Media: Angry right-wingers are important; angry libs are annoying
I guess Howard Dean was just ahead of his time.
When the liberal anti-war candidate ran for the White House in 2003 and 2004, the Beltway press was uniformly clear that Dean had an "anger" issue. When Dean launched his campaign and gave voice to the hundreds of thousands of activists who had marched and protested against the Iraq war, the media elites did not approve.
As early as June 2003, The New York Times was fretting over whether Dean's "angry message" would be his downfall. "All the Rage," read a Newsweek headline on a Dean profile.
And in two features in the summer of 2003, The Washington Post described Dean as "abrasive," "flinty," "cranky," "arrogant," "disrespectful," "fiery," "red-faced," a "hothead," "testy," "short-fused," "angry," "worked up," and "fired up." And trust me, none of those adjectives was used in a complimentary way. In fact, the Post took pains to distinguish Dean's anger from that of then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, whom the paper termed "brilliantly cranky."
Bad luck for Dean, because back during the Bush years, there was really no worse crime, at least in the eyes of the Beltway press, than being "angry." (Especially being an angry Democrat.) It was practically a deal breaker. Serious people simply didn't conduct themselves that way in American politics. They didn't let their runaway partisan emotions get the best of them.
But oh my, how times have changed! Suddenly this summer, as right-wing mini-mobs turn health care forums into free-for-alls, as unhinged political rage flows in the streets, and as the Nazi and Hitler rhetoric flies, anger is in. Suddenly anger is good. It's authentic. It's newsworthy. Reading and watching the mini-mob news coverage, the media message seems clear: Angry speaks to the masses.
Instead of being turned off by the displays of passion the way they had been when liberal protesters took to the streets prior to the Iraq war, media elites have been touting the mini-mob trend as a "phenomenon" (USA Today) staffed by a "citizen army" (Bloomberg News).
And make no mistake, the health care mini-mobs have been showered with a massive amount of media coverage. During the week of August 10-16, the topic of health care, and specifically the politics and the protests of health care, accounted for a staggering 62 percent of all cable news coverage, according to the Pew Research Center's weekly survey. My guess is that you would be hard-pressed to find a single week during the run-up to the Iraq war when liberal anti-war protests accounted for just 6 percent of the cable news coverage.
Why the gaping disparity? And how come Dean's anti-war anger was out of bounds, but mini-mob anger is perfectly acceptable? How come liberal anti-war protesters were shunned by the press, but the mini-mobs are showered with incessant coverage? It's because apparently when angry -- and overwhelmingly white -- conservatives protest, they come attached with a direct line to the American psyche. Liberals, though, most certainly do not.
Bottom line: Liberal protesters don't tell us anything about the mood of America. But angry right-wingers do, according to the press.
That glaring double standard is part of a long-running Beltway press trend in which media elites lash out at angry liberals, regardless of whether they're right or wrong. The trend was highlighted again just last week when news broke that former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge admitted that very senior players in the Bush White House urged him to raise the nation's terror alert system for purely political reasons. Writing at The Atlantic, Marc Ambinder defended journalists who scorned liberal Bush critics years ago when they made that exact same claim about the nation's terror warning system. Journalists were right to dismiss the allegation, wrote Ambinder, "because these folks based their assumption on gut hatred for President Bush, and not on any evaluation of the raw intelligence."
Salon's Glenn Greenwald quickly noted, "As always: even when the dirty leftist hippies are proven right, they're still Shrill, unSerious Losers who every decent person and 'journalist' scorns."
Please note Ambinder's emphasis on "gut hatred" of Bush (even if the writer did later retract the phrase). For elite journalists during the Bush administration, liberal hatred of Bush represented the most conspicuous red flag that signaled certain political players were not serious. Why? Because they were fueled by hatred. Serious people did not have hatred. They weren't driven by out-of-control passion.
Now, please compare that defining media elite principle from the Bush era to the mini-mobs and the ugly free-for-alls they unleashed this summer. Judging based on the insight into the Beltway media's mentality that Ambinder provided, the press dismissed Bush's liberal critics because they were too emotional, too full of "hatred," and not paying attention to the facts. You mean sort of like the anti-Obama mini-mob members who hang politicians in effigy, turn town hall forums into fact-free shriek-fests, arrive with loaded guns, wave swastika posters, and yell out "Heil Hitler"?
