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Mika Brzezinski's "real Americans" elitism

July 10, 2009 3:36 pm ET

Even after landslide victories for the Democrats in the 2008 and 2006 elections (not to mention the fact that a Democrat has won the popular vote in four of the past five presidential elections), MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski still insists that "real Americans" are conservative. Brzezinski says the fact that she is (nominally) progressive and works in New York makes her claim more credible. In fact, it may explain why she is so wrong. She claims to identify elitism, but she actually displays it.

During Monday's Morning Joe -- where, according to Howard Kurtz, Brzezinski provides liberal balance to former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough -- Brzezinski said of Sarah Palin:

BRZEZINSKI: People were coming to those rallies because they agree with her. Look at the polls out there. Look where people stand on life. Look where real Americans think and you will find -- no -- you will find that in the, you know, god I hate to say it, but in the cities where there are a little bit more liberal elite populations, you are not going to find what is representative of America. And there was a lot more to her than fascination.

That comment prompted a great deal of criticism of Brzezinski, which she dismissed on Wednesday: "If you guys don't understand what I'm saying ... please."

The first problem is that Brzezinski apparently doesn't understand what she was saying. Describing rural conservatives who agree with Palin as the "real Americans" quite obviously implies that progressives, city-dwellers, and those who don't care for Palin are not real Americans. That isn't simply a random, inconsequential poor choice of words. For decades, liberals have been smeared and marginalized by conservatives -- and many journalists -- as insufficiently American, insufficiently patriotic, and insufficiently "normal." Whether or not it was her intention, Brzezinski's comment played into longstanding stereotypes that are as inaccurate as they are mean-spirited.

Even if Brzezinski is somehow unaware of that history -- and it's hard to believe someone who hosts a three-hour television show about politics every day could possibly be unaware of it -- she certainly must be able to understand the problem with suggesting that urban liberals are not "real Americans." After all, it's safe to assume she would never dare say that rural evangelical conservatives are not "real Americans."

But Brzezinski repeatedly defended her comments by asserting that Palin's views are shared by many Americans. Of course they are. Nobody doubts that. Brzezinski wasn't criticized for saying many people agree with Palin; she was criticized for saying real Americans agree with Palin -- and thus implying that if you don't agree with Palin, you aren't a real American. Is it even possible that Brzezinski doesn't understand this?

And Brzezinski's justifications for her comments fail on their own terms as well. She suggests the size of Palin's rallies as a vice presidential candidate establish that her supporters are the real Americans. Even if one were to grant the dubious premise that the size of rallies for political candidates determines such things, Palin never drew 80,000 people to a rally like Barack Obama did.

Brzezinski talks about Palin supporters, rather than urban liberals, being "representative of America." If that's the case, why is Joe Biden's smiling face featured on the vice president's web page? Sarah Palin and John McCain lost -- and lost badly. They lost among Americans as a whole, not just among Zabar's-shopping New Yorkers (who, to be clear, are every bit as "American" as Wal-Mart-shopping Kansans.) They lost in Indiana and in North Carolina. Why is this so difficult for Brzezinski to grasp?

Brzezinski ignores actual election results and says we should "look at the polls." OK. Forty-five percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of Palin. Seventy-two percent have a favorable opinion of Obama. Seventy-two is considerably more than 45, so if Brzezinski is looking for someone popular with a "representative" slice of "real America," it isn't Palin.

As further "evidence" for her contention that real Americans agree with Palin, Brzezinski points to a recent Gallup poll that found more Americans describe themselves as pro-life than pro-choice, apparently unaware of the serious flaws with that poll -- flaws that completely discredit the poll's findings. (Don't take my word for it: Pollster.com's Charles Franklin calls the poll an "outlier.") Brzezinski seems to think that poll results must be taken at face value. Most casual observers of politics understand that is not the case; you would think someone whose job is co-hosting a daily television show about politics would, too.

Brzezinski also pointed to (similarly useless) polling about whether people describe themselves as "liberal" or "conservative." Her reliance on such polling about labels shows how badly out of touch she is. Labels like "liberal" and "conservative" just don't mean much to most people, both because most people don't think in terms of political science nomenclature and because the terms have been twisted and distorted by politicians and the media so much that they've lost much of their value. Poll questions asking people to describe themselves as "pro-life" or "pro-choice" are similarly flawed. Who isn't "pro-life"?

