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How Lou Dobbs scared Rush Limbaugh off the birther story

July 27, 2009 12:31 pm ET

I can think of three (inadvertent) positives that came out of Lou Dobbs' ill-advised embrace of the birther movement:

1) The CNN host has permanently tarnished his reputation

2) The birther movement is officially kaput (like, stick-a-fork-in-it done)

3) Rush Limbaugh is afraid to talk about birthers.

Talk about a win-win-win.

It's true that Dobbs irresponsibly mainstreamed radical right-fringe players by championing their half-baked claims that Barack Obama isn't a natural born citizen and is ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Dobbs, at least indirectly, lent the birther movement some fleeting credence as he dragged its misbegotten detective work into the spotlight. And it's still vitally important to monitor Dobbs and call out CNN management for its dreadful hypocrisy on the birther issue (i.e. The story is "dead" but it's OK for Dobbs to keep flogging it on national TV).

But there was some good news last week, and it came from watching Dobbs' slow motion train wreck unfold on the airwaves. It came from seeing how eagerly -- how convincingly -- the birther claims were debunked, not only online by progressives, but within the mainstream press as well -- the same mainstream press that's often reluctant to show up high-profile media players such as Dobbs, no matter how badly it has botched the facts. And let's not forget conservatives, who dismissed and ridiculed the birther claims.

In the case of the birthers, though, Dobbs' corporate media colleagues were utterly relentless in their fact-checking. I still don't think Dobbs knows what hit him. And frankly, I'm not sure I've ever seen such a well-deserved media pile-on. It's hard to see how Dobbs' career survives the humiliation.

Of course, it's always dangerous when hateful and cuckoo conspiracy theories are ushered into the mainstream and right-wing critics are given a platform to peddle their hateful whodunits about Obama's nationality the way Dobbs did. But, in this case, I almost think it was worth running that risk in order to watch the tidal wave of media disapproval that Dobbs' fearmongering unleashed.

Because in retrospect, the birthers, who had spent months lurking on the sidelines, needed to be called out on national TV; they needed to be ridiculed mercilessly and have their cheerleaders thoroughly mocked. They needed to be turned into the butt of a joke, and thanks to Lou Dobbs, last week they were.

It was a good thing MSNBC viewers got to see right-wing radio host G. Gordon Liddy feebly attempt to make sense of the birther crusade. And let's face it, if it weren't for Dobbs' high-profile, albeit irresponsible, birther cheerleading last week, Chris Matthews never would have booked Liddy for the show, nor would he have been discussing the topic.

Indeed, the rhetorical media beat down that Dobbs suffered seemed to reach every conceivable media forum, with reporters and pundits, anchors and TV hosts all lining up to smack the birther piñata Dobbs had so proudly hung.

Watch again as Jon Stewart pummels the piñata and scoops up the treats:

Watching clips like that convinced me that Dobbs last week inadvertently, yet effectively, buried the birther movement as we know it. Despite its extraordinary resiliency (didn't the Obama campaign first try to debunk this story exactly 12 months ago?), I think by shining a spotlight on the birther conspiracy, Dobbs, rather than helping get questions answered, and rather than legitimizing the lost souls peddling the birther certificate nonsense, helped drive a stake through its heart. The media backlash that Dobbs set off made sure of that, and it made sure that nobody will ever take the birthers seriously again.

Think about it, without Dobbs suddenly out front leading the stragglers who make the birther parade, do you think NBC would have devoted four minutes of its Nightly News to thoroughly debunk the story? I doubt it. And that's why I think everyone now owes Dobbs a hearty round of applause. Because let's face it, he did in one week what nobody else had been able to do during the previous 51: put an end to the birther movement.

And while we're patting Dobbs on the back, I'm pretty sure Dobbs scared Limbaugh off the birther story -- or, more precisely, the pummeling Dobbs received scared Limbaugh off the birther story. And that's a big deal within the Republican Noise Machine. Birthers had been courting Limbaugh for months and cheered in June when the turbo talker at least made a birther joke on the air: "Barack Obama has one thing in common with God. Do you know what it is? God does not have a birth certificate either."

