How Lou Dobbs scared Rush Limbaugh off the birther story
I can think of three (inadvertent) positives that came out of Lou Dobbs' ill-advised embrace of the birther movement:
1) The CNN host has permanently tarnished his reputation
2) The birther movement is officially kaput (like, stick-a-fork-in-it done)
3) Rush Limbaugh is afraid to talk about birthers.
Talk about a win-win-win.
It's true that Dobbs irresponsibly mainstreamed radical right-fringe players by championing their half-baked claims that Barack Obama isn't a natural born citizen and is ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Dobbs, at least indirectly, lent the birther movement some fleeting credence as he dragged its misbegotten detective work into the spotlight. And it's still vitally important to monitor Dobbs and call out CNN management for its dreadful hypocrisy on the birther issue (i.e. The story is "dead" but it's OK for Dobbs to keep flogging it on national TV).
But there was some good news last week, and it came from watching Dobbs' slow motion train wreck unfold on the airwaves. It came from seeing how eagerly -- how convincingly -- the birther claims were debunked, not only online by progressives, but within the mainstream press as well -- the same mainstream press that's often reluctant to show up high-profile media players such as Dobbs, no matter how badly it has botched the facts. And let's not forget conservatives, who dismissed and ridiculed the birther claims.
In the case of the birthers, though, Dobbs' corporate media colleagues were utterly relentless in their fact-checking. I still don't think Dobbs knows what hit him. And frankly, I'm not sure I've ever seen such a well-deserved media pile-on. It's hard to see how Dobbs' career survives the humiliation.
Of course, it's always dangerous when hateful and cuckoo conspiracy theories are ushered into the mainstream and right-wing critics are given a platform to peddle their hateful whodunits about Obama's nationality the way Dobbs did. But, in this case, I almost think it was worth running that risk in order to watch the tidal wave of media disapproval that Dobbs' fearmongering unleashed.
Because in retrospect, the birthers, who had spent months lurking on the sidelines, needed to be called out on national TV; they needed to be ridiculed mercilessly and have their cheerleaders thoroughly mocked. They needed to be turned into the butt of a joke, and thanks to Lou Dobbs, last week they were.
It was a good thing MSNBC viewers got to see right-wing radio host G. Gordon Liddy feebly attempt to make sense of the birther crusade. And let's face it, if it weren't for Dobbs' high-profile, albeit irresponsible, birther cheerleading last week, Chris Matthews never would have booked Liddy for the show, nor would he have been discussing the topic.
Indeed, the rhetorical media beat down that Dobbs suffered seemed to reach every conceivable media forum, with reporters and pundits, anchors and TV hosts all lining up to smack the birther piñata Dobbs had so proudly hung.
Watch again as Jon Stewart pummels the piñata and scoops up the treats:
Watching clips like that convinced me that Dobbs last week inadvertently, yet effectively, buried the birther movement as we know it. Despite its extraordinary resiliency (didn't the Obama campaign first try to debunk this story exactly 12 months ago?), I think by shining a spotlight on the birther conspiracy, Dobbs, rather than helping get questions answered, and rather than legitimizing the lost souls peddling the birther certificate nonsense, helped drive a stake through its heart. The media backlash that Dobbs set off made sure of that, and it made sure that nobody will ever take the birthers seriously again.
Think about it, without Dobbs suddenly out front leading the stragglers who make the birther parade, do you think NBC would have devoted four minutes of its Nightly News to thoroughly debunk the story? I doubt it. And that's why I think everyone now owes Dobbs a hearty round of applause. Because let's face it, he did in one week what nobody else had been able to do during the previous 51: put an end to the birther movement.
And while we're patting Dobbs on the back, I'm pretty sure Dobbs scared Limbaugh off the birther story -- or, more precisely, the pummeling Dobbs received scared Limbaugh off the birther story. And that's a big deal within the Republican Noise Machine. Birthers had been courting Limbaugh for months and cheered in June when the turbo talker at least made a birther joke on the air: "Barack Obama has one thing in common with God. Do you know what it is? God does not have a birth certificate either."
