The Pentagon shooter, insurrectionism, and right-wing bloggers
When news broke last Thursday that a deranged gunman had opened fire outside a Pentagon security checkpoint, wounding two officers before being stopped by return fire (the gunman later died from his wounds), the reaction from some oddly giddy right-wing bloggers was swift. They wanted everyone to pay attention to the story. Why? Because bloggers claimed the gunman, John Patrick Bedell, was a loony liberal.
Under increased scrutiny for the rampant anti-government rhetoric of the Tea Party movement, along with its often violent imagery and open talk of insurrection, right-wingers seemed anxious, even frantic, to hold up the Pentagon killer as proof that they weren't responsible for -- or connected with -- every political act of vigilante violence that makes headlines these days.
But as more details emerge about the incident, the far-right bloggers may wish they hadn't shone a spotlight on the disturbing Pentagon story. If anything, as we learn more about the anti-government rantings and writings of Bedell, this madman attack looks an awful lot like a string of other "lone wolf" attacks, such as the recent kamikaze pilot who flew his plane into an IRS office in Austin.
They're attacks that appear to be fueled by an almost pathological hatred for the U.S. government -- the same open hatred that right-wing bloggers, AM talk radio hosts, Fox News' lineup of anti-government prophets, and Tea Party leaders have been frantically fueling for the last year; pushing radical propaganda and warning of America's permanent, democratic demise under President Obama.
As I noted last year when the first red flags were raised about the specter of anti-government violence, what the GOP Noise Machine is doing today is embracing, and mainstreaming, the same kind of hate rhetoric and doomsday conspiratorial talk that flourished on the far-right fringes during the '90s. (Think Waco and black helicopters.) And legitimizing that kind of talk is dangerous.
On the one hand, right-wing media love mainstreaming vile, alarmist, anti-government rhetoric. Yet they're also hyper-sensitive to the charge that they're, y'know, mainstreaming vile, alarmist anti-government rhetoric and might also be goading some crazies into action. Consumed with Obama Derangement Syndrome, 'wingers literally cannot help themselves. Just this weekend, one prominent, albeit unhinged, right-wing site branded Obama as "suicide-bomber-in-chief." They've removed all sensible filters, which means the crazy talk flows 24-7.
Similar to the problematic birther brigade, the right-wing's crazy uncle who keeps showing up at public functions, radical insurrectionist rhetoric (i.e. war may have to be waged against the government) has been unleashed into the far-right masses and there's nothing that supposed leaders can do to contain it. They can't limit the violence that it continues to set off, either. Instead they scramble, like after last week's Pentagon attack, to shift the blame to the political left.
But the clumsy scapegoating doesn't work for obvious reasons: There are no major American liberal players, in media or politics, who today routinely preach the need to take up arms against the federal government. Conservative blogger Erick Erickson certainly couldn't point to any in his laugh-out-loud funny rewriting of history, in which he dutifully absolved the right-wing of any responsibility for anti-government violence, and instead blamed liberals.
Sorry, right-wingers, but you fostered this toxic environment. You're the ones who rally around Rush Limbaugh when he calls the president of the United States a Nazi. You're the ones who cheer when Glenn Beck compares our commander in chief to a dangerous, Hitler-like tyrant who wants to "take your gun away one way or another."

You're the ones who toasted the anti-Obama mobs last summer when members marched around with Swastika posters, brandished guns, and gave speeches about the need to wage bloody war against the federal government. You're the ones who compare health care reform to a bloody terrorism campaign waged by the government against its own citizens.
You cultivated this poisonous, arm-yourself-against-the-government hysteria -- and now you own it. You have to deal with increasingly predictable, and at times deadly consequences.

For instance, last year, it was Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), a right-wing media darling and Tea Party favorite, who said to Glenn Beck during an interview on his radio show that she wanted "people in Minnesota armed and dangerous" to oppose the Obama administration. She also stressed that Thomas Jefferson "told us 'having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,' and the people -- we the people -- are going to have to fight back hard if we're not going to lose our country."
We've been down this road before.
