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Media Matters: On Afghanistan, Fox News decides, then reports

December 04, 2009 7:49 pm ET

President Obama never had a chance ...

It didn't matter what decision he came to regarding troop levels in Afghanistan, or what he said about the ongoing conflict there, because Fox News and the rest of the conservative media had already reached two conclusions. First, he took too long. Second, he was wrong.

Since the Bush administration stuck him with the untended-to mess in Afghanistan, Obama had to make a choice -- more troops, fewer troops, withdrawal. When Obama signaled that he actually wanted to consider his options before making a decision, the Fox News followed the lead of Dick Cheney -- one of the primary authors of the Afghanistan debacle -- in accusing the president of "dithering" and "inaction." Glenn Beck, never one to be subtle or reasonable, accused the president of "letting our troops literally bleed and die" and said Obama would "pay for it" in the hereafter.

Of course, Cheney's idea of "dithering" is another man's idea of a "substantive discussion" that came as part of a "good" process. That other man just so happens to be Gen. David Petraeus, who was asked by MSNBC's Joe Scarborough on December 2 if Obama had been "dithering" as Cheney alleged. Petraeus responded: "This process was actually quite good, Joe. It was a very substantive discussion. Everybody's assumptions and views were tested. I think out of this have come sharpened objectives, a very good understanding of the challenges and the difficulties and what must be done in a much more detailed and nuanced fashion."

But the big moment finally arrived, and Obama made his decision -- 30,000 more troops, with a set time limit of July 2011. The decision was announced during a prime-time speech to the nation on December 1. Before the teleprompters had even cooled down, Fox News got right to the mischief. Bill O'Reilly chastised the president for not "saying, 'Look, these are bad guys. We're fighting evil.' " While it's true that Obama didn't use those exact words, he did use some that sounded awfully similar, like when he called Al Qaeda "extremists who have distorted and defiled Islam ... to justify the slaughter of innocents," and when he called the Taliban "a ruthless, repressive, and radical movement."

Other Fox News personalities got in on the fun -- the crew of Fox & Friends complained that Obama never said the word "win" during the speech, even though he spoke several times about the "successful" conclusion to the war. And when they weren't complaining about things that Obama didn't (but really did) say, conservatives were complaining that it wasn't the best speech the world had ever seen. O'Reilly said it was "not exactly the Gettysburg Address." Sean Hannity said: "I didn't hear Winston Churchill, I didn't hear Ronald Reagan, I didn't hear George Bush." Charles Krauthammer was hoping to get his Shakespeare fix, lamenting that it wasn't "exactly the kind of speech that you would have heard from Henry V."

And speaking of history, conservatives took the occasion of Obama's speech to do a little rewriting of the historical record. Former Bush adviser Karl Rove said Obama was "in no position whatsoever to criticize what President Bush did" in Afghanistan because "at the time, he didn't speak out on this." Rove must've been too busy ignoring subpoenas to have noticed the many, many, many times that Obama spoke out against the Bush administration's Afghanistan policy. And then there was Hannity, who disregarded the many thousand troops Obama sent to Afghanistan earlier this year in claiming that the president has "had a "less-than-consistent stance on the issue of Afghanistan."

The bottom line is that for conservatives, there are plenty of substantive ways to disagree with Obama's policy prescriptions. He's a Democrat, he's going to propose policies that fall on the left side of the spectrum, and conservatives can and should bring to the table what facts they can in making their counter-arguments. But judging by their treatment of Obama's Afghanistan policy, Fox News isn't interested in that. They're simply going to reflexively gainsay anything Obama does. That's why you get superficial, ludicrous, and transparently false claims like these -- the point isn't to be right; the point is to say the other guy is wrong.

Other major stories this week

Snapping the "Climategate" shut

It's no secret that the American right has had a contentious relationship with science. They've made clear that they don't really care all that much for practical science (embryonic stem cell research, for example), but also have a soft spot for anti-science (creationism) and anti-science dressed up to look like science (intelligent design). When forced to choose between scientific fact and ideological purity, they'll more often than not show anyone wearing a lab coat to the door.

