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Palin's book and Obama's bow: a media week to forget

November 23, 2009 6:43 am ET

Ugh, what a gruesome week it was for news consumers as the "serious" press showered time and attention on two GOP-friendly stories that defined "trivial pursuits": a book release and a bow. Sadly, this is what the Beltway press corps now voluntarily -- eagerly -- reduces itself to: chasing pointless, vacuous "news" stories that are literally of no consequence.

Why? Because the book and bow represented the easy, lazy, and safe thing to do last week. And among media elites, those remain three irresistible forces. (Raise your hand if you heard even one insightful comment about Sarah Palin amidst the TV cacophony last week.) That, along with the media's tradition of acquiescing to whatever production/distraction the GOP Noise Machine is cooking up, ensured the book and bow were elevated to breaking news status. Meaning, if it's a big deal to Drudge and Limbaugh and Beck and Malkin -- if they're all cheering it (Palin's book) or if they're all screaming about it (President Obama's bow) -- it must be news. In reality, of course, that's an awful way to run a newsroom assignment desk. But more and more producers and editors are gladly abdicating their responsibilities.

Not that long ago, serious journalists routinely ignored the noisemakers on the fringe, confident in their own ability to identify the news. Now, many inside the Beltway not only refuse to ignore the right-wing fringe, they look to it expectantly for "news" leads and soon find themselves filing pointless stories about whether the president's bow to the Japanese emperor was too deep. Or inappropriate. Or whatever the haters were carping about. (Of course, in news accounts, the unhinged haters are dressed up as Obama "critics.")

Not only did we see monumentally misguided decisions in obsessing over Palin's book release and even acknowledging the manufactured controversy of Obama's bow, but lots of the actual coverage was just atrocious. ABC News, in particular, seemed to embarrass itself in this regard.

Sitting down for a softball session with Palin, ABC's Barbara Walters asked her if it was Obama who lied about the health reform "death panels." Of course, as the whole world (minus Walters) knows, it was Palin who manufactured the universally debunked "death panel" smear this summer. But on ABC, Walters wanted to know if Obama was lying when he claimed death panels did not exist. Walters then allowed Palin to claim Obama had been "disingenuous" about the whole thing. (Welcome to Bizarro World.)

Meanwhile, for the utterly pointless tale of Obama's bow, ABC's Jake Tapper published an anonymous email from a "friend" (I kid you not) who claimed to be an expert on the Japanese Empire, and who mocked the president's bend-at-the-waist greeting. And yes, that represented the entirety of Tapper's "reporting" on the topic for that post. (BTW, Tapper's friend was dead wrong in his analysis, according to lots of named experts in Japanese culture and protocol.)

So yes, it was a media week to forget as the press covered the wrong stories, poorly.

My favorite headline from Palin Week, and the one that perfectly captured the absurdity of the media's purposeful overkill, came courtesy of Talking Points Memo, as it recapped the latest batch of (dismal) public polling data about the former Alaska governor:

Poll: Even Conservatives Don't Want Palin Running For President

What we learned from the pointless orgy of Palin news coverage last week is that the D.C. press corps has a very firm grasp on the obvious. Yes, Palin is a polarizing figure and yes, she might run for president in 2012. But honestly, did the cable channels and networks really have to mention "Palin" more than 1,700 times last week to make that blindingly obvious point. (That's the tally, according to TVeyes.) The news media's response to Palin's book was, of course, comically disproportionate to the supposed news surrounding it, or even surrounding her political status for that matter.

Based solely on her standing in the polls, Palin is the Dan Quayle of 2009. (She's the proud owner of a 23 percent favorable rating -- 23 percent.) So why do the media treat her as a rising superstar? Why, for instance, did The Washington Post insist on publishing dueling Going Rogue book reviews, an absurd editorial decision since the book itself was the definition of lightweight. ("It's definitely not a policy book and it's not going to change minds about her." And that was from a fan.)

The Palin book release story itself was built on empty, useless calories. Two or three weeks from now, nobody is going to remember (or need to remember) anything that transpired during Palin Week, because virtually nothing noteworthy happened. But journalists sure did their best to justify the madness.

The Washington Post's Michael Shear claimed that "there seems to be an insatiable demand from our audience -- liberals and conservatives -- and at the end of the day we have to, and should, respond to that." At Politico, Ben Smith explained Palin drives traffic and besides, "she's a great story and a pretty important political figure." And writing on The New York Times' Op-Ed page, a local Alaska journalist, Michael Carey, claimed, "The nation made [Palin] a celebrity."