So, yes, Brzezinski can find a (badly flawed) Gallup poll that says more Americans self-identify as "pro-life" than "pro-choice." But that poll confuses more than it clarifies. If Brzezinski focused on what people actually think about abortion rather than lazily relying on a flawed poll about labels in order to justify her contention that most Americans agree with Palin, she would find something quite different. Palin thinks abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape. That position is not only out of the mainstream among all Americans, it was convincingly rejected by voters in South Dakota -- one of the most conservative states in the nation -- just three years ago.

And, yes, Brzezinski can point to polls that show that more people self-identify as conservatives than liberals. Does that mean, as Brzezinski suggests, that most people share Palin's views? No. Most people disagree with Palin about gay rights, about health care, about just about every major issue -- often by huge margins. Yes, a plurality describes themselves -- as Palin does -- as "conservative." But relying as Brzezinski does on such labels is lazy, superficial, and highly misleading. It is astounding to think that someone who covers politics for a living would not understand that.

Finally, Brzezinski -- and her co-host, conservative Joe Scarborough -- seem to think the facts that Brzezinski is nominally a progressive and has spent her entire life in New York and Washington, D.C., not only excuse her slurs against progressives and urbanites, they make her claims about "real Americans" more convincing. In fact, that may well explain why she is so out of touch.

Many people are convinced that their political views are not the majority view and draw comfort from that belief. Particularly since the Nixon years, many conservatives have clung to the belief that they are an oppressed minority, that they alone see things as they are while the rest of country goes astray, and have clung to that belief even when winning elections and controlling the government. By exaggerating the depravity of the rest of the nation, they get to feel their own views are righteous.

Likewise, there are some who like to think of themselves as more liberal than they are and the nation as more conservative than it is. By exaggerating the nation's conservatism, they get to feel more "enlightened" than the rest of the country.

And for the many national journalists who seem to possess this trait, there is an added bonus: They also get to believe that they are more aware of what real Americans think than their fellow coastal liberals. When they describe people like themselves -- as Brzezinski did this week -- as elites, they give the game away: They like to think of themselves as the elite. (That's the unmistakable implication of much of what you hear from the media about "coastal elites." When a Candy Crowley suggests that simple Iowans don't know what green tea is, the subtext is that they aren't as worldly as she is.)

This is a key reason why reporters who may personally lean slightly to the left are so often responsible for news reports and commentary that advance conservative frames: they simply misunderstand where most Americans are, relative to their own views, and that misperception skews their reporting. Brzezinski's comments this week about "real Americans" -- and particularly her defenses of those comments -- seem to be a prime example.

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    • Author by goesto11 (July 10, 2009 3:54 pm ET)
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      Now, that's a reasoned, logical, and clearly articulated explanation of Mika's faulty assertions.

      On the other hand, it may well be that she's just talking out of her ass again.
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      • Author by pointofview (July 10, 2009 8:54 pm ET)
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        Give me a break. Foser says:

        "Brzezinski's comment played into longstanding stereotypes that are as inaccurate as they are mean-spirited."

        That one made me laugh so hard I almost spit out my drink. He is crying about mean-spirited? Give me a break. Seventy Five percent of the "progressives" here can not mention the republican party with out a nazi reference.

        Then he says that most American's don't define themselves by party, but if any talk show does not have 100 "progressives" on the panel, MMFA cries bias.

        The dems won, I get it. But history shows us even when the Dems win, they can never keep it. Conservatives will be back, and it wont be long. Pelosi, Frank, and Reid have never been consensus builders. Another Republican Revolution is on its way.



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        • Author by worrierking (July 10, 2009 9:22 pm ET)
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          The Republicans have made their revolution. Before the election, they divided Americans into so called "real" Americans and the rest of us.

          The voters made their choice and it wasn't your side. For six months they've been attacking the president and now they've come full circle and are referring to themselves as the "real" Americans again.

          So they are going around in circles, and each time they do, they make a revolution. So I guess you're right.
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        • Author by LuvLuLu (July 10, 2009 9:29 pm ET)
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          Very few progressive posters here ever compare anyone to a Nazi, and almost every one of those comments comes in response to a similar-type smear from someone on the right first.

          Media Matters and posters here complain when there's not a fair balance. When Bush was in office, Sunday morning talk shows had many more people from the right on as commentators. Supposedly that was because a Republican was in office. We are still seeing lots of Republicans as commentators, many more than what we would see if the tables were simply turned.