As David Weigel at The Washington Independent reported:

On June 16, after Limbaugh joked about the president's citizenship, WorldNetDaily editor-in-chief Joseph Farah appeared on the Web-based Recharge Radio to thank the host for spreading the "birther" message. "What that did is beyond Rush's impact," said Farah. "It also gives other talk show hosts license to talk about this issue ... Rush is kind of the standard of talk show hosts. A lot of people emulate what he does. He crossed the Rubicon on that show, and I'm very proud of him for doing it."

Earlier this month, just as the Dobbs circus was setting up shop, Limbaugh returned to the topic in a far more serious vein, saying: "Barack Obama has yet to have to prove he's a citizen. All he'd have to do is show a birth certificate."

That was July 20, around the same time Dobbs waded into the birther pool and just days before the CNN host ignited massive media blowback. But here's the tell: Have you noticed Limbaugh's deafening silence about the birthers since July 20th? Have you noticed how the birther movement was in the news virtually every day last week, how the mainstream press was debunking it and calling out the right-wing nonsense, how NBC's Nightly News referred to Limbaugh in its birther report, yet Limbaugh remained mum? Rather than step forward in his natural role as a birther defender and attacker of all-things Obama, Limbaugh has sat out the birther controversy and watched its members get mowed down in the press.

Limbaugh's scared to talk about the birthers and won't defend them because he has seen how Dobbs and the movement got manhandled by the press -- including by conservative commentators. In fact, Limbaugh himself took some friendly fire from Philip Klein at the far-right American Spectator who, under the headline, "Shame on Rush," announced: "To any sane human being, there is no controversy."

Limbaugh saw how the press was sticking to the birth certificate facts and wasn't shy about knocking down high-paid radio hosts who tried to traffic in that nonsense.

And guess what? If Limbaugh won't back the birthers, that means most right-wing AM hosts won't either. Because that business is built upon a very simple (lemming) rule: Do whatever Rush does. And if Limbaugh won't line up on the side of the birthers, than means most AM talkers won't either, which means the birthers are going to be pushed back to the fringes where they belong.

And for that, we have Lou Dobbs to thank.

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    • Author by shaggles (July 27, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
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      Conspiracy theories and right wing smears never die. I guarantee this will not be dismissed by the MSM when it is inevitably brought up again during the 2012 election cycle.
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      • Author by corporatemediawatcher7163 (July 28, 2009 7:58 am ET)
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        Yep, they're gonna save that guy for later.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (July 27, 2009 1:22 pm ET)
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      Dan Rather had his network career ruined by some forged documents, which may or may not have been reflective of facts, even if they were bogus. Will the same happen to Mr. Dobbs? Will he just retire quietly in the next few months? But, I do agree that Lou Dobbs provided a useful service, he did bring a wingnut theory into the withering light of day. Too bad Rush was cany enough to side step the slippery slope! And Glenn Beck, too.
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      • Author by nerzog (July 27, 2009 1:42 pm ET)
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        I'm convinced that Dan Rather was targeted by the Karl Rove machine, and the forged documents were a setup, which Rather walked right into.

        Dobbs, on the other hand, seems to have willingly and gleefully jumped off this cliff without any prompting from outside sources. I seriously doubt he'll share Rather's fate... but I will gladly admit error if proven wrong.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (July 27, 2009 1:48 pm ET)
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          I'm quite sure you are right about Dan being set up and we know he was the target of Conservative anger for years before his "retirement". But will CNN wish to have its credibility tarnished by his presense? Corporations don't like being embarassed publically. This may be where he finds out just who his corporate friends and enemies are.
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          • Author by DaisyS (July 29, 2009 6:02 pm ET)
               
            CNN better be careful; don't let Lou Dobbs ruin their reputation. I think he should go over to Fox Noise. People, just don't watch him, he is a Republican, very simple!
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        • Author by worrierking (July 28, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
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          I'm with you Nerzog. Dan was probably set up.

          I love how the birthers compare the two incidents. One incident used forged documents to back up what probably was the truth.

          The other denies real documents to formulate hatred for the president just because of his skin color.
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 29, 2009 1:28 pm ET)
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            This is something I've never seen cleared up.Three of you (Nerz, WK and epk) whose opinions I respect, based on your posts here, have referred to "forged documents".

