Does Fox News coverage = GOP campaign contribution?
With its open and aggressive cheerleading -- not to mention on-air fundraising -- for Massachusetts Republican Scott Brown last week, Fox News crossed yet another threshold in its unabashed transformation into a purely political entity. Now completely turning its back on producing any semblance of independent journalism, Fox News eagerly flaunts its role as GOP kingmaker.
That relentlessly partisan approach continues to raise fundamental questions about what role Fox News plays in our political culture and, thanks to its shameless GOP boosterism, whether the cable channel and its programming should fall under the jurisdiction of the Federal Election Commission. Meaning, does Fox News' gung-ho GOP campaign coverage double as a contribution to the Republican Party, a contribution that should be regulated?
The Commission defines "contribution" to include any gift of money or "anything of value" made for the express purpose of influencing a federal election. A key Commission exemption for decades, though, has been granted to the news media, since they have been seen as "neutral" and not controlled by political interests. Therefore their editorial product could not be considered a "contribution" or "expenditure" to any campaign.
The exemption was created, in the words of the Commission, to ensure "the unfettered right of the newspapers, TV networks, and other media to cover and comment on political campaigns," which makes perfect sense, since there's nothing wrong with newspapers endorsing candidates or columnists berating incumbents. The exception has allowed journalists (and more recently bloggers) to report and pontificate about campaigns without having to worry about federal finance laws and whether their editorial efforts cross the line into candidate contributions.
That approach worked well because for decades there has been both a spoken and unspoken understanding among professional journalists as to what kind of guidelines and standards ought to be upheld in the pursuit of the news. That was especially true of cable and network news broadcasters, who wield so much influence in our TV-centric culture.
As former Federal Communications Commission chairman Reed Hundt once wrote:
Part of this tradition is that broadcasters do not show propaganda for any candidate, no matter how much a station owner may personally favor one or dislike the other. Broadcasters understand that they have a special and conditional role in public discourse... Virtually all broadcasters understand and honor it.
But as we've been stressing for the past year, the radically transformed Fox News no longer plays by any discernable rules. I mean, allowing one candidate, on the eve of a special election, to repeatedly raise funds on the air? That's unthinkable in any other newsroom in America. Yet that's the platform Fox News opened to Scott Brown in his quest to defeat Martha Coakley in Massachusetts last week. That is, when Fox News wasn't regularly smearing Coakley.
So the question must now be raised: Is Fox News' relentlessly one-sided coverage the equivalent of a massive campaign contribution to the GOP? And based on some recent regulatory language used by the FEC, the answer might just be "yes."
This type of issue has been raised in the past. For instance, in 2004, the National Republican Congressional Committee filed a complaint with the FEC accusing two co-hosts at Los Angeles' KFI-AM of "criminal behavior," claiming they were attacking Republican Congressman David Dreier while endorsing his Democratic opponent.
Following that same 2004 campaign season, the conservative Center for Individual Freedom filed a complaint with the FEC, claiming that CBS's controversial report on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard (i.e. Memogate) constituted an "illegal expenditure" on CBS's part to Sen. John Kerry's campaign because the network knowingly aired a false broadcast intended to curtail Bush's re-election bid.
The Commission swatted those complaints away because for decades it has given a wide berth to who qualifies for the media exemption, specifically allowing outlets to remain eligible "without regard to whether programming is biased or balanced," insisting that approach falls within "legitimate press function."
Frankly, I think most people -- and certainly most journalists -- would prefer to keep federal authorities out of newsrooms. They'd prefer not to have the government involved in making editorial judgments in terms of who's a journalist and who is not. (One of the beauties of journalism has always been that no higher authority makes that call.) And honestly, prior to Fox News' relentless, and unapologetic, partisan campaign on behalf of Scott Brown, I had always sort of shrugged off the suggestion that any form of biased news coverage or punditocracy doubled as a "contribution" or should be regulated by the government.
And I certainly didn't think much when conservative writers last year raised the dark specter of the Obama administration unleashing the FEC on Fox News, and alleged that that's why the White House criticized Murdoch's channel and labeled it illegitimate -- so the FEC could swoop in to "stifle speech" the government doesn't like. (I don't see any evidence that that's the case.)
