A bad week for conservative whining about not being taken seriously
The Washington Post picked the wrong week to run a lengthy op-ed excoriating liberals for being condescending to conservatives. Not that there would have been a good week to run University of Virginia professor Gerard Alexander's screed, which was filled with more holes than a donut shop.
Alexander began by asserting that "liberals, to a degree far surpassing conservatives" are condescending -- a claim about the relative quantity of condescension on each side that he never even attempted to support with anything beyond his own assertions that he is correct.
He then moved on to providing examples of liberal condescension that, well, aren't. Like President Obama's statement that some opponents of health care reform are peddling fear of a "Bolshevik plot." That is happening, and Alexander made no effort to explain why pointing it out constitutes condescension. Instead, he moved on to his next example: Obama's statement that he and his allies need to do a better job of "speaking directly to the American people about what their core values are" -- the kind of utterly unremarkable comment politicians of all stripes make whenever the political winds seem to shift against them. And those two examples -- neither of which is actually an example of condescension -- are the ones Alexander chooses to lead off his argument. That is not a good sign.
It was, however, representative of Alexander's argument, which consisted largely of identifying "four major narratives" liberals promote about conservatives -- narratives that Alexander seems to think are condescending, but which are not. Like this:
The first is the "vast right-wing conspiracy," a narrative made famous by Hillary Rodham Clinton but hardly limited to her. This vision maintains that conservatives win elections and policy debates not because they triumph in the open battle of ideas but because they deploy brilliant and sinister campaign tactics.
Yeah ... that isn't condescension. Neither is this: "It is now an article of faith among many liberals that Republicans win elections because they tap into white prejudice against blacks and immigrants." (And if Alexander is going to convince anyone that is a condescending belief for liberals to hold, he might want to have a few words with Ken Mehlman, who -- as chairman of the Republican National Committee in 2005 -- admitted the GOP had exploited "racial polarization" for decades.)
In short, Alexander offers a series of liberal criticisms of conservatives, which he mistakes for condescension. Those criticisms can, of course, be made in ways that are condescending. But that isn't what Alexander argues -- he argues that they are inherently condescending. They aren't -- not unless we want to rob the word of all meaning.
And all the while, Alexander pretends that conservatives only rarely make condescending statements -- and even then, the statements tend to come from the movement's fringes. It's as though he's never heard the patronizing, mocking comments about "community organizers" and effete coastal elites -- or he thinks his readers haven't. As though he's never heard Rudy Giuliani give a speech. Or Sarah Palin. Or Karl Rove. Or seen Bill O'Reilly dismiss liberals as "pinheads."
So running Alexander's poorly-considered piece -- which, it should be noted, the Washington Post solicited -- would have been a mistake at any time. What makes this week, in particular, so bad? Well, it certainly doesn't help that it ran the morning after Sarah Palin's speech at the Tea Party convention in Nashville, in which she mockingly asked the 69 million Americans who voted for Barack Obama, "How's that hopey, changey stuff working out?" Now, that's condescending.
But the bigger problem is that Alexander's piece ran at the beginning of a week in which the conservative media did everything it could to justify every drop of condescension liberals can possibly muster. Some arguments are so brazenly stupid that to treat them as though they have merit is to participate in the dumbing-down of public discourse to an extent that can only lead to ruin.
And that's what the right-wing media narrative that a few days of snow in February disproves global warming is -- brazenly and willfully stupid. Not because it contradicts the overwhelming scientific consensus, but because of the way in which it does so. It pretends short-term weather is more meaningful than long-term climate changes. It privileges small sample sizes over large. It's like using a single baseball game to argue that Mark Whiten is the best hitter in the history of the game -- he had 4 home runs and 12 RBIs! Or pointing to the fact that Bill Gates doesn't have any money in his left jacket pocket as evidence that he's poor. Or flipping a coin, seeing that it comes up heads, and concluding that flipped coins always land heads-up. It's absolute nonsense.
And conservatives have been gleefully peddling this quackery all week.
Among the culprits: Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, The Washington Times, Sean Hannity, Andrew Breitbart's Big Government, Glenn Beck, and Human Events. Not to mention other conservative leaders like Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, Sen. Jim DeMint, and Newt Gingrich.
