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The incredible shallowness of the media's political analysis

January 21, 2010 5:26 pm ET

For a group of people who get paid to cover politics (and who regularly forgo serious policy coverage in favor of political analysis), reporters can be remarkably shallow -- inept, even -- in their assessments.

For example, we need only to look back at Mark Halperin's 2006 declaration that the Democrats should be "scared to death about November's elections" or The Note's insistence that Iraq looked like a "2006 political winner for the Republican Party" or Howard Fineman's late-2005 column arguing that the Democrats had reason to be gloomy because, unlike the GOP, they lacked "stars" (Mr. Fineman, meet Mr. Obama). Or ABC's Claire Shipman's credulous statement just weeks before the GOP's crushing defeat in the 2006 elections that "political Svengali" Karl Rove had presented "a compelling scenario" for the Republicans to hold onto Congress.

And who could forget Chuck Todd's 2006 prediction that "if Democrats get control of Congress, President Bush's approval rating will be over 50 percent by the Fourth of July next year"? In fact, Bush's approval rating was barely over 30 percent by July of 2007.

You may have noticed a pattern in these examples: The media's fundamental belief that America is a center-right nation leads them to overestimate the political peril for progressives and progressive policies.

So it should come as no surprise that much of the media analysis following Massachusetts Republican Scott Brown's victory in Tuesday night's special election to fill Ted Kennedy's Senate seat has amounted to little more than a one-sided effort to see how many different ways one can say that progressives shouldn't pursue progressive policies.

At the most basic level, there was the immediate -- and often ham-handed -- attempt to insist that Tuesday's election was a repudiation of health care reform.

Now, there are some glaring problems with that assertion. Like a Rasmussen Reports election-night poll that found that people who voted for Democratic candidate Martha Coakley were more likely than those who voted for Brown to say that health care was the most important issue to them. And the fact that Massachusetts already has universal health care. And the fact that Brown himself said the election was not a referendum on health care. And the fact that Brown said in his ads: "I believe all Americans deserve health care coverage."

Still, many journalists were deeply committed to the idea that Massachusetts voters (suddenly, according to the punditocracy, speaking on behalf of America) had rejected health care reform, and they went about trying to find evidence -- any evidence -- to fit that conclusion. The biggest reach may have come on MSNBC yesterday morning, where anchor Savannah Guthrie seemed to think the fact that Brown signed his autograph with the number 41 -- he will be the 41st Republican senator, giving the GOP the ability to sustain filibusters all by themselves -- was a smoking gun.

That's right: Brown, who said "all Americans deserve health care coverage" and said the election was not a referendum on health care, signed his name with a 41 at the end, so Massachusetts voters must have been rejecting health care reform! That's about as lame an explanation as you could possibly think of, but Guthrie's colleague Chris Matthews peddled it later that day, too.

Most important: What does it actually mean if the election was a "referendum" on health care? What does that say about what Democrats have done for the past year, and what they should do over the next? The answers aren't as simple as much of the media coverage would suggest.

Actually, the shallowness of the media's political analysis this week wasn't limited to health care; it showed in their insistence that President Obama and the Democrats were guilty of "overreaching" on a wide range of issues. Time ran an article headlined "Five Ways Obama Went Wrong" that was typical of the establishment media's reaction to recent events. Time's "five ways" included:

  • The challenges were just too big for any one man.
  • Crises are not opportunities; they are just crises.
  • The Obama mandate was not what it seemed.
  • Health care is just too hard.
  • Americans just don't like government.

Note that all five really boil down to the same thing: Obama tried to do too much.

Now, it's possible that's true. But there are other assessments that are at least as plausible.

For example: The stimulus package passed by the Democratic Congress and signed by President Obama last year was significantly smaller than it should have been, according to many economists -- and a sizable chunk of it was devoted to tax cuts included in part in a (largely unsuccessful) effort to win support from conservatives. Had that package been much larger and more focused on things that would provide more immediate stimulus, it's possible the economy would have shown greater improvement over the past year. And that would have almost certainly resulted in a political environment that is more favorable to the Democrats.

So it isn't difficult to conclude that the problem wasn't an attempt to do too much; it was that not enough was done. Conversely, what if less had been done? Would the economy be any better? Probably not. Would Democrats have avoided Republican attacks over runaway spending had they limited the bill to a mere $400 billion? Of course not. And so the Democrats' political fortunes would not be better, either.

The same applies to suggestions that Democrats tried to do too much with health care. Maybe they did -- or maybe the problem isn't that they tried to do too much, but that they did it too slowly, and that they'd be better off had they quickly slammed bold legislation through Congress last summer and moved on.