And in that great conflict between science and ideology, there is no greater battle than climate change, and the weight of scientific evidence stacked against the right has put it into a precarious position, forcing it to engage in asymmetrical warfare. Take, for example, the email messages illegally hacked from the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia that, according to the right-wing commentariat, are prima facie evidence that climate change is nothing more than an elaborate hoax perpetrated over many generations by legions of scientists who want to undermine capitalism across the globe.

Or something like that.

Here's what it comes down to -- much of what the right is saying about those emails is wildly out of context, an outrageous distortion, or just plain false. But let's assume, just for one moment, that these emails actually do say everything that the right claims. If that were the case, then the emails would be a damning indictment of the scientists whose names appear on them. What they would not be, however, is compelling evidence that the entirety of climate change science is "unproven" or a "hoax," as conservatives are claiming. They've put themselves in the laughably silly position of claiming that a few private messages between scientists outweigh the glut of scientific data accumulated over the decades, the volumes upon volumes of peer-reviewed publications on the topic, and the findings of thousands of scientists working with several independent scientific bodies.

To use a subject-appropriate metaphor, it's as if they pulled a pebble from a glacier and held it up as proof that the glacier weren't made of ice.

This week's media columns

This week's media columns from the Media Matters senior fellows: Eric Boehlert looks at how the press views Obama hatred as "populism," and Jamison Foser documents the conservative media's increasingly lame attacks.

Greg Lewis notes the braggadocio on display in The Friday Rush, a review of Limbaugh's radio shows over the past week.

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    • Author by Jollymon (December 04, 2009 8:07 pm ET)
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      All anybody needs to know about the war in Afghanistan is summed up quite well by the Matthew Hoh resignation letter. I can't stress enough that everyone should read it. It's a shame because it seems like Obama never read it before his decision.

      http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13944018/Matthew-Hoh-Resignation-Letter

      Makes me proud a fellow Teufelhunden could write something so powerful, so well-researched and so eloquent.
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      • Author by Commonman (December 05, 2009 3:07 am ET)
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        President Obama is too busy trying to find a way to make independents and liberals happy at the same time. If he hadn't run as a centrist and then started governing as a liberal he wouldn't have the current dilemna...oh wait...He wouldn't have been elected if he had run as a liberal. Never mind. Wait, maybe he should have tried governing as the centrist he said he was. Maybe hope and change would have stuck.
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        • Author by Jollymon (December 05, 2009 8:43 am ET)
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          Hmmmmm, interesting you are saying he is governing as a liberal when his Tuesday Afghanistan speech sounded a lot like lil' Bush. Only with less mispronunciations. And both the right AND left attacked him on his strategy after the speech. Of course the right attacks Obama no matter what he does, even when following in Bush's footsteps when it comes to war.
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          • Author by Commonman (December 05, 2009 3:12 pm ET)
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            He was trapped by his own campaign promises. That bad bad Bush had fought the wrong war, in Iraq. Now we have to fight the right war in Afghaistantan, candidate Obama said. The left gave him a pass on that in the campaign, expecting that once he got elected he could safely ignore that one. Now they are angry that he is sending troops, but he had to placate them by giving a withdrawal date. which alienates the centrist independents who believed his Afghanistan rhetoric in the campaign.

            Cap and Trade, Health Reform, are draconian liberal measures, even in the current compromised versions, worthy of the best of Statists.
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            • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 06, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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              Cap and Trade, Health Reform, are draconian liberal measures, even in the current compromised versions, worthy of the best of Statists.

              Anyone want to bet that Commonidiot here can't even define statism?...
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              • Author by Commonman (December 06, 2009 3:06 pm ET)
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                Dear FTLOE,

                Anyone who spends time talking about politics and the philosphies thereof should know that Folks who believe in a highly centralized government, trending towards ownership of industry by the state, is Statism.

                Cap and Trade, Helath Reform and Stimulus II are all moving us in a statist direction.

                You really could make your points without the verbal sniping, by the way but I suppose that's how you get the few jollys allowed you each day.
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                • Author by Jollymon (December 06, 2009 4:41 pm ET)
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                  Commonman,

                  I find it interesting you have strong opinions on how Obama ran for office, and how he is governing currently, yet you have provided no facts, proof or evidence other than an OPINION piece in the WSJ.