The nation? Really? I'd say the press has made Palin a celebrity, while for the last year the nation has shrugged its collective shoulders.

Is there any evidence that since last November a large numbers of Americans who are not white evangelicals (Palin's most supportive base) and are not professional journalists (Palin's second-most supportive base), really care about what Sarah Palin thinks or says? I certainly haven't seen any proof to support that media's working assumption of Palin "mania." Yes, I understand she's selling lots of books this week. But thanks to the avalanche of free publicity, it would be shocking if she didn't move hundreds of thousands of units. (It's almost impossible to calculate how much free publicity the press generated for Palin's book with its blanketed, mass media coverage, but if pressed I'd guess the news media delivered at least $30 million worth of free marketing for HarperCollins.) But is there any larger proof that Palin, who remains perennially unpopular across the country, is in any way a political force?

I'll bet five bucks that when the Pew Research numbers come out this week we'll see a massive disconnect in terms of the amount of time journalists dedicated (i.e. wasted) to the Palin story, and the microscopic percentage of news consumers who listed the Palin book launch as the story they paid the most attention to last week. Instead, once again it will be the economy or health care that top the list because (surprise!) that's what matters to people. Beltway parlor games, and especially pointless ones involving Palin, are of no interest to most news consumers.

Speaking of disconnect, we saw it on full display with regards to the non-story of Obama's bow in Japan. And what we learned from the bow kerfuffle is that the press is still unwilling to ignore the trumped-up charges that the GOP Noise Machine concocts everyday in its incessant, hateful campaign against the president. (For the media, right-wing anger = news.) I had hoped journalists learned a valuable lesson in September, when mainstream outlets took seriously, and even eagerly hyped, the far-right's pre-emptive, hysterical claim that Obama was going to indoctrinate American students into his socialist agenda when he spoke to them via satellite. In the end, though, the press looked just as foolish as the Obama haters when the president delivered his speech and simply urged students to excel in class and stay in school.

Unfortunately, the bow charade proved once again the press still cannot resist the right-wing's siren song. The press cannot turn away from the loud, fringe shouts, even when those shouts revolve around utter trivia, and when those knee-jerk shouts are about a story that can easily be answered with the question, "Who cares?" As in, who cares if some people online didn't like the angle of Obama's greeting?

The sad truth is that the press is still way too impressed with the right-wing shouts and still capitulates to them, and then dutifully translates those shouts into "news" with coverage that seems purposefully dumbed down in order to avoid bringing news consumers to the obvious conclusion that the Obama-hating allegation being "debated" that day is absurd. Or, to avoid bringing news consumers to the equally obvious conclusion that the allegation being "debated" raised more questions about critics making it (i.e. what is wrong with these people?), than it did their target.

And, oh yeah, the disconnect: A sweeping majority of Americans approved of Obama's bow. And even a majority of Republicans thought it was the right thing to do.

The press should have ignored the bow nonsense and left it to the Obama haters. Just like the press should have put an early cap on its Palin coverage. When is that liberal media going to learn?

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    • Author by Cheney2012 (November 23, 2009 9:44 am ET)
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      I think they are trying to catch Media Matters' for consecutrive weeks to forget.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (November 23, 2009 9:57 am ET)
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        Could someone please translate Cheney2012's post into coherence? It makes no sense whatsoever.

        Thanks.
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        • Author by papa bear3 (November 23, 2009 10:30 pm ET)
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          "Consecutrive" is a Bushism for drinking while blogging, s form of consecutrivitis which in layman's terms is fear of truth.
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          • Author by MickD (November 24, 2009 9:16 am ET)
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            It's hard to be a Heritage Foundation stooge...drinking before noon is just the tip of the iceberg.
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        • Author by Cheney2012 (November 24, 2009 10:42 am ET)
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          When do you ever make sense? A$$Hole
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          • Author by DellDolly (November 24, 2009 3:33 pm ET)
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            Two wrongs don't make a right. Why do we have to keep explaining this to you and your ilk? If someone else doesn't make sense, that doesn't remove YOUR burden to make sense.

            And it's indisputable that your sentence doesn't make sense.
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            • Author by mookie von zipper (November 25, 2009 1:49 pm ET)
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              where's the difficulty in seeing cheney's comparison, even with the obvious typo, of a media's week to forget with any number of media matters' weeks to forget?... make sense now?... sure it does...

              you have just been successfully disputed...