Again, let's look at the implications of the assumptions underlying the "overreached" theme. What if Democrats had pursued a health care that was half as ambitious as the Senate bill, with the same legislative strategy for getting it through Congress? Would that have convinced conservatives not to lie about it, or Republicans not to oppose it? Of course not. Would opponents still brand it a "government takeover of health care"? Of course. Would the media have done a better job of informing and educating the public about what the bill would actually do? Nope. So, again: How would their situation be any better?

Finally, even if the media consensus that Democrats overreached is correct, what does that say about what they should do going forward? The implication tends to be that they should tack sharply to the right and scale back their agenda. But if they do that, they're still going to get (falsely) hit for supporting a "massive government takeover of health care" -- that toothpaste has left the tube, and there's no putting it back in -- and for massive government spending. And they won't be able to do much to repair the economy if they're tacking rightward and scaling back their agenda. So they would risk facing a lousy economy and negative perceptions of their handling of health care and not having much to show for any of it. Is that really the best they can hope for? Maybe it is. But -- pretty obviously -- it might not be. It might be that they'd be better off quickly passing health care and a second stimulus, for example, and running on those accomplishments, since they're already paying the price for them.

To be clear: I'm not offering political advice here. Properly answering these questions requires far greater depth of study than is the scope of this column. My point is simply to demonstrate the shocking shallowness of the "political analysis" mainstream political reporters provide. It pretty much boils down to this: Democrats are unpopular and losing support from independents, therefore they were too liberal and tried to do too much, therefore they should run to the right and do much less.

Now, there are times when those are the correct conclusions. This may even be one of them. But that isn't actual analysis. Those are assumptions. Those are cocktail party platitudes. How can I say those could be the correct conclusions and that they are simply assumptions? Two reasons: First, those are almost always the media's conclusions. Second, they don't show their work. They don't address the questions I've raised: Things like: OK, if Democrats did too much, what would have happened had they done less? What would the political state of play be had the stimulus package and health care bill been half as large? If you don't work through these things, you aren't really "analyzing" anything -- you're guessing.

Instead, they rely on assumptions and jump to conclusions. (Here's where a conservative would likely argue that the same thing happens when Republicans lose: the media assume it's because they were too conservative. Guess what? I agree that those assessments are often based on flawed analysis. Again: My focus here is the quality of the analysis more than the correctness of the conclusions.)

One of those assumptions -- one that is obviously incorrect and that I'm confident none of them would consciously adopt -- is that the electorate consists of people scattered along an ideological spectrum, and that their position on that spectrum is static, and that they respond to legislative efforts based solely on how those efforts relate to their own position on the spectrum.

Here's an example: Politico's Ben Smith suggested yesterday that the position that the Democrats' problem was an excess of caution is incompatible with the position that the Democrats' problem is that independents are turning away from them. But those two things are only incompatible if you think "independents" are people who exist smack in the middle of the spectrum, between liberals and conservatives, and their political affections belong to whichever party pursues policies that are closest to their own ideological leanings. If, however, you think independents would be happy as clams if a significantly larger stimulus package last year had improved the economy, the two notions aren't even remotely incompatible.

Another: The silly notion that supporting a bill that costs $800 billion opens a politician up to attacks for reckless spending, but supporting a bill that costs $400 billion wouldn't. This is simply crazy. I can't believe anybody really thinks that conservatives wouldn't be able (or willing) to portray even $200 billion as too much money, if that was the price tag attached to health care reform, or to an economic stimulus package. It's $200 billion! And yet, you hear it all the time: The price tag is just so high, they're opening themselves up to attack. The reality is that numbers like $200 billion and $800 billion and $1.2 trillion don't really mean much to people -- and mean even less out of context, which is how they are almost always discussed. They all sound like -- or can easily be made to sound like -- a ton of money.

Which leads to the media's tendency to forget that effective policy makes for good politics. Spend $1 trillion on a stimulus package that improves the economy, and people are going to like you more than if you had spent $200 billion on one that didn't. But when they're covering debate over a stimulus package, the question of how well it will work tends to be missing from media discussions of whether people will think it's too expensive. And take a look at that Time assessment of Obama and the Democrats' political troubles, or at Politico's version: Neither contains much more than a few passing references to the concept that political and policy success are intertwined.