But now I'm having second thoughts, simply because of how dramatically Fox News has ramped up its obvious pro-GOP campaign coverage just within the last couple of months. Recall that in November, Fox News pushed a handful of Republican and conservative candidates in New Jersey, Virginia, and New York. The openly one-sided coverage, in which Fox News hosts and analysts urged viewers to donate, volunteer, and vote for the featured candidates, ran counter to every conceivable journalism doctrine. (Surprise!)
Honestly, the November coverage paled in comparison to last week's Fox News GOP orgy, where the cable outlet pushed Brown's candidacy incessantly -- as well as exclusively -- and then celebrated his win just as fanatically.
If Fox News made such a huge leap between last November and this January, imagine what Fox News' programming will look like this coming autumn, when the entire House of Representatives is up for re-election, as is one-third of the Senate. In other words, the Brown production was merely a (tame?) preview of what's to come. Fox News obviously liked what it saw with the Brown victory, and if it's not already collectively drunk with kingmaking power, it will soon become completely inebriated, and its relentless pro-Brown campaign will likely look reserved come November. And the "contributions" will be almost too many to count.
Which brings us back to the point Media Matters has been stressing for months, and which the serious media elites have been slow to acknowledge: Fox News is the Opposition Party. Period. And that's why Fox News ought to no longer qualify for the FEC's media exemption. That's why Fox News' cheerleading-on-steroids for Republican candidates obliterates all previous guidelines set by the Commission.
Note that in March 2006, the FEC moved to include bloggers, and others doing online activism, to be part of the established media exemption. Even though individual blog sites might be uniformly partisan, that didn't mean their content represented an expenditure to the bloggers' favorite candidates or political party. The FEC used its standard criteria and ruled that because blogs were "neutral," meaning they were not controlled or owned by a political entity, they shouldn't be subject to federal campaign finance regulation.
So, because Fox News is "neutral" and is not owned by a political entity (although you could certainly argue it's controlled by the GOP), then it has free reign in terms of the media exemption, and is free to transform itself into GOP Central and the FEC shouldn't say boo, right? Case closed, correct?
Not quite.
Let's look at the case of the recent start-up company Melothe Inc., which petitioned the FEC for a press exemption. Melothe described itself as a Web-based TV station that would go inside the campaigns of Democratic candidates and provide Web video and programming that would be of special interest to Democrats and progressives.
But Melothe did not qualify for the exemption, as explained in a November 13, 2008, memorandum, signed by FEC's general counsel. Even though the FEC and the courts have used a very liberal definition of "press entity" for the exemption, the Commission ruled that Melothe did not qualify because it would essentially be indistinguishable from the interests of its chosen candidates.
Sound familiar?
See if the highlighted passages below from the FEC memo remind you of a certain "fair and balanced" cable channel:
Melothe, Inc. proposes to work with the campaigns of only Democratic candidates and, potentially, only one candidate of that party. The commission recognizes that lack of objectivity is news and commentary does not automatically disqualify an entity from coming within the press exemption. ... Here, however, the featured campaign's message would be indistinguishable from that of Melothe, Inc. itself, indicating it would function not as a press entity but a press arm of the candidate's campaign.
More:
Melothe, Inc.'s proposal, however, further indicates that Melothe, Inc. intends to engage in core campaign activities that are not legitimate press functions. Melothe, Inc envisions that program hosts, interviewers and news anchors will regularly solicit contributions, with links to the candidate's contribution page appearing on the screen during programming. ... In these respects Melothe, Inc. would be functioning not as a press entity but as a fundraising arm of its chosen campaign.
The FEC's conclusion:
Here, the Commission finds that the purpose of the venture would be to actively participate in the chosen campaign's activities, to promote the chosen candidate and the campaign's message, and to solicit money and support on behalf of that candidate. This purpose and function cannot be viewed as normal business activity of a press entity.
If you weren't already aware, Fox News pretty much did all those things on behalf of Scott Brown.
