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Media Matters: Right again makes an anti-American ass of itself following Obama's Nobel win

October 09, 2009 9:50 pm ET

On Friday, the nation awoke to the news that the Nobel Peace Prize had been awarded to President Barack Obama. "I am both surprised and deeply humbled," Obama said that morning. "I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership...I will accept this award as a call to action."

But sadly, Obama's words failed to touch the hearts of some of the world's most esteemed and principled critics and commentators, all of whom have proven their love for America and her values time and again. I'm kidding of course.

After resolutely working to undermine Chicago's bid for the 2016 Olympic Games and then roundly applauding the International Olympic Committee's decision to eliminate the U.S. city from competition, the right-wing media responded with furor to the Nobel Committee's decision. "I did not realize the Nobel Peace Prize had an affirmative action quota," wrote Erick Erickson at the conservative RedState, who just last week had laughed at the idea that Obama had improved America's standing in the world.

"He's sided with Marxists Castro, Chavez, Morales and Ortega. ... Obama's bankrupted the US economy and destroyed the morale of our military," chimed in Gateway Pundit, another right-wing blogger. "No wonder he was awarded the Nobel." A poll question on Lou Dobbs' website expressed shock at the fact that the award had gone to "Our Supreme Leader." Fox & Friends co-host Brian Kilmeade (the brown-haired-guy-who-isn't-Steve-Doocy) suggested that Obama had delayed making a decision to send more troops to Afghanistan in order to win the award, even though the White House said it was unaware that Obama had even been nominated. "The World Apology Tour yields dividends," succinctly wrote prominent right-wing blogger and Fox News contributor Michelle Malkin.

Indeed, the idea that Obama had been rewarded for deliberately weakening the United States was soon a central theme from the right. "They [the Nobel Committee] love a weakened, neutered U.S, and this is their way of promoting that concept," radio host Rush Limbaugh said in an email to Politico. "Obama did make a big show of appeasing Iran during its election crisis," added conservative blogger Ed Morrissey. "Perhaps they should change the award's name to the Neville rather than the Nobel."

The volume emanating from the right quickly impacted more mainstream reporters. Time's Simon Robinson penned an online piece explaining how the award could prove politically harmful to the president, and Nancy Gibbs wrote a widely circulated article for Time as well, this one explaining why the Nobel was "the last thing [Obama] needs." She's right... we all know the Nobel Prize is something that should be avoided, you know, like cancer. Sigh.

It wasn't long before the calls started for Obama to turn down the award, from a variety of sources. Malkin, CBS' Chip Reid, Time's Mark Halperin, John Bolton, Slate.com's Mickey Kaus, The Weekly Standard's Mary Katharine Ham, and The Atlantic's Jeffery Goldberg all echoed the theme, among others.

"[H]e has to turn it down -- because it is such a joke -- that he'll turn it down and it's the only way for him make a win out of this," said Fox News' Glenn Beck. "Only his arrogance will stop him from doing it." For his part, Beck had an explanation for what was really going on, as well as a suggestion for who Obama could hand the award over to.

"These progressives are extraordinarily powerful," he explained, channeling conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. "And this campaign of Barack Obama, this global campaign for Barack Obama, is done by global interests that have extraordinary power. They're very well connected."

In what had to be a highlight of his lunacy, Beck continued: "The Nobel Peace Prize should be turned down by Barack Obama and given -- you ready for this? Oh, this one's gonna make headlines -- should be given to the Tea Party goers and the 9-12 Project." This makes sense, seeing as that the undeniable currents of racism, violence, and xenophobia the Tea Party "movement" embodies represent the very essence of what Alfred Nobel's prize is all about. Sigh, again.

But at the end of the day, it was El Rushbo who really made headlines. It turned out that the Taliban was also against the Nobel Committee's decision, something that didn't give Limbaugh a moment's pause.

"I think that everybody is laughing" he said. "Our president is a worldwide joke. Folks, do you realize something has happened here that we all agree with the Taliban and Iran about and that is he doesn't deserve the award. Now that's hilarious, that I'm on the same side of something with the Taliban, and that we all are on the same side as the Taliban."

Speak for yourself, Rush.

Other Major Stories This Week

Limbaugh again trying to Ram his way into the NFL

Almost six years to the day after radio host Rush Limbaugh resigned in disgrace from his brand-spanking new gig on ESPN's Sunday NFL Countdown for, as CNN reported at the time, "his statement that Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed," El Rushbo confirmed this week that he's interested in buying the St. Louis Rams.

Seriously.

In a statement released to KMOX News Radio, Limbaugh said he and others were "part of a bid to buy the Rams and we are continuing the process. But I can say no more because of a confidentiality clause in our agreement with Goldman Sachs. We cannot and will not talk about our partners. But if we prevail we will be the operators of the team."

In response to the news, numerous sports journalists and figures -- including contributors to ESPN, where Limbaugh was briefly employed -- have criticized the idea of Limbaugh as an owner, often noting Limbaugh's history of racially incendiary remarks.

CBSsports.com's Mike Freeman said, "my head exploded after hearing this Limbaugh news. ... Limbaugh is a pungent bowl of stark raving bigoted lunacy." Former NFL receiver Keenan McCardell struck a similar tone, saying, "Limbaugh would definitely hurt" the Rams, "the way he talks makes me think he's a racist," while the St. Louis Post-Dispatch's Bryan Burwell said, "Limbaugh's American Dream is a potential nightmare waiting to happen for the Rams."

If anyone thought Limbaugh would try to placate concerns over his potential ownership of professional football team by softening his tone, they'd be no doubt mistaken. Just two days after confirming his interest in the Rams, Limbaugh told his audience that basketball was "the favorite sport of gangs." But hey, it wasn't a dig against football, right?

It's not surprising then that NFL players are reportedly saying they "wouldn't play for" a Limbaugh-owned team due to his "flat-out racist" comments.

Here are ten reasons players and fans are justifiably worried.

Right-wing media swine push H1N1 vaccine conspiracy

If you wind up getting the H1N1 virus, you can blame Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. OK, not exactly. But they certainly are doing their best to stir up fears that the H1N1 vaccine is potentially harmful, that shots will be mandatory and that it is all somehow part of a government plot to control people. Which means millions of followers will likely forego getting the recommended vaccine and thus the flu will become an even greater public health problem.

Limbaugh's fearmongering on the vaccine is rooted in his continued effort to oppose the administration over anything at anytime. Following the administration's suggestion that everyone get vaccinated, Limbaugh said on his Wednesday program: "I'm not seeing these mass deaths from the swine flu." He added: "All I see is a bunch of typical government panic and hype." Limbaugh continued:

Who put the notion that you gotta have this shot, or this nasal spray -- whatever the hell the vaccine is -- whoever the hell put in your head the notion that you gotta do it? Government did. The Obama government, to be specific. It is one of my fervent objectives and goals ... to convince as many people as possible that the damn government is not God, and nobody in it even comes close to being as competent as you are to run your life. And yet, 'Oh my God, the government report says ...' The next time you hear 'The government says...' don't believe it. You'll be healthier, trust me.

Sounding a bit like a 13-year-old who has just been told he has to be home by 10 p.m., Limbaugh attacked HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius for encouraging everyone to get the shot telling her, "Screw you, Ms. Sebelius! I am not going to take it, precisely because you're now telling me I must. It's not your role, it's not your responsibility, and you do not have that power. I don't want to take your vaccine. I don't get flu shots."

Limbaugh later took his ball and went home, stating, "I'm just like -- I'm a contrarian, I'm a non-conformist -- you have some idiot government official demanding, telling me I must take this vaccine. I'll never take it."

As one might expect, Beck's fearmongering about the vaccine is a little less contrarian and a lot more crazy. Beck has been raising "questions" about the vaccine - thus suggesting it is anything but safe - for the last couple weeks. Last month on his radio show, Beck said:

I am not willing to go on the air with anything because one thing that you get wrong on this and it -- it can lead to a lot of death one way or another, you know? If you say, 'Don't take the swine flu vaccination,' and then it turns out that the swine flu this particular wave is virulent and the vaccination would have helped, well then, you know, what role did I play in that? The opposite is true; I say, 'Everybody take the vaccination,' and that turns out to be deadly, what role did I play in that? I'm just not willing to do that.