None of this would matter much, were it not for the fact that the news media are not merely observers of the political process, but active (which is not necessarily to say willing) participants in it. When they say over and over that something is too big, too expensive, too liberal, people -- politicians and voters alike -- tend to internalize that critique and adjust their behavior. And so the media have a distorting effect on political and public policy debates not merely by doing a lousy job of covering policy, but by doing a lousy job of the "political analysis" for which they all too often abandon coverage of policy.

Jamison Foser is a Senior Fellow at Media Matters for America, a progressive media watchdog and research and information center based in Washington, D.C. Foser also contributes to County Fair, a media blog featuring links to progressive media criticism from around the Web, as well as original commentary. You can follow him on Twitter and Facebook or sign up to receive his columns by email.

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    • Author by DellDolly (January 21, 2010 6:08 pm ET)
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      Facts, logical thinking and common sense are like a stake to the heart of the rightwing vampires who are only out for their own short-term gains at any costs to our nation. It's too bad that the media does such a terrible job of providing those three things to their readers, listeners and viewers.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 22, 2010 12:32 pm ET)
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        I'm with you Dolly. Conservative are positively allergic to logic, critcial thinking thing and facts. That's why their corporate controlled media doesnn't go there: It doesn't serve their interets. Keep the people blindly accepting what we tell them. Don't let them think the should start THINKING about it, or ASKING QUESTIONS.

        "Let this be a lesson to ALL you ants: Ideas are very dangerous things!" ~Hopper, A Bug's Life

        And hmm...hmmm....hmmm.... or (to quote Mencia) da-da-daaaa.... is nothing more than 2-cent troll. Nowhere NEAR the standards we've come to expect from our typical RW friends here.

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        But when you haven't USED your brain in so long, it hurts a bit at first. Maybe he'll improve over time.
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    • Author by smarshall1432997 (January 21, 2010 7:13 pm ET)
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      Here's a solution: Have Democrats and Independents do like Republicans do when they are on America's Airwaves (radio and tv) - "REPEAT" over and over Democrat Talking Points no matter what the Host asks or discuss. Soon the Democrats message will get out there and stay no matter what the Republicans say over and over. Democrats should keep their message short, sweet and just "repeat" it over and over. Eventually, Cable and Radio Hosts will use the Democrat Talking Points as their lead-in questions to discuss politics with Republicans. Ah, ha. LOL.

      Here's a sample of "repeat". Former VP Cheney writes America's 'not safe'. Democrats & Independents "repeat" questions to VP Cheney about his facts to deal with the threat ASAP. VP Cheney refuses to respond. Democrats & Independents "repeat" their calls for Hearings on the Hill with VP Cheney to "share" his Intelligenc about Nat'l Security. VP Cheney have no proof just his thoughts. MSM reports VP Cheney had no proof, just thoughts. Dems & Independents "repeat" question of why VP Cheney wrote thoughts to scare America. Hmmm. Follow where this leads? Works for us - wink, wink. LOL.
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        • Author by punkin (January 22, 2010 8:28 am ET)
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          hummer - pot calling the kettle black? "pathetic" You constantly lash out at other respondents here on MMfA, name calling and insults. Very juvenile and says much more about you than about the person you are attacking
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        • Author by smarshall1432997 (January 22, 2010 8:31 am ET)
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          Sorry, Hmmmm..., we heard that Air America is ending b/c the Owners had created a new Progressive Cable Tv Show to balance out FoxNews Network 24/7. Air America will debut this Monday, and counter hour after hour ALL the "smears" and "falsehoods" that Republicans and FoxNews report as news about Democrats and Pres. Obama. You guys have not heard this? Uh, oh. LOL.

          See, Dems. could do what Republicans do, huh? It's not true, but hey it makes great tv. MSM would run around in circles on this 'made-up' falsehood for about three days. And, Air America turns into a "hot" comodity instead of a caving victim. Hmmm, works for us - LOL.
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          • Author by rrrrigghhttt (January 22, 2010 2:22 pm ET)
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            MSNBC 24/7 isn't enough? My, I just felt a thrill up my leg.
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            • Author by eweston8542983 (January 22, 2010 11:50 pm ET)
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              Scarborough liberal? Reasonable on occasion, he's been the subject of threads here, not supportive ones usually. Mathews inferrence I presume. I don't depend on him for a progressive point of view, Don't think many regulars here do either.

