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The media myth of Obama's "falling poll numbers"

March 17, 2010 5:34 am ET

The release of an Associated Press poll last week that showed President Obama enjoying a healthy job approval rating of 53 percent didn't generate much news beyond the wire service and produced even less commentary among the media's chattering class. Then again, neither did another piece of polling news from January, which showed Obama basking in the glow of a 56 percent job approval rating.

The cold shoulder was expected, though. Why? It's simple: the results didn't fit the script.

Adopting the polar opposite narrative from the Bush era when pundits and reporters seemed obsessed with trying to boost the president's standing, Beltway scribes today have made it plain that when it comes to Obama and polling, good news is no news.

Feeding off right-wing talking points, political journalists love to push the idea that Obama's polling numbers are in the tank and that he's fading fast. It's all part of the preferred, CW narrative that his entire presidency is slipping away. (It must now be "save[d]," according to Newsweek.)

Does the White House wish Obama's job approval rating was higher? I'm sure advisers do. Is there anything unusual in Obama's approval number, other than the fact that it nearly doubles the rating his predecessor left office with? No, not really.

Indeed, the news media's ongoing hand-wringing about Obama's polling numbers and how he's only around 50 percent (it's "tepid" and cause for "worry") is rather odd considering former President Bush served nearly his entire second term with an approval rating below 50 percent and left the presidency with an almost incomprehensibly low 22 percent approval rating.

Also note that for the majority of Bush's first year in office (i.e. up until September 11, 2001), his approval rating remained pretty much exactly where Obama's has been since late last summer: hovering around 50 percent. But do you recall a media obsession about Bush's super-soft poll numbers back during the spring and summer of 2001?

Neither do I.

More queries: Has there been any dramatic shift in President Obama's approval number since late last summer? No. (See below.) Has the press in recent months, busy echoing right-wing falsehoods, often pretended that there has been a sizable shift? Without question. (Rush Limbaugh, last month: "If Mr. Obama hasn't noticed, his approval numbers are in a free fall.")

Just take a look. From The New York Times, December 19, 2009:

After weeks of frustrating delays and falling poll numbers, Mr. Obama decided to take what he could get, declare victory and claim momentum on some of the administration's biggest priorities, even if the details did not always match the lofty vision that underlined them.

Washington Post, January 19:

On Wednesday one year will have passed since President Obama's inauguration. Much of the tidal wave of assessments has been negative: Falling poll numbers. Unfulfilled promises.

Miami Herald, January 29:

Amid declining poll numbers and political fortunes, President Barack Obama on Thursday tried to reconnect with the fickle state that helped put him in the White House and urged voters to keep the faith despite Florida's withering recession.

CNN's Wolf Blitzer, February 23:

The president's falling poll numbers, ongoing backlash from Republicans, even some grumblings from Democrats. Might someone inside the White House bear most of the blame?

Los Angeles Times, March 7:

For months, Obama had been on the defensive, facing electoral setbacks, declining poll numbers, dissident Democrats and stories that highlighted the deal-making often needed to grind out legislation.

Everybody agrees that Obama's poll numbers are falling, so it must be true, right?

Wrong.

If you look at Gallup's weekly ratings for Obama, in late August 2009, he had a 50 percent approval rating. And for the most recently completed weekly tabulation from Gallup, Obama's rating stands at 48 percent. That's right, over a nearly seven-month period, the president's approval rating, as measured by Gallup, dropped exactly 2 percentage points, which obviously falls within Gallup's margin of error. That means you could accurately say that Obama's job approval rating has remained unchanged over the last six-plus months.

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And it's not just Gallup that has chronicled Obama's rock-steady polling numbers. Take a look at the cumulative ratings posted daily at Real Clear Politics, which averages eight different polls (including Rasmussen's outlier tabulations) to come up with Obama's composite job approval rating.