          Talk shows should have reasonable debate from both sides. You're lying when you make accusations like this, because you are trying to derail the conversation.

          Please do not feed the troll.
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          • Author by pointofview (July 10, 2009 10:10 pm ET)
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            Alright LuLu, you and I can start counting the Nazi references. We shall see who is right.
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            • Author by mybrotherskeeper (July 11, 2009 10:44 am ET)
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              LuLu is right. Your comments about the Nazi references by progressives and the Media Matters cries of bias unless 100% of guests are progressives were completely off-base but typical of the exaggerations conservatives routinely make these days. ("Obama is a socialist," "Government take-over of health care," etc., etc.) More often than not, conservatives are the ones throwing in the Nazi comparison, and the talk-show guest bias is in favor of conservative guests, asMedia Matters has documented.
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            • Author by jtragos (July 11, 2009 11:26 am ET)
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              You want to count Nazi references? Okay heil join you. We'll see whose reich. And what all the führer is about. I'll axis all my concentration and we'll get a final solution.
              Hey, I think I won!
              ------------------------------------------
              Now that I've had my laugh at your stupidity and dishonesty let me clarify something: You right-wing rabble are nothing like the Nazis. As foul and arguably evil as they were, they also were powerful and disiplined in their ignominy.
              The reality of the right-wing is closer to what Lenin refered to as useful idiots or what Karl Marx called the lumpenproletariat. Only in your case it's more accurate to change those to useless idiot and lumpen- trolletariat.
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              • Author by jtragos (July 11, 2009 11:38 am ET)
                   
                In my comment above, this; Führer, is supposed to read fuhrer.
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 11, 2009 3:28 am ET)
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          Wow, POV, what a lot of BS. Do you live among people who accept this sort of babbling as sensible ?
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          • Author by pointofview (July 11, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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            Here are a couple examples. This is just to easy.

            by Obama '12 (July 10, 2009 10:21 pm ET) 2   Can we please get these people to stop promoting domestic terrorism? Why do these crazy Nazis have a major platform? Obama's assassination is a mortal lock if this is allowed to continue.


            by harley (3 hours ago)     This is quite reassuring though. It's just more proof that the reich-wingers are still desperate, failing, and have zero chance of regaining the White House in 2012 and any seats in 2010. The GOPigs are a permanent minority for a reason....they have no message, no leaders, and are simpletons.


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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 11, 2009 2:40 pm ET)
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              This is just to(sic) easy.(Pointofview)

              Yes, failing isn't usually difficult.
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              • Author by pointofview (July 11, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
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                Must be hard for ya Col. You tell me it is BS, and I post you examples. You still can not accept the truth. Not that I expected honesty from you.
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                • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 11, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
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                  Yep, failing is hard for me, I make a real effort not to do it any more often than necessary. I'll make one last try at helping you to see your failure. You said:

                  Seventy Five percent of the "progressives" here can not mention the republican party with out a nazi reference.

                  And as backup, you copy two out-of-context comments with no links to show where they came from.If there were only 3 total posters or fewer here, your two examples would exceed 75%, assuming they were valid as referring to the GOP in general.

                  I happened to see the thread where you got one of them. It was in response to crosshairs being placed over Planned Parenthood's logo on Fox News. Inciting wingnut terrorism against an organization that has already experienced its share of right wing violence, promoted by a propaganda organization that has furiously denied any accountability for its role in recent acts of terror by right wing nuts.

                  I'm not sure that you're being dishonest. It's possible your brain has been turned to oatmeal by years of GOP Propaganda.

                  Nazi Nazi Nazi. There's another example you can use, stooge.
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                  • Author by worrierking (July 11, 2009 10:50 pm ET)
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                    I just can't remember if I'm still responding to the Nazi, POV or whether I put him on my Do Not Respond List.

                    And if he's on my DNR List, then I'm going to have to start responding to the Nazi, Barney again too.

                    In any case, just reading his whiney comments make me want to go suck on my tail pipe.





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                • Author by jwcoop715110 (July 11, 2009 5:22 pm ET)
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                  Pov, your ability to spew and/or cite BS with no relation to reality or basis in fact has never been in dispute.

                  If you ever need a reference, feel free to have 'em give me a call.
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        • Author by solon (July 11, 2009 6:23 am ET)
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          You are a liar. THIS is a flat out lie

          Give me a break. Seventy Five percent of the "progressives" here can not mention the republican party with out a nazi reference.