              How many hours are in your day? Does all of everything add up to 120% where you live?
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        • Author by mattcable250650 (January 22, 2010 11:53 am ET)
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          Hummer might also want to consider the fact that Air America didn't have a Rev. Moon to pay its bills a la The Washington Times. Consider also the "Who's still supporting Glenn Beck?" pieces that MMFA runs every night. Obviously, someone is paying Beck's bills anyway.
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        • Author by hamroad (January 22, 2010 3:28 pm ET)
             
          It is deeply reassuring that hummer thinks the voice-talent from Air America is now off the air. They have, nearly everyone of them, all been picked up by other broadcasting companies and progressive talk radio is doing quite well selling advertising, attracting ratings, and satisfying progressive listeners all over the country. The station in my market even attracts ad-buys from conservatives! So just consider the source and be glad they are beleiving their own mis-information campaign. Hummer's comments on this topic are hilarious. (I wonder if he noticed that Air America's top head-liner was elected to the Senate in 2008. WOOF! That exposure sure soured Al Franken with HIS electorate!)
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        • Author by RSJ (January 23, 2010 9:00 am ET)
             
          Meanwhile, the syndicated shows of Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz and other lefty radio talkers (and TV hosts) are doing very well, even beating Rush, Sean and Beck in some cities where they go head-to-head.

          If Rupert Murdoch hadn't sunk hundreds of millions in keeping Fox News on the air for years when it had atrocious ratings and horrendous ad revenues, Fox would have gone under, too. (Don't worry about Rupe -- he recouped it all and then some.) And if Clear Channel hadn't bought up so many AM radio stations across the nation and programmed them with wall-to-wall conservative talk, Rush and his ilk would have little influence.

          The fact is, corporations invest heavily in right-wing media because it benefits their bottom line -- they receive massive tax breaks, deregulation and other concessions from Republicans they wouldn't get from liberals and you know who pays for it eventually? You, me, and anyone else who isn't wealthy.

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    • Author by Good Creon (January 21, 2010 7:18 pm ET)
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      Great article, Mr. Foser.
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    • Author by vwcat (January 21, 2010 7:21 pm ET)
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      when the media stopped being reporters of facts and truth, stopped educating the public on the issues and became instant pundits and opinionators, pandered to what they assumed was the great middle class in the middle of the country is when they became a joke and fell to the bottom of people's esteem.
      If they took more care in presenting the issues and trying to explain them to the public, we would have a much better informed public that was not so easily led by the likes of Beck. We also would have a much more informed media.
      Instead we have this shallow, sensational chasing, drama inducing nonsense that passes for the news.
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      • Author by rumpleteasermom (January 21, 2010 10:57 pm ET)
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        If they took more care in presenting the issues and trying to explain them to the public, we would have a much better informed public that was not so easily led by the likes of Beck.

        Unfortunately, we seem to have a public that is not capable understanding the issues. I blame that on a lot of factors - schools that don't teach people how to think and reason, a media that trains us to only listen to sound bites, a lifestyle that emphasises fast and easy over substantive . . .
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    • Author by ABBA|Proudly teaBAGGING Liberals (January 21, 2010 7:40 pm ET)
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      Either obama will learn like JFK or for jimmy carter down the rabbit hole and be a looser... his choice, your choice.... I'm betting the he's not smart enough to learn like JFK did...

      Here's one SIMPLE example.

      FACT: America wants and support health care reform.
      MYTH: America wants the destruction of health care as in obama-care. GET real, suggest real reform... I know you all don't want to hear it so I'll say it again....

      1. Tort Reform
      2. Award caps.
      3. fund medicare at the current levels
      4. interstate purchase of insurance (competition)

      *NOTE* 40% of the health insurance providers are NON-PROFIT.

      That's just a start. go for no denial due to pre-existing conditions, go for no cancellation... all these things are a start. buying off Nebraska has no place in health care...pathetic...
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      • Author by DellDolly (January 21, 2010 8:04 pm ET)
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        Actually, what you suggested are not solutions at all.

        But you did make a great troll post - trying to derail the thread from the actual topic. How to solve the healthcare insurance crisis our nation faces is not the topic.

        Please don't feed the troll "looser" (sic).
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        • Author by rtejon (January 22, 2010 1:29 am ET)
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          Lately it seems like every troll post is an affront to proper written English. Not that every other poster is perfect, but I think I detect a pattern...
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          • Author by DellDolly (January 22, 2010 1:56 pm ET)
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            Well, quite a few people misspell "loser" as "looser". I don't understand why, but it's not just an affliction of those on the right. To your broader point, yeah, there are lots of spelling errors. I think there are 3 reasons for that. We have sockpuppets, so one person who's not a good speller is responsible for multiple screen name's bad spelling. Next, many of the troll posts are not proofread carefully enough to avoid those spelling errors, and that's because they get paid by the post that derails the conversation - they don't care how it gets done, just that the derailment gets done! And the people who hire these paid trolls don't care about their spelling ability. They only care about their ability to derail conversations so as to avoid us concentrating on the actual topic that should be discussed.
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            • Author by rrrrigghhttt (January 22, 2010 3:17 pm ET)
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              talk about off topic...what an arse you are.
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              • Author by all your eyes (January 22, 2010 3:53 pm ET)
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                Were you trying to prove her point with that response?
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              • Author by DellDolly (January 23, 2010 12:41 am ET)
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                First off, I already DID address the topic under discussion, so no, I'm NOT trying to derail the thread.