            I know that was the accusation, but was that ever proved? I often ask conservatives for evidence of that when they claim that the docs were proven forgeries, but I still have never seen a conclusion.

            I didn't think it had been verified either way (genuine or forgery)

            Feel free to straighten me out, I've never gotten an answer to this.
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            • Author by pixiecherie (July 29, 2009 6:20 pm ET)
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              I, too, don't understand... the incident is true whether the docs were forged or not. It's like planting evidence in order to get a slam dunk in the courts when there is no evidence to support the facts. I'm from Texas, where his stupidity is just plain common knowledge.
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            • Author by NiceguyEddie (July 30, 2009 11:48 am ET)
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              I'm with you, Colonel.

              Guys, lets not start sounding like conspiracy nuts ourselves. I don't put anything past a scumbag like Rove, but let's not get to excited about the prospect that Rather was setup as opposed to just getting overly excited about a story and making a single error in judgement about a single piece of documentation.'

              Until we have some real evidence, let make sure we maintain some sense of logic and reason here. If we don't, no one will! ;)
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    • Author by captfoster2 (July 27, 2009 2:48 pm ET)
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      "I'm not sure I've ever seen such a well-deserved media pile-on. It's hard to see how Dobbs' career survives the humiliation."

      Dobbs career will survive for the same reasons Dan Rathers career was ruined for exposing the reality of Bush's lack of military past.

      The greedy nasty un-American right-wing corporations...

      Bush was their boy... Obama is not!
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      • Author by ruby (July 28, 2009 4:59 am ET)
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        Dobbs career will survive because he is a great reporter. Don't be to hasty as you may have to eventually eat your words.
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        • Author by worrierking (July 28, 2009 2:17 pm ET)
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          So now he's back to being a reporter?

          For the last week or so the right's response to criticism of Dobbsie is that he's NOT a reporter but a COMMENTATOR.
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 29, 2009 1:31 pm ET)
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            Conservatives are very flexible day to day,WK, especially for such inflexible types.

            They shape-shift from reporters to comedians to commentators to entertainers just as effortlessly as they move Obama from a weak-willed socialist to an iron-fisted dictator.
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        • Author by thejbomb65 (July 28, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
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          ok he got trashed by ann coulter on fox noise. you can't come back from that!

          his hypocracy is bad enough about immigration, considering was one, and his kids love of horses are the biggest employer of illegal immigrants.

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        • Author by dak (July 28, 2009 4:08 pm ET)
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          Heyyyyyy Ruby!
          After reading your posts here, I'm curious. Are you Lou Dobbins (sic) sister, or wife? You must be joking to support Louie Toons
          in anything. He has made a fool of himself and the right-wingers.
          Thanks Lou, for a really great side show.
          Dakotahgeo
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        • Author by snoopy (July 28, 2009 4:14 pm ET)
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          [http://static.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2009/07/BIRTHER_74b39.jpg]
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        • Author by rebopine (July 29, 2009 4:40 pm ET)
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          A great reporter would be someone who has an ounce of journalistic integrity and does not pass-off lies and half-truths as "news" reglardless of who they work for.

          Lou Dobbs is not a great reporter.
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    • Author by National_Insecurity (July 27, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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      Jim Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, has decided to wade in.

      The evidence demonstrates Inhofe is clueless. But we're dealing with a cohort for whom evidence and facts are second to beliefs.

      I would greatly appreciate using the birther fallacy to discredit people like Inhofe on a wide range of topics including healthcare. But for some inexplicable reason support of non-reality-based beliefs will likely increase Inhofes credibility with his core supporters.
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      • Author by rebopine (July 29, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
           
        That's exactly what I was thinking. No matter what they do or say, as long as they play to their base, they are untouchable.

        It makes you question the intelligence level of their core supporters, no?
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    • Author by hopalong (July 27, 2009 4:35 pm ET)
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      I love how CNN uses as a "reliable source", a person that claims to be A DENTIST, A LAWYER, and A REAL ESTATE AGENT.

      To paraphrase Jon Stewert, she can botch up pulling your teeth, sue herself and find you a Big Mansion - all in one-stop shopping.