On April 19, 1995, feeding off his hatred of the federal government, Timothy McVeigh drove a rented 20-foot Ryder truck and parked it in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City. His truck's three-ton ammonium nitrate bomb detonated and sheared the north side off the Murrah Federal Building, killing 168 people and injuring hundreds more. McVeigh later wrote, "I reached the decision to go on the offensive -- to put a check on government abuse of power." McVeigh wanted to "send a message to a government" by "bombing a government building and the government employees within that building who represent that government."
Back in 1995, McVeigh, keyed into far-right conspiracies and still seething about the siege at Waco, declared war on the federal government. Today, more and more combatants seem to be signing up for duty.
Last week's shooter, who traveled all the way from California to attack the Pentagon, certainly expressed a dark and unstable contempt for the government:
When the government can control how private property is used, and especially when the government controls the monetary system that is use to exchange private property, the government has the mechanisms and the motivation to control individuals to the smallest detail.
And:
When governments are able to confiscate the resources of their citizens to fund schemes that need only be justified by lies and deception enormous disasters can result.
And:
The imperative to defend the freedom of conscience must lead us to eliminate the role of the government in education and leave parents and communities free to raise their children as they see fit.
As blogger Charles Johnson, at Little Green Footballs correctly pointed out: "If you gave a speech at a tea party rally consisting of nothing but the quotes from Bedell you see above, you'd get a standing ovation."
But today, far-right bloggers scramble to deflect the connection. They excitedly point to the fact that Bedell was a 9-11 "truther," who demanded answers about the government's supposed involvement in the attacks that day, and so that automatically made the mentally ill gunman a liberal. But wait, wasn't it a right-wing Tea Party candidate for governor who recently made news when she refused to knock down the anti-government "truther" conspiracy?
Indeed. Texas Tea Party activist and candidate Debra Medina appeared on Glenn Beck's radio show and suggested she was open to the idea that the 9-11 attacks were an inside government job. "I have not taken a position on that," said Medina. (It's the same insurrectionist Medina who told a Tea Party crowd that "we are aware that stepping off into secession may in fact be a bloody war. We understand that the tree of freedom is occasionally watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.")
And meanwhile, aren't lots of Ron Paul supporters famously attached to the 9-11 conspiracy theory? And isn't that the same Ron Paul who ran away with the straw poll at the recent Conservative Political Action Conference convention in Washington, D.C.?
And isn't the 9-11 truther movement's most famous advocate the conspiratorial radio nut (and full-time Obama hater) Alex Jones, who has been mainstreamed by Fox News? And isn't that the same Alex Jones who today complains that Glenn Beck's show now sounds so much like Jones' that Beck is just ripping him off?
From this month's issue of Texas Monthly (subscription required):
More troubling, [Jones] told me, is the way personalities at the top of the media food chain have been co-opting his message. Glenn Beck is the worst, he said. "Two weeks after I have a guest on, they have him on. ... Glenn Beck is literally word for word taking everything I do and twisting it and turning it into a Roger Ailes Fox News evil doppelgänger of my show," he said" [emphasis added].
Bloggers also pointed to the fact that Bedell was reportedly a registered Democrat as more proof of his allegiance to the left. But that doesn't make much sense, either. Are bloggers really suggesting that no registered Democrats have attended anti-government Tea Party rallies this year? Haven't Tea Party leaders been bragging about how they're attracting a wide range of disaffected voters? And in fact, haven't Tea Party leaders been stressing how wrong it is to assume the movement is synonymous with the Republican Party? But suddenly a distant political registration proves all.
For the record, I'm not suggesting that Bedell was a dedicated Glenn Beck fan, or that Rush Limbaugh made him do it. I think the specifics of this case are too muddled for those kinds of conclusions. But the idea that panicked right-wing bloggers can turn Bedell into a tree-hugging Greenpeace activist is ludicrous. The allegation doesn't withstand scrutiny, simply because dangerous, anti-government rhetoric is not part of today's liberal dialogue.
It is however, a proud cornerstone of the conservative one.





