                Secondly, just above these two posts, I replied to the point another poster brought up. The post that hmmm...hmmm made was a standalone post that didn't relate to the article's point at all. It wasn't a reply to anyone, was it? Of course it wasn't. Mine was. I didn't derail the thread by pointing out that someone else was trying to do that.

                So, talk about off-topic... your personal attack on ME, which was not, in any way, a reply to the content of my post? That post of yours was off-topic.

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                • Author by rrrrigghhttt (January 23, 2010 2:09 pm ET)
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                  sorry, I didn't take the time to read the rest of your mindless dribble, just your off-topic attack of spelling and grammar. my bad, but thanks for your insight. keep blabbing away...
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                  • Author by DellDolly (January 23, 2010 9:05 pm ET)
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                    Yeah, shows how TERRIBLE your reading comprehension is that YOU thought that I attacked people's spelling and grammar, when in fact I said that many people misspell "loser" as "looser". That's an explanation, and not an attack at all, yet you want to CLAIM that you actually read part of my post?

                    Man, I just LOVE it when people dig their own graves. Keep it up.
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            • Author by JoeSixpack (January 22, 2010 3:58 pm ET)
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              My god, you're pedantic. You're not in charge of the discussion around here, you know, and it should be abundantly clear by now that all of your efforts to dictate the discourse have amounted to nothing. The trolls are still here, posting as they wish, and you're still lodging the same tired complaints over and over and over. At what point are you going to realize that what you're doing isn't working?

              It's not your politics with which I disagree - it's the constant schoolmarm attitude. I say again - you are not in charge of anything here. If you could accept that and quit being such a tedious scold all the time, you'd be a lot easier to tolerate.
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              • Author by DellDolly (January 23, 2010 12:36 am ET)
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                My god, you're wrong.

                First off, I'm not pedantic. Look up the definition of the word. It doesn't describe my behavior at all. I'm not overly concerned with a minute detail. Troll posts disrupt this site in a major way. Once a troll loses all credibility, they run away and stop posting. Once a troll is caught on a thread, and if people don't repeatedly respond to the troll post, then that troll is blockaded. And that DOES happen quite frequently when I post. Since we don't have a parallel universe with which to evaluate how much derailing doesn't happen once I post a warning, we'll never know, but if you'd like, I'll point it out over the next couple of weeks every time the string DOES stop once I (or anyone else) post a warning! You'll see that you're wrong about it not helping.

                And yeah, it doesn't work perfectly, because too many people continue to feed trolls, and too many people don't recognize trolls. That's not a reason for me to STOP doing what I'm doing. That's a reason for me to CONTINUE doing what I'm doing until more people catch on to the idea! Not sure why you don't understand that! I have no idea why you would suggest that I haven't realized that people still reply to trolls - I've never exhibited any sort of ignorance that would lead ANYONE with half a brain to come to that conclusion, yet somehow you did?

                The trolls are NOT still posting like they did.

                And it's NOT a constant schoolmarm attitude. It's a beneficial thing for the site. Sorry if you don't understand that. Too bad, so sad. I don't care if you tolerate me or not. I'm not here to make friends or make you happy. I'm here to express my opinion and to help MMFA do the best job they can to expose the poisonous ways that the misinformation from the right poisons our national discourse.

                Endless replies to troll posts poisons the debate. Letting someone who's not interested in actually discussing the subject of the article that MMFA posts derail the topic hurts the site and the power of the debate. It's the same issue that the Obama White House has with FoxNews! It's the same issue that Rachel Maddow had on Friday night with the rightwing media going with the false meme that the Dems were going to delay the seating of Senator-elect Brown! She was trying to find the root cause of that false meme, and stop it! If you don't think that stopping troll posts on this site is valuable, don't restrain yourself from replying to them. I think it hurts this site a lot, and so I will continue to express my opinion on that issue!