The FEC made the correct, sensible decision in 2006 when it extended its media exemption to include bloggers, even though many of them broadcast a proud partisan voice online. There's nothing wrong with a strong editorial voice. What Fox News is doing today, however, goes so far beyond broadcasting an editorial voice, skating so close to GOP campaign management, that it should no longer enjoy the distinction of a media exemption.
Indeed, with its radical transformation into a purely political entity, Fox News has changed the rules governing politics and the press. It's time for the FEC to recognize that, look at Fox News with a fresh set of eyes, and act accordingly.





















As you point out, someone who wanted to do the same thing for the Democrats was not granted the requested exemption. I'm not sure if that was the right decision or not, nor do I fully understand the implications of that decision on that organization. They can't STOP them from broadcasting, right? So... What limits WILL they have placed on them? Particularly in light of the recent Supreme Court decsision, which will no doubt serve as the precedent should the hypothetical Fox vs. FEC ever be taken that far.
And, while I may not agree with the decision in Melothe's case, it should be obvious to any prinipled observer that the same rules must apply to all, and thus the case is at least open to brand Fox a political, rather than a news organization. And while the con's can cry about the "liberal media" all day long, never once citing any examples that come anywhere near what Fox did for Brown (or Bush, or McCain, or Palin, etc...) how long will it be before a future, hypothetical REPUBLICAN President wants to open the case on Olbermann, Maddow & Schultz and "regulate" (silence?) them in the months leading up to the an election? The logic may be applied erroniously in that case, but the Roberts court has shown an almost sycophantic pandering to the Right, so I son't put anything past them at this point.
As much as I'd LOVE to weaken Fox, I'm still not sure this is really appropriate. I guess, if the case were made and won, WHAT WOULD IT MEAN FOR FOX? And what would the CONSTITUTIONAL ramifications be?
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Interesting article though!
That being said... What DO you think about this idea? Do we really want the courts (who we both agree can be poltically manipulated) to be the ones to judge who gets free speech and who doesn't? The Robert's court has repeatedly shown that it's willing to deny free speech to individuals ("Bong hits for Jesus" ring a bell?) or at least declare that they have the right to review any and all cases to decide. (Why didn't they just say "Free Speech" and throw it out? Why?! WTF?! That case was a no-brainer and they insisted on gutting the first ammendment! ABUSRD!) And yet they have issued repeated decisions defendeing te unfettered right of CORPORATE free speech. It's disgusting.
SO, that being the case, would you REALLY want to open the door on Fox, knowing it could open the door to other, less deserving, actual news entities? And how does it jive with your view of free speech?
When it comes to campaign finances it's always a knotty issue. I personally don't see handing someone money is "free speech." I believe that speech is just that: SPEECH - TALKING, or WRITING. But SPEECH is exactly what Fox is doing! And as we know, even calling lies, the "news," is not a crime. (Thank the Renquist court for that decision!) But seriously...
Would you REALLY WANT to pursue waht Mr. Bohlert is proposing here? I sure do hate Fox, but I'm not so sure it a good idea, either practically or from a principled standpoint.
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What do you think?
Wake up people the rich and successful have always run the country, the government and the economy. If you want to run this step up work hard and become rich, run for political office or get involved in the process. I challenge you to find a poor politician in either party. They do not exist. Democrats and Republican in DC are all wealthy and have made money in some form of business (evil corporations)
I don't mind thumbs down on partisan posts. (I take them as a badge of honor, in fact!) But how can I be three in the hole on a post that just ASKS PEOPLE FOR THEIR OPINIONS?
And that doesn't really state mine, one way or the other? (Since I'm honestly not sure HOW I feel about this!)
Is it conservtaive trolls who think I should be condemning Bohlert (or didn't even bother to read it) or Liberals, ticked that I'm not overtly praising him?
WTF?! How do you p!ss someone off just by asking for their opinon?
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If I'm that far out on a limb here, I'd appreciate one of you having the decency (and spine) to tell me WHY.