          If you cant make a point without lying then you dont have a point. You are just trolling. Just making outrageous and ludicrous insults for the provocation value.

          Now THIS was just dumb

          But history shows us even when the Dems win, they can never keep it.

          History shows no such thing. For about 40 years from Roosevelt Dems dominated the political landscape. You just say whatever floats to the top of your head dont you? Whether it even makes sense doesnt mean anything to you.
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          • Author by pointofview (July 11, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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            Well, did not take long to get started. harley made what he thought was a cute little nazi reference on another post this morning. You guys just cant help it.

            And according to jtragos above, the nazi's were only "arguably evil" You guys never fail.

            Oh and Solon, the dems really kept a lock on things during the Clinton when they owned everything. I am glad you have 60 in the senate now. When you Still fail to get things done, it will open the floodgates once again for the republicans.

            So lets do a quick recount. Exactly what has Obama gotten done so far.

            [*] The Economy. A failed stimulus

            [*] Gay marriage and rights. Nothing

            [*] Iraq. Nothing

            [*] Biden admits they miss-read the economy

            [*] Unemployment heading towards Carter levels.

            Cant wait to see what you guys do with control of the senate.

            He and his people can not even agree on the first or second stimulus.
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            • Author by ignatov (July 11, 2009 3:20 pm ET)
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              Who let this Nazi in here?
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            • Author by ignatov (July 11, 2009 3:21 pm ET)
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              Who let this Nazi in here?
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            • Author by solon (July 12, 2009 1:21 pm ET)
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              Yes it did not take long for people to make fun of you for being such a shmuck. Your comment is ludicrous. It was a flat out lie. Anyone that can read knows it. Stuff your delusional fantasies the way YOU have been programmed to see things really has nothing to do with reality. Things are getting done. We are in a deep hole from Bush that is another subject. I prefer to spank you on the lie and delusion of the post I responded to. Yeah Clinton was 1992 Roosevelt was 1932. If what you meant is that Dems never keep power FOREVER, then you would have a point. Clinton certainly has nothing to do with 40 years of Democratic domination after Roosevelt. Basic math. Adult education. I would tell you to look into it but with your diminished capacity it would be a waste of time. You LIED flat out in your post and you spewed one of your trademark delusional fantasies. You were called on it. You get spanked here everday. Part of that is you dont even try to make points or tell the truth. You only want to insult the left and you couldnt care LESS whether or not you have to lie or toss out idiotic nonsense to do it. Your ONLY motivation is to insult the left. You are pathetic POV.
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            • Author by NiceguyEddie (July 13, 2009 12:36 pm ET)
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            • The Economy. A failed stimulus


            • More like a failed, premature RW talking point.

            • Gay marriage and rights. Nothing


            • You can thank conservtaive obstruction for this and pretty much every other area that social progress is stalled.

            • Iraq. Nothing


            • Are you an idiot? We're on our way out, moron! Just becuase he's not "cutting and running" or "withdrawing percipitously" like YOU LOT said he would, doesn't mean he's not doing EXACTLY what he said he would. You lot just weren't listeneing to anything besides the voices in your heads.

            • Biden admits they miss-read the economy


            • Yeah, he couldn't believe the Republicans had screwed it up THIS badly.

            • Unemployment heading towards Carter levels.


            • See above.

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  • Author by Brabantio (July 11, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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    Allow me to step in for POV here.

    Give me a break. Seventy Five percent of the "progressives" here can not mention the republican party with out a nazi reference.

    Your own post has the word "nazi" in it! That's a nazi reference. HA!

    For about 40 years from Roosevelt Dems dominated the political landscape.

    And what happened after that 40 years? They didn't keep it, or it would be more than 40 years. Thanks for proving my point.

    That was fun.
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  • Author by pointofview (July 11, 2009 12:52 pm ET)
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    by snoopy (July 10, 2009 6:13 pm ET)
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    That's because being reichpublican means never having to say you're sorry...

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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 12, 2009 12:53 am ET)
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      Reich doesn't necessarily mean Nazi, POS, er, I mean POV. The Nazis were the "Third Reich." Perhaps you could do some research and find out what the First and Second Reichs were.
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  • Author by jwcoop715110 (July 11, 2009 3:22 pm ET)
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    me a break. Seventy Five percent of the "progressives" here can not mention the republican party with out a nazi reference.