Not to burst your giant head, Glenn, but if the vaccine turns out to be "deadly," I'm sure people will direct their concerns elsewhere. That is, if society is still intact. On the other hand, if people don't get the vaccine because you suggested not to and they get sick, and God forbid, die from the flu, well, that's on you, Glenn.

But Beck loves conspiracy theories, and thus devoted his October 8 show to debunking some crazy Internet rumors - thus giving them unnecessary air time -- about the government implanting microchips in people via the H1N1 vaccine.  He ultimately concluded that the government is not doing this -- shocking -- but said that such chips exist and people should be watching the government and the corporation developing the chips to make sure it doesn't happen in the future.

In a telling conversation on Thursday night's O'Reilly Factor, Beck betrayed his feelings toward his audience after O'Reilly asked him if he planned to get the vaccine to which Beck replied, "I've decided not to share if I'm going to get it or not." O'Reilly pressed some more saying, "Oh, come on, Beck.  Millions of people take their cue from you." Beck, still refusing to give in to O'Reilly's question, said, Look at this guy.  You know, look at this guy. I know they're like zombies" [emphasis added].

And after Beck joked about getting a chip in his arm if he were to get vaccinated, O'Reilly called him out in a hilarious exchange pitting his view of the Factor's journalistic standards to that of Beck's Fox program:

O'REILLY: Oh, is that what it is now? You think they're going to inject a chip in everybody's arm?

BECK: No, no, no. That's actually one of the reasons we covered it. That is one of the big things on the Internet. They're going to track you when you -

O'REILLY: They're going to inject something in you?

BECK: Yes. And we've spent a lot of time --

O'REILLY: A lot of time?

BECK: Debunking that. So, there's no chip coming!

O'REILLY: See, on the Factor, we would spend --

BECK: I know it's a surprise, but this is why --

O'REILLY: Just wait for me. See, on the Factor we would spend two seconds debunking it: "That's nuts!"

For once, we actually agree with Bill O'Reilly.

Right's anti-gay witch hunt marches on

As we said last week, the conservative media is again capitalizing on homophobia in the hopes of political gain, launching an all-out attack against Kevin Jennings, an official with the Department of Education official. The right has claimed that 21 years ago, when Jennings was a 24-year-old teacher at Concord Academy in Massachusetts, he "cover[ed] up statutory rape" by not reporting to authorities a conversation he had with a student who told him about being involved with an "older man."

Media Matters disproved the heart of that right-wing tale last Friday conclusively showing that the former student in question was 16 in 1988, the legal age of consent in Massachusetts both then and now.

And yet this week, the attacks continued, many of which displayed the right's stunning ability to completely ignore reality whenever it sees fit. A Washington Times editorial pushed the idea that Jennings "violated Massachusetts law" over 20 years ago by "covering up" sexual misconduct. In other words, the Times was still reporting a lie 48 hours after it had been publicly disproven.

Two days later, Jeffrey Lord of The American Spectator wrote yet another piece claiming that Brewster was 15 years old. At this point, the story had been dead for four days, but it didn't matter. After one of Lord's readers noted that the issue had already been resolved, Lord still wasn't convinced. "If Jennings provides that fact and can document it," he wrote, "we will be happy to correct." (He apparently doesn't consider a driver's license to be a legal document.) Doubling down, Washington Examiner chief political correspondent Byron York made the same fallacious accusation on the same day.

The baseless attacks continued. Fox News' Sean Hannity pushed a fabricated link between Jennings and NAMBLA, while Rush Limbaugh said that Obama had empowered "child abusers" and "perverts." The Fox Nation website called Jennings "lewd."

It wasn't long before the real motivation behind the right-wing media's passion was made all too clear. On October 6, the right began targeting Chai Feldblum, a lesbian who has been an outspoken advocate for gay rights. She is currently President Obama's nominee to head the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC).

Feldblum is a signatory to a 2006 statement entitled "Beyond Same-Sex Marriage" which argues that "marriage is not the only worthy form of family or relationship, and it should not be legally and economically privileged above all others." The statement is entirely unrelated to the duties Feldblum would have as an EEOC commissioner, which include enforcement of existing federal laws involving job discrimination and providing oversight of federal equal employment opportunity regulations, practices, and policies.

But this doesn't matter to the Right, which immediately twisted Feldblum's words beyond recognition. A WorldNetDaily article stated that with the 2006 document, she had praised polygamy, a falsehood. And it only got worse from there.

"I'm telling you, the entire federal government is going to have to be fumigated some day when these deviants and degenerates are finally sent packing" wrote WND editor and CEO Joseph Farah. The website CatholicOnline.org also published anti-Feldblum pieces. One, written by Deacon Keith Fournier, claimed that Feldblum "actually believes that the protections provided under the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution have become outdated," an absurd charge.

"In short," read an editorial from the Traditional Values Coalition published on RightSideNews.com, "she wants the gay agenda to trump the First Amendment and religious freedom to impose the gay agenda on all Americans -- including those with strongly held religious beliefs about homosexuality."

The witch hunt goes on, and as it does, the words of Joseph Welch, whose dramatic chastisement of Senator Joseph McCarthy helped to end his immoral campaign, seem to ring louder every day: "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?"  

This week's media columns

This week's media columns from the Media Matters senior fellows: Eric Boehlert looks at The New York Times' pointless pursuit of right-wing "buzz" stories; Jamison Foser says The New Republic should apologize for publishing Betsy McCaughey's dishonest assault on Clinton health care reform efforts in the '90s; and Karl Frisch declares "all aboard" as the right's Fox News gravy train rolls on.

Greg Lewis predicts the future health of St. Louis Rams players and fans if Rush Limbaugh buys the team in The Friday Rush, a review of Limbaugh's radio shows over the past week.

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    • Author by Eric Jaffa (October 09, 2009 11:04 pm ET)
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      Saying that an American president shouldn't have gotten the Nobel Prize isn't anti-American.

      I wouldn't have liked it if a year ago, George W. Bush got the Nobel Prize.


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      • Author by DellDolly (October 10, 2009 12:23 am ET)
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        Actually, it is anti-American to say that a prominent American who deserves the prize shouldn't have gotten it simply because you don't like his politics, which is what happened here.

        But I'm not surprised that this common sense conclusion evades you.
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        • Author by diamonds (October 10, 2009 5:11 am ET)
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          prominent American who deserves the prize
          By doing what? Paying lip service to reducing nuclear weapons and escalating the war in Afghanistan? I don't think so. He was nominated a month into office, the only grounds being he would have actually done something by now. There are far more qualified people for this, other anti-nuke protesters, heck, Bush is better qualified, who single-handedly brought womens rights to Afghanistan. That's saying something. The Nobel decision is a joke, beyond polite congratulations, the consensus is he didn't deserve it, or he doesn't deserve it until he actually does something beyond making speeches.

          I think, short of purposefully inciting violence against people or America, there is no unamerican speech - Disagreeing must not be looked down upon just for the sake of disagreeing.
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          • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© (October 10, 2009 10:55 am ET)
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            I'm sure Bush would have won if there was a Nobel Torture Prize.
            ~
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            • Author by fairliberal (October 10, 2009 11:30 am ET)
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              And perhaps we should award the Nobel Rendition Prize to Obama. He does deserve that.
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              • Author by juliajayne1 (October 10, 2009 1:13 pm ET)
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                The difference being that interogations are monitored and no torture is allowed under Obama.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 10, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
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                Wow. Fakeliberal defends torture but blasts rendition? I think that tells us all we need to know. Thanks for playing, fakeliberal.
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              • Author by fantagor (October 10, 2009 4:12 pm ET)
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                FYI: Obama's "rendition" policy (sending a person back to their home nation) is not the same as Bush's policy of "extraordinary rendition" (sending a person to another nation to be tortured).

                A little knowledge goes a long way. You should try it some time.