If ever there's ever been a political movement fueled by, and carefully constructed around, irrational "gut hatred," it's today's right-wing mini-mobs. But you don't hear much from Village pundits like Ambinder about the "gut hatred" of Obama, do you? That doesn't seem to turn off pundits, reporters, or producers.
In truth, right-wing "gut hatred" has become the news story of the summer. It's being celebrated and rebroadcast all season long. That deranged "gut hatred" of a new president barely halfway through his first year doesn't delegitimize the protesters in the eyes of the Beltway press in the way the same press corps seemed to write off anti-war protesters as being fringe radicals. (Too angry!) The "gut hatred" of Obama is what makes the mini-mob news.
As Media Matters senior fellow Duncan Black wrote last week at his blog, Eschaton, in relation to the Tom Ridge story:
Sometimes it's a bit hard to remember just how nutty the world was in those post-9/11 days. Suggesting that Bush was using the terror alert for political purposes would have made you a crazy person, the mere suggestion of it would've put you outside the bounds of acceptable discourse.
Sort of like suggesting today that the federal government might soon be in the business of selectively killing the elderly, right? Think again. High-profile conservatives who pushed the "death panel" nonsense, which fired up the mini-mobs, have not been shoved to the sidelines. Instead, they've been politely fact-checked on occasion.
Media to liberal war protesters: Go away!
And just so there's no doubt in people's mind, the blanket coverage the mini-mobs are lapping up (i.e. the mobs are hugely important!) stands in stark contrast to the way the press often did its best to ignore liberal protesters who spoke out against the war in Iraq.
For instance, in October 2002, when more than 100,000 people gathered in Washington, D.C., to oppose the war, The Washington Post put the story not on the front page, but in the Metro section with, as the paper's ombudsman later lamented, "a couple of ho-hum photographs that captured the protest's fringe elements."
For that same 2002 anti-war rally, The New York Times also bungled its reporting. The day after the event, the newspaper published a small article on Page 8, which was accompanied by a photo that was larger than the article itself. And in the article, the Times falsely reported that "fewer people attended than organizers had said they hoped for."
Let's watch and see how the Post deals with the mini-mob protest slated for September 12 in Washington, D.C., sponsored by Dick Armey's FreedomWorks. If 100,000-200,000 people turn out, let's see whether the Post keeps that story off the front page. (Yeah, right.) And let's see if the Times runs a brief article on Page 8 and reports that "fewer people attended" than organizers had hoped.
And remember how some in the mainstream press in 2005 treated anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, whose son Casey had been killed while serving in Iraq? An op-ed writer for The Atlanta Journal-Constitution claimed that "Cindy Sheehan evidently thinks little of her deceased son." The piece also attacked her as being "disgraceful" and her actions as "near-treasonous."
On MSNBC, Norah O'Donnell asked a guest if Sheehan had become "a tool of the left," while pressing another guest on whether it was wise to be associated with the "anti-war extremists" camped out in Crawford, Texas, near President Bush's ranch. The Washington Post's Dana Milbank wondered if Sheehan would be remembered as a modern-day Lyndon LaRouche, the fringe political figure who's been accused of being a cult leader and fascist. Later that month, Milbank gave prominent display in the Post to a right-wing activist who accused Sheehan of being a communist.
On September 24, 2005, Sheehan helped lead a massive anti-war rally in Washington, D.C., which drew between 100,000 and 200,000 participants, making it the largest U.S. demonstration since the war began. As part of the protest weekend, Sheehan, along with about 370 anti-war protesters, got herself arrested outside the White House. That night, NBC's Nightly News completely ignored the arrests. (The Post gave the story 600 words on B1.) The evening newscasts on ABC and CBS mentioned the arrests only briefly, and CBS downplayed the numbers involved. It reported that Sheehan was arrested along with "dozens" of others. (What? As in 31 dozen?) And the next morning, ignoring the fact that nearly 400 people chose to be arrested in order to protest the war, CNN reported that "Sheehan and several others were arrested" [emphasis added].