    Well, as long as you're gonna confirm it, sport, there's no need to mention the connection. That's very thoughtful of you.

    I've got news for ya, pal. The country is changing. Even if folks didn't know how disastrous he'd be, Reagan couldn't get elected today. The ignorant-trash scum vote continues to slide into the abyss that is the dustbin of history.

    Safe home.

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    • Author by pointofview (July 11, 2009 3:35 pm ET)
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      You are an idiot. Reagan would have won a third term then, and could be elected now. He was a real leader.
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      • Author by franky (July 11, 2009 5:24 pm ET)
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        Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer?
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      • Author by franky (July 11, 2009 5:27 pm ET)
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        Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer?
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      • Author by jwcoop715110 (July 11, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
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        Yeah, he led us to the largest deficits in history until Clinton got us out of them leaving the largest budget surplus in history only to be squandered by shrub to the point where he's left us in the worst economic mess since gop-slime corruption and incompetence gave us the Great Depression.

        Now it's just up to Obama to be a 21st Century FDR and get us out of this most recent gop-slime mess.
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      • Author by jwcoop715110 (July 11, 2009 6:15 pm ET)
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        Yeah, he led us to the largest deficits in history until Clinton got us out of them leaving the largest budget surplus in history only to be squandered by shrub to the point where he's left us in the worst economic mess since gop-slime corruption and incompetence gave us the Great Depression.

        Now it's just up to Obama to be a 21st Century FDR and get us out of this most recent gop-slime mess.
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        • Author by pointofview (July 11, 2009 8:36 pm ET)
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          You are on some serious drugs. Reagan won the cold war, enacted policies that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union, and set up 20 years of economic prosperity. Clinton never left a surplus, that is all liberal kool aid.

          Obama as the next FDR....that is funny.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 12, 2009 12:55 am ET)
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            Lie after lie after lie after lie from POS, I mean POV.

            He probably can't help it, he thinks what he posted is true. Psychosis is very hard to deal with. Perhaps we should stop feeding the troll.
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          • Author by phredicles (July 12, 2009 1:52 am ET)
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            I see you've been drinking deep from the Gypper Kool-Aid. Reagan was an ignorant old senile buffoon who once came back from a tour of South America saying, "You'd be surprised. They're all different countries down there."

            He just happened to be in office when the Soviet Union collapsed from its internal failures. People not relying on the CIA's lousy intelligence and the Defense Department's money-sucking hype could see it coming, as indicated by the Soviet dissident Andrei Amalrik's 1969 treatise, "Will the Soviet Union Survive Until 1984?" He was off by seven years, but he could see it was a matter of time.

            Meanwhile, the same people who swear St. Ronnie won the Cold War by "forcing" the USSR to spend way more than they could afford on their military are the most vocal in insisting that the US should also spend way more than it can afford on its military. So where exactly is this supposed to get us?
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          • Author by worrierking (July 12, 2009 10:52 am ET)
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            The Cold War was won by everyone who served in our military and every president who held office from the end of World War II to the collapse of the Soviet Union during George H. W. Bush's presidency.

            Peddle that Reagan the hero saint nonsense somewhere where it might be appreciated. If you want to credit Reagan you'll have to admit that he nearly bankrupted our economy with military spending increases that the soviets tried to match. Their economy collapsed before ours did. Their military was also severely weakened by it's war in Afghanistan.



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          • Author by brady (July 13, 2009 9:37 am ET)
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            Yeah, and he did it all while sleep walking through cabinent meetings as Nancy brought in fortune tellers and dealt tarrot cards to tell her what to have Ronnie do next. Then there's that whole Iran-Contra thing which he conveniently couldn't remember.

            Liberal kool aid? Even a gallon of conservative mouthwash can't erase all the bad odors that Saint Ronald left behind.
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  • Author by truthiness14 (July 11, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
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    The dems won, I get it. But history shows us even when the Dems win, they can never keep it. Conservatives will be back, and it wont be long.

    That is a pretty ridiculous statement. Is that really your argument for the conservative parties relevance and popularity? That one party out of a multi party democratic government hasn't held complete control? Awesome...
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  • Author by NiceguyEddie (July 13, 2009 12:32 pm ET)
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    What a bunch of senseless nonsense.