                  Tell you what, I will provide some FACTS for you and you can use those to determine what Obama ran on, promised during the campaign and what he has done with those promises, liberal, centrist, right or otherwise. Then maybe you will stop complaining and contradicting your opinions ("If he hadn't run as a centrist and then started governing as a liberal..." then you say, "Now we have to fight the right war in Afghaistantan, candidate Obama said. The left gave him a pass on that in the campaign...Now they [the left] are angry that he is sending troops.") So I guess that isn't governing as a liberal is it?

                  And you also said, "He created the mess by his campaign rhetoric about Afghanistan." Well, so far he has kept his campaign promises on Afghanistan, so what is your complaint about?

                  Anyway, here is the link...learn something instead of complaining and generalizing without anything to back it up:

                  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

                  -psst! You might want to look up his specific promises about Afghanistan, he has kept them or is currently working on them.
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                  • Author by Hello... HELLO... Is there anybody out there? (December 06, 2009 7:15 pm ET)
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                    Proof, all the proff you'll ever need is living in the whaite house... obama himself.
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          • Author by Commonman (December 05, 2009 3:31 pm ET)
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            The key is to actually have principles, choose which side you support and expent to have opposition on the other side. President Obama tried to split the middle on this one, and no one is happy. Bad statesmanship an dworse politics.
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            • Author by foghornleghorn (December 05, 2009 4:21 pm ET)
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              President Obama tried to split the middle on this one,

              I'm confused. I thought Obama was the most liberal politician in the history of liberal politicians.
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              • Author by Commonman (December 05, 2009 7:20 pm ET)
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                Did I say that? I said that he ran to the right of where he is governing.
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                • Author by magnolialover (December 05, 2009 7:48 pm ET)
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                  You said that he's governing as a liberal, let me let you in on a little secret. He's not. Not even close really.
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                  • Author by Commonman (December 06, 2009 1:05 am ET)
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                    Well, we are all so relieved to hear you say that. However, if that is the case, then we are even more worried, because if he ever does actually govern as a "liberal" we are in serious trouble.

                    This just illustrates why he having such difficulties. The folks on the left think he is not liberal enough. The independents think he further left than he campaigned and the conservatives are absolutely convinced that he is liberal. As I am sure you are aware they are already really motivated. If he moves further left to energize the base he will increasingly alienate the rest of the country and increase the energy on the right.

                    So as far as I am concerned, he can move toward the center and help the country and alienate the liberal base and maybe even save the Democratic majority and get re-elected, or he can continue in the direction he is headed and we can change parties in the majority. Either way is fine with me.
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                    • Author by foghornleghorn (December 07, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
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                      the conservatives are absolutely convinced that he is liberal.

                      Let me clue you in to why that is. The nutjobs have moved SO far to the right, that governing in the middle now has the APPEARANCE of being liberal.
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            • Author by Jollymon (December 05, 2009 4:26 pm ET)
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              Commonman,

              You make it sound like there is an easy answer and simple solution to the problems. If so, what was his right choice? Did you even read the Matthew Hoh letter? Afghanistan has no clear cut resolution. Do people even think the Afghan people WANT a democratic government in our western style? What will constitute "success" in Afghanistan? No matter what choice Obama made, sending 30,00, 50,000, or no more troops, or pulling them all, or whatever, would have drew criticism from people because of politics, not what is right or the best course of action for our country and service members.

              Did you even notice there is hardly any talk about how we will pay for the ongoing war? But bring up healthcare reform and people lose their minds over the cost. What has taken more lives in the last eight years? Terrorism or heart disease? What has killed more Americans since 2001? Al-Qaeda or cancer? People are arguing over the wrong things, but because of politics its taking the focus away from what is really important.

