about at work the next day? Jackson, because health care talk will lead to hot tempers.

          Now suppose that you're just living your life day to day and are not that into policy details. Which news channel are you watching? The one with the Jackson news, so that you can participate in next day's conversations.

          I'm all in favor of the media covering trivia non-stop. When they cover important subjects they're a force of evil. When they cover trivia they're a force of emptiness.
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    • Author by carlileb5935 (July 03, 2009 4:00 am ET)
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      presumably stomping on it with a Birkenstock...

      I like that. Corny, but funny.
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    • Author by steeve (July 03, 2009 7:29 am ET)
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      What's bizarre about the Ricci coverage is that it wasn't a real reversal, it was a Bush v Gore party line reversal. Even if reversals were extremely rare, nobody awake would take this one seriously.
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    • Author by alanrobinson (July 03, 2009 9:51 am ET)
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      It appears to me your being as non objective most main stream media with your accusation some are hammers fear mongering. This article is non objective, which the single use of one word you picked gives away, everything!! You may as well curse and fume, as use the word everyone. (lazy) There are far more news sources without objectivity than there are. Its crap and it sticks out! I've only just subscribed to you guys, thought I MIGHT find objectivity, so far I am wrong.... GET IT! GET IT??

      Well I will be.... Holy crap! Your next article is even less objective, but takes the tactict of elitism to obsfucate the facts of the supreme courts rule against Sotomayor's rule.
      I thought Media matters would actually pursue its goal of balanced news as an objective, you guys are frigging twisted, just another elitist obfuscation stirring the pot same frigging direction as main stream media. Wake up! even a child knows bad people when meeting them. It appears I have met just another BS artist who is bad.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 03, 2009 12:00 pm ET)
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        Pardon me?
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        • Author by wookie (July 03, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
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          I think the RNC pays him $50 for each use of the words elitist and obfuscate.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (July 03, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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        Huh!?!
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      • Author by shaggles (July 03, 2009 1:46 pm ET)
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        Good one. That was like a Grampa Simpson rant.
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 03, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
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          That is one for the Hall of fame.

          Once in a while, I hear a caller to right wing radio bragging that in their real life discussions or at web site forums, the liberals can't refute any of their points.( This goes with the dittohead theme that The Left can't compete in the arena of ideas).

          I also see it at this site. The wingnuts who imagine some sort of victory when nobody offers a reasonable response to their comments.

          This may be a classic example of that. I have to admit, I can't argue with anything in Mr. Robinson's entire post.Maybe if there was a complete sentence or a coherent thought in there somewhere, I could try. But as it is, it's untouchable.
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          • Author by Old_Benjamin (July 03, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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            The wingnuts who imagine some sort of victory when nobody offers a reasonable response to their comments. - serialchickenkiller

            What was the terperature of the world in 2008!!!???
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            • Author by Old_Benjamin (July 03, 2009 4:25 pm ET)
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              Ahem, I mean

              What was the temperature of the world in 2008!!!???
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              • Author by mary59 (July 03, 2009 4:47 pm ET)
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                Aha, you must be on to Wesley and his shtick. ;-)

                This Alan Robinson must be an ESL student or so excited to be talking to liberals that his jaw dropped open, and words crawled out.
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                • Author by shaggles (July 03, 2009 4:56 pm ET)
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                  There have been some interesting new posters this week with some interesting stories. I sometimes wonder if their all in a call center in India being paid $3 a day to post rightwing talking points on liberal boards. But I doubt it. There seem to be plenty of folks who are more than happy to do that for free.
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                • Author by Old_Benjamin (July 03, 2009 5:25 pm ET)
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                  Well I was tryin' to poke fun at all Wes' blathering from the GW thread, but making a spelling error lessens the impact.
                  Thanks for hanging in!

                  And as for old Al, it hurts my head to try and read his post, but I noticed he seems to be looking for un-biased news reporting on a Media watchdog site. I would suggest Mr. Robinson take his own advice and eschew obfuscation;}
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                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 03, 2009 6:37 pm ET)
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                    Well I was tryin' to poke fun at all Wes' blathering from the GW thread, but making a spelling error lessens the impact.
                    Actually, it makes the post look more like one of Wesley's.
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 03, 2009 11:58 pm ET)
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              Har! Hi Ol'Ben, I didn't know what you were talking about at first, but I checked out that thread. Hilarious!

              When the wingnuts have convinced themselves they have a winner of a "gotcha", they're like pit bulls. They won't let go of that thing even long after it's dead.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 03, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
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        "GET IT! GET IT??"

