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Lou Dobbs and his hate groupies

September 01, 2009 2:32 pm ET

By now, CNN's Lou Dobbs, with his single-minded obsession over all things anti-immigrant and his bizarre embrace of the loony birther movement, is well known for trafficking in disturbing, misleading, and often inaccurate garbage. Escaping under the radar of many, however, are his close associations with an organization that has been described by experts as a "hate group."

On September 15 and 16, Dobbs is scheduled to appear at the "Hold Their Feet to the Fire" rally and legislative advocacy event in the nation's capital being thrown by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). These anti-immigrant zealots must be pleased as heavily spiked punch to have Dobbs helping out again this year, just as they were with his participation last year when it bragged in a press release that the CNN host's "prominence will add to the visibility and stature of [the] event."

Heck, they even gave Dobbs their first-ever "People's Voice Award" for his "continued efforts in leading the immigration reform movement through both his talk radio show and his television show." The award is no doubt nearly as coveted as the jingoistic fumes that seem to fuel both Dobbs and the organization.

So what exactly is FAIR, other than a conveniently misleading acronym?

Well, for starters, the group was founded 30 years ago by John Tanton, who remains on its board to this day and happens to have a well-documented history of making racist statements and espousing racist beliefs.

In 2001, Tanton reportedly praised the work of a notorious Nazi sympathizer, saying his work should form "a guidepost to what we must follow again this time." Back in the mid-1980s, he authored memos, which the nonpartisan Southern Poverty Law Center said were meant for "colleagues who met at retreats to discuss immigration." According to news reports, the memos, in part, "raised questions about the 'reproductive powers' of the races, suggesting: 'perhaps this is the first instance in which those with the pants up are going to get caught by those with their pants down!' "

The memos are all the more chilling when coupled with the fact that according to FAIR's publicly available IRS disclosure forms, the organization has received at least $1.2 million from the Pioneer Fund, a foundation that supports the work of white supremacists, eugenicists, and others who seek to prove that genetic differences exist between races.

Dobbs strikes like a rattlesnake when he's accused of being anti-immigrant, claiming his venom is reserved only for illegal immigrants. But FAIR -- whose spokespeople often grace Dobbs' CNN program -- takes a hard line against even legal immigration, promoting a policy that would effectively halt hard-working men and women, the spouses and family of American citizens and countless others from legally immigrating to America in a tradition not unlike many of our ancestors. FAIR's current president, Dan Stein, was painfully forthcoming when he said: "Many [immigrants] hate America, hate everything the United States stands for. Talk to some of these Central Americans."

FAIR also has a long history of producing racially charged television commercials that have attacked both Republicans and Democrats -- ads which have been described in newspaper editorials as "racially tinged" and "trash" that "incite hate," "play upon stereotypical racial fears," and "are full of half-truths and lies."

It's easy to understand why the SPLC has designated FAIR a "hate group." What's hard to figure out, however, is why CNN would allow Dobbs to publicly align himself with such a group. Rather than denouncing the organization, Dobbs' CNN program has cited FAIR as a reliable source on the immigration issue no fewer than six times in the last year. Of course, he also routinely fails to disclose the chummy relationship he shares with the group.

CNN prides itself on being "the most trusted name in news." It goes to great lengths to distinguish itself from what it apparently sees as the lost souls over at MSNBC and Fox News. The network ran ads earlier this summer declaring, "Get the facts from the only news channel to give you all sides. No spin. No affiliation. No agenda." Its president, Jonathan Klein, laid it on even thicker, saying, "We've really tried hard to differentiate ourselves as the real news network."

With all due respect, Mr. Klein, you need to try a bit harder.

It's bad enough that employers take advantage of undocumented immigrants. For CNN to sit back and count the Dobbs dollars rolling in at the expense of such people is even worse. If Dobbs won't end his association with FAIR, CNN should do the right thing and end its association with Dobbs.

Karl Frisch is a senior fellow at Media Matters for America, a progressive media watchdog, research, and information center based in Washington, D.C. Frisch also contributes to County Fair, a media blog featuring links to progressive media criticism from around the web as well as original commentary. You can follow him on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube or sign-up to receive his columns by email.

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    • Author by Bad News (September 01, 2009 3:23 pm ET)
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      Lou Dobbs, Where do i begin?
      His wife is Hispanic, but he Hates Hispanics to his own Shigrin.
      Why Lou is taking this Hateful Tact i will never Understand.
      It's hard to belive that there Once was a time when i called Lou Dobbs "The Man"

      Speak truth to power.


