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Media: Angry right-wingers are important; angry libs are annoying

August 25, 2009 8:21 am ET

I guess Howard Dean was just ahead of his time.

When the liberal anti-war candidate ran for the White House in 2003 and 2004, the Beltway press was uniformly clear that Dean had an "anger" issue. When Dean launched his campaign and gave voice to the hundreds of thousands of activists who had marched and protested against the Iraq war, the media elites did not approve.

As early as June 2003, The New York Times was fretting over whether Dean's "angry message" would be his downfall. "All the Rage," read a Newsweek headline on a Dean profile.

And in two features in the summer of 2003, The Washington Post described Dean as "abrasive," "flinty," "cranky," "arrogant," "disrespectful," "fiery," "red-faced," a "hothead," "testy," "short-fused," "angry," "worked up," and "fired up." And trust me, none of those adjectives was used in a complimentary way. In fact, the Post took pains to distinguish Dean's anger from that of then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, whom the paper termed "brilliantly cranky."

Bad luck for Dean, because back during the Bush years, there was really no worse crime, at least in the eyes of the Beltway press, than being "angry." (Especially being an angry Democrat.) It was practically a deal breaker. Serious people simply didn't conduct themselves that way in American politics. They didn't let their runaway partisan emotions get the best of them.

But oh my, how times have changed! Suddenly this summer, as right-wing mini-mobs turn health care forums into free-for-alls, as unhinged political rage flows in the streets, and as the Nazi and Hitler rhetoric flies, anger is in. Suddenly anger is good. It's authentic. It's newsworthy. Reading and watching the mini-mob news coverage, the media message seems clear: Angry speaks to the masses.

Instead of being turned off by the displays of passion the way they had been when liberal protesters took to the streets prior to the Iraq war, media elites have been touting the mini-mob trend as a "phenomenon" (USA Today) staffed by a "citizen army" (Bloomberg News).

And make no mistake, the health care mini-mobs have been showered with a massive amount of media coverage. During the week of August 10-16, the topic of health care, and specifically the politics and the protests of health care, accounted for a staggering 62 percent of all cable news coverage, according to the Pew Research Center's weekly survey. My guess is that you would be hard-pressed to find a single week during the run-up to the Iraq war when liberal anti-war protests accounted for just 6 percent of the cable news coverage.

Why the gaping disparity? And how come Dean's anti-war anger was out of bounds, but mini-mob anger is perfectly acceptable? How come liberal anti-war protesters were shunned by the press, but the mini-mobs are showered with incessant coverage? It's because apparently when angry -- and overwhelmingly white -- conservatives protest, they come attached with a direct line to the American psyche. Liberals, though, most certainly do not.

Bottom line: Liberal protesters don't tell us anything about the mood of America. But angry right-wingers do, according to the press.

That glaring double standard is part of a long-running Beltway press trend in which media elites lash out at angry liberals, regardless of whether they're right or wrong. The trend was highlighted again just last week when news broke that former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge admitted that very senior players in the Bush White House urged him to raise the nation's terror alert system for purely political reasons. Writing at The Atlantic, Marc Ambinder defended journalists who scorned liberal Bush critics years ago when they made that exact same claim about the nation's terror warning system. Journalists were right to dismiss the allegation, wrote Ambinder, "because these folks based their assumption on gut hatred for President Bush, and not on any evaluation of the raw intelligence."

Salon's Glenn Greenwald quickly noted, "As always: even when the dirty leftist hippies are proven right, they're still Shrill, unSerious Losers who every decent person and 'journalist' scorns."

Please note Ambinder's emphasis on "gut hatred" of Bush (even if the writer did later retract the phrase). For elite journalists during the Bush administration, liberal hatred of Bush represented the most conspicuous red flag that signaled certain political players were not serious. Why? Because they were fueled by hatred. Serious people did not have hatred. They weren't driven by out-of-control passion.

Now, please compare that defining media elite principle from the Bush era to the mini-mobs and the ugly free-for-alls they unleashed this summer. Judging based on the insight into the Beltway media's mentality that Ambinder provided, the press dismissed Bush's liberal critics because they were too emotional, too full of "hatred," and not paying attention to the facts. You mean sort of like the anti-Obama mini-mob members who hang politicians in effigy, turn town hall forums into fact-free shriek-fests, arrive with loaded guns, wave swastika posters, and yell out "Heil Hitler"?

If ever there's ever been a political movement fueled by, and carefully constructed around, irrational "gut hatred," it's today's right-wing mini-mobs. But you don't hear much from Village pundits like Ambinder about the "gut hatred" of Obama, do you? That doesn't seem to turn off pundits, reporters, or producers.

In truth, right-wing "gut hatred" has become the news story of the summer. It's being celebrated and rebroadcast all season long. That deranged "gut hatred" of a new president barely halfway through his first year doesn't delegitimize the protesters in the eyes of the Beltway press in the way the same press corps seemed to write off anti-war protesters as being fringe radicals. (Too angry!) The "gut hatred" of Obama is what makes the mini-mob news.

As Media Matters senior fellow Duncan Black wrote last week at his blog, Eschaton, in relation to the Tom Ridge story:

Sometimes it's a bit hard to remember just how nutty the world was in those post-9/11 days. Suggesting that Bush was using the terror alert for political purposes would have made you a crazy person, the mere suggestion of it would've put you outside the bounds of acceptable discourse.

Sort of like suggesting today that the federal government might soon be in the business of selectively killing the elderly, right? Think again. High-profile conservatives who pushed the "death panel" nonsense, which fired up the mini-mobs, have not been shoved to the sidelines. Instead, they've been politely fact-checked on occasion.

Media to liberal war protesters: Go away!

And just so there's no doubt in people's mind, the blanket coverage the mini-mobs are lapping up (i.e. the mobs are hugely important!) stands in stark contrast to the way the press often did its best to ignore liberal protesters who spoke out against the war in Iraq.

For instance, in October 2002, when more than 100,000 people gathered in Washington, D.C., to oppose the war, The Washington Post put the story not on the front page, but in the Metro section with, as the paper's ombudsman later lamented, "a couple of ho-hum photographs that captured the protest's fringe elements."

For that same 2002 anti-war rally, The New York Times also bungled its reporting. The day after the event, the newspaper published a small article on Page 8, which was accompanied by a photo that was larger than the article itself. And in the article, the Times falsely reported that "fewer people attended than organizers had said they hoped for."

Let's watch and see how the Post deals with the mini-mob protest slated for September 12 in Washington, D.C., sponsored by Dick Armey's FreedomWorks. If 100,000-200,000 people turn out, let's see whether the Post keeps that story off the front page. (Yeah, right.) And let's see if the Times runs a brief article on Page 8 and reports that "fewer people attended" than organizers had hoped.

And remember how some in the mainstream press in 2005 treated anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, whose son Casey had been killed while serving in Iraq? An op-ed writer for The Atlanta Journal-Constitution claimed that "Cindy Sheehan evidently thinks little of her deceased son." The piece also attacked her as being "disgraceful" and her actions as "near-treasonous."

On MSNBC, Norah O'Donnell asked a guest if Sheehan had become "a tool of the left," while pressing another guest on whether it was wise to be associated with the "anti-war extremists" camped out in Crawford, Texas, near President Bush's ranch. The Washington Post's Dana Milbank wondered if Sheehan would be remembered as a modern-day Lyndon LaRouche, the fringe political figure who's been accused of being a cult leader and fascist. Later that month, Milbank gave prominent display in the Post to a right-wing activist who accused Sheehan of being a communist.

On September 24, 2005, Sheehan helped lead a massive anti-war rally in Washington, D.C., which drew between 100,000 and 200,000 participants, making it the largest U.S. demonstration since the war began. As part of the protest weekend, Sheehan, along with about 370 anti-war protesters, got herself arrested outside the White House. That night, NBC's Nightly News completely ignored the arrests. (The Post gave the story 600 words on B1.) The evening newscasts on ABC and CBS mentioned the arrests only briefly, and CBS downplayed the numbers involved. It reported that Sheehan was arrested along with "dozens" of others. (What? As in 31 dozen?) And the next morning, ignoring the fact that nearly 400 people chose to be arrested in order to protest the war, CNN reported that "Sheehan and several others were arrested" [emphasis added].

