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Palin headlines birther conference; press pretends not to notice

February 09, 2010 6:20 am ET

If you don't think there's a media double standard that favors Republicans over Democrats, then let's play a game of what-if.

What if, in 2006, at Yearly Kos, the first annual convention of liberal bloggers and their readers, organizers shelled out $100,000 for former Vice President Al Gore to address attendees? And what if the same organizers booked as an opening-night speaker a fringe, radical-left conspiracy theorist who'd spent the previous year pushing the thoroughly debunked claim that some Bush White administration insiders played a role in, and even planned, the 9-11 attacks. What if the speaker (also proudly anti-Semitic) received a standing ovation from the liberal Yearly Kos crowd?

Given that backdrop, and given the fact that the 9-11 Truther nut had for weeks bragged about his chance to share the stage with Gore, do you think the press would have demanded that Gore justify his association with a hateful conference that embraced a 9-11 Truther? Do you think pundits would have universally mocked and ridiculed Gore's judgment while condemning the Yearly Kos convention as being a hothouse of left-wing hate? Do you think Gore's appearance would have become a thing?

I sure do.

Gore and liberal bloggers would have been crucified by the press and the D.C. chattering class if the scenario I described ever unfolded in real life. (FYI, it goes without saying that organizers for Yearly Kos, now known as Netroots Nation, would never dream of mainstreaming an anti-Semitic 9-11 Truther via a prime-time speaking gig.)

But this past weekend in Nashville, at the first National Tea Party Convention, the Beltway press did just the opposite with regard to Sarah Palin's keynote address, which did follow a prime-time speech by "birther" nut Joseph Farah, who over the years has carved out a uniquely hateful and demented corner of the right-wing blogosphere. Because, yes, at the Tea Party convention, Farah, a proud Muslim-hater and gay-hater, did receive a standing ovation from the conservative crowd after he unfurled his thoroughly debunked birther garbage. (i.e. Obama "doesn't have a birth certificate.") And Farah did brag in the weeks leading up to the event about his chance to share the stage with Palin, to associate with Palin. ("Sold out! Palin-Farah ticket rocks tea-party convention," read the headline at Farah's discredited right-wing site, WorldNetDaily.com.)

Worst of all, though, the press played dumb about the whole thing.

Fact: Virtually nobody in the corporate media said boo about Palin helping to legitimize Farah by sharing the same stage with him. She was given a total free ride.

And I mean nobody. According to Nexis, there were more than 150 newspaper articles and columns published in the U.S. last week that mentioned both Palin and the Tea Party. (Combined, The New York Times and The Washington Post published 18 of them.) Yet out of all those articles and columns, exactly two also mentioned Joseph Farah by name. (Congrats to the Philadelphia Daily News and New Hampshire's Concord Monitor.)

And keep in mind that lots of scribes, even after listening to Farah's rambling rant, filed dispatches from Nashville stressing how mellow and mainstream the Tea Party convention was turning out to be. According to the Post, the mood at the Nashville confab was "festive, even giddy." And no, not a single word in the Post dispatch mentioned Farah's high-profile birther harangue.

Bottom line: The birther movement embarrasses most conservatives. Yet even when they invite a birther nut to speak at their conference, the press still won't ask tough questions. Instead, journalists politely look away.

It didn't used to work that way. There's been a long media tradition of holding politicians accountable for their public associations, especially when they appear at conventions that feature fringe rhetoric from controversial speakers. Reporting on who politicians agree to share a stage with has always been considered not only fair game, but genuinely newsworthy.

It's just that in this instance, the press gave Palin a complete and unobstructed free ride, a free ride Al Gore never would have been afforded.

In fact, the stage-sharing question was actually of added importance at the Tea Party event, because the movement remains somewhat undefined, since, unlike a political party, it does not have obvious leaders. The people Tea Party organizers choose to associate with provide telling insight into where the movement might be headed.

As Joel Mathis at Philadelphia Weekly wrote last week (emphasis in the original):

Whenever liberals point out some of the nuttier stuff at the Tea Party gatherings -- the racist signs, the comparisons of Obama to Hitler or the talk of revolution and secession -- Tea Party sympathizers offer a couple of excuses: The nutty stuff is at the fringe, not really representative of the group as a whole and it's not fair that you focus on that! Or that the whole thing amounts to political theater, not to be taken that seriously.

But this convention is making it harder for a reasonable observer to distinguish between the nuts and the mainstream. They're all on the same stage together.

I realize some people will take issue with my headline and my claim that the Tea Party gathering in Nashville was a "birther conference." They'll claim the controversial topic was not the dominant issue addressed at the event and that I'm trying to tar a mainstream movement with the distasteful fringe. And that's why there was no reason for the press to dwell on the issue over the weekend.

Baloney.