        I think I speak for everyone when I say, "No."
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 03, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
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        I thought Media matters would actually pursue its goal of balanced news as an objective
        Yet another wingnut fool unable to read or understand MMfA's mission statement.
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      • Author by thelittlethings (July 03, 2009 9:35 pm ET)
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        Was that English?
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    • Author by proudconservative (July 03, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
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      This is hysterical.

      Rush has often said that mainstream media depend on him for their programming ideas. They need him to get attention for their drivel. Again he was proved correct and now media matters (for very little) has done just that,as well.

      Look at the title of Frisch's latest blather......It makes it seem as if this is all about Rush. But in fact, he is discussed in only the first paragraph. The funny thing is that Frisch, who probably didn't listen to Rush make his comments about Jacko, got that part of his article wrong too. Rush's whole purpose was to follow up how the liberal,ie mainstream media misinterpreted his comments about Sanford and demonstrate their misplaced hope that they would shine brighter than Rush and the ideals of conservatism that he expounds upon. He knows that including his name in the titles and sometimes comments in their stories or show, they will get someone to pay attention to them too.

      He did it again, mocking the synapic deficits of liberals and Frisch has proven how obtuse most leftist/liberal/progressive/members of the democrat party are.

      Kudos mm(fvl)
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      • Author by proudconservative (July 03, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
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        Here's the link:

        http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_070209/content/01125110.guest.html
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 03, 2009 2:08 pm ET)
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          You've been visiting this site for a few years, haven't you, Proudcon? It's amazing that you still don't seem to understand it. How many hours of Boss Hogg's nonsense do you listen to in a week that you're this confused?
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          • Author by proudconservative (July 03, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
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            Splain it me then oh wise one.....
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 03, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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              Everything??? I'll just wish you good luck.
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              • Author by proudconservative (July 03, 2009 2:23 pm ET)
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                Just give me a bit of your wisdom please, What don't I understand, just one speck of your intellect please?

                I await the opportunity for a topical debate.....
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                • Author by proudconservative (July 03, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
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                  Awaiting at the feet of the learned for a crumb of knowledge still...........................
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                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 03, 2009 6:45 pm ET)
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                    it is impossible to explain to a Conservative that which he can't understand when his entire worldview depends upon his lack of understanding.
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                    • Author by proudconservative (July 03, 2009 7:48 pm ET)
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                      I think the kernal tried that tack above, so please how about a debate please!

                      What have I missed?
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                      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 03, 2009 8:24 pm ET)
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                        Settle down, Proudcon--

                        First things first; My work here as your volunteer tutor is just that, volunteer work. I'll take a break when I get bored or have other things to do.

                        I did wish you luck earlier, hoping you'd try to work this out on your own, but it looks like you want me to give you a fish. I've had a few hours to take a refreshing dip in the pacific, eat some carne asada off the BBQ and admire half-nekkid young women, so I'm feeling like I can give you a little more time now.

                        The reason I don't bother getting into discussions with you (and I assume others have the same reason) is NOT because you're a conservative, or have "different opinions".

                        It's because your first post above shows that you are mesmerized enough by Boss Hogg's ridiculous fantasies that you don't mind stating them as fact here. MOst people who have been posting here for a while know that anybody that far gone is probably not going to give them any sort of satisfying discussion.

                        Notice that you never explained how this MMFA item or the other media "got Rush wrong", you just repeated it because he told you that's what happened. There's a good starting point for you.
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                        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 03, 2009 8:36 pm ET)
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                          OK, I'm in a generous mood. I realize you're piling on long posts of meaningless gibberish, hoping nobody wants to address it all, so I'll just take the first short paragraph of your first post;

                          Rush has often said that mainstream media depend on him for their programming ideas.

                          The mainstream media covers a lot of lightweight stuff; Bears in trees, bank robbers who leave their wallets at the scene, and clowns like Rush. Those funny video shows depend on guys falling drunk into Xmas trees and getting hit in the nuts with baseballs.

                          They need him to get attention for their drivel.

                          No, they use him, along with many other obliging pinheads to provide laughs.I don't see Rush mentioned very often in the mainstream news I see, aside from Fox, a station that is incompetent enough to cite him as a reliable source.

                          Again he was proved correct and now media matters (for very little) has done just that,as well.

                          This sentence is a little confusing grammatically, but I think you're trying to say Rush was proved correct about something, and MMFA has proved him correct. Again, you've never provided any facts to explain what Rush was correct about, or what anybody else was incorrect about except what Rush told you he was correct about.