that's because liberals run the government, when republicans do your right back in the streets with your hitler signs and calling for the war criminals to be destroyed.
the tea party's isn't the SDS or weather underground? they were anti-government weren't they?
it's a simple message- less government , lower taxes and less spending.
Actually they called for them to be investigated and our supposedly left wing government hasn't even done that.
Wasn't that the same message before the Bush League spent 6 trillion and gave us the Patriot Act?
A simple message from simple minds.
Doesn't it bother you that when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress, the Presidency, and had a controlling influence on all levels of the judiciary, that they made zero effort to achieve 2 of the 3 goals you list above?
I didn't see any attempt whatsoever at "less government" or "less spending".
I'm curious - does your brain freeze up at the phrase "prescription drug benefit"? What about "Department of Homeland Security"? What about "National Security Letter"?
Don't you rightwing fools grasp that behaving that way demeans YOUR side, not me?
You could post a blank response and still get a thumbs down. Apparently you have fans.
Despite allegedly being old enough to retire, you clearly have some growing up to do. Please give it a try.
That there are racists right wingers is a given, as well as there are clinically unhinged, lost souls, disgraced fools, utter a-holes, and completely lazy know nothing clueless angry people.
This constant pretense that Fox News should be equated on the same caliber as other News outlets is ridiculous. In no way is Fox News even remotely a News Channel. Fox News' only purpose is to make noise, generate lies, cause divisions, plant seeds of civil unrest and promote (on some occasions) racial disparity. Fox's Fair is the equivalent of "all's fair in telling lies" and their Balance is equal to a well balanced mix of total disharmony.
What BS! I post a factual racist comment from a Leftist and your response is the Right are racist a-holes! See why I am convinced liberals are mentally challenged? And lost souls? Thank goodness I am fairly certain we won't see many of you leftists in God's World.
You pathetic people make excuses for an obvious racist comment just because Rather is one of you. Very sad indeed. Not to mention typical liberal hypocrisy.
Do you want to argue theology? I'm more than ready.
We won't see many of you self-righteous, holier-than-thou, judgmental hypocrites there either. If you read your Bible, what you will find in "God's World" is essentially a perfect society, which also happens to be a socialist monarchy.
Now, just think of the irony of this. Most religions have a similar idea of Heaven as a socialist monarchy. What was it that Marx said again about capitalism as a primitive step towards socialism? And what was it that Jesus said about a camel passing through the eye of a needle, the meek inheriting the earth, and the money changers in the Temple?
If you read the NT, you know the parts about Jesus healing the sick, sharing food, cohorting with criminals and poor people, criticizing the power structures and wealth gaps of His day, etc., would you say Jesus was more left or right? Be honest now, forget about the posters here, be honest with yourself.
And since you think you have the right to judge eternal salvation, when only one can do that, you won't be in heaven anyway.
You are not God, sir. So get you GD feet of his desk.
Emphasis mine.
And even though you are calling us lost souls, well at least we seem to have them. And actually can't to meet you down there in hell. Wouldn't it be AWESOME!
Sorry. Jesus believed in peace. Jesus believed in caring for the poor. Jesus threw the moneychangers out of the temple. Jesus turned the other cheek. Which of those is a right-wing value?
Not one.
You are incorrect on Rather's statement, but since it fits your RWA pre-conceived notion of the ridiculous "us v. them" game NOBODY will convince you otherwise.
I'm not sure I'd be counting on God's World if I were you. You know Christ said that the most important commandment was to love God . . . the second was to love your neighbor. Based on your posts here, I just don't see the love, retired.
Seriously, google Right Wing Authoritarianism. It's you, man, it is YOU.
cant we all except the fact that we need an overhaul of poloticians and the religious retoric disposed of.
Its fine to have love and faith but it should never play into polotics! NEVER! anything any of you have said these past couple of years about somone hating on another is simply becasue of each and every one of you...
Left says ...he said this so he's bad, then the right says ...typical, opposite side defending he/she because they're on of them. ...then the left blows up because thats a boggus claim and not fair. ...then the right blows up because that previous one accused him of being unfair.