      Mr. News
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      • Author by juliajayne1 (September 01, 2009 6:53 pm ET)
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        This is what I'd like to know before the conversation gets too far off track.

        Is illegal immigration one of our most pressing issues? Is it a real and serious problem, or a manufactured problem? I ask because I don't remember it being such an issue until a few years ago. It seemed to surface then as a distraction from other issues is what I'm getting at.

        So does anyone have any link to hard data from a non partisan source that actualizes the problem in a basis of reality?

        Just trying to get away from the hyperbole and manufactured junk that we get from our largely propagandized "news" sources. Of which Lou Dobbs participates in and enriches himself by, sadly.
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        • Author by bilbo_dies (September 01, 2009 8:42 pm ET)
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          Since it went immediately off track after your comment.

          Is illegal immigration one of our most pressing issues?
          No, it is an issue but; now is being used as a talking point to distract the discussion from other issues. Just think, "illegal immigrants are getting free health care".

          People come to the states illegally because they can find work where they couldn't at home, or that pays better.
          Employers love them because they help fill crappy jobs that no one else wants and they can pay them less than anyone else. (who are they going to complain to, their illegal)
          Is legal/illegal immigration a problem. Sure it is. People who want in have to fight an antiquated system that can take years before they can get a visa to immigrate. Is it any wonder that someone who doesn't have a whole lot of other choices would hike across the desert in order to get in. Heck no.

          What is not going to happen, well, at least anytime soon.

          Real consequences for employers that hire illegals. That should include the CEO's, etc who set hiring policy at their companies.

          Revamping the whole immigration system to make it more fair and to cut throught the time and red tape.

          Find a way to pay a decent wage for "crappy" jobs. Who wants to be a garbage man if you can't afford to eat on the wage.

          Find a way to help other other countries develop their own infrastructure and industry. (No, I don't mean give money away)

          None of this is easy, none of this can happen quickly but; it could be done.
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        • Author by congero6189599 (September 02, 2009 11:42 am ET)
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          JJ I found a good discussion @ Bill Moyers Journal with Mr. Moyers and Prof. Manuel Vasquez of the Univ. of Florida and author of "Globilization of the Sacred",the discusion happens @ 28:45 of the segment here is the link: http://video.pbs.org/video/1225102084/chapter/3/search/immigration
          hardly non-partisan but well researched I'd recommend for historical perspective books by Carey McWilliams "North from Mexico" and "Factories in the Field" also anything by Luis Alberto Urrea his latest work is about immigrant experiences titled "The Devils Highway." on a related note also "The Promised Land" by Nicholas Leman the great Black migration and how it changed America. I hope this helps>
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          • Author by juliajayne1 (September 02, 2009 12:25 pm ET)
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            Thanks Bilbo. Thanks Congero.

            Congero, I'm gonna check out that link. I am so glad somebody else here watches Bill Moyers. ;-)

            My in laws were part of the great Black migration in the 40's moving from Louisiana to the Chicago area. In fact a large portion of the family is in Chicago now. I have seen the PBS specials regarding that phenomona, but haven't read any books on it.

            So thanks again. I do apreciate it, guys.
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    • Author by southerngal (September 01, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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      So what would be your solution, Mr. Frisch? Given the fact that you can't even call illegal immigrants by name, but rather undocumented immigrants. Or is everyone concerned with securing our borders and protecting the sovereignty of our nation nothing but racists? And what about the disrespect you are showing those that enter our country legally and wait out the system, play by the rules and do what's right? And what about the incredible disrespect you display at the poorest of our citizens, whose jobs and wages are being undercut by greedy employers and illegal immigrants who will work for far less?

      Nobody is saying that many of these people are not hard workers or are just trying to better themselves and their families, but that is not the issue. Our immigration laws and enforcing our own borders is a fairly elementary concept, and the right thing to do.