Now, I'm sure that Gerard Alexander would try to argue that Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, the Washington Times, the Senate Republican Leader, and Newt Gingrich are not representative of the conservative movement. That's essentially what he did during a Washington Post online Q&A whenever anyone brought up examples of condescending conservatives: He stipulated to the examples, but asserted they weren't representative, often asserting by way of evidence that National Review doesn't engage in the tactics in question. So, apparently National Review is the only example he'll accept for his rigged little game. Fine by me. National Review's Deroy Murdock, Tom Gross, and Greg Pollowitz (again and again and again) have all dabbled in cold-weather-disproves-global-warming nuttiness.
The next time the Washington Post wants to promote an inane column asking "Why are liberals so condescending?" (and, sadly, I'm sure there will be a "next time") they should try it in a week in which the nation's leading conservative media voices aren't quite so busy demonstrating why liberals have reason to be more condescending.
Jamison Foser is a Senior Fellow at Media Matters for America, a progressive media watchdog and research and information center based in Washington, D.C. Foser also contributes to County Fair, a media blog featuring links to progressive media criticism from around the Web, as well as original commentary. You can follow him on Twitter and Facebook or sign up to receive his columns by email.




















The WaPoo might have a long wait. That week (if it comes) will be known as "Hell Froze Over Week".
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Grear article, as always, Mr. Foser!
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IMHO
I guess what I'm saying is: I'll stop making them look stupid as soon as they don't need my help to look smart!
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Or, as Adlai Stevenson put it, "When they stop telling lies about us, we'll stop telling the truth about them."
You can't analyze yourself very well. When someone attempts to do so you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. Perhaps there may be SOMETHING to it. Food for thought, anyway. And if my words have raised your hackles, doesn't that alone show that you identify too strongly with the label, "liberal". It's just one of many ways to filter the fluid thing that is existence-and with all labels, it leaves out most what it is even trying to describe.
Sincerely,
The Independent
Like I said though, I agree with your point. Individuals on each side have made a habit of treating their opposition like morons. And that type of discourse is unhelpful and counterproductive.
The group that typically makes ad hominem attacks is the right. I could argue quite effectively that this is the case, but your mind is closed, so I am not going to waste my time. You aren't worth it.
You have no idea what you're talking about. And hopefully this is the first and the last time we'll be forced to hear YOUR condenscension.
A conservative Supreme court would have wiped out, not just the precedents that stood between making the legal construct of the corporation equivalent to a living human individual, but instead, would have gone back to 1886 (for details why, see http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/history_corporations_us.html).
Conservative politicians would value the small business that create around 65% of all US jobs, rather than abandoning them in favor of mega-corporations whose sole acts of "innovation" are, most often, to merely buy and absorb the small companies that do innovate.
A conservative constituency would value ALL amendments of the Constitution; and it would value the original intent of the 14th amendment, rather than cheer its usage to erode states' constituent-favoring control over corporate charters.
A conservative person would value liberty in ALL areas of life, not merely call for increased social controls while eliminating any and all rule of law over the legal constructs of corporations; a conservative person would not try to circumvent the separation of church and state to impose his or her own sectarian views upon all other citizens; and a conservative person would not seek to sever, for the sake of monetary profit for a very tiny minority, the entire social contract between business and community that was extolled by Franklin and other of this nation's founders.
What is called "conservativism" today seems to me to have little that is conservative about it - what I see is more of a call to raze, an urge to slash and burn, a desire to apply Scorched Earth tactics, and then establish an Orwellian New Order in the image of the Inquisition, but with a profit-obsessed corporate monopoly as the new Church Authority. What I see in today's "conservativism" is, in short, everything that it accuses the "liberals" of doing and becoming, aside from the minor detail of replacing Mao/Stalin with Franco/Pinochet.
They deserved it then and they deserve it now.
Sorry Charlie..... or am I dating myself?
Palin unleashes her "hopey changey" quip in a shrill kindergarten voice, as if addressing five year olds.
But it's Obama and liberal who address the issues head on and make no assumptions of intellect that are condescending their audience.
Actually, condescension is a strange creature. The less intelligent a person is, the more likely they are to stoop to condescending their audience, as a means of elevating their own intellectual position relative to the world.
In other words, Bush and Palin are C students address the A and B students as if they are D and F students. Insecurity, plain and simple.
Randy
But he doesn't have the right to claim that it was a hit-and-run when the driver stopped, helped Treacher contact his friends on the driver's cell phone, and gave the cops his contact info. It wasn't a hit-and-run in any way shape or form. Treacher didn't KNOW that the guy who helped him make a phone call was from the car that hit him - but his lack of knowledge of who that guy was when he made the phone call doesn't make it a hit-and-run. And Treacher didn't know at first that the driver gave the cops his contact info. But he had NO evidence that it was a hit-and-run, yet he still made that accusation, and then others reported it without doing ANY investigation first to ensure that it was true.