                Randy
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              • Author by snoopy (October 11, 2009 8:44 pm ET)
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                The fact that you're still here proves his rendition policy isn't working...
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          • Author by DellDolly (October 10, 2009 11:41 am ET)
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            If you don't know 24 hours after the prize was awarded exactly why Obama was a brilliant selection, then it's because you don't want to know, diamonds. Unlike diamonds, you aren't very brilliant - in fact, you're pretty dull!

            But if someone else who's new to this discussion would actually like an explanation, either read through some of the previous threads here, or watch this video from Rachel Maddow. It's 11 minutes long, but it gives one quite a good idea of why someone who has great aspirations gets this prize sometimes.

            Like Aung San Suu Kyi, the woman under house arrest in Burma who has not yet dislodged the military junta - she won in 1991.

            Or like Desmond Tutu, who won in 1984 for his work against apartheid. He hadn't yet defeated it.

            Or the Dalai Lama. Or anyone who's won for their peace efforts in the Mideast - did we get peace there when I wasn't looking?

            Often they give the prize to someone who has inspired hope, with the expectation that their aspirations will inspire others.

            Actually, it would be more productive to always select someone like Obama, rather than simply rewarding people who were successful, if one wants to foster peace.

            But don't let your Obama Derangement Syndrome spoil your weekend, dull one.
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            • Author by patrioticKate (October 10, 2009 8:40 pm ET)
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              ReallyDellDolly!! Did you really say "Why reward someone simply for being successful"!! We're talking the Nobel Peace Prize here, not the 8th Grade science Fair! You Liberals make me laugh!!! I guess you don't think Obama is very successful!!
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              • Author by DellDolly (October 10, 2009 10:07 pm ET)
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                Actually, no, I didn't say "Why reward someone simply for being successful" at all. I said that often it's better, if one only has one award to give out, to give it to someone who might inspire multiple people and many nations to be 'successful' in the future rather than rewarding one person who was successful.

                I KNOW that Obama's been very successful in changing the direction that the USA was heading, and that's a successful thing, but it's not a tangible thing, like getting a peace treaty signed.

                But you already knew that your distortion of my comment wasn't valid and didn't make the point you were trying to make, numbnuts.
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                • Author by DellDolly (October 11, 2009 1:21 am ET)
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                  The Committee itself explains why the complaints about the award going to Obama too early are totally wrong.

                  Here's some of what they say.

                  ...the judges found his promise of disarmament and diplomacy too good to ignore.

                  They lauded the change in global mood wrought by Obama's calls for peace and cooperation, and praised his pledges to reduce the world stock of nuclear arms, ease U.S. conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthen its role in combating climate change.

                  Jagland said the committee whittled down a record pool of 205 nominations and had "several candidates until the last minute," but it became more obvious that "we couldn't get around these deep changes that are taking place" under Obama.

                  Aagot Valle, a lawmaker for the Socialist Left party who joined the Nobel committee this year, said she hoped the selection would be viewed as "support and a commitment for Obama."

                  "And I hope it will be an inspiration for all those that work with nuclear disarmament and disarmament," she told AP in a rare interview. Members of the committee usually speak only through its chairman.

                  The Nobel committee said it paid special attention to Obama's vision of a nuclear-free world, laid out in a speech in Prague and in April and at the United Nations last month.

                  Former Peace Prize winner Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, said Obama has already provided outstanding leadership on nuclear non-proliferation.

                  "He has shown an unshakable commitment to diplomacy, mutual respect and dialogue as the best means of resolving conflicts," ElBaradei said.
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                  • Author by kydem09 (October 12, 2009 8:42 am ET)
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                    Oh, well if the Nobel committee has justified itself, then it must be deserved. Yeah right. This from the same committee that thought Arafat was deserving.
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                    • Author by DellDolly (October 12, 2009 11:58 am ET)
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                      Well, yes, it's exactly that the Nobel Peace Prize Committee explained why he was the perfect candidate who was the very best fit for the qualifications and standards they have set that explains why people objecting to his selection by them are wrong!!!

                      You must be delusional if you don't understand this!

                      It's like you getting turned down for a job because you don't think that the fact that you don't have the requisite qualifications should matter - somehow you know better than the people trying to hire someone to fill a position what standards they should hold.

                      But you fit the qualifications of a troll very well!
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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (October 12, 2009 1:08 pm ET)
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                        I think Maddow or her guest last week said that this puts PRESSURE on Obama to continue to achieve peace.

                        What do the nujobs have against a president espousing peace?
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                        • Author by srichardson (October 12, 2009 4:14 pm ET)
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                          Because the nutjobs are more interested in bringing Obama down than building America up. The reason they are going rabid ass crazy is because Obama NEVER stoops to their level by reacting to their stupidity. It drives them crazy that they are basically ignored by a President who is on a much more mature and superior level. It's absolutely pathetic, immature, plain ignorant that they would complain and moan about an American President being honored this way. And no, most liberals wouldn't have shown their total lack of patriotism by acting the way you flippin right wing nutjobs are acting if Bush would've somehow one the Nobel Peace Prize. We have a little more tact than that!
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            • Author by diamonds (October 11, 2009 10:10 pm ET)
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              Which is why the Nobel peace prize is a joke. This is the latest bad decision in a string of bad, no, awful, decisions, from people far worse then Bush to people just about as badly qualified as Obama, they have all been named. But this one takes the cake.

              What I asked is why he deserved it over someone else. You could always argue Obama does deserve it, sure, but that just sets a really, really low bar.
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              • Author by NewBee (October 12, 2009 12:48 am ET)
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                Cons don't believe in peace and that makes them unqualified to speak at all about this subject.
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              • Author by DellDolly (October 12, 2009 12:00 pm ET)
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                Why didn't you read the posting I made at

                by DellDolly (October 11, 2009 1:21 am ET)

                before you continued to ask why he deserved it over someone else? The committee explained why, and I posted their response.
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              • Author by peace4all (October 12, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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                your question is too vague. tell me who you think should have gotten the award and then we can compare them to obama and see if we agree. but just to say "What I asked is why he deserved it over someone else" makes the question impossible.
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              • Author by srichardson (October 12, 2009 4:16 pm ET)
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                Why don't you educate yourself on the whole process of how a Nobel Peace Prize winner is chosen before you speak you right wing talking points. I know thinking for yourself hurts, but turn off Fox News once in a while and learn a little on your own and maybe you won't appear to be so ignorant.
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            • Author by kydem09 (October 12, 2009 8:40 am ET)
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              It's obvious to me that Dolly is the ultimate Kook-Aid drinker.
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              • Author by DellDolly (October 12, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
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                When I need some outsider who doesn't know me at all to judge my character, I will let you know.

                But my advice is that you don't hold your breath waiting for that. And maybe you'll ignore this advice just as often as you ignore my fact-filled posts.
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                • Author by kydem09 (October 12, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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                  Fact-filled. You think your opinions are fact apparently.
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                  • Author by peace4all (October 12, 2009 1:58 pm ET)
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                    your awesome. i have seen you be refuted by dolly many times with facts in hand. only to see you slink away to another thread as soon as your confronted by those awful facts. maybe you should try and use facts sometimes. becoming educated is a very liberating feeling.
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                  • Author by DellDolly (October 12, 2009 3:37 pm ET)
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                    It's not my opinions that you're ignoring here.

                    It's direct links to comments by the committee which determines what qualifications matter. Those comments from the horse's mouth are facts. Not my opinions.

                    Or it's me posting factual info about previous winners who hadn't actually accomplished their goals when they won the Nobel Peace Prize. That's not my opinion, again. It's a fact that a military junta still rules Burma/Myanmar. It's a fact that Bishop Desmond Tutu only had the hope to end apartheid when he won the prize.

                    And it's a fact that if someone didn't know, pretty much right away, why the committee determined that Obama was a perfect recipient of this prize, it's not because the info wasn't available to them. The press release telling us that Obama won also told us why they selected him! One had to be trying to not learn the facts and had to be skimming the available info to not know them.

                    You wish that all I posted here was my opinion. It's that I back up what I say with facts that has your panties in a wad.
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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (October 10, 2009 1:31 pm ET)
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            Bush is better qualified, who single-handedly brought womens rights to Afghanistan


            Bush isn't qualified to be a dog catcher!

