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Auld Lang Syne: Farewell to another decade of "liberal media bias"

December 22, 2009 9:11 am ET

It might seem futile to try to select just two quotes from the previous decade and single them out as bookends to illustrate how the political press so often malfunctioned over the last 10 years. But if pressed, I know which duo I'd nominate in hopes of highlighting the absurdity behind the never-ending right-wing claim about supposed "liberal media bias."

Y'know, the same "liberal media" that over the previous decade unleashed its venom on Al Gore, morphed into George Bush's lapdog cheerleaders, and created unfair double standards for covering the new Democratic president, Barack Obama.

The first quote I'd nominate actually comes from very late 1999, but the implication was pure 2000 and the decade that followed. The passage appeared in a Time report about the unfolding Democratic primary battle and came just as the Beltway press was unveiling its unapologetic War on Gore, as The Daily Howler might put it.

The orgy of resentment that erupted toward Gore during the 2000 campaign season was likely unprecedented in American politics, as media elites did very little to hide their disdain for Gore. For years, they mocked him, bad-mouthed him, and made up nasty stories about him. (Hint: Inventing the Internet.) Acting as a conduit for the RNC, the press actively tried to delegitimize the Democratic Party nominee for president. And the chronically caustic and unfair press coverage cost Gore the election in the historically close 2000 campaign.

Which brings me to Quote of the Decade No. 1, courtesy Time's Eric Pooley and his New Hampshire primary dispatch: [emphasis added]:

[T]he 300 media types watching in the press room at Dartmouth were, to use the appropriate technical term, totally grossed out by it. Whenever Gore came on too strong, the room erupted in a collective jeer, like a gang of 15-year-old Heathers cutting down some hapless nerd.

If readers needed confirmation regarding the open contempt for Gore, blogger Mickey Kaus soon traveled to New Hampshire and announced the consensus among journalists: "They hate Gore. They really do think he's a liar. And a phony."

My second Quote of the Decade nominee arrived 110 months later and via NBC's Chuck Todd. It was uncorked inside the new Obama White House press room, on January 23, 2009. The topic on the table was the administration's proposed economic stimulus package and whether the White House, which was hoping for a bipartisan effort on the legislation, would be disappointed if the bill passed with little or no Republican support. And that's when Todd asked Robert Gibbs the following:

Would [the President] veto a bill if it didn't have Republican support?

That's right. Just days into the new presidency, Todd wanted to know if Obama would go ahead and take the unprecedented action of vetoing his own legislation designed to immediately jump-start the faltering economy because not enough members of the opposition party supported the stimulus bill.

If nothing else, Todd's absurd query highlighted the unheard-of double standard the press constructed for the new Democratic president. Namely, when addressing the issue of bipartisanship (i.e. "involving cooperation, agreement, and compromise between two major political parties") the press decided to hold only one of the political parties accountable: the Democrats. Bipartisanship was now something Democrats had to bring to fruition.

My bookend quotes capture how the "liberal" Beltway press corps changed the rules to cover Gore at the beginning of the decade and Obama at the end of it. And how did the same press corps spend the years between Gore and Obama? Lying down for Bush, of course. Having developed rabbit ears for the right-wing taunt of "liberal media bias," reporters, editors, producers, and pundits seemed determined during the Bush years to prove how un-liberal they really were. In the process, the press abandoned its traditional watchdog role and morphed instead into lapdogs.

Specifics? Almost too many to count. But who can forget the defining prime-time press conference Bush held in the East Room of the White House just weeks before the 2003 Iraq invasion began and how that press conference came to symbolize the media's lapdog approach? (Not to mention the media's monumental failure during the run-up to the Iraq invasion.)

Laying out the reasons for war, Bush that night mentioned Al Qaeda and the September 11 terrorist attacks 13 times, yet not a single journalist challenged that implied (and false) connection. And during the Q&A session, nobody bothered to ask Bush about the elusive Osama bin Laden, the terrorist mastermind whom Bush had vowed to capture. Follow-up questions were nonexistent, which only encouraged Bush to give answers to questions he was not asked.

And then it got really bad.

At one point while making his way through the press questioners, Bush awkwardly referred to a list of reporters whom he was instructed to call on. "This is ... scripted," he joked. The press laughed. But Bush meant it literally. Bush had been given a cheat sheet that instructed him not to call on reporters from some prominent outlets such as Time, Newsweek, USA Today, or The Washington Post. Yet even after Bush announced the event was "scripted," reporters, either embarrassed for Bush or embarrassed for themselves, continued to play the part of eager participants at a spontaneous news conference, shooting their hands up in the air in hopes of getting Bush's attention. For TV viewers it certainly looked like an actual press event.

More? Prior to the start of the news conference, White House handlers, in a highly unusual move, marched veteran reporters to their seats in the East Room, two by two, like schoolchildren being led onto the stage for the annual holiday pageant.

Bonus: Following the White House performance, MSNBC host Chris Matthews, in order to get a wide array of opinion, invited on a pro-war Republican senator (Saxby Chambliss, from Georgia), a pro-war former secretary of state (Lawrence Eagleburger), a pro-war retired Army general (Montgomery Meigs), a pro-war retired Air Force general (Buster Glosson), a pro-war Republican pollster (Frank Luntz), as well as, for the sake of balance, somebody who, 25 years earlier, once worked in Jimmy Carter's White House and who today often sides with Republicans (Pat Caddell).

Meanwhile, how did that ferociously liberal newspaper from heart of Manhattan deal with the run-up to war? "[A]ccording to half a dozen sources within the Times, [editor Howell] Raines wanted to prove once and for all that he wasn't editing the paper in a way that betrayed his liberal beliefs," wrote Seth Mnookin in his 2004 book Hard News. Mnookin quoted Doug Frantz, the former investigative editor of the Times, who recalled how "Howell Raines was eager to have articles that supported the war-mongering out of Washington. He discouraged pieces that were at odds with the administration's position on Iraq's supposed weapons of mass destruction and alleged links of Al Qaeda."

