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Media Matters: Fox News' incomplete, misleading ACORN coverage is just nuts

September 18, 2009 11:13 pm ET

If you get your news from right-wing talk radio and Fox News, you probably think America is being overrun by a hyper-corrupt organized prostitution ring headquartered in the White House.

In case you missed this story: Two conservative activists, Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe, visited a host of ACORN offices around the country posing as a pimp and prostitute. They asked for help establishing a brothel, and even stated that underage girls would be working for them. They had a surveillance camera and recorded at least four interactions with ACORN employees and claimed these employees provided them with assistance. All of the employees implicated have now been fired, and federal aid to ACORN has been cut off.

Still, the story at this point really has a lot more to do with Fox News and conservative media activism than with ACORN. The undercover videos first appeared on BigGovernment.com, founded by Andrew Breitbart, a protégé of Matt Drudge and a conservative with a long record of highly partisan and inflammatory statements. Giles, daughter of conservative blogger Doug Giles, attended the National Journalism Center in Washington, one of the many right-wing institutions conservatives have established to flood the field with young, motivated, and rabidly partisan "reporters." For his part, O'Keefe has been a far-right activist since college.

Breitbart has developed a direct line to Glenn Beck, and so it wasn't long before the videos were being presented breathlessly on his TV and radio programs. This week, following his 9/12 rally, Beck escalated the attacks over ACORN. "But good God almighty, what is wrong with us," he said on Tuesday, "that we don't right now get into the cars and drive back to Washington, and surround the Capitol and say, 'What the hell is wrong with you people? Are you soulless? Are you dead inside?' "

It was just the beginning. "Obama is Van Jones, Obama is ACORN," right-wing pundit Monica Crowley said on Wednesday. "Just as he is ACORN, just as he is Van Jones, he is racism," Rush Limbaugh parroted the sentiment on Thursday. Radio host Jim Quinn said that we were all living in the "United States of ACORN," and Fox News' Megyn Kelly had Karl Rove on to talk about the tapes exposing what was now a "remarkable criminal enterprise." The stakes couldn't be higher. ACORN, after all, was on tap to receive "eight and a half trillion dollars of stimulus money," according to Sean Hannity -- a number that was a thousand times greater than the equally fictitious billions that Beck had accorded to the organization on behalf of the government. ACORN had suddenly ballooned from an organization which had received $53 million in federal funds over 15 years to representing 67 percent of America's gross domestic product.

Fox was running so wild with the story that they were willing to lower their already dubious standards. The first problem was one of logic. Four videos were being promoted as unimpeachable proof that all of ACORN is equally corrupt -- all 1,200 chapters and hundreds of ACORN employees. It was the opposite of how a credible investigation is supposed to function, in which conclusions are withheld until after all the facts are in. By comparison, here, the conservative media had a few isolated facts but were willing to extrapolate an entire thesis from them.

More important, Fox News failed to vet the tapes. This was made painfully clear with the case of the San Bernardino ACORN office, which was featured in the fourth video to be released. In the footage, ACORN employee Tresa Kaelke claimed that she had murdered her former husband following a period of domestic abuse. On September 15, Beck and Sean Hannity both broadcast Kaelke's assertion. Beck, who had reported on the supposed confession during his radio program, added on Fox, "She never spanked her kids, but she did shoot her husband dead." Later that night, Hannity played the same clip, and in a rare moment of intellectual curiosity, asked about the veracity of the murder claim. "We're working on it," Giles said, which was enough for Hannity. The following morning, on September 16, Fox News' Gretchen Carlson repeated the allegation, saying, "She killed somebody? Despite this, some lawmakers want to keep funding the group."

But Kaelke's ex-husbands are alive. The San Bernardino Police Department confirmed this simple fact on September 15, releasing a statement that read: "Investigators have been in contact with the involved party's known former husbands, who are alive and well." (Kaelke was soon quoted in an ACORN press release saying that she had made the claim because she was seeking to mislead the undercover videographers, whom she was suspicious of.) In spite of these developments, the next day, Hannity was still treating the San Bernardino tape as fully credible. He even hosted Giles again but failed to ask her about her own investigation into the truth of the claim. (Here's a full timeline of the attention the San Bernardino video received.)

In the meantime, another pivotal hole in the story began to present itself. During interviews, Breitbart, Giles, and O'Keefe had all asserted that the undercover team had never been kicked out of an ACORN office. Bertha Lewis, ACORN's CEO and chief organizer, had already said this was a falsehood by the time a Philadelphia ACORN employee, Katherine Conway Russell, publicly claimed to have done just that, adding that she had filed a police report after a visit from the conservative pair. The police report was soon produced, raising further serious questions about the credibility of the entire ACORN exposé. It was another major side of the story that Fox News simply hadn't cared to look into.

On the offense, Breitbart has lashed out at the mainstream media for supposedly burying the story. "The behavior of Jonathan Klein, the president of CNN," he said on Friday, "has been despicable during this." Many mainstream reporters were indeed worthy of criticism, but for the opposite reason that Breitbart cited. Their real failure was discussing the ACORN issue on Fox News' terms and ignoring the network's role in pushing the smears.

The New York Times covered up conservatives' well-documented ACORN obsession in its reporting. In their reports, all three network evening news broadcasts -- ABC's World News, NBC's Nightly News, and the CBS Evening News -- left out substantive facts about the incidents that mitigate the accusations, exonerate ACORN employees, or undermine the credibility of the filmmakers. Moreover, none reported that Fox News, in its aggressive promotion of this story, had made false accusations.

On MSNBC, Chris Matthews was content to report that the right had simply "claimed another victim," as if the campaign had been entirely legitimate. "They know what they are doing because they are getting an audience from this," he added, uncritically. And MSNBC's Dylan Rattigan allowed conservative activist Carter Clews of Americans for Limited Government to ask Bertha Lewis, "How much money did Barack Obama funnel to you ... with his buddy-boy Bill Ayers?" David Shuster and Juan Williams provided some of the week's few media bright spots by focusing on Fox News itself and providing the story with some perspective.

Fox News is already teasing its next round of ACORN attacks. If credible journalists don't stand up for their craft, then Fox News will keep enjoying its position in the driver's seat.

Other major stories this week:

Dropping Lou Dobbs

After years of Lou Dobbs using his CNN platform to promote the work of hate groups, spread racially charged conspiracy theories, and engage in hate speech, Media Matters joined more than 15 national organizations (including NDN, Southern Poverty Law Center, and the National Council of La Raza, among others) this week in launching the Drop Dobbs campaign.

The coalition also launched DropDobbs.com, a new website that demonstrates Dobbs' history of xenophobia and nativism and will monitor his misinformation in the days and weeks to come. Those visiting the site are encouraged to take action by signing a petition telling Dobbs' advertisers to stop sponsoring his hate.

Watch this compelling video to learn more about why dropping Dobbs is so important.

Dobbs obviously isn't taking news of the campaign well. He went on the attack this week by targeting many of the groups in the coalition, calling Media Matters "fleas" and claiming that "Hispanic activist groups" "brand" him a "racist" because he "opposes illegal immigration." Dobbs also slammed various groups for "denigrating the United States for not being sufficiently welcoming" to undocumented immigrants and told what he characterized as a "pretty good joke": that calling him a racist "would make you likely a member of La Raza."

On September 15 and 16, Dobbs appeared at the "Hold Their Feet to the Fire" rally and legislative advocacy event in the nation's capital held by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) -- an organization labeled a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center. More on FAIR, its racist founder, its ties to eugenicists, and the racially charged comments of some of its staff can be found here.

Media Matters' Eric Burns sent an open letter to Klein, the CNN president, noting, "Mr. Dobbs represents an ongoing threat to CNN's credibility as a serious news organization, in no small part because of his polemical coverage of immigration issues and his continued use of his CNN show to lend prominence to groups such as FAIR. The attention and legitimacy he gave to the 'birther' movement -- and CNN's condoning of his actions -- did real damage to that credibility. His participation in the upcoming FAIR rally would do further, serious damage."

In the end, Dobbs promoted a "very special broadcast" from the FAIR event, going so far as to thank the anti-immigrant organization for hosting a "great town hall event" on "amnesty." During his broadcast from the FAIR event, Dobbs embraced discredited birther Jerome Corsi, whom he called a "pretty good guy to talk to" about immigration. He also hosted KHOW's Peter Boyles, a man who once said of a Hispanic accused rapist: "It's, you know, jobs Americans won't do." During his stint as Dobbs' guest, Boyles said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi "looks like Lady Macbeth."

Though Dobbs claimed that "CNN has no role" at FAIR, "it's me, it's this radio show," he and CNN correspondent Lisa Sylvester discussed the FAIR rally on CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight -- of course, they made no mention of Dobbs' involvement in the event. After Media Matters pointed out their lack of disclosure, Dobbs suggested that Media Matters was a "hate group" for calling attention to his FAIR ties.

While Dobbs remains a serious problem, Stephen Colbert, host of Comedy Central's The Colbert Report, had some fun at the CNN host's expense, claiming that he'd lost to Dobbs in his bid to set the "record for the most insults to Mexico in a single nightly news broadcast."

First the "birthers," now the "czar-ers"?

Media conservatives, particularly the folks at Fox News, have been on a crusade of late to rid the Obama administration of czars. You know, because the term sounds foreign ... perhaps Russian ... definitely commie. Of course, in order to fall in line behind their logic, one has to ignore the fact that Republican and Democratic presidents have used the term to identify top advisers for decades. As we noted last week, "In fact, 'czars' were such a non-issue at Fox News during the Bush years that Bill O'Reilly called for the appointment of several new 'czars' to handle immigration, charities, and disaster relief, and not once was he denounced by his colleagues for advocating a 'shadow government' with 'unchecked power.' "

Well, this week was no different. The czar hysteria continued.

Fox News actually set out to explain to viewers why Obama's use of czars was so much worse than President Bush's. The conservative network falsely claimed that The Washington Post reported that Bush had 16 "czars" and that Obama has "twice as many." In fact, in the article Fox News cited, the Post reported, "By one count, Bush had 36 czar positions filled by 46 people during his eight years as president."

Taking a page from the Fox News book, Dobbs also downplayed Bush's use of czars, stating that prior to the Obama administration, "the highest number of czars that we were able to document in our own reporting ... was during the Clinton administration, and he had only 10 czars." I guess Dobbs and his researchers don't read The Washington Post.

Dobbs' report did net the conspiracy-minded CNN host a new nickname, however. MSNBC's Keith Olbermann dubbed Dobbs a "czar-er" in designating him the "Worst Person in the World" for downplaying Bush's use of czars.

This week's media columns

This week's media columns from the Media Matters senior fellows: Eric Boehlert looks at Michelle Malkin and the anatomy of the 2 million protester lie, and Jamison Foser explains how Time magazine enables Glenn Beck's lies.

Greg Lewis tells us how Limbaugh takes race-baiting to puzzling extremes in The Friday Rush, a review of Limbaugh's radio shows over the past week.

This weekly wrap-up was compiled by Karl Frisch, a senior fellow at Media Matters for America. Frisch also contributes to County Fair, a media blog featuring links to progressive media criticism from around the Web as well as original commentary. You can follow him on Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube or sign up to receive his columns by email.

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    • Author by MK Ultra (September 18, 2009 11:25 pm ET)
         
      Nuts just about discribes it. In fact, that should be the name of this new movement sweeping goodness and normalcy out of this country today.
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    • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 18, 2009 11:51 pm ET)
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      The problem with the so-called "liberal" media is that they allow Fox to frame the debate. Fox chooses their stories, and regardless of if other networks pick up on the story, Fox News wins.

      If another news program fails to report on a story, they are part of the "liberal media". If they do report on the story, then they help Fox spread their manufactured news stories beyond their gates, but if that other news program questions the original story, or investigates further, they are cast aside into the "liberal media" pile. Either way, it is a lose-lose situation for the opposition of Fox News sham journalism, and Fox News understands this.