            The thought that Bush did so much for women in Afghanistan is a joke!

            He STARTED a war in Afghanistan and then LEFT to start ANOTHER war in ANOTHER country, FAILING to complete the FIRST war!

            Which is why we are STILL at war in Afghanistan 8 years later!

            Conditions for women in Afghanistan in LIMITED areas have improved, but in other areas incidences of rape, forced marriage is on the rise AGAIN! AND MOST women CONTINUE to wear the burga out of FEAR for their safety.

            The war in Afghanistan MAY have removed SOME of the Taliban, but it HAS NOT removed the religious fundamentalism which is the MAIN cause of violence against women!



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            • Author by fairliberal (October 10, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
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              "Bush isn't qualified to be a dog catcher"

              But you are.

              "He STARTED a war in Afghanistan and then LEFT"

              No he didn't, we are still there as you pointed out. You can't have it both ways. But hey, why hasn't Obama solved the problems in Afghanistan, things have gotten worse on his watch.

              "AND MOST women CONTINUE to wear the burga out of FEAR for their safety. "

              Some Muslim women here in America also wear the burqa, do they also wear it out of fear for their safety?

              And why are we not out of Iraq and why is Gitmo still in operation? Why are we still practicing the policy of rendition?

              Change we can believe in, at least until the campaign is over.
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              • Author by princeofwheels (October 11, 2009 1:56 am ET)
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                Fair, your ignorance of sanity is only surpassed by your ignorance of everything else.
                You are a total moron always looking for a fight.
                Go do your nails and hair instead of trying to look like a macho defender of thruth and the Anti-American way.

                I must ask in all honesty, do you hate liberals because you wanted to go to the prom with some liberal kid who didn't ask you? I am sure your room is filled with pretty little stuffed animals and girlie things...now, put on your burqa and go out and meet a nice liberal guy. You might feel better.
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              • Author by coldteablues19577325 (October 12, 2009 10:17 am ET)
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                "But hey, why hasn't Obama solved the problems in Afghanistan, things have gotten worse on his watch."

                Good God, do you REALLY think that Afghanistan was going to be "fixed" during the Bush administration years? Russia finally was forced to give up and withdraw, of course, that was with the US helping the Afghanis if memory serves me right.

                It was atrocious that Bush put on the 'show' of going after the one who really was responsible for attacking us but failing to get him. It was even more atrocious that he attacked a country that had absolutely NOTHING to do with the attack.

                As for Obama and the Nobel prize, I say good on the committee, good on him for his gracious acceptance, and shame on those who continually are attacking the US from within.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 10, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
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              I would have found it odd if G-Dub had won a Peace Prize after proudly instituting the Bush Doctrine of unprovoked invasion into sovereign nations. This seems like the antithesis of the Peace Prize. However, if he had been awarded it, I certainly would not have been cheering against him. It can never be bad for America for their leader to win an international Peace Prize. Country over Party.
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            • Author by patrioticKate (October 10, 2009 8:45 pm ET)
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              Pearlene Scott, when was the last time you were in Afghanistan??? You talk like you were there last week and you've seen this first hand!!! Where are you getting your crazy info from????
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              • Author by DellDolly (October 10, 2009 10:12 pm ET)
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                Her info wasn't crazy at all. But as we often see, people come here, dispute what someone else has said, and provide zero evidence of their purported debunking.

                Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. Everything said was true - sure, she used a little hyperbole to suggest that Bush left Afghanistan, when all he did was starve it for attention for years and years by waging an unnecessary and ill-advised invasion of Iraq.
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                • Author by princeofwheels (October 11, 2009 1:58 am ET)
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                  Bush, " I don't think about Bin Laden" was really a gem...
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                • Author by kydem09 (October 12, 2009 8:48 am ET)
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                  Until your hero Obama does something positive in Afghanistan, I don't think you should criticize Bush. During the campaign Obama said we needed to increase troop levels. Now, nine months into his presidency and four months after his general requested more troops, he still can't make a decision. He's weak on this issue. If he doesn't have the gonads to send troops over there as he promised to do, he needs to end the war and bring our troops home. The longer he delays in making a decision, the more he puts their lives at risk. So you as an Obama supporter have no credibility with regard to your attacks on Bush's handling of Afghanistan.
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                  • Author by DellDolly (October 12, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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                    What are you talking about? Since when can't we criticize someone's behavior all on its own? Bush is the person who stupidly invaded Iraq for no good reason, and as a result took the focus off of Afghanistan.

                    If you listen to anyone, Sec of Defense Gates, Gen McCrystal, anyone in a position of power in the military, they all say that the Bush policies were misguided and unproductive.

                    And woe be to the leader who actually takes time to think about an issue and get feedback from multiple sources before making a decision!
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                    • Author by kydem09 (October 12, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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                      Obama is too conciliatory on foreign policy issues. He's putting lives in danger by his inaction.
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                      • Author by congero6189599 (October 12, 2009 1:29 pm ET)
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                        Unlike Bush who wrongly invaded Iraq over 4000 US dead 31,000 US wounded,over 4 million displaced Iraqi's,over 100,000 Iraqi dead and who knows how many maimed and wounded all the while starving Afghanistan for US troops and equipment because guess what they were in Iraq.
                        kydem it's hard to take you and other cons seriously when you refuse to acknowledge this point. You were lied to by the Bush administration,but you left the dems because of the criticism of GB. What a phony and good ridance.
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                        • Author by kydem09 (October 12, 2009 2:28 pm ET)
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                          I'm not arguing the merits of the Iraq war. We're talking about Obama and Afghanistan. It's Obama's war now, like it or not, so stop trying to deflect. And I don't believe Bush lied. He relied on faulty intelligence, just like the Dems who were in Congress at the time who voted to proceed to war.
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                          • Author by congero6189599 (October 12, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
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                            First off hyprocrite the lies Bush told to get us into Iraq caused soldiers deaths in Afghanistan by robbing them of needed resources. Your hyprocrisy in blaming Obama for taking time to make the right decision while forgiving Bush for making the wrong decision in Iraq is glaring, it is not a deflection to point out your muddled thinking. Dems voted on the erroneous information given to them by the Bush administration, and the Bush administration did this knowingly,thus they lied:

                            False Pretenses
                            Following 9/11, President Bush and seven top officials of his administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq.


                            By Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith
                            January 23, 2008

                            President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.

                            On at least 532 separate occasions (in speeches, briefings, interviews, testimony, and the like), Bush and these three key officials, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan, stated unequivocally that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (or was trying to produce or obtain them), links to Al Qaeda, or both. This concerted effort was the underpinning of the Bush administration's case for war...

                            "...President Bush, for example, made 232 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and another 28 false statements about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Secretary of State Powell had the second-highest total in the two-year period, with 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Rumsfeld and Fleischer each made 109 false statements, followed by Wolfowitz (with 85), Rice (with 56), Cheney (with 48), and McClellan (with 14)..."

                            Explain this kydem:


                            Consider, for example, these false public statements made in the run-up to war:

                            On August 26, 2002, in an address to the national convention of the Veteran of Foreign Wars, Cheney flatly declared: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." In fact, former CIA Director George Tenet later recalled, Cheney's assertions went well beyond his agency's assessments at the time. Another CIA official, referring to the same speech, told journalist Ron Suskind, "Our reaction was, 'Where is he getting this stuff from?' "
                            In the closing days of September 2002, with a congressional vote fast approaching on authorizing the use of military force in Iraq, Bush told the nation in his weekly radio address: "The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the facilities to make more and, according to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given. . . . This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material could build one within a year." A few days later, similar findings were also included in a much-hurried National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction — an analysis that hadn't been done in years, as the intelligence community had deemed it unnecessary and the White House hadn't requested it.
                            In July 2002, Rumsfeld had a one-word answer for reporters who asked whether Iraq had relationships with Al Qaeda terrorists: "Sure." In fact, an assessment issued that same month by the Defense Intelligence Agency (and confirmed weeks later by CIA Director Tenet) found an absence of "compelling evidence demonstrating direct cooperation between the government of Iraq and Al Qaeda." What's more, an earlier DIA assessment said that "the nature of the regime's relationship with Al Qaeda is unclear."
                            On May 29, 2003, in an interview with Polish TV, President Bush declared: "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories." But as journalist Bob Woodward reported in State of Denial, days earlier a team of civilian experts dispatched to examine the two mobile labs found in Iraq had concluded in a field report that the labs were not for biological weapons. The team's final report, completed the following month, concluded that the labs had probably been used to manufacture hydrogen for weather balloons.
                            On January 28, 2003, in his annual State of the Union address, Bush asserted: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production." Two weeks earlier, an analyst with the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research sent an email to colleagues in the intelligence community laying out why he believed the uranium-purchase agreement "probably is a hoax."
                            On February 5, 2003, in an address to the United Nations Security Council, Powell said: "What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence. I will cite some examples, and these are from human sources." As it turned out, however, two of the main human sources to which Powell referred had provided false information. One was an Iraqi con artist, code-named "Curveball," whom American intelligence officials were dubious about and in fact had never even spoken to. The other was an Al Qaeda detainee, Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi, who had reportedly been sent to Eqypt by the CIA and tortured and who later recanted the information he had provided. Libi told the CIA in January 2004 that he had "decided he would fabricate any information interrogators wanted in order to gain better treatment and avoid being handed over to [a foreign government]."
                            The false statements dramatically increased in August 2002, with congressional consideration of a war resolution, then escalated through the mid-term elections and spiked even higher from January 2003 to the eve of the invasion...

                            Short of such review, this project provides a heretofore unavailable framework for examining how the U.S. war in Iraq came to pass. Clearly, it calls into question the repeated assertions of Bush administration officials that they were the unwitting victims of bad intelligence.

                            Above all, the 935 false statements painstakingly presented here finally help to answer two all-too-familiar questions as they apply to Bush and his top advisers: What did they know, and when did they know it?
                            http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/

                            They lied 935 times. As this study showed it wasn't faulty intelligence, that was the line they were feeding to willing lapdogs such as yourself . They knew unthinking people like you would eat it up, and ta da,you are still repeating it. Wake up!





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                            • Author by kydem09 (October 12, 2009 3:33 pm ET)
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                              First of all, I'm not forgiving Bush anything. Secondly, you're pinning your whole argument on a report done by two intertwined liberal groups, so it lacks credibility from the beginning. Thirdly, the "false statements" may have been false, but that doesn't mean they were lies. Lies are intentional fabrications. False statements based on faulty intelligence are not lies if they were not known to be false when stated. I think Bush and company truly believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. As did Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Al Gore and Ted Kennedy, as all of them stated in the months leading up to the war. Again, you're trying to deflect from my posting, which is that Afghanistan is on the verge of being lost because our current president doesn't have to gonads to take decisive action. If he's not going to send more troops, then end the war and bring them home. It shouldn't take him four months from the time of McChrystal's report to make a decision.
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                              • Author by congero6189599 (October 12, 2009 4:08 pm ET)
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                                Talk about deflecting. It's a study dummy taking statements that were made and examing the information that was available at the time. When you can't argue the facts call it liberal and then say it's not credible...WEAK. They were lies I'll just point out a few from the study to show how weak your argument is:

                                1.)In the closing days of September 2002, with a congressional vote fast approaching on authorizing the use of military force in Iraq, Bush told the nation in his weekly radio address: "The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the facilities to make more and, according to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given. . . . This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material could build one within a year." A few days later, similar findings were also included in a much-hurried National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction  an analysis that hadn't been done in years, as the intelligence community had deemed it unnecessary and the White House hadn't requested it.


                                2.)In July 2002, Rumsfeld had a one-word answer for reporters who asked whether Iraq had relationships with Al Qaeda terrorists: "Sure." In fact, an assessment issued that same month by the Defense Intelligence Agency (and confirmed weeks later by CIA Director Tenet) found an absence of "compelling evidence demonstrating direct cooperation between the government of Iraq and Al Qaeda." What's more, an earlier DIA assessment said that "the nature of the regime's relationship with Al Queda is unclear.

                                3.)On May 29, 2003, in an interview with Polish TV, President Bush declared: "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories." But as journalist Bob Woodward reported in State of Denial, days earlier a team of civilian experts dispatched to examine the two mobile labs found in Iraq had concluded in a field report that the labs were not for biological weapons. The team's final report, completed the following month, concluded that the labs had probably been used to manufacture hydrogen for weather balloons.

                                4.)On January 28, 2003, in his annual State of the Union address, Bush asserted: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production." Two weeks earlier, an analyst with the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research sent an email to colleagues in the intelligence community laying out why he believed the uranium-purchase agreement "probably is a hoax."

                                I pointed out to you 4 instances where either Bush or someone in his administration went against known intelligence and infromation gathered at the time. He lied. This information was not given to the Democrats, they were not told of the conflicting information. But I know yoiu want to blame Obama so you just waffle about facts having some liberal bias,and therefore not being credible. Sad and weak argument.

                                I like the way you conservatives argue something being won or lost by a Democrat when it was YOUR policies that F it up in the first place. What is winning in Afghanistan kydem? What is the goal in Afghanistan kydem? What decisive action other than invading Afghanistan did Bush accomplish? Tell me why didn't GB send more troops there? Please answer these questions and tell me why shouldn't our representatives and President answer them before we commit more of soldiers and ask them to make the ultimate sacrifice? Your knee jerk against anything Obama won't work. If you are truly concerned about OUR soldiers you should want these questions answered. This is not about having the gonads as you say(how childish)it is about getting it right.
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                          • Author by DellDolly (October 12, 2009 3:44 pm ET)
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                            There was faulty intelligence. No one denies that. But you only tell one part of the story. What do you leave off?

                            Then there was lies about the intelligence. And there was misrepresentations about that intelligence and how sure they were about what that intelligence was telling us. And we were all lied to by the Bush Administration in the lead-up to this invasion. Bush said that he'd try diplomacy first, but he didn't. He said we wanted to get the inspectors in there, but when they got in there and weren't finding any WMD's, he pulled them out and invaded instead.

                            When someone like you ignores that fact that the faulty intelligence didn't cause any other president to invade, that's your partisan bias speaking. And when you ignore the fact that the on the ground inspectors were debunking the faulty intelligence, yet Bush still invaded, that's nonsense. Bush relied upon the faulty intelligence (hypotheses based upon guesswork and estimates) even after he had real facts from the inspectors! That's the factual flaw in your argument!
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                      • Author by peace4all (October 12, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
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                        unlike bush who just sent our troops in to die without any forethought as to the ultimate outcome.

                        after reading some of your posts one has to wonder. do you ever leave your house or even turn off fox news?
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                        • Author by kydem09 (October 12, 2009 2:30 pm ET)
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                          Do you ever take your head out of your behind?

                          I don't even watch fox news except for O'Reilly, I don't listen to Limbaugh, Hannity or Beck. And I don't understand why you morons who seem to oppose war won't take an honest look at how our current president is putting lives in danger by his inaction on Afghanistan. Instead, you simply deflect back to the old tired arguments against Bush.
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                          • Author by congero6189599 (October 12, 2009 3:25 pm ET)
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                            The reason bush is brought up is because he put soldiers lives at risk by taking resources from Afghanistan to use in a war he lied us into in Iraq. Because of Iraq our military was stretched thin. Multiple tours of duty, extended duty, destruction of equipment , equipment diverted to Iraq from Afghanistan. You won't argue the merits of Iraq because YOU can't. He lied and people died, and now because of Bush's mistake we have a decision to make, I say get it right this time. Your phony concern for the troops is just another excuse for YOU to attack Obama. I say bring them home, but then you would attack him for that, you hyprocrite.
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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (October 11, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
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                Pearlene Scott, when was the last time you were in Afghanistan???


                UNpatrioticKate, PLEASE do me a favor, STOP with the dumb a** questions.

                Seriously, are YOU incapable of using Google?

                Are YOU incapable of comprehending ANYTHING that doesn't come from the mouths of Fox Noise, Limbo, Insanity and Glenda?

                Taliban still a major threat 8 years later...

                Afghan women hiding for their lives...