I'm not the one making the birther connection. It was the Tea Party convention planners who made the conscious decision to place the topic front and center. Face it, when organizers invite a high-profile birther disciple to address the entire convention, and when he receives a standing ovation after pushing the birther craziness, then they're hosting a birther conference. End of story. (And that's when the press should have taken note.)

And can we please retire the media-sanctioned Republican defense that the racially tinged birther crusade represents a tiny, misguided element of the conservative movement? That's more baloney. Birthers have been mainstreamed, thanks to the GOP Noise Machine. How else would you explain the fact that more than 60 percent of self-indentified Southern Republicans either believe Obama was not born in America or aren't sure?

Birthers have hit critical mass, which became blindingly obvious over the weekend when mainstream GOP star Sarah Palin spoke at a convention that rolled out the red carpet for the No. 1 birther cop.

Again, if Tea Party organizers didn't want the conference to be viewed as a birther clearinghouse, then they shouldn't have invited Farah, whose only real claim to fame in the past year has been his increasingly deranged obsession with Obama's birth certificate. (FoxNews.com on Farah: His "raison d'etre of late has been to challenge Obama's eligibility to be president.")

But they did invite him.

If Tea Party organizers had pangs of guilt after Farah's speech, they could have denounced his comments. Sure, it would have been incredibly hypocritical, since, again, they invited Farah, and everyone in the Nashville ballroom knew what he was going to talk about. But if organizers wanted, for purely political reasons, to retroactively distance themselves from the debunked conspiracy theory, they could have done that.

But nobody did.

Keep in mind that there was online speculation Saturday that conference leaders were going to hold a press conference to downplay the birther angle.

But the press conference never happened.

There was also speculation that Palin might show some courage Saturday night and, from the Tea Party stage, create her own Sister Souljah moment and denounce the birther garbage.

But Palin did not. (Recall that in December, Palin told a radio host the public was "rightfully" making an issue about Obama's birth certificate and that she didn't "have a problem with that." Farah's WND used her comments to highlight its prior "reporting" on Obama's birth certificate and sell its birther swag.)

And wait, didn't conservative media activist Andrew Breitbart call out Farah at the Tea Party convention?

Didn't Breitbart denounce the birther crusade as a "self-indulgent," "narcissistic" "losing issue"? Well, yeah, but that happened outside the convention hall, and out of view of the conventioneers -- not exactly a profile in courage. Meaning Breitbart was reportedly "grumbling audibly" about the birther stuff during Farah's speech, but when Breitbart had the convention stage to himself that night -- when Breitbart followed Farah's crazy remarks -- did Breitbart loudly denounce the birther nonsense in front of the Tea Party convention crowd?

Plus, before Breitbart gets credit for being a conservative voice of reason on the birther obsession, please note that last year, one of Breitbart's own sites, Big Hollywood, routinely pushed the "self-indulgent" birther crap. (e.g. "In Defense of the Birthers.") So it's hard to take Breitbart's sudden birther denunciations seriously.

Let's return to the original what-if scenario, just to stress that if a high-profile liberal netroots conference during the Bush years ever, ever embraced the 9-11 Truther crusade the way Palin's Tea Party convention so publicly did last weekend with birthers, the emerging online progressive movement would have instantly discredited itself in the eyes of corporate media. Adopting a one-strike-you're-out rule, journalists would have gleefully written up the netroots' obituary, denouncing the movement as unserious and unstable. And yes, they would have taken special pleasure in piling on Gore for having anything to do with such an odious event.

But Palin strolling onto the same Tea Party stage after convention-goers gave a birther fanatic a standing ovation? That's just not news, people.

Curse that liberal media!

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    • Author by a2zblue (February 09, 2010 7:28 am ET)
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      One by one, the reichwing media is picking off any outlet that doesn't toe the fascist-conservative line . . . first it was print journalism, then the MSM electronic media, and now, they're going after Olbermann, Maddow, and Stewart (they still don't know what to do about Stephen Colbert -- too funny!!), and they're attacking "Avatar" for being "un-American" and "anti-Big Biz" -- !!!!

      As a lay historian, I remember reading about Joseph Goebbels complaining that the Nazis' anti-Jew messages were playing "well" in the urban areas, but not so great in the countryside and gee, what could he/they do to make sure it got spread around better.

      What the reichwingers are doing now is the reverse of Goebbels' problem -- their message plays like gangbusters in Rural, U.S.A., but meets with a lot of skepticism in "elite" coastal/urban cities, so, what to do?

      The answer? Bully the weak-kneeed, bleeding-hearts, liberal chattering class into promoting fascism as a legitimate alternative to our current form of democracy.