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          • Author by dirtylittlereligion (November 24, 2009 4:14 pm ET)
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            This Cheney seems to be about as level tempered as the real one. Or is this the real Cheney?
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      • Author by Bad News (November 23, 2009 10:32 am ET)
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        Give Me Racism Or Give Me Death?
        Is this what's in Sarah Palin's Heart? Is there any Doubt Left?
        "We Need To Profile Them"
        Is that code for "White's Only" Or is "The Poet" out on a Limb?

        Speak truth to power.


        Mr. News
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      • Author by heru (November 23, 2009 10:38 am ET)
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        This is not a week to forget, it is a week not to forget. Wingnuts exploit social amnesia. Thank God we have an archive like Media Matters so that the nefarious activities of the conservative lunatic fringe can be exposed and recorded for future use. Jon Stewart's use of archived footage to expose the deceit of Faux News comes to mind.
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (November 23, 2009 10:55 am ET)
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        I think they are trying to catch Media Matters' [sic] for consecutrive [sic] weeks to forget.

        Is there a neocon on board who can explain what Cheney is babbling about here? Thanks in advance.
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 23, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
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          Sorry,PLRR, should have scrolled down. You'd think even the hardcore dittohead could manage to pull it together for one sentence.
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      • Author by snoopy (November 23, 2009 12:45 pm ET)
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        I can understand why you want to forget media matters, after all, being proven daily that your party of choice lies, cheats and steals to get ahead because they have no plan whatsoever to solve this country's problems must really suck for you. But what does that have to do with the fact that your party of choice lies, cheats and steals to get ahead because they have no plan whatsoever to solve this country's problems?
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        • Author by Cheney2012 (November 24, 2009 10:41 am ET)
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          But what does that have to do with the fact that your party of choice lies, cheats and steals to get ahead because they have no plan whatsoever to solve this country's problems?

          What besides collecting more in taxes and claiming more power for itself is part of a Democrartic 'plan' for anything?

          We're waiting for you to defend your party of 'choice.'
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          • Author by louee (November 25, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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            We're waiting for YOU to defend your wack-job party. At least the democrats are attempting to address serious issues like healthcare, global warming, two wars that are stretching both our military and our treasury way to thin, and the travesty of GITMO, just to name a few big things. And what do the Republicans add to this discussion? Dumb denial, hateful fear mongering and nothing else. And you know what? I think anybody who doesn't pay their fair share of taxes to make this democracy go is a creepy little traitor. Why don't you sheep load yourselves on a boat and go establish a new territory? You could call it "Home of the Stupid, Land of the Selfish."
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 23, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
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        Dick, you should really try reading these out loud to somebody sober before posting. Proofreading a one-sentence comment for coherence shouldn't be that overwhelming.
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    • Author by heru (November 23, 2009 9:57 am ET)
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      The press hype of all things "conservative" is no coincidence. To normal people, Palin and Beck seem like total morons. Even though they are obviously dull, schizoid and perhaps psychopathic, Palin and Beck are spellbinders for the troubled pathocracy of white "supremacy". In the process of intoxicating masses of loud ignorant hateful whites they expose the reality of conservatism: a mere ideological cover for the new KKK. The new KKK is CCC (Council of Conservative Citizens).
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    • Author by manofmystique (November 23, 2009 10:52 am ET)
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      It is simply astounding that anyone, including the media, would take Sarah Palin serious.
      Here's a woman who was a total embarrassment to the world of politics.
      Unqualified Palin was a lousy, divisive Vice-presidential candidate AND she was a terrible Governor who quit her job.
      Not only that, but she wanted to continue the failed policies of the Bush Administration.
      Now the media want to treat her like somekind of legitmate comtender for President in 2012, even though she appeal to the dangerous mentally challenged Tea Baggers, Deathers and Birthers. What a joke!!
      What the media show focus on John McCain and the reason why he would put such a woman on a national stage. Ask yourself a question. Why would John McCain want her to be a heartbeat from the Presidency?
      The media ignores the fact that John McCain bare responsibility for Sarah Palin.




      Unqualified Palin was a lousy, divisive Vice-presidential candidate AND she was a terrible Governor who quit her job.
      Not only that, but she wanted to continue the failed policies of the Bush Administration. If that's not disturbing, nothing is.
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      • Author by DellDolly (November 23, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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        What's really clear is that, without coming out publicly and saying so, behind the scenes almost all of the leading Republicans have let the press know that they understand that Palin will never be the nominee in 2012. They've told the press that they get that her unfavorables aren't going to change because they're based in reality. She's not a viable candidate and so they aren't hitching their horses to her.