                Armed men gun down working woman in S Afghanistan...

                Afghan women bear brunt of hypocritical ‘war on terror’...
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                • Author by kydem09 (October 12, 2009 8:49 am ET)
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                  Pearlene, see my response to Dolly above. It applies to you as well.
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            • Author by diamonds (October 11, 2009 10:05 pm ET)
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              Do I need to rattle off other peace prize winners who have done awful things too? The peace prize is a joke, that is what my point is. Obama is just the last nail in the coffin.
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            • Author by diamonds (October 11, 2009 10:13 pm ET)
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              To play devil's advocate, Bush just hasn't succeeded yet, you know, he really does want everyone to be free, and he has made big steps in that direction.

              Obama too, he hasn't actually done anything besides talk and continue Bush's foreign policy (there was already a time table to be out of Iraq made before Obama took office, keep in mind), why does he deserve it?
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          • Author by DellDolly (October 10, 2009 10:03 pm ET)
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            We've explained in detail, multiple times, why Obama was perfectly qualified for this award. If you don't know by now why that is, it's because you don't want to know, not because the reasons aren't valid!

            It wasn't for his accomplishments in office. It was because of his vision and his inspiration to others.

            It's your wrong interpretation of what someone must do tbe qualified for the prize. You might want to read the Nobel Peace Prize Committee's press release in full. Here's an important snippet.

            For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."

            It's not about his actions at all. It's about his inspiration and his commitment to future actions.

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            • Author by kydem09 (October 12, 2009 8:50 am ET)
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              Kook (oops, I mean Kool) aid alert!!
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              • Author by fairliberal (October 12, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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                Are you sure you used the wrong word? It seems appropriate also.
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                • Author by peace4all (October 12, 2009 2:07 pm ET)
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                  look...mr. drooler and mr. knuckledragger combined their minds and still could not bring themselves to give a coherent counter arguement. maybe you guys should shop at fox nation. from your posts i think you guys would fit real well there. it's an alternate reality when the world give flowers for freedom and obama is a secret terist.
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          • Author by LIBERTY OR DEATH (October 11, 2009 1:50 am ET)
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            Diamonds well said .
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            • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 11, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
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              That would be a first. Granted, his first well-said statement will probably precede patrioticKate's, but that's hardly a compliment.
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      • Author by Bad News (October 10, 2009 12:27 am ET)
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        Eric Jaffa, There was a time when something happened overseas we all stood as One.
        But that was when we had White Presidents, it seems now Patriotism is Done.
        I guess you haven't noticed that each time Obama opens his mouth the Extreme Right has a Fit?
        Their plan is to hurt Obama by any means even if they have to Destroy America to do it.

        Speak truth to power.


        Mr. News
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        • Author by patrioticKate (October 10, 2009 9:40 pm ET)
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          Mr News, you seem alittle paranoid with your silly "Their plan is to hurt Obama by any means, even if they have to destroy America". We have a Liberal Democrat as President who has a Majority Democratic Congress who can't seem to get anything done. His problem is he is so wishy-washy of a President he can't even lead his own majority to a decision. Republicans aren't holding him down. I don't know if you've counted lately but he has the Democratic MAJORITY ! Stop Whining and Get it RIGHT!!!!
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          • Author by princeofwheels (October 11, 2009 2:09 am ET)
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            P-Kate...your posts are so obvious.
            Reading you stuff is like listening to ConRadio over and over.

            Are you sure you don't just copy this stuff? Because you certainly repeat the company line over and over and over?

            Now your turn, can you answer me this...if the Dems have such control, why do they Repubs even show up? Do you feel you shouldn't be represented? Or are you just stating what the R's would do?
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 10, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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        "I wouldn't have liked it if a year ago, George W. Bush got the Nobel Prize." - Eric

        Really? You would cheer against an American president receiving an international award? That just seems insane to me. Party is NOT more important than country.
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        • Author by Byte Man (October 11, 2009 4:19 pm ET)
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          Actually, given that King George Bush II invaded Iraq to distract us from the fact that Bin Laden got away, if Bush won the Nobel Peace Prize, I would've demanded he return it. I never saw it awarded for armed aggression, which is why Bush never won it.

          Obama signed an executive order closing the internment camp at Guantanamo Bay, fought to stimulate the economy, and has been a tireless voice for reforming the healthcare system. Bush invaded nations, destroyed his own nation's financial structure with deregulation, and cut taxes during wartime, something NO WORLD LEADER before him ever did.

          Between Obama, and Bush, knowing what all of us "liberals" know to be 'indisputable truths', which political ideaology do you think deserves the award from Alfred Nobel?

          I am proud of Obama.
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          • Author by fairliberal (October 11, 2009 9:12 pm ET)
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            Point out the deregulation that Bush passed during his terms. Can you do it? It is a myth, Clinton signed most of the deregulation. Bush tried to reregulate and was blocked by the dems, led by Dodd , Frank, Maxine Waters and others.

            If you consider "Bush deregulated " as an "Indisputable truth". back it up.
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            • Author by NewBee (October 12, 2009 12:52 am ET)
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              Bush tried to reregulate and was blocked by the dems, led by Dodd , Frank, Maxine Waters and others.
              BS. Bush pushed through rollbacks of environmental protection laws that offended his cronies.
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              • Author by fairliberal (October 12, 2009 12:36 pm ET)
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                The post I was responding to addressed the financial situation, perhaps you should read it before you respond.
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                • Author by NewBee (October 12, 2009 4:47 pm ET)
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                  The post I was responding to addressed the financial situation
                  What you said was just as false about the financial situation.
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            • Author by congero6189599 (October 12, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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              Ok Ms. Paris Business Review ;

              Study: Bush administration blocked efforts to
              prevent housing crisis

              http://rawstory.com/2009/10/study-bush-blocked-efforts/

              Excerpt from the article:

              Federal regulators in the Bush administration blocked attempts
              by state governments to prevent predatory lending practices that resulted in the financial crisis now stalking the American economy, a new study from the University of North Carolina says.

              In 2004, the Office of the Currency Comptroller, an obscure regulatory agency tasked with ensuring the fiscal soundness of America's banks, invoked an 1863 law to give itself the power to override state laws against predatory lending. The OCC told states they could not enforce predatory-lending laws, and all banks would be subject only to less-strict federal laws.

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          • Author by kydem09 (October 12, 2009 8:55 am ET)
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            "Obama signed an executive order closing the internment camp at Guantanamo Bay." -- yet it's still open.

            "Obama . . . fought to stimulate the economy." -- yet his efforts have done nothing to help the economy rebound.

            "Obama . . . has been a tireless voice for reforming the healthcare system." -- yet he can't get reform passed.

            I'm so glad you highlighted all of Obama's wonderful accomplishments. I can see now why he was so deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize!
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            • Author by NewBee (October 12, 2009 11:07 am ET)
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              You provide no evidence, simply your opinion. It's a common ailment of right-wingers. They love to pass off opinion as fact.
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              • Author by fairliberal (October 12, 2009 12:37 pm ET)
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                That's hilarious, that is what happens here daily.
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                • Author by NewBee (October 12, 2009 4:44 pm ET)
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                  That's hilarious, that is what happens here daily.
                  We know. You come here daily and pass off your opinions as fact.
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              • Author by kydem09 (October 12, 2009 1:17 pm ET)
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                Unbelievable. If you don't know that Gitmo isn't closed yet or that health care reform hasn't passed, you're an idiot.
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                • Author by congero6189599 (October 12, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
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                  You argue out of both sides of your mouth. Obama is either all powerful or he's powerless. You stand for more more of the same yet argue that he's not doing what you want. Conservatives are children that can't accept that they lost the election resoundly and the disaster cuased by YOUR policies at the hands of the Bush administration may take more than 10 months to fix. Lets see 8yrs of incompetence and you expect President Obama to turn it around in 10 months. Explain to me again how it is the Dems that consider him the "Messiah?"
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            • Author by foghornleghorn (October 12, 2009 1:13 pm ET)
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              The order to close Guantanamo gave a one-year goal. We still have several months to achieve that goal.

              The economy (based on recent unemployment figures, home sales, etc.) is maybe not getting a lot better, but it's surely not doing any worse.