      Nice rant about Dobbs' racism, but you offer no solutions except liberal feely good platitudes of mean ole' white racists clamping down on our borders.
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      • Author by Cannonball (September 01, 2009 3:49 pm ET)
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        I'm not sure why illegal means more to you than undocumented. But what does that have to do with "securing our borders" and "protecting our sovereignty"? We wouldn't have to worry about Mexican immigration if we had a decent trade and investment policy with Mexico. But they haven't any oil, so we don't care about their economy. Not sure how 2 million immigrants are a threat to our soveriegnty. Unless you mean that having latinos in our schools, churches and neighborhoods is a threat to you. Or can you tell a legal latino from an illegal one on sight? As for taking our jobs at lower wages, face it, we don't want those jobs anyway. When was the last time you saw a white kid roofing a house, trimming a tree or cutting tobacco (all jobs I did as a teenager). The white kid's don't want that kind of work now, they won't want those jobs as adults either. And yes, our manufacturing jobs are next. Those jobs are too hard, too.Maybe the problem is that white middle class America is just too good for blur collar labor. You can't drive a Lexus, with a blue-tooth in your ear and a latte in your hand on just $15 an hour.
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        • Author by southerngal (September 01, 2009 4:15 pm ET)
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          Really? So a construction worker getting $15 an hour in Arizona doesn't really want his job because his employer can find an illegal alien to do it for $7.50 an hour? If you don't think that is happening then you are more clueless than even your post is.

          Try telling that to his family when he is out of work.
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          • Author by Cannonball (September 01, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
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            Try reading my post before you comment.

            You don't think much of contruction workers do you? Pretty much interchangeable, are they? They're just unskilled labor, right?

            My point is that you can poll the local high schools and find few if any that aspire to labor jobs. They aspire to white collar jobs.

            Finally, if a job can be done by someone for $7.50 an hour rather than someone for $15, isn't that the point of a market economy? Maybe the first guy was overpaid...
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            • Author by southerngal (September 01, 2009 4:47 pm ET)
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              "Maybe the first guy was overpaid..."

              What a ridiculous response. So you are in favor of illegal immigrants coming into this country and undercutting wages being paid to American citizens? Because you are saying the citizen is overpaid.

              You have no idea what you are even talking about, even your comment about how I don't think much of construction workers is asinine. You are the one who has no respect for American workers if your answer to their sudden unemployment at the expense of an illegal alien is maybe he was overpaid.

              Incredible.
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              • Author by Cannonball (September 01, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
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                Who said the construction worker was a citizen? Was he white, too?

                I also never said you had no respect for American workers. I was talking about construction workers.

                Illegal aliens aren't working the jobs you think they are. I know companies that can't find workers even in this economy. If it weren't for illegals willing to work, they'd have to turn down business. I do respect people who work for their families, American or not.

                Not sure why you think my discussion is so incredible. You don't see too many small farmers anymore, do you? Agribusiness has gobbled up the farms. Does your kid aspire to be migrant fruit picker? Jobs will leave this country if we don't find a way to employ the people, illegal or not, that are willing to work them.
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                • Author by southerngal (September 01, 2009 5:06 pm ET)
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                  "Who said the construction worker was a citizen? Was he white, too?"

                  Yes, the construction worker was a citizen, that was the whole point. I know people, American citizens, who have lost their jobs in the very same fashion.

                  As for his race, that is irrelevant, I have no idea.
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            • Author by riverdog (September 01, 2009 4:59 pm ET)
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              man you are clueless. mexico has oil and cheap labor. i have great respect for there work ethic but having a open border and giving illigal imigrants free health care and education is really stupid.
              the first generation will do anything but just like us they want there kids to do better and enter more skilled labor fiels like construction. most don't pay taxes. this is a real problem, not some elitist theory.
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              • Author by magnolialover (September 01, 2009 7:45 pm ET)
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                Actually, first of all, most do pay taxes under false and fake social security numbers so that they can work in the United States.

                Most don't get "free health care". Not sure where that comes from. It's certainly not given to them.

                Since most illegals pay taxes, they are also paying into the educational system, just like you and me (I'm sure that they live somewhere where they say, rent a house or an apartment, and someone has to own said place, which that person, or persons pay property taxes which goes back into school systems lots of times). They buy lottery tickets (which lots of times provides funds for schools in the State), they pay sales taxes, and so on and so forth. Their kids are getting an education, that their parents are helping to pay for as well.

                Those things being said, I think it is a problem as well. I just think that a lot of the things being said about illegals is wrong, and mis-perceived, and usually when we hear about it from Dobbs, it's about some random illegal who say, got into a car accident and killed someone, or that they're bring leprosy to the United States (he actually said that, a lot).