                I AM in charge of expressing my own opinion, just as you are of yours. You expressed yours above, and I will continue to express mine. I am baffled as to why you think that YOU should be able to express YOUR opinion but I can't express MINE about troll posts. How does THAT calculus work for you?
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                • Author by rrrrigghhttt (January 23, 2010 2:20 pm ET)
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                  off topic again? my your persistent and pedantic...and repetitive and monotonous and jejune and spurious and erratic and just plain full of poo poo. Does it give you headaches being so self-righteous all of the time? Thanks for being you, you sound like a fun person to hang out with.
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                  • Author by DellDolly (January 23, 2010 9:36 pm ET)
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                    Thanks for continuing to document that you're just an old troll with a new screen name, but still nothing valuable to say.
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                    • Author by rrrrigghhttt (January 23, 2010 9:49 pm ET)
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                      sorry, wrong again. I'm a brand spanking new troll. just got my troll wings yesterday after reading your swill for a few days. nice try though, you really are quite amusing. thanks.
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                  • Author by RSJ (January 24, 2010 3:15 pm ET)
                       
                    @ rrrrigghhttt: Sounds like somebody done located hisself a thesaurus. DellDolly is simply expressing her opinion, and pointing out some truthful aspects of posting on liberal sites. Why are you taking that so personally that you would respond with ad hominem attacks and invective? Did the arrow hit too near the bull's-eye for comfort?
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              • Author by DellDolly (January 23, 2010 12:49 am ET)
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                Like "by all your eyes" says below...

                They don't read the articles. Like Dolly said, the idea is to derail the conversation, not to stay on topic or offer legitimate criticism. This is the entirety of the RNC strategy on every level. Drown out the truth with as much noise and distration as possible, and then blame the Democrats for not being able to get anything done, when the public has been barraged with an interminable stream of obfuscation and distortion.
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            • Author by RSJ (January 24, 2010 3:01 pm ET)
                 
              DellDolly is absolutely right. Advantage Consultants (I believe that's the correct name) offered an online service wherein they would deploy paid posters to liberal sites to push the right-wing agenda, throw the thread off track, or smear Obama and other Democrats, sometimes with the poster pretending to be a disappointed Dem, progressive or independent. As I recall, these trolls were paid by the post, so speed rather than accuracy of spelling (or thought) was of the essence. I have heard there are other right-wing firms that are doing the same thing.

              Meanwhile, right-wing sites blunt or eliminate liberals from doing the same by simply not permitting opposing viewpoints, or only allowing really stupid liberal posts that can be easily disproved or ridiculed, the same as Rush does to his callers. If you know your facts and are good at debate, you won't get on the Rush Limbaugh show.

              Similar to their bizarre idea of a 'free market' economy that is dominated by a few large multi-national corporations, if the media game isn't rigged in their favor, today's neocons don't play -- a far cry from true conservatives of the past.

              One of these days perhaps the Hummer and the other right-wing posters, trolls or not, will wake up to the fact that a nation where everything is for sale, including your own dignity and integrity, and truth is cynically sacrificed to ideology because it's all just 'means to an end' to sell something, is not a nation worth living in, and not the place envisioned by the founders nor the millions who have died on battlefields to preserve our experiment in self-government. Those are other things true conservatives once knew and the current crop have forgotten: Integrity and honesty are important -- more important than just being 'Right.'
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      • Author by Tangaroa (January 22, 2010 12:09 am ET)
           
        The Democratic plan started out as "no denial due to pre-existing conditions, no cancellation" and every single Republican opposed it to the point of filibustering it. Explain to us how to get that passed without "buying off Nebraska" when one more vote is needed and the only vote that will budge is Nebraska's.
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      • Author by bobklahn (January 22, 2010 3:49 pm ET)
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        ----------------------------------------------------
        1. Tort Reform
        2. Award caps.
        3. fund medicare at the current levels
        4. interstate purchase of insurance (competition)
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        Actually, not one of 1,2 or 4 is of any value in health care reform.

        Don't even discuss tort reform or award caps until you can tell us how much they currently cost.

        Interstate purchase of insurance is already legal. My company's former insurer was in NYC, while I work in Ohio and the corporate HQ is in Illinois.