                          Are you starting to understand this? You're like a religious fanatic trying to argue using your holy book as supporting evidence. Rush's opinion about reality may be gospel to you, but it's smoke and mirrors to the rest of us in the reality based universe.
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                          • Author by proudconservative (July 03, 2009 9:30 pm ET)
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                            Thanks for putting down the viagra at the BBQ long enough to respond.

                            Problem is, Frisch's headline was like so much of the media's approach. It's never about substance. Frisch made this weeks offering look like it was about Limbaugh. Titles and words mean something or they should. Instead the posting was a typical collection of rantings.

                            What Rush continues to do is show how little work the liberal/progressive mainstream media types actually do.

                            Just like in Frisch's froth, (Hey maybe that's what he could call his blog!), the left never looks into anything for depth, whether diverse opinions or information. Rather let the template do its work, ie Rush's is insensitive and out of step with knowledgeable elites like us, his comments seem insensitive to us, therefor, this must be exactly as he stated.

                            No attempt to understand the point or how it relates to their workmanship and approach to journalism.

                            In your universe, you all believe fact that Rush was wrong in some way. Case closed, fini. But in fact it shows how little reasoning goes into the statements that today's liberals make. It's too hard to work through a thought when we can just coast like others with similar preconceptions have shown before.
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                            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 03, 2009 11:10 pm ET)
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                              PC, you still haven't shown how anybody got Rush wrong. You're typing a lot, but not ever getting to the very foundation of everything that you've said. Have you missed my point completely?

                              You're stating Rush's opinions as if they're facts. They are only facts to the disciples of Rush. To everybody else, they're sh&t.

                              But the BBQ/ Viagra line made me lol, I'll give you that.
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                      • Author by solon (July 04, 2009 2:55 am ET)
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                        Your brainpan? Critical thinking skills? A functioning cerebral cortex? A comprehension level above that of tile grout?
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                      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 05, 2009 12:05 pm ET)
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                        What have I missed?
                        Besides the spelling of "Colonel" or "kernel" or whatever the hell point you were trying to obscure?

                        To put it bluntly, you've missed everything.
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                • Author by wallypipp (July 04, 2009 7:23 pm ET)
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                  PC said: "I await the opportunity for a topical debate. . . . ."

                  No offense, but what you have calls for something more along the lines of a topical ointment, if you get my drift.

                  I'm just saying.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 03, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
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        "Rush's whole purpose was to follow up how the liberal,ie mainstream media misinterpreted his comments about Sanford and demonstrate their misplaced hope that they would shine brighter than Rush and the ideals of conservatism that he expounds upon."

        What does this have to do with his statement about Michael Jackson flourishing under Reagan? You're saying that Rush doesn't really mean what he says and is just a character that he plays on the radio and that he will say anything to get attention from the "liberal" media? And this is a defense of him??
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        • Author by proudconservative (July 03, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
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          His statements were intended to draw response from the liberal media that only hears what they want to and make that their points.

          He knew that the leftist/progressive/liberal mainstream media would not dig at all to find out what his statements about Jackson were about, in other words do journalism. He had done the same thing with Sanford and his JFK comments.

          It was to spoof media and he showed again how easy it is. Leftists here claim to know what conservatism and socialism are, but in fact they see them as terms but really have never wanted to see the difference beyond the platitudes that they have been taught. For instance, Liberalism today has nothing to do with individual freedom, progressivism does not expouse liberty either. Research and find out they speak now for collectivism and socialism.

          I say I am a conservative and folks here begin to spew hate because they believe me to be for hitler, racism, destroying educational systems, when in fact it jsut the opposite. But that search for knowledge makes people have to look in the mirror,and when they are forced to explain their beliefs, they find that it its easier to namecall rather than debate.

          Rush does this because it shows the reluctance of the left to validate its own positions, debate honestly but deflect with the use of cliched thoughts rather than substance.
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          • Author by IowaProg (July 03, 2009 4:04 pm ET)
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            Wow, I didn't realize Rush was so subtle. I, being a thick-headed, subjective liberal, missed the nuance, so I would like someone such as yourself, who "gets it" to explain it to me. What the hell was he talking about?
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          • Author by mary59 (July 03, 2009 4:54 pm ET)
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            That was one heck of a convoluted defense, but I congratulate you, in that (I think) it's original.
            As far as conservatism goes, very few posters go after someone because they say that they're "conservative." Usually it's because of the tone of disrespect and labeling, and just tired arguments that don't make sense or are completely false.