If, come September 12, nearly 400 angry anti-Obama demonstrators decide to get arrested outside the White House, let's see if Nightly News boycotts the story. And let's see if CNN reports it was "several" protesters who got hauled away.

Let's see if the press continues to treat angry (unhinged) conservative protesters as inherently important and newsworthy after having spent years dismissing angry liberals as insignificant and out of the mainstream.

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    • Author by Dem02020 (August 25, 2009 9:10 am ET)
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      I wish I had known ahead of time how much media attention would have been lavished on the lunatic fringe that disrupted those 'town hall' public gatherings.

      If I had, I'd have made myself a nifty and clever little sign, and then interrupted some Congressional Democrat by shouting "I want my America back! We need to stop socialism now!", and have gotten my picture in so many American newspapers, and gotten so much video play on cable television, that I'd be more famous right now than Michael Jackson's doctor... maybe even more famous than Michael Jackson.

      I'd probably be just a few more carefully crafted words away from being a GOP candidate for Governor somewhere, maybe even the next GOP Vice Presidential nominee, if I'd just known ahead of time how much free publicity there was, in being irrational and uncivil.
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      • Author by shaggles (August 25, 2009 11:42 am ET)
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        Irrational and uncivil for the right.
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        • Author by dr. matt (August 25, 2009 5:47 pm ET)
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          Teabagging hicks are stepping up their violence and terrorist activities:

          Colorado Democratic headquarters vandalized
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          • Author by Sheldonb (August 25, 2009 9:48 pm ET)
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            I am not sure that was done by a right-wing tea-bagger. Did you take a good look at the article with the photo. The article describe the suspect as a "he" but appears to be a "she" to me. By appearance it seems she looks like an anarchist black blocker to me. Then they escape on bicycles, does that sound like a right-wing thing to do?
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          • Author by Yikes! (August 25, 2009 10:14 pm ET)
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            is there proof that crazy right wingers did this?
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            • Author by johnmartin7507 (August 26, 2009 2:04 pm ET)
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              why is PROOF always required when a republican has performed some heinous act, but all a democrat has to do is THINK something that's a little beyond the pale and their career's finished? it's been a long, long 8 years.

              now, maybe you can explain why it's important that we know the politics of the perpetrator before we decide whether the act was heinous or not. hmmm? probably because it IS important, as discussed in the blog.
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          • Author by NoLibtards (August 26, 2009 1:48 am ET)
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            The person arrested for this is a Democrat who was trying to frame conservatives for the damage. Funny, that is just about how your politicians go about their business too.
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            • Author by shaggles (August 26, 2009 11:52 am ET)
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              Do you have a source for that? Because the linked article says he's not on the voter roles. The only known association with Dems according to the article is through the accountant for his 527 org.
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            • Author by snoopy (August 26, 2009 1:46 pm ET)
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              Nah, the person who did this is a reichwing christian. Only reichwing christians would stoop to such lowly tactics steeped in hate and anger.
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              • Author by starkcr31 (August 27, 2009 11:17 am ET)
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                Wow, *shaking head*, you have no evidence but make outrageous claims. Typical liberal behavior.
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                • Author by bermensch (August 27, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
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                  typical conservative response
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                  • Author by starkcr31 (August 27, 2009 2:01 pm ET)
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                    What, speaking the truth? Yeah, I hate when that happens.
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                    • Author by bermensch (August 27, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
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                      You're right. I hate it when that happens as well

                      "In a sense. He wants a socialist government. That's how he's like Hitler. That's all they're saying.
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                      • Author by bermensch (August 27, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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                        *hit save before i was done

                        So lets break this down:
                        Obama is like Hitler...how? Furthermore, how do you know Obama wants a socialist government?

                        "Wow, *shaking head*, you have no evidence but make outrageous claims."

                        no truer words have been spoken


                        ass
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                        • Author by starkcr31 (August 27, 2009 3:20 pm ET)
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                          Let's see, how do I know. Well, he is attempting government takeover of all the major industries. Go look up Socialism since you apparently don't know what it means.
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                          • Author by bermensch (August 27, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
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                            Any proof to that?
                            What is he trying to "take over"

                            socialism |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|
                            noun
                            a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
                            • policy or practice based on this theory.

                            and know we all know what it really means


                            ass
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                      • Author by starkcr31 (August 27, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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                        Are you saying that Hitler didn't want that?
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                        • Author by bermensch (August 27, 2009 3:41 pm ET)
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                          I do know that HItler was a totalitarian...but not a socialist.
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          • Author by National_Insecurity (August 26, 2009 3:06 am ET)
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            Appears to be just another anarchist instead. We have them in Berkeley and when their trust fund checks are late they get upset.
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    • Author by only_myschly3567 (August 25, 2009 9:43 am ET)
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      Amazing article. I'm still waiting for the day when I won't be surprised at the double standard. You'd think I was desensitized by now?
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    • Author by Victor Colorado (August 25, 2009 11:14 am ET)
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      We committed trillions of dollars to killing thousands of Iraqis while today’s teabaggers ignored politics from the sidelines. Not these over-brewed dimwits are up in arms over the notion that we’re spending money in America to help America. USA! USA! USA!
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      • Author by Victor Colorado (August 25, 2009 11:25 am ET)
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        Thanks, thumbs down wimp!
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        • Author by eweston8542983 (August 25, 2009 3:28 pm ET)
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          Couple of them out today. A silent geek, ops, greek chorus.
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          • Author by snoopy (August 25, 2009 4:31 pm ET)
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            Geek ops. Love it!
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            • Author by snoopy (August 25, 2009 5:02 pm ET)
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              Speaking of geek ops, now the reichwingers are destroying democratic headquarters. What's next, murder if you can't subvert democracy to force your minority views on the country?
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            • Author by snoopy (August 25, 2009 5:12 pm ET)
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              And another interesting story from MSNBC of all places! We've got ourselves a baptist fundamentalist actively praying for the death of our president from his pulpit. Imagine that, using religion to promote hatred?
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              • Author by snoopy (August 26, 2009 1:22 am ET)
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                Imagine that, giving a thumbs down because I posted a fact about a religious fundamentalist praying for Obama's death? Tells ya alot about our little reichwing hitch hiker.
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                • Author by snoopy (August 26, 2009 2:33 am ET)
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                  looking at the targeted thumbs down it's becoming clear our reichwing hitch hiker doesn't like facts that show reichwing christians in a bad way!
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                  • Author by historygeek001 (August 26, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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                    In 1935 Sinclair Lewis said "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." He was right, and the reichwingers prove it.
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                  • Author by seroquel (August 26, 2009 5:39 pm ET)
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                    No, they don't, because they think religious freedom means ONLY Christian viewpoints. No other religion is allowed to have a viewpoint. Hypocrites.
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    • Author by JoeyP (August 25, 2009 11:24 am ET)
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      Great Piece! Thank you for setting the record straight I'll be following the Sept 12 protest coverage
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    • Author by shaggles (August 25, 2009 11:40 am ET)
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      I don't think anyone has ever been as unjustly maligned as Cindy Sheehan. But remembering her stand outside Bush's ranch I have to wonder what would have happened had she been openly carrying a firearm. I guess we'll never know.

      As for the media treatment of lib protestors v. con protestors I'd say it's pretty much par for the course. The press seems to buy into the meme that "real Americans" are more conservative than liberal so to them a protest on the con side is really the voice of the people (even if it is apparently staged by corporate interests) and a protest on the lib side is just a bunch of elitists throwing a temper tantrum because they didn't get their way.
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      • Author by dr. matt (August 25, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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        But remembering her stand outside Bush's ranch I have to wonder what would have happened had she been openly carrying a firearm. I guess we'll never know.
        The reich-wing teabaggers would have called her a terrorist, demanded her arrest and torture, and would have been screeching endlessly for months at a time.
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      • Author by MidWestThnkr (August 25, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
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        Corporate interests who 'help' stage protests AND own television stations or at least pay big advertising dollars. Gee, I wonder why the status quo is the 'real America' and a progressive agenda for change is the dirty, hippie, elitist, fringe element.