And he doesn't have the right to lie about what he said immediately after the accident about it being the Secret Service having hit him. That's what he thought, either because he misunderstood what was told to him OR because he was misinformed by the EMT's and/or bystanders. And that's fine - he was wrong, but not because he was trying to misinform people. But then he denied that he initially and immediately declared that it was the Secret Service. He did.
And the rightwing bloggers and reporters who took his story as gospel and failed to do any research to learn who it was that actually hit him? They failed to do the jobs they should have done.
And Eric Boehlert has explained this in about a half a dozen ways, and these fools are STILL whining about how Treacher isn't being given the deference he deserves, and these rightwingers are still pushing the misinformation that's been debunked... and still they want to be taken seriously?
You have to DESERVE to be taken seriously. Often they don't.
I have a funny feeling the tide is about to turn.
Anyone who could handle the Clinton machine and become president can figure out and destroy the just say no Republicans.
The championship rounds begin Feb. 25.
Obama will try bipartisanship about three hundred thousand more times. If he had his eyes open at all in the 90s, he wouldn't have tried it once.
What that means, who knows.
House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said Tuesday night he's concerned that a bipartisan healthcare meeting at the White House this month could be a "trap" for the GOP.
Boehner said he's skeptical to a degree about the purpose of a Feb. 25 meeting with President Barack Obama and congressional leaders in both parties to try and hammer out some bipartisan consensus on health reform.
"I want to have this bipartisan conversation, but I want it to be productive and I want it to be real. I don't want to walk into some trap. I don't want to walk into some political event," Boehner said during an interview on Fox News. "I want to walk in and have a real conversation about what we can do to make our current system work better."
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/80511-boehner-concerned-health-meeting-could-end-up-a-trap-for-gop
Any time any one of these maroons says anything in the future someone should remind them that they actually stated that the weather on the East Coast of America in February provided conclusive evidence in the argument about global climate trends and that they should probably just be quiet.
I think I will do a little research and count the condescending remarks of Liberals towards Conservatives and compare them to the remarks by conservatives towards liberals here on media matters.
Don't worry I qualify my definitions and take as random a sampling as possible, because lets face it I would burn my eyes out if i read every article posted over the last 5 years.
I'll be back to report on monday or tuesday with a rough draft. :)
You can count that as one comment of condescension towards you.
When someone repeatedly abuses the public's trust, like FoxNews, they don't deserve much credibility or respect. It's not condescension to give them the exact amount of credibility they deserve.
When conservatives have demonstrated years of disrespect for the facts - when they omit relevant data and therefore mislead their listeners/readers, that is disrespectful to the truth. When they pass on nonsense that distorts reality to push their own conservative agenda, they don't deserve respect. When they do these things time after time after time, as this site has documented, then to call these same people to account for their behavior is NOT condenscension. It's reasonable treatment given their behavior.
Conservatives who whine about not being taken seriously would have a point IF they were presenting reasonable arguments - not arguments that WE agreed with, but arguments and opinions that are based upon factual info. Not cropped comments, skewed and distorted info, but a full look at all the known facts. If they did that, they would be taken seriously.
I'll give you one example, but I could literally give you hundreds.
Republicans say that they can produce a plan that will compete favorably, and actually be better, than the Dems' suggestions for healthcare reform.
However, what does reality tell us? Well, they suggest tort reform. Except that cuts healthcare costs by 1/2 of 1%, so it does virtually nothing, and Dems are willing to agree to do that anyway. This despite the fact that the main reason Republicans want to have tort reform is to help businesses and hurt lawyers and feed the myth that unreasonably huge malpractice awards are legion - they aren't of course. Despite the hypocrisy and the disingenuous behavior of the Republicans, Dems are willing to give in and agree that we can offer tort reform.
So what else do Republicans suggest? Two other things that won't do a THING to really help provide much more coverage to people who aren't covered, won't do much at all to help people who are screwed because of pre-existing conditions, and won't do much at all for reducing the cost curve. Their plan will lower the cost, in the long run, but not nearly as much as the Democratic plan. The Democrat's plans are much better at insuring more people.
And, then, let's top that off with the disingenuous attacks the Republicans have made - like that the bill is too long. Except they don't tell you that ALL bills are much longer than what a normal citizen might think they are going to be, and that there are really good reasons that bills are this long, and since Healthcare is a big deal, it would be WRONG to have a short bill. They've lied about death panels and all kinds of other things.
