Time for media to clarify the health care debate
Depending on how you look at it, we're roughly six months or 60 years into the debate over whether and how the government should ensure universal health care for all Americans. And yet if there's one thing polling on the public's opinions about health care makes clear, it's that people are confused, holding a disparate mix of often contradictory views and frequently clinging to incorrect beliefs.
For reporters, there is a clear lesson in this: Put the polls down. Just walk away. Pay them no attention. Pretend they don't exist.
For one thing, whatever you think they mean, there's plenty of evidence to support the opposite interpretation.
For another, there just isn't anything particularly noteworthy in the results. People favor significant reform, think all Americans should have coverage, are concerned about how much it will cost, worry that change could make their own situation worse -- is any of this really surprising? Does anyone actually need a poll to tell them these things?
Put another way: When is the last time you saw a truly surprising poll result? When is the last time you saw poll data that showed that people don't care whether others have health insurance and don't think the government should have any role in health care whatsoever? Or the last time you saw a poll that found people were willing to pay higher taxes and lose the ability to choose their own doctors and cede health care decisions to the government if that's what it takes to get coverage for their neighbors?
Not only is the overwhelming majority of health care polling unsurprising, much of it is essentially meaningless. Take the oft-asked question of whether people approve of President Obama's handling of health care. That's a question the media love to tout -- but what does it mean? Basically nothing. If 60 percent disapprove, what does that tell us? Without knowing how many disapprove because they don't think the government should be involved in health care and how many disapprove because they think Obama should have won passage of a public option by now, the result doesn't tell us anything. Likewise, if 60 percent approve, we don't know why. Is it his emphasis on bipartisanship? His deference to Congress? His advocacy for universal coverage and a public option?
Then there's the truly meaningless. Take a look at this question from a new CNN poll:
If your member of Congress came to your community and held a town hall meeting or some other public forum where voters got a chance to speak, how likely is it that you would attend that event to tell your member of Congress what you think about health care? Would you be very likely, somewhat likely, not very likely, or not likely at all to do that?
Forty-one percent said "very likely" and 30 percent said "somewhat likely," and that doesn't tell us anything. Why not? Because we have nothing to compare it to. CNN has apparently never asked a question like this before -- about health care or any other issue. So we don't know whether those numbers are high or low; we don't know what the baseline is.
My suspicion is that if you asked people five questions in a row about, say, education -- an issue that hasn't gotten much attention in quite a while -- and then asked them if they would take the opportunity to tell their member of Congress what they think about education, a large number of respondents would answer affirmatively.
Here's an illustration of the importance of having points of comparison for poll data like this: In February, a CNN poll asked respondents how important it was for the president and Congress to deal with several issues. Eight-one percent said it was "extremely" or "very" important that they deal with education. Wow, 81 percent! That's huge, right? Well, no. The economy came in at 95 percent, terrorism at 82 percent, health care at 77 percent, Social Security and Medicare at 83 percent, taxes, 76 percent, Iraq, 75 percent, Afghanistan, 76 percent, energy policy, 73 percent ... you get the point.
So when a CNN poll finds that 71 percent of Americans say they're likely to attend a town hall meeting to tell their members of Congress what they think about health care but provides absolutely no other data to measure that result against, it doesn't really have much value at all. It tells us next to nothing.
Now add in the fact that it doesn't tell us how many of those 71 percent want to tell their member of Congress to stop screwing around and pass a public plan, and how many want to tell their member of Congress to keep the government's hands off their health care. It's pretty clear now that that 71 percent figure means much less than it seems, isn't it?
In fact, it means so little that I have a hard time believing it was actually intended to measure anything important. I suspect the sole reason it was included in the poll was so that CNN could include the result in their news reports about angry town hall attendees -- not because they thought it would actually be illuminative. It isn't compelling information; it's a prop.
Speaking about angry town hall attendees: Ignore them, too. A dozen people shouting at a town hall meeting -- even a dozen people shouting at each of a hundred town hall meetings -- just doesn't tell us anything meaningful about public opinion. It tells us that there are at least few thousand angry people, and that they're organized. We already know that.