        Now, if you mean National Health insurance, that is what the current reform effort is all about.
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      • Author by all your eyes (January 22, 2010 3:55 pm ET)
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        We've been trhough this. Tort reform does nothing except take away one of the only forms of recouse a person has when wronged by a doctor or hospital. Allowing insurance to be sold across state lines will simply concentrate insurance companies in the state with the least regulation (Delaware, like the credit card industry). And you talk about funding medicare at current levels, but that's extremely disingenuous, because you're all so fond of telling us that medicare is going broke.
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    • Author by prashant (January 22, 2010 12:55 am ET)
         
      Americans created history by electing BARACK OBAMA, hoping that he would put an end to all their vows and some are still hoping so after 1 yr of Obama's rule but to be fair the administration hasn't been easy for Obama (The Great Economic recession of 2009).

      watch Obama's 1st year in White House, the good and the bad http://www.videocrux.com/video/18761/Barack-Obama-first-year-in-the-White-House
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    • Author by only_myschly3567 (January 22, 2010 1:36 am ET)
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      Anyone disagreeing with this article is blinded by ideology. It's so true that the "analysis" done over this election is just pathetic. It's pretty much like Jim Kramer and others assessment that the stock-market would sky-rocket from Brown winning. Sure it could look like that was the case at first, but then reality comes along, and nothing could be further from the truth.
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      • Author by rrrrigghhttt (January 22, 2010 3:20 pm ET)
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        reality of Barry attacking the banks you mean?
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        • Author by all your eyes (January 22, 2010 4:00 pm ET)
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          Attacking the banks? You mean the banks he helped to rescue from the brink of destruction? That same rescue you would so blindly attack as being socialist, a waste of taxpayer dollars? Now you're upset he's trying to recoop the losses? The dishonesty is stunning.
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          • Author by rrrrigghhttt (January 22, 2010 6:20 pm ET)
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            huh? I thought Bush did that? and it was his fault too, and didn't they paid it back? do we need to go after more money? cap their profits? stop them from making any profits? It seemed like slappy above was making a point about the market not going up after a Brown win. No wonder the market reacted as it did. Barry loses a seat and looks for someone to take it out on. Nice distraction Rahmy. Wow, Barry is an awesome leader. Man I love this guy. How can you people not see what a buffoon he is? Do your own personal teleprompters not allow you to think for yourselves either? I'm sure he can't even pick out his own clothes in the morning, Axelrod or Rahmy does it for him.
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            • Author by eweston8542983 (January 23, 2010 12:10 am ET)
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              Actually quite a bit of intelligent critism is directed both towards Obama and Dems within the liberal blogosphere.
              Curiously none of it involves brith certificates and historical figures from his past, no accusations of ism du jour.

              The market actions had nothing to do with politics. Actions which those financial wizzards at both Faux and MSNBC were seemingly ignorant of.

              Not bad post to start with, but too quickly you feel your point is made (somehow without any evidence to support you) and you are reduced to cheap insults.

              You've got some potential, try harder.
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          • Author by DellDolly (January 23, 2010 12:45 am ET)
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            Some banks actually were financially rescued with direct transfers of millions of dollars in gov't money; taxpayer money.

            Other banks which didn't receive direct transfers also received significant financial benefits because the financial system didn't collapse! Had banks been allowed to fail in any significant numbers, ALL US banks, and likely worldwide financial institutions would have suffered catastrophic losses.

            So, ALL banks financially benefitted from the expenditure of taxpayer moneys to stave off that financial collapse.

            It's only fair that they pay a tax on the HUGE profits they are now making! Profits that are only possible because of the taxpayer dollars that helped directly save some banks and indirectly saved every financial institution in the USA!
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      • Author by all your eyes (January 22, 2010 3:59 pm ET)
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        They don't read the articles. Like Dolly said, the idea is to derail the conversation, not to stay on topic or offer legitimate criticism. This is the entirety of the RNC strategy on every level. Drown out the truth with as much noise and distration as possible, and then blame the Democrats for not being able to get anything done, when the public has been barraged with an interminable stream of obfuscation and distortion.
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    • Author by manofmystique (January 22, 2010 8:15 am ET)
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      TV pundits and so-called expert analysts do a great DISSERVICE to their profession and the American people.
      Instead of informing, interpreting and educating the general public about politicians and their policies, they give delusional, deceiving and misleading "opinions" guided by their bias or personal belief. As a result TRUTH OR REALITY is ABSENCE in their evaluation or analysis.

      Sort of how Fox News operates.
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      • Author by MickD (January 22, 2010 11:00 am ET)
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        The message comes from the top, dictated by the corporate agenda. We need to grow and face this.
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    • Author by TripleD30 (January 22, 2010 10:42 am ET)
         
      Great article! I think this, so often, when watching all the political shows
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    • Author by jpeagle21 (January 22, 2010 10:55 am ET)
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      Jon Stewart's ode to Keith Olbermann:
      http://www.indecisionforever.com/2010/01/22/jon-stewarts-special-comment-on-keith-olbermann/
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    • Author by wesley (January 22, 2010 1:31 pm ET)
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      Now that's the Foser that I always enjoy reading.