And that other supposedly ferociously liberal daily, The Washington Post, how did it cover the crucial months prior to the Iraq war? Basically, the paper couldn't stop publishing pro-war editorials -- 26 in all between September 2002 and February 2003. As for its columnists and contributors, it was like a neoconservative open casting call as the Post flooded its readers with an avalanche of war cheerleaders.

The pro-war march at times seemed to fog the paper's news judgment. In September 2002, Sen. Ted Kennedy made a passionate, provocative, and newsworthy speech raising all sorts of doubts about the war. It was a speech in which the liberal senator warned against virtually every major shortfall that eventually plagued the post-invasion operation. Yet the prophetic speech garnered just one sentence -- 36 words total -- of coverage from the Post, which in 2002 printed more than a thousand articles and columns, totaling perhaps 1 million words about Iraq. But the daily only set aside 36 words for Kennedy's antiwar cry. The Post was not alone. NBC's Nightly News devoted just 32 words to Kennedy's speech, compared to 31 words on ABC's World News Tonight, and 40 words on the CBS Evening News. And on the Sunday talk shows on the weekend immediately following Kennedy's timely address, the senator's name never came up on NBC's Meet the Press, CBS' Face the Nation, or ABC's This Week.

Not surprising. A survey conducted by the liberal media watchdog group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, which focused on the first two weeks of February 2003, found that of 393 people interviewed on-camera for network news reports about the war, just 17 percent of them expressed skepticism about the looming invasion. This at a time when polling showed that approximately 50 percent of Americans had doubts about the planned war. And according to figures from media analyst Andrew Tyndall, of the 414 Iraq stories broadcast on NBC, ABC, and CBS from September 2002 until February 2003, almost all the stories could be traced back to sources from the White House, the Pentagon, or the State Department. Just 8 percent of the television news reports were of independent origin.

Of course, GE-owned MSNBC was so spooked about employing an on-air liberal host who opposed Bush's ordered invasion that it reportedly fired the highly rated Phil Donahue in early 2003 after an internal memo pointed out the legendary talk show host presented "a difficult public face for NBC in a time of war."

Oh, and remember the Downing Street Memo, the secret top-level British government memorandum consisting of minutes from a July 23, 2002, meeting attended by Prime Minister Tony Blair and his closest advisers? The memo revealed their impression that the Bush administration, eight months before the start of the Iraq war in 2003, had already decided to invade and that Washington seemed more concerned with justifying a war than preventing one. The implications were obvious: that President Bush lied to the American people and Congress during the run-up to the war with Iraq when he insisted over and over again that war was his administration's last option. That Bush had decided to invade Iraq in July 2002. That Bush would justify the war with a WMD argument. That the intelligence to make that case was being "fixed around the policy." That the administration didn't much care what the United Nations thought. And that few war planners were concerned with the aftermath of the war.

But boy, the "liberal" media sure ran away from that messy story.

According to TVEyes, between early May 2005 and early June of that year, the story received approximately 20 mentions on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS combined. By contrast, during the same five-week period, the same outlets found time to mention more than 250 times the oddball controversy that erupted when a photograph showing Saddam Hussein in his underwear was leaked to the British press.

In the weeks after the Times of London published the Downing Street memo on May 1, 2005, White House spokesman Scott McClellan held 19 daily briefings and fielded approximately 940 questions from reporters. Exactly two of those queries were about the Downing Street memo and the White House's reported effort to fix prewar intelligence.

But wouldn't you know that the White House press corps' collective somnambulant streak was magically cured with the arrival of Democrat Barack Obama, as reporters and pundits magically awoke from their Rip Van Winkle-like slumber? In fact, even before Obama was sworn in, portions of the press corps were busy spreading the lie that Obama's extravagant inauguration cost $100 million more than George Bush's swearing-in.

False. The costs were nearly identical.

That same inauguration week, the White House press corps greeted the new Democratic team with catcalls. "Game On! Obama's Clash With The White House Press Corps," reported The Daily Beast. And under the headline "Obama press aide gets bashed in debut," The Washington Times' Joseph Curl reported:

Although President Obama swept into office pledging transparency and a new air of openness, the press hammered spokesman Robert Gibbs for nearly an hour over a slate of perceived secretive slights that have piled up quickly for the new administration. It wasn't pretty.

Curl reported there was much yelling and shouting from journalists inside the briefing room that day. One even "spat" a question at Gibbs. And yes, this is the same White House press corps that treated the early Bush administration with kid gloves eight years earlier. Washington Post reporter John Harris observed in 2001, "The truth is, this new president [Bush] has done things with relative impunity that would have been huge uproars if they had occurred under Clinton."

Yet in the same Bush-era piece, Harris went on to cheer, "[G]ood for Washington in giving a new president a break at the start."

Behold your liberal media. And what a decade in left-wing bias it was.

P.S. If I've got to squeeze in two more decade-defining "liberal media" quotes, I'd pick a Mark Halperin beauty from June 2006. Just five months before the Democrats' historic congressional victories, Halperin issued this CW warning to Democrats: "If I were them, I'd be scared to death about November's elections."

I'd also nominate this one from CBS' Dan Rather, from September 17, 2001:

George Bush is the president. He makes the decisions. And, you know, it's just one American, wherever he wants me to line up, just tell me where. And he'll make the call.