If, come September 12, nearly 400 angry anti-Obama demonstrators decide to get arrested outside the White House, let's see if Nightly News boycotts the story. And let's see if CNN reports it was "several" protesters who got hauled away.
Let's see if the press continues to treat angry (unhinged) conservative protesters as inherently important and newsworthy after having spent years dismissing angry liberals as insignificant and out of the mainstream.
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If I had, I'd have made myself a nifty and clever little sign, and then interrupted some Congressional Democrat by shouting "I want my America back! We need to stop socialism now!", and have gotten my picture in so many American newspapers, and gotten so much video play on cable television, that I'd be more famous right now than Michael Jackson's doctor... maybe even more famous than Michael Jackson.
I'd probably be just a few more carefully crafted words away from being a GOP candidate for Governor somewhere, maybe even the next GOP Vice Presidential nominee, if I'd just known ahead of time how much free publicity there was, in being irrational and uncivil.
Teabagging hicks are stepping up their violence and terrorist activities:
Colorado Democratic headquarters vandalized
now, maybe you can explain why it's important that we know the politics of the perpetrator before we decide whether the act was heinous or not. hmmm? probably because it IS important, as discussed in the blog.
"In a sense. He wants a socialist government. That's how he's like Hitler. That's all they're saying.
So lets break this down:
Obama is like Hitler...how? Furthermore, how do you know Obama wants a socialist government?
"Wow, *shaking head*, you have no evidence but make outrageous claims."
no truer words have been spoken
ass
What is he trying to "take over"
socialism |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
• policy or practice based on this theory.
and know we all know what it really means
ass
As for the media treatment of lib protestors v. con protestors I'd say it's pretty much par for the course. The press seems to buy into the meme that "real Americans" are more conservative than liberal so to them a protest on the con side is really the voice of the people (even if it is apparently staged by corporate interests) and a protest on the lib side is just a bunch of elitists throwing a temper tantrum because they didn't get their way.
I don't think I'm too far off to think that all the science fiction I've read describing a world owned and operated by giant corporate conglomerates isn't that far-fetched a future.
The "mobs" at the town hall meetings are worried stiff (and they should be)about losing freedom to a growing, oppressive and intrusive big government. There is a big difference!
Since we're talking double standards, where are the anti-war crowds now that Obama is considering adding more troops to Afghanistan?
I'm not sure. Help me out, oh wise ancient one.
First it was Iraq. Now it's Afghanistan with strikes inside Pakistan killing innocents. And we also feel the need to threaten Iran. When does it end? Where's the change the "anointed one" promised?
Punk ass sissy.
There is this thing, called Google, you should try it.
First it was Al-Qaeda. Now it's the Taliban. If Obama wanted real change he'd pull all troops from foreign soil and have them defending our borders. That's not coddling terrorists (yet another fallback for those who try to argue why we stay in the Middle East), that's Constitutional.
But I forget, neither liberals nor conservatives care about the Constitution. It's just what they feel is best for their party is what matters. Who cares if we live under more tyranny than the Founding Fathers did when they fought against Britain.
Frankly, I Agree with you somewhat about Bin Laden. There is strong evidence that he was on the CIA's payroll right up to 9/11. That's a different subject altogether.
However, the initial post by machinehead went off topic to erroneously state that "liberals" voted for the Iraq war and off a tangent about the town-hall mad-tea-party people being worried about "losing their freedoms." Ugh...they must have snoozed through the ill-named "Patriot Act" and other abominations by the Bushies. Nope. The town hall kool-aid people are ill-informed and confused. Yet the corporate press takes them seriously and they get LOTS of airtime as if they had any kind of real point.
Let's really have a discussion about health care that isn't a bunch of idiocy.
Has your head exploded yet?
We live under more tyranny now then when we were fighting for our independence from England? BS call right there. What tyranny? Give me some examples of how your life is really that bad under our system of government. What have you wanted to do lately that you couldn't because your government is keeping you down? I'm sure the answer is, well, nothing.
You said that the FBI wouldn't even put Bin Laden on their top 10 list. I nailed you on that, and as Mary says below, then you change the argument, or change what you "meant". Admit it, you got drilled on that one.