      Hey, it worked for the Nazis, didn't it? And they won power with only 29% of the vote, too.
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    • Author by punkin (February 09, 2010 7:49 am ET)
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      you could say that it was all about Sarah - I mean you either love her or loath her - but that isn't really the foundation of this convention. Tancredo, Farrah, Breitbart and Palin - it was the build up to the creciendo of smear Obama. This wasn't about being fiscally conservative or curbing government growth or spending. Nope, those things were just ho-hum. The red meat is what got this angry mob to their feet, the red meat of smearing Obama.
      So why smear Obama, why the constant hate speach, what is gained there of? Perhaps it's a human nature thing - "my life sucks. I'm angry. It's all your fault my life sucks" - this could be the reasoning of the audience. The speakers are helping the crowd point that finger of blame at the enemy, Obama, and by deference, away from themselves. Like the speakers are claiming: "It's all his fault! He's the bad guy and I'm a little angel of truth"
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      • Author by tbone (February 09, 2010 8:39 am ET)
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        Lewis Rothschild: People want leadership, Mr. President, and in the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.
        President Andrew Shepherd: Lewis, we've had presidents who were beloved, who couldn't find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight. People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.

        The longer the GOP lets these nutbags hang out on the fringe with denouncing them loudly, boldly, and without fear (including Boss Hogg), the longer they stay in political exile.
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        • Author by tbone (February 09, 2010 8:40 am ET)
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          without
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        • Author by punkin (February 09, 2010 10:33 am ET)
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          Limbaugh is the de facto leader of the Republican party - he tells the policicians what they can and can't do and they better obey or they get roasted on his radio show. This radio program is gospel truth to the uneducated masses that make up the republican base.
          Limbaugh is basically telling the base that up is down and sand is water............and the damned republican politians are agreeing with him
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        • Author by heknowsitall2 (February 10, 2010 8:09 pm ET)
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          uh huh, that's why Democrats keep winning elections. Oh, wait they havenn't one anything since Obama showed up. Never mind.
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      • Author by rightwinger (February 10, 2010 11:58 pm ET)
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        Well, I like that last sentence - "It's all his fault". Where have I heard that before? Oh, yea- the gifted one - Obama. Everything is GW's fault. How many times have we heard that???
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    • Author by MickD (February 09, 2010 10:36 am ET)
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      Why? What is the reason for this kid glove treatment? The Repubs get a decided advantage in coverage so that the illusion of a two party system can stay intact? Why? Shouldn't a political party have to earn its reputation through ideas and leadership? Why do the teabaggers, Sarah, Fox News, get a pass?
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      • Author by The Lonewacko Blog (February 09, 2010 11:13 pm ET)
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        You're so right. In fact, on the way to writing this comment, I saw a couple of liberals forced to mimeograph samizdat in order to get their message out. The MSM is just like Fox News, only even less balanced.

        But, seriously: has Media Matters ever corrected their lie about the birth certificate issue? Everyone see if you can concentrate on that one issue: MMFA said something that isn't true, and they've never corrected it. That tends to cast doubt on the other things that MMFA says.

        Once again: try to just concentrate on that: MMFA said something that's objectively false (as described at the link), and they haven't corrected it.

        I trust that everyone is able to read the link, understand it, and act like grown-ups when discussing it.
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        • Author by eweston8542983 (February 09, 2010 11:49 pm ET)
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          It'd be nice if you could actually discribe the supposed lie. Couldn't actually find a quote in the source you gave.

          Obiviously you've seen this and its made no impression. Explain why.
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          • Author by The Lonewacko Blog (February 10, 2010 2:38 pm ET)
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            I'm sure most people can figure it out. I quote MMFA as saying the Hawaii Department of Health has confirmed that the birth certificate posted online by the Obama campaign is "a valid Hawaii state birth certificate" and then I point out how they're lying: the spokeswoman who said that said the exact opposite later in the same article that MMFA links to, and the HI DOH later admitted that they never authenticated the picture of a COLB shown on BHO's site.

            As for what you link to, so? Does that mean that MMFA wasn't lying?
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            • Author by eweston8542983 (February 10, 2010 8:05 pm ET)
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              The dates of your statements would be?