When in actuallity, all of you have been acting like kids on a playground. No one can work together and come to a common solution for a more than common goal (heathcare) when somone is coming at you with a water tight closed mind, anger, ego and a big stiff fingr pointing at you saying everything that has ever happen is your fault (Bush was to blame, no Obama was to blame...your missing the point). Its never gonna work, so I recommend we purge all poloticians for new ones... sorry to those who are truly working for us The People, and not for SPECIAL INTEREST...!
...and for all of you who is going to claim my whole statment is wrong because you will admit that you dont believe one side is to blame for all curruption, then congrats and dont stop with common sense logic...qeustion all that the media says and never be satisfied.
What makes you so sure that YOU'RE going there??? You may end up with a room in the Right Wing of Hell, near Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, Jerry Falwell, D. James Kennedy, and Oral Roberts.
Similarly, I don't think I'll see any of you in the frozen wastes of Siberia - I won't be there!
Show me a 'rabid left loon' who blew somebody up, or shot somebody, or flew a plane into a building. Then realize that you've provided one example to counter what? easily half a dozen if not more.
By the way, the most vocal and most extreme group in the country right now are the Teabaggers.
striving for “a whole different system of distributing economic wealth in this country and
an end to American imperialism”
On May 2, 1973, Joanne Chesimard, a member of the Black Liberation Army, and two of her friends were stopped on the New Jersey Turnpike by State Troopers James Harper and Werner Foerster. While being questioned, Chesimard and the driver opened fire on the troopers with automatic pistols, hitting both of them. Chesimard then took Foerster’s weapon and fired execution style into the officer’s head, killing him. She was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life imprisonment. She escaped in 1979 and fled to Cuba where she was granted political asylum (McCaslin, 1998).
William Morales, a bomb maker and member of the Puerto Rican separatist group FALN, lost eight fingers when a bomb he was building exploded in his face. In 1979 he escaped while recovering from his injuries in a prison ward at Bellevue Hospital. He fled to Mexico where he was arrested again after a shoot-out with Mexican authorities. In 1988 the Mexican govt allowed him to go to Cuba where he received asylum and began
working on a doctorate in international relations (Howell, 1994).
Victor Gerena, a member of another Puerto Rican separatist group, Los Macheteros, also received asylum in Cuba. Gerena participated in the 1983 armored car robbery in Greenwich, Connecticut, that netted $7.2 million. An Argentine-born former spy for Cuba claims that he helped get Gerena and some of the proceeds from the robbery out of the United States and into that country. The Castro government refuses to confirm his presence there (Morrison, 1996).
There's a lot more I can dig up, but you get the idea.
So, your definition of terrorist is simply anyone who disagrees with the current government? Guess that makes Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh both terrorists, doesn't it? Dang, it's even easier than I thought!
I must say, I think you're going to lose this one, MR Jensee.
Yeah... Glenn Beck. Rush Limbaugh. Every weekday.
Van Jones was forced to resign. Limbaugh's victims are hounded by his fans, Beck's are too.
Just saying.
That has nothing to do with your eyesight.
Making a mistake? Nothing to be ashamed about.
Making a mistake, and insulting the person who tells you that you made a mistake, rather than trying to figure out your mistake and correcting it? Something to be ashamed about, you doofus.
Using your declining eyesight to ignore your actual error? Even more shameful. Then insulting someone who simply pointed out your error? Worse still.
Number of people Bill Ayers killed: 0
If the Black Liberation Army robbed banks, then they were bank robbers and not terrorists. If they killed people in the commission of those robberies, they were murderers, and not terrorists.
You mention the Black Panthers, and I guess are just hoping I'll assume they were liberal domestic terrorists? Because you cite no proof. Merely mentioning the name gets you a 0.
You mention the United Freedom Front, and claim they were leftists and terrorists, but, with no source and no proof cited, again, this is simply an assertion. They ever kill anybody? Blow anything up?