Look: Sarah Palin drew big crowds last year -- and a lot of those people were angry. They yelled, they held up nasty signs, and they convinced a lot of the media there was some huge groundswell of opposition to Barack Obama. Then he went out and won North Carolina and Indiana.
Video of people yelling about health care may make for good television, but it makes for lousy journalism. It exaggerates the numbers and significance of the people who yell the loudest, whichever side they're on. (And this should go without saying, but a shaky cell-phone video that shows a half-dozen of the hundred people at a meeting, and that was provided by people who are trying to "artificially inflate" their numbers, is not a particularly reliable indication of what happened at that meeting.)
So, basically, there's no real value in reporting on polls or protests. How should news organizations cover health care reform?
Simple: Cover health care reform.
All those polls showing that people hold contradictory views and false -- or at least highly questionable -- beliefs about health care and efforts to reform it are a pretty good indication of what reporters should be doing: Reporting the truth, and doing it often. Giving people the facts about health care and about proposals to reform it.
When you see people yelling, "Keep your government hands off my Medicare," that's a pretty good indication that the public could use some solid facts. How many people do you think know that health care reform with a strong public option would cost taxpayers less than a plan without such an option? I would bet that a distressingly large number of members of Congress don't know that -- and that very, very few voters do.
People are understandably confused and unfamiliar with the facts -- there are an awful lot of people spending an awful lot of money to confuse them and keep them in the dark. And they don't have the time or the resources to sort through it all and find out whether reform would mean that a government bureaucrat is really going to show up at their door and tell them it's time to die in order to save taxpayers money. (No: That would not happen.)
As Brendan Nyhan notes, the media bear significant responsibility for this confusion:
Who's to blame for this problem? I largely fault the media. ... [I]t's extremely difficult to myth-proof a bill or to effectively counter these claims once they are made. Until the media stops giving airtime and column inches to proponents of misinformation, the playbook is going to keep working.
Nyhan doesn't go quite far enough, though. The media should not only stop giving airtime and column inches to liars and the lies they tell, they should affirmatively and aggressively report the truth. And they need to do so over and over again. Once is not enough. (To those who would respond that repetition is, by definition, not "news": Are you really prepared to argue that newscasts and newspapers don't repeat the same ideas over and over again? Really?)
If news organizations want to produce health care reporting that actually has some value, some utility to their readers and viewers, they'll forget about the polls and the protests and the politics and focus on making the actual facts about health care, and efforts to change the system, as clear as they can.
I know what many journalists will say: This is how things are. Political intrigue, controversy, polling, strategy, demonstrations -- these are the things the media cover. That's how it works.
No. That's how it doesn't work. That's how we have a public that is so badly confused about health care reform that polling on the topic is basically a useless bundle of contradictory results. That's how we have a situation in which more than half of the Republican Party doesn't know Barack Obama was born in the United States. And how is this approach working for the media? Public trust in and respect for journalists is not exactly strong -- and, as I'm sure most reporters have noticed, news organizations across the country are shedding employees in a desperate struggle to stay afloat.
So who are the old ways working for?
Jamison Foser is a Senior Fellow at Media Matters for America, a progressive media watchdog and research and information center based in Washington, D.C. Foser also contributes to County Fair, a media blog featuring links to progressive media criticism from around the Web as well as original commentary. You can follow him on Twitter and Facebook or sign up to receive his columns by email.




















1) we pay twice as much as other rich nations for health care
2) we cover only about 85% of our citizens compared to 100% for other rich natons
3) the health care we receive is no better than in other rich nations
4) all other rich countries have a government run health care system
Just imagine what would happen to the health care debate if these facts were leaked to the people.
FauxNews and radio pundits have conditioned naive Americans to believe these falsehoods that parallel your 4 facts:
1) We can afford to pay double because our standard of living and currency is so much higher
2) The 15% don't deserve or want coverage, and most are illegal immigrants and lazy shiftless minorities (even though quite a few are like us who are under insured due to false positives and pre-existing conditions),
3) Our healthcare is the best in the world (for the top 2-3% of income levels)
4) ours is the only free country left and by God we'll fight to the death to keep it the way it is (even if we're impoverished, in debt, uneducated, in poor health and unable to help either our children or elderly).