              Health care? That's a congressional problem.

              You obviously know nothing about how the peace prize is awarded.
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            • Author by peace4all (October 12, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
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              "Obama signed an executive order closing the internment camp at Guantanamo Bay." -- yet it's still open.

              he stated his goal was to have it closed in january 2010. it may be pushed back a bit but it is in progress.

              "Obama . . . fought to stimulate the economy." -- yet his efforts have done nothing to help the economy rebound.

              actually, the economy is turning around. most indicators are pointing in a favorable direction. employment is still lagging as is the case in past recessions.

              "Obama . . . has been a tireless voice for reforming the healthcare system." -- yet he can't get reform passed.

              the healthcare bill are still working their way thru the process. a bill of this size is complicated and takes time. a bill will most likely pass and still may include a public option.

              thanks for playing but once again you show your complete lack of knowledge about how things work in the real world.
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      • Author by themidnightreview.com (October 11, 2009 10:55 am ET)
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        I did not like some of Bush's politics but I would have still been proud to have seen my president win the Nobel.

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        The Midnight Review
        Mum Is The Word
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    • Author by youngcynic (October 10, 2009 1:42 am ET)
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      Media Matters does tend to get pretty petty in the partisan he-said she-said game. Seriously, you're defending Obama as deserving of a peace prize? He has escalated the war in Afghanistan, supplied arms for the war criminals in Israel, set up military bases in Columbia and continues to train mercenaries in Honduras.
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    • Author by KJ (October 10, 2009 8:28 am ET)
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      It is not because the President is being critized. That is a ridiculous. I am 52 years old and only after Nixon committed a CRIME have I see such a witch hunt. And this man has acted in a professional, decent, christian way always. I was taught to respect such people. What did your parents teach you?

      I just would like to know why is it so important that people say he didn't deserve it? What other station waged a campaign on one president before, name just 1 EVER??? They even treated Nixon with respect. He stepped down. We moved on. They didn't even complain about Ford not being elected 1/8 as much as they are on Obama. He is My President of My country darn it and I am defending him! I voted for him and stand behind it. You do what ever it is you are doing. I'll do whatever it is I am doing. Thanks media Matters.
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    • Author by dbow (October 10, 2009 11:43 am ET)
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      Actually, DellDolly, it is common sense to expect that a winner of the Nobel Peace Prize would have done something to affect world peace. I personally am happy that an American won the prize. But, I do not understand what President Obama did to deserve it. I am sure that the committee had a motive for the award. What could it be?
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    • Author by steeve (October 10, 2009 12:38 pm ET)
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      "Perhaps they should change the award's name to the Neville rather than the Nobel."

      In the interest of continuing education, appeasement is not when you talk to bad people, it's when you give stuff to bad people. Sorta like training Osama, arming Saddam, and giving advanced weapons technology to Iran to delay releasing hostages.
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      • Author by SMTDL (October 10, 2009 1:16 pm ET)
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        Excellent assessment Steeve!!!Sometimes I think people on the right are cognitively challenged by everything more complicated than sunshine .They see so narrowly they often contradict what they just said.Last week the right said "the world rejected Barack Obama" because of the Olympics and they derided him relentlessly for it.This week the world embraces him with the Nobel Prize but the right still derides him and ends up stating how they agree with the Taliban,etc...
        All they know is that they have to be opposed to all things Obama!!!!Fox and Rush told em so!!!Michael Steele knows !!!
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      • Author by fantagor (October 10, 2009 4:16 pm ET)
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        Yes, the right thinks explaining to your child why they can't have a new toy is appeasement, but giving them the new toy is parenting.

        Randy
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    • Author by IrishLass (October 10, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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      I love this site!
      Are you not the people who helped to elect a president who had NO EXPERIENCE in handling world affairs or running anything (oh sorry, forgot about ACORN), who rarely voted on anything and used the coward word 'present' instead? You helped get a man elected who is NOW the blame for tearing this country apart?
      Your leader is George Soros. Obama is owned by every socialist, Marxist who through corruption climbed their way up to the now administration.
      It was brilliant actually, let us put in a well spoken man of color and control him, then when people speak against HIS policies, let us call them racist.
      Oh by the way, Obama has no policies, he says what is written for him. The man is always campaigning for his cause, I can not wait to hear the final charges from the cost of Air Force one this year, it will be outrageous.
      Well..I have news for you all, you will fail.
      I spend a lot of time in Europe and Asia. Trust me, I have seen it all.
      Do not tell me...and us..what is Socialism..what is Marxism. I know it well and intend to spread the word of every truth.
      Anti American..."oh..we care about the little guy" you say. Yet, Liberals give in ALL charities nearly 50% less than conservatives do. Please check this fact.
      The truth is..you want to CONTROL the little man.
      This will not happen..ever.
      You did not think that Americans would see through you so quickly did you?
      Nice try. Shame on you all.
      Obama did nothing to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. People are laughing all over the world! Have you read the London Times? GB is very Liberal, yet they saw though it.
      Do not be so afraid of Fox. You all are shaking in your boots, it is actually quite pathetic to see. Your words make you look weak.
      Give my love to George and I will be watching to see if your blog is open to ALL opinions.
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    • Author by givemesometruth (October 10, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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      So Beck thinks the tea-baggers should have won.

      Showing up at presidential speeches with guns and signs advocating assassination doesn't seem so peaceful to me.
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    • Author by rasotis (October 10, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
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      One of the characteristics of Media Matters that I respect is the effort to objectify journalism and call out right-wing media when unfounded opinion masquerades for information. This page is the first major instance where I have seen Media Matters resort to some of the same pejorative language as is commonly used by right-wing media itself ("right again makes an anti-American ass of itself"). While I agree that Media Matters is in fact correct in the characterization, I still do not like this kind of language creeping into the conversation. I think we need to promote rationality in media. Resorting to sensationalism doesn't help.
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      • Author by Appleboy (October 10, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
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        I agree.
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (October 10, 2009 3:36 pm ET)
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        I still do not like this kind of language creeping into the conversation

        If the word fits, it should be used.

        Grow up.
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        • Author by fairliberal (October 10, 2009 4:11 pm ET)
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          How do you feel about the lefties who are also disagreeing with the award, are they also anti-American asses? After all if the word fits it should be used right? I would assume that the use of the term "criminal enterprise" is also acceptable to you in describing acorn. After all about 30 of their employees all across the country have pled guilty to fraud and they have also shown a pattern of corruption all across the country in their willingness to assist people in breaking the law. I am sure you would be comfortable in using that term to describe Blackwater, am I correct? So why not acorn?

          If the word fits , it should be used.
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          • Author by DellDolly (October 10, 2009 10:21 pm ET)
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            I explained this to you above.

            People have different reasons for being wrong.

            People who think Obama shouldn't have gotten the prize because of their Obama Derangement Syndrome - those are the unAmerican ones. The ones who just don't understand the criteria? Not so much.

            Criminal enterprise is used when the attitude of the organization is criminal. When criminality is condoned, not condemned, by the leadership.

            So, no, ACORN is not a criminal enterprise, but Blackwater sure the heck is.
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            • Author by fairliberal (October 11, 2009 9:49 pm ET)
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              Yeah right, it is just a coincidence that acorn employees all over the country give the same advice and assistance to people posing as prostitutes and sex slave importers. And another coincidence that acorn employees all over the country are guilty of registration fraud.

              I guess it is perfectly acceptable to you that the management of acorn also covered up the theft of funds from the organization. But heck he was the boss's brother, he deserved the money.
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              • Author by DellDolly (October 12, 2009 1:00 am ET)
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                Well, if various employees at many different locations had all given the same advice, then you might have a point, but that didn't actually happen, dum-dum. You might want to get your facts straight before you go off like this.

                Reality is that only at a couple of locations did they actually provide advice, and it was not the same advice and assistance at those limited locations.

                The lead guy at ACORN did decide that the best option to keep ACORN afloat was to not publicize the theft of the money, but it was kept totally hidden. He didn't cover it up. He just didn't publicize it. I don't think that's right, and when his actions were exposed, he was forced out by the organization.