Here are some of the data points from RCP:

  • August 20, 2009: 51 percent
  • September 23, 2009: 52 percent
  • October 4, 2009: 52 percent
  • November 4, 2009: 51 percent
  • December 7, 2009: 49 percent
  • January 11, 2010: 48 percent
  • February 18: 48 percent
  • March 3: 49 percent

And for the most recent, month-long snapshot, between February 17 and March 14, RCP pegged Obama's approval rating at 49 percent. So, much like Gallup, RCP has found that, since last August, Obama's job approval rating has basically shifted downward just a few points, or again, within the typical survey margin of error.

Given those figures, I'll ask again: Why is the press so eager to push this storyline about Obama's "falling poll numbers"? Where is the proof to back it up? And since when does a 1-3 point movement in any direction qualify as news? It's absurd.

By the way, if for some reason Obama's approval rating does significantly sag this month, or next, that won't somehow vindicate the previously erroneous coverage. Because the press has been claiming for the last several months that Obama's poll numbers have already fallen noticeable (which they have not), not that they're going to.

The media fixation on a barely there approval decline is especially bizarre when you consider how blasé the same press corps was during the Bush administration when the president often suffered gargantuan job approval declines. For instance, between December 2003 and May 2004, Bush's job approval plunged 17 points, according to Gallup. But it's hard to find much proof that the Beltway press corps was obsessed with Bush's "falling poll numbers" at the time.

But back to Obama. From September 1, 2009, to March 1, 2010, there was literally no change in Obama's approval rating. So why is the press so anxious to push the "falling poll numbers" meme? And is that why, when the White House did receive rays of good polling news during those months, the press seemed so anxious to look away?

Was it because when it comes to covering this Democratic White House, good news is no news?

At times it sure seems that way.

Back in January when The Washington Post reported on its latest political survey, the newspaper forgot to mention that Obama's job approval had gone up that month. Not a single reference to that fact was made in the article, which did set aside plenty of space to pile on the doom-and-gloom rhetoric:

A year into his presidency, President Obama faces a polarized nation and souring public assessments of his efforts to change Washington, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Nearly half of all Americans say Obama is not delivering on his major campaign promises, and a narrow majority have just some or no confidence that he will make the right decisions for the country's future.

By the way, this was the Post's headline:

Poll shows growing disappointment, polarization over Obama's performance

According to the Post, there was "growing disappointment" over Obama. Yet the Post itself forgot to report that his approval rating had gone up that month.

The same was true over at CNN.com in December 2009. Writing up the results of its latest poll, CNN not only didn't think the news hook was that Obama's approval rating had gone up 6 points in just two weeks, but the CNN article didn't even reference that finding until two-thirds of the way into the piece.

And then there was the AP in November 2009. Same drill. Its polling at the time showed Obama enjoying a robust 54 percent approval rating. So where was that information buried? In the article's ninth paragraph, after the AP painted an almost comically bleak picture of the political landscape Obama faced at the time.

And again, it's not just that the press has often misstated the facts about Obama's polling numbers. It's that this is the same Beltway press corps that often treated Obama's Republican predecessor in the exact opposite way, often itching to suggest that Bush's horrendous polling numbers were on the mend and spending years denying Bush's glaring job approval ratings collapse.

For instance, in January 2006, Time magazine's Mike Allen announced that Bush had "found his voice" and that relieved White House aides "were smiling again" after a rocky 2005. Of course, within months, Bush's approval rating fell to new all-time lows.

In April of that year, Katie Couric, then with NBC News, was asking Tim Russert if the White House could "breath[e] a sigh of relief" because Bush's latest approval rating had only fallen to 36 percent. In the end, Bush's phantom rebound never materialized and he left office as the least popular president in modern American history.

And yet for most of his eight years in office, the press seemed to have a gut feeling that Americans just liked Bush. And today, their instinct tells them that Americans don't really approve of Obama.

Here's an idea: Maybe journalists should simply report what Americans tell pollsters and stop trying to concoct a storyline.