        I don't think I'm too far off to think that all the science fiction I've read describing a world owned and operated by giant corporate conglomerates isn't that far-fetched a future.
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    • Author by Obama '12 (August 25, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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      From this "debate", I learned that Republicans can do whatever they want and we can't do a damn thing about it unless we buy a major TV network and turn it into a liberal Fox News. As we all should know by now, it's impossible to get anywhere without owning the media, even when you have the House, Senate, and the White House. Why else are Republican racists who have no valid points getting the air time to spew pointless hate while Democratic anti-war protesters, who turned out to be completely right get no airtime in a positive light? If this continues, I might move to another country the second I get a chance.
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      • Author by TexasPatriotGirl (August 27, 2009 7:35 pm ET)
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        Wow, you must really watch ALot of CNN, MSNBC and the like, 'cause you truly have no idea of what is Really Going On In This Country right about NOW! You are just another Mindless Sheep being lead around by the neck by Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Bernanke, Frank and the Endless Corrupt Whores that are Selling us All out in the U.S.A., and you're just to ignorant to See It. This is Precisely what Hitler was able to achieve. WTFU.I suppose you think it's A-OK to Shut Down Radio/TV programs that tell All the info, All Sides, whether it's Dem or Repub? This is how we get our information.If they get this done, and TV/Radio/Internet are basically Shut Down and Monitored by "The Government" just how in the H*ll are Americans' suppose to Know What the H*ll is Going On In Our Country? Do you want us to be treated as the Chinese people are treated by Their Government? Because that's Exactly Where They Are Trying To Herd All Of Us! So, STFU and WTFU!
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    • Author by machinehead (August 25, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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      Here is the difference: most Liberals voted on the Iraq war, and agreed that intelligence reports indicated weapons of mass destruction. But later, decided to start generating outrage against the incumbent Republican to foster a positive public perception of democrats in the next election. They bark at the administration as an effort to prove some kind of "moral superiority".

      The "mobs" at the town hall meetings are worried stiff (and they should be)about losing freedom to a growing, oppressive and intrusive big government. There is a big difference!
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      • Author by snoopy (August 25, 2009 1:02 pm ET)
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        Oooooh, scary scary black man coming to take away your freedoms! Quick, crank up the ovens and purge the nation!
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        • Author by TheAncients (August 25, 2009 3:15 pm ET)
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          Ah, charges of racism again. The "go to" for the media and anyone who cries when Obama is challenged. You sound just like Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center.

          Since we're talking double standards, where are the anti-war crowds now that Obama is considering adding more troops to Afghanistan?
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (August 25, 2009 3:39 pm ET)
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            Maybe because that's where the Taliban is and they were behind the 9/11 attacks. Could that be it? Could it be that we're finally going after Bin Laden?

            I'm not sure. Help me out, oh wise ancient one.
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            • Author by TheAncients (August 25, 2009 3:50 pm ET)
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              Oh the Taliban. That's right. First it was Al-Qaeda. Now it's the Taliban. Who next? Michael Myers from the Halloween films? And Bin Laden? The man who the FBI won't even put on its ten most wanted list because they have nothing to charge him with? (Words from FBI officials by the way)

              First it was Iraq. Now it's Afghanistan with strikes inside Pakistan killing innocents. And we also feel the need to threaten Iran. When does it end? Where's the change the "anointed one" promised?
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              • Author by all your eyes (August 25, 2009 4:11 pm ET)
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                The change the "anointed one" promised???? He promised to fight the war in Afghanistan, and to pursue Taliban and al-Qaeda leadership inside Pakistan. You have a problem with that? You prefer to coddle terrorists? Give me a break.
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                • Author by starkcr31 (August 27, 2009 2:37 pm ET)
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                  If you think the current administration isn't coddling terrorists then you clearly have no idea what's going on.
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                  • Author by TexasPatriotGirl (August 27, 2009 7:42 pm ET)
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                    AMen! Finally the voice of reason! Thanks for your post. Keep 'em coming!
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                  • Author by roundhouse (August 28, 2009 1:59 am ET)
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                    Then just declare civil war if you think the current administration is in league with terrorists.

                    Punk ass sissy.
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              • Author by magnolialover (August 25, 2009 4:29 pm ET)
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                Wrong about the FBI list.

                There is this thing, called Google, you should try it.
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                • Author by TheAncients (August 25, 2009 5:29 pm ET)
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                  Oh, sorry. My mistake. I should clarify. Read the top ten. Where on that description for Bin Laden does it mention 9/11? Why, I look at the site now and see not one thing mentioned connecting him with that day. So please cut the crap. Bin Laden had as much to do with 9/11 as Bush Jr. has to do with Christianity--nothing.

                  First it was Al-Qaeda. Now it's the Taliban. If Obama wanted real change he'd pull all troops from foreign soil and have them defending our borders. That's not coddling terrorists (yet another fallback for those who try to argue why we stay in the Middle East), that's Constitutional.

                  But I forget, neither liberals nor conservatives care about the Constitution. It's just what they feel is best for their party is what matters. Who cares if we live under more tyranny than the Founding Fathers did when they fought against Britain.
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                  • Author by mary59 (August 25, 2009 7:22 pm ET)
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                    Somehow I doubt that it's worth wading into your dogmatic philosophy of life. However, YOU said "man who the FBI won't even put on its ten most wanted list" and when you get nailed on that one, you change the argument. Lame.

                    Frankly, I Agree with you somewhat about Bin Laden. There is strong evidence that he was on the CIA's payroll right up to 9/11. That's a different subject altogether.
                    However, the initial post by machinehead went off topic to erroneously state that "liberals" voted for the Iraq war and off a tangent about the town-hall mad-tea-party people being worried about "losing their freedoms." Ugh...they must have snoozed through the ill-named "Patriot Act" and other abominations by the Bushies. Nope. The town hall kool-aid people are ill-informed and confused. Yet the corporate press takes them seriously and they get LOTS of airtime as if they had any kind of real point.

                    Let's really have a discussion about health care that isn't a bunch of idiocy.
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                    • Author by starkcr31 (August 27, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
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                      Let me see if understand this correctly. You think Bin Laden was working for the CIA? You are so bat-sh*t insane that anything that come out of your mouth can be dismissed as the ramblings of an insane person. I don't think I'd even believe you if you said the sky was blue.
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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (August 27, 2009 7:39 pm ET)
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                        You have to go back to the 80's, you know, before you were born. The CIA funded the Taliban against the USSR. Bin Laden was there, using CIA funds to battle the Russkies.

                        Has your head exploded yet?
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                        • Author by roundhouse (August 28, 2009 2:02 am ET)
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                          Word. Dude needs to check out Donald Rumsfeld's history in the Middle East.
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                  • Author by magnolialover (August 26, 2009 8:41 am ET)
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                    Liberals do indeed care about the Constitution. First of all, can you tell us one thing Obama has done that's un-Constitutional? You can't, because there is nothing (that's not to say he won't do something un-constitutional, but this is why we have checks and balances). The man being President, can't just do what he wants. We have laws, and they are being followed. If you think something is un-Constitutional, you know what you can do? File a lawsuit in a federal court on the merits of what you think your case is, and see if the judges on said courts agree, or disagree with you. You, and me, and everyone in this country has a recourse to address what we believe is un-Constitutional. Can't do it yourself? Contact the ACLU, they'll help you out if they believe indeed, that what you're saying, or believe is un-Constitutional indeed is.

                    We live under more tyranny now then when we were fighting for our independence from England? BS call right there. What tyranny? Give me some examples of how your life is really that bad under our system of government. What have you wanted to do lately that you couldn't because your government is keeping you down? I'm sure the answer is, well, nothing.

                    You said that the FBI wouldn't even put Bin Laden on their top 10 list. I nailed you on that, and as Mary says below, then you change the argument, or change what you "meant". Admit it, you got drilled on that one.