        Now, I do think that it's proper to challenge John McCain's choices here. We used to think he was pretty reasonable and made reasoned choices. But, now it's clear that he doesn't. He's flat against healthcare reform without a good reason to back up his rejection of it. He's gone off the deep end in several ways, and is almost as wishy-washy in other ways as Chrissy Matthews is, and that's really bad!
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 23, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
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          On a positive note (for those silver-lining, optimistic types) there seems to be far fewer of the right wingers posting here that MMFA and the people commenting are the ones obsessed with Palin, and causing the media blitz. Is it possible that the media exposure is letting even the wingnuts see the emptiness of Palin, and making them less confused about her celebrity ?

          OK, maybe they're just sleepy.
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 23, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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            I love The Onion's editorial cartoons.

            [http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/KellyPalinBook.jpg]
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            • Author by Pinhead (November 23, 2009 7:09 pm ET)
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              Kelly's awesome! My favorite political cartoon.
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              • Author by MickD (November 24, 2009 9:19 am ET)
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                Lady Liberty is always crying in his cartoons, for anger or pride. Brilliant. They could publish these in the Wash Times and no one who reads it would get the irony.
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      • Author by ELG3 (November 25, 2009 1:27 am ET)
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        You think Sarah was a terrible governor? Really? You do know that she had a FAVORABLE percentage in the 80's as the governor? Hmmmmm..... you libs are not very smart.... are you!
        The only reason your "Easy Reader" is at 50% approval.... is because the Gallop Poll is Left-Leaning.... and O'Bama is way too big to FAIL!
        You do understand that the Democrap Party is never... never... never going to live down... putting a "Teleprompter Reader" in the White House!
        He sure knows how to give a party, though ... I guess he doesn't know... that over 10% of people are out of work!
        I remember when Bush was put down for playing golf, when a war was on... so he stopped playing! O'Bama has played over 30 times! I guess O'Bama is going to party like it's 1999!
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        • Author by political_left-religious_right (November 25, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
             
          You think Sarah was a terrible governor? Really? You do know that she had a FAVORABLE percentage in the 80's as the governor? Hmmmmm..... you libs are not very smart.... are you! [sic]

          First of all, stop the shouting. It makes you look like an idiot. Second, don't be redundant in your claims; if Palin's approval rating was "in the 80's" then you don't need to say that they were favorable. This, too, makes you look like an idiot. Third, provide a link to buttress your claim, that is, if you don't want to look like an idiot.

          The only reason your "Easy Reader" is at 50% approval.... is because the Gallop [sic] Poll is Left-Leaning.... and O'Bama [sic] is way too big to FAIL!

          I don't know what kind of an insult "Easy Reader" is supposed to be, but let's not forget that at least Obama (the correct spelling, by the way--he's American, not Irish) didn't use a ghostwriter. And good luck with that ridiculous insinuation against the Gallup Poll, by the way.

          You do understand that the Democrap [sic] Party is never... never... never going to live down... putting a "Teleprompter Reader" in the White House!

          Why not? Obama isn't the first president to use one, nor will he be the last. Of all the nonsensical trivia you neocons obsess over, that may be the most ridiculous.

          He sure knows how to give a party, though ... I guess he doesn't know... that over 10% of people are out of work!

          I'm sure he's well aware of it; I also doubt that anyone currently out of work (unless he's a neocon) has any problem with Obama "giving a party."

          I remember when Bush was put down for playing golf, when a war was on...

          Bush was "put down" for his callous disregard of the trouble he'd caused.

          so he stopped playing!

          Oh, how magnanimous of him!

          O'Bama [sic] has played over 30 times!

          The insignificance of any of your complaints is incredible.

          I guess O'Bama [sic] is going to party like it's 1999!

          G.W. Bush hadn't become president yet--yes, that's reason enough to party!
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    • Author by grmce (November 23, 2009 2:07 pm ET)
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      Regarding the nonsense about "that bow", did anyone notice the height difference between the President and the Emperor?

      In order to merely shake hands in a civilised manner required a substantial bend at the waist.
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      • Author by Commonman (November 23, 2009 9:07 pm ET)
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        Oh pulease! The Pres. can't straighten his arm? If it was so forgetable why are you trying to defend it?
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        • Author by DellDolly (November 24, 2009 3:38 pm ET)
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          He wasn't trying to ignore the bow. He was explaining the depth of the bow as being related to the height of the Emperor!

          And it flew right over your head.

          Like the commonman, you are sorely lacking in common sense.