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    • Author by jflz201884 (December 22, 2009 9:55 am ET)
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      Evocative wrap-up, Eric. As the "Downing Street Memo" illustration shows, what didn't get covered was more scandalous than what got covered superficially or erroneously. A most eye-popping omission was Bush's waging of war with the national credit card. Borrowing the money for two wars and two occupations, coupled with cutting taxes, proved calamitous. Yet few news media this side of McClatchy would even mention it lest they be called unpatriotic. I doubt the same non-coverage standard will apply to Obama as he ramps up in Afghanistan without specifying method of payment. May candor prevail. The people deserve no less.

      Jerry Elsea


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      • Author by vwcat (December 22, 2009 10:21 am ET)
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        jflz, Not only did the press say zip about Bush's incredible spending spree on our credit card but, they have the gall to actually try and hang it on Obama.
        They keep alluding to the Obama spending and making it sound like the last 8 years of reckless spending was somehow Obama's doing.
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        • Author by jflz201884 (December 22, 2009 10:58 am ET)
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          Right. And not only that, congressional Republicans, abetted by Fox News, seem glad to have that (Bush-generated) debt to cite as reason we can't afford to move ahead with health care reform.
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          • Author by DellDolly (December 22, 2009 11:18 am ET)
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            You think it's accidental that they nearly bankrupted the nation, which has helped cripple Obama's efforts?

            It's not. It's a sinister plot, worse than any horror movie you've ever watched.
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            • Author by jeff191 (December 22, 2009 11:40 am ET)
                 
              wow you are the liberal Glenn Beck. if you really believe the Repubs bankrupted the country to screw over a later administrations chance to pass legislation, then how are you any different then Rush who claim the Democrats engineered the collapse to get their guy elected.conspiracy theories are fun, but the world does not work this way
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      • Author by mari2jj (December 22, 2009 11:45 pm ET)
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        Yes, amazing to hear Republicans now blab about the deficit when it was our own party's leader that was greatly responsible for the huge, huge deficit we have now. Amazing that my party has the nerve to discuss deficit spending with out a smirk on their faces. This big debt we now have and the horrid economy came gift wrapped from G. W. Bush and crowd.
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    • Author by walstib (December 22, 2009 9:58 am ET)
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      I just threw up a bit in my mouth.
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    • Author by vwcat (December 22, 2009 10:18 am ET)
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      another incredible gem from Eric. This should be a must read for all of the Washington insiders - the 'smart people' in 'the know'.
      Force it down them if must be.
      It's time for our spineless press to quit reacting to the republican spin machine like it's a pitbull enraged and tell them to bug off. they have a job to do and if the gop doesn't like then go whine to Faux news
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    • Author by DellDolly (December 22, 2009 11:15 am ET)
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      It's almost like the news media was being blackmailed by President Bush...oh yeah, they were. The Bush White House let many groups know that if they didn't kowtow to their demands, they'd lose access. Journalists, lobbyists, other Republicans, Democrats, etc.

      There never was any pervasive liberal media bias. It was all part of a carefully orchestrated script begun decades ago by people like Grover Norquist, and fostered by the likes of the despicable Karl Rove.

      And our nation has suffered as a result while those elite Republicans prospered. They were scum, and one can only hope that there's a just God who was aware of their selfishness.
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      • Author by sambo (December 23, 2009 6:38 pm ET)
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        It's almost like the news media was being blackmailed by
        President Bush...

        you've got that right,they babysat that unsophisticated clown
        for eight years, even, "right on" has got to know that
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    • Author by jeff191 (December 22, 2009 11:51 am ET)
         
      for decades the mainstream media has been bending over backwards to prove that they wont give in to the nonexistent liberal bias. back in the 70s you could argue that liberal ideas were more in vogue in news rooms, even then the big players like Cronkite etc. always prided themselves on impartiality. Now so many news figures blatantly display a right wing bias, and still intelligent newsmakers are afraid to challenge them because they will be smeared as liberal.Most newscasters of whatever medium have a few things in common.they are intelligent and they think about and interact with the world. Giving those qualities they are usually less likely to be terrified of Muslims or foreigners or homosexuals, or new ideas etc.this is what Fox and their friends count as liberal these days
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    • Author by southerngal (December 22, 2009 11:58 am ET)
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      Wow, this is the biggest whine-fest of poor-me Democrats that I have read in a long time. All laid out with a decade long of cherry picked quotes highlighting a press that is just downright mean to Democrats. Gore kicks it off with being the first Democratic poster child for victimhood and Obama closes the door behind him carrying the mantra of sniffle, sniffle look-how-they-treat-me-now, according to Boehlert.

      It's a veritable flurry of mistreatment, it's unthinkable how the Democrats managed to completely pound the Republicans in last year's election from coast to coast and now control by a healthy margin the legislative branch of our government.

      But we are supposed to join Boehlert's pity party and feel sorry for them anyway. Sorry, the Democrats problem is hardly a hostile press or a disrespectful media, it's their own inability to govern once elected. All their special interest groups with their hands out for payback is what always clogs the progress they promise at election time.

      The media, the mainstream media, has always been decidedly liberal, in their corner. To take a few quotes that hit Democrats hard and claim media bias is now against them is absurd. Nice try though, Eric.

      Kleenex in everyone's stocking this Christmas.
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      • Author by mk3872 (December 22, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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        Well, believe me, RO, noone here would ever dare to believe that YOU would be convinced of the conservative influence on the U.S. media.

        Once a Kool-aid drinker, always a Kool-aid drinker.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (December 22, 2009 12:36 pm ET)
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        Yea,I like the way you back up your allegations that the press is liberal with examples. Your the one whining and it's apparent you have nothing to offer but baseless attacks.
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        • Author by southerngal (December 22, 2009 12:40 pm ET)
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          If the media as a whole is so conservative, why is nearly all the misinformation and bias covered bits and pieces on this website from Fox News?
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          • Author by sjw (December 22, 2009 12:55 pm ET)
               
            On a sum total basis, mainstream media is mostly balanced - you can find bits and pieces of liberal/conservative bias. But to classify it emphatically left/right is just intellectually disingenious.