              If a Republican was in power now their choices would be just as unpopular, except on Fox "News." Politics, especially the politicians, are what is causing all the problems. We need better, more educated and truly centrist people in office, unfortunately, that wont happen anytime soon.
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              • Author by Commonman (December 05, 2009 7:24 pm ET)
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                I didn't say the choices were easy. That's why we elect a president. But this president didn't make his choices any easier by using the Afghanistan War to attack Bush for making the wrong decision about Iraq. Candidate Obama did promise to go full bore in Afghanistan. Now he must make good on the promise or risk alienating the middle, or pulling out to make his base happy. He tried to make both sides happy with his speech. It obviously didn't work.
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (December 05, 2009 8:23 pm ET)
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                  He tried to make both sides happy with his speech

                  Uh, no. He's trying to make the best out of the mess he was handed in Afghanistan. He's not trying to make anybody happy, because nobody is happy.
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                  • Author by Commonman (December 06, 2009 12:30 am ET)
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                    Well, you definitely got the "nobody is happy" part right. He created the mess by his campaign rhetoric about Afghanistan. It was the "right" war Iraq was the "wrong" War. Always interesting how it looks so easy from the outside looking in and so tough from the inside looking out.
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                    • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 06, 2009 12:36 pm ET)
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                      Apparently you forgot that we went into Afghanistan because the Taliban were al-Quaida's and Osama bin Laden's (9/11/2001, you do remember that, don't you?) genial hosts while they planned their attacks on us. Then Bush/Cheney proceeded to let bin Laden get away so they could use him as a boogeyman whenever they wanted to ratchet up terror-alert levels and shred a few articles of the Constitution, and followed that up by starting a war against a nation that had literally nothing to do with 9/11/01. The fact that Bush bollixed up the hunt for bin Laden (whom he never really wanted anyhow) wasn't Obama's fault...
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                      • Author by Commonman (December 06, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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                        If Candidate Obama had wanted to repudiate the entire concept of the war he was free to do so during the campaign. He knew that it wouldn't fly, so he made Afghanistan the "good" part of the war that Bush muffed (as do you). I'm so sorry for y'all that it didn't work quite the way you wanted it to.
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                        • Author by Jollymon (December 06, 2009 10:46 pm ET)
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                          I love how you casually say Bush "muffed" the war in Iraq. You do realize over 4,000 Americans have lost their lives and more than 30,000 have been wounded in Iraq, a war we went into based on lies. That is a pretty ignorant and callous statement to make.

                          You muff catching a ball. You muff when you stumble with your words when talking. Leading thousands of American service members to their deaths based on lies is not something Bush "muffed" on.
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                • Author by my4cents (December 05, 2009 9:55 pm ET)
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                  he is going full bore on afg.
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        • Author by raddave43 (December 05, 2009 10:05 am ET)
             
          I think you are mistaken. Obama ran as a liberal and is governing as a centrist.
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        • Author by achrispage6992 (December 05, 2009 11:11 am ET)
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          Are you The referring to the Barack Obama who was vilified daily during the campaign as dangerously liberal, socialist, marxist, communist. etc., etc.?

          God almighty man! If you believe those on the right; there has never been a person more left than Obama in national politics anf furthermore never a more "liberal" campaign of ideology. Obama ran on a progressive agenda. He campaigned on a public option, he campaigned on ending the Iraq war, closing Gitmo, raising taxes on the wealthy. If that is "centrist" to you than I fear you are right of Glenn Beck. Instead of parroting unfounded talking points, why don't you give a few specific policy examples, in which Obama has moved left in direct contradiction to a centrist campaign promise. Can you do that?
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          • Author by congero6189599 (December 05, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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            No he can't.
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          • Author by Commonman (December 05, 2009 3:20 pm ET)
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            Yep.

            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122628429302812557.html

            By SCOTT RASMUSSEN
            Nov. 10, 2008

            Barack Obama won the White House by campaigning against an unpopular incumbent in a time of economic anxiety and lingering foreign policy concerns. He offered voters an upbeat message, praised the nation as a land of opportunity, promised tax cuts to just about everyone, and overcame doubts about his experience with a strong performance in the presidential debates.

            Does this sound familiar? It should. Mr. Obama followed the approach that worked for Ronald Reagan. His victory confirmed that voters still embrace the guiding beliefs of the Reagan era.