                So, that incident is actually evidence that there's no criminal enterprise! When the actions of one person became exposed, the organization forced him out. That's like the exact opposite of what would happen in a criminal enterprise.

                You really make yourself look incredibly ignorant when you don't think before you post, you know! It baffles me how people as ignorant as you are think you can educate the rest of us.
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        • Author by Appleboy (October 11, 2009 10:38 am ET)
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          So not wanting to have this sort of language in the conversation is NOT being a grown up? Alrighty then.
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    • Author by truthseeker77 (October 10, 2009 6:00 pm ET)
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      Bin Laden opposed the Iraq war.
      Democrats opposed the Iraq war.
      Therefore, Democrats sided with Bin laden in that case.

      Shame on Democrats.
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      • Author by patrioticKate (October 10, 2009 9:20 pm ET)
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        Seriously Truth Seeker. Your logic now gives me understanding how Obama got elected.
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        • Author by princeofwheels (October 11, 2009 2:26 am ET)
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          You mean you never realized until this moment why the r's got crushed.

          RightWing Hate Radio driving the indies to the left.
          Illegal invasion of Iraq.
          The destruction of our Constitution.
          The disregard of the middle and lower classes and laws.
          Bush...
          Cheney..

          and many more..but one of the main reason could have been,,,wait for it..

          Your ticket..McCain and Palin.

          You mean to say that you never thought that anything on this short list could've been the cause. Maybe a little reading and venturing outside the teacup world would help illuminate you.
          Are you sure you aren't fairlibs feminine side?
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      • Author by DellDolly (October 10, 2009 10:22 pm ET)
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        Osama bin Laden was thrilled that we invaded Iraq. He loved that we did such a stupid thing that inflamed so many radical Muslims.
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      • Author by tuersm3856 (October 11, 2009 1:16 pm ET)
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        Here's some truth for you: Bin Laden worked for the CIA (that we know of) right up to 9-11-2001. Just ask former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds.

        So shut your mouth with this ignorant "you're with al Qaeda" finger pointing. al Qaeda is a black-ops arm of U.S. military intelligence.
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        • Author by DellDolly (October 11, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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          Sibel Edmonds is not a credible source. She was a low-level employee who only had limited access to data for a fairly short period of time. She has inflated her actual access to information and exaggerated her importance. Some of her complaints were certainly valid. She may have found out some things - I don't doubt everything she has said, but she's not a source you should rely upon. She worked as a translater from Sept of one year until March of the next year, getting very simple items to translate. She simply didn't have access to know all that she claims to know. She got fired because she accused a co-worker of not being as trustworthy as they should have been. Looks like she was accurate, and it was her complaints that got her fired as a troublemaker. That does NOT mean that all of her other allegations, most of which she'd have no way of having personal knowledge of, are accurate or something we should go to her for info about.
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          • Author by tuersm3856 (October 12, 2009 1:27 am ET)
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            Okay. You may question her credibility and the credibility of the countless others who claim to have evidence implicating rogue elements of the U.S. government in the 9-11 attacks, but I still don't understand why it's so hard to believe that evil people like to infiltrate governments and are, more often then not (history shows) successful.

            The U.S. has a large population of truly patriotic people. Some are patriotic, but in a dangerously misguided fashion. Most people watch sports and American Idol. A lazy, ignorant majority is all it takes for governments to go bad.
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            • Author by DellDolly (October 12, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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              She didn't even start working as a translator until after 9/11, so she has no knowledge of any prior explicit knowledge of the US being involved in the planning either.

              You are the one who wrote that we should pay attention to her when there's no credible evidence that we should pay attention to her hardly at all, and certainly not at all in regard to who might have infiltrated the US government before 9/11.

              You claimed you had "truth" for us. Then you had a massive 'fail' with your proof of that truth. The problematic side of this debate is not coming from me.
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    • Author by proudconservative (October 10, 2009 9:06 pm ET)
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      We aren't rooting against America, we are against those rooting for the pro-socialist agenda of the president and the nobel committee.
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      • Author by steeve (October 11, 2009 12:54 am ET)
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        We're only socialist when capitalists screw up.

        Don't like national health care? Blame the insurance companies. We wouldn't be talking about it if they'd done a half-decent job.
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      • Author by princeofwheels (October 11, 2009 2:32 am ET)
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        Yes, me too. That danedm nobel committee. Did you see who they picked for the winner in Biology and Chemistry? Weren't they awful selections/
        Me and you POV, we'll cleanup this award process made by people from countries far way from here who have their own set of rules..How dare they not listen or take advice from America?
        I suggest that the American soccer team refuse their invitation to the World Cup until the travesties of the Biology and Chemistry awards are changed.
        Anyone else wishing to join me and POV, please reply to this request.

        P.S. And I haven't even begun to get into those stinking award for Literature.
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        • Author by themidnightreview.com (October 11, 2009 11:22 am ET)
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          Venkatraman Ramakrishnan, Thomas A. Steitz, Ada E. Yonath won the prize jointly for studying the structure and function of ribosomes. There research is in defiance with God, and they are working to turn God into another mythological figure.

          All scientists should just leave research alone. Science benefits no one. They are just trying to politicize DNA and further marginalize the God-loving right.

          Just kidding, of course...
          --------------------------------------------
          The Midnight Review
          Mum Is The Word
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      • Author by Marker (October 11, 2009 11:10 am ET)
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        A repug like yourself is just plain anti-American. It's a shame we can't deport you and the rest of your ilk.
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        • Author by kydem09 (October 12, 2009 9:06 am ET)
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          And here I thought people on the left were supposed to be so compassionate, accepting and understand.
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          • Author by steeve (October 12, 2009 1:39 pm ET)
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            We didn't get any results with that, so we stopped doing it.

            Show us a sign that your side would respond to kindness and compromise and we'll consider trying again.
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          • Author by Marker (October 12, 2009 5:51 pm ET)
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            We are understanding, we understand there is no chance of penetrating that thick empty head of yours, we accept there is no chance of penetrating that thick empty head of your....see
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    • Author by tuersm3856 (October 11, 2009 1:08 pm ET)
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      I think this was a strategic move by the international community to get Obama to back off from attacking Iran and to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan...as a true man of peace would do.

      I hope it works. That would bring the tally of campaign promises that he hasn't totally gone back on to...uh, one.
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      • Author by steeve (October 11, 2009 6:12 pm ET)
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        He kept his promise to break his spine in a neverending futile effort at bipartisanship.

        He basically told everyone over and over again that he'd been asleep for the last 20 years and got nominated anyway.
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    • Author by diamonds (October 11, 2009 10:20 pm ET)
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      This makes sense, seeing as that the undeniable currents of racism, violence, and xenophobia the Tea Party "movement" embodies represent the very essence of what Alfred Nobel's prize is all about. Sigh, again.

      Are you saying that the anti-war and anti-G12 were more peaceful? Show me these violent "tea party" protesters who were arrested in mass numbers, please!
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    • Author by Adam M (October 12, 2009 9:07 am ET)
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      The facts remain the same...Obama has done nothing to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. I wish there was one tangible reason that could be shown why he deserved this prestigious award, so that we can end this argument. The President even said in his thankful acceptance speech for the award that he plans to prove in some way reasons for why he desrves the award during his future time remaining as President.
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    • Author by blk-in-alabam (October 12, 2009 9:30 am ET)
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      People want to ignore the fact President Obama has done some things that other winners of the Nobel Peace Prize have done,caused peace.If the republicans had maintained control of The White House war and reasons for war would have escalated.Probably to the point where there would be talk of millions war dead instead of thousands.Barac Obama getting elected POTUS saved many lives.Barac Obama taking the Oath of POTUS immediately stopped Israel from killing thousands of women and children,and allowed them to get help.President Obama has truly earned The Nobel Peace Prize.
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      • Author by fairliberal (October 12, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
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        Where has Obama caused peace?
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        • Author by blk-in-alabam (October 12, 2009 12:55 pm ET)
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          Care to respond to my post.The question you ask was answered in the above post.Israel currently is not bombing women and children .If your reply is the usual dribble I have seen in your post,I have no reply.
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