As David Weigel at The Washington Independent reported:
On June 16, after Limbaugh joked about the president's citizenship, WorldNetDaily editor-in-chief Joseph Farah appeared on the Web-based Recharge Radio to thank the host for spreading the "birther" message. "What that did is beyond Rush's impact," said Farah. "It also gives other talk show hosts license to talk about this issue ... Rush is kind of the standard of talk show hosts. A lot of people emulate what he does. He crossed the Rubicon on that show, and I'm very proud of him for doing it."
Earlier this month, just as the Dobbs circus was setting up shop, Limbaugh returned to the topic in a far more serious vein, saying: "Barack Obama has yet to have to prove he's a citizen. All he'd have to do is show a birth certificate."
That was July 20, around the same time Dobbs waded into the birther pool and just days before the CNN host ignited massive media blowback. But here's the tell: Have you noticed Limbaugh's deafening silence about the birthers since July 20th? Have you noticed how the birther movement was in the news virtually every day last week, how the mainstream press was debunking it and calling out the right-wing nonsense, how NBC's Nightly News referred to Limbaugh in its birther report, yet Limbaugh remained mum? Rather than step forward in his natural role as a birther defender and attacker of all-things Obama, Limbaugh has sat out the birther controversy and watched its members get mowed down in the press.
Limbaugh's scared to talk about the birthers and won't defend them because he has seen how Dobbs and the movement got manhandled by the press -- including by conservative commentators. In fact, Limbaugh himself took some friendly fire from Philip Klein at the far-right American Spectator who, under the headline, "Shame on Rush," announced: "To any sane human being, there is no controversy."
Limbaugh saw how the press was sticking to the birth certificate facts and wasn't shy about knocking down high-paid radio hosts who tried to traffic in that nonsense.
And guess what? If Limbaugh won't back the birthers, that means most right-wing AM hosts won't either. Because that business is built upon a very simple (lemming) rule: Do whatever Rush does. And if Limbaugh won't line up on the side of the birthers, than means most AM talkers won't either, which means the birthers are going to be pushed back to the fringes where they belong.
And for that, we have Lou Dobbs to thank.

















Dobbs, on the other hand, seems to have willingly and gleefully jumped off this cliff without any prompting from outside sources. I seriously doubt he'll share Rather's fate... but I will gladly admit error if proven wrong.
I love how the birthers compare the two incidents. One incident used forged documents to back up what probably was the truth.
The other denies real documents to formulate hatred for the president just because of his skin color.
I know that was the accusation, but was that ever proved? I often ask conservatives for evidence of that when they claim that the docs were proven forgeries, but I still have never seen a conclusion.
I didn't think it had been verified either way (genuine or forgery)
Feel free to straighten me out, I've never gotten an answer to this.
Guys, lets not start sounding like conspiracy nuts ourselves. I don't put anything past a scumbag like Rove, but let's not get to excited about the prospect that Rather was setup as opposed to just getting overly excited about a story and making a single error in judgement about a single piece of documentation.'
Until we have some real evidence, let make sure we maintain some sense of logic and reason here. If we don't, no one will! ;)
Dobbs career will survive for the same reasons Dan Rathers career was ruined for exposing the reality of Bush's lack of military past.
The greedy nasty un-American right-wing corporations...
Bush was their boy... Obama is not!
For the last week or so the right's response to criticism of Dobbsie is that he's NOT a reporter but a COMMENTATOR.
They shape-shift from reporters to comedians to commentators to entertainers just as effortlessly as they move Obama from a weak-willed socialist to an iron-fisted dictator.
his hypocracy is bad enough about immigration, considering was one, and his kids love of horses are the biggest employer of illegal immigrants.
After reading your posts here, I'm curious. Are you Lou Dobbins (sic) sister, or wife? You must be joking to support Louie Toons
in anything. He has made a fool of himself and the right-wingers.
Thanks Lou, for a really great side show.
Dakotahgeo
Lou Dobbs is not a great reporter.
The evidence demonstrates Inhofe is clueless. But we're dealing with a cohort for whom evidence and facts are second to beliefs.
I would greatly appreciate using the birther fallacy to discredit people like Inhofe on a wide range of topics including healthcare. But for some inexplicable reason support of non-reality-based beliefs will likely increase Inhofes credibility with his core supporters.
It makes you question the intelligence level of their core supporters, no?
To paraphrase Jon Stewert, she can botch up pulling your teeth, sue herself and find you a Big Mansion - all in one-stop shopping.