            During Reagan's campaign, the nation suffered from high unemployment and high inflation. This time around, data from the Rasmussen Reports Daily Presidential Tracking Poll showed that Mr. Obama took command of the race during the 10 days following the collapse of Lehman Brothers -- when the Wall Street meltdown hit Main Street. Before that event John McCain was leading nationally by three percentage points. Ten days later Mr. Obama was up by five and never relinquished his lead.

            Mr. Obama's tax-cutting message played a key role in this period of economic anxiety. Tax cuts are well-received at such times: 55% of voters believe they are good for the economy. Only 19% disagree and see them as bad policy.

            Down the campaign homestretch, Mr. Obama's tax-cutting promise became his clearest policy position. Eventually he stole the tax issue from the Republicans. Heading into the election, 31% of voters thought that a President Obama would cut their taxes. Only 11% expected a tax cut from a McCain administration.

            The last Democratic candidate to win the tax issue was also the last Democratic president -- Bill Clinton. In fact, the candidate who most credibly promises the lowest level of taxes has won every presidential election in at least the last 40 years.

            But while Mr. Obama was promising to cut taxes, the Bush administration took the lead on a $700 billion, taxpayer-backed bailout bill -- with very little marketing finesse. Few Americans supported the bailout, and a majority of voters were more concerned that the government would do too much rather than too little. In terms of getting the economy going again, 58% said that more tax cuts would better stimulate the economy than new government spending.

            A Rasmussen survey conducted Oct. 2 found that 59% agreed with the sentiment expressed by Reagan in his first inaugural address: "Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." Just 28% disagreed with this sentiment. That survey also found that 44% of Obama voters agreed with Reagan's assessment (40% did not). And McCain voters overwhelmingly supported the Gipper.

            The real challenge for the new president will be attempting to govern with a message that resonates with most voters but divides his own party. Consider that 43% of voters view it as a positive to describe a candidate as being like Reagan, while just 26% consider it a negative. Being compared to Reagan rates higher among voters than being called "conservative," "moderate," "liberal" or "progressive." Except among Democrats, that is. Fifty-one percent of Democrats view that Reagan comparison as a negative. There's Mr. Obama's dilemma in a nutshell.

            Mr. Obama won the White House promising tax cuts, but he will be governing with a Democratic Congress bursting with desire for a more activist government. As he faces this challenge, he might remember the fate of another man who made taxes the central part of his campaign: the first President Bush, whose most memorable campaign line -- "Read my lips, no new taxes" -- was as central to his victory as Mr. Obama's promise to cut taxes for 95% of Americans. George H.W. Bush famously reneged on that promise. Voters rejected his bid for a second term.

            Mr. Obama ran like Reagan. Will he be able to govern that way, too?

            Commonman:
            This is the key to the falling poll numbers on the part of President Obama The voters by a plurality immediately after his election expected tax cuts from him. Now the plurality expect their taxes to go higher. (What else could they expect after the unprecedented deficit spending already accomplish in Stimulus II and proposed in Cap and Trade and Health Reform?)













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            • Author by RSJ (December 05, 2009 6:16 pm ET)
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              Thanks, Commonman, for the WSJ article, but I think most of us already knew Rupert Murdoch's opinion of President Obama.
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            • Author by jarossiter (December 06, 2009 8:01 am ET)
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              "The real challenge for the new president will be attempting to govern with a message that resonates with most voters but divides his own party"

              This is the problem with you righties. You believe it is more important to maintain party purity than it is to do what is right for the country. And in order to maintain your purity of thought, you talk out of both sides of your mouth.

              Tax cuts are the answer to everything, the deficits are too big.

              Afganistan is Obama's war now, why isn't it over yet.

              Keep the government out of health insurance, don't make any cuts to medicare.

              How come Obama hasn't kept his promise of bipartisanship, Republicans are the party of no.

              You expect everything to be free and easy, because for 8 years, as they stole the treasury, the Bush admin told you not to worry, they were doing everything that needed doing.

              There was no need for shared sacrifice. We don't need to pay for the war, it will pay for itself.

              We don't need to regulate the uber-capitalists, they will regulate themselves.

              For 8 years, this country was looted, lied to and allowed to crumble. You call Pres. Obama the messiah and then wonder why he hasn't fixed everything in 9 months. You ridicule him, because he talks to us like we're adults. He expects us to be able to pay attention for more than 2 minutes, he expects us to understand more than the sound bite.