          The President shook the Emperor's hand because the Emperor extended his hand. Obama bowed to show respect for local customs. As Obama said through a spokesman, there's not going to be any doubt about the strength of the USA because Obama bowed! His physical movements don't change that we're the most powerful nation ever on the face of the Earth!
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    • Author by justjoe628 (November 23, 2009 6:06 pm ET)
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      The AP assigned 11 "fact checker" to Sarah Palin's book and ZERO to check Obama's two books. Why is that? Can someone give me a legitimate answer without any lefty spin? I doubt it.
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      • Author by magnolialover (November 23, 2009 6:12 pm ET)
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        Because, at the time Obama's book came out, he wasn't really a national figure, Palin is. There have been plenty of folks who have fact checked Obama's book since, but he also doesn't seem to have the loose handle of the truth that Palin appears to have.
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      • Author by justjoe628 (November 23, 2009 6:15 pm ET)
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        I'll reply to mayself. I hope Palin doesn't run in 2012. She'd be a terrible candidate. We might as well trot out Dole or McCain again. As far as the bow is concerned, who care. It's politics.
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        • Author by rms (November 23, 2009 7:16 pm ET)
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          The bow had nothing to do with politics, but with common courtesy in the country he was visiting.
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          • Author by Commonman (November 23, 2009 9:09 pm ET)
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            Then no other political figure is courteous? No one else is hitting 90 degrees on the bow there. And, I repeat, it it's so forgettable why are you defending it?
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            • Author by steeve (November 23, 2009 9:43 pm ET)
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              It's not forgettable because it's all over the friggin' media. When the media obsesses over vapid trivia, we're going to obsess over the media dragging democracy down with it.
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              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 23, 2009 11:17 pm ET)
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                Yeah, but just because the media was obsessing over it, and it's one of the subjects of this MM item, why would you possibly be mentioning it ?

                And why don't we have protractors on site at all international meetings to check the angle of bows ?

                WTF are they putting in the wingnuts' water ?.
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                • Author by Commonman (November 24, 2009 2:01 am ET)
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                  Better stuff than they're putting in yours. I see that as soon as someone makes a comment or asks a question here that doesn't quite jive with the "progressive" orthodoxy one or more of you folks drag out the ridicule. All conservatives are "knuckle draggers" or "wingnuts" etc. I suppose it saves having to actually answer the questions asked. I actually got out my protractor and checked the photo.

                  (Naw...jes funnin' y'all. Us wingnuts ain't really brainy 'nuff ta even figger what a protractor is.)
                  Funny thang is...ah sure don't see many folks writin' nice stuff 'bout Obammy's Asia trip. Neither them 'publicans nor them Demycrats.
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                  • Author by snoopy (November 24, 2009 7:14 am ET)
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                    That's cause you don't look too far past yer reichwhine blinders, son. Mebbe yu shud stop actin like yer horses' @ss while yu look at yer horses' @ss an a pull yer head out o' yer @ss!
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                    • Author by Commonman (November 24, 2009 2:11 pm ET)
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                      Ah don' have no hoss snoopy. And a'hm not as flexible as you there progressives. Yuh wanna demonstrate the manoover?
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                  • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 24, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
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                    Sorry, Commonman, you can save your Victim Mentality whining for somebody who hasn't seen it yet. NObody ridiculed you for simply disagreeing, I was laughing that you bought into the media spin that the President observing normal customs is some sort of submission to foreign powers.

                    When you're reduced to checking the geometry of a bow, you've got to realize you're just being led by the nose to see horrors that aren't there.

                    I'm not sure what question you think is not being answered. This one?

                    it it's so forgettable why are you defending it?


                    I don't know if anybody used the word "forgettable", but national leaders bowing, or shaking hands, or observing other customs is not a news item. It doesn't need to be "defended" any more than if a foreign leader came to the U.S. and removed his hat on entering a building.

                    The comments here are simply discussing the media's obsession with trivial, manufactured issues. That's why the bow is being mentioned (or "defended").

                    Get it?

                    And please, pack up that whole "I'm being picked on just because I disagree !" tantrum and retire it. It just makes you look like an irresponsible victim who can't stand behind his own words, and I see it from right wingers every time I visit this site.It's really wimpy.
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                    • Author by Commonman (November 24, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
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                      A large number of progressive or liberal or leftist comment on this site is a handbook on victimology and how to exploit it.

                      As far as the triviality of the bow is concerned. If it were the only miscue committed by this president then I would agree. But the ongoing drop in his poll numbers and those of the Democratic controlled congress demonstrates that the majority of the nation, and large numbers of independents are not impressed with the whole hope and change mantra.