                Dobbs' solution is not a solution at all, and he does associate with known radical race hating groups or people (like Tom Tancredo). And actually, I have read reports lately that illegal immigrants entering the US are slowing down, and getting less.
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                • Author by oscar the grouch (September 01, 2009 8:30 pm ET)
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                  As it is with most groups, the few that "misbehave" cast a shadow on the whole group. Hispanic gangs and gangbangers get the headlines and the whole culture is disparaged by many. Some of us would like to see some type of reform, whereby we could screen the incoming immigrants as a way fo keeping most of the bad seeds out. Does that make us racists? Or does it just make us concerned for the welfare of the society as a whole? We need to make sure immigration and available jobs kind of balance out, so that those entering the country have something better to do than to be a disruption to the communities to which they migrate.
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                  • Author by Cannonball (September 02, 2009 3:05 pm ET)
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                    "Screen...the bad seeds out"? What's the standard and the methodology? Is this just for brown skinned immigrants or all immigrants? BTW, Latino and black gangs are well past their fourth generations - read citizens - in most cities. I think their disenfranchisement is our problem now, not some foreign country's. Maybe they could get out of the gangs if they had some viable options. But it is easier to "disparage" the "whole culture". By "culture" do you mean latino culture or gang culture?
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            • Author by oscar the grouch (September 01, 2009 7:48 pm ET)
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              While they aspire to white collar jobs, many of those jobs, like buggy whip maker jobs early in the last century, have disappeared, probably not to resurface for a generation or so in another form. We are, unfortunately in my opinion, "evolving" (if that's what it can be called) from a value added type of econmy (manufacturing, etc) to a service economy, where there may be plenty of baseline jobs, but managerial jobs in industry will be relatively rare (don't think the HS student is looking for a manager type job in the service field). We will need ditches dug, buildings built, etc and one must be willing to do that type of work sometimes in order to advance a career.
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          • Author by overmars jr. (September 01, 2009 8:08 pm ET)
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            I see. You are so outraged over this illegal immigrant undercutting an American's job, that you blame the "hard workers" that are "just trying to better themselves and their families" instead of blaming the employers of illegal immigrants or politicians who find that covering 2,000 miles with 700 miles of easily beatable fencing is a proper use of money to protect the border.

            So... do you really want to protect sovereignty (egads, man) or what? Would you vote for a tax increase to pay more border patrol personnel? Vote to fund new technologies? Vote to hit the employers of illegal immigrants and hit them hard?

            Coz gosh gee, it sure seems like you are kicking the bottom of the totem pole and somehow expecting it to fall over.
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        • Author by DAWUSS (September 01, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
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          "When was the last time you saw a white kid roofing a house, trimming a tree"

          Last week
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          • Author by Cannonball (September 01, 2009 4:37 pm ET)
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            Liar.
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            • Author by southerngal (September 01, 2009 4:49 pm ET)
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              Liar? How the hell do you know? So all roofers and tree-trimmers are non-white? If your responses on this topic weren't so moronic, I'd say you were a racist.
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              • Author by Cannonball (September 01, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
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                Have I upset you? Try thinking about my argument that labor jobs are going away because we are lazy than on stupid distractions like a generality about white kids and roofing. BTW, it's way to easy to get you angry.
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        • Author by bintx (September 01, 2009 5:52 pm ET)
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          I see white kids roofing a house all the time, right next to Hispanic kids and African American kids.
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          • Author by What9000 (September 03, 2009 10:30 pm ET)
               
            Same. In New Orleans, you'll see alot of baseline construction work done by young men of all races. I happened to be one of them. After Katrina, I worked in home demolition for about a year and a half. In that time, I worked alongside guys from central and south america. Some of them probably illegal.

            And I'm still thankful they were there. If not for them, the recovery effort would have taken even longer.

            Personally, I would like to see the immigration process made easier and more efficient, so you don't need to have 'undocumented' workers.
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          • Author by DellDolly (September 03, 2009 11:36 pm ET)
               
            I don't hardly at all. I live in the south, and I see blacks, but mostly Hispanics who speak very broken English or only Spanish doing roofing and other labor-intensive jobs. They do the jobs that don't require that you speak English. That's why they are farm laborers, etc.
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      • Author by SAR (September 01, 2009 5:52 pm ET)
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        The problem with the immigration debate has never been one of course of action. It has been one of the tone of the discussion. Lou Dobbs and the Right Wing is enabling this wing nut idiots into frenzy.

        If you remotely think this violence will contain itself only towards illegal immigrants, I got news to you: it won't. These people attack anyone Hispanic-related, regardless of their immigration status or Citizenship.