              You guys distort history to support your truth. You guys distort words to support your truth. I can only assume you guys lie to yourselves to support your truth too, because otherwise it makes no sense to me.

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            • Author by RedRightHand (December 06, 2009 8:06 am ET)
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              Ummmm

              How does a one-year old opinion piece provide the requested information; specifically, what policies did he campaign on that he is now governing from the left of?

              None.

              In just about every issue he campaigned on, he has drifted to the middle-right in order to attempt to build compromise between the Republican "NO" brigade and the nearly non-coherent Democrats. It is his movement towards the middle-right that is the issue, not his governance from the left, because that is where "Hope and Change" have failed - he is drifting back to the mistakes of previous administrations.

              Please remember. At this point, the onus is on you to prove your arguments. So, again, please provide links to any policies that Obama campaigned on, and which he is now governing to the left of his campaign platform.
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              • Author by congero6189599 (December 06, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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                Please remember. At this point, the onus is on you to prove your arguments. So, again, please provide links to any policies that Obama campaigned on, and which he is now governing to the left of his campaign platform. ---RRH

                A 1 yr. old opinion piece,WTF!
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                • Author by congero6189599 (December 06, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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                  If it's not clear RRH I was agreeing with you excellent observation. :-)
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              • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 06, 2009 12:38 pm ET)
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                A Rupert Street Journal opinion piece by Scott Rasmussen. Yes, that's all the proof anyone (at least anyone who thinks Glenn Beck isn't a mentally-diseased troglodyte) would want. Sheesh...
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          • Author by Hello... HELLO... Is there anybody out there? (December 06, 2009 7:17 pm ET)
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            Umm, the talking points originate right here at MM...
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        • Author by bintx (December 07, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
             
          Seriously? Obama is running the government as a centrist, not a liberal and that's what's causing a lot of his polling problems right now . . . well, that and the incessant media distortion of the news. ALL the media.
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    • Author by dsnider2588 (December 05, 2009 10:11 am ET)
         
      When Obama makes a speech of high ideals and hopes, he is slammed by the right for being an empty orator, dishing out platitudes of no substance. Then, when he presents substantive facts and proposals in measured tones, he is excoriated by the right-wing claquers for not being a great orator like Winston Churchill or Abraham Lincoln. So it goes.
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    • Author by manofmystique (December 05, 2009 12:19 pm ET)
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      Who said Republicans/conservatives are not unified? They are united in spewing oppositional talking points, lying, misrepresentation and stupidity.
      The Republican Party should NEVER be trusted with power EVER again judging by their unprofessional, irresponsible behavior.
      They no longer care about their image, or how they are perceived (other than the fringe/nut-cases of their base) and intelligence and integrity in none existent today.
      Their version of diplomacy and rules of engagement is simply to criticize and attack Democrats and the President-elect on every front no matter how small or petty, all while ignoring the will of the American people at large (2008 Election).
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      • Author by Clouseau (December 06, 2009 12:31 am ET)
           
        The Republican party is the police, war and death party.
        What I don't understand is Obama's continued uninterrupted policy from the Bush era.
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      • Author by Commonman (December 06, 2009 1:10 am ET)
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        I think you better check the current polls. I believe that you and the Democratic party, in general, misread the election as a mandate to do things that the people didn't elect Barack Obama to do. (Refer to the Rasmussen article, Nov 10, 2008 directly above your post.)

        Sorry, oh "manofmymystique" your man blew it; your party as well.

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        • Author by manofmystique (December 06, 2009 11:05 am ET)
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          to commonman
          Hog-wash
          Current polls are a snap shot in time and polls during the Obama area cannot be trusted, just like Rasmussen can't be trusted.
          Obama is far from blowing it. Your problem is that you are following the talking points of a depleted Republican Party, who will do and say anything, and not paying attention to reality.
          On the campaign trail Obama said he would wind down the war in Iraq and increase troops in Afghanistan.
          He said he will reform Healthcare. Obama is on track to achieve both goals.
          In the meantime Republicans, an Obstructionist Party, are on the wrong side of every issue. They are more interested in protecting profits for Insurance companies then the health and welfare of the American people. You think that won't be lost on voters, especially if Obama is successful, come election time?
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        • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 06, 2009 12:45 pm ET)
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          See, here's the thing, MoM; when Bush wins by a razor-thin margin in 2004, that's a mandate to push the country as far right as he wants; if a Democrat wins by several states and percentage points in an electoral-college landslide, that's no mandate at all--especially if you belong to the side that got landslided...