                    AQ and the Taliban were, and are connected, as are Pakistan and AQ. I suggest you read the book Ghost Wars by Steve Coll for a better understanding of the dynamics of the region, and what was going on there before 9/11. Bush, and Obama currently, have the Constitutional authority to use force of our military in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was voted on by Congress and passed. I wish that they had made a declaration of war, but the war powers in the Constitution (that you seem to have no knowledge of) allow for this to happen without a formal declaration of war from said Congress. The Taliban supported AQ, Pakistan supported, and still supports on some levels, the Taliban. Pakistan, let me remind you, is fundamentally a radical Islamic nation with actual real live nuclear weapons. They are one coup away from being that country.

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          • Author by magnolialover (August 25, 2009 4:29 pm ET)
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            Well, honestly if there is someone who knows about Racism, it's Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, and everyone that works there. Funny though, I haven't heard them weigh in on whether or not conservatives have racist towards Obama.

            When has the media decried people criticizing Obama as racist when they're not being racist? Can you point me to some examples.

            Here's the thing super chief. When we invaded Afghanistan, most of the liberals I knew were all for it. Go get those guys we said. Most of the liberals I know were NOT for going into Iraq because they had nothing to do with the attacks on our nation, and didn't have WMDs as we were being told that they did. The evidence was thin. We were anti Iraq war, not anti Afghanistan. Because, as mentioned to you before, the bad guys were in afghanistan, and NOT Iraq.

            The FBI can't put Bin Laden on their most wanted list? Really? Have you looked at it lately, because there he is, on the top 10 most wanted list (looks like someone is making stuff up again).

            Top 10 wanted list FBI...

            Do you have an issue with pursuing the terrorists where they are? As in, Pakistan (where they've been hiding out since long before 9/11), and Afghanistan where the Taliban regime is also stashing them? I don't have a problem with that.

            We haven't threatened Iran, yet, during the Obama administration. Remember, Obama said we should engage them diplomatically, and he was chastised for that.
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          • Author by snoopy (August 25, 2009 4:34 pm ET)
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            Yeah, it kinda hurts knowing that supporting your base means coddling racism, fascism and fundamentalism. Y'all are just full of isms!
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        • Author by TexasPatriotGirl (August 27, 2009 7:40 pm ET)
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          Why don't you Leftist Sheep call him what he is? He Is A Bi-Racial Man! He is Not Solely Black! He is not Solely White! He Is Bi-Racial! His Mom was White. His Dad was Black! get It? Got It? Good!
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      • Author by rms (August 25, 2009 1:07 pm ET)
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        "But later, decided to start generating outrage against the incumbent Republican to foster a positive public perception of democrats in the next election."

        I would disagree. I suspect it had more to do with the fact that they learned that the information that had been provided to them regarding the lead up to the war was not complete or trustworthy.
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      • Author by SMTDL (August 25, 2009 1:37 pm ET)
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        No equivalency here..who are the "most Liberals voted on the Iraq war and agreed"?...The senate vote was 58 yes so I believe some Democrats voted with Bush but they were moderate or conservative ones.Still a lot of people(media,elected officials,citizens) questioned the accuracy of the intelligence and were attacked,ignored or painted as unpatriotic..even the nay-sayers within the administartion were sent packing!!!!The media networks were strong armed and backed off(all documented)It's turns out that key intelligence was ignored to make the case for war and for justification after the war started.These town hall mobs have nothing to justify this behavior and disruption..No increase in taxes..loss of freedoms..where is the tyranny/facism?? Spending to help the economy (which began under Bush)..the same Bush who squandered a surplus with a 1.5 trillion dollar tax cut while spending a trillion dollars on a useless war..and not a peep out of these same people.The hypocrisy and racism of these protests are beyond obvious.Too many making excuses and in denial about the motives.Sure everyone is concerned about spending but Nazism/facism..racist signs emails all over...why isn't this called out by conservatives as being wrong!??? Clinton wasn't called a nazi for pushing universal Health Care ..Bush wasn't called a nazi by these conservatives/libiterians/Constituionists for illegal wiretaps and monitoring citizens even tho that was as close to facism as we've seen in history!!!!Only 8 months and they cry for impeaching a democratically elected President!!! Why is it always wrong for Government to solve problems..what is oppressive about that??What freedoms were lost with Social Security,Medicare,FDA,EPA,etc...Are we not better off with these Government programs?Bush grew government Big Time..nothing said about it tho!!!!Why is that???
        If an armed anti-war protester had showedupwhere Bush was speakinghe wouldhave been arrested at the least!!!!!Some people were who just showed up in anti -Bush /anti war T-shirts.Please explain the difference then and now!!!
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        • Author by magnolialover (August 25, 2009 3:02 pm ET)
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          Here is a link noting the voting results from the authorization to use force in Iraq:

          Voting results

          There were 6 republicans, and 126 democrats that voted against the resolution, along with 1 independent.

          In the Senate, there was 1 republican who voted against, 21 democrats, and 1 independent.

          Passed House: 297-133
          Passed Senate: 77-23
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      • Author by catfish1968 (August 25, 2009 1:38 pm ET)
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        Millions of people protested against the war. Millions. Your mob is is tiny compared to the "liberals," who protested. (Liberals -is that the only word you've got?)
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        • Author by MidWestThnkr (August 25, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
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          Yes, but you have to say it with a dirty sneer and like it leaves a bad taste in your mouth - liiiberals. Then finish with a little shudder.
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      • Author by shaggles (August 25, 2009 1:46 pm ET)
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        The 100,000 people at the anti-war rally that the media essentially ignored did not vote on the Iraq War.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (August 25, 2009 4:50 pm ET)
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        "Here is the difference: most Liberals voted on the Iraq war, and agreed that intelligence reports indicated weapons of mass destruction. But later, decided to start generating outrage against the incumbent Republican to foster a positive public perception of democrats in the next election. They bark at the administration as an effort to prove some kind of "moral superiority"." - machineshed


        Actually, machineshed, 21 Democrats voted against the Iraq resolution in the Senate and, I believe, 126 voted against it in the House. I don't want you to think I am delcaring some kind of intellectual superiority, but if you used the google you could save yourself looking so ridiculous. Do not believe what your radio and TV entertainers disguised as political leaders tell you. They are full of lies and make you look stupid when you repeat things like this.
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      • Author by wookie (August 25, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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        Which freedoms are you losing and how does that compare to Wiretspping Bush and Personal Hit Squad Cheney?
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        • Author by phredicles (August 25, 2009 11:54 pm ET)
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          Why, the freedom to be bankrupted if I get sick. The freedom to have insurance company bean-counters looking to make a profit determine whether I get covered for the health care I need. Not the freedom to tote a big, terrifying weapon of mass destruction outside the building where the president is speaking, mind you; that appears to be safe. But still, this must be exactly how it felt like to be Solzhenitsyn! Bllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
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      • Author by skatscan5624 (August 25, 2009 8:22 pm ET)
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        The Democrats who (didn't) voted for the war (No one voted for war) were hardly liberals. The liberals were the protesters and they were more than a million strong on the streets of the cities back in 2002-2003. The intelligence reports, even then were thought of as shaky.

        Why it is considered flinty to protest the inevitable deaths of Americans (Name a war that doesn' have death) but when idiots think they are LOSING choice with a Public health care option, it's the "voice of the people"? Sooooo, we need to obey the stupid then?
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      • Author by bobmarley (August 26, 2009 4:11 am ET)
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        Baloney!

        GW Bush, wrapped in the American flag, and eating freedom fries on the deck of an aircraft carrier, telling everyone....

        "trust us....9/11"
        "patrotism......9/11"
        "mushroom clouds, yellow cake, don't let the terrorists win....9/11"

        Was the message being put out to a stunned nation. Bush scared the crap out of an already scared populace, and used it to his advantage.

        Fast forward 7 years, and here we have the depleted GOP using the only too they have left in the woodshed. Scaring the bejeezus out of little old ladies and the ill-informed sheep who rely on cable "opinion news" shows.