      When CNN uses people like that for sources, you know you had better get your real news from The Daily Show.
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    • Author by winston smith 2 (July 27, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
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      Hey Eric....

      Saying that the birther movement is dead now, is a very "inside the beltway" thing to say...Cuz it is only dead in the establishment MSM....for now...

      This wing nuttiness is not going away.....Unless the repub leadership comes out strong in denouncing it.....

      But too many of them can not do that with out alienating much of their base........

      The GOP mob is out of the control of its masters....
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      • Author by ruby (July 28, 2009 5:03 am ET)
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        Not go away? Obama could put the whole thing to rest in an hour by just showing his long-form birth certificate or agree to release the microfilm in Hawaii of the long form. Man could he make some people look stupid. Wonder why he doesn't show the long form BC and make fools out of them all?
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        • Author by magnolialover (July 28, 2009 12:37 pm ET)
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          Because, it has ALREADY BEEN VERIFIED AND WAS AGAIN TODAY BY HAWAII!!
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        • Author by thejbomb65 (July 28, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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          yeah one slight problem with that. they don't get released to anyone! you only get the short form. the long form is locked in a vault at the state offices.
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        • Author by snoopy (July 28, 2009 4:16 pm ET)
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          Wonder why he doesn't show the long form BC and make fools out of them all?


          He doesn't need to, they are doing a good enough job on their own.
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 29, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
             
          Ruby, can you scan your long form BC and post it here? Just to show how easy it is, you should be able to do it in an hour, and really make some people look stupid.

          Thanks in advance.

          I'll check back.
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (July 29, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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            Almost two hours gone, Rube. You're not doing a real bang-up job of making anybody look stupid.

            Well, aside from one person.
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        • Author by historygeek001 (July 29, 2009 2:00 pm ET)
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          Ruby:

          Obama has already showed his birth certificate. Anybody who claims that the birfer bullsh!t is even remotely legitimate is delusional, lying, or both. People who bring this up can't oppose Obama on the issues so they invent a reason to attack him. There is no "controversy" because the facts cannot be disputed; he has proved without a doubt that he was born in Hawaii. At least stand up and admit why you don't like Obama, don't pretend that don't know where he was born. The birfers are racist and lack even the tiny bit of integrity that open white supremacists have that enables them to stand up and spout their garbage; instead they hide behind a lie that is so transparent that it's become a joke. That's repugnant.
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        • Author by rebopine (July 29, 2009 4:53 pm ET)
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          I'm new here, and this probably won't be posted but I just can't help myself.

          Ruby, What? Seriously, this has already been confirmed, documented and put to bed. The only people still saying the that he has not proven his legal citizenship are, you guessed it, Right-wing wacko's like Inhoff, Dobbs and thier ilk, so you must have been following their programs because you are spouting their taking points like a GOP robot.

          If you are really serious about this issue, and concerned about the welfare of our nation then do your research and you'll see that this is a non-issue, just a bunch of people desperatly trying to grasp at any straw within reach.

          Even Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh won't touch this, that's all the proof I need.
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    • Author by Meremark (July 27, 2009 5:17 pm ET)
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      Speaking of Lamebrain running away from 'the question,' Eric, blogger-in-action Mike Stark's video at Think Progress presents the footage of rightwing congressmen on the run:

      ThinkProgress.ORG/2009/07/27/stark-birthers-vid/

      The latest thought-balloon floating up -- 'bobbing on the surface like chunky hot chads' (apologies to Firesign Theatre's Georgie Tirebinder) -- posits that an Act of Congress can legitimize Obama in the eyes of the birthers.


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      • Author by eweston8542983 (July 27, 2009 8:02 pm ET)
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        Was that off an NPR Show?
        George Tirebiter is probably ok with the quote. Misspelling his name though, is worth an involuntary trip to Monster Island, Bucko!
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        • Author by Meremark (July 28, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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          That was off the top of my head.
          Maybe I need to go back for re-grooving.