      Consider James O'Keefe, who used this strategy in his sting operations against Planned Parenthood, and then later with ACORN. The organizations can either act on his report, or they can ignore it, but either way, they would be viewed poorly in the public arena, and O'Keefe, or any other activist would win.
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      • Author by luckyinky (September 19, 2009 12:54 am ET)
           
        How can you call this misleading. This opened my eyes and I have done my own research re Obama, Acorn, Apollo, etc along with the corruption!
        Obama surrounds himself with people who have very strange beliefs...Does none of this worry you? I do not trust him or this Administration in any form~
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      • Author by jc@tx (September 19, 2009 1:17 am ET)
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        The problem is that when the other networks report the story, they get it wrong or make it worse. Fox would have no standing if the rest of them got it right. I'm just shaking my head over this. How could the idiots (Beck et al.) be winning?
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        • Author by Patriot49 (September 19, 2009 9:40 am ET)
             
          You posted as if you believed this story to be factual, which it isn't. Oh, sure, there are some tidbits of truth are there. They are just packaged to make the subjects look bad. Read it carefully, jot down the talking points then do your own research. Like WATCH the videos James and Hannah made. Watch Glenn Beck, check his facts. Watch FOX news, and then check their facts. You will find if you are intellectually honest that all these people are telling you the news with truth and a passion for the safety of this Nation.
          God Bless.
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        • Author by No Fool (September 20, 2009 4:46 am ET)
             
          Well stated - the Leftworks DO get the story wrong, when they get the story at all. If they had built and maintained a base of integrity in journalism, instead of being an entertainment platform for selling advertising and ratings, maybe they wouldn't be in this extremely embarrassing position. The left-leaning networks must feel awful to be upstaged and hoodwinked by a brash and ethically loose outfit, such as fox, and to see their own businesses continue to erode and fade into irrelevancy and away from sustainability.

          I would hate to be an organization caught in the crosshairs of O'Keefe or, for that matter, ACORN, that used, and continues to use, similar strong arm tactics to bully the results they seek.

          Sad but interesting times in which we find ourselves.
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        • Author by jimmydeanbakker (September 20, 2009 4:54 pm ET)
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          Beck has a team of researchers including the Heritage Foundation that helps him distort the truth in a logical and precise manner. In fact, the whole Conservative talk radio bunch conspires on each issue and attacks it in a believable and predictable manner that appeals to people looking for simple solutions. The truth takes a backseat to the entertainment value of each program. I think we make a mistake believing that Beck's audience is dumb or lazy or whatever else we may think of them. They are hungry for knowledge, for understanding, for trusting in something tangible; and even if that knowledge instills fear and mistrust, they walk away with a sense of fulfillment.
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        • Author by majorgarrett (September 20, 2009 5:46 pm ET)
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          Beck et al is winning because they have the truth on their side.
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        • Author by yber26 (September 21, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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          "The problem is that when the other networks report the story, they get it wrong or make it worse."

          How is it that that the other networks get it wrong. If they report the news, and that news is not spun to your liking, its wrong?
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          • Author by mary59 (September 21, 2009 7:27 pm ET)
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            The problem is, they are not reporting the news. They're covering spin and lies and claiming it as news. Read the article above and try again, please.
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      • Author by VictorLaszlo (September 20, 2009 6:59 am ET)
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        Yes! Precisely! This little scheme has been driving me nuts, and I was starting to think that I was the only one who saw it for what it is.

        I wrote this at DailyKos earlier, regarding CNN's attempted pushback against Fox:

        CNN is getting played.

        Fox has CNN defending themselves against 'charges' that they didn't cover Fox's ridiculous little event.

        That's pretty pathetic.

        I see it kind of like this:

        Fox: "You guys aren't doing enough to promote Fox News!"
        CNN: "Yes we are, and we'll prove it!"

        CNN is swallowing the bait. Like I said - pathetic.

        CNN: "Be careful, Fox, or we'll run more video of your staged event just to prove you wrong!"

        Fox: "Oh, please don't throw us in the briar patch, Mr. CNN!"







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    • Author by kdill16 (September 19, 2009 12:52 am ET)
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      Glenn Beck said he didn't know if the lady had really shot her husband on his show. He did say SOMEBODY (MSM) should be looking into it. Hannity asked them if they knew if it were true, and the filmmakers said no. So it is FOX's fault that the woman was a compulsive liar. Besides that part of the story wasn't what captivated the public, it was the taxes and child prostitution. The left's attempt to make this something about the conservative media is a loser to the American public. FOX didn't do this to ACORN, ACORN did this to themselves. With as much scrutiny as the left claims ACORN was under, you would think they would police themselves better. You can try to drum up sympathy for this organization, but these tapes have forever tainted them. Defunding ACORN was one of the few bipartisan votes coming out of Washington. That says alot about this issue.
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    • Author by DellDolly (September 19, 2009 1:10 am ET)
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      Another problem in letting those on the right frame the debate is what they use to control that debate.

      For example - SC Rep Joe Wilson is claiming that liberals are USING his "You lie" comment to their advantage. Like liberals made him make a fool of himself! Like it's our fault, and our misdeed, to be pointing out that what he said was totally out of line. We're using it to our advantage, and that's wrong. Huh? What's wrong is that you said it in the first place, Joe.
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      • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 19, 2009 1:36 am ET)
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        What is funny is that Joe Wilson is there to represent Americans, and vote for Americans on legislation, but he has no clear understanding of the legislation, otherwise he would not have yelled "You lie" during a televised speech, unless he did so intentionally, or he too is misinformed because he gets his news from Fox...

        I guess he represents Fox News in Congress, being that he knows as much of the facts as any of the other pundits on that channel.
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      • Author by fairliberal (September 19, 2009 4:39 pm ET)
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        At least Wilson had the decency to admit his mistake and apologize to the pres, unlike the many dems who have also called another pres a liar and never apologized. But hey, they are dems, they are allowed right?
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    • Author by diamonds (September 19, 2009 5:48 am ET)
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      I wouldn't go so far to say coverage is "just nuts," there is just a lack of information, or has been until recently. First we had ACORN denying it even happened, then saying it was unsuccessful, then saying it was doctored and not real, then finally confirming the videos and deciding to launch an "independent investigation" two entire weeks after the controversy started. Whatever the case, there definitely was more than one dishonest group, on both sides.

      Months ago you couldn't get congress to even look at ACORN's voter registration fraud or look into a mysterious missing one million dollars (tax-payer money, mind you) among calls from former members, and now both chambers voted overwhelmingly to cut funding. Considering the previous comments by the congressional leadership, it must be something pretty big to have a vote of that magnitude, and the opinion ACORN is corrupt is certainly not (no longer at least) out of the mainstream.
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      • Author by funnymanpants (September 19, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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        >>Months ago you couldn't get congress to even look at ACORN's voter registration fraud

        Oh really? In actuality, Carl Rove pushed his justice department to do just that, and fired one person because the person realized the attack was partisan. ACORN has never been convicted of voter fraud, despite all the allegations.
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        • Author by fairliberal (September 19, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
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          Their people have been convicted all across the country as you know and more investigations are under way. But I wonder do you hold Blackwater to the same standards as acorn? What has Blackwater been convicted of? Are they as innocent as acorn in your mind? I have seen the evidence of acorn's behavior, do you have any to present against Blackwater?

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      • Author by DellDolly (September 19, 2009 7:37 pm ET)
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        You have grossly distorted reality with your post. There is no evidence that ACORN is corrupt. There is no evidence that there ACORN is a "criminal enterprise" as Karl Rove alleged. There is evidence that they had one employee who embezzled some money. There's evidence that some hired temps submitted falsified voter registration forms. And there's some evidence that a few peons used poor judgment in having discussions with these two videographers. That's not evidence that ACORN is corrupt, and that's only one of the crazy things you said.
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        • Author by delandjim (September 19, 2009 8:39 pm ET)
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          That 'employee' was a founder's BROTHER.

          The New York Times reported on July 9, 2008, that Dale Rathke, the brother of ACORN's founder Wade Rathke, was found to have embezzled $948,607.50 from the group and affiliated charitable organizations back in 1999 and 2000.[1] ACORN executives decided to handle it as an internal matter, and did not inform most of the board members or law enforcement, and instead signed an enforceable restitution agreement with the Rathke family to repay the amount of the embezzlement.

          By the way, they did NOT repay it, the 'Tides' foundation did.

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          • Author by No Fool (September 20, 2009 4:53 am ET)
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            If ACORN is in fact NOT corrupt, then they should have no fear and no objection to an investigation by an independent counsel. Bertha Lewis throwing crumbs by saying that they'll appoint some kind of blue ribbon panel of all friendly and ACORN connected people to audit the organization is like an admission of guilt.

            The last time an ACORN board raised too many questions about the books and goings on of ACORN, they were forced off the board.

            If ACORN is not corrupt (which seems an incredible and fantastically deluded pipe dream at this point), then some transparency on their part and full disclosure should be nothing for them to fear.
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          • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 10:07 am ET)
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            And????? Just because he was a founder's BROTHER doesn't mean that ACORN is corrupt, it just means that the founder's BROTHER was corrupt.

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          • Author by juliajayne1 (September 21, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
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            Actually ACORN threw out the founder.
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      • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 10:06 am ET)
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        ACORN didn't commit voter registration fraud. Some of its EMPLOYEES committed voter registration fraud AGAINST ACORN. ACORN, as the law requires, flagged the suspected fraudulent registrations and turned them in to authorities. ACORN was the injured party in the registration fraud because these EMPLOYEES were paid to register legitimate voters . . . the EMPLOYEES decided they didn't want to, so they just MADE the registrations up.

        We have a local non-profit hospital which had almost a million dollars embezzled by a high level employee and an outside vendor . . . was it the hospital's fault that their employee took money from them?

        Unless someone can show that ACORN ordered, approved and had prior knowledge of any of its former employees' illegal activities, it will be impossible to show that, under the theory of respondeat superior, ACORN is responsible for ANY of its employees' illegal activities.

        Turn off Fox. Of all the stories that are out there right now, ACORN is probably one of the least significant.

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    • Author by Duuuuh (September 19, 2009 6:34 am ET)
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      You guys just don't get it do you? This is exactly why FOX is winning. You ignore what is happening and the people don't like it. So FOX is beating the other "news" providers 5 to 1.

      If this were about a "conservative" group you would be all over it and there would be public hangings. Instead you choose to "kill the messenger" because it does not suit your agenda. As long as you continue this you are simply feeding FOX News ratings.

      Just keep throwing that gas on the fire... sooner or later it's bound to go out.

      So... now you can delete my comment.
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    • Author by GBU-15 (September 19, 2009 8:39 am ET)
         
      No one wants to condone wrongdoing by Acorn. I beleive that Acorn has taken the appropriate steps to fix the problem. The Fox sting just uncovered a few bad actors in the orginization. Can any large orginization really know what all of its employees are doing at any given time? What is of concern is the methods and lengths Fox went to to "get" the story. If Fox were really concerned about the well being of children and child prostituion, being the "fair and balanced" network that it claims to be then why does it not try to find out what is going on with Blackwater in Iraq?
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    • Author by DixieChyc (September 19, 2009 8:50 am ET)
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      Above, Karl Frisch wrote:
      Four videos were being promoted as unimpeachable proof that all of ACORN is equally corrupt -- all 1,200 chapters and hundreds of ACORN employees.

      It's not like this is the first time that ACORN has been in the news. Remember the voter registration issues last year? This was just four more examples of their corruption. ACORN has provable ties with the SEIU, and the SEIU just this week posted this at their Website:

      These extremists will attempt to shut down and shout down anyone with a different point of view. Let's be clear who we are talking about--call them attack dogs, call them Teabaggers, call them Glenn Beck. Their lies, their stunts and their smears will not silence us. Glenn Beck, FOX News and their pals have demonstrated that they don't care about what janitors, security officers, nurses, teachers, and other hardworking Americans go through each day trying to give their kids a better future. But make no mistake--these hardworking women and men will not be the next casualty of the cruel and cheap attempts of a loud and venomous minority to silence people who want to restore the American Dream.