Joanne Chesimard and her friends are cold blooded cop killers from the story you tell, but killing police officers is not terrorism. So, once more, murderers? Yes. Terrorists? Nope.
William Morales blew himself up, but he was also Puerto Rican, not a domestic terrorist, and that's granting that he was in fact a terrorist. Still no proof he was leftist, though.
Victor Gerena robbed an armored car. So, clearly a thief. Not so clear? Any evidence he was a terrorist or a leftist.
See, Theodore Kaczynski? David Koresh? Timothy McVeigh? All Americans, all conservative, and all killed people. Now, the Oklahoma City bombing was in 1995, so lets stretch that decade out to 15 years. That will give you a bigger pool to draw from as well.
Care to keep playing?
>^o.o^<
Howdy!
Wrong. Bill Ayers group killed a cop in San Fran.
Didn't they get off by a technicality? Maybe that was for their own ham-fisted accomplice that blew himself up. Either way Ayers and Dohrn escaped justice.
Facts. They have a liberal bias.
He claims he can dig up "more" examples, but one has to assume these were his biggest and best ones, and they fall flat.
No, we just blow up foolish arguments, which is why yours are dead.
Right?
Hardly! I'm having fun. It's clearly you that got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
Or are you always so irascible that you don't even realize it?
These nutjobs are acting out against imaginary threats planted in their heads by hate radio and Fox News.
(pssst: the word you're looking for is dissent)
You ever ask yourself why they do it, MR Jensee? Why DOES beck compare Obama to Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Hitler, and yes, even Satan? It certainly has absolutely nothing to do with policy, because half of those mentioned are diametrically opposed philosophically to the other half, so clearly our President can't legitimately be compared to all of them. Why? Why do it? what other answer is there than the hope of violence against someone who is trying to lead us out of the night time of terror that reigned supreme during Bush, Cheney & Co.?
I'm all for dissent. I am an iconoclast, and there are few things I enjoy more than eating sacred cows. But dissent is not what Beck or Limbaugh does. What they do is more accurately described as sedition. They have no legitimate grievances, they bring no fact or reason or logic to the public policy debate. They bring only fear and hatred and a growing insanity. They don't believe in freedom, they don't really believe in America. They worship money, and have sold their souls to collect as much of what they value as possible. Neither is educated, and neither is intellectual in the slightest, and both are required for reasoned debate.
Perhaps you meant right to "descent". The USA has been on a descending spiral since the 1980s. It is time to reverse the descent and start climbing back to our former glory.
Or was it the right to "dissent". I value that very much. Of course to refute or criticize statements with which we disagree hardly constitutes an attempt to deny one's right to dissent. You, sir, have the right to dissent and I have the right to dissent from your dissent. It works for both of us, OK?
On the other side, we have the Oklahoma City bombing, the Waco nutjobs, the IRS dive-bombing, the murder of Dr. Tiller...
I'm just not seeing how both sides are equally bad here.
A Puerto Rican separatist group. How relevant. The Black Panther Party. Those damn Negroes, do they ever quit? How dare they fight for their civil rights.
You're so deep, like wow. I want to know you, I want to be you. The world has so much to learn from the Great Scholar MR Jense.
Try again.
Timothy McVeigh, the man convicted killing 168 people in the Oklahoma bomb atrocity in 1995, is executed by lethal injection in Terre Haute, Indiana.
Sept 2001 In the world's worst-ever terrorist atrocity, Islamic extremists launch suicide attacks on landmarks in the USA using hijacked civil airliners. Two aircraft are flown into the twin towers of New York's World Trade Center, which subsequently collapse, and another hits the Pentagon (defence department) in Washington, DC. A fourth jet crashes in Pennsylvania before reaching any specific target. Around 3,000 people are thought to have been killed in the attacks and ensuing devastation.
11–30 September 2001 The US government calls the 11 September terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, DC, an act of war and pledges military retaliation against known terrorist networks and their state sponsors. With its allies' backing, US forces begin to concentrate around Afghanistan where the chief suspect, Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda organization, are thought to enjoy the protection of the hard-line Islamic Taliban regime.