Clearly you didn't see Obama's interview on fox during the campaign. That was smart politically and really helped his cause.
By the way, this is a message board. No need for spines here.
Any court challenge would drag NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN and MSNBC into the same tar pit. Probably not a fruitful path. I suggest getting replacements for O,M and Sch who are professionals and can draw listeners and/or viewers. This trio is singularly poor in that area.
B*llsh!t. No "objective" source could find Fox remotely balanced. PROOVE IT.
The ratings are not difficult to find on the Internet, so I'm not sure why the strong leftward slant of NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC and CNN isn't evenly balanced by Fox.
B*llsh!t. Proove it. Both Fox's bias and factual inaccuracy in support of that bias are matters of demonstrable fact. If you have evidence otehrwise that's "so easy to find" why don't you link to some of it?
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The only thing that Fox is "balamced" compared to is your mental health!
Additionally, the 24/7 partisan operation doesn't compare at all to the few MSNBC pundits at all. Not to mention the truth factor which Fox doesn't care about at all. Editing clips repeatedly to gin up false stories is a staple for Fox.
I believe their flagrant cheerleading and fundraising is absolutely "in kind" contributions to republicans and should be reviewed.
MSNBC was BLATANTLY shilling for Coakley.
Hypocrites...
False equivalency, BIG TIME. And, in the wise words of a friend of mine...
"It ain't no f---ing ballpark. It's ain't the same league... It ain't even the same f---ing sport!" ~Jules Winfield.
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IMHO
It is the same sport, the same league and the same ballpark. Unfortunately, FOX is the a single member on the opposing team. One against many and they are still winning.
OMG...
Well, for starters, because MMFA actually documents everything and quotes people in context. In other words, there's a world of difference.
THEY ARE THE SAME SITE, JUST ON DIFFERENT POLITICAL SPECTRUMS.
Stop the yelling. You look foolish enough without it.
Your answer to the article about FOX becoming a political rather than news organization (in light of the multiple examples) is to post:
"But MSNBC did the same."
This is an argument?
Frankly, I tend to agree in part with the point your are (very poorly) trying to make. Corporate influence of "news" organizations (and don't forget that the owners of FOX have corporate interests) can be found at FOX and MSNBC and all the other "main-stream" media outlets.
To counter the point being made by FOX with a "them-too" argument is just stupid. You should have argued that other MSM outlets are just as biased as FOX but in different ways. FOX openly calls for contributions to their supported candidates, while other networks (such as MSNBC and CNN) create managed news shows and stories where the information is filtered through an ideological prism. Perhaps not as crudely done as FOX beating the drum for contributions, but (in the long run) just as destructive to our democratic society.
You really should try a bit harder if you want anyone to take your arguments seriously (unless you are just here to show off; in which case have fun...)
and uneducated
"I wanted to apologize for calling Senator-elect Scott Brown an "irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, tea bagging, supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees." I’m sorry, I left out the word "sexist.""
- Keith Olbermann 1/19/10
Now that's a smear.
What Olbermann did was state his OPINION. Can an opinion even BE false? Fox went beyond stating their OPINION. They cropped quotes, manipulating it to make her appear as if she was saying somethign that wasn't. (And Olbermann did not back up his opinon with false ANYTHING. Brown's ammemdment was what it was. And it was not only sexist, but unconstitutional and utterly despicable.)
So, fine, both Fox and MSNBC smeared. But only Fox lied.
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I refer you to the Bush National Guard story. We knew the documents were forged, but we believed the story was accurate.
THIS is the truth to you?
By the way, Fox showed both speeches in their entirity after the election.
You libs should be alarmed that Fox almost had 7 million viewers that night. The independents that Obama won in '08 are long, LONG gone.
Using terms like "Libs" and continuing to defend FOX really just marks you as a hack. If you want to argue for a position and get people to think outside their own ideological box (both "wingnuts" and "libs" tend to be dogmatic in this way) you need to make better arguments and not degenerate into name calling.
Again, if all you want to do is show off then keep posting as you are doing, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously.