      Wow! Talk about the SEIU stirring the pot and telling whoppers! I have been to four tea parties and there were just regular folks among the thousands! Janitors, security officers, nurses, teachers, and other hardworking Americans were everywhere! Granted, there were a handful of wackos and members of the opposition there to cause trouble, but the majority were the very people that SEIU claims is bring oppressed by Fox News and pals!

      And I have news for the SEIU and ACORN and anyone else who claims we are a bunch of lying, smearing, venomous, Fox-bot attack dogs. You have the right to say whatever you want, but it does not make it true. Facts prove otherwise.
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      • Author by baba19 (September 19, 2009 9:44 am ET)
           
        Wow, thank you for framing the problem with this entire debate, and really most topics on this site, with just two sentences.

        You have the right to say whatever you want, but it does not make it true. Facts prove otherwise.

        "Say what you want, but I'm going to believe what I want to believe and there's nothing you can say to make me think otherwise. Ha!"

        Why even bother entering into a discussion if you are completely unwilling to modify your point of view with new information? That obstinacy, shared by many people right and left, is what allows outlets like Fox to purport and spread their PROPAGANDA.
        THIS ISN'T FOOTBALL! THERE AREN'T TEAMS. THIS SHOULDN'T BE ME AGAINST YOU, WE'RE GOING TO WIN, YOUR TEAM SUCKS!
        This should be a discussion, and if there are differing points of view, then we assess the RATIONAL information and come to consensus. Screaming from the sidelines leaves the authority to debate in the hands of those who claim they have your interests in mind, but will essentially say whatever they can to keep your support and keep them elected. Trust me, they love your "you can say whatever you want, but I'll believe what I want" mentality. BAAH.
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      • Author by Patriot49 (September 19, 2009 9:45 am ET)
           
        ACORN AND SEIU both are headquartered at the same address in New Orleans. There is a committee report listing all known ACORN illegal or highly suspicious business practices. Like labor laws, they fight to make corporations pay above minimum wage, but fight states to keep from paying even minimum wage to its own employees. They internally transfer funds from one group to another in violation of their 501(c)3 status...etc.
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (September 19, 2009 9:47 am ET)
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        Remember the voter registration issues last year?

        Yep. The people who profitted off the fake registrations were prosecuted. Mickey Mouse and Harry Potter didn't vote. The fraud was perpetrated ON ACORN not BY ACORN.

        But Ann Coulter did vote twice.

        I have been to four tea parties and there were just regular folks among the thousands!

        Lots of regular folks who are misinformed, uninformed, and who want to take their country back from the black man.
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        • Author by DixieChyc (September 19, 2009 10:03 am ET)
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          You just had to try to racebait in the end. Too bad it does not work. It is getting tired and worn out. But I get it. When the chips are down, the race card is the one pulled most often. Try something else.
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          • Author by fairliberal (September 19, 2009 1:44 pm ET)
               
            The race card is all they have, they have no other choice but to use it. The American people are getting tired of it and the 2010 results will show it.
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          • Author by loonz (September 20, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
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            I think a lot of the antagonism towards ACORN is that they help minorities. The voter registration problem wasn't an issue because even if the employees filled out registration forms w/ fake names and those names somehow made it onto the voter registration rolls, Mickey Mouse and Harry Potter weren't going to show up to vote. I think this voter registration thing became this grand conspiracy to conservatives because in your mind it's the only way a black guy could win.
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          • Author by peace4all (September 19, 2009 4:56 pm ET)
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            i completely agree with you, the race card is getting old. so let's say the majority are not racist. then they are grossly misinformed. they wat to take "their country back." from who? the majority of the people who voted for this govenment? sounds kind unpatiotic, don't you think? they want to cut spending. really? now? after eight years of running up spending on two wars, tax cuts for the richest americans and corporations and an unfunded medicare program? where was their outrage then? sure, you say you were angry then. but what i remember was any critisism was called unpatritioc and worse by you guys. so that story hold no weight. maybe instead of trying to take your country back you should work WITH the majority of people in this country who are tring to make a difference and move forward. you guys on the right are always going on about personal responsiblity, maybe you should practice what you preach and admit that the last eight years are what got us to this point and help fix what you helped to break.
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            • Author by DixieChyc (September 20, 2009 9:45 am ET)
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              peace4all, thanks for the response. Let's just clear up that I am an independent, fiscal conservative, albiet right-leaning. You look at the past eight years as the dark ages full of strife and so-forth; and it appears that you see no good. I look at the past eight years and see many things I did not agree with, but I also see many things I did agree with and appreciate. I believe 911 changed Bush overnight; he felt the wound within him nearly as much as anyone inside the Twin Towers. Bush became overly focused on terrorism after 911. But you cannot argue with the fact that America had no more terrorist attacks on Bush's watch; he did keep us safe. I do not agree with you that it was the last 8 years that caused America's current woes. It is more like the past at least 50 years of taxing citizens to give to special interests on ALL sides of the political spectrum. Govt is too big, too many special interests with their hands out, and too many federal grants for studies and projects in our institutions of higher learning; I could go on.
              You said that the tea baggers and town hallers (those who want to take their country back) are unpatriotic? That is the same BS tactic used by the Republicans! Calling dissention unpatriotic is wrong no matter who uses it. Our Constitution upholds the right to dissent - to disagree. Let us hope that right never gets taken away.

              You suggested this:
              ...maybe instead of trying to take your country back you should work WITH the majority of people in this country who are tring to make a difference and move forward...
              Therein lies the rub. I can no more sit back and remain silent than did Paul Revere, Benjamin Franklin, JFK, Ronald Reagan, or Martin Luther King. And in my observation, it is the once-silent majority middle America that is ivolved in the Tea Party movement. Our numbers are growing.
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              • Author by peace4all (September 20, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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                Bush's watch; he did keep us safe

                well then i guess that clinton kept us safe as well, there were no more attacks on our country by terrorists after the 1st trade center attack either. (oklahoma was a right wing nut no al queda) and he did it without stripping our right away and locking up people for years with no charges.

                Bush became overly focused on terrorism after 911.

                is that why he abandon afganistan and took us into a totally unrelated war in iraq? that had zero to do with terrorism.

                It is more like the past at least 50 years of taxing citizens to give to special interests on ALL sides of the political spectrum. Govt is too big, too

                i love this arguement. if it has been the last 50 years then where is your outrage as to why none of this was fixed prior to january. i did not see tea parties when the right was in charge and had us involved in two unfunded wars while giveing tax breaks to the rich and to corporations. where was the outrage when bushed signed an unfunded medicare program. it seems suspect at best that now, when a democrat is in office that the right has suddenly seen the light.

                town hallers (those who want to take their country back) are unpatriotic? That is the same BS tactic used by the Republicans!

                really? because i did not see alot of support from the right when we on the left were calling for changes in policy enacted by the bush administration and the republican congress. all i heard on every talk show and blog was how if we on the left didn't like it we were free to move to france otherwise we should just shut up. of course i would love to see some links from posts you made back then show your support for our dissent.
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              • Author by VictorLaszlo (September 20, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
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                But you cannot argue with the fact that America had no more terrorist attacks on Bush's watch; he did keep us safe

                By what twisted logic does 'presided over 9/11' equal 'kept us safe?'

                'Bush kept us safe' might be the single greatest mass delusion of the American right.

                So I guess if there's a massive terrorist attack tomorrow, then no more attacks for the remainder of Obama's term, we can say 'Obama kept us safe!'

                Right?

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                • Author by highliter (September 21, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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                  How diluted are you to blame 9-11 on Bush. The attack was planed people were trained all under Clinton. Not to mention the fact that Clinton had Bin Laden offered to him on a silver platter after the first bombing and attack on the Cole and let him go because he didn’t want to deal with it.

                  If there was a attack tomorrow and it was found to be planned and organized during the bush admin the it would be Bushes fault.
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                  • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 2:11 pm ET)
                       
                    Diluted??????
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                    • Author by juliajayne1 (September 21, 2009 2:30 pm ET)
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                      I wonder if "planed people" was a Freudian slip too.
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                      • Author by mary59 (September 21, 2009 7:39 pm ET)
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                        How do we find the planed people? Are they in the sky? Did they exist before Bill Clinton, [hint: under Ronald Reagan's funding of the Taliban/BinLaden "freedom fighters"]

                        or are they diluted by H2O or just too obese from eating freedom fries and watching crazy tawk from faux about the silver platter fairy tale.
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                  • Author by The_Cat (September 21, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
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                    Osama bin Laden was trained by the CIA under Reagan and Bush I to fight Commies in Afghanistan, highliter. I understand that this is too factual for you, but it remains the truth.

                    Remember the first WTC bombing, in 1993? Those responsible were found, tried, convicted, and serve their sentences. No waterboarding, no domestic spying program, no Gitmo detention facility necessary.

                    Bush II was warned of the imminence of the attacks, had good intelligence on where and when they would take place, and chose to ignore it. At the very least, this makes him complicit in the attacks. Everything he did after had already been planned by PNAC, and 9-11 was just the handy excuse they needed to implement it. I distinctly remember high administration officials describing 9-11, not as a tragedy, but as an opportunity, for this very reason.
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 20, 2009 4:43 pm ET)
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                But you cannot argue with the fact that America had no more terrorist attacks on Bush's watch; he did keep us safe
                One word: Anthrax.

                Thanks for playing, you win no prize, and your ignorance means you aren't even entitled to any parting gifts, not even the Rice-A-Roni.
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              • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 10:12 am ET)
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                Oh, give me a break!

                I'm part of that "slient majority middle America," and I think you are full of the BS you pick up on Fox.

                I live in the second most conservative area in the country--according to AOL poll--and the people like you are few and far between. You aren't a conservative, you are simply a groupie.

                BTW, you are in the minority. The teabagger rally attracted fewer people than the UT-Texas Tech football game Saturday night in Austin.
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              • Author by diogenie27611 (September 21, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
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                Bush did not keep us safe and we are still suffering from Terrorist attacks. Those attacks are just in Afganistan and Iraq instead of Yemen and Nairobi
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          • Author by overmars jr. (September 19, 2009 6:21 pm ET)
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            Oh give over, already! We've all seen the damn signs. We've all heard Rush, Hannity and Savage air bigotry for years? We all heard Bedwet Becky call the president "a racist" and claim he was planning to steal in the name of reparations. We have heard and seen it all ad nauseum from the far right.

            If you want to cover your eyes and sing LALALALALA to avoid the reality of what motivates a large swath of these particular protests and protesters, then I would suggest holding back on the "fool" insults.
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          • Author by steveanders_62273 (September 21, 2009 1:37 pm ET)
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            It's amazing that Jesse Jackson, AL Sharpton, Van Jones, Eric Holder, Rev Wright, Jimmy Carter or even Obama (according to Beck and Dobbs) are all racist but there don't appear to be any racists on the other side of the aisle. When someone speaks up in defense of minorities "they hate white people" yet you can say anything up to calling some one an N and it is just opposition to his poolicy. Is it not racist to

            Not believe the President's Citizienship?
            Call the President Halfrican
            Paint Joker White face poster of the president
            Have pictures depicting the president as a monkey

            How can you definitively say that people are not racist in their statements of I want my country back? What do they want their country back from. What has President Obama done to harm the country that other Presidents have not done?

            By the way, how is the stock market doing now? Isn't that how Repubs judge the economy?
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      • Author by funnymanpants (September 19, 2009 12:25 pm ET)
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        >>But make no mistake--these hardworking women and men will not be the next casualty of the cruel and cheap attempts of a loud and venomous minority to silence people who want to restore the American Dream.

        Are you serious? The minority are the tea baggers. We had a big public even to see which ideas the American public liked better. It was called an election. And our side won.