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    • Author by rmyurick (March 17, 2010 8:32 am ET)
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      Time for news media to end this BS "gut feeling" reporting. Stick to the facts, as borne out in polls, or stuff that is actually happening.
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    • Author by punkin (March 17, 2010 8:51 am ET)
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      In essence the media is perpetuating the polarization in Washington and trying to convince the country that surely we are ALL just as polarized. The media promotes fear and dissesion because they believe those are the hooks that sell their product. What is it going to take to promote good news, to gain revenue from good news? What? happy people don't pay attention, don't buy papers/magazines, tune into news programs? I just don't buy into that fallacy.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 17, 2010 4:09 pm ET)
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        Good news... Bad news... Meh...

        But I would think that there would definitely be a market for ACCURATE News!

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        But then what do I know?
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        • Author by achrispage6992 (March 18, 2010 8:09 am ET)
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          One would think, that's for sure. I always find it so amusing to watch the right wing heads on Fox (especially O'Reilly) as they use polls when they feel it bolsters their argument. Of course, when polls show most Americans differ from them, what we get is "the methodology is flawed", "nobody pays attention to polls, anyway", blah, blah, blah. I don't know if anyone remembers but recently Jon Stewart took Megyn Kelly to the woodshed on this issue. It's hilarious to see Fox's hypocrisy when it comes to polling.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 18, 2010 8:11 am ET)
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            All polls that support the Fox News arguments show me is the % of Americans who are misinformed.

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            It's no more than a metric of the effectivieness of their propaganda.
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            • Author by Junky Doll (March 19, 2010 10:54 am ET)
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              Don't blame Fox because they are successful at offer a different perspective than the 10 other networks out there that think as you do. What a waste to spend your time dissing them for what they say instead of supporting your own side. Wake up Eddie propaganda is in the eye of the viewer. Open up your mind and consider that your opposition is truly afraid of the loss of rights and liberties that are in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. When you start earning a living and see more and more of it taken away to give to those that continue to suck the tit of gov't maybe you'll understand why we watch Fox to get our propaganda.
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (March 17, 2010 8:13 pm ET)
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        One thing the media also does is that they automatically interpret a decline in Obama poll numbers as an increase in Republican popularity. Obama's down? Well, that must mean the Republicans are doing better!
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        • Author by highlyunlikely (March 17, 2010 8:42 pm ET)
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          good point. it's a zero-sum game is the implication. and they're also suggesting that it's entirely to Rep.s' credit that his numbers are lower - no disappointment to his left can contribute.
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        • Author by Slow Cowboy (March 19, 2010 1:58 pm ET)
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          I haven't seen that, though it is a reasonable conclusion. From what I have seen, rather is that Congress is viewed at with abysmal faith. No one is popular. Dems have fallen badly, the GOP may have gotten a slight bump, but that is minimal.

          People are really tired with Congress and both parties.
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      • Author by highlyunlikely (March 17, 2010 8:43 pm ET)
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        added to that bias is the one in favor of the status quo, which always accrues to Republicans.
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      • Author by mr gray (March 18, 2010 8:26 am ET)
           
        What were his numbers in March of 09 compared to one year later?
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    • Author by 26charlie (March 17, 2010 10:03 am ET)
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      Lets not forget how last summer, the obama hating t-baggers were gleefully describing falling poll numbers as "falling like a rock" "rocketing down" and other things to depict the end of his presidency within the first year. This, of course, lent credibility to their views of a "failure", .... in their own minds. (Its my belief that these are people who were very much hurt that their party leader had very low approval numbers, so they want the same for obama too - but asap)

      I'll be reminding them of their earlier predictions by visiting conservative forums and asking if obama's approval numbers have bottomed out yet. Its worth repeating when they ignore it too, until they finally acknowledge it.
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    • Author by Gone_Rogue (March 17, 2010 11:58 am ET)
         
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    • Author by DellDolly (March 17, 2010 12:02 pm ET)
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      Hmmm, it almost sounds like they're buying into a theory without any evidence to back it up, doesn't it?