          Why does the porridge bird try to lay its eggs bent on breaking the President?
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          • Author by eweston8542983 (July 28, 2009 4:33 pm ET)
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            I hear Austins voice mentioning chads in my head, but I don't remember where it came from.
            Da boyce are putting on a couple shows in LA in Mid October. Wish I could be there.
            The answer to the porridge bird egg question was theoretically answered in the episode,"Dream monster egg fool Young Guy."*
            From the wholly mythological series; YOUNG GUY, Motor Detective!

            * From, "Not Insane, Or, Anything You Want to."
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      • Author by ruby (July 28, 2009 5:08 am ET)
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        It wouldn't legitimize anything. No one will vote against HA in their celebration. That's just foolish thinking. Only one thing will legitimize Obama in their eyes...SHOW the long-form-birth-certificate! I know that is a very, very hard thing for Obama to accomplish but that's the only thing that will shut them up.
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        • Author by worrierking (July 28, 2009 2:22 pm ET)
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          You're delusional. Even the long form birth certificate you demand is going to say the same thing:

          FATHER'S RACE: AFRICAN

          And as long as it says that, you and your kind will always have problems with him being in the White House.
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        • Author by thejbomb65 (July 28, 2009 3:06 pm ET)
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          you should change your name ruby...to just rube.....cause seriously thats all you are. nothing more. you ever see silance of the lambs? that scene where hannibal lector rips clarice starling to shreds? calling her a well scrubbed rube? well thats all you are. i think even saying your a well scubbed rube is a strecth because you buy into a conspiracy theory that is more bogus than anything in history.
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    • Author by Token (July 27, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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      He's so afraid of the birther story that he referenced it just last Friday. From his website transcript, July 24:

      RUSH: Every day Barack Fonda is telling us who he is. Every day. He's Barack Fonda and Barack Nifong in one day. He's telling us exactly who he is. Pretty soon he's going to be… well, he's Barack Marx every day.

      CALLER: It's outrageous.

      RUSH: But now he's adding, you know, last names, and no birth certificate so he can paint whatever name he wants, Barack Nifong, Barack Fonda, it's a great point. I hadn't thought about that, about the parents, family members of those soldiers that are over there. This mission they're on, it's a huge offensive we're on, huge firefights are taking place.

      Some "deafening silence".
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      • Author by piniella (July 27, 2009 9:20 pm ET)
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        Fats also mentioned it on the 23rd:
        http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_072309/content/01125113.guest.html
        When I look at Obama -- who rides a cult not only of personality but also a culture of deception; when I look at the Saul Alinsky connection deceptions, the Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn and Jeremiah Wright; more recently the birth certificate falsification question; the stimulus lies; the health care results lies; the ACORN connection lies; the firing of the inspector general; and his agenda for us, which he's just not being forthcoming about -- all of these things fall into, in my opinion, this culture of deception.
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        • Author by ruby (July 28, 2009 5:34 am ET)
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          Yeah, I can look at that paragraph and think...hmmm, got some teeth in it.
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          • Author by thejbomb65 (July 28, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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            you can think? i mean actually think? the neo con hive mind allows that? wow and here i thought you were just repeating some bs talking point.

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    • Author by steeve (July 27, 2009 6:42 pm ET)
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      "The CNN host has permanently tarnished his reputation"

      Groan. The entire media's reputation was under twenty feet of dirt 15 years ago.

      The only positive of this is that it took time away from the media screwing up the discussion on important policy.
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    • Author by dogizzy (July 27, 2009 10:19 pm ET)
         
      I wish someone would call this out for what it is -- RACISM. If we don't label this properly, we will never get past it.
      There are those who can't tolerate the idea that we have a smart black guy running things in the white house. They need to know that America has moved forward and hate tactics will not be tolerated or exploited by newscasters or politicians.

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      • Author by ruby (July 28, 2009 5:12 am ET)
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        Give it a rest, will ya! Everything doesn't have to be about racism...put that d#@n race card back in your pocket. Some people can disagree without his skin color being the reason. Grow up!
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        • Author by thejbomb65 (July 28, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
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          really? our first black president and he is the only one who has ever had his citizenship challenged? thats not racisim right?

          what if john mccain had been elected. i think there is a more sound case for him being ineligible given that, he was born in the panama canal zone. which was land LEASED by the american government. and isnt even under US control anymore.