                      The bow is simply another symptom of a much larger ailment. Criticism is not just coming from the right the increasing verdict is that this is appearing more and more to be a failed presidency. Even SNL is spoofing a President not ready for prime time.

                      I seem to remember the MSM being all over George W. Bush for mispronunciation of words, for the time he fainted and threw up on the Japanese Prime Minister, and for his slip of the tongue when he called Australian troops "Austrian". (seemed trivial to me based on your current benchmark)

                      I seem to remember that the left was constant and loud in keeping such faux pas in front of the national consciousness.

                      You folks are past masters at the double standard.
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                      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 24, 2009 2:51 pm ET)
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                        See, right off the bat, I pointed out clearly that you're playing the victim, and you respond with some vague opinion that others are a handbook on victimology. This is why you get poked fun at, not for having a different opinion, but for confusing your feelings with facts.

                        The bow was not a "miscue", it was a normal observance of custom. Obviously, you know this, as shown by your clumsy lane change into poll numbers.

                        You don't provide anything to back up your "much larger ailment" or "failed presidency" (pretty ridiculous in itself, less than a year into a 4 year term).

                        SNL spoofs every president. I've laughed at their skits about Obama, Bush Jr., Clinton, Daddy Bush, Reagan, Ford, Carter, Nixon... again, you don't have a point here.

                        If you consider throwing up on somebody as standard a custom as shaking hands or bowing, I hope we never cross paths in any social situation.

                        Again, comparing completely normal, unremarkable behavior (bowing) to being inarticulate, vomiting, or not knowing the names of countries, is just silly. The double standard you should be pointing out is the opposite of the one you're struggling to make.

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                        • Author by Commonman (November 24, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
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                          Your feelings about me are a fact. My comments to you are "feelings"

                          The bow was not a "normal observance of custom" for United States Presidents. Please show me any other president who bowed in the manner that President Obama bowed.

                          The poll numbers may seem to be a "clumsy lane change" to you (another way of poking fun) but they are an indication that the Presidents policies and actions are increasingly seen to be at odds with what the public expects. The shift also correlates to the bow. His numbers hit new lows this week.

                          Unemployment in the low 10 percentile, and rising, deficit spending that is far and away the highest of all time, and an economy that seems poised to sink into a double dip recession and you don't see that as evidence of a problem? Oh I suppose not. You probably think he's not spending enough.

                          SNL spoofs every president but CNN doesn't "fact check" all those spoofs.

                          Throwing up is involuntary. Bowing is voluntary. The one President Bush couldn't help. The other President Obama could.
                          A slip of the tongue is one thing, a deliberate choice to act is another.

                          I don't see a great number of quotes, proof, facts or figures in your latest posts. But you expect them from me. More double standard?
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                          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 24, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
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                            I see that as soon as someone makes a comment or asks a question here that doesn't quite jive with the "progressive" orthodoxy one or more of you folks drag out the ridicule (Commonman)


                            That didn't happen. That's what I'm talking about re: the victim stuff.

                            Here's a president bowing. If by "in the manner", you mean the exact same angle, you're being ridiculous.

                            [http://www.stolendroids.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bush_bow.jpg]


                            Explain how the bow is not trivial because of a drop in poll numbers.What's the connection? How do polls determine the importance a separate, isolated event, a person bowing? If Obama's polls were on the rise, would he be bowing at an acceptable angle? Do you see how nutty that is?

                            Our economy is in pretty bad shape. I don't know where you think I said otherwise.

                            What does CNN fact-checking a spoof have to do with you singling out their spoofs of Obama as proof that he's a failed president?

                            Throwing up on a foreign leader is, indeed, involuntary. It's also pretty good fodder for jokes. Bowing to a foreign leader is perfectly normal. It's as hilarious as saying hello or asking somebody to please pass the salt. Until you can admit that your obsession with the bow is a phony act, it's hard to take you seriously.

                            I didn't ask for quotes, facts or figures from you. Just some common sense.If there's anything in my post that you think needs backup, let me know. Otherwise, this is pretty boring, due to all of your shifting positions and pretending to connect unrelated events.





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                            • Author by Commonman (November 24, 2009 10:23 pm ET)
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                              I see that as soon as someone makes a comment or asks a question here that doesn't quite jive with the "progressive" orthodoxy one or more of you folks drag out the ridicule (Col. Sanders quoting "Commonman)

                              ColSanders:
                              That didn't happen. That's what I'm talking about re: the victim stuff.