AQ and the Taliban were, and are connected, as are Pakistan and AQ. I suggest you read the book Ghost Wars by Steve Coll for a better understanding of the dynamics of the region, and what was going on there before 9/11. Bush, and Obama currently, have the Constitutional authority to use force of our military in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was voted on by Congress and passed. I wish that they had made a declaration of war, but the war powers in the Constitution (that you seem to have no knowledge of) allow for this to happen without a formal declaration of war from said Congress. The Taliban supported AQ, Pakistan supported, and still supports on some levels, the Taliban. Pakistan, let me remind you, is fundamentally a radical Islamic nation with actual real live nuclear weapons. They are one coup away from being that country.
When has the media decried people criticizing Obama as racist when they're not being racist? Can you point me to some examples.
Here's the thing super chief. When we invaded Afghanistan, most of the liberals I knew were all for it. Go get those guys we said. Most of the liberals I know were NOT for going into Iraq because they had nothing to do with the attacks on our nation, and didn't have WMDs as we were being told that they did. The evidence was thin. We were anti Iraq war, not anti Afghanistan. Because, as mentioned to you before, the bad guys were in afghanistan, and NOT Iraq.
The FBI can't put Bin Laden on their most wanted list? Really? Have you looked at it lately, because there he is, on the top 10 most wanted list (looks like someone is making stuff up again).
Top 10 wanted list FBI...
Do you have an issue with pursuing the terrorists where they are? As in, Pakistan (where they've been hiding out since long before 9/11), and Afghanistan where the Taliban regime is also stashing them? I don't have a problem with that.
We haven't threatened Iran, yet, during the Obama administration. Remember, Obama said we should engage them diplomatically, and he was chastised for that.
I would disagree. I suspect it had more to do with the fact that they learned that the information that had been provided to them regarding the lead up to the war was not complete or trustworthy.
If an armed anti-war protester had showedupwhere Bush was speakinghe wouldhave been arrested at the least!!!!!Some people were who just showed up in anti -Bush /anti war T-shirts.Please explain the difference then and now!!!
Voting results
There were 6 republicans, and 126 democrats that voted against the resolution, along with 1 independent.
In the Senate, there was 1 republican who voted against, 21 democrats, and 1 independent.
Passed House: 297-133
Passed Senate: 77-23
Actually, machineshed, 21 Democrats voted against the Iraq resolution in the Senate and, I believe, 126 voted against it in the House. I don't want you to think I am delcaring some kind of intellectual superiority, but if you used the google you could save yourself looking so ridiculous. Do not believe what your radio and TV entertainers disguised as political leaders tell you. They are full of lies and make you look stupid when you repeat things like this.
Why it is considered flinty to protest the inevitable deaths of Americans (Name a war that doesn' have death) but when idiots think they are LOSING choice with a Public health care option, it's the "voice of the people"? Sooooo, we need to obey the stupid then?
GW Bush, wrapped in the American flag, and eating freedom fries on the deck of an aircraft carrier, telling everyone....
"trust us....9/11"
"patrotism......9/11"
"mushroom clouds, yellow cake, don't let the terrorists win....9/11"
Was the message being put out to a stunned nation. Bush scared the crap out of an already scared populace, and used it to his advantage.
Fast forward 7 years, and here we have the depleted GOP using the only too they have left in the woodshed. Scaring the bejeezus out of little old ladies and the ill-informed sheep who rely on cable "opinion news" shows.
Death Panels. No Choice. Rationed Medicine. Etc.
I can almost picture Condi Rice standing at a podium...
I believe that the only fair way to characterize the liberal response to Bush is to say our "derangement" was utterly well-founded. There certainly was no attitude toward Bush in 2000 that paralleled the viciousness at McCain rallies last fall; even during the Florida recount, by far the worst behavior came from the "Sore Loserman" right-wingers. However, beginning with Bush/Cheney's decision to take their razor-thin "victory" as a hard-right mandate (abrogating the ABM treaty in service of missile defense, rolling back environmental protections, handing the surplus out to the wealthy, using the Homeland Security department to gut civil-service benefits, etc., etc.), the Bush administration made clear they didn't give a damn what (more than) half the country thought.
Still, we gave Bush an inordinate amount of room to operate after 9/11 -- can anyone imagine the wingnuts doing anything besides pointing fingers immediately at Obama in a similar situation, much less what they would do if it turned out Obama had actually been negligent, the way Bush was about tracking terrorists through 2001?