      And that's the problem here. Someone CLAIMS that his numbers are worrisome and tanking, and without vetting that claim, others run wtih it. Then others hear those rumors, and without vetting them, run with the bogus assertion that Obama's poll numbers are worrisome!

      His numbers to start out were much higher than many presidents have received. The propaganda that the Republicans push is much more vitriolic and demeaning than ever before. The lies, distortions and omissions of relevant data about Obama and his policy initiatives are horrific and poisonous to our national debate. It's no wonder some people have turned against him with the media we have and the rightwing we're stuck with.

      So, were one to REALLY look at his poll numbers, in context, given all the variables that affect those numbers, and a fair person would realize that it's a wonder his numbers are where they are!
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      • Author by jim70564 (March 17, 2010 1:33 pm ET)
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        I agree. It's like this whole health care debate. The right keeps questioning why the dems are jamming a bill down the throats of citizens that don't want it. The problem is, alot of people against this bill are misinformed. I just got forwarded an email from a very intelligent, educated person. It was one of those bogus emails being circulated around filled with blatant lies about the bill. Alot of people read these emails and assume they are true. Then they forward on to everybody they know. Polls show that after the bill is explained, the majority of people are for the bill. It amazes me the amount of spin and outright lies that are being flung from the right.
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        • Author by DellDolly (March 19, 2010 2:28 pm ET)
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          Actually, no, not easy at all - 100% dishonest though.

          Global Climate Change, the majority of which is caused by humans, is not a theory that is unsupported by the available evidence.

          There is NO pattern by those on the left side of the aisle to promote baseless conspiracy theories. There is an undeniable pattern by the right to do so - I think in the last 2 weeks I've pointed out 20 examples of it on this site alone!

          You're just a troll, making a baseless assertion without ANY evidence to back you up...hey, wait, that FITS the PATTERN we've already established as existing! How interesting that you inadvertently MADE MY POINT!

          Thanks for digging your own grave - I just LOVE it when you fools do that!
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          • Author by Slow Cowboy (March 19, 2010 3:04 pm ET)
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            I'd love to see your expression when writing these, Dolly.
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            • Author by DellDolly (March 19, 2010 8:05 pm ET)
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              Thanks again for failing to provide a single legit objection to anything I wrote, and instead simply making an ad hominem attack.

              Remember that poster who maintained that you were truly interested in having a reasoned and reasonable discussion of a topic? I bet he/she is ashamed of that stance now, after finding out that I was right in describing your intent and your lack of credibility.

              Please, keep digging the hole deeper and deeper. Don't let anyone tell you that it's a foolish thing to do, to embarrass yourself in public. They're all just jealous of how good a job you DO making a fool of yourself.
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              • Author by Slow Cowboy (March 19, 2010 11:39 pm ET)
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                Ho hum.

                I wrote that because I really do have an image of you getting so very and truly upset at what us conservatives write over here.

                Down below you wrote twice in capital letters that something was not fair. It really has the view of being a temper tantrum.

                I have a couple times posted attacks, but by and large I respond very kindly to you, and am only met with venom. Why is that? I have asked before and never seen a response as to why you so badly hate us conservatives.

                Of course, this is over the internet, and I cannot prove the assertion that you hate us, but the language you consistently use indicates something that looks very much like hate.

                I think, Dolly, you probably have some very substantive thoughts, but they get lost in the attacks and insults. I for one would take you more seriously if you'd stop responding in the manner you do. This does not mean you have to like me, but it means you have to tone down the rhetoric. You are beginning to sound like Rush, and I don't take him seriously, either.
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    • Author by MagCynic (March 17, 2010 1:34 pm ET)
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      Except that there IS evidence to show that Obama's ratings are dropping. So, yeah. Where's the misinformation again?
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      • Author by bintx (March 17, 2010 1:57 pm ET)
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        Rasmussen is not a legitimate polling polling site, Mag. I'd suggest that you pull up Pollster.com. It gives an overview of all the polls
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        Ever other major LEGITIMATE polling site has similar numbers.