Finally, I'd not merely blame the media, but literally what has become of our system of governance. Money is more important than people. I'm an entrepreneur and capitalist, but Adam Smith feared when capitalism would have the financial clout to overwhelm democratic rule. Literally money = majority control.
With enough money one can not only buy the media's silence, one can buy congress, buy key opinion leaders (see AEI, Heritage, Cato, and buy thugs to silence the electorate.
that was a home run. The corporate media has spent most of their time pointing out how Democrats were having trouble agreeing on this or that.
That one is obvious, Mr. Foser; the old ways work perfectly for the corporate owners of the vast majority of the media who want to use "journalism" to advance their particular agendas. It works for laissez-faire "capitalists" who want government to do nothing but support shameless profiteering, no matter how many ordinary citizens are hurt by it. That is why your cri de coeur of the moment, no matter how just and how necessary to be said, must inevitably be drowned out by a corporate media horde who will fight for the "journalistic" staus quo to the last ditch and beyond...
Something actually closer to a Free Market would be a vast improvement.
It's a ginned-up game and it won't change. The media has a vested interest to trample health care reform because most of their ad revenue comes from HEALTH CARE COMPANIES.
It sounds corny, but it's true-- the explanation for this is as easy as that. The media companies are all on the take and they are NOT going to antagonize their big-bucks sponsors.
So, they're not going to change. By September, they will be much worse.
Clear, concise and partisan...and there's not a thing wrong with that. I'd welcome more Fosers in the media.
Will Lester, Katie Couric, Jennifer Loven
This needs so badly to be posted on every cubical and office of the working media.
I see nothing but, misinformation and confusion and people scared because they are not educated on the facts.
Instead we are treated to the theater of it all.
President Truman gave this speech just before I was born.
Still waiting...
No better expresssion of the need for national health insurance as a national-security concern...
I blame the media for this kind of ignorance. I noticed a similar cluelessness back during the stimulus debate in February. Journalists to stop trying to read minds and just get back to educating the public. You're right, polls are WAY overdone!
And because of that, all public opinion polls are trash. The public's opinion doesn't mean anything because the public doesn't know anything because the media doesn't tell them anything accurate.
If the media spews bull about health care, the public will tune in to the media for their health care news. If the media talks about kittens and rainbows, the public will go elsewhere for their health care news, and wherever they go will be as good as or better than what they're getting now.
I often compare many of the teleprompter-reading bobbleheads in the CCM (Corporate-Controlled Media) to ball-chasing puppies. They're cute, but they're ignorant, slobbering, wetting-themselves yappers.
Come to think of it, they like chasing kittens too.
The reason the media, democrats or the whitehouse has not refuted what you call lies - they can't because if you took the time to look in the house bill H.R. 3200 you will see much of what they are saying is true. Here are somethings to check and get your facts correct. I made it easy for you.
This is just a sample -
Sec. 122, Pg. 29, Lines 4-16 - YOUR HEALTH CARE WILL BE RATIONED
Sec. 123, Pg. 30 - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE deciding what treatments and benefits you get.
Sec. 142, Pg. 42 - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you.
Sec. 163, Pg. 58-59 beginning at line 5 - Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances & a National ID health care card will be issued!
Sec. 163, Pg. 59, Lines 21-24 - Government will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
Sec. 201, Pg. 72, Lines 8-14 - Government is creating an HC Exchange to bring private plans under government control.
Sec. 1121, Pg. 239, Lines 14-24 - The government will limit and reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income and poor are the ones affected.
Sec. 431, Pg. 195, Lines 1-3 - Officers and employees of HC Administration (government) will have access to ALL Americans’ financial and personal records.
I think I saw their descendants in Tampa last evening.
Make no mistake Mr. Obama is inciting violence with his speeches.
Priceless :)
That hasn;t happened and they are now in full panic.
Funny how how the left is all for organization as long as the "message" is right eh Fog?
Your idea of an Obama enemies list is just as preposterous as well. That's just a projection, because that's what Nixon did.
No meaningful debate can happen when the group is disrupted and discussion of the issues is halted. That much is obvious.
Whats also obvious, is that a 'meaningful debate' must include opposing views, else it is neither meaninfull nor is it a debate.
Both sides are a bit,,, off.