When CNN uses people like that for sources, you know you had better get your real news from The Daily Show.
Saying that the birther movement is dead now, is a very "inside the beltway" thing to say...Cuz it is only dead in the establishment MSM....for now...
This wing nuttiness is not going away.....Unless the repub leadership comes out strong in denouncing it.....
But too many of them can not do that with out alienating much of their base........
The GOP mob is out of the control of its masters....
He doesn't need to, they are doing a good enough job on their own.
Thanks in advance.
I'll check back.
Well, aside from one person.
Obama has already showed his birth certificate. Anybody who claims that the birfer bullsh!t is even remotely legitimate is delusional, lying, or both. People who bring this up can't oppose Obama on the issues so they invent a reason to attack him. There is no "controversy" because the facts cannot be disputed; he has proved without a doubt that he was born in Hawaii. At least stand up and admit why you don't like Obama, don't pretend that don't know where he was born. The birfers are racist and lack even the tiny bit of integrity that open white supremacists have that enables them to stand up and spout their garbage; instead they hide behind a lie that is so transparent that it's become a joke. That's repugnant.
Ruby, What? Seriously, this has already been confirmed, documented and put to bed. The only people still saying the that he has not proven his legal citizenship are, you guessed it, Right-wing wacko's like Inhoff, Dobbs and thier ilk, so you must have been following their programs because you are spouting their taking points like a GOP robot.
If you are really serious about this issue, and concerned about the welfare of our nation then do your research and you'll see that this is a non-issue, just a bunch of people desperatly trying to grasp at any straw within reach.
Even Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh won't touch this, that's all the proof I need.
Speaking of Lamebrain running away from 'the question,' Eric, blogger-in-action Mike Stark's video at Think Progress presents the footage of rightwing congressmen on the run:
ThinkProgress.ORG/2009/07/27/stark-birthers-vid/
The latest thought-balloon floating up -- 'bobbing on the surface like chunky hot chads' (apologies to Firesign Theatre's Georgie Tirebinder) -- posits that an Act of Congress can legitimize Obama in the eyes of the birthers.
George Tirebiter is probably ok with the quote. Misspelling his name though, is worth an involuntary trip to Monster Island, Bucko!
Maybe I need to go back for re-grooving.
Why does the porridge bird try to lay its eggs bent on breaking the President?
Da boyce are putting on a couple shows in LA in Mid October. Wish I could be there.
The answer to the porridge bird egg question was theoretically answered in the episode,"Dream monster egg fool Young Guy."*
From the wholly mythological series; YOUNG GUY, Motor Detective!
* From, "Not Insane, Or, Anything You Want to."
FATHER'S RACE: AFRICAN
And as long as it says that, you and your kind will always have problems with him being in the White House.
RUSH: Every day Barack Fonda is telling us who he is. Every day. He's Barack Fonda and Barack Nifong in one day. He's telling us exactly who he is. Pretty soon he's going to be… well, he's Barack Marx every day.
CALLER: It's outrageous.
RUSH: But now he's adding, you know, last names, and no birth certificate so he can paint whatever name he wants, Barack Nifong, Barack Fonda, it's a great point. I hadn't thought about that, about the parents, family members of those soldiers that are over there. This mission they're on, it's a huge offensive we're on, huge firefights are taking place.
Some "deafening silence".
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_072309/content/01125113.guest.html
Groan. The entire media's reputation was under twenty feet of dirt 15 years ago.
The only positive of this is that it took time away from the media screwing up the discussion on important policy.
Not even. Sorry to disappoint you.
There are those who can't tolerate the idea that we have a smart black guy running things in the white house. They need to know that America has moved forward and hate tactics will not be tolerated or exploited by newscasters or politicians.
what if john mccain had been elected. i think there is a more sound case for him being ineligible given that, he was born in the panama canal zone. which was land LEASED by the american government. and isnt even under US control anymore.
sorry ... apparently, the only racism that occurs is happening to whitey ...
She said that HI's gov. had verified that BHO was born there, yet that never happened. In fact, at the link, you can see a form letter HI's gov. sends out informing people that it would be against the law for her to verify he was born there.
It's odd what MMFA won't tell you, isn't it?
MMFA is expert at 'selective omission.'