        Death Panels. No Choice. Rationed Medicine. Etc.

        I can almost picture Condi Rice standing at a podium...
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        • Author by TexasPatriotGirl (August 27, 2009 7:53 pm ET)
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          Let me see if I understand you, You blame Bush? Again? You Sheep think Tea Parties are trying to Scare you? Listen to everyone, listen to no one, then make a decision. The German people in the '30s and '40s were told the same crap and they didn't Wake Up until it was Too Late and then WW11 happened and they were controlled and silent. I don't care about Party lines. All I care about is My Country and My Freedom!
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      • Author by TexasPatriotGirl (August 27, 2009 7:37 pm ET)
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        You hit the nail on the head! Bravo! Finally, Someone here with a Free Thinking Brain! There's Hope Yet!
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    • Author by jonfromcali (August 25, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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      I've been trying since at least last year's campaign to parse out the differences between liberals' anger toward Bush's administration and policies and the right's pure, venal hatred toward Obama. It seems to me that, having successfully forced the BS concept of "Bush derangement syndrome" onto the media as a talking point in 2003-06, conservatives have now used the opening they created to legitimize their own rabid frothing over the past year.

      I believe that the only fair way to characterize the liberal response to Bush is to say our "derangement" was utterly well-founded. There certainly was no attitude toward Bush in 2000 that paralleled the viciousness at McCain rallies last fall; even during the Florida recount, by far the worst behavior came from the "Sore Loserman" right-wingers. However, beginning with Bush/Cheney's decision to take their razor-thin "victory" as a hard-right mandate (abrogating the ABM treaty in service of missile defense, rolling back environmental protections, handing the surplus out to the wealthy, using the Homeland Security department to gut civil-service benefits, etc., etc.), the Bush administration made clear they didn't give a damn what (more than) half the country thought.

      Still, we gave Bush an inordinate amount of room to operate after 9/11 -- can anyone imagine the wingnuts doing anything besides pointing fingers immediately at Obama in a similar situation, much less what they would do if it turned out Obama had actually been negligent, the way Bush was about tracking terrorists through 2001?

      It wasn't until the Iraq War plans became clear -- history's greatest non sequitur -- that liberals actually became angry at the damage being done to America's people, finances and values by the Bush administration. And it's really not necessary to recite the litany of Bush failures, incompetence, corruption and illegality to note (as history no doubt will) that liberal anger toward all of this was utterly appropriate and correct, and based not on any kind of irrationality but on a proper response to Bush's actions and inactions.

      On the other hand...the right wing's actions toward Obama reflect nihilistic petulance, at-times unadulterated racism, and a complete lack of respect for American democracy. Obama won his election legitimately -- easily, even -- yet the right absurdly seeks to de-legitimize him at every turn. Elections have consequences -- once Bush was installed as president, his tax cut was recognized by both sides as a done deal, and the only fight was over its size and (un)fairness. Yet "mainstream" Republicans (as if that term isn't an oxymoron these days) are using lies and belligerence as a substitute for reasoned debate to deny Obama any success whatsoever on healthcare, the principal issue on which the winning Democratic campaign was based.

      Eric's column nicely laid out the obscene differences in coverage of the antiwar movement in '03-'05 and this year's teabaggers, and history should record the media's failures. But it must also record the substantive differences between the two sides of our current hyperpartisan divide.
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      • Author by MidWestThnkr (August 25, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
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        Thumbs up, up up!
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      • Author by skatscan5624 (August 25, 2009 8:32 pm ET)
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        I always present the scenario that if Al Gore was rightly in the White House on 9-11-2001 and he stopped the terrorists attacks on the WTC but failed to stop the attack on the Pentagon, he would have been vilified as weak on defense, grandstanding when he would mention the successful arrests of terrorists at Logan airport, and would have been run out of the presidency along with his full staff and replaced by Dennis Hastert.

        These days I imagine what would happened if the above scenario had instead Obama in the White House on 9-11. To say it would be ugly would be an understatement.

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      • Author by SMTDL (August 27, 2009 12:10 pm ET)
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        Excellent synopsis there Jon ...done objectively and factually.So much of the criticism of Bush only came after the Iraq war went badly,drug on and the controversy on the intelligence used for its justification emerged.Despite the controversy of the election,Bush was accepted and respected(or at least not disrespected) early on.You can not say that regarding Obama...Despite a much bigger(non-controversial) victory,the attacks this early are abominable and largely baseless!!Why do conservatives railing against spending not acknowlegdge that 90% of the deficit is Bush spending and continuation of Bush enacted policies(Medicare Drug increase, Iraq/Afghanistan Wars,Tarp/Auto Bailouts).The decision to cut taxes 1.5 trillion dollars while spending for TWO wars...how brilliant!!!!The Stimulus spending at least stopped/slowed the downward economic spiral,and Obama intends on paying for Healthcare(deficit neutral).How responsible compared to Bush !!!Every objective constitutional expert agrees that the expansion of executive power under Bush was unprecedented ..yet Obama is a tyrant!!!!??
        WHY does the media let the lies continue to seem credible.Very little challenge until recently and just the obvious ..like "Death Panels"
        We are going backwarsd at an alarming rate given the available platforms for divisve, hyperpartisan,racist,baseless, attacks from the Right!
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    • Author by vwcat (August 25, 2009 12:43 pm ET)
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      no, the press will lead with the story of Sept 12 and they will find some way to make it Obama's fault that these people are protesting to begin with.
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    • Author by cherrylail6001 (August 25, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
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      My question is: How do we stop the media from telling untruths? How do we, the people, make them perform their jobs as journalist and not reporters/commentators? I am getting really tired of all the lies. I have stopped watching cable and mainstream news.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (August 25, 2009 3:45 pm ET)
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        There are some deep pockets supporting this media. Correcting its not going to be a short thing. There been a few victories. The actions against Beck's sponsers has been impressive. He's still unchanged as far as I can tell, but the game hasn't been played out yet. Murdocks empire has been taking it in the financial shorts for other reasons. If he enters serious financial trouble that could be the end of Faux Gnus. I don't see anything else that will bring it down.
        The media ownership issue is another area that can be useful. MMfa and the rest of the liberal blogosphere continue the nuts and bolts of responding to this extremely corrupt media machine.
        Yup sucess will not be soon, but it could be televised.
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      • Author by spooky3 (August 26, 2009 10:23 pm ET)
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        Volunteer for MMFA or contribute $ so they can continue to work in support of their mission. Tell your friends about MMFA. When the media who lie learn that they will get called on it, quickly, on the web where millions can see the lie uncovered, they will have more incentive to tell the truth. It's a slow process, but it is working.
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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (August 25, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
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      My opinion is that the right through its echo chamber can gin up any story they want and it's dutifully covered by the "liberal" media so as not to be accused of being "liberal"

      Cause all of these people are "real americans" as defined by the right.

      I do think media ownership plays a big role as well.
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    • Author by starkcr31 (August 25, 2009 2:59 pm ET)
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      This article implies that publications such as the New York Times and Newsweek are somehow anti-liberal. You have to be kidding me. They couldn't be more in the tank for Obama. Just because they opposed Howard Dean doesn't mean they hate liberals. Try to think for once.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (August 25, 2009 3:28 pm ET)
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        The article didn't imply anything, but if you inferred that from the material linked to, you're pretty much shooting yourself in the foot. These are just examples of the difference in coverage given to "anger" on different sides of the political spectrum.

        If you bothered to think, you would have realized that you've only been instructed that Newsweek and The NY Times are in the tank for Obama, and you're ignoring your lying eyes in order to cling to the liberal media myth you've been fed.
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        • Author by starkcr31 (August 26, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
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          I've read plenty of articles in both publications that support my position. Read one or two before you accuse someone of lies.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (August 26, 2009 2:36 pm ET)
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            Yet you refuse to read John Dean's "Conservatives without Conscience".