There is what I actually said,,, now, what are you talking about? Do yuou even know? Do you only read until a word you don't like makes your knee jerk, and then run with your imaginary ball towards some imaginary goalpost?
My own position on all that is a bit more complicated, (and I have hardly fleshed it out on these threads) I actually want serious reform. The whole system is completely screwed up, but I have little-to-no faith in this or any other Administration/Congress to actually do what needs to be done, without giving us something just as bad or worse in another direction.
I understand the point you are making, assuredly. I just don't happen to believe that the meetings those against are disrupting actually represent any bona-fide civil discourse, much less any citizen-involved democratic process. I think they are more akin to sound-byte sessions and political infomercials pitching for pre-orders of a mysterious wonder product that hasn't even been revealed yet, much less peer reviewed.
Removing some nutcase who's destroying a Town Hall Meeting is now "thuggery."
http://www.milehighnews.com/1editorialbody.lasso?-token.folder=2003-03-27&-token.story=43459.12&-nothing
Sure you can voice your point of view but you don;t have to destroy the meeting and if you do you will be arrested....
People were trying to get answers from their representatives about healthcare. When they were being continually stonewalled and lied to by theose reps they were getting angry.
It was not Thuggish. Nobody was under any threat of physical harm as we have seen perpetrated from the left the last few days.
(ask Claire McCaskill -- she disagrees with Gibbs/Obama/Pelosi)
Liar.
That isn't people who want to hear answers - they just want to shut the meeting down.
Have you seen the video, Cheney? It's on Youtube, and at another item at this site. It looks like initial reports by the media were the ones distorting things. Unless you have a very, very unique definition of thuggery.
1. How is it reform? They are just adding another option claiming it won't add to the deficit yet it will trillions of dollars we don't have to start.
2. Why is it every time conservatives protest it is seen as intimidation and an impediment to the democratic process. Yet when liberals and liberal groups protest it is seen as enlightening and an excellent showing of what America is all about.
Don't forget your free bumper sticker:
PROFITS OVER PEOPLE
Democrats are Bought and Paid for...
Republicans are Bought and Paid for...
We are all mad because we can not control which company/orgainization is going to control our lives next. Once someone tells us what is going on... Well we will follow that lead.
Everyone can admit to this fact, because we are not the ones paying them (Remember, they get to vote how they pay themselves)
PEOPLE OVER PROGRESSIVES
Point #2 - Makes absolutely no sense. So, I figure you're a conservative.
The CBO doesn't agree with you:
CBO
Is the CBO wrong?
We'll raise the top tax rate by a tenth of a percent if we need to cover something.
If all you want to do is catch the original poster in a technical violation, then never mind.
How bout we cut a war out!
The best advice I've seen on this forum all summer!
And if this is so important now, how come the president is on the sidelines when it comes to writing the bill?
How about the times when president obama was uncertain what was in the bill? Remember this exchange with a democrat blogger?
I'd say that's at least one aspect he should have know about because his staff would have been working with congress to put into law the things he believes in. He's either completely out of the loop or deceitful.
Maybe the President simply didn't want to answer some wingnut who didn't know what he was talking about?
Further, there isn't any bill yet. There are a number of proposals, and to pretend otherwise is disengenuous. I doubt that You've read all the variations. By the time there's an actual bill, Obama will have read all the provisions.
You assert that but why shouldthe president or his staff be working with Congress on specific language at this point. Obama has been hands off this bill from the beginning. You could have said "one would think..." or "maybe the president should..." but instead, you make a baseless assertion and then the usual he's out of the loop or deceitful... I don't know, maybe you are one or both?
Guess what, conservatives don't trust government, especially ones that are attempting to railroad significant changes in our country without at least providing the particulars.
You have no clue. You are clueless. Study how a bill becomes a law.
Unbelievable. Anyone know what "grade-level" that piece of legislative excrement was written at?
Perhaps there are a small handfull here who have actually read and think they actually understand that, but the average American? No way. Absolutely, positively no way.
Oh, and yes, Separation of Powers. The President cannot legislate over the 50 States.