        Perhaps one of the most galling aspects is that most US citizens lack basic geographic knowledge. For many of them, all Hispanics are from Mexico, therefore illegal.
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      • Author by ronbo (September 02, 2009 5:22 pm ET)
           
        My solution would be a guest worker program - we obviously need more than ten million unskilled workers, and most of them would prefer to come here legally, earn some money, and go back home. Win-win.

        If you want to secure our borders, it isn't realistic to think you can seal off a thousand miles of desert when millions of people try to get across. You might have a chance if you took the illegals out of the equation, so that there was a smaller number sneaking across - drug smugglers and other criminals. But the only way to do that is a guest worker program - really, a fence and a couple of thousand border agents won't manage the job.

        I'm guessing you're conservative, or at least someone who believes in capitalism and free markets. Me too. So let's agree that free markets work, they're powerful, and when governments pass laws flying in the face of economic reality, you get black markets and other underground activity, those laws are unrealistic and work about as well as Prohibition. Do we have common ground on this?

        Then look at illegal immigrants as a demonstration of a free market: they need unskilled jobs, the US has plenty in agriculture, as well as many in construction, hotels, restaurants, home services like gardening and watching children, etc. Trying to outlaw these workers has just resulted in an underground market, with all of the attendant ills for both those workers and for American society.

        So the only answer, the one that acknowledges the economic reality, is a guest worker program. With these now legal workers paying taxes and better able to report crimes, employer workplace abuses, etc. everyone would be better off.

        The one hang-up? Conservatives who foam at the mouth at the idea of an amnesty, again ignoring the reality that it is impractical to round up and deport ten or fifteen or twenty million people - a gigantic expense that would disrupt our economy at the worst possible time.

        Do some Americans lose jobs because of immigrant workers, legal or otherwise? Yes. Does making those workers illegal change that? No.
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    • Author by DAWUSS (September 01, 2009 4:07 pm ET)
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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06tKiBiOwIQ
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    • Author by Mr. Right (September 01, 2009 7:55 pm ET)
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      The simplest solution to the illegal immigration problem is to go after the employers. You won't hear Dobbs or any of the other right wing talkers say this though because who are the people hiring illegal workers? Hint; it ain't the liberals. Start fining illegal employers enough that it isn't worth it for them to try and get away with it and watch the mass exodus of undocumented workers leaving the country. We don't even have to write any new laws just enforce the ones that already exist. It's just as illegal to hire an undocumented worker as it is to be one. This would mean no more slaps on the wrist for the right-wing greedy criminals who hire them. Not only is this plan cheaper than any of the right wing Giant Texas Fence or "round 'em all up" ideas, but it would be much more effective in solving the problem and the fines would produce a new, much needed, source of revenue. Of course you will never hear anyone from the right suggest this, because the only thing conservatives hate more than immigrants is mowing their own lawn.
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      • Author by ronbo (September 02, 2009 5:30 pm ET)
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        You are correct that serious enforcement would put an end to illegal immigration. And maybe it would make you and many others feel good about enforcing the law. But how about other consequences?

        First, you can kiss off any hand-picked crop grown in the US. Grapes, lettuce, strawberries, and plenty of other things won't be a viable business.

        Second, you'll see many restaurants either shut down or raise prices. Same with hotels. Many construction projects will become more expensive (much more), and probably delayed as well.

        Third, some of the really unpleasant industrial jobs like meatpacking plants will probably shut down, or at a minimum have to face huge hikes in wages (and therefore costs).

        Fourth, you will see an increase in crime as people desperate to feed their families suddenly can't get a job.

        Fifth, revenue to the federal government will drop, as many illegals give a phony social security number and have taxes withheld.

        Sixth, the businesses that you fine, some will go under, others will have to find a way to pass the cost of those fines along to consumers.

        So in a down economy you are going to remove ten or fifteen or twenty million cheap workers, cripple sectors that rely on them, permanently lose chunks of agriculture, and reduce federal revenues just when deficits are rising.

        All so we can say we enforce our laws. Ever heard of the phrase "cut off your nose to spite your face"?
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        • Author by DellDolly (September 03, 2009 11:39 pm ET)
             
          We would have to replace those illegal immigrants with some kind of guest worker program, I believe. And so none of those dire consequences you mention have to come to pass just because we enforce laws and make most of the illegal immigrants go back across the border.
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    • Author by MuddleVanHeck (September 02, 2009 12:09 am ET)
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      Karl,

      This article proves once again that most in the liberal "media" are absolutely clueless. You just don't have your thumb on the pulse of the rest of us. That said, is it any wonder that you're willing to throw terms like "racist" around so easily? It's because you have no argument.