"Libs" is short for liberals, and has nothing to with wingnuts or radical, etc. How in the world is that derrogatory? Again, that's nothing compared to the vitriolic words about conservatives I read here every day. Liberals changed their names to "progressives", why? Certainly not because of conservatives calling liberals "Libs"....ponder that one.
Showing off? C'mon. As soon as I took an opposing view from you MMFA spoon-feeders, you ceased taking me seriously.
Uh-oh, I think the term "spoon-feeders" is derrogatory! Oh no! Dang conservative show-offs!
Just trying to have a laugh at your expense...Hahaha...ha....*ahem*.
If you believe the crap on Fox, you are no conservative and people who disagree with you are not necessarily "libs," they just disagree with your opinion. I know, hard to believe, but it's true.
Would you mind showing me where MMFA tells us which position to take? On any issue?
They point out demonstrable falsehoods that poke holes in your agenda. They don't advocate for positions. Don't believe me? Here are some examples. I defuy anyone here to prove me wrong:
Global Warming: The defend the science, but shen me they say "WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT IT." (THAT'S a policy position. Arguing for the SCIENCE is not.)
FOX NEWS: They criticise their journalistic integrity, not their conservtaive positions. It's not the bias, or even the message, but the blatant FLASEHOODS broadcast as NEWS that's the problem here. (And the lack of any journalistic principles.)
Taxes / Deficit / Stimulus: They have shown how certain broadcasters' views are contrary to the majority of leading ecopnomists, but they don't advocate for "higher taxes" or "more spending" or anythign like that. Again: They don't take a POLICY POSIOTION. They point out how the info as presetned by [you lot] is incomplete, misleading or demonstrably false.
In short: THEY DON'T TELL US WHAT TO THINK, or advocate for specific policies. That's what FOX and AM TALK RADIO does for YOU GUYS. And there's another way MMFA differes from FOX...
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The info presentred here is ACCURATE.
Let's break this down:
"irresponsible" - Opinion, but yes I do believe that the GOP's actions for about the past 30 years or so bear this out.
"homophobic" - Questionable. He doesn't explicitly challenege MA's same-sex marriage law, and he won't change the constitution to BAN it, but he also opposes overturnign DoMA, so, yeah, I'll agree there.
"racist" - His idea of 'immigration reform' means closign the border, so... still good.
"reactionary" - Anothoer word for "Republican," "Right-Wing" or "Conservtaive" these days. Plus he's been overly sympathetic to religion IMHO (e.g.: that ER ammendment he pushed) so, while a bit over the top, harldy demonstrably false.
ex-nude model - This is true.
tea bagging - In the political sense, this may or may not describe the MAN, bur it sure describes his SUPPORTERS, to whom he know oes his JOB.
"supporter of violence against women" - I'll go back to that unconsionable ER ammendment RE emergency contraception, but KO might have had someting else in mind.
"and against politicians with whom he disagrees" - Again, he failed to repudiate some very loud supporters of his, agreed iwth them in factm, at least at first, who advocated for "violent acts" against Coakley.
Put altogether, it may not appear ot be a very diplomatic summary, and KO was a bit over the top putting it thiw way, but...
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SHOW ME HOW ANY OF IT IS INDEFENSIBLE!
So, what was it that Olbermann said that was false?
Admitting that Olbermann's comments were a bit over-the-top, even if true, does not really have anything to do with the topic at hand. Fox gave Brown an unfettered forum to conduct his campaign. He requested donations and asked for volunteers. Pretty shaky ground for an alleged "news" network. It should be investigated by the FEC.
...but none of you have a problem with the CONSTANT Obama exposure given to him during the '08 campaign and all the interviews he did last year, where I don't think ANY of them were by Fox News.
No one's questioning the credibility of the MSM networks. They lost their credibility years ago.
Next????
(Oh, and Fox, no matter how much it wants to try to distance itself, is part of the so-called MSM. If it weren't, it wouldn't constantly be comparing itself to the "MSM" and crowing over how it is beating the "MSM" in the ratings. [only on cable, BTW.]
come on, these folks are rush limbo puppets.