October 2001 In the USA fear of biological terrorism spreads as cases of exposure to anthrax by mail are confirmed in Florida, New York, and in Washington, DC, where a contaminated letter is sent to the leader of the Senate Tom Daschle and the House of Representatives is temporarily closed.
You've done a spectacular job of disproving your own original contention.
All those signs that say "We came unarmed...this time" aren't suggestive of politically motivated violence at all.
The tea party organizer in Washington who called for a democratic senator to be hanged, and was met with cheers and applause by the crowd, wasn't suggesting violence.
And the tea party activist who said that, if new people didn't get elected in the next election, he was going to be cleaning his guns and "getting ready for the big show", was clearly not suggesting violence either.
Any time one group of people uses language that makes enemies of others, there is the potential for violence and for some of their adherents to take the law into their own hands. I'm sure you remember Bill O'Reilly, Dr. Tiller, and Scott Roeder and how violent rhetoric caused a man operating within the law to lose his life.
There is no way to sugarcoat what is currently going on in rw politics for me. I'm someone who has spent a lifetime thus far dealing with people like these. I know when they are lying and I know the damage their words and actions can yield in this society because I'm one who suffered as a result of them. It's one thing to speak on a topic that doesn't impact you, but it's an entirely different ballgame for the person(s) who is/are targeted, and this is something you are incapable of understanding.
Liar. Never happened.
Try again.
See, we've SEEN THE VIDEO that there IS.
It doesn't show what you claim it shows.
It shows the very END of the fight. It doesn't show who started it, or why it started. There were no SEIU thugs. There just wasn't.
You've proven yourself to be a dishonest troll who's not interested in fairly and honestly interacting with us in any way, shape or form.
Please don't feed this troll any more.
When they call for the hanging of a sitting senator or say they're cleaning their guns and getting ready for the "big show", that's advocating violence.
And your claim about SEIU beating up a "poor black guy" is unequivocally false and has been debunked.
Ah, but It's Okay If You Are Republican, I suppose. Right? Yeah. Very very very very very far right.
Off the top of my head, the guy that shot up the church wanted to kill all the Democrats in Bernard Goldberg's book, but since he couldn't do that he instead went into a place of worship and started firing.
And there was the guy that shot the cops in Pittsburgh who was afraid Obama was going to take away his guns. Wonder where he got that idea?
Face it. Violent rhetoric by hate radio and Fox News enables and gives justification to the violent nutjobs to grab their weapons and start shooting.
So your argument is that since there isn't alot of violence, it should be disregarded?
Tell that to the families of the people who died in that church. Or to the families of the cops in Pittsburgh. Or to the families of Dr. Tiller.
If a crowd of people yelled at a suicidal guy to jump, and then he jumped, wouldn't you have some emnity toward the crowd?
He didn't "report". He propagandized. There's a difference. He misled, and distorted, and omitted relevant data all the time when discussing this topic.
and one more thing... got you last!... INFINITY!!!...
I tease. She’s a kook and her liberalism had nothing to do with this shooting.
Please don't feed this troll. He's just throwing mud, seeing what might stick.
Fail.
He's an anti-government nutbag, pure and simple, regardless of who is in power. He hated Bush just as much as he hated Clinton and Obama.
Just because Republicans ACT like they hate the government (which in reality they only hate when a Democrat is in charge of it), Alex Jones really hates the government REGARDLESS of who is currently in charge of it.
Eric, you should know better. Do a little research.
Randy
That's different than a conservative!
Boehlert's comment above is very apt.
"They've removed all sensible filters, which means the crazy talk flows 24-7."
These missing sensible filters cause these fools to believe in conspiracy theories without any evidence, like I said the other day.
No one, and I think that's Boehlert's simple point. As to Denny's, I suspect there's more Republicans sitting down there than Democrats.
"you loony leftist libs kill me! you really believe that ice is cold!? you honestly appear to believe that the Sun is hot!!??? Incredible. How do you socialist loony leftists liberal left wingers become so uninformed? I mean, the things you say! Believing that the world is round. Oh, well, takes all kinds I guess."