            As to Fox "News", this is a clear cut example of right wing bias - no if, ands, or buts about it. Hence, why they show up on MMFA frequently. And if it's not biased, then why is the majority of their listeners on the right? People tend to seek out information that validates their beliefs...

            Now, back to your claim - show me this so called "liberal bias". Remember, isolated stories/incidents are not sufficient to paint the whole MSM with a bias claim. If it's so obvious, then the proof should be easy to show.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 22, 2009 1:00 pm ET)
               
            It isn't. Open your eyes and ears. It's amazing what comes through, Tommy, when you remove the earplugs and blinders.
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          • Author by congero6189599 (December 22, 2009 1:18 pm ET)
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            I had no idea that MediaMatters was the only website covering conservative misinformation and bias in the press, maybe you should broaden your well researched response,but your premise is wrong actually as any causual glance through MediaMatters archives will show. But then again you aren't here to debate just to talk trash or you wouldn't have posted such obvious BS.
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            • Author by southerngal (December 22, 2009 1:22 pm ET)
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              Of course you aren't going to recognize the pathetic whine-fest that is this piece from Boehlert. Because as a liberal, it's second nature to you. Position yourself as victim and operate from that standpoint. Instead of shunning the pity party and empowering yourselves and your philosophy to rise above any adversity you face. The poor me thing is old from Democrats these days, considering the power they hold in our government.

              So forgive me if I don't feel sorry for you or your ideology or your party.
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          • Author by sleepy joe (December 22, 2009 1:38 pm ET)
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            The media as a whole is conservative, but Fox News is the only one with no journalistic integrity.
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          • Author by DellDolly (December 22, 2009 2:11 pm ET)
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            Saying the media as a whole doesn't have a liberal bias isn't the same as saying that "the media as a whole is so conservative".

            But nice try at a strawman argument to knock down.
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          • Author by overmars jr. (December 22, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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            Perhaps you should ask Fox "News" that question, eh? There are oodles and oodles and caboodles of noted misinformations on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, WaPo the joke, NYT and on and on and on.
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      • Author by sjw (December 22, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
           
        So, laying out what happened is whining? I guess that explains how, in conservative terms, when facts are presented that don't neatly align with your beliefs, that it is somehow a bias???

        There's a name for this psychological defense mechanism - "cognitive dissonance."

        You've made the accusation - now prove it! If you can't, then STFU as I'm sick of hearing how the news media, is in the liberal camp (or conservative camp). This lie has been perpetrated for so many years that people actually take it as gospel.
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      • Author by turtledoubledeuce5333 (December 22, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
           
        I love it. Boehlert completely smashes the often-repeated "liberal media bias" with plenty of examples of why that it BS, and you call it a "whine-fest". Really?

        Let me ask you a couple of things. Who has been the one's whining about a liberal media bias to begin with? You poor conservatives just can't catch a break from the liberal media, right? How is responding to a claim, with plenty of examples, that the media is not very friendly to liberals being a whiner? I'll tell you what it is, it's calling BS BS.

        The fact is, both sides whine. Liberals whine about 45 million American citizens not having health care while conservatives whine that it's socialist to do something about it. Liberals whine about the ever-crumbling infrastructure of this county while conservatives whine about billionaires having to pay more taxes. Liberals whine about keeping the church away from government while conservatives whine that someone is trying to steal their Christmas. And let's not forget that pleny of conservatives essentially denied that the country was in an economic collapse, that is, until Obama took office.

        Do everyone a favor. Keep your Kleenex, your side seems to need it more than anyone else. At least when liberals whine, it's about a real issue. When conservatives whine, it always seems to be about something not really that important.
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      • Author by MarkC (December 22, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
           
        You use elections as evidence of media bias or the lack thereof? Because given that both Republicans and Democrats are routinely elected to different offices, that means that no one could ever prove media bias. Not just a lazy attempt at propping up a discredited myth, but one that doesn't even make sense.

        What Boehlert has done is provide actual examples and links to the articles that substantiate them. Examples, as in proof. Not just of the media's choice of what to cover, but editorials, and reports about the attitudes of the reporters themselves.

        > To take a few quotes that hit Democrats hard and claim media bias
        > is now against them is absurd

        No, absurd is pretending to refute actual quotations without offering any evidence of your own.
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      • Author by Ruby (December 22, 2009 2:51 pm ET)
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        What makes you think the media is "decidedly liberal"? Where's your evidence to support that claim?

        Boehlert uses quotes and examples to back up his argument and you accuse him of "cherrypicking". I guess it's just better to make like you, and use no supporting evidence at all.
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      • Author by Ruby (December 22, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
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        Also...

        There are numerous examples of completely false rumors that were spread and promoted by the media about Al Gore (inventing the internet, love story) and even more about Obama (went to Muslim school, is a muslim, BFFs with terrorists, etc.)

        I'm racking my brain trying to think of one similar fake story about GW that made the rounds and received the kind of coverage from the MSM as those did. I can't think of a single one.
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        • Author by southerngal (December 22, 2009 3:09 pm ET)
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          You think because there are few outlandish and scurrilous rumors and lies out there about a liberal that means the media is biased against them? That is not what I am talking about. I am talking the tone, the demeanor, the focus of information on issues and stories that affect our lives, not stupid talk radio controversies like the ones you mention.

          Global warming, taxes, education, health care - all these issues are overwhelmingly reported from a liberal narrative, except on Fox and that is a given. Watch the news, read the newspapers and the liberal viewpoint is reported sympathetically and slanted their way. Of course you don't, or won't, believe me, but it is.