                              commonman:
                              It didn't happen?
                              Commonman (November 23, 2009 9:09 pm ET)
                              Then no other political figure is courteous? No one else is hitting 90 degrees on the bow there. And, I repeat, it it's so forgettable why are you defending it?
                              Col.Sanders (November 23, 2009 11:17 pm ET)
                              WTF are they putting in the wingnuts' water?
                              commonman:
                              Funny thang is...ah sure don't see many folks writin' nice stuff 'bout Obammy's Asia trip. Neither them 'publicans nor them Demycrats.
                              snoopy (November 24, 2009 7:14 am ET)
                              That's cause you don't look too far past yer reichwhine blinders, son. Mebbe yu shud stop actin like yer horses' @ss while yu look at yer horses' @ss an a pull yer head out o' yer @ss!

                              Sounds like name calling and ridicule to me. This is pretty typical of this site.

                              Col. Sanders:
                              Here's a president bowing. If by "in the manner", you mean the exact same angle, you're being ridiculous.

                              Commonman:
                              Nice pic. Good point. A Pope instead of an emperor, I didn't know President Obama was a Shinto practitioner.

                              Col. Sanders:
                              Explain how the bow is not trivial because of a drop in poll numbers.What's the connection? How do polls determine the importance a separate, isolated event, a person bowing? If Obama's polls were on the rise, would he be bowing at an acceptable angle? Do you see how nutty that is?

                              Commonman:
                              The bow taken in isolation would not have been news. The bow in connection with a whole series of events, such as indecision on Afghanistan, Decision to try Terrorists in NYC,
                              and speeches apologizing for the United States, is emblematic of the President's perspective and is used in most of the coverage as a metaphor.

                              Col. Sanders:
                              Our economy is in pretty bad shape. I don't know where you think I said otherwise.

                              Commonman:
                              We agree here. Wish I could see more of what the President is doing about it.

                              Col. Sanders:
                              What does CNN fact-checking a spoof have to do with you singling out their spoofs of Obama as proof that he's a failed president?

                              commonman:
                              MSM takes this SNL skit seriously enough to feel it necessary to fact check it. Did they take the others that way? Newest skit Chinese premier asks? Have you created any new jobs?
                              Obama answer: Uhhhh......no.

                              Col. Sanders:
                              Throwing up on a foreign leader is, indeed, involuntary. It's also pretty good fodder for jokes. Bowing to a foreign leader is perfectly normal. It's as hilarious as saying hello or asking somebody to please pass the salt. Until you can admit that your obsession with the bow is a phony act, it's hard to take you seriously.

                              commonman:
                              Look, you guys brought up the bow in the first place. The purpose of MM is too bring up the terrible things the media does to the left. If the bow was trivial you should leave it be. The fact that it was apparently of note means it bothers liberals. Why?

                              Col. Sanders:
                              I didn't ask for quotes, facts or figures from you. Just some common sense.

                              Col. Sanders from an earlier post:
                              You don't provide anything to back up your "much larger ailment" or "failed presidency" (pretty ridiculous in itself, less than a year into a 4 year term).

                              Col. Sanders:
                              If there's anything in my post that you think needs backup, let me know.

                              commonman:
                              I'll be sure to do that.

                              Col. Sanders:
                              Otherwise, this is pretty boring, due to all of your shifting positions and pretending to connect unrelated events.

                              commonman:
                              Maybe you just don't want to see any connection.
                              If it is all so boring you can always stop replying.
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                  • Author by louee (November 25, 2009 12:10 pm ET)
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                    What are we supposed to do when you dopes keep posting such ridiculous crap? Respect it? Give it credence? We cannot pretend to be stupid.
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      • Author by venturieffect (November 23, 2009 7:08 pm ET)
           
        They were too busy talking about his drug use I'd imagine.
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      • Author by tinka (November 24, 2009 1:31 pm ET)
           
        Because Obama it truthful....Palin is a lying sack of crap!
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    • Author by cbtclips (November 24, 2009 1:11 am ET)
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      *sigh*

      It must be frustrating to be so infatuated with Palin...I'm talking to those of you on the Left. Otherwise you'd just ignore her.

      As for the poll that "a majority approve" doesn't make it the right thing to do. Hell, a majority of people in the US don't know any customs or honors outside their own culture.
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 24, 2009 5:39 pm ET)
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        It must be frustrating to be so infatuated with Palin...I'm talking to those of you on the Left. Otherwise you'd just ignore her.


        Maybe you don't understand this. One of the two major political parties of our country nominated the most embarrassing, unqualified candidates of most of our lifetimes as their VP pick. Fortunately, she derailed the GOP's chances in '08.