        As far as facts go, ACORN has never been convicted of voter fraud. Likewise, you haven't pointed out the problems with O'Keefe and Giles, the subject of this MMFA item.
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        • Author by galileonardo (September 19, 2009 11:22 pm ET)
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          You really are funny. ACORN has never been convicted of voter fraud? I guess this website is just a big pile of propaganda then. Thanks for clarifying. For the sake of full disclosure, I haven't verified a single one of those fraud allegations. You can if you'd like. My guess is when you're done they'll mostly be accurate and you will not come back to recant your statement. Par for the course on this site.
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          • Author by fairliberal (September 20, 2009 2:09 pm ET)
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            Didn't you know Galileonardo, those examples are just a vast right wing conspiracy picking on poor acorn. It is only companies and organizations that righties are affiliated with that are corrupt. I am waiting for Obama to have some words on the issue, he was so quick to take sides in the Prof Gates incident, why is he so silent now?
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          • Author by VictorLaszlo (September 20, 2009 3:20 pm ET)
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            The right-wing mouthpieces focus on ACORN because ACORN registers poor people and minorities to vote. That's threatening to Republicans, so ACORN is demonized.

            That's the whole story. You're basically helping your Masters subjugate the peasants who reside a rung or two below peasants such as yourself on the socioeconomic ladder. Proud?
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            • Author by galileonardo (September 20, 2009 10:29 pm ET)
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              For every "peasant" ACORN helps register, there is a rich figure like a Dallas Cowboy or Mickey Mouse who gains suffrage through ACORN so socioeconomically it all balances out.

              Proud? No. With or without ACORN the good news for you is that with bills like those being thrown around Washington today we'll have lots more company on the bottom rungs and that's the goal, isn't it?
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              • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 10:22 am ET)
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                Excuse me, but unless and until Mickey Mouse or Tony Romo VOTE, there is no voter fraud and the person who votes with those fraudulent registrations is the guilty party, not the person who registered them. You are confusing voter fraud with voter registration fraud.
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                • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 21, 2009 10:48 am ET)
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                  You are confusing voter fraud with voter registration fraud.
                  No surprise there, "galileonardo" (both figures he uses for his handle are probably spinning in their graves from the association with such a logic-impaired fool) confuses logical fallacy with logical argument with every post he makes.
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                  • Author by galileonardo (September 21, 2009 5:51 pm ET)
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                    Oh, how I wish I could be on the ACORN/Washington lobbyist payroll and sit here and type propaganda all day. You guys are lucky.

                    You guys might want to blame the fraud on the registrars, but you ignore the illegal system ACORN set up to compensate these workers. Can you say "scapegoats?"

                    Others have mentioned the Rathke brothers (Rat brothers suffices for me) and dubious "business" practices have been and continue to be litigated.

                    They're a great bunch all right. The only confused lot here are you ACORN apologists.
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          • Author by jmille426471 (September 21, 2009 7:01 am ET)
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            You are one thick brick.

            EMPLOYEES of ACORN were convicted of voter registration fraud. You know why? Because ACORN delivered suspicious voter registration registration forms to authorities, as they are obligated to by law. ACORN did NOTHING wrong. There has been documented of voter registration resulting in someone actually voting illegally in the last 30 years.

            For the record, I dont expect you comprehend any of this, so go right on gullibly blamin ACORN for country's problems, just like the real culprits in Wall Street, K Street, Iraqi contractors the Republican party want you to do.
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            • Author by jmille426471 (September 21, 2009 7:45 am ET)
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              correction: "There have been documented no documented of voter registration resulting in someone actually voting illegally in the last 30 years."

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              • Author by galileonardo (September 21, 2009 6:01 pm ET)
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                Were it only true. It is kind of hard to convict a dead person.
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                • Author by jmille426471 (September 21, 2009 7:33 pm ET)
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                  Yadda, yadda. Most apparent cases of dead people voting result from simple clerical errors, where a vote was attributed to the wrong person, meaning that the vote was merely displaced, not that there was an extra vote cast. I hope you are aware of the real reason repubs are stoking paranoia about voter fraud. It's to keep as many people from being registered as possible.
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            • Author by galileonardo (September 21, 2009 5:59 pm ET)
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              If you call having your offices raided by authorities "[delivering] suspicious voter registration forms to authorities" then I'm not the thick one.
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              • Author by jmille426471 (September 21, 2009 6:59 pm ET)
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                Huh? How does being investigated mean being charged with anything, much less convicted?

                Do you really think this disproves anything I said?
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          • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 10:20 am ET)
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            Voter registration fraud--perpetrated by employees of ACORN who were paid by ACORN to register voters who instead made up registration forms for Mickey Mouse and Paul Newman in exchange for payment. ACORN is the victim of this voter REGISTRATION fraud. They paid for a product which they did not get. Oh, and those false registration forms--ACORN, as required by law, flagged the forms as potentially fraudulent when they were turned in to election officials.

            Voter fraud--a person with a phony registration for Mickey Mouse somehow shows up at the voting booth and is allowed by an idiot elections worker to vote illegally. The victim is the American public.

            Voter registration fraud and voter fraud are two ENTIRELY different things. Voter fraud rarely occurs.
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      • Author by overmars jr. (September 19, 2009 6:15 pm ET)
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        Ummm... how on Earth did SIEU "stir the pot"? They'd already had a bullseye planted on them by fat idiots making over $20 million a year to lie.

        Good grief, join us on Earth.
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      • Author by lewismadmax (September 19, 2009 11:44 pm ET)
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        What people dont get is Glen Beck is listed as an entertainment/talk show, he is not a journalist, he is a talk show host as opposed to Dan Rather who worked for a NEWS organization and had an obligation to research his stories....hasnt anyone around here been a journalist?
        Dan Rather did a story based on forged documents (the guy that gave them to him stated they might be forged) about the President for 14 days, he was the reporter and executive producer of a NEWS show.
        Glenn Beck is a talk show host like those dizzy girls on the view or like Oprah, he has never proported to be a joiurnalist.
        The standards are clearly different, One reports news, the other an opinion!
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      • Author by No Fool (September 20, 2009 4:58 am ET)
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        I have to say that the ACORN thug squads, paid for with tax payer dollars, bused in to various public meetings to shout down and disrupt the democratic process, are eerily reminiscent of the exact same tactic used against any citizen that would show up at any public event during the Bush administration. I think that the Dems, and, in particular, the formerly disenfranchised of society that have found strength in ACORN's numbers, have learned that lesson very well. The sad thing is that a lot of paid astroturfing, funded by tax payers, to promote one party's message, is wrong, whether it is being abused by the Republicans or the Democrats. I feel much more sad watching it now as I always held (naively? foolishly? unjustifiably?) the Democratic party as being somehow morally or ethically superior to the hateful Republicans.
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      • Author by loonz (September 20, 2009 3:44 pm ET)
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        Wow! Talk about the SEIU stirring the pot and telling whoppers! I have been to four tea parties and there were just regular folks among the thousands! Janitors, security officers, nurses, teachers, and other hardworking Americans were everywhere! Granted, there were a handful of wackos and members of the opposition there to cause trouble, but the majority were the very people that SEIU claims is bring oppressed by Fox News and pals!


        My opinion is different. These teabaggers are selfish individuals and they don't want debate and that's why they went to the town hall meetings and shouted down congressmen and in one case chased them; shouted down Americans who had no insurance or were the victims of the private insurance industry; and spouted talking points from right-wing sources not knowing if the "facts" were true. A tea bagger actually called a Jewish guy a Nazi because he was explaining the virtues of the Israeli heath care system. These people are irrationality and ignorance among the tea baggers is astounding.

        Also, by the looks of the crowds most of these teabaggers are on some government program or low wage earners and they're letting multi-millionaires lead them around.
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        • Author by highliter (September 21, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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          Wow you are judging people to be on government programs by their looks alone. I don’t even know what to say other than wow just wow.
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          • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
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            Why are you so shocked? You judge people here and give them labels simply because they disagree with your nonsense.
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            • Author by highliter (September 21, 2009 2:24 pm ET)
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              LOL nice comeback but but you do it to. And im quite sure ive never labeled anyone based solely on how they look.

              Guess that all you can come up with when your trying to defend the undefendable .
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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (September 20, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
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        Granted, there were a handful of wackos and members of the opposition there to cause trouble, but the majority were the very people that SEIU claims is bring oppressed by Fox News and pals!

        Why didn't ANY of the speakers who stood on stage, request the crowds remove the wackos with the racist signs?

        WHY didn't ANY speaker say to the crowd, all you folks with derogatory signs, pile them up in trash cans, that's not what this movement is about. If you folks see a derogatory signs, ask that person to put it in the trash, that's not what this movement is about.

        But no one did ANYTHING.

        You stood silent and continued to stand silent, while leading teabagger, Mark Williams, wrote racist, derogatory remarks about President Obama.

        And NOW you want to complain because the news coverage shows plenty of racist and bigots as teabaggers?

        Who's fault is that?
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        • Author by mary59 (September 21, 2009 7:52 pm ET)
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          That's it. Some folks on here say, I go to these mad tea parties, and I'm not corporate owned, or a racist. So what? Do you read any of the signs around you and talk to some of the other people there?

          It's obvious that it's not just a few people spouting this stuff at these rallies, either. And you do know who is supplying the advertising, talking points, and money to start these things?

          If you want to attach your taxes=bad libertarianism to a crowd of bigots and ignorant, uninformed louts, you'll find yourself joined at the hip with a pretty cold-hearted community.
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      • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 10:08 am ET)
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        You have no facts, just hyperbole and distortions that you parrot from Fox.

        Get a life and turn off the television. You might actually learn something.
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      • Author by steveanders_62273 (September 21, 2009 1:24 pm ET)
           
        "I have been to four tea parties"

        I find it fascinating that there can be this much opposition to a President Obama in 8 Months because he is trying to provide health care for people who dont have it and he is trying to save our econonmy. I also find it is amazing that Obama is being called a socialist when Bush bailed out the banks and the autos.

        What specific policies are the Tea Party people protesting? It really makes no rational sense to me.

        I dont remember Bush getting this much oosition and large scale protests ( those that did protest were called unamerican) atleast had valid opposition. Tax cuts for the wealthiest people and the unnecessary war in Iraq.
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    • Author by Patriot49 (September 19, 2009 9:35 am ET)
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      I find that this report is highly misleading and unworthy of print. FOX news has been doing some outstanding work. If you want to nit pick about a slip of the tongue every once in awhile that is your prerogative. But this story reeks of someone with an agenda and facts be damned. I could go line by line, but what's the point? You won't change your mind or your methods. I AM informed. When FOX slips up they usually correct it.

      And ACORN does stand to get 4.5 Billion dollars in the Stimulus package. Or are you one of the ones that didn't read it also?

      Enough said.
      WE ARE RIGHT! YOU ARE WRONG! END OF STORY! (Andrew Wilkow, Sirius, channel 144, 11:00 to 1:00 CDT)
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    • Author by Patriot49 (September 19, 2009 9:52 am ET)
         
      Who is karl Frisch? What are his affiliations. Is he an SEIU member? He sure writes like he is.

      Just curious.
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    • Author by Patriot49 (September 19, 2009 9:55 am ET)
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      In an earlier post I asked who is Karl Frisch. Never mind. I googled his name. And figured it out. Media Matters apparently scans the news, then attacks any conservative viewpoint. That explains the above "story" cause that is what it is. Hey Karl, the truth will out and your spin isn't going to work anymore.

      CYA!
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    • Author by Jurgan (September 19, 2009 10:57 am ET)
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      "Media conservatives, particularly the folks at Fox News, have been on a crusade of late to rid the Obama administration of czars. You know, because the term sounds foreign ... perhaps Russian ... definitely commie."

      You're probably right, and isn't that just hilarious? The communists hated the czars, to the point that they overthrew the czar system. How many of these people know the difference?

      That said, I don't know why there's the fascination with czars. It's not a partisan issue, but I don't get why anyone wants to have government officials remind people of brutal dictatorships. It just seems like a dumb title, even if it's unofficial.
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      • Author by No Fool (September 20, 2009 5:21 am ET)
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        Who was the first "czar" in U.S. Gov't? Was't that during the Reagan years? an appointment for the War on Drugs? Anyway, I think the idea of "czars" in government is bad, not for the unfortunate choice of moniker for the post but because it's a grab by the executive branch to grab power that belongs to another branch of government. As I've always understood it, these kind of "czar" posts were created for an extreme situation that warranted extreme measures and that the "czar" would be empowered to act a bit above and beyond the normal channels of other government offices, so as to effect the desired and much needed change more efficiently.