It wasn't until the Iraq War plans became clear -- history's greatest non sequitur -- that liberals actually became angry at the damage being done to America's people, finances and values by the Bush administration. And it's really not necessary to recite the litany of Bush failures, incompetence, corruption and illegality to note (as history no doubt will) that liberal anger toward all of this was utterly appropriate and correct, and based not on any kind of irrationality but on a proper response to Bush's actions and inactions.
On the other hand...the right wing's actions toward Obama reflect nihilistic petulance, at-times unadulterated racism, and a complete lack of respect for American democracy. Obama won his election legitimately -- easily, even -- yet the right absurdly seeks to de-legitimize him at every turn. Elections have consequences -- once Bush was installed as president, his tax cut was recognized by both sides as a done deal, and the only fight was over its size and (un)fairness. Yet "mainstream" Republicans (as if that term isn't an oxymoron these days) are using lies and belligerence as a substitute for reasoned debate to deny Obama any success whatsoever on healthcare, the principal issue on which the winning Democratic campaign was based.
Eric's column nicely laid out the obscene differences in coverage of the antiwar movement in '03-'05 and this year's teabaggers, and history should record the media's failures. But it must also record the substantive differences between the two sides of our current hyperpartisan divide.
These days I imagine what would happened if the above scenario had instead Obama in the White House on 9-11. To say it would be ugly would be an understatement.
WHY does the media let the lies continue to seem credible.Very little challenge until recently and just the obvious ..like "Death Panels"
We are going backwarsd at an alarming rate given the available platforms for divisve, hyperpartisan,racist,baseless, attacks from the Right!
The media ownership issue is another area that can be useful. MMfa and the rest of the liberal blogosphere continue the nuts and bolts of responding to this extremely corrupt media machine.
Yup sucess will not be soon, but it could be televised.
Cause all of these people are "real americans" as defined by the right.
I do think media ownership plays a big role as well.
If you bothered to think, you would have realized that you've only been instructed that Newsweek and The NY Times are in the tank for Obama, and you're ignoring your lying eyes in order to cling to the liberal media myth you've been fed.
You should. It would be one big ego trip because it's all about you.
Giving money to the poor is a temporary solution. It's human nature (usually) to have a lack of incentive when things are handed to you.
Fail. Again, you must be insulated from reality. Do you know any poor people? I doubt it.
Your view of poor people as lazy good-for-nothings who sit around and eat Pringles and drink Mountain Dew all day while playing video games waiting for their welfare check to come in the mail is DISGUSTING.
I'd believe you except the vast majority of Bush's tax cuts went to the top 1% of earners. How'd that work out?
And Reagan and Poppy Bush both RAISED taxes.
So again, another FAIL.
Not all poor people are lazy and I never claimed that,
Boy, I only have to scroll up 2 posts to find this nugget of wisdom:
It's human nature (usually) to have a lack of incentive when things are handed to you.
Have you ever read the NY Times OR Newsweek?
In the tank for Obama is NOT what any reasonable person would call them.
That's your ideal of liberalism?
That's what we've been trying to tell you, Colbert. Stop and think and then you won't say such stupid things. Do you know who Judith Miller is?
Good for you! You are actually further ahead than the other mouth breathing knuckle draggers, but perhaps you could get it through to them...
http://hij.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/14/2/212
starker
Is it an assumption, or a theory based on the empirical evidence on hand?
Really? Cause given the study I linked to and other ones that clearly demonstarte that folks that get their news from Faux News (overwhelmingly conservative) are usually less informed than those obtaining their news from other sources.
Here's one of the those study's...
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/714.html
Are you serious? Man, sorry, but you're a class A Moron. I get tired of molly coddling conservatives on this website. Seriously, why come on here if all you're going to do is repeat falsehoods that are easily disproven? Somebody is a S&M addict.
Yes, I know you don't get the joke. That's what makes your satire so excellent.
But, seriously, since you think the New York Times cannot be trusted because it is in the tank for the left - please explain the run-up to the Iraq war and Judith Miller. Do you know who she is?
Link to article at BusinessAndMedia.org
These double standards are ridiculous.