But no matter, the lemmings here just blindly follow into the abyss.
I want to be a birther but none of them has yet to prove that Obama wasn't born in the US. I keep getting hung up on those newspaper announcements. Who put them there? Also, that phone interview with the stepgrandmother which is being upheld as a deposition gives me cause to believe that this is just idiocy. It was a translated over the phone call. You know, I would like to become as ignorant as these birthers but I can't find any factual basis to become one.
Please give me your reasons why I should become one instead of just mocking MMFA. Can you do that, Please.
2. From my comment at mediamatters.org/columns/200907230005#529507
4. Neither announcement listed a birth place or hospital, and no one has ever provided proof that such announcements could have only come from the birth hospital... Why isn't MMFA mentioning that the possibility that the announcements were planted by BHO's grandparents in expectation of a custody battle? That doesn't mean they did that. However, isn't MMFA misleading you when they only state one outrageous possibility rather than stating other more reasonable possibilities? Is MMFA dumb, or do they think you are?
Now I get it you have said you proved that the MSM is lying about this issue. So Obama was born in the U.S. and the MSM lies...OKAY.
Next,the possibility.. his grandparents planted the announced for some reason...custody battle. OKAY.
Thank you for you titilating insight and overwhelming body of proof that the MSM is lying and MMFA is dumb. But in the end, you must believe that the President is a US citizen.
I personally think that Obama is an alien from outer space.
Excues me for one moment..Could someone reheat this TEA, and use a new teabag? Back to my post, where were we, oh yes, the moon landing. Never happened...etc. etc. etc.
The moon landing that is! ;)
MythBusters did a show debunking the kooks who think it never happened...
More reasonable? Are YOU serious?
You think up some off the wall conspiracy where Obama's grandparents plant a birth announcement because they MIGHT have a custody battle?
And considering Obama only meet his father ONCE since he was 2 years old, exactely WHO was going to be involved in this imaginary custody battle?
Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff?
Curious... Where precisely are you going with that? Unless you have proof that one or both families were not happy and that the marriage was on the rocks at the time...
As of this moment, the only reason you or any other wing-nut would bring this crazy crap up is because you are desperate to be seen as legitimate. As if you have any credibility other than to repeat the racist talking points of the right-wing dunderheads!
Dude! Get a f$&@ing life!
Sarah Palin (Q)
hahahahahahahaha!!!! I'm going to use that (with proper credit to you, of course)
Just what in their post made you decide they were from the south? Is it your elitist thinking that all people from the south aren't intelligent? Is that what you are implying? Do you think for one second that all "birthers" are from the south? Get off your pompous beanbag.
Hawaii health director speaks on Obama
Will you give up your weak arguments now?
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
"No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i.”
Just for those who are curious, here is the body of the statement released by the state government of Hawaii. See the part where they have verified that then Senator Obama's original birth certificate is on record? That means he was born there, and they have the paperwork to prove it. Just because they won't release the birth certificate to any wackjob who wants a copy proves exactly nothing. The lemmings in this case are the birthers themselves.
It's not the tiniest bit odd that MMfA is not in the habit of perpetuating lies, by the way.
Who says he's spent hundreds of thousands of dollars? You have a link for that or proof?
His educational records are sealed? Do you know that it's common practice to seal these things as pertains to someone being President? Again, education records are not public records. Again, go to a registrar, and try to get the educational records of someone you know that's not you, you can't do it, unless that person says you can. This is for, well, everyone.
He didn't apply to school as a citizen of another country. That old carrot has been debunked time and again.
Our president was born in Hawaii. He says so. Hawaii says so. His grandparents said so. His mother said so.
Get a grip.
NOBODY, I repeat, NOBODY gets the long form.
Obama's birth certificate has more info on it than MINE does, and I know I'm a citizen. I was born in Pennsylvania.
My birth certificate contains my parents names, the county and state of birth, MY full name, and the raised seal of the state of Pennsylvania.
There's no mention of the hospital I was born at, nor the doctor who helped my mom.
It has two signatures: The State Registrar, and the Secretary of Health.
My date of birth, and my sex are also on my certificate.
The file number, date filed, and date issued.
My parents race isn't even mentioned.
I'm calling it what it is: RACISM.
And you're an idiot along with all these idiotic birthers.
Get a life.