    "Seventy Five percent of the "progressives" here can not mention the republican party with out a nazi reference."

    And 83.7% of statistcis are made up on the spot. It's seems just as likely these days that Obama is called a fascist. Absurd not just because it's an aeageration, but one that 180 degrees in the wrong direction.

    Then he says that most American's don't define themselves by party, but if any talk show does not have 100 "progressives" on the panel, MMFA cries bias.

    Um... more like when they don't have a SINGLE ONE, or the one they have is an ineffectual, imasculated token like Alan Colmes.

    The dems won, I get it. But history shows us even when the Dems win, they can never keep it. Conservatives will be back, and it wont be long.

    Um... history shows that NO party can hold onto the majority for 'very long.' And when the conservtaives DO come back, you can bet they'll look pretty liberal when compared to the con's that just lost.

    That's how it goes. It's how it has alwasy gone. Conservtaives finally get around to embracing the progress made by the liberals of the LAST generation, and yet time just keeps moving on without them.
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  • Author by Martha (July 11, 2009 8:26 pm ET)
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    Lipstick on an ass?..............sorry, just had to.

    BTW, couldn't agree more, she must be SUCH a disappointment to her father.
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  • Author by NiceguyEddie (July 13, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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    I think she meant, real 'Mericans.
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  • Author by historygeek001 (July 10, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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    Excellent, excellent piece, and it illuminates more than just Brzezinski's faults; it reveals problems in their whole narrative.
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    • Author by mybrotherskeeper (July 11, 2009 10:53 am ET)
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      Remember how Al Gore was said to be an old person's idea of a young man? (Michael Kinsley, I believe.) Well, Mika strikes me as a conserfvative's idea of a liberal. I agree with those who think she is MSNBC's version of 'Colmes' to Scarborough's 'Hannity.'

      Yes, I really think her role just may be to fulfill a sterotype that conservatives have about liberal elites, thus encouraging them in what was already their strong tendency to discount liberal or progressive ideas. The media narrative seems to require this.
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      • Author by hunterjond (July 11, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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        You just made a point that gives me something to think about. Thank you.
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  • Author by Jurgan (July 10, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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    "How can you keep quiet? How can you put up with people who claim to love America but clearly can't stand Americans?"

    -Annette Bening, The American President

    I didn't really understand what that meant the first time I saw the movie. Now, I understand it better every day.
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    • Author by MickD (July 11, 2009 6:08 am ET)
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      Interesting that you refer to that film. Like Network, it becomes more prescient every day -- and it was made BEFORE the internet and the build-up of Fox News.
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  • Author by Timmee (July 10, 2009 5:22 pm ET)
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    Neo-Cons have destroyed the meanings of "liberal" and "conservative" and the labels need to be retired. They no longer function...they no longer contain REAL information about someone.

    The narrative of the GOP and the entire psuedo-religious modern conservatism is quite simple...the "left" (whatever that is) is responsible for everything bad in history EVER.
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  • Author by The_Cat (July 10, 2009 5:36 pm ET)
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    In the face of such well researched and well reasoned writing, I can only applaud. Hats off to you, Mr. Foser!
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  • Author by mk3872 (July 10, 2009 5:39 pm ET)
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    Didn't we just prove in November 2008 that America is NOT a strictly right-wing conservative Republican country?

    When will the conservative elites ever admit THEY LOST??

    Or is that just a fundamental part of their dysfuntion: NEVER admit that you were WRONG!?
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  • Author by thebigmouth (July 10, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
       
    she's $tarbuck$ darling, go figure
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  • Author by smarshall1432997 (July 10, 2009 5:51 pm ET)
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    Mika knew that her 'real American' statement would get alot of flack, but she did "NOT" care because she was going on vacation. Joe Scarborough taught Mika well when she accompanied him on his Book Tour over the past two months or so. Go Mika, go. LOL
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    • Author by jwcoop715110 (July 11, 2009 3:28 pm ET)
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      Seein' how this ain't exactly her first brain-dead bigot rodeo, if she didn't know by now, she's not just too dumb to work anywhere but faux, she's too dumb to waste oxygen on.
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  • Author by jeromey (July 10, 2009 6:03 pm ET)
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    Mika and Joe daily display their ignorance of economics and statistics. If not ignorant, then willfully misleading in their interpretation. Their sycophantic guests don't help even when they nominally disagree.
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    • Author by jwcoop715110 (July 11, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
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      Mika and Joe display their ignorance on a wide range of subjects. It's not just limited to economics and statistics.