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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 28, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
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          Unless it is Sotomayor - then that is reverse racism - right, Ruby?
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      • Author by anyfreedomleft (July 28, 2009 7:07 am ET)
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        "call this out for what it is -- RACISM"

        sorry ... apparently, the only racism that occurs is happening to whitey ...
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        • Author by thejbomb65 (July 28, 2009 3:15 pm ET)
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          awww a black man is elected president and you feel left out. too bad so sad.
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    • Author by The Lonewacko Blog (July 27, 2009 10:55 pm ET)
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      Maybe one of these days, Eric Boehlert will look into the fact that in her "debunking" of this issue, Kitty Pilgrim of CNN outrageously lied.

      She said that HI's gov. had verified that BHO was born there, yet that never happened. In fact, at the link, you can see a form letter HI's gov. sends out informing people that it would be against the law for her to verify he was born there.

      It's odd what MMFA won't tell you, isn't it?
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      • Author by Cheney2012 (July 27, 2009 11:11 pm ET)
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        Not at all surprising...

        MMFA is expert at 'selective omission.'

        But no matter, the lemmings here just blindly follow into the abyss.
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        • Author by princeofwheels (July 28, 2009 12:01 am ET)
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          I blame this all on Hillary Clinton(D) and John McCain(R) and Sarah Palin(Q). I guess thier paid information finders didn't realize this fact although it was out in the open. If only they would have checked on this.
          I want to be a birther but none of them has yet to prove that Obama wasn't born in the US. I keep getting hung up on those newspaper announcements. Who put them there? Also, that phone interview with the stepgrandmother which is being upheld as a deposition gives me cause to believe that this is just idiocy. It was a translated over the phone call. You know, I would like to become as ignorant as these birthers but I can't find any factual basis to become one.
          Please give me your reasons why I should become one instead of just mocking MMFA. Can you do that, Please.
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          • Author by The Lonewacko Blog (July 28, 2009 1:18 am ET)
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            1. I'm not trying to prove that he wasn't born in the U.S. What I have proved is that the MSM is lying about this issue. No matter what MMFA thinks, that part isn't going away. For instance, this example of Howard Kurtz misleading will be online long after MMFA starts misleading about another issue.

            2. From my comment at mediamatters.org/columns/200907230005#529507

            4. Neither announcement listed a birth place or hospital, and no one has ever provided proof that such announcements could have only come from the birth hospital... Why isn't MMFA mentioning that the possibility that the announcements were planted by BHO's grandparents in expectation of a custody battle? That doesn't mean they did that. However, isn't MMFA misleading you when they only state one outrageous possibility rather than stating other more reasonable possibilities? Is MMFA dumb, or do they think you are?
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            • Author by NewBee (July 28, 2009 5:02 am ET)
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              Why isn't MMFA mentioning that the possibility that the announcements were planted by BHO's grandparents in expectation of a custody battle?
              Shhh...It's a conspiracy....Pass it on.
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            • Author by princeofwheels (July 28, 2009 5:09 am ET)
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              "not trying to prove that he wasn't born in the U.S..."

              Now I get it you have said you proved that the MSM is lying about this issue. So Obama was born in the U.S. and the MSM lies...OKAY.
              Next,the possibility.. his grandparents planted the announced for some reason...custody battle. OKAY.

              Thank you for you titilating insight and overwhelming body of proof that the MSM is lying and MMFA is dumb. But in the end, you must believe that the President is a US citizen.

              I personally think that Obama is an alien from outer space.
              Excues me for one moment..Could someone reheat this TEA, and use a new teabag? Back to my post, where were we, oh yes, the moon landing. Never happened...etc. etc. etc.
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              • Author by Tbone Slickens (July 28, 2009 6:07 pm ET)
                   
                Not so fast POW...The MythBusters debunked that one last year!
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                • Author by Tbone Slickens (July 28, 2009 6:08 pm ET)
                     
                  the moon landing. Never happened...etc. etc. etc.