First put away the gun and then we will talk and solve each problem in a logical and peaceful manner. But as long as there is a gun in my face there is no chance for peace.
Note: For those who dont understand the above. When I say gun I am refering to the force of the state which in essence boils down to a bunch of people with guns.
If I dont pay thier taxes will they not take my property?
If I resist will they not put me in jail?
If I resist that will they not shoot me?
Please elighten my as to where I deverge from reality.
And yes they are "doing what their constituents elected them to do". Which is force thier will on me at gunpoint. The only just authority is consented to and I never consented to being robbed.
In the United States elections give our government the authority to create, interpret, and execute the laws. However, that authority alone can't effect any legislation, it takes force. The government ultimately has to have the ability to force someone to follow the laws or we would only follow the laws we wanted to. If the government didn't reserve to right to force someone to pay taxes how many people would pay them? The government has the AUTHORITY to put someone in jail, but they also have to ultimately use that authority in the form of physical force to gain compliance.
It sounds like Splinter is suggesting Americans are being forced to accept healthcare/schools by the current administration. I don't think it has become that bad. Yet.
"In the United States elections give our government the authority"
So whatever the majority does is legitimate? I disagree.
There is, however, dangerous pro-government rhetoric.
The problem with Erickson and Boehlert is they are both accepting a grossly convoluted convention of the political spectrum. Too many people associate "right-wing" with Republicans and "left-wing" with Democrats. See Rokeach's "The Nature of Human Values" and Rothbard's "Libertarian Manifesto" to see how absurd and conflated these terms can get.
If one accepts a more tangible spectrum, then identifying these people becomes easier: Big Government on the left, Small Government on the right. That being said, Erickson is wrong in his assessment, as some of those identified are inarguably anti-government.
Did Boehlert mean for me to infer that the Austin pilot was a right-wing extremist by his associating the pilot with Bedell? He seems to have chosen his language carefully, so it's hard to tell. If he did, then he is wrong. That pilot's only consistent complaint was, not that the government was screwing him, but that the government wasn't doing enough to help him.
Additionally--again, rejecting the totally arbitrary spectrum that Boehlert and Erickson seem to embrace--there is just as much dangerous rhetoric on both extremes of the Big- and Small-government wings. The difference is that the combined and concerted effort of the state against an individual is far more destructive than an individual can ever be against the state.
Second, your post makes no sense. If Obama rewinds the teleprompter, wouldn't he just keep repeating that same message over and over???
Hey, thanks! I take great pride in being complimented by the likes of you. I'm so glad we're on the same page that your previous post made no sense, and was just a typical cheap shot at the President, teleprompter and all. =)
But I don't disagree with your overall portrayal of this troll.
I regard Fox News as "fairly unbalanced" and believe that a significant proportion of its viewing audience probably fall into that category as well. It is unrealistic for the management at Fox to contend that this is not so. As such it is forseeable that the extreme material that they broadcast will incite one or more of these people to perform criminal acts. I presume the same applies to other hate mongering media outlets.
The only possible defence for broadcasting/publishing such inflammatory material would be public benefit as a calculated counter balance to any criminal act incited by the said material. That would be a hard sell to any reasonable person
i've been reading this entire article and comments, and i still don't see why you are trying to defend your pathetic capitalistic government, and its wild servants Glenn, O'Riley, and the rest of them, it/they don't care about you it only cares about its money and the rich white people that are going to keep it rich, or in turn will buy the government out and use it as its puppet to silence all of us with their police and army whom don't fit in their perfect "capitalist image" you are beyond ignorance and you are solely trying to justify america's so called "benevolence", your not the world police, 9/11 didn't give you the right to wage a "a revenge war", and stop saying "we", "we" does not include neutralist, independents, and leftist, the "we" you refer to is the rest of those teabagging morons you try defend, the right wingers, and your insolent and ignorant children. Stay way from this site, you utterly fail at arguing with these intellegent men and women whom know right from wrong.
if given an up or down vote on Barry, he would be out of office tomorrow.