Their degree of deceitfulness is truly breathtaking - unless you accept the premise most Progressives have some sort of mental disorder as so many of us normal thinking people have come to realize. There really is no other way to logically explain how goofy Leftists think (for example why on earth do they not want to fight Muslin terrorism to the best of our ability? How can they so casually just throw their family and friends 'under the bus'?)
"their brains aren't wired properly"
"most Progressives have some sort of mental disorder"
"us normal thinking people"
"goofy"
No, no... not "goofy!" That stings...
As for your nonsense on terrorism... Why just the Muslims? Why don't we fight TERRORISM to the best of our ability? (Or are you OKAY giving the McVeigh's and Von Brun's and Roeder's of the world a pass just because they're Christian, Tea-bag types? Where was this zeal to fight "Muslim terrorists to the best of our ability" when Bush decided to invade Iraq? Nothing has hampered the war on terror more that that one, single, expensive, senseless, inexplicable BOONDOGGLE.
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You people are the crazy and deceitful ones. (Not to mention gullible.) Why don't you try thinking for yourself for a change instead of just spitting out what Fox news spoon-feeds you?!
As for examples of leftist ignoring the facts that are plainly presented to them. I have one, do you own a mirror?
Note: The majority of the military is conservative also, but I guess you believe they are evil also.
By providing these types of "sources" you are proving my point of not having all your mental faculties.
Get back to me when you can provide an independent source.
BTW: You do as Blowhart does. He uses almost ALL MMFA links to "prove" his point, thus invalid.
Your problem is a common one among conservatives: You evaluate evidence against your ideology. We do it the other way around. Being "Liberal" doesn't make someone wrong. (Neither does being conservtaive.) That's the way YOU GUYS think. What make you wrong are the lousy arguments and false, made up "facts" and b*llsh!t you use to support your positions.
You'll find that reality and facts (not to mention science and history) have a stong "liberal bias". If you ever choose to actually look at them and take them at face value, that is. (As opposed to manipulate the facts to fit your positions, rather than the other way around.)
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And THANK YOU for your kind comments about my blog. There is scant praise hagher than to recieve rejection from those whom are beneth you.
I wasn't gonna reply to this stupid comment by you Eddie, but I suppose I must explain to you naive types. You see, Muslim terrorism represents at least 99% of all terrorism. To normal thinking people, we focus on the 99% first then go after the 1% later. The fact I must tell you this speaks volumes about how ignorant you are.
Regarding Iraq, did you know we killed at least 70,000 Muslim terrorists in that country (and, guess what? Not a one of them was Christian!)? That is 70,000 terrorists who would have loved to blow you and yours to smithereens - but you stupidly could care less about you and yours. And you had absolutely no compassion for the 25 million Iraqi's who suffered under Saddam's dictatorship. Have you not heard about the half million or so he butchered under his regime? Why no empathy from the supposed leftist you are, Eddie? Or do you have empathy for only Muslim terrorists? Bush freed 50 million people and you give him no credit. This is why you are such a hypocrite (well, one of many reasons). You are truly deplorable and feeble.
LOL. What a bunch of b*llsh!t. What exactly is your (or whomever came up with that number)'s deifinition of a terrorist? ANYONE who attacks us, even as we invade thier country? (Sorry - Any MUSLIM who attacks us?) How many of them had no problem with us at all, and weren't going to do anything to us until we showed up on their doorstep, armed and un-invited? Al-Qauaeda had NO PRESENCE in Iraq AT ALL before we went there. Saddam Hussein was a stalwart against the extremists, whom he saw as a threat to his power. Taking him out, and acting as we did, CREATED many of the terrorists you claim we killed!
Not to mention,taking out Saddam made Iran stronger! He was the historic counter-balance to their influence in the region. (And strengthening Iran, strengthens their ally in the North, Syria, which weakens Lebenon (a potentially ally) and Isreal's (an ally's) positions.)
It also diverted huge resources away from Afgahnistan, a war than we could have ended back in 2003 or 2004 if we hadn't gone on this boondoggle. (Not to mention that we'd have Bin Laden's and Al-Zawiri's and Mullah Omar's heads stuck on spikes in the Smithsonian by now!)