          So to cherry pick insults directed towards Democrats as proof of anything except disrespectful media attention goons is misplaced. Something this website can never get past because throwing them out there for comment is red meat to the readers here, even if it says nothing about media bias at all.
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          • Author by congero6189599 (December 22, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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            I'd like to see examples otherwise you're just blowing smoke and wasting time and full of @#$%!
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            • Author by southerngal (December 22, 2009 3:35 pm ET)
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              Fine, keep thinking that because Beck calls Obama a Marxist that that proves there is no liberal bias in the media.
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              • Author by foghornleghorn (December 22, 2009 4:15 pm ET)
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                Remember, Tommy, facts have a liberal bias. And reporters are in the business of being factual.

                Make a note of it.
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            • Author by congero6189599 (December 22, 2009 3:41 pm ET)
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              Until you can prove with examples of how the media has a liberal bias(you saying so does not make it so)you have no rebutal to the article which is why I suppose you keep ranting(like most conservatives)that the media has a liberal bias. We've heard that whine so many times and as the article points out,it just ain't so.
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              • Author by southerngal (December 22, 2009 3:45 pm ET)
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                Let me give you a more familiar analogy.

                Saying that because offensive remarks and rumors are thrown at Democratic politicians that proves a conservative media bias, is like saying that because there are record cold temps this week somewhere that disproves global warming.

                One has little to do with the other.
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                • Author by congero6189599 (December 22, 2009 4:16 pm ET)
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                  You like creating strawmen don't you? The article was arguing that the idea that the media has a liberal bias is a fantasy of the right and provided examples it was not arguing that there is a conservative media bias which is the straw man your throwing in. This article provided examples of where the media most certainly didn't lean left,I have yet to see your examples refuting that(which by the way is how you provide a rebutal). Instead you switch the argument to one that wasn't being made,nice try but your bait and switch is old and funky and ain't working here.
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              • Author by retiredinsf (December 22, 2009 4:56 pm ET)
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                Here is your proof. You will see just how much liberal bias exits in the MSM:

                http://www.mrc.org/public/default.aspx

                And there is no spin on this site.
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                • Author by overmars jr. (December 22, 2009 5:56 pm ET)
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                  No spin on MRC? What color crack are you on? It is full-on, no holds barred BS from the get. Sweet Moses, man. Next, you're gonna tell us water isn't wet.
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          • Author by juliajayne1 (December 22, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
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            MMFA doesn't exist to throw red meat to their readers. But I know you like that particular canard, and you like to diss the site. And you also relish in derailing threads.

            Pony up some examples of the media taking a liberal (bearing in mind there is an objective truth) view, and we'll all cheer your effort.

            Thanks in advance.
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          • Author by Ruby (December 22, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
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            "not stupid talk radio controversies"

            Those stories about Obama and Gore were not restricted to talk radio. They were covered, promoted, and spread by the mainstream media.

            reported from a liberal narrative

            What exactly do you mean by this? How do they report "from a liberal narrative", and where's an example of it?

            I feel like this idea that the media has a "liberal bias" has become so ingrained in people. They just accept it as fact. Usually when I challenge this claim of liberal bias in the media, I don't get any specific examples or explanation at all, just simply something like, "Are you kidding? Just turn on the TV or read a newspaper!" as if every television program or newspaper article is reeking of the liberal agenda.

            I don't see it.

            The "liberal media" is just a useful myth for conservatives.
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            • Author by jeffgilooly (December 22, 2009 9:49 pm ET)
                 
              Duh, a "liberal narrative" means "they don't transfer Limbaugh's words verbatim."

              To a right-winger, journalistic integrity means mixing in commentary and opinion. Why else would they pretend like Fox News is a legitimate news organization?
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          • Author by overmars jr. (December 22, 2009 5:53 pm ET)
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            Utter tripe. And again, people ask for some examples and you have none. There is no "liberal media" until you leave the majors. It is all corporate media in the bigs, backed by big money. Wake up.
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        • Author by DietrichDaniels (December 23, 2009 8:08 am ET)
             
          There was that fake rumor about Bush going AWOL. Oh wait, that actually happened....and ignored by the media.
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        • Author by retiredinsf (December 24, 2009 5:22 pm ET)
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          Ruby: "I'm racking my brain trying to think of one similar fake story about GW that made the rounds and received the kind of coverage from the MSM as those did. I can't think of a single one."

          You can not be serious. What about the phony National Guard BS Dan Rather and company made up? The idiot used font that did not exist at the time the memos were supposedly written. And they released the fraudulent memos just before the 2004 election when it would cause the most damage.

          Anyone who doesn't see how biased the MSM is against Republicans is truely foolish.

          BTW: The vast majority of 'reporters' are registered Demoncrats. This is a fact.
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          • Author by Ruby (December 24, 2009 7:18 pm ET)
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            Yeah, and Dan Rather was exposed and punished for what he did. I'd like to see some of the folks who pushed false stories about Gore and Obama dealth with the same way.

            Also, just because a reporter has opinions does not mean that he or she cannot perform their job properly, without injecting their own bias into their reporting.

            And furthermore, being a "democrat" does not make you a "liberal".
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          • Author by Brabantio (December 25, 2009 4:06 am ET)
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            Sorry, no:
            Knox: "I know that I didn't type them. However, the information in those is correct."
            Rather: "Containing the same or identical information?"
            Knox: "The same information, yes."
            So no, the story is not "fake" or "phony", as far as you can prove, and the very idea doesn't even make much sense. The memos as physical evidence are not the same thing by a long shot.