              I've been here for a while. I've seen many attempts to portray MMfa as lying. Usually by folks who have no truth within themselves, but plenty of ideological purity. I've found them unconvincing. You too.
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            • Author by DutchPointer (February 11, 2010 8:54 am ET)
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              Apart from Politifact.com, also FactCheck.org investigated the Certificate of Live Birth on the real document that was posted by the White House. It was a hands on investigation and they found it original and authentic. Furthermore Linda Lingle the Republican Governor of Hawaii approved the certificate and found the data on it to be authentic. The original sheet is in the archives. That has another color and it is different material and is by law not available for publication. The certificate of live birth is made up by the appropriate officers with data as they are found on the original sheet in the archive. Even the President himself can't get his hands on it. It's not said that such a document can't be falsified but a falsification will not match with the archived data as the examined document does.
              Of course nobody can authenticate a picture on a website while the HDH spokeswoman could not see the backside of the document and it is honest and smart to confess that, because there was only one copy and perhaps you do know that a document has always two sides. FactCheck showed more completely both sides and several close-ups of the details.
              Now we see that the only counter evidence is a nurse in Kenya who remembers the birth of Barack H. Obama in a Kenyan hospital. She is paid to remember that and there is some biblical logic in it, because when you do experience very closely the birth of a POTUS you will never forget such an extraordinary event. There was a star above the hospital, shepherds were in the fields and the Rolling Stones sang It's A Hard Day's Night. Such a story is worth to be paid for, but alas, it's very difficult and unbelievable that the young American mother went to Kenya by that time, because the father was already married in his homeland and she didn't know that by then. So Barack's father would have done everything in those days to do to prevent his dear Ann visiting his family. The truth is that medical care was very poor and scarce in the British colony and neither the family Obama wasn't rich nor the young couple or Stanley Ann Dunham's family. Let's face it, that it was dangerous to make such a voyage to Kenya in the last weeks of pregnancy. Also by now Kenya is ranking on the Human Development Index 147 out of 182. It was a much harder place to be in 1961. Those times were the personal hard times too and they needed all the support they could get from Ann's American family and the American facilities. By then Kenya was not the right place to be and give birth to a shining individual like Barack Husein Obama.
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        • Author by trelan1701 (February 10, 2010 12:40 am ET)
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          So you skipped over the part where WND sent one of their own staff members to Hawaii to actual hold the birth certificate in his hands and reported that it was, indeed, real (raised seal and everything)?

          Lonewacko = epic fail. Now come back to the real world with the rest of us.

          Can you find more examples of MMFA "lying" or just the one article based on incomplete information that turned out to be 100% accurate anyway.

          Also, while you're pushing conspiracies, please explain the two birth announcements in local newspapers.

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          • Author by Unreality (February 10, 2010 12:59 am ET)
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            please explain the two birth announcements in local newspapers.
            Obama has a twin?!?

            There is another.
            .................... Yoda
            /sarcasm
            Tre, don't get them started.
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          • Author by The Lonewacko Blog (February 10, 2010 2:41 pm ET)
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            WND never did what you describe; no one aside from officials has access to the cert, and AFAIK BHO has only (supposedly) shown whatever he has to FactCheck. Others have just received images of a supposed cert from the BHO campaign.
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        • Author by proudObamasupporter (February 10, 2010 8:11 am ET)
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          Act like grownups? I think politifact puts it best, I read your biased link, now how about you read an unbiased one.

          http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
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          • Author by The Lonewacko Blog (February 10, 2010 2:43 pm ET)
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            How difficult would it have been for you to find my <a href="http://24ahead.com/s/politifact">page listing Politifact's lies and misleading statements?</a> I guess I need flashing banners or something.
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            • Author by sodium (February 10, 2010 10:44 pm ET)
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              The Loonwacko Blog screeched: "I guess I need flashing banners or something. "


              Not at all, you "loon-alert" light is shining brightly enough!
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        • Author by tinka (February 10, 2010 12:38 pm ET)
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          You ARE the Idiot Fring!

          [http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/files/2010/01/tea_baggers_tshirt-p23589122325562207048t9_400.jpg]
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        • Author by sodium (February 10, 2010 10:41 pm ET)
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          by The Lonewacko Blog screeched: " has Media Matters ever corrected their lie about the birth certificate issue?"

          Its NOT an issue, loonwacko.

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        • Author by sodium (February 10, 2010 10:46 pm ET)
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          Loonwacko dribbled and said: "I trust that everyone is able to read the link, understand it, and act like grown-ups when discussing it. "


          ROFLOL! You asking us to seriously discuss a Jerome Corsi rant?


          BWAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!




          ROFLOLOLOLMFAO!!!!!!!



          hey thanks for the belly laughs, Loonwacko!!!
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        • Author by DellDolly (February 12, 2010 12:18 am ET)
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          Don't even bother - his lies are atrocious and pervasive.
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      • Author by MadRiver Jack (February 10, 2010 4:35 am ET)
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        Haven't we outgrown the need for political parties? Let's have open elections with a series of runoffs until one candidate as secured a majority of the votes.
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    • Author by bintx (February 09, 2010 10:43 am ET)
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      I'm just not understanding the coverage this nutjob is getting. Every single poll shows that she would NOT win in ANY matchup.
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    • Author by historygeek001 (February 09, 2010 12:21 pm ET)
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      Damn that liberal media!
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    • Author by draftedin68 (February 09, 2010 2:03 pm ET)
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      "playing dumb" - like a FOX

      Great article Eric.

      But, while you did use "corporate media", I really wish you and others on the side of sanity would stick "controlled" between those two words.

      There is no "main stream media" - that's a myth concocted by the CCM puppeteers to legitimize their antics.

      And control is really what really needs to see the light of day since it's control that decides who's hired, fired, assigned, edited, when they're broadcast and where they appear in the publication.