      There are many credible organizations who have published significant and factual data pertaining to the cost of having illegals show up in emergency rooms, not to mention that Latinos tend to have significantly higher premature birth rates on average - and at the bargain basement price of approximately $27,000.00, which is left to the taxpayer and those of us who occasionally have to go to the hospital and pay $22.00 for a band aid. Also, the children of illegal aliens tend to cost more in the public schools because they aren't keeping up with their classmates, which is not their fault, but that's why it's important to speak English!

      We, the American citizens/workers are at a disadvantage when foreigners come here illegally and undercut the going rate of hourly pay. I don't know how you can even keep a straight face when you write this nonsense. Low wages equals less tax revenue; we've all been impacted by our states trying to make up the shortfalls on a local level. There are many unseen taxes that this problem creates.

      Any way you look at it, 80% of the citizens of this country want the problem FIXED. By fixed, we don't mean "pacify the liberals." When you become Bill Gates or Rob Walton, perhaps you can pay their way and offset the cost to the angry taxpayers and then we'll celebrate you. Until that time, we're BROKE. Get it? No mon, no fun. Besides, why do progressives (I laugh at the irony of that term) always choose a subject that flies in the face of the best interests of the American people? We need the jobs, remember?

      I think it's a fair statement that you're all increasingly regarded as enemies to this republic and her people. It's also quite likely that the days of electing democrats are over due to this incredible "bubble" you live in. The rest of us are living in the real world.
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      • Author by SAR (September 02, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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        You just proved Karl's point.
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      • Author by juliajayne1 (September 02, 2009 12:36 pm ET)
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        Well, I just read the last part of your rant since it seems to be liberally peppered with disparaging remarks about liberals.

        But if you wanna talk about the "real world", try figuring out that the demographic trends support progressive ideas and people. So your bizarre statement about Dems not being elected is just that. Bizarre.

        Carry on bubble boy or girl.
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      • Author by Cannonball (September 02, 2009 3:27 pm ET)
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        Wow, where to start...okay, most of these immigrants that land jobs are legal and do so because they will work for a little less and because they don't feel entitled to their job and work harder and smarter. Most of them aspire to and achieve citizenship, too. Also, their kids and grandkids overwhelmingly speak english and there are movements in their communities to save their dying languages and culture. Most school ciriculums and testing are heavily branded toward white society, correcting this would help raise the educational aspirations and success rates among minority groups. Why don't conservatives support this?

        So, yes, many Americans are at a disadvantage because they were raised to think society owes them something. Low wages does not equal less taxes, but if higher wages is a good thing, why is their so much conservative puchback to every attempt to raise the federal minimum wage?

        Low to middle income earners tend to spend all their money, so they pay more income tax (no deductions), more sales tax (no savings), and more payroll tax (no deferred compensation) per capita. Also, undocumented workers almost always have no health insurance, use false SSNs, so no social insurance, and fail to file returns, so no tax refunds for overpayment of income tax.

        By "problem" do you mean illegal immigration or any immigration, period? As a great grandson of an immigrant (Irish)I rather take offense that this country should close its borders. I think your "real world" exists only in your head. It never existed in the United States.
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      • Author by DellDolly (September 03, 2009 11:41 pm ET)
           
        Illegal immigrants pay more in total taxes, fees, and Social Security than they get back in services. Now, the Federal gov't (and Social Security) have a net benefit, and local cities and counties have a net cost, but the Illegal immigrants have a net cost too! They spend more in taxes and fees than what they get back in services rendered and they can never collect the Social Security taxes they've paid while illegal.
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    • Author by tuersm3856 (September 02, 2009 4:17 pm ET)
         
      I heard about a speech or something Dobbs gave where he talks about using race-specific bioweapons and how the government needs to come up with an excuse to use them on US citizens...or something really twisted and Hitler-esque like that. No, wait a minute. That was Dick Cheney saying that stuff. Never mind.
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    • Author by virtual_chuck (September 04, 2009 1:15 am ET)
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      I don't know where I heard this, or who originally said it, but I like it:
      "There is no such thing as illegal immigrants,
      only illegal governments"
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