            You should. It would be one big ego trip because it's all about you.
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            • Author by starkcr31 (August 26, 2009 3:25 pm ET)
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              I'll read that right after you read a book by a conservative or even keep an open mind that liberalism isn't always correct.
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              • Author by foghornleghorn (August 27, 2009 12:11 pm ET)
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                Liberalism isn't always correct. It's just that consveratism is almost always WRONG. History bears this out. Name ONE conservative program/initiative that actually helped the middle class/poor of this nation?
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                • Author by starkcr31 (August 27, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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                  You just proved your lack of an open mind. Conservatism is NOT always wrong and neither is liberalism. This has nothing to do with helping the poor, it's about helping the country as a whole. Giving money to the poor is a temporary solution. Do you get that? It's human nature (usually) to have a lack of incentive when things are handed to you. Oh, and cutting taxes does help the middle class, raising them hurts the middle class.
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (August 27, 2009 2:29 pm ET)
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                    Against my better judgement I'm trying to have a conversation with you but it's difficult because you won't answer any of my questions. Please, name one program/initiative that helped the middle class/poor of this nation.

                    Giving money to the poor is a temporary solution. It's human nature (usually) to have a lack of incentive when things are handed to you.

                    Fail. Again, you must be insulated from reality. Do you know any poor people? I doubt it.

                    Your view of poor people as lazy good-for-nothings who sit around and eat Pringles and drink Mountain Dew all day while playing video games waiting for their welfare check to come in the mail is DISGUSTING.
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                    • Author by starkcr31 (August 27, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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                      I answered that question. Tax cuts for everyone helps the middle class. Yes, I do know poor people and I've been poor myself in the past. I personally didn't want government hand-outs but I've known plenty of people that do. Not all poor people are lazy and I never claimed that, but plenty are and if you don't think that's true, I'm not sure what else to say. Are you saying ALL poor people have just been scr*wed by "the man"?
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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (August 27, 2009 7:48 pm ET)
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                        Tax cuts for everyone helps the middle class.

                        I'd believe you except the vast majority of Bush's tax cuts went to the top 1% of earners. How'd that work out?

                        And Reagan and Poppy Bush both RAISED taxes.

                        So again, another FAIL.

                        Not all poor people are lazy and I never claimed that,

                        Boy, I only have to scroll up 2 posts to find this nugget of wisdom:

                        It's human nature (usually) to have a lack of incentive when things are handed to you.
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      • Author by magnolialover (August 25, 2009 4:35 pm ET)
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        In the tank eh?

        Have you ever read the NY Times OR Newsweek?

        In the tank for Obama is NOT what any reasonable person would call them.
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        • Author by jflash97 (August 25, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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          Yes, well, it would seem the vast majority of the "free thinkers" in Limbaugh Nation tend to freely think whatever they hear on right-wing radio...
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        • Author by skatscan5624 (August 25, 2009 8:34 pm ET)
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          Is this the same New York Times that first gave us Whitewater and the run up to the New Gulf War?

          That's your ideal of liberalism?
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          • Author by historygeek001 (August 26, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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            Apparently some wingnuts think that pointing out those little facts rated a thumbs down. How rational.
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        • Author by starkcr31 (August 26, 2009 1:52 pm ET)
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          What would you call it, in love with Obama?
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (August 25, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
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        "Try to think for once." - Stark Colbert

        That's what we've been trying to tell you, Colbert. Stop and think and then you won't say such stupid things. Do you know who Judith Miller is?
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        • Author by starkcr31 (August 26, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
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          Do you know who Stephen Colbert is? Do you realize he's not a conservative?
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          • Author by Old_Benjamin (August 26, 2009 4:51 pm ET)
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            Do you know who Stephen Colbert is? Do you realize he's not a conservative?
            starkers

            Good for you! You are actually further ahead than the other mouth breathing knuckle draggers, but perhaps you could get it through to them...

            ...but conservatives were more likely to report that Colbert only pretends to be joking and genuinely meant what he said while liberals were more likely to report that Colbert used satire and was not serious when offering political statements.


            http://hij.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/14/2/212
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            • Author by starkcr31 (August 27, 2009 10:36 am ET)
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              Well, I'm not sure why that is, but it's not fair to assume that conservatives are less intelligent than liberals. It's simply not the case. Political beliefs are just that, political beliefs, not somehow a measure of intelligence.
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              • Author by Old_Benjamin (August 27, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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                it's not fair to assume that conservatives are less intelligent than liberals. It's simply not the case.

                starker

                Is it an assumption, or a theory based on the empirical evidence on hand?
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                • Author by starkcr31 (August 27, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
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                  It's based on nothing but opinion and conjecture. There's that liberal open-mindedness hard at work.
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                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (August 27, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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                    It's based on nothing but opinion and conjecture.
                    starkers

                    Really? Cause given the study I linked to and other ones that clearly demonstarte that folks that get their news from Faux News (overwhelmingly conservative) are usually less informed than those obtaining their news from other sources.

                    Here's one of the those study's...

                    http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/714.html
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          • Author by seroquel (August 26, 2009 6:03 pm ET)
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            Do I know who Stephen Colbert is? And you're commenting on MMFA?
            Are you serious? Man, sorry, but you're a class A Moron. I get tired of molly coddling conservatives on this website. Seriously, why come on here if all you're going to do is repeat falsehoods that are easily disproven? Somebody is a S&M addict.
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            • Author by starkcr31 (August 27, 2009 10:38 am ET)
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              If you don't want to respond to a conservative, then don't. What S&M has to do with anything is beyond me. Also, calling people morons when many of your posts demonstrate sub-normal intelligence is probably a bad idea.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (August 27, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
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            "Do you know who Stephen Colbert is? Do you realize he's not a conservative?" - Stark Colbert

            Yes, I know you don't get the joke. That's what makes your satire so excellent.

            But, seriously, since you think the New York Times cannot be trusted because it is in the tank for the left - please explain the run-up to the Iraq war and Judith Miller. Do you know who she is?
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            • Author by starkcr31 (August 27, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
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              I'm not writing in a satirical sense. You should have gotten that by reading my posts. Yes, I know who Judith Miller is, but what she has to do with anything is incomprehensible.
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              • Author by foghornleghorn (August 27, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
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                Uh, Judith Miller was one of the biggest media propogandists for the Iraq war. Make a note of it.
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    • Author by jflash97 (August 25, 2009 3:33 pm ET)
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      The link below has what is essentially a Bizarro World version of this same topic, if anybody's interested. Not surprisingly, the MMA take on it cites many more solid examples to back up the argument made.

      Link to article at BusinessAndMedia.org
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    • Author by theboltz (August 25, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
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      I guess these people have forgotten about the last eight years and who put us in this financial mess to begin with, didn't Bush start with a surplus and end in a deficit and that they started the bail outs before President Obama took office.
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      • Author by skatscan5624 (August 25, 2009 8:36 pm ET)
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        He went from a surplus to a deficit in his FIRST year in office after the idle rich got their tax breaks. Then we went to war and gave the rich more tax breaks. Do the math.
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    • Author by themidnightreview.com (August 25, 2009 6:03 pm ET)
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      The conservative news pundits have effectively rewrote the rules of conduct regarding these angry protesters, much like President bush rewrote his own personal history, becoming a born again... and then digging up dirt on the "liberal" infiltrators of the town hall...