                  The moon landing that is! ;)
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            • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (July 28, 2009 5:32 am ET)
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              Why isn't MMFA mentioning that the possibility that the announcements were planted by BHO's grandparents in expectation of a custody battle? That doesn't mean they did that. However, isn't MMFA misleading you when they only state one outrageous possibility rather than stating other more reasonable possibilities? Is MMFA dumb, or do they think you are?


              More reasonable? Are YOU serious?

              You think up some off the wall conspiracy where Obama's grandparents plant a birth announcement because they MIGHT have a custody battle?

              And considering Obama only meet his father ONCE since he was 2 years old, exactely WHO was going to be involved in this imaginary custody battle?

              Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff?
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              • Author by magnolialover (July 28, 2009 7:54 am ET)
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                In his tiny little mind. He's been pushing this meme for a week or more on here. It's as ridiculous as the birther stuff.
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                • Author by rtwmd1230 (July 28, 2009 9:36 am ET)
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                  Also, the editor of the paper has confirmed that the list of births is and always has been supplied by the state Department of Health. They don't allow psychic grandparents to call in and give false birth locations for future presidents of the United States.
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            • Author by Brabantio (July 28, 2009 8:52 am ET)
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              And I'm still waiting for the explanation as to how saying he was born in Hawaii instead of Kenya would have any bearing on this supposed custody battle. Without that, there is no assertion that this theory is in any way "reasonable".
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            • Author by captfoster2 (July 28, 2009 11:20 am ET)
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              "Why isn't MMFA mentioning that the possibility that the announcements were planted by BHO's grandparents in expectation of a custody battle?"

              Curious... Where precisely are you going with that? Unless you have proof that one or both families were not happy and that the marriage was on the rocks at the time...

              As of this moment, the only reason you or any other wing-nut would bring this crazy crap up is because you are desperate to be seen as legitimate. As if you have any credibility other than to repeat the racist talking points of the right-wing dunderheads!

              Dude! Get a f$&@ing life!
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          • Author by ruby (July 28, 2009 5:30 am ET)
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            Sure, that's easy enough. Just produce a copy of his long-form-birth-certificate and the whole thing will disappear like yesterdays sunset.
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            • Author by thejbomb65 (July 28, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
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              well if that were a requirement of any of our previous 43 presidents, i would agree with you. since it has never been a requirement until now. i must disagree with your idiocy.
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            • Author by IrishGirlSarah (July 29, 2009 1:02 pm ET)
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              Loser. Sad loser at that. If you had been in the delivery room when he was born, you'd probably still be spouting this nonsense. Tell yourself whatever you need to to sleep at night. You're a racist and we all know it.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (July 28, 2009 9:41 am ET)
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            To prince of wheels:

            Sarah Palin (Q)

            hahahahahahahaha!!!! I'm going to use that (with proper credit to you, of course)
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        • Author by snoopy (July 28, 2009 12:45 am ET)
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          Oh, look. Loony and his friend toonz have weighed in on the non issue with another one of their famous "yeah buts". I'm pleased to see two kind, fine, refined, and otherwise defined, highly outstanding, back slapping, cigar smoking young stud of southern gentlemen continue to promote ignorance in the name of racism.
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          • Author by ruby (July 28, 2009 5:28 am ET)
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            "southern gentlemen"

            Just what in their post made you decide they were from the south? Is it your elitist thinking that all people from the south aren't intelligent? Is that what you are implying? Do you think for one second that all "birthers" are from the south? Get off your pompous beanbag.
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            • Author by snoopy (July 28, 2009 3:58 pm ET)
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              Nah, it's my living in Texas and watching republicans from the south up close and personal that made me think that republicans from the south aren't intelligent. But my last statement was just something plebes at the Citadel had to say at the beginning of every meal, I tossed it in for the fun of it. Thanks for providing the laugh!
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        • Author by ruby (July 28, 2009 5:32 am ET)
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          The lemmings part is oh so true. Just can't take off those narrow-visioned glasses to take a look around the rest of the world.
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      • Author by magnolialover (July 28, 2009 7:57 am ET)
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        Hey, whacko, from today's MSNBC.com website:

        Hawaii health director speaks on Obama

        Will you give up your weak arguments now?
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        • Author by historygeek001 (July 29, 2009 3:26 pm ET)
             
          Whacko will never give up his arguments because they have nothing to do with what he says, he only wants to smear Obama. He doesn't care about reality.
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      • Author by The_Cat (July 28, 2009 11:11 am ET)
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        For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93

        STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO

        "There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
        "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
        "No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i.”