And the Republicans behavior WRT heathcare reform is emblematic of their other behaviors. They're dishonest, they're disingenuous, and they're out to push their own agenda no matter how it might hurt our nation now or in the future.
If they don't deserve some condescending comments, then no one does.
First, scream as loud as you can.
Next, whine about not getting the attention you wanted, which was why you began screaming in the first place.
Then, blame everyone else b/c you never get the attention you truly deserve -- THEY'RE the "bad" ones, not you.
When all else fails, change the meaning of words, like, "truth," and "logic," and "reality" -- that way, you're sure to win your argument, regardless of its merits (or lack of).
Lastly, never admit the possibility that your position could be weak or wrong or based on false premises -- you're always and forever right (or reich, in this case).
The above description can also be applied to 6-y.o.'s, classroom bullies (of any age), and people who suffer the delusions of narcissicism & schizophrenia.
The real question is, why does anyone give these mentally disturbed individuals the compliment of rational objection?
Here was the email I sent to professor Alexander, who was invited by a Post editor to publish what was a trimmed down version of a scheduled AEI speech. I noted that it was funny that the professor's op-ed on liberal intolerance was the only Post column that did not accept critical reader comments.
Professor Alexander:
I just wanted to let you know that it’s the style of argument you present in your scaled down AEI talk that is why I am no longer a Republican nor can in good faith call myself a conservative. I was once chief speechwriter for a Republican governor and communication director for a state GOP. So, it was the growing lack of integrity in conservative communications – its fondness for the tactical manipulation of public opinion through propaganda at the expense of the much harder effort of honest education and persuasion – that I first noticed in the growing radicalization of the right, and came to loathe. You know as well as I that today’s conservative movement is built on conformity to doctrine and group solidarity not fidelity to open-ended inquiry. So the idea that conservatives would be more welcoming than liberals of dissenting points of view is just nuts.
Like many on the right today, you seem to suggest that the ridicule and horrified outrage directed at conservatives by liberals is entirely unprovoked. You reinforced that impression by your failure to mention a single specific conservative "idea" that liberals find objectionable. It was an omission that I took for embarrassment on your part, or perhaps condescension, at the wackiness of right wing ideas. And Senator Moynihan's ideas on race from a half century ago that you present, don't count. If anything, that showed how far Democrats have come in taking conservative ideas seriously, and assimilating them into policy, when offered in good faith.
I can imagine conservative readers with chips on their shoulders being outraged at the liberal snobs who populate the long train of condescending abuses you recount in your column, from Richard Hofstadter’s "paranoid style" to the racist Southern Strategy in Rick Pearlstein’s “Nixonland.” What I can't imagine is your conservative readers having a clue about why it might be that liberals hold their ideas in such contempt because, let's be honest here, liberals aren't turning up their noses at William F. Buckley. It's Tom Tancredo, Tom DeLay and Sarah Palin that cosmopolitan, liberal elitists can’t stand.
But so as to avoid being condescending to dissenting conservative points of view in the future, please advise us: Exactly how should a homosexual respond to the conservative "idea" that their sexual preference is a crime against nature and a sin against God? How should a liberal respond, without being dismissive, when Republicans who doubled the national debt in eight years and quadrupled the number of legislative pork barrel earmarks when they controlled Congress lecture liberals about being high-spending "socialists?" How should Democrats respond – again with all due respect -- when conservatives who sat in silence while George W. Bush sent 130 terrorists to jail by way of the American civilian court system attack President Obama as a soft-on-terror traitor for doing exactly the same thing? How should Democrats respond when the Republican National Committee seriously considers a resolution demanding that ALL Republicans conform to a 12-point right wing litmus test at the precise moment when House Republicans are complaining to President Obama that he doesn’t take dissenting ideas seriously?
It’s not snobbery that causes liberals to dismiss these ideas with contempt. It’s that so many of them are shamelessly partisan, hypocritical and extreme.
Finally, why confine your criticism to liberals? A significant number of conservative intellectuals and former Republican operatives like me also hold what passes for "conservatism" today in contempt, as it abandons moderation and reasonableness in favor of right wing extremism? And wasn't that the real point of your column -- to disguise the GOP's mounting extremism behind a thick gloss of cultural resentment politics?
That doesn't say much for the intelligence of those people.
It seems to be a case of believing what they want to believe.
A good illustration of the saying: "There are none so blind as those that will not see."
Jack Fotheringham