      He's right on the money about the inept shallowness of most political reporting masquerading as analysis.

      Well done.
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    • Author by bobpine (January 22, 2010 6:18 pm ET)
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      This same thing applies to the media constantly pushing sarah palin,they keep saying how great,good on& on,And when something is said by her I just scratch my head.
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    • Author by Les Philling (January 22, 2010 8:33 pm ET)
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      My theory is that Sen. Kennedy was just so great a candidate all these years that we overestimate the significance of this Democratic Party loss. Although I'm a Bay State outsider, everything I've heard about him tells me that he had it going on every which way: a top-notch constituency support office; personally very likable, approachable and outgoing to everyone; an excellent political strategist; a tireless campaigner; residual loyalty engendered from his two martyred brothers and his maternal grandfather; access to shadow presidency advisers; a hard working base in the unions and others who owed him enormously; personal wealth; off the bottle; happily married; many years of seniority which likely resulted in Mass getting it's share of pork; well liked by professional pols whose help he could on.

      So while the loss may to some small degree be due to an anti-incumbency mood abroad in the land generally, I submit THIS PARTICULAR LOSS was much less a result of national forces and much more the result of an UNAVOIDABLE drop in the caliber of available Democratic candidates.
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      • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (January 23, 2010 11:31 am ET)
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        That is probably the smartest thing anybody has ever said.
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        • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (January 23, 2010 11:35 am ET)
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          Hey too bad I didn't get turned into FairLiberal, I could REALLY have some fun! I'm Les Philling, not "aBeck in 10-O-C".
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      • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (January 24, 2010 12:18 am ET)
           
        Les, This is not a joke, I swear.

        Someone repeatedly claiming to be "Les Philling", but using my MMfA username, posted several innocuous comments on various threads on Saturday. None of them were me. I haven't a clue how they accomplished this hacking feat, or why they chose my username to take out for a joyride on these threads. I have reported this to MMfA and changed my password.

        It has freaked me out that such a thing is possible, even though no serious harm has been done. I am assuming that the prankster is not really you.

        I assure you that this message is the only one I posted on Saturday Jan. 23, 2010. I don't know what happens next.

        The real "aBeck in 10-O-C"
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        • Author by Les Philling (January 24, 2010 2:12 am ET)
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          Hi aBeck in 10-0-C,

          This is the real Les Philling, no joke either.

          It was me who made those comments you referred to. I was somehow logged in Saturday morning as Abeck in 10-0-C without me doing anything. Also I could not log out. I closed the site and restarted my computer and still I was logged in as ABeck in 10-0-C. It was only when I came to the site just now that I wasn't automatically logged in as Abeck in 10-O-C.

          I'm not much a computer guy, so I can't begin to explain how this might have happened.

          Prior to your post, I didn't know what might have become of my identity as Les Philling. I thought there was a chance it was also under someone else's control. By posting under your name but at the same time acknowledging my true identity I hoped to mitigate any potential damages in this regard. I also thereby wished to alert the other posters generally as to their own possible vulnerability.
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          • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (January 24, 2010 4:32 pm ET)
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            Les,
            Many thanks for the explanation. You are a true gentleman in your handling of this crazy mystery, both then and now.

            You probably could not log out because my home computer had remained logged on to MMfA, as you know the site functions, and you were (somehow) "released" when I logged out after changing my password late Saturday night.

            I will tell you that I did note that "Les Philling" had posted a similar "test post" on Jan. 20, 2010 at 10.01 pm. This led me to wonder if YOU had similarly had your username "hacked" and that there might be some tentative connection instigated by a third party. But any similarities apparently end there.

            My notification to MMfA made no accusations and did not purport to be an "abuse report" against anyone. I have absolutely no idea what the nature of MMfA's response to me, (if any) will be. However, I wanted YOU to know the situation firsthand. Your hasty response will be invaluable in mitigating this "episode" as an innocent technical glitch and helps serve notice of a general "vulnerability" for all other posters as well.

            Les, as you alluded in your posts as my avatar, a "glitch" of this nature has a potential to create some degree of mayhem. I only hope that if the cause is within MMfA's system that they will address it and fix it promptly.

            Since this thread will close to comments in the coming hours, feel free to reply to any of my subsequent posts at MMfA if further communication with me is warranted by any resultant circumstances.

            Peace,
            aBeck


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    • Author by terrapin53 (January 22, 2010 9:48 pm ET)
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      It's all about what gets you ratings and smart political discussion does not get you the ratings.
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