      Joe remains lying gop-slime and Mika remains shallow and superficial in all things as evidenced by her continuing palin fixation. She certainly ain't smashin' any dumb-blond stereotypes.

      Joes' gop-slime credentials are as obvious as they are impeccable.

      Apart from her last name, what exactly are Mika's credentials to do anything but make silly remarks on TV.

      She's Elizabeth Hasselback with a famous father.
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  • Author by pxgabriel152 (July 10, 2009 7:16 pm ET)
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    This is a magnificent article.
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  • Author by epkklk851 (July 10, 2009 7:48 pm ET)
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    Thank you for a very well written column. I was deeply offended by her remarks. I grew up in a blue collar home, worked my way through school and managed to acheive a comfortable, but still squarely middle-class existence, but somehow, to her, I am the elitist and she and Governor Palin, with teachers for parents and a larger income than my family, with more material wealth are "real Americans" because they are Conservative, where I am not because I am a Liberal. Go figure.
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  • Author by vwcat (July 10, 2009 10:18 pm ET)
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    I live in 'real america', so to speak. The midwest to be exact.
    The biggest myth is about the east coast 'elites' and the rest of us.
    I never have heard anyone talking about those people on the coast or dissing them, ect., To us New York seems like a cool city to visit and probably somewhat like chicago. Washington is our capital that would be cool to go and see the sites.
    We don't sit around trashing them. Even the republicans don't think anything one way or another about the coast or that they are 'elites' blah blah blah.
    I also know most people don't think Palin is all that. Universal reaction to her is yawn and get her away from the camera.
    You see, outside of pockets in the midwest, most people are very independent and pride themselves on not fitting into any box.
    So, Mika's comments annoy, irritate and really disgust me.
    I know she knows zero of what she is talking about or what we are like or what we think.
    I also think most of this is because Mika's woman crush on Palin is embarrassing. Her blind slavishness towards the woman makes Buchanan look like he cannot stand Palin.
    Maybe that should be something you guys can look into doing a column about. Mika's huge woman crush on Palin.
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    • Author by mybrotherskeeper (July 11, 2009 11:01 am ET)
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      Speaking of the Midwest (where I live, too) isn't Candy Crowley from Missouri? Did she really think Iowans did not know what green tea is, or was she just playing to East Coast sterotypes? And I do not know about you, but Sara Palin doesn't sound Midwestern to me. I hear Canada.
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    • Author by mybrotherskeeper (July 11, 2009 11:12 am ET)
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      BTW, I do hear here in the Midwest criticism of the coasts -- the media in particular -- as being superficial. That is my own biggest complaint about "Morning Joe." I cannot imagine anyone outside of New York watching the show ... unless they find Mika's portrayal of a liberal elite entertaining, and unless they happen to agree with, or are as uninformed as, Joe Scarborough. That might be something to find out. Where, exactly is the audience for "Morning Joe?"
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  • Author by tjmccool2284 (July 10, 2009 10:27 pm ET)
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    Well crafted arguments but the problem is encapsulated when you say: relying as Brzezinski does on such labels is lazy, superficial, and highly misleading.

    She works for a lazy, superficial and highly misleading network owned by a corporation which has as a goal misleading and misdirecting the public. Yes, Mika said something silly and has refused to incisively reflect on it. Too true.

    Here's the problem with MMFA. Bob Somerbywrites today about Rachel Maddow (as he has several times recently) and her disturbing tendency to stay away from real issues. She isn't Fox and Friends, thank the FSM, but where's the critical review of her?
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  • Author by night-n-day (July 10, 2009 10:35 pm ET)
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    So, being married to someone who belongs to an anti-American seperatist organization, and also encourages her cult to want to kill the American president, is a real American??

    Why don't we just cut to the chase on the "real American" crap. Brzezinski and Scarborough, like all clowns who believe that real 'Murikens live in the "heartland", are Christians. And the city is full of Jews and other "unsavory minorities". It's the same reason Lou Dobbs rails against Mexicans coming into America and not Canadians. You won't find trailer parks with adult age siblings living together in them in the city. What you will find in the city are people who read books, don't mindlessly follow TV preacher/charlatans, and (the scariest part) are of many non-European ancestries.