        I wish that they'd cook up a new name for these kind of jobs. Trying to load it with some kind of meaning that is somehow politically loaded for one party or the other is just the stuff that morons feed on. Save that for People magazine or the tabloids or the TV news - all of which is criminally inept.
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      • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 10:23 am ET)
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        They aren't media "conservatives," they are simply entertainers giving a certain segment of the population the information that the segment wants to hear. It's not about conservatism v. liberalism.
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    • Author by Joepalooka (September 19, 2009 11:04 am ET)
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      If you get your news from right-wing talk radio and Fox News, you probably think America is being overrun by a hyper-corrupt organized prostitution ring headquartered in the White House.

      Your hyperbole is palpable - interesting read but credibility is lacking.
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    • Author by bvb720 (September 19, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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      Key word is A.C.O.R.N. is no longer funded by the tax payers of the United States.
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      • Author by funnymanpants (September 19, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
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        >>Key word is A.C.O.R.N. is no longer funded by the tax payers of the United States.

        They only got 3.5 million to begin with, so it hardly makes any difference. But now that they are not funded, it ceases to be a political issue. I know the right-wingers hillarously thought this would bring down Obama. Most people don't even know or care about ACORN.

        (By the way, isn't a "key word" one word?)
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        • Author by fairliberal (September 19, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
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          3.5 million? You should check your facts. According to HUD they alone have given acorn 42 million since 2000 .
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        • Author by galileonardo (September 20, 2009 12:32 am ET)
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          Funny stuff. "They only got 3.5 million to begin with" and MMfA states the same saying they received "$53 million in federal funds over 15 years".

          So do you actually think ACORN's funding was not going up up up with the $5.2 billion allocated to CDBG/NSP programs by the stimulus bill? FactCheck says ACORN "would be eligible to compete for NSP funds ($4.2 billion)" as it already does for CDBG funds ($1 billion). FactCheck neglected to say what percentage of CDBG funds ACORN has received in the past. I wonder why.

          FactCheck claims that competition for such funds is "stiff" but since "ACORN is the nation’s largest grassroots community organization of low- and moderate-income people with over 400,000 member families organized into more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters in about 75 cities across the country" one would assume that they would have gotten their fair share of the funding, despite Bertha Lewis' claim that they "have no plans to apply for such funds."

          FactCheck focuses on the "eligible" and "compete" part and there makes their "stiff" reference. Well, they are indeed eligible - there is no argument there from either side. As to whether or not they would have been competitive, well, given what was revealed about ACORN's accounting practices in the clandestine tapes, they would have been very competitive indeed.
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          • Author by loonz (September 20, 2009 4:04 pm ET)
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            The Fact Check article makes two points that I think you neglected to read:

            But those funds cannot be used for anything resembling ACORN’s controversial voter registration programs. HUD has very strict rules for projects that can be funded through CDBG grants, including promotion of home ownership and micro-enterprise assistance. ACORN has long been eligible for CDBG funds, and Boehner’s Web site points out that the group has received almost $1.6 million (not billion) in CDBG grants over a four-year span.


            Moreover, ACORN is already indirectly eligible for NSP money; current law permits state and local governments to subcontract work, and ACORN would be eligible to compete for funds at the local level. However, ACORN didn’t get any NSP money last year and says it doesn’t plan to apply for NSP money in the future. Indeed, renovating foreclosed properties is not something the group has done in the past; its efforts in the home-buying industry focus mainly on developing new affordable housing and eliminating what it calls "predatory financial practices" by mortgage lenders.
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            • Author by galileonardo (September 20, 2009 10:35 pm ET)
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              Thank you for pointing that Boehner line out. I did miss that first pass.

              I did comment about your second point in my initial post though, going so far as to quote Bertha and pointing out that ACORN's apparent accounting philosophy will make them competitive in seeking NSP funds. That will allow them to expand into new areas of fraud like home renovation. It's in their business model.
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              • Author by galileonardo (September 21, 2009 1:30 am ET)
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                Wait a minute. I take my thanks back regarding your point 1. Pretty sneaky though. Kudos for getting that past me the first time 'round.

                What I said in my initial post was "FactCheck neglected to say what percentage of CDBG funds ACORN has received in the past." You pointed out that the story said $1.6 million over the last four years. That still doesn't say what percentage of CDBG funds ACORN garnered. Is $400k/year 1%? 5%? It's relevant because one could extrapolate what piece of the $1 billion pie ACORN might have gotten (had they not imploded).

                So both points you said I neglected to read were addressed correctly in my original post and (for future reference) your post was thus unnecessary. I accept your apology in advance.
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                • Author by loonz (September 21, 2009 6:29 am ET)
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                  This PDF say the CDBG was allocated 3.7B dollars for the fiscal year of 2006 which was a 10% percent drop from the prior year. If ACORN got 400K of that money in 2006 than the approximate percentage is 0.01%.

                  And the second part of your first post is pure BS. ACORN did not apply for NSP funds because what the funds are used for is something that ACORN doesn't do.
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                  • Author by galileonardo (September 21, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
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                    Was that PDF part of the FactCheck story or something you found independently? If it was included (I still couldn't find it), my statement was incorrect.

                    If this is something you found, then my statement is still valid: FactCheck neglected to say what percentage of CDBG funds ACORN has received in the past.

                    Furthermore, your number breakdown does not account for what percentage of funds ACORN received in comparison to other community organizations doing the same work they are doing, nor does it speak to how "entitlement communities" and local governments administer CDBG funds. The PDF you provided does not answer the specifics of that and my guess is an investigation into how those funds are actually used would uncover a corrupt mess (my cynicism speaking). So you throwing 0.01% out there is the same to me as Hannity saying billions. Both dubious.

                    As for my second "pure BS" part, you note that ACORN doesn't do NSP-related activities and Bertha backs you up. That being said, I do not see it as a stretch at all to see them getting involved in that fresh pie.

                    Ironically (you're gonna love this), I think they should get involved in NSP if the money is out there. They could set up a system like Habitat for Humanity where the recipients of the housing get involved in the hands-on rehabilitation of the property and thus have a greater stake in maintaining it.

                    That sure would be better than the HUD system in my neighborhood (the three HUD properties within 200 feet of my home now look like hell and one is a well-known drug den. Go team!
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                  • Author by galileonardo (September 21, 2009 5:30 pm ET)
                       
                    Forgot to mention, thanks for the PDF. You introduced me to the term "entitlement communities." Why would the CDBG use a term like that rather than something like "communities in need" or something else that is less offensive?

                    "Entitlement communities" is a slap in the face to the people who live in poor cities. Perhaps inadvertently, it perpetuates the idea that people within such communities need to depend on the government for their needs to be fulfilled. Upon second thought, there is likely nothing inadvertent about it all.
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      • Author by fairliberal (September 19, 2009 1:47 pm ET)
           
        Good riddance.
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    • Author by fairliberal (September 19, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
         
      There is mothing misleading about Fox's coverage, they merely presented the video evidence, the acorn crooks hung themselves. What is misleading is the absence of coverage by other networks. They only cover republican scandals, the libs can do what they want.
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    • Author by proudconservative (September 19, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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      Karl baby,

      You forgot to add this to the nuttiness....Your pal Eric said that Kennedy was killed by right-winged hatred.

      But wasn't Oswald at tad to the LEFT in his political thinking?

      Anywho, thanks for the entertainment value this site provides! Toodles :>

      Speaking truth to/about progressives

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      • Author by eweston8542983 (September 19, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
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        Proud baby,

        You neglected to offer any evidence. An old complaint against you and so unfair I know.

        Do you find equal entertaiment viewing old test paterns. The actual information gleamed by you from each seems equivilent.

        Get some dentures, end your toothlessness.
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      • Author by funnymanpants (September 19, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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        >>But wasn't Oswald at tad to the LEFT in his political thinking?

        What does this have to do with the post? Anyway, Oswald was a nut, someone hard to pin down either way. That doesn't mean right-wing hatred didn't kill JFK.
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        • Author by proudconservative (September 19, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
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          Hard to pin down???!!

          Yeah, Oswald was probably a member of the John Birch Society!! :>

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          • Author by vhw28672478 (September 19, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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            wrong again
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          • Author by DellDolly (September 19, 2009 7:41 pm ET)
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            Oswald was a misfit who kept trying to fit into society, any society, any community, and he kept failing. The hatred of John Kennedy was fueled by the right.
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            • Author by galileonardo (September 20, 2009 12:00 am ET)
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              John Wilkes Booth kills Abe Lincoln = Democrat kills Republican
              Charles Guiteau kills James Garfield = Republican kills Republican
              Leon Czolgosz kills William McKinley = Leftist Anarchist kills Republican
              Lee Harvey Oswald kills JFK = Leftist Socialist kills Democrat (do any of you believe JFK would be a Democrat today?)
              Sirhan Sirhan kills RFK = Leftist Communist kills Democrat (ditto)

              Anybody see a trend there?
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              • Author by jjamele2880 (September 20, 2009 9:06 am ET)
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                "Raises hand" um, yes, I think John F Kennedy would be a Democrat today. Because I can't imagine JFK being a member of the party of Tea-Baggers, Fox News, Just Say NO to Cooperation in Congress, and Corporations over People.

                I have zero doubt that JFK would be a Democrat were he alive today. He wouldn't be happy with the Democratic Party for lacking the courage of it's alleged convictions, but he'd be a Democrat. He sure as h*ll would not be a Republican.
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                • Author by galileonardo (September 20, 2009 1:49 pm ET)
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                  From the mouth of JFK, starting with his most famous quote:

                  Entitlements
                  "And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
                  "Once you say you're going to settle for second, that's what happens to you in life."
                  "Those who dare to fail miserably can achieve greatly."
                  "Things do not happen. Things are made to happen."

                  Government spending/taxation
                  "The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy."
                  "The time to repair the roof is when the sun is shining."

                  Military
                  "A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living. Today's military rejects include tomorrow's hard-core unemployed."
                  "Our growing softness, our increasing lack of physical fitness, is a menace to our security."

                  War/foreign policy
                  "Now we have a problem in making our power credible, and Vietnam is the place."
                  "War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today."
                  "In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility - I welcome it."
                  "It is an unfortunate fact that we can secure peace only by preparing for war."

                  Communism
                  "Communism has never come to power in a country that was not disrupted by war or corruption, or both."
                  "When written in Chinese, the word 'crisis' is composed of two characters. One represents danger and the other represents opportunity."
                  "There are many people in the world who really don't understand-or say they don't-what is the great issue between the free world and the Communist world. Let them come to Berlin!"
                  (that last one sound like another American president?)

                  Israel
                  "Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom."

                  Washington
                  "Washington is a city of Southern efficiency and Northern charm."

                  God
                  "Those whom God has so joined together, let no man put asunder."
                  "With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own."

                  And my favorites:
                  "The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission."
                  "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
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                  • Author by VictorLaszlo (September 20, 2009 3:35 pm ET)
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                    And my favorites:
                    "The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission."
                    "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."


                    And... you think that would make him a Republican? Because Democrats are against defending our country or something?
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                    • Author by galileonardo (September 20, 2009 10:40 pm ET)
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                      No, those are simply my favorites because I personally find them inspiring, JFK's way of saying, "We have not yet begun to fight." I take that message to heart and plan on continuing my fight against unbridled government expansion.
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                  • Author by jmille426471 (September 21, 2009 7:32 am ET)
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                    You sir are no John F. Kennedy.

                    The quotes which you say adress entitlements don't adress entitlements at all. You're grasping at some thin straws there.

                    And as is typical, for Kennedy's quotes on taxes you parrot republican talking points which take these quotes idiotically out of context. The fact that conservatives wish they could bury is that the top-end tax rate was 90% at the beginning of his presidency. And he lowered this to the mid 70's.