      The right bombasts like a futhermucker when a poll of non-management in the media revealed their Liberal voting patterns. What you very rarely hear, see or read is the voting pattern of media CEOs, upper management and editors.

      Hmmm... I wonder why?

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      • Author by Unreality (February 10, 2010 1:21 am ET)
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        What you very rarely hear, see or read is the voting pattern of media CEOs, ...

        Because they buy votes wholesale. Case Study: Microsoft bought the Republican congress in 2000 for about $6 million in PR & Lobbying costs. In exchange MSFT got the Bush DOJ to drop the antitrust case in 2001 they'd lost in April 2000.

        Imagine, for $6 million MSFT kept billions in net profit, a return on investment of 1,000:1, and they got to write off the $6 million a an expense. Oh yeah, MSFT had to pay $1.95 BILLION to Sun Microsystems for damages, but MSFT still kept many billions more.

        People are so busy worrying about a few illegal immigrants voting (never found any did they?) that they missed the votes that were bought.
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    • Author by bamaman9151 (February 09, 2010 3:11 pm ET)
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      What 9-11 truther is making the claim that Bush white house insiders participated in or planned 9-11? I've never heard or read anyone making that claim. Who made the claim and then who thoroughly debunked it?

      Assuming someone made that claim (I haven't seen it) what would that have to do with anti-semitism?

      I normally like your work Eric, and your premise is sound (i.e. the double stndard), but your hypothetcal scenario is not very well thought through.
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      • Author by draftedin68 (February 09, 2010 3:49 pm ET)
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        Flyschidt in the pepper...

        Are you kiddin' me? The title was of the piece was "Palin headlines birther conference; press pretends not to notice"

        Do you understand that the POINT of the article has just about zero to do with Eric's mirroring hypothetical that you're questioning?

        Sheeesh!
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        • Author by bamaman9151 (February 09, 2010 4:04 pm ET)
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          Read again.

          If you'll read closely, you'll see that I acknowledged that the premise (or POINT, as you put it) of the article was sound.

          There are very serious, sincere people with valid questions about what we do and do not actually know about 9/11, including victims and their families, and this article characterizes them all as insane anti-semites and it creates a false charicature of those concerns.

          Further, it doesn't even make sense. Let's say, just for the sake of discussion, there was someone, somewhere (I'm not aware of anyone), saying that Bush planned or was involved in 9/11 (I'm certainly not saying it, Eric said it), how would that have anything to do with anti-semitism? Is Bush Jewish and I missed it?

          I stand by my post. Not your best work Eric.
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          • Author by Ruby (February 09, 2010 5:04 pm ET)
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            I think Boehlert threw in the anti-semite thing to mirror the fact that Farah is an anti-semite.

            There are certainly loony-tune conspiracy theorists out there who think Bush planned or was somehow involved in the carrying out of the 9=11 attacks. They just haven't been mainstreamed the way that the right has mainstreamed the birthers.
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            • Author by Meremark (February 10, 2010 2:20 am ET)
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              I read bamaman saying, essentially, that for every 9/11 'conspiracy theorist' accusing Bush' there are ten 9/11 'truthers' who know the Bush-said version is a lie, not accusing anyone specifically, demanding truthful answers to questions through a new Commission for investigations with subpoena power.

              'Conspiracy theorists' are edgy, borderline, not necessarily un-crazy, and not representative of average 'truthers' -- who have valid questions, not 'conspiracy' answers.

              The 'truther' group is gaining ground against the media's barricade of 9/11 investigation. For example, here's an outspoken whistle-blower 'truther' (debuted six months ago) who can't be called "certainly loony-tune," but then, he's not a "conspiracy theorist" either, he's a 'truther.' There's a difference.

              Major General Albert Stubblebine: Towers Fell Down Because of Explosives - Posted on 29 June 2009
              Major General Albert N. Stubblebine doesn”t believe in the official conspiracy theory put forward by the Bush administration and has been a 9/11 Truth defender for many years. In a recent interview, he mentions “you look at the buildings falling, they didn”t fall down because of an airplane hit them, they fell down because explosives went off inside. Demolition. Look at Building 7 for God sakes.”
              What is it they do not want the public to know?
              Major General Albert N. Stubblebine is a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy (West Point, class of 52) who enjoyed a distinguished 32 year career in the U.S. Army.

              He retired as the Commanding General of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM).

              In is last assignment, retired Major General Albert N. Stubblebine was responsible of all of the army’’s strategic intelligence forces around the world. He had responsibilities for the signals intelligence, photo intelligence, counter-intelligence and human intelligence.

              “I do not believe the free press is free anymore [...] The press is saying what they have been told to say about this. Now do I have proof about this? No. But I believe that all the stories that were told about 9/11 were false.”
              Major General Albert N. Stubblebine III

              Perhaps it is ironic that the military man feels free and qualified to report on Press and media reporting, but not the other way around.
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          • Author by rx7ward (February 10, 2010 9:17 am ET)
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            I think you completely misunderstand the point of a "thought exercise".
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      • Author by Meremark (February 09, 2010 5:28 pm ET)
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        ... what bamaman9151 said.