            And I've not seen anyone espousing ideas that are in any way even close to conservative philosophy for a long, long time.
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            • Author by proudconservative (July 03, 2009 5:58 pm ET)
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              Mary,

              Have you ever seen Salon's, easytorefute's,colsander's posts here? That's their motus operendi!

              Now that the thought czars here at mm(fvl)have deemed me obscenity-free, I will gladly continue to speak truth to progressive power.
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 03, 2009 6:51 pm ET)
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                That's their motus operendi!
                You really shouldn't attempt latin. The correct term is modus operandi.

                And what you claim isn't mine, only when I'm dealing with the ignorant do I feel a need to correct.

                That's why I corrected you.
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                • Author by proudconservative (July 03, 2009 7:37 pm ET)
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                  You just made my point, rather than address the issue, we'll will kick in spell check and just say the opposition is ignorant without stating a position or any position on dthe subject at hand.
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                  • Author by proudconservative (July 03, 2009 7:43 pm ET)
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                    Again, an attempt at debate...

                    What Rush did was to spoof liberal/progressive/mainstream media and demonstrate how little credibility they have. No investigation for what was actually said, the explanation of the sarcasm AHEAD of time and the expectation that the drones on the left would just report without an ounce of investigation. These folks have no interest in what was know as journalism.

                    And he succeeded, Frisch made the point for Rush.

                    Splain to me where I am wrong.
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                  • Author by coldteablues19577325 (July 03, 2009 8:49 pm ET)
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                    Ermmmmmm, I dare say that few posters here had need to kick in the spell check on THAT one. "Modus operendi!" Perhaps utilizing a spell check BEFORE posting would help validate more of the posts ... nah.
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                    • Author by coldteablues19577325 (July 03, 2009 8:50 pm ET)
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                      Oops! Tee hee. That should have been motus operendi.
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                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 05, 2009 4:07 pm ET)
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                    When the only weapon the opposition has is ignorance, my response is to try to alleviate the ignorance. In your case, Humpty, it doesn't usually take, but I try anyway.
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 03, 2009 8:40 pm ET)
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                PC, any examples of people spewing hate just for saying you're a conservative? That may make you feel better, to think that you're on the receiving end of baseless, unwarranted attacks, but do you think it's possible that the responses are about the idiocy of your comments ??

                Or is that too much personal accountability for a wingnut to accept?
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                • Author by proudconservative (July 03, 2009 9:39 pm ET)
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                  Nah, I can take it.

                  Looking above you were willing to engage in debate and I appreciate that.

                  My responses are always speaking truth to progressivism. Its when I do that, that the arrows start to fly. I'm a big boy so I can take the garbage thrown my way because I know I've done my job here.

                  See every one at the Tea Party tomorrow!
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                  • Author by mary59 (July 03, 2009 11:19 pm ET)
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                    yuk yuk. But provide the context for Rush's comments, please. How is there any real facts to debate, when all he's done is spout opinions? Hard to believe, but we think that Rush's opinions are garbage, and his "facts" are pulled out of his nether regions.

                    If you disagree with that, fine. But what facts are you basing your opinion on?
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                    • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 03, 2009 11:52 pm ET)
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                      I don't think it's even registering, Mary. We could point out a hundred times that he's only using garbage, and he'll respond that "My responses are always speaking truth to progressivism."

                      I guess if he says that enough times, he never has to come up with any facts. I should have quit at "good luck".
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                      • Author by mary59 (July 04, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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                        True. He likes attention.
                        But, he seems to be in a semi-reasonable mode right now. I just don't see where there's anything to "debate."

                        He thinks Rush is making a spoof of liberals. But Limbaugh's words are usually negative about someone, and it shows a callowness that I don't find humorous. It's reminiscent of the indifference in which he made fun of Michael J. Fox and Parkinson's disease.