Christian" label.
2. They lie profusely, in fact, it's a pathological thing with
them.
3. To Christians lying is supposed to be a sin, and is
supposed to be prohibited.
4. Therefore, "Christian" is simply a label they use to win
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Yeah, Katie Couric is Ed Murrow. Right.
Check it out: You are disqualified if you can't answer the questions-
"What newspapers do you read?"
"What is the Bush Doctrine?"
The only conspiracy is in Palin's head. And, apparently yours. PROVE there was a conspiracy against Palin, Contard. Otherwise, get off the website.
I despise extremes on both sides. The right wingers who carry swastikas and the left wingers who did the same. If it was indeed right wing kooks that vandalized the office, shame on them. If it was left wingers trying to masquerade as right wingers, shame on them too. But these are not the vast majority of the town hall crowds nor those who are writing their Senators and Representatives. These nut cases are not the regular folks who are scared for the future.
I don't think you folks have any idea how stirred up the regular people are about all this right now.
Some of you complain about how George W. Bush ran the economy into the ground. If what he did was wrong and harmed the economy, how in the world can you support the current rush to fund seemingly innumerable new programs?
You look with horror on George Bush's One and a half trillion deficit but seem to have no problem with the 9 trillion dollar deficit projected under the new programs by the White House's own budget team today.
So what gives?
Are you all really that blind?
This has nothing to do with race, as far as I am concerned. And if there is anger and if there is fear it has very little to do with selfishness and a great deal to do with the fact that we are preparing to tax and spend our nation into oblivion.
What the town hall crowds, the real town hall crowds, (not the lunatic fringe) are saying is, let's fix the economy first, then maybe we will have some revenue to deal with other things.
I believe it was the Clinton team that coined the phrase, "It's the economy stupid". President Obama and the Congress has best learn that lesson.
As for the rest of you commenting on this article; You would be very unwise to ignore the very real and very deep sentiments behind the town hall meeting crowds, and you do truth a disservice by calling them "mobs". If The congress disregards the polls and the fear and pushes through this health care bill in spite of it all, they may very well sink the Obama administration and the Democratic majority in the process.
You may think that your way of thinking is the majority opinion,
however if you want to govern you had better bring some of the independents in the middle with you. If the Blue Dog democrats don't remember this they will find themselves out of a job come 2010.
This has nothing to do with race, as far as I am concerned
Wrong. Cue crying woman at town hall: "I want my country back!" (from the black man).
they may very well sink the Obama administration and the Democratic majority in the process.
Wrong. People will actually like that fact that they can't lose their coverage with the stroke of a bean counter's pen.
I continue to ask the question, and never get an answer. From Rep. Weiner: "What do insurance companies bring to the table in regards to health care?"
Nice try at a reply to you too.
I notice that you put the (from the black man) in parentheses and not in quotations. At least you were honest enough not to put it in quotes. All this demonstrates is that you can presume to speak for the woman by devining her thoughts. I can do the same thing:
"I want my country back!" (from the tax and spend left).
As to people liking the "fact that they can't lose their coverage with the stroke of a bean counter's pen"; I have never seen better bean counters than those who work for the federal government. Have you not seen that there are folks on Medicare who have been denied treatment or had it postponed?
I continue to ask the question and never get an answer: If the public option is so good why isn't the President and Congress willing to switch their plan to the public option?
Since you didn't comment on the totally frightening bulge in the deficit I am guessing that I have a point there. Y'all screamed at George W. for spending irresponsibly. Why is it now suddenly ok to triple or quadruple that irresponsibility under a Democratic administration and Congress?
Now, as to the photos in the blog that showed shattered windows at the Democratic Headquarters in Colorado: It has now been made known that the suspect arrested is a democrat who has been in trouble with the law previously and has ties to various Democratic activist groups. So in order to make a point about race hatred this man was willing to commit vandalism and blame it on right wing extremists.
I still haven't seen a good explanation of why we need to overhaul the entire health care system to provide coverage to a minority of the citizens. That's like throwing away a bike with a bad tire.
Just fix the tire.
Or more accurately, since they do have public healthcare, why don't they just get a private plan if it's so good?