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        Fair enough argument by analogy, Eric. Except where it breaks down without a link connecting 'birther nutjobs' to '9/11 truthers' as a parallel.

        As much as Farah's 'birther' bu!!sh!t banishes him-entire to the Island of Forgotten Fools, far away from the main stream, why would anyone bring back from there and go on carrying his anti-Muslim Conviction built and justified with only imaginary TV tales of hijackers?

        The difference between 'birther nutjobs' and 'Bush-said 9/11 parrots' is that the former ignores substantive documents in evidence, and the latter has none.

        TV doesn't dare betray itself by pointing a camera on 9/11 truth picket lines while every one of them shows documents prosecuting TV's bush-league lies. FOX lied first in the Legend of 9/1l and so infected fraud TV in every co-twisted channel of the cable bundle mainstream ... fooling some of the people twice who earlier fell for the 'Once upon a time in Florida' Ballot Counting Fable.

        Most of what most Americans think comes from their TV; which, when subtracted, leaves each with only inborn common sense, easily understanding that Dot 1 (Fla2K) connected to Dot 2 (9/11 tactic) connected to Dot 3 (anthrax letters tactic) draws a figure like as in themselves -- human nature plans its schemes -- and so where incidental Dots all align in benefit to one singular individual, follow the money to discover the invested capitalizer.

        As in the famous bywords used by news events watchers of CIA caliber: "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy fire" -- meaning there is simply solely one mind's motivation triggering all the bullet-pock dots on the wall of ThemTube.

        With Bushellis in the Control Room director's chair, FOX TV and its Dittoheaded purpose is to dumb-down and stupify natural common sense, which knows too much by single simplest explanation. Whoever can see Ailes and the Apostles lying in their 'birther' bu!!sh!t now, can as well see them lying in the 9/11 dust eruption and see them lying in Florida 2000 -- same as void-oath perjuries: if you've seen one, you've seen 'em all. Common sense connects the bushwhacker Dots and recognizes a human shape drawn in it, (not random blot o' rorschach happenstance).

        If 'birthers' hate Obama by ignoring evidence for him, then what evidence do they ignore in order to hate Arabs?

        Hint: The growing group of '9/11 truthers' compiles and displays such evidence a focused camera can see.

        Eric, where you want some leftwing look-alikes in juxtapose to rightwing Farah's 'birther' bu!!sh!t, just to make the indictment of devious TV programming, instead of '9/11 truthers' maybe you could choose the 'Woe, be gone!' Disney dogmatists preaching 'happy meal'y-mouth from collective pulpits far and wide saying every child is above average and is the material of champion or President ... ignoring massive evidence to the contrary.

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      • Author by trelan1701 (February 10, 2010 12:48 am ET)
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        He wasn't implying that truthers are anti-Semitic, he was setting up an equivalent example (the birther in question is a loud and proud anti-Muslim). He could have easily have said that the hypothetical truther is anti-Christian or anti-Hindu.

        The fact that the birther is anti-Muslim is almost besides the point except for the fact that a liberal associated with a person with highly publicized prejudices (think Rev. Jerimiah) would be scorched on the spot even if they didn't share the same prejudices. Which is part of the point Eric is making.
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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (February 10, 2010 9:14 am ET)
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        Liberal Lion Gore Vidal is loud and proud with the claim.

        There is a current battle of the minds between Hitchens and Vidal. The student has become the master! (In my best Vader voice)
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      • Author by tinka (February 10, 2010 12:51 pm ET)
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        Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, described the 9/11 attacks on the Twin Towers as a "suspect event"[202] and suggests that the Bush Administration was involved in 9/11.[203][204]

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#History
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    • Author by The Deacon (February 09, 2010 3:13 pm ET)
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      "Let's see a piece of paper" is equivalent to "Cheney/Bush deliberately murdered 3,000 Americans"? That's a stretch.
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      • Author by Meremark (February 09, 2010 5:44 pm ET)
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        I read that to say the "stretch" is in Eric's argument.

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      • Author by steeve (February 09, 2010 6:18 pm ET)
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        Well, it's "let's see a piece of paper that we've already seen so that we can remove the president from office". But anyway

        Boehlert had to find nutjobs on the left to make a parallel. But outside the 9/11 truthers there simply aren't any. When ordinary positions (let's do health care like the rest of the world, let's do taxes like we did in the 60s, let's punish war criminals) are painted as extreme left, extremists have no room to be crazy.
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        • Author by Meremark (February 10, 2010 1:38 am ET)
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          ... but 9/11 truthers are provably NOT nutjobs, so Boehlert should keep looking for the (missing) leftwing equivalent or parallel to rightwing goofy teabaggers and gawdforsaken Sarah. (Late breaking: apparently the White House kryptonite that weakens Palin is: Michele Michele Michele front and center.)