Seriously? Look, when I used to think my vitriol for GWBush was unfounded, I sat back and listed all the crap he did. After looking at the list (wealthy tax cuts, Katrina, Iraq, WMDs, NCLB, "The Pet Goat," His mother saying Katrina victims were better off in the 'Dome, etc), I saw that YES, that guy was horrible for this country and I am secure in my assertion.
I have to wonder what YOUR (and other anti-Obamers) list looks like. From the crap you all bring up, I don't think you can make a list AT ALL without talking about some unprovable future of mights and he coulds that you're afraid of.
I bet you think that there weren't any terror attacks against Americans until Obama's term, either huh?
Talk about lost causes...
Methinks thou doth protest too much.
I'm sorry if you think I'm too well read - blame the South Australian Education Department and my parents who encouraged me to not only read, but to discuss what I read with others as well as sharing ideas.
I see no vice in intellect and no virtue in pandering to prejudice.
Paying $20-25 for these two clowns to lie to you?
I recommend reading Conservatives Without Conscience by John Dean. It explains alot about the nutjob mindset about how they need continual confirmation for their faulty beliefs and hatred toward others.
I guess instead of reading his book, you should first read up on John Dean.
I'm assuming there is supposed to be an embedded photo here. (?)
the entire premise of senior fellow boehlert's article is weak-ass-shiite... who in the hell is his first example, mellisa clouthier?... she might as well be some acne-faced adult offspring of a palin-tea-bagger living in her parents basement hopped up on mountain dew and blogging all day when she isn't playing bayonetta...
the other more mainstream righties, such as michelle bachman, have said nothing untoward, seditious or treasonous and any other meanings attached to her musings and others are in the paranoid imaginations of media mattersers and their ilk, not regular americans who can read a constitution...
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Eric Boehlert's entire article is an attempt to tie right-wing media to anti-government violence. Speaking about conservatives, "You cultivated this poisonous, arm-yourself-against-the-government hysteria -- and now you own it. You have to deal with increasingly predictable, and at times deadly consequences."
Eric states in his conclussion that right-wing bloggers can't turn Bedell into a greenpeace activist, because "anti-government thetoric isn't apart of today's liberal dialogue." But just because he isn't a left-wing wack, does not mean he is a right-wing nut either.
What is obvious, is that he was apart of a fringe element. He believed not enough jews were killed during the holocaust. Suggesting that he, Mcveigh, or Karesh, were apart of the right-wing movement is ludicrous. There is no evidence, and the author of this piece is making ties where there are none.
Eric also states in the conclusion that "For the record, I'm not suggesting that Bedell was a dedicated Glenn Beck fan, or that Rush Limbaugh made him do it." But this is exactly what Eric is suggesting. Violent anti-gevernment, rhetoric he states "is however, a proud cornerstone of the conservative one." Exactly what are you implying then, if you aren't implying that Bedell acted on fears promoted by Beck and Limbaugh?
1- It is legitimate, this isn't the first time the government controlled monetary system has come up in debates in american history. think back to Jacksonian era. But this quote in no way ties Bedell to the GOP, or the consrevative party. There is no sreious issue on teh right dealing with government controlled moentary exchange.
2-Bedell was refering to Article seven in the bill of rights. As far as I know the bill of rights is not a partisan policy favoring the right. Again this doesn't make Bedell a conservative.
3-This is about the only blog with any hint of conservatism.
Please don't imply that Bedell was a arm of the right-wing acting on the promptings of Glen Beck or Foxnews. There is no proof.
Thanks for trying though.
Perhaps you'd prefer conservatism to conservative party. Sorry. :)
Thanks. Perhaps you could make a point. Didn't your mother ever tell you you shouldn't say anything if you can't say something nice.
I didn't at any point suggest that rightwing was only conservative or republican. I did however point out, on sveral occasions, Eric tried to tie Bedell to both. Else why quote Republican congress members, and implicate conservative media as owners of Bedell's violence?
Or if you can't come up with a point, I'll see you for what you really are. TROLL. You chase my comments around and comment on all of them. Thanks for trolling, but not here.
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