        See, that's what you get for believing the BS on Fox . . . usually spewed by folks like your duplicate. It's not true.
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        • Author by MagCynic (March 17, 2010 2:08 pm ET)
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          I'd suggest that you pull up Pollster.com. It gives an overview of all the polls
          ROFL. Suit yourself. I'll go with your site's numbers I guess.

          National Job Approval: Barack Obama
          Disapprove: 49.1%
          Approve: 46.8%
          Source: Pollster.com

          President Obama Job Approval
          Disapprove: 46.4%
          Approve: 48.4%
          Source: Real Clear Politics
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          • Author by Turk72 (March 17, 2010 2:45 pm ET)
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            Okay so those are the current poll numbers what were they last month and was there a larger than 4% drop in those numbers? (4% being the standard margin of error in most polls)The discussion here is about the fact that the media in general keep making it out to seem that President Obama's polling numbers are in a free fall when in fact they have been steadily at or arounnd 50%. The issue is that the media is making a story out of non facts and then running with that story. It's just sad.
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            • Author by MagCynic (March 17, 2010 2:57 pm ET)
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              Exaggeration is a method used by ALL members of the media left, neutral, or right. I would not consider this conservative misinformation simply because they use the word falling or plummet. The basic gist of the story - that Obama's numbers have been decreasing since he was inaugurated - is rooted in fact.
              The issue is that the media is making a story out of non facts and then running with that story. It's just sad.
              It is fact, though. I even used bintx's own source as proof.
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              • Author by overmars jr. (March 17, 2010 4:28 pm ET)
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                Umm no you didn't use them "as proof" seeing as how you only posted the current numbers.


                The basic gist of the story - that Obama's numbers have been decreasing since he was inaugurated - is rooted in fact.


                Umm no, the "gist of the story" is that Obama's numbers are supposedly continually falling, when they haven't even dropped to the margin of error number in well over a year. Stop playing dumb.


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                • Author by MagCynic (March 17, 2010 5:39 pm ET)
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                  Umm no you didn't use them "as proof" seeing as how you only posted the current numbers.
                  I posted a link so you could see ALL the numbers. You must have missed that.
                  Umm no, the "gist of the story" is that Obama's numbers are supposedly continually falling, when they haven't even dropped to the margin of error number in well over a year. Stop playing dumb.
                  You can clearly see here that his numbers have been dropping since over a year ago. On Jan. 27, 2009 his approval was around 63.3. Today it stands at around 48.4. Is the margin of error really 14.9 points?
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                  • Author by overmars jr. (March 18, 2010 7:32 am ET)
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                    His "job approval rating" was 63% one week after taking office? Or his "approval rating"?
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              • Author by pete592 (March 17, 2010 4:38 pm ET)
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                Exaggeration is a method? A method of journalism? And you're insisting that we need to just accept exaggeration as common journalistic practice? Sorry, but I refuse to be apathetic toward the media. I want them to do their duty and stick to facts, instead of creating drama where none exists.
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                • Author by MagCynic (March 17, 2010 5:43 pm ET)
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                  Exaggeration is a method... of journalism?
                  I don't know. Is that what I said? Or are you, again, putting words in my mouth? Here is what I actually said:
                  Exaggeration is a method used by ALL members of the media left, neutral, or right
                  That's a pretty fair statement. It's called sensationalism. Liberals do it. Conservatives do it. I mean Glenn Beck's entire program is mainly about dire predictions and oh-my-God-look-what's-happening-to-our-country!?!?! rhetoric. You don't think Keith Olbermann ever exaggerates? Although to his credit KO doesn't bark at the camera like a dog. His is a more understated exaggeration; a seething anger that bubbles just below the surface.
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                  • Author by all your eyes (March 17, 2010 9:19 pm ET)
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                    You know what's sad? Mag, you're a breath of fresh air after BJ fan...
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                  • Author by pete592 (March 17, 2010 11:04 pm ET)
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                    I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I was asking questions in hopes of clarifying what you meant. By seemingly passing it off as, "oh they all do that," it came across to me that exaggeration is just something we need to accept from the news media, and we shouldn't waste any time noting it and demanding better from those whose job it is to deliver news. I'm talking about the people who wrote the articles Eric quoted, not the idiots on cable crap news.