                    And as for his comments on the military, your point is what exactly?

                    For war/foreign policy, did you not expect us to read those quotes? They sound either lukewarm or relatively dovish. The only quote that sounds conservative was the one regarding his worst mistake; escalation of the Vietnam war.

                    Furthermore, you're favorites don't reflect terribly well on conservatives. They seem to have a hard time with sacrifice when it comes to paying taxes for the good of society.

                    And I will further remind you that Kennedy insisted on separation of church and state, largely to keep people from perceiving his Catholicism as having undue influence on his governing.

                    The rest of the quotes are largely uncontroversial.

                    Yep, you took the most conservative quotes you could find from Kennedy, and still couldn't make him look conservative, that should tell you something.
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                    • Author by galileonardo (September 21, 2009 9:50 pm ET)
                         
                      Those quotes do not address entitlements? I guess I should have said "entitlement mentality." Now do you get it?

                      Next you admitted that JFK lowered taxes on the rich (sound familiar?).

                      The military quotes were just to illustrate that JFK was not exactly PC in his defense of defense.

                      As for war/foreign policy, I can't see how you could translate those as being "relatively dovish." If Bush said, "I welcome it," pundits would still be using it to illustrate that he was a warmonger. Oh wait. He did say "Bring it on" and was lambasted for it (justly in my opinion). And, btw, would JFK's stance on Cuba be considered "dovish?"

                      My favorite line of yours though is "[Conservatives] seem to have a hard time with sacrifice when it comes to paying taxes for the good of society." This illustrates perfectly why you are a fiscal liberal (you feel the ever-growing burden on people through government expansion, i.e. higher taxes, is for "the good of society") and I am a fiscal conservative (imo the government today is the largest obstacle to prosperity for all classes).

                      And finally, something we can agree on. I wholeheartedly endorse the separation of church and state and abhor the typical "conservative" stance on the issue. I am an agnostic and feel the government should stick to what the First Amendment says without wiggle room. In other words, stay the hell out of the religion business and stick to what you're good at: robbing us blind.

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                    • Author by galileonardo (September 21, 2009 11:07 pm ET)
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                      Since you enjoyed my quotes so much, I included some more contemporary Obama quotes so you could compare and contrast.

                      "I think when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody." AND "This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably." (No comment.)

                      "I found this national debt, doubled, wrapped in a big bow waiting for me as I stepped into the Oval Office." ("So I figured I would quadruple it my first year in office. Size matters right?")

                      "Today we begin in earnest the work of making sure that the world we leave our children is just a little bit better than the one we inhabit today." ("And by taking all of our children's money, they won't need to worry about stressful little things like jobs or capital. Don't worry. The government willl take care of you.")

                      On that same vein: "It is only government that can break the vicious cycle where lost jobs lead to people spending less money which leads to even more layoffs." (All glory to the hypno-toad.)

                      "In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world." (You lika da Socialist Party, no?)

                      "I can make a firm pledge, under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." AND "I will cut taxes - cut taxes - for 95 percent of all working families, because, in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle class." (How is that one panning out?)

                      "I don't take a dime of their [lobbyist] money, and when I am president, they won't find a job in my White House." (All of those lobbyists he brought on are working pro bono.)

                      "I cannot swallow whole the view of Lincoln as the Great Emancipator." (et tu, Abe?)

                      "John Kerry believes in an America where hard work is rewarded." (See? He had to cite someone else who actually believes it--though I'm guessing Naushon Kerry's hands are as soft as a newborn's.)

                      "To help build a new foundation for the 21st century, we need to reform our government so that it is more efficient, more transparent, and more creative. That will demand new thinking and a new sense of responsibility for every dollar that is spent." AND "We need earmark reform, and when I'm President, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely." (Cue laugh track.)

                      "This is the moment when we must come together to save this planet. Let us resolve that we will not leave our children a world where the oceans rise and famine spreads and terrible storms devastate our lands." (Cue screams.)

                      "We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times." (I...I thought we could actually...do that. Man, it's worse than I thought.)

                      "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." (YIKES!)

                      My favorite because I think this captures pretty much the whole thing in a nutshell: "We believe that the coup was not legal and that President Zelaya remains the president of Honduras, the democratically elected president there." Take a look into the admin response to that whole mess and let me know what you think. Talk about New World Order.

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              • Author by Ruby (September 20, 2009 4:26 pm ET)
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                July 2008, motiviated by a desire to kill liberals and Democrats, Jim David Adkisson enters a Unitarian Universalist church in Knoxville, Tennessee and opens fire, killing two people and wounding seven others.

                October 2008, two white supremacists planning to go on a massive killing spree in Tennessee and then assassinate Barack Obama, were caught before they could act.

                January 2009, a white supremacist went on a brutally violent killing spree in a Massachusetts suburb targeting Jews and non-whites. He killed two immigrants and raped and shot a third. Police were able to stop him before he reached his final destination: a synagogue where he planned to open fire.

                April 2009, a white supremacist hopped up on anti-government conspiracy theories, ambushes and kills three Pittsburgh police officers.

                May 2009, and anti-government and anti-abortion activist shot and killed a physician in Wichita, Kansas.

                When Barack Obama was elected, extremist right-wing groups, especially white-supremacist organizations, were totally stoked about it. They knew this have them great material with which to recruit and radicalize new members. According to the DHS, right-wing extremists pose the greatest threat of domestic terrorism right now.

                Also let's not forget that the deadliest act of domestic terrorism in our nation's history was carried out by right-wing extremists.

                Also, for the record, there's no doubt that Lincoln would be a democrat in this day and age. He wouldn't even recognize the Republican party.
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              • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 10:47 am ET)
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                Booth was an anti-abolitionist Confederate sympathizer who, with his co-conspirators, objected to Lincoln's proposed legislation which would have allowed the emancipated slaves to vote. His political club membership, if any, was irrelevant.

                Guiteau was a Garfield supporter and even claimed credit for helping Garfield get elected. His downfall was that he was apparently an unstable, highly religious individual. He believed he was told "by God" to kill Garfield. Again, political club membership, if any, was irrelevant.

                Czolgoz was a registered Republican who became mixed up with a bunch of anarchists. While we know his political club membership, it is irrelevant.

                Oswald was mentally ill, having been diagnosed with schizoid tendencies. He never completed a formal education, but read up on Marxism [would put him right up there with the neo-conservatives, but I digress]. Political party is irrelevant. And yes, I believe that JFK would have been a Democrat because he was raised to believe that it was his DUTY to care for the least among us. Today's Republicans aren't really known for that sort of feeling.

                And you are WAY off on Sirhan Sirhan. He was a mentally unstable, anti-Semitic Palestinian Christian. He stated that he killed Kennedy because of his support of Israel. Political club membership is irrelevant.

                Next time, before you post information from an e-mail or a blog post, research it. Otherwise, you run the risk of looking REALLY uninformed and REALLY foolish.
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                • Author by galileonardo (September 21, 2009 10:20 pm ET)
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                  I'm in the mood to pick cherries, and since this is really what the issue we were discussing, I will do so.

                  You said: "I believe that JFK would have been a Democrat because he was raised to believe that it was his DUTY to care for the least among us. Today's Republicans aren't really known for that sort of feeling."

                  Caring for the least among us can be summed up with the word "charitable." I don't have recent numbers, but here are the Catalogue for Philanthropy stats for 2004.

                  Notice something? Take a look at the top ten states. Is there a single "blue" state listed? I will also point out that the top ten include some of the poorest states. JFK's state (mine as well) ranks near last!

                  So what you call Washington's charity I call thievery. They are quite generous with our money, but when it comes to their own, they seem to be pretty tight fisted.
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          • Author by peace4all (September 20, 2009 12:16 am ET)
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            where do you get that oswald was a left in his thinking. from what i have read about him, his political leanings were unclear at best. maybe you should read up onhim some. he was interest in either political side. he wanted attention. in short he was an apolitical nut. here's some light reading to get you started.
            http://www.fiftiesweb.com/kennedy/lee-harvey-oswald.htm
            face the facts, the trouble in this country right now is not the left. no, the people in office right now were elected with a clear majority of the country. the reason was because the right had messed stuff up so bad that it was time to try a new direction. the real problem is the right, out there screaming that you want "your country back" how do you figure it's YOUR country? and what do you mean take it back? if the fox new's and limbaugh's of the world are not calling for an overthrow and inciting hatred, then why are people showing up at presidential events carrying weapons? i know they "have the right" but with rights come responsiblity. how much does it take away the secret service from protecting the president if they have to babysit some nut who just wants to show off his stupidity? i will agree though that this is not about race, it's about losing power and wanting the people you like in charge. no matter the cost. the one thing you guys think you have going for you is the polls that show obama slipping. you can't even see that reality. the reason he's slipping is because of uncertainty on the left. after the health bill is passed you will see his numbers go back up because the left will be back on board. so, like i said before. the right needs to man up and help this country move forward. the country spoke and you guys need to get onboard, work in good faith for whats going to get this country back on it's feet and stop trying to sabatoge every policy just because you want your power back.
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            • Author by galileonardo (September 20, 2009 1:04 am ET)
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              Talk about revisionist history. Are you kidding me? Oswald's political leanings were unclear at best? An apolitical nut? Did you even read the information at the link you provided to support your argument? You must be joking. Lee harvey Oswald was an unapologetic left-wing Marxist who actually wanted to defect to the USSR and only changed his mind once he became bored with life there. To try to claim he was apolitical shatters your credibility.

              As for why Obama is slipping in the polls, I think it is you who "can't even see that reality." The reason you cite ("uncertainty on the left") is completely unfounded in reality.

              According to a CNN survey released at the beginning of this month, Obama has a 90% approval rating among Democrats (up three points from the previous month) while 53% of independents now "disapprove of how Obama's handling his duties in the White House" (first time that majority was reached) and for Republicans it is now down to 15% (down eight points from a month ago).

              So the facts go absolutely counter to your statement. It is Independents like me who are largely driving Obama's approval numbers downward. His friends on the loony left have actually rallied further behind him.

              I will agree with you on one count: the country spoke. Unfortunately for you, many people are now realizing they didn't know what they were saying. Rather than "jump onboard" the Obama Titanic, there's a mad rush for the lifeboats. You go ahead and enjoy the band while it sinks.
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              • Author by No Fool (September 20, 2009 5:47 am ET)
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                galileonardo ~ According to a CNN survey released at the beginning of this month, Obama has a 90% approval rating among Democrats

                I hate to say it, but I don't see how a CNN survey of Obama's approval rating could objective. That's like asking ACORN to appoint its own panel to audit the organization.
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              • Author by peace4all (September 20, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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                your obvoiusly free to take whatever political leaning you want from oswald. but from my reading of it he did not appear to have a strong polictical view one way or the other. he strikes me a being a sociopathic nut who was seeking attention from whereever he could get it. but if it makes you feel better to think he was a lefty, well go ahead. it's pretty irrelevent anyway.

                as for abamas slipping in the polls, i guess i was not clear. i did not mean he was losing support on what you refer to as the loony left. i was talking about the "blue dogs" who are still on the left but concerned about what the final bill will say. but, we can argue about the polls forever and never know for sure. in the meantime i am going to just wait and see what happens. i still think that after health reform passes that obamas numbers will go back up. only time will tell. and if i'm wrong i will gladly came back here and admit i was wrong. will you do the same?
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                • Author by galileonardo (September 20, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
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                  I agree it is pretty irrelevant, but, rather than take your advice to feel "free to take whatever political leaning you want from Oswald" I would rather just go with the facts. To say someone who tried defecting to the USSR and essentially offered himself to them in a traitorous manner "did not appear to have a strong political view one way or the other" is ignoring reality and supplanting fact with opinion.