1) the elderly will be subject to euthanasia or mandatory end-of-life counseling ( euthanasia just ain't in there and while MediCare will be required to PAY FOR end-of-life counseling, there is NO requirement that the elderly receive the counseling)
2) private insurance will be outlawed (no, insurers won't be able to issue new INDIVIDUAL - as opposed to group - policies which don't meet minimal standards)
I'm sure that you're interested in squelching disinformation where ever it is, right?
It's worse than that. If a poll said 71 percent of people were concerned and would attend a town hall, the MSM would immediately claim that meant 71 percent were against the Democratic plan.
Four or so years ago the media could have brought down the presidency with basic journalism. So the media has nothing to do with sensationalism or ratings.
I wish the politician/scum would leave it alone. All Politicians=Scum.
FOX News, BGH (Bovine Growth Hormone), Monsanto, Florida.
Look it up for yourself.
Whoever you'd like to thank for FOX News, you can start somewhere in the depths of Hell and end somewhere in a corporate corner office.
The hand behind its existence stops far, far short of God.
From the Ed show to Rachael Madow, MSNBC is covering the whole political spectrum with anti Obama commentary. They provide a complete picture of the political atmosphere. Lately, they have been taken pot shots at Barack Obama's entire support structure.
The Ed Show:
Day after day, Ed Schultz complains about how Obama is loosing his liberal base. He does this enough to put a serious dent in Obama's liberal support. By itself, it looks harmless; however, when you look at the total attacks lunched against Obama, there is cause for concern.
Polls Polls Polls
If you say it often enough, it will stick. This is the approach being done with the use of selective polls by Chris Matthews and others at MSNBC. Take a look at the Quinnipiac U. poll. What you find is that Matthews is using this poll to promote Obama's decline in public support The real truth is that it is the lowest out of the first ten polls listed. Why would Matthews and others at MSNBC use only this poll troubles me.
Give It To Me Now
It appears Obama is not working fast enough for Racheal Maddow. She wants Obama to change the status of the Gay people now. Right now. Or, night after night, this happen in May and June, Obama has been the butt of many complaints he is not for filling his campaign promises.
My point is clear, when you look at the entire coverage provided for Obama at MSNBC, you can see it has dangerous potential. There will me more to come concerning this sudden all out attack on the Obama administration by the media. Especially the attacks by MSNBC.
Joseph
OK First off the Ed Show is pounding Obama because he allowed congress to pollute the healthcare legislation with industry favors. Obama should have stepped in to reign them in. Should Obama just sit back and let the legislation be taken over by the lobbyists?
Polls Polls Polls
The Quinnipiac U poll was just the most current one. Had one of the others been more current they would have reported that one. I think you're being too defensive
Give It To Me Now
Obama has backed off his don't ask don't tell pledge completely while his administration has cited members of the military not being ready to handle the change. I strongly doubt Obama will ever get their approval to scrap don't ask don't tell. Remember, these are the same type of soldiers that had to be forced to integrate the military.
your point
Don't expect a fair media to be supportive of Obama 100% of the time. It's not an all out attack. For the most part MSNBC supports the Obama agenda. But Obama needs to stick his neck out and fulfill his promises.
If health care reform does not occur and health care plans become more costly, what do you think businesses will do? They will continue to shift costs to employees: deductibles will become much greater (health savings accounts), coverage of spouses and children will diminish, percentages of benefit costs paid by employees will increase, as will the share of premium costs. I'd like someone to provide some projections, say over the next 5 to 10 years, to show what is likely if there is no reform. If people who feel that health reform will rob them of their current benefits, perhaps they need to comprehend what those current benefits will be like in the future. I don't think they would be shouting down reform if they understood what is in it for them a few years ahead.
"you will give something up" to cover the uninsured.
This is how alleged Democrat Chris Matthews spun the issue in 1993: An undeserved entitlement for the uninsured.
Most people don't see the argument that when some homeless guy with double pnuenomia wanders into a Chicago emergency room and ends up catabolizing 5M worth of health care in two weeks, the hospital swallows the cost of that care. The overhead for this uncompensated care gets passed on to everyone- doctors, pharma companies, insurers, the government, and ultimately consumers. Near-universal coverage means tremendous cost savings, and you absolutely "do not" need to be altruistic to see this argument.
I have seen no figures that factor this into the calculations.