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          "... left, extremists have no room to be crazy."
          Exactly what I found, i.e., nothing, when I tried to think of a true leftish group enthused by ignorance of reality. Even the World Socialist Web Site sounds (exactly the opposite of rightwing derogatory) not-crazy and not-ignorant, (wsws.org), in fact, is sober serious and erudite, matching or exceeding the Christian Science Monitor in world news reporting, and equal credibility of U.S.&World-History knowledge with academic quality like the late Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky put together. That supposed 'wackiest' leftist group, the World Socialists, is instead a paragon of proper journalism; (versus Drudge, say ... where true wacko dwells).

          I couldn't think of actual leftists ignoring reality, so I used media-purported leftists ignoring reality; evoking groups like 'Protestants' or 'Baptists' or 'Keillor anti-Lutherans,' popular brands of theists who 'share the wealth' ('according to need'), while ignoring anti-evidence that the Figment in whose Name is told the Word to 'share and share-alike,' is unlikely to exist.

          I'm kinda doubtful that those 'bleeding heart' tax-free charitable-church groups are actually leftists, though -- God and Marx mix about like oil and water.

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          • Author by DellDolly (February 12, 2010 12:24 am ET)
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            9/11 truthers are as nutty as they come.

            There is NO basis, none whatsoever, to the idea that the collapse of multiple buildings on 9/11 was the result of anything other than damage inflicted on 9/11 by jets.
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            • Author by Meremark (February 12, 2010 4:31 am ET)
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              DellDolly, maybe more pictures, less reading, can aid your understanding.

              Here (and sequential), released Feb.10,2010:
              [http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/02/10/nyregion/33302055.JPG]

              shows how much energy came out of this building collapse.


              Same as this did, in 1980
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              [http://www.nationalgeographic.com/forcesofnature/interactive/resources/large_img/sthelens_03.jpg]

              and the amount of energy which came out was reported as a solid news fact:
              Energy release: 24 megatons thermal energy (7 by blast, rest through release of heat)

              How do we figure (and KNOW the FACT of) how much energy comes out? Anyone can do it: How much the dust cloud expands (the 'after' volume) beyond the size it began from (the 'before' volume) shows the proof of how much energy blasted out.

              A 9/11 building collapse blasted out energy more than 100 times the amount possible that gravity force ('squish' energy) can push on the building -- figured here.

              The Official Bush Administration 9/11 Legend, ver. 1.0, saying the buildings got squished by gravity alone proves that Sir Isaac Newton got his gravity thing wrong, because the new truth is: For some Action there is an opposite and 100-times-greater Reaction.

              Although, unlike reports of Mt. St. Helens' eruption, media reports of 9/11 collapses never actually noted the actual amount of energy actually coming out of the buildings, truly a 'News Fact' ... which anyone in high school science can readily calculate.

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        • Author by MadRiver Jack (February 10, 2010 4:56 am ET)
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          >>When ordinary positions (let's do health care like the rest of the world, let's do taxes like we did in the 60s, let's punish war criminals) are painted as extreme left, extremists have no room to be crazy.<<

          Until MSM is ready to break this paradigm, we will continue to be forced to live with these myths. And they've got to stop accepting the presentation of utter falsehoods as "That's your take on it. We'll have to leave it there."
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      • Author by MadRiver Jack (February 10, 2010 4:49 am ET)
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        "Let's see a piece of paper" implies: "I'm not satisfied with the evidence presented so far. Until such proof is presented, I am not convinced that Obama is American-born."

        Now let's re-spin you latter statement to make it equivalent to your former: "I'm not satisfied with the evidence presented so far. Until such proof is presented, I am not convinced that Bush and Cheney had no involvement in the planning & execution of the 9/11 attacks."

        voila: equivalence
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    • Author by Porkeater (February 09, 2010 4:40 pm ET)
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      Lest we forget: this whole "birther" business is just one of the more unkillable ways that haters are trying to illegitimate the Obama presidency. If the people who have the capability to kill it fail to kill it, it may kill someone.

      Here is how i would distill this article: Sarah Palin would be happy if someone murdered the president.

      Do we let this stand?
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      • Author by Meremark (February 09, 2010 6:09 pm ET)
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        It seems duplicitous to oppose Palin's self-indictment, (offhand), talking teabagger, and at the same time to support Bush's self-indictment talking 9/11; (or in same effect, oppose anti Bush-lies 'truthers').

        Charges against Palin can be made and push her over ... and as likely push over the props behind her she leans on, holding her up, namely 'Florida two thousand partisan patriotism' and 'nine-eleven partisan patriotism' ... just in charging to be ready for that leveling.