    THAT has always been at the root of the Real 'Murkens nonsense.
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  • Author by franky (July 11, 2009 3:01 am ET)
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    A very interesting analysis and as usual the writing is no less than artful. And Mr. Foser's angle on the American-authenticity question with regards to Ms. Brzezinski's recent comments may very well have merit on some level. As a fellow journalist he's certainly in a position to empathize with her that I am not. The elitist attitude among some in the media which he reports is both informative and disturbing.

    But I wonder if he, as a public person, doesn't severely restrict himself in what he says on this subject. I imagine being known must make it awkward to write about the blood and guts of society - the delicate registry of basic assumptions and beliefs so close to home that they can't be seen on casual inspection. I for one have no such encumbrance traveling to America's Forbidden Zone.

    My guess, although she doesn't come out and say it, is that the 'real Americans' concept Brzezinski has in mind is not ideologically based but ethnically and religiously determined. Foser doesn't seem to want to face that possibility, at least publicly. He seems to prefer it all be about the less inherently dangerous and less controversial non-bigotry-based philosophical differences. I'd rather that was the reality too. But I can't imagine he doesn't know better. As a reader of this board for years, I know this 'real-American' versus 'non-real-American' dichotomy has been discussed here often and in great detail, long before it caught on with the main-stream media.

    I hold no brief for or against Ms. Brzezinski. I'm not a fan or a detractor. I don't watch her show. But wouldn't her father have to have had a keen understanding as to how this country (and many others) really works to have risen to the position he did advising Presidents on how to interact with other nations? And would he not have informally or formally advised his daughter in this regard?

    As a public person on a large stage Brzezinski is in the same bind as Mr. Foser. She can't easily say what she may really think. I imagine very few do, save the truly brainwashed or professionally suicidal. So what then are we are left with in this fight between two no-doubt very knowledgeable people? Not much more than the shadows of punches thrown by combatants with hands bound.
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  • Author by steeve (July 11, 2009 5:32 am ET)
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    Another week of the nation's finest media critic slumming with Brzezinski.

    But if you're a critic of today's media, your whole job is slumming. Most weeks you're struggling to teach kindergarten to spoiled millionaires throwing food at each other.

    There really isn't anything else for MMFA to do. Their home page should just have a big banner across it saying "they're all butt-stupid, isn't it obvious?". Then the writers here can put their towering intellects to good use somewhere else.
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    • Author by jwcoop715110 (July 11, 2009 6:57 pm ET)
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      Well, as long as the delusional, dimwitted, gop-slime deluge continues unabated, I'm sure the lunatic-fringe likes of Joe, Mika and the fixed news nitwits will keep them bailin' like palin.

      It may not allow them to utilize their towering intellects or employ their educations, but somebody's gotta keep these gop-slime swine accountable.

      Lord knows, that task ain't gonna perform itself.
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  • Author by LORISNJ (July 11, 2009 10:18 am ET)
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    Mika's problem is not that she sees herself in one way and therefore she is right about her opinions of those on the right of her views; her problem is that she doesn't know enough about any given subject to render a coherent argument so she defaults to a few harmless phrases that don't further the discussion but allows her to stay in the conversation. There is no value added in her comments and her co-hosts rarely challenge her and when guests do challenge her, she defaults to meaningless polls to justify her remarks. I can't watch her without thinking "how did this person get this job", and we all know the answer to that question without the help of polling!
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  • Author by pags2 (July 11, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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    The attacks on "elitist" by the so called "real Americans" is merely an extension of the old Nixon strategy. Anyone who opposed him was an elitist and not a part of his Silent Majority. This new attack on elitists is to suggest that Obama is an usurper to the presidency and not a real American. The conservatives have forgotten that urban areas also vote and they overwhelmingly supported Obama. But this strategy worked in the past so it easy to see why conservatives fall back to this argument.
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    • Author by jwcoop715110 (July 11, 2009 7:59 pm ET)
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      Ya gotta love these loons and their "elitist" slop.

      They wouldn't want a doctor smarter than them to perform neurosurgery on their kids while rich white trash like shrub is a man of the people and a mixed-race son of a single mother who's earned everything he's ever gotten is the elitist.

      There's ignorant and then there's gop ignorant.
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  • Author by dusteemusic (July 11, 2009 6:24 pm ET)
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    Mika, most of the time just sounds like background noise to me. And half of that time doesn't know what she's talking about. Is it true that she grew up in the same house with her father?


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