          They're stupid enough to believe that the echoes of their own whining paranoia are the voice of the American people who resoundingly put Obama in office (note Rasmussen article above and the fact that Commonidiot had the cojones to post it as proof of his position), when the major reason for any decline in Obama's poll numbers is not because he's trying to do what he promised in the campaign, but that he's not trying hard enough to do what he promised in the campaign...
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          • Author by manofmystique (December 06, 2009 8:17 pm ET)
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            to "forthelove"

            I disagree with your assessment totally: "when the major reason for any decline in Obama's poll numbers is not because he's trying to do what he promised in the campaign, but that he's not trying hard enough to do what he promised in the campaign.."
            How can you say that when Republicans are standing in the way of EVERYTHING Obama is trying to do.
            The ONLY reason why Obama's poll numbers are in decline is that Republicans are using the media to manipulate the news (information and misinfomation).
            If Obama was left to do his job like Bush, his polls numbers would be fine. It is ok to be reasonably critical of a President, but what's happening now is totally ridiculous.
            Obama was clearly on his way to sign Healthcare reform into law when Republicans decided to delay the process. Why did they decide to delay the process?
            So they could scare people and wage a misinformation campaign about the Democrats' proposed Healthcare Bill. This is a fact and it all happens in the open.
            Do you not remember what Rep. Sen. DeMint said (and no Republican rejected?): It goes like this... Failing to past Healthcare "will be Obama's waterloo".
            To these republican idiots, it's more about denying Obama a victory than about helping the American people.
            That statement should anger ALL AMERICANS, including the media, because that shows a lack of concern for diplomacy (participant in the process).
            I would NEVER accept or respect such stupidity from someone I voted for, why should tax-payers?
            The welfare of the American people is irrelevant to the Republican Party as long as they want this President to fail.
            Instead of focusing on the President, who is merely trying to carry out his campaign promises, the media should be openly critical of politicians who neglect their duties and responsibilities because they were elected to serve, not act like a bunch of sore-losers.
            You know the politicians, the ones who attack and criticize everything the president does.
            The ones who say NO to everything the other Party proposes; the ones who make things up, obstruct, misrepresent, lie, undermine and name-calls.
            Certainly the media would never overlook OR ignore any unprofessional, unpatriotic, un-American and treasonous behavior by President Obama.
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      • Author by tuersm3856 (December 06, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
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        Sorry...gotta chime in when someone equates conservatives to Republicans. Republicans and NeoCons give conservatives a bad name.

        A true conservative believes in immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan, Iraq, and all our imperialist bases around the world (Germany, S. Korea, et al.).

        A true conservative believes Bush and his comrades should be tried for war crimes.

        Conservatism is an ideal that many people have more in common with than they realize. Republicans are a fascist mafia.
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        • Author by Unreality (December 06, 2009 3:26 pm ET)
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          Willam F Buckley, Jr died in 2008, but had been shoved aside long before Dubya was placed in office. I would describe Buckley as the last of the conservatives, someone who had principles, was not an ideologue, could find common ground with his opponents, and never seemed to be a shill on some billionaire's payroll.
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          • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 06, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
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            Very true. It used to be possible to be a conservative without being a teabagging right-wing fascist. I certainly didn't agree with the Buckleys, Goldwaters, Jack Kilpatricks, or (to a lesser extent) William Safires, but as tuersm points out, the current crop of right-wingers aren't true conservatives; they are, for the most part, "religious"-motivated reactionaries eager to take us back to the "good ol' days" when men were men, women were chattels, and blacks were 3/5ths of a human being. Hence the current apoplecty about an African-mixed race President...
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        • Author by bintx (December 07, 2009 2:55 pm ET)
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          Exactly.