And as we got stuck in the Iraq quagmire, Al-Quaeda and other groups has sprouted up (or blown stuff up) all over the world: Yemen, Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipines, Spain, UK, Pakistan, Nigeria, Solmalia, etc... just to name a few. Can we go after them? Not easily. Not with 40% of our forces commited to Iraq and 40% commited to Afganistan. We're not left in a very flexible position, fighting a was like that.
BOTTOM LINE: Do you think there are MORE or LESS people in the world that hate us now (or post-Iraq) than who hated us on 9/11/2001? Bush's "strategy" (or lack there of) has shown time and time again to be seriously counter-productive.
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Iraq was a stupid, counter-productive tactic, supporting a poitnless and otherwise questionable strategy. The fact that we killed a bunch of people there is immaterial.
Maybe you should watch other networks besides MSNBC for once. Iran's central government almost collapsed in revolt after their last sham of an election, and the protest movement is still going on today. Evidently, Iranian people want the freedom to choose their "elected" leaders that we provided their neighbors.
Apparently, you have as little knowledge of the various religious sects in Iraq as Bush did.
In fact, Saddam and his cronies were all a member of the Ba'ath party.
Apparently, you have just as much knowledge as the person you said had little knowledge on this subject.
Try wiki, it will save you in the future.
Every President for the last 60 years played Bagdad and Tehran off of one another. And Iran was kept in check primarily because they feared Saddam. Now there's a largely Shiite gov't in Iraq that's far more sympathetic to Iran that the Sunni, Secular Gov't of Saddam ever was. (They fought a war against one another, remember?) Why do you think we backed Saddam, back in the 80's? He was a counter-balance to Iran. Iran doesn't fear anyone in the region now. We turned their worst enemy into on of there best friends.
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How has Iran NOT gotten stronger? Try listening to more than just Fox news!
I want to see WMD'S that dirty dick talked about.....where the heck are they.
Maybe Lizbo can answer this ?
Wow!
Even for you this is really stupid. If you are trying to make a rational point you need to try and put a lid on such stupid comments. It really detracts from your arguments.
Iraq, before our unnecessary and unprovoked invasion, was a secular country. It was a secular dictatorship ruled by a man who was the ENEMY of the radical Muslims. You know who was put in Saddam's prisons? Radical Muslims who threatened his rule. Bin Laden and al Qaeda considered Hussein an "infidel."
I don't know where you got this crap, but you are incorrect.
I fully supported and continue to support our efforts in Afghanistan. If you were truly concerned with terrorism, you would be furious like I was when Bush pulled resources out of that effort and poured them into an invasion of a country which had not attacked us, threatened to attack us and which did not even have the MEANS to attack us.
Wow!
But they rely on facts, something you seem to avoid at all costs.
"They always slam me for not providing "source" info while they themselves spout the left wing trash they have been fed without providing source info."
Actually, they are providings sources, and independent ones. You apparently just don't feel like reading them. It is also interesting to note in the quote above that you don't deny your lack of providing source info...
Bravo, sir.
This network and the Breitbarts of this world are like 2-year old seeing just how much they can get away with. These people are under no delusions that what they do is meaningful, accurate or unmotivated by greed. They will continue escalating their antics until it costs them money.
WHEN MIKE STEELE SAYS IDIOT THINGS RUSH PUTS CHAINS ON HIM.
WHEN MSNBC SAYS WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE NEEDS TO DO, NOTHING GETS DONE.
SO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ?
Does ALL OF FIX NEWS coverage = GOP/CONSERVA-IDIOTS campaign contribution?
Certainly that cable channel IS a partisan campaign contribution.
Deathly totalitarian government 'regulator executives' nor legislators ARE NOT going to enforce reporting the contribution$$$ by that cable channel.
Regulation: DO IT OURSELVES -- BOYCOTT Pay TV (cable or dish).
It's easy, it's kinda fun. Call the cable co and say,
"I'm not going to pay it NO MORE. NO MORE contributing to FUX News contributing to campaigns of fascism.