            There's also nothing to indicate that Rather forged anything himself, despite your suggestion. None of this was really earth-shattering material anyway. Bush's pathetic military record was known since he was running for Governor of Texas. He was a child of privilege, it's not really a point of contention that he got special treatment up and down the line. You don't just walk into a recruiter's office during a war and find open spots for pilots in the "champagne unit" of the TXANG, drop out of the program after a million dollars' worth of training (and avoid Vietnam), then supposedly spend the next two years at a military base where nobody ever saw you and still get an honorable discharge. Give me a damn break. Of course he was getting special consideration.

            Because this was such old news, it was hardly necessary to forge anything along these lines to hurt Bush. What it ended up doing was to help Bush, because it undermined the key contrast of military experience between Bush and Kerry (the dire need to minimize that gap was clear from the efforts of the SBVT as well).

            Here's what I want to know: How and why would Rather forge documents that happened to be accurate? If Rather had information to these ends, why not just present that information? It makes absolutely no sense. If there's someone providing testimony, then that's evidence anyway. If he had the original memos, then he could show them. So was he psychic, or what?

            The only way around that is to say that Knox was lying, therefore the memos weren't really accurate. But if that's the case, why would she go out of her way to say that the memos were fake at all? Why not say "I'm not sure if I typed this, but I remember that this happened"? Old age is a plausible excuse for not recognizing a difference in fonts, so there's no reason not to go that route.

            The most sensible explanation is that Knox was telling the truth. And that brings us back to the question of where Rather would have gotten the material from which to forge the memos. Anyone who genuinely wanted to hurt Bush could have given their own testimony or provided legitimate memos to those ends. Therefore, the source surely was not someone with that goal in mind.

            I know it's very late in this thread, so you probably won't see this by the time it closes. Maybe you can mull all this over and tell me your thoughts on a future thread, though.
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (December 22, 2009 4:14 pm ET)
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        The media, the mainstream media, has always been decidedly liberal, in their corner - rightON

        Got any proof to back up this whopper?

        Here's a tip to remember over the holidays - while most working members of the media lean to the left PERSONALLY, their employers, - you know, the ones that set editorial policy and decide what gets reported - definitely lean to the right.
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        • Author by avedon (December 22, 2009 11:46 pm ET)
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          "Here's a tip to remember over the holidays - while most working members of the media lean to the left PERSONALLY, their employers, - you know, the ones that set editorial policy and decide what gets reported - definitely lean to the right."

          Actually, they aren't particularly personally liberal, these days. How many of them, if asked, would say that they personally support a single-payer health care system, for example? How many do you think would acknowledge that Social Security is a successful program and that any reduction in it could only hurt the country? How many of them would even guess that Americans pay more per person in taxes than do the Canadians, the French, or even the Brits to maintain our respective health care systems? How many of them question the morality of taking tax money from hard-working Americans to for abstinance-only sex "education" that spreads deliberate falsehoods and confuses young people?

          We seem to be defining "liberal" as "someone who isn't a member of the Ku Klux Klan and doesn't hate gays enough to go out and beat them up." Because that's about as liberal as most of the reporters personally get.
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      • Author by mari2jj (December 22, 2009 11:51 pm ET)
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        Actually I am a Registered Republican and I agree that the Bush years were so disastrous that it will take us years and years to recover. He pushed two wars on our country's credit card, one of which was his dirty little war of choice in Iraq. Actually that is exactly why Republicans lost this last election. All this whine out of Republicans just is just a bunch of lies and well calculated to shift the blame from our own party.
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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (December 23, 2009 9:12 am ET)
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        right on is Right ON. E offers no empirical evidence to back up this claim:

        And the chronically caustic and unfair press coverage cost Gore the election in the historically close 2000 campaign.


        Gore lost because he was a bad candidate with tons of baggage from the deplorable clinton years and his time as a Senator chasing white rabbits (and rock stars) down holes. Just like what happened in '08 the country had fatigue from the party in charge. Gore stunk on the stump, lost the debates, and looked like the caricature of himself.

        How long is the left going to smart over 2000? Carry that one to the grave eh?

        Eric are we still pushing the debunked Downing Street memo? I mean, come on. Three paragraphs? I could see a little mention to throw red meat to the base, but to expound on the debunked memo?

        Am I going to have to issue a Tin Foil Hat Alert?
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        • Author by congero6189599 (December 23, 2009 1:00 pm ET)
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          The deplorable Clinton years? You mean the period that saw unprecedented economic growth and prosperity? WTF are you smoking? What was deplorable was the Republicans nasty attempt to overturn a legal election over fallatio in the whitehouse. OMG I know he lied and what will the children think cried the party of morality their hyprocrisy later to be revealed by resignations over pageboy scandals,widestance public restrooms arrest,acting out diaper wearing fantasies with D.C. prostitutes revelations,public bathroom surfing for sex arrest. Like KARMA those pointing the moral fingers at Clinton were exposed for the nasty selfish party above country hyprocrites they were/are! But the party of nasty has no conscious David "Diaper" Vitter still walks the halls of congress and enjoys his party's respect as does Newt "Adulturer" Gingrich who had the compassion(lack of)to serve his wife divorce papers(while carrying on an affair with his staffer)as she lay in her hospital bed recoverying from cancer surgury. He carried on this affair while bringing Clinton up for impeachment!!!

          Stealing elections(over 60,000 voters mostly minority were disenfranchised by being the denied the right to vote or have their ballots counted by being sriken off the voter rolls in Florida in 2000 by Katheleen Harris at the behest of Jeb Bush) and I'am not talking about hanging chads. Whats stealing an election to a party that is so arrogant it puts it's interest ahead of the nations,twisting and distorting truth until fact and fiction or indistingusihable from each other,sort of what your're doing now in your attempt to distort the past.
          The opinion piece you posted from Slate.com by Christopher H. written in 2005 in no way debunks the the Downing St. memoes. "YOU LIE!" Hahaha! You can't build a sturdy house on a weak foundation,neither can you develop a sound argument based on a lie. Maybe if YOU removed your tin foil hat you would see this. Here is some recent info for you:
          http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/22/iraq-invasion-no10-cover-up?
          Happy and safe holiday season to all!!! :-)
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (December 24, 2009 9:12 am ET)
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            OH cry me a river. Clinton had enough baggage to fill a C-5. If twelve percent of democrats hadn't voted for Pres. Bush in Fl, Gore would have won. If just one percent of these turncoats would have stuck with Gore, he would have won. Half of all registered democrats in the state of Fl. didn't even bother to vote. If the Goracle could have carried his home state TN (LOL), Gore would have won.