      These double standards are ridiculous.
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    • Author by cugagcmu805031 (August 25, 2009 6:38 pm ET)
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      1. Most republicans/conservatives love to wear the "I am a
      Christian" label.
      2. They lie profusely, in fact, it's a pathological thing with
      them.
      3. To Christians lying is supposed to be a sin, and is
      supposed to be prohibited.
      4. Therefore, "Christian" is simply a label they use to win
      arguments and elections.
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    • Author by sonoma (August 25, 2009 6:53 pm ET)
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      Great article Mr. Boehlert. What happened to the vast left wing media conspiracy? Boy, those were the good ole days.
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      • Author by NoLibtards (August 26, 2009 1:54 am ET)
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        You mean the media conspiracy against Sarah Palin?
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        • Author by wookie (August 26, 2009 10:20 am ET)
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          Yep, the one that made her incapable of answering any questions coherently.
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        • Author by historygeek001 (August 26, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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          If you think that Palin is even vaguely competent then you haven't been paying attention.
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        • Author by seroquel (August 26, 2009 6:10 pm ET)
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          Media conspiracy against Sarah "I quit to get ahead" Palin?
          Yeah, Katie Couric is Ed Murrow. Right.
          Check it out: You are disqualified if you can't answer the questions-
          "What newspapers do you read?"
          "What is the Bush Doctrine?"
          The only conspiracy is in Palin's head. And, apparently yours. PROVE there was a conspiracy against Palin, Contard. Otherwise, get off the website.
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        • Author by spooky3 (August 26, 2009 10:30 pm ET)
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          I thought you guys were the party of personal responsibility. Palin should take personal responsibility for the ridiculous and outrageous things she says, does, and believes instead of letting people like you try to find a boogeyman/woman to blame. Shining light on this behavior does not constitute a conspiracy; that's what journalists are supposed to do.
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    • Author by wookie (August 25, 2009 8:59 pm ET)
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      The whole "I have a scream" speech episode was one of the worst cases of media character assassination ever. This of course is the same media that largely covered for Bush in 2000. Seeing what he did in Texas, to the environment and otherwise should have told us what we were in for. Dean had a real populist movement behind him so they shafted him in favor of corporate lackeys.
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      • Author by NoLibtards (August 26, 2009 1:55 am ET)
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        Your own party shafted Dean. As I recall democrats determine who they want to nominate right? You people are such tools.
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        • Author by wookie (August 26, 2009 10:19 am ET)
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          Contrary to popular opinion, the DNC doesn't control which videos the networks play ad nauseum.
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          • Author by shaggles (August 26, 2009 11:54 am ET)
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            And crank the volume on to make a sigh sound like a scream.
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            • Author by starkcr31 (August 27, 2009 2:25 pm ET)
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              Oh please, if you think that's what happened then you have gone off the deep end.
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    • Author by Commonman (August 25, 2009 10:44 pm ET)
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      I'm just curious if any of you have actually attended some of the town meetings. I have and I didn't see much of the "rabid hate" that you all are talking about. I did see a great deal of genuine concern and fear about where things are heading.

      I despise extremes on both sides. The right wingers who carry swastikas and the left wingers who did the same. If it was indeed right wing kooks that vandalized the office, shame on them. If it was left wingers trying to masquerade as right wingers, shame on them too. But these are not the vast majority of the town hall crowds nor those who are writing their Senators and Representatives. These nut cases are not the regular folks who are scared for the future.

      I don't think you folks have any idea how stirred up the regular people are about all this right now.

      Some of you complain about how George W. Bush ran the economy into the ground. If what he did was wrong and harmed the economy, how in the world can you support the current rush to fund seemingly innumerable new programs?

      You look with horror on George Bush's One and a half trillion deficit but seem to have no problem with the 9 trillion dollar deficit projected under the new programs by the White House's own budget team today.

      So what gives?

      Are you all really that blind?

      This has nothing to do with race, as far as I am concerned. And if there is anger and if there is fear it has very little to do with selfishness and a great deal to do with the fact that we are preparing to tax and spend our nation into oblivion.

      What the town hall crowds, the real town hall crowds, (not the lunatic fringe) are saying is, let's fix the economy first, then maybe we will have some revenue to deal with other things.
      I believe it was the Clinton team that coined the phrase, "It's the economy stupid". President Obama and the Congress has best learn that lesson.

      As for the rest of you commenting on this article; You would be very unwise to ignore the very real and very deep sentiments behind the town hall meeting crowds, and you do truth a disservice by calling them "mobs". If The congress disregards the polls and the fear and pushes through this health care bill in spite of it all, they may very well sink the Obama administration and the Democratic majority in the process.

      You may think that your way of thinking is the majority opinion,
      however if you want to govern you had better bring some of the independents in the middle with you. If the Blue Dog democrats don't remember this they will find themselves out of a job come 2010.
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (August 26, 2009 10:54 am ET)
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        Nice try at a reasoned analysis. Pretty much all of it was dead WRONG.

        This has nothing to do with race, as far as I am concerned

        Wrong. Cue crying woman at town hall: "I want my country back!" (from the black man).

        they may very well sink the Obama administration and the Democratic majority in the process.

        Wrong. People will actually like that fact that they can't lose their coverage with the stroke of a bean counter's pen.

        I continue to ask the question, and never get an answer. From Rep. Weiner: "What do insurance companies bring to the table in regards to health care?"
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        • Author by Commonman (August 26, 2009 8:40 pm ET)
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          Dear Foghorn,

          Nice try at a reply to you too.

          I notice that you put the (from the black man) in parentheses and not in quotations. At least you were honest enough not to put it in quotes. All this demonstrates is that you can presume to speak for the woman by devining her thoughts. I can do the same thing:
          "I want my country back!" (from the tax and spend left).

          As to people liking the "fact that they can't lose their coverage with the stroke of a bean counter's pen"; I have never seen better bean counters than those who work for the federal government. Have you not seen that there are folks on Medicare who have been denied treatment or had it postponed?

          I continue to ask the question and never get an answer: If the public option is so good why isn't the President and Congress willing to switch their plan to the public option?

          Since you didn't comment on the totally frightening bulge in the deficit I am guessing that I have a point there. Y'all screamed at George W. for spending irresponsibly. Why is it now suddenly ok to triple or quadruple that irresponsibility under a Democratic administration and Congress?

          Now, as to the photos in the blog that showed shattered windows at the Democratic Headquarters in Colorado: It has now been made known that the suspect arrested is a democrat who has been in trouble with the law previously and has ties to various Democratic activist groups. So in order to make a point about race hatred this man was willing to commit vandalism and blame it on right wing extremists.

          I still haven't seen a good explanation of why we need to overhaul the entire health care system to provide coverage to a minority of the citizens. That's like throwing away a bike with a bad tire.
          Just fix the tire.
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          • Author by roundhouse (August 26, 2009 10:03 pm ET)
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            "If the public option is so good why isn't the President and Congress willing to switch their plan to the public option?"

            Or more accurately, since they do have public healthcare, why don't they just get a private plan if it's so good?

            "Since you didn't comment on the totally frightening bulge in the deficit I am guessing that I have a point there. Y'all screamed at George W. for spending irresponsibly. Why is it now suddenly ok to triple or quadruple that irresponsibility under a Democratic administration and Congress?"

            See my lengthy response downthread.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (August 27, 2009 11:48 am ET)
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            Country back from the tax and spend left? That's a canard as old as the hills. The only thing different is the black man is in power.

            OK, how about this crying town hall teabagger: "This isn't the America I remember" - referring to the black man in the White House.

            Have you not seen that there are folks on Medicare who have been denied treatment or had it postponed?

            Fail. Please provide evidence or this remains another fear-based talking point.

            And, in case you missed it, thousands are losing their coverage EVERY DAY due to these lesser bean counters at the insurance companies. And...about politicians moving to the public option, it's not that the public option is so good, it's that the public option should exist to give basic health care to all so 18,000 of your fellow Americans don't DIE each and every year.

            And..you didn't answer my question about what insurance companies bring to the table. And...about deficits, I thought they didn't matter (except when a Democrat is in the White House?)

            I point you to Wednesday's NY Times. There was a story about a Georgia man whose mindset reminds me of yours. This formerly apolitical man went to a town hall because he was concerned about health care reform. He's in his early 60's, soon-to-be covered by that evil plan called medicare.

            His wife had breast cancer. She was covered, EXCEPT for some procedures that left him with a $60,000+ bill. Eventually, the hospital forgave it (maybe he played golf with someone from the hospital - who knows).

            But in the article, this man says he doesn't mind having a safety net, just as long as the safety net doesn't include TOO MANY PEOPLE.

            There you have it. Just can't insure too many poor people because, darn it, then we just might have to spend a little more money. Just keep on sufferin' and dyin' because I want that new caddy and need to re-up my country club membership.