BREAK the Cable BUNDLE.
I can buy my TV supply piece-by-piece on internet.
Make FUX News addicts alone pay for their poison."
BOYCOTT Bundled Pay TV.
(Bankrupt the totalitarian extremist rightwing, which started and grew since 1975 only due to cable TV bundling -- the cash cow with the milk of politics that put Robertson, Falwell, Reagan, Limbaugh ... Scott Brown into office.)
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I would pay for MSNBC just for the entertainment purposes. Matthews and Oberman are very funny.
Corporations, including Fox News Inc., is free to spend from their general treasury to advocate for any politician. The only permissible regulations a state or the federal government can impose are disclosure requirements.
This is the decision that we all should be outraged about!
However, the Supreme Court has now allowed corporations to engage in unfettered free speech and to spend unlimited amounts of money supporting or attacking candidates. They don't have to work indirectly through networks like FOX or CNN or MSNBC and can now just openly create propaganda. If a network won't run the propaganda piece as news then time can be purchased (we are talking of organizations that can spend hundreds of millions of dollars without blinking).
Directly contributing under the FEC guidelines is a quaint notion which will soon be unused. Why give money directly to a candidate when you can get one elected with a large-scale propaganda campaign (relying on the "News" organizations to never point out the lies).
Folks; the train has left the station and focusing on FOX antics is a waste of time. The new battle will be how MSM outlets will question or even critically analyze the upcoming tidal wave of corporate propaganda.
On a side note; for all you conservative lurkers, this Supreme Court decision also applies to foreign and trans-national corporations. Hate immigration reform? Corporations like it because it keeps the wages low. Expect to see corporate propaganda pieces attacking candidates that want to close the borders. Will FOX news support or reject these pro-immigration corporate propaganda pieces? Want to guess?
I am no FEC or FCC expert, but there does indeed seem a line that has been crossed by Fox since Obama was elected. I'm also curious about the use of some of the pundits, consultants and so-called experts by cable news panels. It seems to me that many of them are ultimately advocating for a political party or ideological position, not presenting any real facts. It is never made clear to the audience who is funding these experts, nor that what they are hearing is lobbying or campaigning for a position on an issue or political party. That airtime is really nothing more than an issue ad or subtle political party ad presented as news. I'd like to see this regulated somehow. Not because I don't want to hear opposing views, but because it provides opaque cover for dishonesty and spin, which isn't healthy for the country and has no place in the news. You're welcome to pitch spin, but it a) should to cost somebody something in order to provide and/or use that platform and b) needs to be disclosed to the viewer. Give the free coverage to facts, and facts only.
I'm totally uncomfortable with government trying to regulate news, but this really isn't news, it's something else. This cesspool is going to have to get cleaned up somehow, because if people can't even agree on what the basic facts of a problem are, how on earth are we going to solve the problem? How do other countries deal with this?
Read above.
I don't remember any of these ignorant profanity spouting progressives going in to spasms when the White House commissioned the NEA to propagandize the population with special policy pushing "artwork."
My favorite post was the one about boycotting bundled pay TV. Bring it on... but don't come whining to us when MSNBC and CNN fail and FOX News is the only cable news network available. I've long wished I could put together my own lineup... FOX News, FOX Business, CSPAN, a few other family favorites for the kids... I would be happy to not pay for the other garbage. Be careful what you wish for.
In conclusion, embrace the debate. Prove your metal by engaging on the battlefield of ideas, not by shutting your enemies up.
I've wondered for years why Sheer "Am i An Idiot?" InSannity's show didn't have to be counted as an in-kind contribution to the Republican Party.
InSannity actively campaigned with Dick Cheney. Time after time he hosts Republican candidates and urges listeners to contribute to their cause. Obviously, there is no balance with Democratic Party candidates.
Now, we do know that his track record is deplorable. Perhaps he should be titled "Kiss of Death" InSannity, as his endorsement is practically a guarantee of failure.
Nonetheless, this is obviously a very serious issue, it deserves serious discussion, and it got that here.
Well played!