            If Gore was such a great candidate, as you assert, why did you throw him under the bus for the '04 elections?

            Until you dems come to terms with your own failings you'll never get over '00!

            Anger leads to fear...fear leads to hate...hate lead to the Dark Side! Release your hate!
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            • Author by congero6189599 (December 24, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
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              Oh put your head in the sand. What baggage are you referring to by Clinton? The Ken Starr report? How many millions and yrs. spent exploring every nook and crany of the Clintons but came up with only an sex scandal? Do you mean the manufactured noise machine scandals that were easily dismissed but showed the hyprocrisy (Clintons baggage was no different and alot less than those pointing the moral fingers at him as I have shown)demogogery and depth the cons would go to to overturn a legal election. Attack and destroy by deligitimizing. With Clinton it was sex-scandals with Obama is that he's not one of "us" ,doesn't understand "American" values (how could he since he wasn't born here) and apologizes too much. With Al Gore it was he was a serial liar and too intellectual and stiff. Mythical characterizations created by the cons passed around by their noise machines and scooped up by the media until fact and fiction becomes a point of view and crackpot viewpoints become points for discusion like: "Does the president hate white people, why is Al Gore a serial liar, Why is Bill Clinton lying about Foster's death?"
              Concerning the 2000 elections and Al Gore. I'll accept your numbers concerning that election if you accept mine. Fine. Now explain to me how you discount 60,000 mostly minority and heavily democratic voters being disenfranchised by not being able to cast a vote(illegally striken from the rolls)and/or not having their ballots counted(provisonal ballots)this is well documented by Gregg Palast and investigative reporter from the BBC(look it up)this would have most ceretainly given Florida to Al Gore and turned the election in his favor(despite losing Tenn.,and despite the figures you gave!?!).
              The shanigans of the Supreme Court,Katheleen Harris ,and Jeb Bush should be a major concern of anyone serious about maintaining the integrity of our electoral process,we the people were robbed by that election and it lead to the most disasterous period in American history outside the Great Depression that brought about WWII and the cold war. George Bush brought this country to its economic knees and marched us into the moral swamps. It was Dick Cheney that said we must embrace the "dark side", I suggest you apply your last sentence to the cons and yourself.
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            • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (December 24, 2009 7:45 pm ET)
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              tbone,if CLINTON had enough baggage to fill upa C5, then BUSH had enough for 10 of them.
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            • Author by Brabantio (December 25, 2009 4:14 am ET)
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              If the Goracle could have carried his home state TN (LOL), Gore would have won.
              And if a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump it's ass a-hoppin'. I know this is a news flash, but election theft isn't justified by the idea that the victim should have won votes in other states in order to nullify the theft. That's like saying that a horrible call that changes the winner of a football game doesn't matter because the losing team should have scored on a previous possession. Both sides play by the same rules, and whoever does better is the winner. Gore was robbed of thousands of votes through Harris's actions, and he was the rightful winner of Florida, and in turn the national election. No musing about better results in other states changes that one damn bit.
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          • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (December 24, 2009 7:48 pm ET)
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            congero.,you are 100% correct with that last post.
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        • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (December 24, 2009 7:43 pm ET)
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          tbone, the DOWNING STREET MEMO IS FACT,like it or not.It proves that BUSH only choice was invasion,nothing else.BUSH,CHENEY,ROVE and the rest of the NEOCON CHICKENHAWKS should be behind bars for this decision.
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      • Author by historygeek001 (December 23, 2009 1:45 pm ET)
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        Right on:

        You realize, of course, that when you claim that any particular MMfA article, which cites examples and provides links, is wrong while you simultaneously provide NO examples whatsoever of your own ludicrous claims that you, yourself, prove the weakness of your argument...
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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (December 24, 2009 7:18 pm ET)
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        What's the matter right on?Can't handle the truth about your REPUBLICAN heros?
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    • Author by sherifffruitfly1565 (December 22, 2009 1:47 pm ET)
         
      I'm second-to-none in my love of Heathers, but I'm thinking that very few people these days would catch the reference. What was that - like 20 years ago? What's the average age of people who tend to be on sites like this?

      /shrugs
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    • Author by steeve (December 22, 2009 6:40 pm ET)
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      "the chronically caustic and unfair press coverage cost Gore the election in the historically close 2000 campaign"

      This can't be stressed enough.

      Dozens of things decide an election that close, but the media is far and away #1. They actively campaigned against Gore every second of every day for well over a year. Any analysis of that election that doesn't begin and end with the media just lets them off the hook.
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    • Author by highlyunlikely (December 22, 2009 9:15 pm ET)
         
      can I get a (dis)honorable mention for Broder? my fave: nodding off during one of Gore's speeches.
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    • Author by DietrichDaniels (December 23, 2009 8:03 am ET)
         
      "Bush that night mentioned Al Qaeda and the September 11 terrorist attacks 13 times, yet not a single journalist challenged that implied (and false) connection."