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                  • Author by solon (July 04, 2009 6:52 am ET)
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                    True you have done your job here. I love laughing at people like you. Thanks for the free clown show in case I havent told you recently
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              • Author by solon (July 04, 2009 3:01 am ET)
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                You wouldnt know the truth if it strung you up by the toes and played mariachi on your ribs with chopsticks. You spew delusional fantasies and Limborg talking points farther from reality than Pluto is from the Sun
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              • Author by solon (July 04, 2009 6:50 am ET)
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                You are lying again. You apparantly LIKE to lie and dont even care that you have no real chance of being believed. I have been posting here for YEARS troll. In that time people have seen me not only be reasonable with conservatives but sometimes stick up for them. Sure I can be rude and insult people when THEY are heaping contempt on liberals like you do with pretty much every post you make but that I attack people just because they are conservatives is a LIE. I know you think if you repeat things often enough they magically become true but how do you expect to convince those people who are NOT brainwashed like you are that what they have read for YEARS isnt true just because you say something different. Oh thats right to a wingnut things dont have to make sense they just have to insult a liberal so you just LIE. Good luck with that
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 04, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
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                pc, your persecution complex is showing and it's not very graceful. Play the victim when you don't have an answer - common playbook for the modern-day right wing.

                But, I am more interested that you think Rush is a spoof. So, you think he just plays this character on the radio? Apparently, you think he says outrageous things to get the attention of the "liberal" media which is crazy and does not make sense, but I am willing to consider the possiblity that he is simply playing a character or a spoof. However, this would mean that the joke is on you - not those of us who already think of him as a joke.
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          • Author by solon (July 04, 2009 6:46 am ET)
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            OH MY GOD. You are STILL falling for that totally bogus and stupid defense Rush uses that he is only baiting everyone when he acts like the jerk he is? REALLY? You are REALLY that gullible? I mean I thought only the most brainwashed and simpleminded folk that every existed bought it the firsts time but YOU win the Gold Medal for sheeplike swallowing of the stoopidest defense of all time. YOU are actually so far gone with the hivemind you have taken it to be a be all defense for ANYTHING Rush says. He in your mind, and I use the term mind only in its broadest possible connotation, is incapable of saying anything wrong, churlish, or outlandish which is what he spews regularly. No to YOU he is baiting the press ANYTIME he acts like the moronic jerk he in reality is. I am sure even HE didnt think anyone would be dumb enough to push it that far. I am sure he was just hoping enough of his mindless minions were gullible enough to swallow it for that couple of times he tried it. Everyone with a functioning brain laughed at him the first time but YOU. Wow you are the Golden sheep. You had an epiphany and realized that the guy who does your thinking for you can NEVER be outrageous because he has this one size fits all excuse. You take the cake. You have embarassed everyone of Pavlovs dogs because NONE of them could even DREAM of reaching your level of being programmed
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          • Author by wookie (July 04, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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            This probably isn't worth my time, but whatever. You use the usual warm over McCarthy tactics, "conservatism and socialism" etc. Individual freedom and liberty are terms you like to use because they sound good but you never define them. How do they jibe with the "no right to privacy" line used to regulate people's sex lives or push things like the Patriot Act? Most often "individual freedom" is just a basis to attack group action like labor strikes and protests while favoring a handful of corporate lobbyists and other powerful people. You don't deal in specifics, which makes this line particularly amusing

            >>Rush does this because it shows the reluctance of the left to validate its own positions, debate honestly but deflect with the use of cliched thoughts rather than substance.
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    • Author by catfish1968 (July 03, 2009 5:18 pm ET)
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      If fox news wants the Media to cover Cap-and-trade, they should realize that they are the media -it's their job to cover those types of stories. When they forget to do so, and criticize the media for not covering Cap-and-trade, they are tipping their hat and showing that they are not a real news organization.
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      • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (July 04, 2009 11:53 am ET)
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        No, you see, here's the deal. When Fox says it wants the media to cover cap-and-trade, what it means is that they want the media to scream at the top of their collective lungs (just like Fox does) that cap-and-trade is a devious ploy to turn us all into commies, and if the media doesn't, they're not covering cap-and-trade. Happy to clear that one up...
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    • Author by stanlee18048 (July 03, 2009 9:45 pm ET)
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      It's not about ratings as much as it's about manipulation. Whenever they crack someone over the head, it's almost always government and not big business. They peddled cigarettes to the public for years and they peddle cancer causing chemicals and drugs too. They're funded by every industry that stands in the way of almost every progressive cause. Every time we need to pass some type of legislation that will work for the greater good, one of their greedy sponsors goes right to work trying to kill it. I'm so sick of the corporate media.
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    • Author by night-n-day (July 05, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
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      But didn't Limbaugh's drug addiction become chronic during the Bush years? Now that he's in his Elvis stage - one crap away from dying on the toilet - he needs to jump up and down to keep from falling into a coma. Isn't that the direct result of unfettered conservative policies?

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 05, 2009 4:11 pm ET)
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        No, it's the direct result of unfettered doctor-shopping for Oxycontin.
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