                  As for the polls, I will repeat what I said before. Obama's support among Democrats has risen, not fallen, blue dog or not. I do believe you have the health care effects wrong too. If Washington rams through health care reform in the form the administration is seeking (against the vast majority of Americans' wishes), and especially if done through the so-called "nuclear option" of reconciliation, it will backfire tremendously and rather than see his numbers go up, Obama will watch them drop precipitously. If I am reading that wrong, I would definitely admit it (though I'm not really sure what crow tastes like - any ideas?)
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                  • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 20, 2009 4:53 pm ET)
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                    I agree it is pretty irrelevant
                    Then why do you keep arguing about it? My guess is because you can't refute in any way the topic of this thread, so you're attempting to derail it into an irrelevant direction to deflect attention away from your complete lack of substance.
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                    • Author by galileonardo (September 20, 2009 10:47 pm ET)
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                      I only started arguing about it after I saw multiple posts about the "hard to pin down" politics of Oswald. That's a silly proposition and I made my feelings known. Is that now forbidden here?

                      I think I addressed the topic of this thread plenty in my comments, more than you I might add. So no, no attempts at derailing.
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                      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 21, 2009 10:54 am ET)
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                        So you think Lee Harvey Oswald had something, anything to do with ACORN, which is the topic of this thread?
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                        • Author by galileonardo (September 21, 2009 10:23 pm ET)
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                          Do you think "Glenn Beck is a child Molester" has anything to do with ACORN? I'll say it for you. Touché.
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              • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 10:51 am ET)
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                galileonardo, you are aware that the neo-conservatives that show up on Fox every day and which riddled the Bush administration follow many of Leo Trotsky's teachings, right? Trotsky was a Marxist.
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                • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 21, 2009 10:56 am ET)
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                  Wasn't Trotsky's first name Leon, and not Leo? Tolstoy was named Leo.
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                  • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 2:18 pm ET)
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                    I believe he was called both . . . I've seen it both ways.

                    Either way, he was a Marxist and the neo-conservative movement was based upon his teachings. By no stretch of the imagination are they "conservatives."
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                    • Author by galileonardo (September 21, 2009 10:36 pm ET)
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                      If you think I came here to defend neo-cons, you got the wrong guy. Washington as a whole is infested with parasites who do not represent the American people.

                      The difference between neo-cons and ultra-libs, is the latter proudly and nakedly tout their Marxist ideology and the former Bush "New World Order" crowd do so behind the curtains. Still cut from the same cloth. Still can't sell us out fast enough.

                      This is part of what perplexes me about the recent fight against the Socialist label. Europe seems not to have any problem with the Socialist labeso why get all "wee-wee'ed up" since the European model is so often held up as THE example of transnational cooperation the left is so fond of?

                      Just admit it already. Hiding behind terms like "progressive" and "liberal" does nothing to disguise the true ambitions. Go read that beautiful UN-sponsored lullaby "Our Global Neighborhood" to get a better taste of where the left would like to eventually take us.
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              • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 10:53 am ET)
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                Oswald was mentally ill . . . he had been diagnosed with schizoid tendencies. In other words, his political leanings, if any, were totally irrelevant. He was sick.
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            • Author by No Fool (September 20, 2009 5:45 am ET)
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              I thought that it was proven to be almost impossible for Oswald to have killed JFK with that rifle, from that range? Skilled marksmen were not able to replicate it?

              Wasn't Oswald kicked out of the USSR? He lived there for a while but I think they didn't want him.

              Anyway, the peculiar circumstances that got us this bizarre choice of person for president was not because people wanted him so much as it was a referendum on the travesty that was the Bush administration.

              I don't really want another Republican in the White House any time soon, but I would like to see someone more qualified and dignified in office. All I'm seeing so far is another skillful actor, a la Reagan, whose image is being guarded so zealously, and whose actions are not very impressive in spite of his smiling for the camera and trying to act presidential. I'll never forgive the appointment of Geithner. The man is so unqualified, he is a Wall St. insider and sure enough, his legacy will be his shameless rewarding all of his pals at Goldman. Why didn't Sheila Bair get the nod? or Roger Ferguson? who is black? and who has an unquestionable qualifications with his huge background in bank restructuring? Geithner is a Wall St. stooge and he's paying off for them, big time - with yours and my money.

              The healthcare bill is a distraction and it's just public pandering. It is such a divisive issue and there has been so much meddling and tinkering with the bill and so much backpedaling from Obama on what will be in this plan, if it ever gets off the ground, that it's not going to rally the American people to inflate Obama's approval rating. It certainly won't get us the healthcare for everyone that we very much need in this country.

              It would be wonderful if he'd actually fix the banking industry instead of just printing zillions of dollars to give the crooks on Wall St. that devalues all of our personal wealth and that is only enriching those jerks on Wall St. If Obama would be truly strong and focus on really fixing the banking industry and maybe bringing the conflicts overseas to some kind of conclusion, I think his numbers would be justifiably high. I don't think that the smart money is on him ever accomplishing that. I wouldn't bet mine on it.
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      • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 10:26 am ET)
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        Are you the same ding-dong who referenced MLK being "taken out" by a Palestinian on Huffpo or are you just parroting what you read on some right wing blog or in an e-mail.

        I saw John, Robert and MLK assassinated . . . I see a lot of the same HATRED which caused these assassinations in your uninformed rhetoric. GROW UP! Your idiocy is destroying our country.
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    • Author by natalieoberman6870 (September 19, 2009 12:51 pm ET)
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      Seems that media matters has again selectively edited those it attempts to "correct". A "correction" would presumably be based in honesty and full context, would it not?

      http://tinyurl.com/nnztuk
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    • Author by kcmowatchdog (September 19, 2009 1:20 pm ET)
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      Unfortunately for this organization, the entire premise of your argument is wildly off base. Asserting that FOX news via Beck, Hannity, etc.. "unquestioningly" aired this woman's faux admission of murder without checking the facts is ridiculous and is evidence of Media Matters practicing the exact tactics they erroneously accuse FOX of employing.

      Lorie Byrd at Wizbang does an excellent job of highlighting this with her analysis of both FOX's and MM's versions of the commentary.

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      Glenn Beck: “This is twisted, bizarre, macabre. I mean, is this theater? I’m not a lawyer. I’m not a jury. Um, but gosh even to me it seems like this is a potential admission of murder and the way she was describing doing some groundwork beforehand, you know so everyone in town knew exactly what was going on, a case might be made for premeditated murder. In fairness, I don’t understand people who stay in abusive relationships. I don’t. I get it. I get it. And maybe a jury might conclude that it was justifiable homicide. I don’t know but we haven’t been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Theresa’s husband from ten years ago was killed. Or if he’s dead. Or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don’t know. Nobody is asking questions. See if the mainstream media will follow this one. This is shocking. It raises serious questions about what is going on inside of ACORN.”

      I italicized the portion of the commentary Media Matters provided to their readers in the mishmash video they put together. The parts they omitted are not italicized. I put in bold the part of Beck’s comments that directly contradict Media Matters post.
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      It seems to me that Media Matters is the org that truly has to answer for their "tactics". I'm embarrassed for those of you who refuse to believe it.
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    • Author by cybernetic59 (September 19, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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      It's amazing what you liberals will believe.

      While reading you comments yesterday, much time was spent insulting Glenn Beck - even now I see a few insults of Glenn. Does that make you feel like big boys? You attack the messenger, but offer little to refute the message. Glenn contacted the White House asking them to prove his report on Van Jones to be wrong – no reply – except for Van Jones resignation. Glenn went through a number of the CZARs’ background, again asking the White House to refute – they claimed 2 of the CZARs were “advisors” not CZARs – that’s it.

      As for ACORN, there were 5 videos, at least 4 people fired and yes, one played the young couple and yes, FNC should have held off running the 5th video. But the videos along with to 50 indictments to date show they are corrupt. And if their fraudulent voter registration has produced fraud, explain how in MO – you know, Al Frankins election, one of the concerns was that there were more votes than voters – how do you suppose that happened?

      And don't waste your time mocking as you liberal do, it will be a waste of time!
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    • Author by Northeast Elizabeth (September 19, 2009 6:16 pm ET)
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      Why does Media Matters repeat the same false accusations time and time again? Let's review the claim that O'Keefe and Giles were "kicked out" of Acorn's Philadelphia office after Katherine Conway Russell called the police.

      Let's start with the video of Ms. Russell, which is the only account from any ACORN eyewitness to the incident. Media Matters states that it "directly rebuts" the filmmakers claim that they were never "kicked out" for their attempt to get ACORN to "assist them in nefarious activities." It does NOTHING of the sort. Ms. Russell did not say she "kicked them out" because they asked for help with a prostitution ring. Rather, she says that she told she had to go to a meeting and could therefore not answer any additional questions. The issue of prostitution did not even come up. They asked one question about getting papers for some girls for El Salvador, and she said because they were a counseling agency they couldn't help with that. But she didn't "kick them out" because of that or any other question -- she simply didn't have the time to talk.

      Media Matters cites the police report as evidence that Russell asked them to leave, and that she "called the police after the filmmakers asked suspicious questions." Another lie. Russell didn't call the police while they were there, and in fact didn't call the police at all. Rather, after they had already left, she called an ACORN official to ask why they had been referred to her office.

      It was then that the ACORN official, Keith Crosby, first contacted the police. He filed a false police report, apparently claiming an emergency because the filmmakers were "causing a verbal disturbance with employees of ACORN." But Crosby knew that the filmmakers had already left -- and the report notes that the police advised him of this fact he obviously knew -- and Russell never asserted there was a "verbal disturbance" even when they were there.

      So the filmmakers never lied about anything. Media Matters lied, and ACORN committed a crime by filing a false police report.
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    • Author by delandjim (September 19, 2009 8:42 pm ET)
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      Here is the rest of the clip:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcjpRSRuY8A&feature=player_embedded

      Why was it cut in the article?
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    • Author by MagCynic (September 19, 2009 9:38 pm ET)
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      Another Distortion and Attempt to Defend ACORN by Attacking the Messenger

      Beck: "I don't know but we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Theresa's husband from ten years ago was killed. Or if he's dead. Or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know. Nobody is asking questions."

      Why didn't Media Matters include this quote when they first reported Beck's airing of the video?
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      • Author by bennybrw (September 20, 2009 12:04 am ET)
           
        Because that would contradict their accusations.
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      • Author by No Fool (September 20, 2009 5:55 am ET)
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        MagCynic ~ Why didn't Media Matters include this quote when they first reported Beck's airing of the video?

        Great question but the answer should be painfully self-evident: Media Matters is the house organ for ACORN, Obama and anything that is MSM Leftworks.

        I came here thinking, naively, that there would be scathing exposure of ALL media's glaring omissions, transgressions and the rest. It turns out, this site is devoted to only presenting the liberal viewpoint, even at the expense of any opportunity to enlighten with unbiased and intelligent discussion. This article by Karl Frisch is par for the course. I just wish that they'd be more honest about who they are. They should have chosen something like Left Media Matters or Liberal Media Matters for their name rather than sneakily hiding behind a name that masquerades this site as being objective.
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      • Author by benjr (September 20, 2009 4:00 pm ET)
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        He should be the one asking that question before he runs with the story. To not check the facts of the case is simply irresponsible.
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        • Author by MagCynic (September 20, 2009 4:35 pm ET)
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          It doesn't matter. He made it clear that he didn't know if it was true or not. The MMFA reporting of it made it sound like he knew the ACORN employee was joking and still ran with it. That obviously wasn't the case. The employee should have just showed them the door anyways instead of playing along and saying these outrageous things.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 20, 2009 5:06 pm ET)
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            Let me make it clear right here and now that I do not know if Glenn Beck is a child molester and a murderer. Should I have checked that before posting this? From your logic, the answer is no and this is now a story worthy of major network news reporting.
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            • Author by MagCynic (September 20, 2009 5:30 pm ET)
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              If there had already been three other reports of Beck being a child molester then maybe you would have a point. Since there isn't, you don't.

              That's besides the point anyways. Why did MMFA leave out this key detail in Beck's original reporting?
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              • Author by Ruby (September 20, 2009 6:07 pm ET)
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                It's kind of weird how you're criticizing MMfA for leaving out "key details" in their reporting, but yet defending Beck's right to leave "key details" out of his reporting (and he has a show on a major cable news network).