        She's got a little cult of celebrity going on, and the media is spending a lot of time watching it. The least we can do is get a few laughs out of it, and mention that the media is ignoring more important things to focus on this circus.

        I know it would be more comfortable for you if others ignored your Messiah, but you put her out there. We're gonna laugh.
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      • Author by louee (November 25, 2009 12:17 pm ET)
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        It must be frustrating for you on the Right to have an intelligent black man serving as president of the United States instead of the obviously intellectually deficient W. Your argument is that it doesn't matter what the appropriate custom in reference to bowing might be? That is typical republican claptrap: ingnore rationality and cling to the most specious criticism because there is nothing else to support your outright Obama hatred. Luckily the country is turning away from your stupid and hateful philosophy. You will find yourself increasingly isolated from the ongoing political conversation because of the total banality of your leaders. I implore you to become a true citizen of this country and stop being manipulated by that mass of hatred referred to as the Republican Party.
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    • Author by emma quigley (November 24, 2009 6:40 am ET)
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      Sadly, you don't get it. People are tired of the liberal media and seek honesty - not spin, wishful thinking or manipulation. Hate to break the news to you, but when O'Reilly speaks, people listen. His ratings speak for themselves. The book sales speak for themselves. The gatherings of regular, hard working American people who want to keep their hard earned money to themselves speak for themselves. Americans have had enough with the liberalism, corruption, disgraceful conduct and misuse of power. We want a country we can be proud of again and we're not going to be intimidated through your blame, accusations, name calling, condescension any more. We're tired of your whining and complaining and "what's in it for me" mentality.
      www.csa-1776.org
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 24, 2009 5:46 pm ET)
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        On a great night , what does BilldO get tuning into his show? 1% of Americans?

        Many conservative books are bought in bulk by GOP organizations to boost sales numbers. It's a PR /marketing trick.

        American people who want to keep their hard earned money

        We're tired of your..."what's in it for me" mentality.

        Your comments speak for themselves.The majority of hard-working Americans have had their taxes lowered under the current administration (vs. Bush or McCain's proposed plan), but you've still been suckered into thinking you're having more taken.

        And your punch line is that your main motivation is how many dollars you can keep in your claws, in the same paragraph that you accuse others of selfishness.

        Keep up the good work.



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      • Author by louee (November 25, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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        I don't know where you get off thinking you conservative bozos have any corner on us regular, hard working Americans. I'll tell you what we've had enough of: the lying, cheating, stealing know-nothing Republican Party. I'm tired of YOUR whining and complaining, and if there's anybody who's more concerned about "what's in it for me" than a stinking Republican whose sole concern is whether he (or she) has to pay taxes to run the country that they claim to love, I don't know who it might be. Turn the Republicans over; they're done.
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    • Author by skippersmom (November 24, 2009 8:16 am ET)
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      When was the last time anyone ASKED the public what they wanted to them to cover? What I fear is that, although we don't want to watch it or see it covered morning til night, we seem to watch it and accept it.

      Personally, many of us are getting tired of sending emails to MSNBC and the like, but obviously they aren't getting 5,000 emails a day objecting to their coverage. (well they probably are, but those would be the organized right who constantly lament their mistreatment when they are getting all the goodies)

      It would appear there is no obvious means of getting this sort of coverage changed as none of us are actually willing to turn off the TV or refuse to click on the 1000th Palin story on Huffington.
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    • Author by RightWingPsycho (November 25, 2009 10:46 am ET)
         
      Palin who manufactured the universally debunked "death panel" smear this summer.

      Maybe in your liberal media universe, but not in mine. Just because 40 liberal news organizations say something is so, does not mean what they say is true.

      BTW - Sarah's favorable rating is at 47%, not 23. Harry Reid is at 25% and Pelosi is at 33%. Another point - 59% of GOP voters say Sarah shares their values. I'm sorry if these truths are inconvenient. :)
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (November 26, 2009 1:41 am ET)
           
        So where do your sources say the death panels came from?
        40 liberal news organizations? Sounds inpressive, name ten.
        The precentage of people willing to admit that they are republican was 20% last I heard. 59% percent of 20% is not impressive.
        By all means, if she's willing to run as a Republican, and not the Teabagger Party, make up a NeoCon wet dream ticket and run it for 2012.
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    • Author by carlileb5935 (November 25, 2009 11:53 pm ET)
         
      The sad truth is that the press is still way too impressed with the right-wing shouts and still capitulates to them

      And that's because.... they are bought and paid for corporate shills.
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