        Just for those who are curious, here is the body of the statement released by the state government of Hawaii. See the part where they have verified that then Senator Obama's original birth certificate is on record? That means he was born there, and they have the paperwork to prove it. Just because they won't release the birth certificate to any wackjob who wants a copy proves exactly nothing. The lemmings in this case are the birthers themselves.

        It's not the tiniest bit odd that MMfA is not in the habit of perpetuating lies, by the way.
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    • Author by jillriter (July 28, 2009 2:14 am ET)
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      Rush isn't afraid of a thing.
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      • Author by NewBee (July 28, 2009 5:03 am ET)
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        Rush isn't afraid of a thing.
        Probably true. However, Honduran boys are oddly afraid of his thing.
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      • Author by anyfreedomleft (July 28, 2009 7:05 am ET)
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        well, now that he's too old to serve, and we're out of Vietnam ...
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    • Author by mdgrv2003 (July 28, 2009 1:45 pm ET)
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      Right wing smears and conspiracies??? Let's all just calm down and look at the facts. Obama has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting Berg's lawsuits in court. Why spend all this money, and go through all this legal maneuvering if simply producing a legal and authentic birth certificate would make it all go away? Also, why are Mr. Obama's educatioanl records sealed from public inspection? What does he have to hide? Could it be he applied to these schools representing himself as a citizen of another country? Aren't we the citizens of the United States entitled to this information about our elected President?
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      • Author by magnolialover (July 29, 2009 9:53 am ET)
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        Everyone's records are sealed. You can't just come off the street and look at anyone's birth certificate.

        Who says he's spent hundreds of thousands of dollars? You have a link for that or proof?

        His educational records are sealed? Do you know that it's common practice to seal these things as pertains to someone being President? Again, education records are not public records. Again, go to a registrar, and try to get the educational records of someone you know that's not you, you can't do it, unless that person says you can. This is for, well, everyone.

        He didn't apply to school as a citizen of another country. That old carrot has been debunked time and again.

        Our president was born in Hawaii. He says so. Hawaii says so. His grandparents said so. His mother said so.

        Get a grip.
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        • Author by snoopy (July 29, 2009 10:38 pm ET)
             
          You don't really expect them to believe anyone except some senile old black woman, do you? In fact, that's probably the first time most of those racists ever believed a black person about anything.
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    • Author by seroquel (July 28, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
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      Hey Rube,
      NOBODY, I repeat, NOBODY gets the long form.
      Obama's birth certificate has more info on it than MINE does, and I know I'm a citizen. I was born in Pennsylvania.
      My birth certificate contains my parents names, the county and state of birth, MY full name, and the raised seal of the state of Pennsylvania.
      There's no mention of the hospital I was born at, nor the doctor who helped my mom.
      It has two signatures: The State Registrar, and the Secretary of Health.
      My date of birth, and my sex are also on my certificate.
      The file number, date filed, and date issued.
      My parents race isn't even mentioned.
      I'm calling it what it is: RACISM.
      And you're an idiot along with all these idiotic birthers.
      Get a life.
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      • Author by magnolialover (July 29, 2009 9:54 am ET)
           
        Mine only has my date of birth on it, and the signature of the town clerk. That's it.
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    • Author by jcutler9 (July 29, 2009 8:24 am ET)
         
      What I am wondering is, are all birth certificates issued in Hawaii over the last 50 years now suspect?
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    • Author by pixiecherie (July 29, 2009 6:32 pm ET)
         
      Maybe birthers (what a strange word!) don't know when Hawaii was annexed to the US? It would help the people who don't understand the phrase "Certification of Live Birth" if they were shown one that that says "Certification of Still-Birth?" Maybe they don't know that Muslim is not DNA-derived? Alternately, it would sound like this: I was Christianity-born! Perhaps they will only stop when we have a video of President Obama being issued forth from his mother's womb with a lei around his neck.
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