          What is passing for conservatism right now is lunacy.
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      • Author by Hello... HELLO... Is there anybody out there? (December 06, 2009 7:19 pm ET)
           
        Relly sounds like left-wing nuts to me....
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    • Author by RSJ (December 05, 2009 6:37 pm ET)
         
      On Afghanistan and Obama's 'dithering,' it continues to astound me that our 'liberal' Big Media, when reporting on Cheney or other ex-Bushites criticisms of Obama, can't be bothered to point out how impeccably wrong they were in their Middle East policy. A few words would suffice, but the BM apparently can't spare the time.

      But there is a sliver of hope when even some right-wingers reach for the remote at the mention of Obama on Fox News since they already know that, whatever the president did, Murdoch's Propaganda Channel is knee-jerk against it. This is why the 18-to-34 demo is locked up by Olbermann, Maddow, Colbert and Jon Stewart -- not only are they more entertaining and humorous, but their opinions, albeit generally liberal, are not as completely calcified and predictable as they are at Fox News.

      I've read the average age of a regular Fox News viewer is now in the grave/banana peel range -- in 20 years, I wonder where Murdoch will find viewers for his tripe?
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    • Author by DaRocketMan (December 06, 2009 11:57 am ET)
         
      As far as the Global Warming issue is concerned, are there any amazing programmers in our midst? All we have to go by is some random guy claiming "data rape". If anybody out there can go through the code, perhaps somebody familiar with climate science, we could try to show how the code IS NOT the manipulation of data! Not that it would have any bearing on whether Global warming is a hoax, I mean, the column was completely correct; even if these scientists were shady, and covered their findings with what they wanted to see, that can't possible shadow all of the other scientists around the world who have come to their own conclusions based on the scientific method. The real issue is ignorance to the scientific process, or perhaps it's apathy...
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    • Author by HardJustice (December 06, 2009 1:08 pm ET)
         
      It's interesting to note that people - including at least one journalist from CNN - are starting to refer to Afghanistan as 'Obama's War.'

      Um, WHAT? Bush starts TWO wars that are executed with near-criminal incompetence, and the press is now hanging these albatrosses around Obama's neck? Talk about revisionist history...
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    • Author by Diosnomeama (December 06, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
         
      Here's the thing I find odd: That Robert Gates was on Face The Nation and he stated "There is no deadline", which would seem to contradict Mr. Obama's statement and Mr. Maloy's assertion in this article.
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    • Author by jenniferandrina5595 (December 06, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
         
      Although I am a big fan of Media Matters and I think monitoring Fox 'News' along with the other mainstream media is a vital service, why on earth is the big column on Afghanistan only about whether or not Fox misrepresented Obama's speech? The important media bias on Afghanistan is not about whether a bunch of Fox dimwits unjustly underestimate Obama's hawkishness but the actual larger ISSUES of why we are there and whether we even should be. I expect media watchdogs to be more insightful and to have a longer view in mind; to realize that the real lying is done by omission and by agreeing with overriding narratives, like 'the cause in Afghanistan is just', without question or attention to the opposite side.
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    • Author by Hello... HELLO... Is there anybody out there? (December 06, 2009 7:20 pm ET)
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      Obama is the second coming of jimmy carter - twins...
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    • Author by grmce (December 07, 2009 1:17 am ET)
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      There is a disturbing attitude amongst certain journalists that they must force politicians to use particular words. This is strongly reminiscent of the schoolyard bully asserting authority over other children.

      Regarding the stolen emails of climate scientists, it should be stated that stolen correspondence, like eavesdropped conversation, is massively liable to being misunderstood. If you are not a party to the conversation you have little chance of understanding what the actual participants mean - this is what criminal lawyers refer to as mens rea i.e. what's in the person's mind or motive.

      Mere written words without context have little meaning and should be treated with caution. To use them to make a case is grossly improper and contrary to the rules of evidence as I understand them.
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    • Author by SHSZack10 (December 07, 2009 9:51 am ET)
         
      I think one of the only, but main, problems with his speech is giving an exact date. All the Taliban has to do is wait. They just have to wait till July of 2011, and when we begin pulling troops out, they begin sending more of their radical brothers in.
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