            Profits over People. You've earned your bumper sticker.
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            • Author by foghornleghorn (August 27, 2009 1:02 pm ET)
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              So it's NOT about Obama being black?

              http://cjonline.com/news/state/2009-08-26/jenkins_remark_raises_eyebrows
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              • Author by starkcr31 (August 27, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
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                Wow, one person says something and it's all about Obama being black. The left's obsession with race is really getting tired.
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                • Author by bermensch (August 27, 2009 7:16 pm ET)
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                  starkcr31 please stop being an ass

                  I just asked politely, so unless you can provide a source that proves that it is NOT about race, then what you say may have some merit.

                  but please, stop being an ass.
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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (August 27, 2009 9:23 pm ET)
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            Have you not seen that there are folks on Medicare who have been denied treatment or had it postponed?


            NO
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      • Author by roundhouse (August 26, 2009 9:58 pm ET)
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        In America no one should ever go broke because they get sick. Healthcare for all is simply the right thing to do. It is the right thing to do because we are Americans and we care about each other. It's who we are, it's what we do.

        And these nutcases you speak of are embraced by Republican leaders like, Dick Armey, when his FreedomWorks institution trains operatives in the art of disrupting the town halls. These nutcases are embraced by Republican leaders like Sarah Palin when she feeds the rightwing lunatic fringe talking points, aka, death panel memes. No, dude. republican leaders are allies of the extreme right. The right works to actually mainstream extremists through the likes of Beck and Limbaugh cheerleading for them. Not so on the left. Democratic leaders are not friendly with far left activists.


        Your concern over deficit spending is a false equivalence. Bush spent to kill Iraqis and to fill the pockets of mercenaries. Obama, for the most part, is spending to bolster the well being of the much neglected working American. Sure he is blowing it by continuing to funnel money to Wall St, where that money is quickly transformed into executive bonuses, but at least the stimulus has mitigated the ferocity of this recession by putting people to work.

        You say let's wait. Let's fix the economy first. That's crazy talk. Americans are suffering and dying because of the failure of insurance company health care. 50 million have no insurance at all, and millions of those who do are denied necessary care or lose their insurance. We are in a healthcare emergency.

        However, we do agree that the town hall agitators have very real concerns for very real reasons. We simply disagree on who the villain in the story is. I think the bad guys are the insurance company bureaucrats who make their bones by telling doctors no, we won't pay for your patient's care. I disdain them and if I went to their board meeting to protest their wasteful inefficient greed, I would be jailed.

        You think the villain is the publicly accountable, public servant who is constitutionally bound to respect the rights of town hall teabaggers to air their differences. You think the bad guy is a public institution that was created of, by and for the people.

        I can see our disagreement. Can you?
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (August 27, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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          Well said. I'd like to add...when was the last time an insurance company executive was voted out of his job?

          At least we have that option with our elected representatives.
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      • Author by SMTDL (August 27, 2009 1:20 pm ET)
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        Why all the racist signs then?....Obama monkey sign held by a young boy saying "Monkey See Monkey Spend"!!!! Just one of the worst I've seen.Not all the protestors or critics are racists but the racist component of the anger is significant and very apparent...the signs using the N word were big clues too.If those that are not racist were to call out those showing blatant racism,there might be more credibility for your position on these protests.
        You are right to point out the Bush spending reality but why did it not get this type of concerned voice back then from the conservatives!??
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    • Author by IndiGirl (August 26, 2009 3:54 am ET)
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      Which is it then? Either you are saying that the liberals were important and rightous in their protesting and, in turn, so are the conservatives now. Or you are saying that neither group is valid. Either BOTH demonstrations of outrage are patriotic and significant or neither is. You can't call one crazy without undermining the other. Sorry. And what media are you talking about? The media is doing everything they can to shed a negative light on these protests. Did you forget the Ohio gathering reported as "300" or so people on the news, but in reality was closer to 8,000? By down-playing participant turn out, they minimize the impact and importance of the rally. On the other hand, of course the media down-played the number of "arrested" anti-war liberals, I'm sure they certainly didn't forget to mention that the actual turn out was in the 100s of thousands. That "creative" reporting only HELPS the liberal cause silly. If anyone actually did some research, I'm sure they'd find that the number of arrests for violent actions during liberal protests far out weighs anything that is happening currently, yet, the reporting still tries to highlight the few people who make a scene at these town halls.
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    • Author by snoopy (August 26, 2009 4:14 am ET)
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      Ted Kennedy has died. Today we mourn, he has our blessings. In a few short hours the right will disparage his death with gleeful innuendos.
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    • Author by bla9596 (August 26, 2009 1:03 pm ET)
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      Well, looks like the mini-mobs have taken over the space in this comment section. You all have been led away from the issue, that is, HEALTH CARE. Here are some talking points for those of us who want a better system: When they say there will be chaos! we say: There already is chaos with our healthcare - people pay premiums BUT ARE NOT COVERED when they MOST need it; When they say, socialism! we say: we ALREADY socialize the COST of healthcare for the Congress, the elderly, the veterans and they all LOVE their healthcare; When they say, how or who's going to pay for it!?!, we say: WE ALREADY pay over twice as much as Canada, for instance, but it is wasted on BIG SALARIES for the CEO's not for care. Also, Canada used to have our system (for profit), but voted to GET RID OF IT back in the 1970's. $400,000,000,000 BILLION is wasted every year on health care premiums; 1 million people file medical-bil-related bankruptcies each year; you are covered if you are well but not if you are sick in this country of ours and people who are(lucky enough to be)employed don't get raises anymore because the HMOs get your raise instead. These are the issues.
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (August 27, 2009 12:08 pm ET)
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        These are the issues.

        Well, these should be the issues. But to the fear-mongers it's death panels, pulling the plug on granny, death books, inept government, etc. etc. It's like they just can't realize that we're paying TWICE as much as other industrialized countries for an inferior system.

        The issue is about living a healthy (and hopefully) long life.
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        • Author by TexasPatriotGirl (August 27, 2009 11:25 pm ET)
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          Well, there is alot wrong with the system for sure. However, if you know anything about the current system in the UK, then you ought to not want that to befall us.It's the Insurance companies whom are Mostly at fault here, but had they been Regulated instead of Deregulated by the Fatcats in Washington, we would All be better off. The biggest thing that Needs desperately to be done concerning Health Care Reform, is{1} Not to take from Medicare, as these elderlypeople have Paid for this for their golden years. {2} Stop Giving All These Perks to Illegals. They are Illegal, and as such, Do Not Deserve nor Earn what is we as American Citizens Have Earned and Do Deserve.{3} Stop with the Entitlement programs. Not everyone can afford the Best. Some have better coverage than others, but those of us who Do have healthcare, pay a Pretty penny to do so.I resent the Idea of having to do without or having made to have a Lesser care/coverage, just so I may have the Privelege to Pay for Someone Elses Healthcare.My 80 yr. old Mom was in Hospital over this last wkend. and I can tell you without any doubt what-so-ever, ahd she Not had Medicare and her supplemental insurance, she would've been in dire straights for certain.She was put in a very tiny rm that was a semi-private, with another patient, and was about to get a prep for some tests for the Next day, which would've had her either running to the toilet {located in the front of the rm} of trying to use a bedside commode, and All of this with another patient.There was No room for the bedside commode and the toilet was on the other side of the room, since Mom was stuck in Bed 2 in the corner. So, I asked if she could get a Private rm and was told they were pretty much booked. As luck would have it, a few minutes later, she was moved a few doors down to her own Private room! Thank God for that, as we'd already spent the 1st night and half of the next day in a semi-private where she had an elderly lady who kept waking up and moving around, causing her iv machine to Alarm @ 100 decibalsadn thenwas calling out for her family The Whole Time, poor thing. So, just be careful what You all wish for. I don't want to be Made to have the kind of healthcare you are screaming for. I want something Better or Don't change it!
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    • Author by eekeller (August 27, 2009 2:13 pm ET)
         
      They are bought, sold, and paid for. Their own children will suffer for their lack of integrity, and they just don't seem to care any more. sad......
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