      I think you meant to say "Iraq," not Al Qaeda. You might want to fix that....
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    • Author by mookie von zipper (December 24, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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      a classic example of liberal media bias, as the pew research center illustrates, is msnbc's fawning thrill-up-their-leg coverage of obama as compared to their coverage of mccain vs fox in last year's election:

      [http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l19/mookietxdj/misc%20debris/foxnews_msnbc.jpg]

      who is fair and balanced here?

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      • Author by nomodubya (December 24, 2009 6:33 pm ET)
           
        From TFA:

        "What we see in these findings, above all, are two phenomena. The first is the focus on tactics and strategy. The candidate who was perceived to be winning this year got better coverage. We have seen that pattern before. In 2000, our research saw George Bush receiving more positive coverage than Gore. In 2004, our studies of a narrower time frame saw Kerry enjoying better coverage, as polls perceived his closing the gap on Bush."

        The authors of the study conclude that the bias comes from who is winning, not their partisanship. I'd suggest reading the article instead of just looking at the pretty graphs next time.

        I'd also like to note that coverage during the campaign is hardly indicative of general coverage. I see the "liberal" news outlets openly agreeing with and also openly criticizing Obama constantly, and just about equally. Every time Fox news is on the only thing I see is a constant stream of negativity towards Obama and the administration, which then turns into outright lies, misinformation, and just plain making stuff up the farther you go into the evening. Also, as this article pointed out, the mainstream media gave Mr. Bush a complete pass for eight years, and has generally been playing the double standard to the new administration, going so far as to attribute the travesties that Bush foisted upon us to Obama.





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      • Author by Ruby (December 24, 2009 7:50 pm ET)
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        What does "positive" or "negative" or "neutral" coverage mean?

        How many stories about either candidate that were untrue were pushed by news sources during the election?
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        • Author by Brabantio (December 25, 2009 4:23 am ET)
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          The dishonest premise is that it's an even playing field to begin with, and therefore both candidates should get the same amount of "positive" and "negative" coverage. It's not. The performance of the candidates is entirely relevant. So if McCain were to pick some fringe, under-informed and utterly shallow candidate to be on his ticket, any report of backlash from that horrendously idiotic decision would qualify as "negative" coverage.
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      • Author by irondog (December 24, 2009 9:20 pm ET)
           
        Fox rules
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      • Author by TheSarge (December 25, 2009 5:54 am ET)
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        Attention "mookie von zipper":

        Pulling vaguely termed bar graphs out of you posterior and posting them on photobucket while claiming a conservative think-tank as your source does nothing to support your argument. Please go learn how to cite your sources.

        Not that your argument holds any water anyways. Doing an MSNBC vs. FOX comparisonn is like doing a Oil vs. Water comparison and then jumping up and down yelling: "See? There's an anti-water bias in Oil! Oil is unfair to water!" MSNBC exists to counter all the bull that Fox spews. That's what they do. It's their job. Get over it.

        For your next argument, I suggest you light yourself on fire so you can find out if the fire department has an anti-idiot bias.
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    • Author by irondog (December 24, 2009 7:00 pm ET)
         
      What Country and Media is he talking about?....this media who did nothing but call Bush stupid,...and second guess everything he did...As a Black man, Bush spent more money in Africa on AIDS than Bill did but Bill is called the great humanitarian...I am also so sick of white liberals throwing the word racist around when you are talking to other whites.....your all racists.They said Bush got bad grades in school,but he got better grades than Kerry, and Obama wont release his grades,whats that about?...why doesn't he release his school papers,.all his papers..clear it up,and stop saying the press isn't in the tank for him, it's white guilt.I am sure you will not post this,..you only care what rich white kids think.
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    • Author by HotWings (December 24, 2009 7:39 pm ET)
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      It's amazing that Media Matters is still trying to claim that there is no liberal media bias. Let's just take tv as one example of how liberals far outnumber conservatives. Conservatives have Fox News. Liberals have MSNBC, CNN, PBS, ABC, CBS, NBC, MTV, BET, and Comedy Central.



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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (December 24, 2009 7:53 pm ET)
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        hotwings, you have bee swallowing that RIGHT WING CR-P if you believe that statement.
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      • Author by Alexander Hamilton (December 25, 2009 1:51 am ET)
           
        sucks being the minority, doesn't it?
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      • Author by Brabantio (December 25, 2009 4:31 am ET)
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        When FOX has the same amount of liberal hosts as MSNBC has conservative hosts, treats as many liberal politicians with kid gloves as any network has for conservative lawmakers (on average), or promotes as much liberal misinformation as your first six entities have conservative misinformation (on average), then you might have a point. It's really difficult to take you seriously at all when you list MTV, BET and Comedy Central, though. Why don't we count the Outdoor Channel and the World Fishing Network on the conservative list, if that's the sort of standard you're going by?
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    • Author by uefa81glory (December 24, 2009 11:27 pm ET)
         
      I am absolutely a liberal but I supported both wars. In fact we should have ousted Saddam when he gassed his own people. I see the anti-war stance as the providence of right wing isolationists like Buchanan, not liberals.
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    • Author by OOzinEvil (December 25, 2009 12:43 am ET)
         
      Would the following be considered liberal leaning? MSNBC airs a cropped clip of a person with a rifle and pistol at a pro healthcare reform rally and make references to racial overtones. Unfortunately for them, the man was black. Oh well, crop the video and pretend he's white so the story sounds more severe.
      Let’s not forget how often networks other than FOX use the term "teabagger" to describe tea party participants/gatherings.
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    • Author by OOzinEvil (December 25, 2009 12:50 am ET)
         
      Would the following be considered liberal leaning? MSNBC plays a video of a man with a rifle and pistol at pro healthcare reform rally and make references to racial overtones. Unfortunately for them, the man was black. Oh well, crop the video and pretend he’s white so the story sounds more severe.
      Let’s not forget how often networks other than FOX use the term "teabagger" to describe tea party participants/gatherings.
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