                Also, how difficult is it to confirm if that lady has a dead husband or not? Marriage certificates and death certificates are public records. Are you really telling me that Beck, with a huge budget and staff, doesn't have the resources to simply look it up before he talks about it on the air?

                This is why the whole "Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990" internet meme took off; it's mocking Beck's own game.

                If Keith Olbermann went on his show monday night and was like, "Well, there is a website out there claiming that Glenn Beck did, indeed, rape and murder a girl in 1990. While I cannot say if this is true or not, there has not been any evidence presented to disprove it." Wouldn't you think that was, to say the least, irresponsible journalism?
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                • Author by MagCynic (September 20, 2009 6:22 pm ET)
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                  Again, it has to be in context. There were three other videos of ACORN workers doing all the same thing. If there were other reports of Beck being a rapist then your point would be valid.

                  And, again, none of you are seeing the big picture. Giving ACORN federal tax money is unconstitutional let alone giving ACORN federal tax money to do illegal things. Why are you all so concerned with Beck and not what our government is doing?
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                  • Author by Ruby (September 20, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
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                    There were three other videos of ACORN workers doing the same thing? Really? I haven't seen these three other videos of ACORN workers claiming to be madams/escorts who murdered their abusive husbands.

                    It doesn't bother me in the slightest that ACORN doesn't get federal money anymore. I don't really understand why anyone cares that much about ACORN. To me, they seem highly insignificant. I don't see them as being an integral part of liberal America or something.

                    What bothers me is that Beck and Hannity and their ilk are so positively gleeful about hearing that somebody who works for ACORN might be a murderer that they can't even be bothered to verify their facts.

                    I wonder why they aren't similarly eager to cover the stories about the verified murderers of Blackwater, who have gotten obscene amounts of federal tax dollars?
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                    • Author by MagCynic (September 20, 2009 9:57 pm ET)
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                      "There were three other videos of ACORN workers doing the same thing? Really? I haven't seen these three other videos of ACORN workers claiming to be madams/escorts who murdered their abusive husbands."

                      Really? Are we gonna play this game? We're going to play the semantics game? The other three videos showed ACORN workers promoting illegal things. This last video showed an ACORN worker promoting illegal things. Kidding or not she was still promoting it. That's what our focus should be, not on semantics or whether or not this person was fibbing or not.
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                      • Author by Ruby (September 20, 2009 11:50 pm ET)
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                        And you don't find it irresponsible to pounce on a story without vetting your sources?

                        You don't think it's even slightly irresponsible to insinuate that this woman (who was being videotaped without her knowledge or consent) murdered her husband, without going through the trouble of pulling up some public records to check and see if the woman even has a deceased husband?

                        Offering tax advice to a prostitute is one thing, MURDER is a horse of a different color.

                        And, I will ask again, why is it that Beck, Hannity, & Co. don't seem quite so eager to cover the story of the ACTUAL, VERIFIED murderers of Blackwater, who carried out horrible atrocities while receiving oodles of federal tax dollars?
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                        • Author by MagCynic (September 21, 2009 12:11 pm ET)
                             
                          You'd have to ask them why they didn't cover Blackwater as I have no clue since I'm not them.

                          My best guess would be because it was of a military nature. Does it excuse them of any possible wrong doing? No. But this is just my guess as to why they didn't cover it. Are you even positive that nobody at FNC mentioned it? That's a lot of transcripts to pour through to be sure they never discussed Blackwater.
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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 21, 2009 10:58 am ET)
                   
                If there had already been three other reports of Beck being a child molester
                Actually, there's an entire web site saying that Beck hasn't denied it. Look it up.
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                • Author by MagCynic (September 21, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
                     
                  Has there been three other videos of Beck raping a girl? No, all there is is a web site that, at the bottom of it, says it's a joke and parody.
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          • Author by rms (September 20, 2009 6:42 pm ET)
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            Cynic: "It doesn't matter. He made it clear that he didn't know if it was true or not."

            WHAT??????????

            If he didn't know, DON'T MENTION IT UNTIL YOU DO!!! It's called being responsible.
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          • Author by jmille426471 (September 21, 2009 7:40 am ET)
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            Dan Rather didn't know whether those documents were fake or not. In fact, we still don't know. Are you willing to cut him the same slack?
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            • Author by bintx (September 21, 2009 10:56 am ET)
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              Well, those documents may or may not have been fake, but the story was real and was supported by the actual TANG documents which were released later that same week in response to an FOIA lawsuit filed by the Associated Press. Coincidence??? Most folks were too involved in the Rather show, which I didn't see, to read the actual government documents which proved that Bush was a deserter. He never completed his commitment.
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              • Author by jmille426471 (September 21, 2009 7:38 pm ET)
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                Thanks for the info, bintx. I know it's fairly obvious that dubya was awol from the Alabama national guard, I'm just trying to get an answer from mag. And for the record, I think it was a travesty that Rather was fired for that.
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    • Author by belle (September 19, 2009 11:38 pm ET)
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      It's really hard to believe how uninformed everyone seems to be about ACORN. If you think this whole thing is about the videos shown on Fox, think again. This thing goes much deeper. ACORN has well over 200 affiliates receiving money from the federal and state governments and the sum is a lot more than the $53 million being reported. The $53 million is what went to ACORN only. You can read all about it right here:

      http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/media/pdfs/20090723ACORNReport.pdf

      Louisiana Attorney General has subpeonaed records for all affiliates dating back to 1998 for ACORN and all affiliates. A subpeona has also been issued to ACORN's bank for all records dating back to 1998. The forensic accountants have been hired and the cookie is going to crumble.

      I really am surprised by the outrage from the left. I would think you would want an honest organization assisting the poor and disadvantaged urban groups rather than an organization who apparently teaches them to commit crimes. But, heck, what do I know........
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    • Author by Bullet (September 20, 2009 7:36 am ET)
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      Good for FOX. If it weren't for FOX have the crud that this administration is trying to sneak by wouldn't be reported.

      The MSM can't or won't report anything that might be negative about him. I guess their legs are just too tingly to do any real reporting.

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    • Author by thinkingblue5517 (September 20, 2009 8:14 am ET)
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      Please sign petition to Congress to help stop the destruction of ACORN (in case you are not familiar with this acronym it means Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.) Main goal is to help the marginalized and the underdogs.

      The privileged snot-noses who were able to dupe a few underprivileged (ACORN) employees in this organization just to attain some sort of recognition and glory for themselves is pitiful. Now the Congress wants to pull the rug out from under all the good work they do. It makes no sense. But the Glenn Becks are so happy that the poor and forgotten will remain poor and forgotten. Good grief, there is no justice or mercy or kindness in this world and THAT'S A (FOX) FACT! Please sign the petition: http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/2749/t/4433/tellafriend.jsp?tell_a_friend_KEY=1851
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    • Author by Rayne (September 20, 2009 9:36 am ET)
         
      The media does matter...however your ideology doesn't. Those who write and comment here ignore what doesn't "fit." You all just "preach to your own choir" and do nothing to advance the truth even when it smacks you in the face.
      You give no one credit or for that matter "facts" to make up their own minds.
      What are you so afraid of?
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    • Author by michelle star (September 20, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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      What a joke--you don't even post Beck's entire statement. You are what is wrong with the media today.
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    • Author by joeklein395301 (September 20, 2009 2:01 pm ET)
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      Major announcement by ACORN.

      ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis on Fox News Sunday claimed the behavior by some ACORN employees were reprehensible and as part of overall comperhensive reform of the organization she announced there would be no more walk-ins.
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    • Author by majorgarrett (September 20, 2009 5:53 pm ET)
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      Funny how media matters presented a fraudelent argument about Becks supposed "smear" of ACORN, then they closed it to comments once they were caught misleading their own readers.

      Don't get manipulated folks, Beck's actual statement in full regarding ACORN is available to you online, think for yourselves. If you get your "news" here, you will be ill informed.

      Glenn Beck: “This is twisted, bizarre, macabre. I mean, is this theater? I’m not a lawyer. I’m not a jury. Um, but gosh even to me it seems like this is a potential admission of murder and the way she was describing doing some groundwork beforehand, you know so everyone in town knew exactly what was going on, a case might be made for premeditated murder. In fairness, I don’t understand people who stay in abusive relationships. I don’t. I get it. I get it. And maybe a jury might conclude that it was justifiable homicide. I don’t know but we haven’t been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Theresa’s husband from ten years ago was killed. Or if he’s dead. Or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don’t know. Nobody is asking questions. See if the mainstream media will follow this one. This is shocking. It raises serious questions about what is going on inside of ACORN.”
      I italicized the portion of the commentary Media Matters provided to their readers in the mishmash video they put together. The parts they omitted are not italicized. I put in bold the part of Beck’s comments that directly contradict Media Matters post.
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    • Author by Ranzoid (September 20, 2009 9:37 pm ET)
         
      Glenn beck, as much as a jerk that he is, did question Tresa Kaelke story:

      "I don’t know but we haven’t been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Theresa’s husband from ten years ago was killed. Or if he’s dead. Or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don’t know. Nobody is asking questions."
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    • Author by Baffled by Hate (September 21, 2009 12:49 am ET)
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      Your clip of Glenn Beck is so dishonest. You can easily view his entire commentary, which makes it crystal clear that he is not simply believing that Tresa killed her husband. Easily verified lies like yours make it very easy to believe that you really think we are all stupid.
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    • Author by dave (September 21, 2009 10:06 am ET)
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      After years of Lou Dobbs using his CNN platform to promote the work of hate groups, spread racially charged conspiracy theories, and engage in hate speech, Media Matters joined more than 15 national organizations (including NDN, Southern Poverty Law Center, and the National Council of La Raza, among others) this week in launching the Drop Dobbs campaign


      If this is the best the left has,Lou, I think your job is safe.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 21, 2009 11:01 am ET)
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        If you're Dobbs' best defense, he'll be dropped from CNN and employed by Fox as just another staff liar in no time.
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      • Author by joeklein395301 (September 21, 2009 2:23 pm ET)
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        Well "The usual suspects". Media Matters if you have anything to say go out and discredit the critics, instead of these fake boycotts, and asking the critics should be silenced.
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    • Author by easter lemming (September 21, 2009 6:47 pm ET)
         
      None of the major media is yet reporting that the bad provocative actors were thrown out of most ACORN offices. They are also not reporting that these bad actors were recognized as such and spoofed by some ACORN employees.

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      • Author by joeklein395301 (September 21, 2009 8:03 pm ET)
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        Major media does not even reporting ACORN has any problem. The president last sunday stated that he was not aware ACORN had any problem. When the president was asked by george stephanopoulos of ABC news this week about ACORN problems, he said he has more important problem right now to be concern about. The fact that $8.5 billion of tax payers money was suppose to be channeled to this criminal organization is really a side issue. Back in late 70's when Carter loaned crysler corp 800 million the country was outraged, now $8.5B is just chump change. what gives ?
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        • Author by tyde (September 21, 2009 9:34 pm ET)
             
          We need to get some type of fairness laws passed and shut down the ideological speech spewing out of Fox new and the right wing radio. The FCC needs shut them down. They are just telling lies. We control congress now. Most people would be happy to hear that Fox new is going away. It would be great to just have the government take it over and send Olbermann into the living rooms of all these haters
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    • Author by pjh41 (September 21, 2009 10:49 pm ET)
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      Are you kidding me? Mediamatters of the "A President was killed the last time right-wing hatred ran wild like this" blog, accuses Fox News of misleading coverage?

      There's probably some hatred on the right but the left holds the all time record for hatred!!!

      For your info, I was alive and well when JFK was killed and there was NEVER any speculation that Lee Harvey Oswald was right-wing. He was a communist, self proclaimed. The conspiracy nuts believed that the mob was responsible. But even Manchester's book, which I read, never tried to lay it at the feet of conservatives. And I don't remember any right wing hatred during that period. Everyone I knew was devastated by JFK's assination whether they agreed with his politics or not. Don't we have enough lies and hate w/o you adding to the pot?
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