        Judging by the way partisans are taking shape -- 75% of Americans surveyed question Palin's version of reality, (25% endorse), and 75% of Americans surveyed question Bush/Cheney's version of 9/11, (25% endorse) -- there has got to be some overlap.

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        • Author by Porkeater (February 09, 2010 7:01 pm ET)
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          Sorry, not sure i understand...
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          • Author by DellDolly (February 12, 2010 12:25 am ET)
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            Yeah, I almost NEVER understand this poster's posts.
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          • Author by Meremark (February 12, 2010 3:12 am ET)
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            Porkeater asks: "Do we let this stand?"

            I say, 'no, level charges at Palin, knock her flat convicted in court.'

            And I say the process of convicting and removing her also necessarily involves convicting and removing other falsehoods, and fraudulent supporters, which is the base she climbed on top of, astride, Colossus-like, and where she is standing ... and we better not let.

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      • Author by dogbreath (February 09, 2010 10:43 pm ET)
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        The tea-bag crowd may have problems with government spending. Frankly, I don't know an American citizen, right or left, who believes all the spending is good. We all have issues with it. What diffentiates this crowd from others is their blind willingness to believe every thing they are fed about Obama and his administration. Their hatred is based upon a false ideal, of a country that never really existed, except in their minds. They want a small government that, in reality, hasn't existed in their lifetimes. They want white people, "real Americans," as Palin has said, to control politics and economics. Everyone else can just go to hell, because, according to tea-bagger mentality, those folks haven't worked hard enough, aren't patriotic enough and don't believe in God enough.

        This entire movement has been unleashed and is continually fed a diet of paranoia, hate and lies. The entire thing was hatched and encouraged to grow by the right. Now, it is now passed the point of being controlled because IT is largely controlling the Republican party.
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    • Author by Matt Osborne (February 09, 2010 4:48 pm ET)
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      See, that's why I "snuck" inside the convention center and didn't go through the media liaison to make this video. The whole idea of submitting to der kommissar's watchful eye just rankled. Of course, because I didn't identify myself as press and go through "proper channels," I was denounced as "unprofessional" and threatened with arrest.

      Let that sink in: I took a single page out of the O'Keefe-Breitbart manual and got called unprofessional and threatened with arrest for doing so.
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    • Author by u2canfail (February 10, 2010 11:29 am ET)
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      Civics and litteracy test? Perfect, but not for voters. That would be unconstitutional. A CIVICS and LITERACY TEST for ALL POLITICIAN's before running for office, speaking in public, or maybe even staying in office! Petition Congress now.

      Ms Sarah has already failed.
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    • Author by monahbenge (February 10, 2010 6:29 pm ET)
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      I came across this on political wire after I checked gallup (Obama 51% favorable to 41% unfavorable). Don't know if it is true because I didn't notice the bracelet. Does anyone know?

      February 10, 2010

      Palin's Bigger Blunder
      While everyone was focused on notes Sarah Palin apparently wrote on her hand over the weekend, Iraq and Afghanistan veteran Eric Robertson says he noticed the black bracelet on her wrist.

      "The name on her black memorial bracelet -- one, like the gold star, a demonstration of a friend or associate who was killed in action -- is that of her oldest son, Track. Track served honorably in Iraq, and both he and his parents should be thanked for his selfless service to his country. He is also alive.

      "Commemorating Track's service by wearing a black memorial bracelet which is reserved for those dead or even a red bracelet for those missing in action, demonstrates a horrifying contempt for those who gave their last full measure of devotion or an almost unbelievable ignorance of the importance of symbols in American history..."

      "Sarah Palin, please take off the bracelet. Be thankful you have no reason to wear it."


      Read more: http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/02/10/palins_bigger_blunder.html#disqus_thread#ixzz0fAFK7NAI
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    • Author by surfrat (February 10, 2010 7:50 pm ET)
         
      Classic Palin campaign tee. Check it out.
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    • Author by ice9 (February 11, 2010 7:10 pm ET)
         
      Obviously Farah hasn't seen this copy of Obama's long-form birth certificate yet! And this smoking-gun-hot actual real-life scan of his real birth announcement! This story is not over, folks! I just can't understand why this didn't come up at the tea thing.

      ice9
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    • Author by kyle b.c. (February 11, 2010 10:44 pm ET)
         
      because anytime a mainstream news outlet points out the racist, birther stuff that flows from the Tea Party movement, or dares to paint it in a negative light, they are accused of liberal bias. the other night Bill O'Reilly was complaining because, according to him, there were only two positive stories written about the Tea Party convention and a thousand negative ones (which i'm sure is more than a slight exaggeration). then he went on to accuse the mainstream media of hating Tea Party movement and attempting to discredit them by pointing out the racist, birther stuff which, according to him, only represents a small minority of the Tea Party fringe. this is why the mainstream media treats them with kid gloves; fear of being accused of liberal bias. as a reader pointed out the other day: truth has a liberal bias.
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