"Since you didn't comment on the totally frightening bulge in the deficit I am guessing that I have a point there. Y'all screamed at George W. for spending irresponsibly. Why is it now suddenly ok to triple or quadruple that irresponsibility under a Democratic administration and Congress?"
See my lengthy response downthread.
OK, how about this crying town hall teabagger: "This isn't the America I remember" - referring to the black man in the White House.
Have you not seen that there are folks on Medicare who have been denied treatment or had it postponed?
Fail. Please provide evidence or this remains another fear-based talking point.
And, in case you missed it, thousands are losing their coverage EVERY DAY due to these lesser bean counters at the insurance companies. And...about politicians moving to the public option, it's not that the public option is so good, it's that the public option should exist to give basic health care to all so 18,000 of your fellow Americans don't DIE each and every year.
And..you didn't answer my question about what insurance companies bring to the table. And...about deficits, I thought they didn't matter (except when a Democrat is in the White House?)
I point you to Wednesday's NY Times. There was a story about a Georgia man whose mindset reminds me of yours. This formerly apolitical man went to a town hall because he was concerned about health care reform. He's in his early 60's, soon-to-be covered by that evil plan called medicare.
His wife had breast cancer. She was covered, EXCEPT for some procedures that left him with a $60,000+ bill. Eventually, the hospital forgave it (maybe he played golf with someone from the hospital - who knows).
But in the article, this man says he doesn't mind having a safety net, just as long as the safety net doesn't include TOO MANY PEOPLE.
There you have it. Just can't insure too many poor people because, darn it, then we just might have to spend a little more money. Just keep on sufferin' and dyin' because I want that new caddy and need to re-up my country club membership.
Profits over People. You've earned your bumper sticker.
http://cjonline.com/news/state/2009-08-26/jenkins_remark_raises_eyebrows
I just asked politely, so unless you can provide a source that proves that it is NOT about race, then what you say may have some merit.
but please, stop being an ass.
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And these nutcases you speak of are embraced by Republican leaders like, Dick Armey, when his FreedomWorks institution trains operatives in the art of disrupting the town halls. These nutcases are embraced by Republican leaders like Sarah Palin when she feeds the rightwing lunatic fringe talking points, aka, death panel memes. No, dude. republican leaders are allies of the extreme right. The right works to actually mainstream extremists through the likes of Beck and Limbaugh cheerleading for them. Not so on the left. Democratic leaders are not friendly with far left activists.
Your concern over deficit spending is a false equivalence. Bush spent to kill Iraqis and to fill the pockets of mercenaries. Obama, for the most part, is spending to bolster the well being of the much neglected working American. Sure he is blowing it by continuing to funnel money to Wall St, where that money is quickly transformed into executive bonuses, but at least the stimulus has mitigated the ferocity of this recession by putting people to work.
You say let's wait. Let's fix the economy first. That's crazy talk. Americans are suffering and dying because of the failure of insurance company health care. 50 million have no insurance at all, and millions of those who do are denied necessary care or lose their insurance. We are in a healthcare emergency.
However, we do agree that the town hall agitators have very real concerns for very real reasons. We simply disagree on who the villain in the story is. I think the bad guys are the insurance company bureaucrats who make their bones by telling doctors no, we won't pay for your patient's care. I disdain them and if I went to their board meeting to protest their wasteful inefficient greed, I would be jailed.
You think the villain is the publicly accountable, public servant who is constitutionally bound to respect the rights of town hall teabaggers to air their differences. You think the bad guy is a public institution that was created of, by and for the people.
I can see our disagreement. Can you?
At least we have that option with our elected representatives.
You are right to point out the Bush spending reality but why did it not get this type of concerned voice back then from the conservatives!??
Hell is a better place tonight.
Kennedy is a disgrace. Yes, he’s a national figure but he LOATHED the military. Bury him in a cess pool, where he truly belongs.
I also like the poster with the visuals further down, the gun paranoia and especially "The Storm". The wingnuts sure love them some flags, eagles, and pompous patriotic bluster about nothing.
Well, these should be the issues. But to the fear-mongers it's death panels, pulling the plug on granny, death books, inept government, etc. etc. It's like they just can't realize that we're paying TWICE as much as other industrialized countries for an inferior system.
The issue is about living a healthy (and hopefully) long life.