                    You can't bait me into defending Keith Olbermann. He's just as much a part of what's wrong with news today as the right-wing professional liars on Fock Snooze.
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (March 17, 2010 10:34 pm ET)
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            Gallop shows the same numbers.

            You can't show these boot lickers anything...
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            • Author by rumpleteasermom (March 18, 2010 10:26 am ET)
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              OMG - my head is 18 inches lower than it was before I sat down, I must be FREE FALLING aaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


              Oh, wait, that's a normal fluctuation.
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      • Author by bintx (March 17, 2010 2:00 pm ET)
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        Please note that the Rasmussen poll SKEWS the RCP average. It always does because it is not a reliable, legitimate, unbiased polling source. It is owned by a bosom buddy of Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes. That's why it is cited on Fox almost exclusively.
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        • Author by highliter (March 17, 2010 2:50 pm ET)
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          And I suppose the Daily KOS polls dosent skew anything?
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          • Author by carlileb5935 (March 17, 2010 8:16 pm ET)
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            Who cites them? No news media. But they all slavishly obsess over the latest Rasmussen.
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        • Author by Tbone Slickens (March 17, 2010 10:36 pm ET)
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          Well mmfA uses Rasmussen when it suits their agenda. They magically become reliable, legitimate, and unbiased polling source then.

          Bosom buddies or not.
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          • Author by rumpleteasermom (March 18, 2010 10:27 am ET)
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            Can you back that up with a link please?
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            • Author by pete592 (March 18, 2010 11:07 am ET)
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              I'd like to see what he's talking about as well. I did a search and it's very apparent that MMFA has had it out for Rasmussen for a very long time. Maybe there's an agenda-driven usage in there somewhere, but I can't find it.
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      • Author by kyle b.c. (March 18, 2010 1:05 am ET)
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        mag, i've read many of your comments on here before and, though i usually don't agree with them, i have always given you the benefit of the doubt. usually i can at least see where you are coming from based on the arguments that you make and the "facts" that you use to back them up with. but you have lost all credibility with me based on your comments here today. come on, man. obama's approval ratings were in free-fall from march or so until about august or september. since then they have been holding steady between 48% and 52%, just as Media Matters reported. i thought this would be the one time when even a dedicated partisan like yourself would be able to say 'yeah, they've got a point here'. guess i was wrong.
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    • Author by CoolSlaw (March 17, 2010 1:35 pm ET)
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      It can be argued that these soft smears from what we consider more "legitimate" news sources are worse then the constant inflammatory rhetoric coming from self described right wing media.

      The type of stories and punditry Boehlert describes here lend an air of legitimacy to the blatantly partisan right wing attacks.

      It is frustrating to see such strong evidence of the end of objectivity in the mainstream press.
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    • Author by highliter (March 17, 2010 2:52 pm ET)
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      How about we look at the eitire pocture
      [<iframe src='http://charts.realclearpolitics.com/1044.epoll.html' width='100%' height='547' frameborder='0' scrolling='no' marginheight='0' marginwidth='0'></iframe>]
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      • Author by highliter (March 17, 2010 2:54 pm ET)
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        Hrmm dont know why that graph wont post.
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        • Author by highliter (March 17, 2010 3:01 pm ET)
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          Anyway the graph from RCP shows Obama going from a 19% disapproval in Jan 2009 to 46 in March 2010. His approval rating went from a 65 down to 48 Further research shows that the reason for this drop in approveal comes from independents shifting away from Obama in droves good luck in November
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          • Author by progressivevoicedaily (March 17, 2010 3:32 pm ET)
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            Hey Highliter, are you trying to de-throne seahawk23?? Go thread on a white wing website, you're wasting your time here.
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          • Author by fantagor (March 17, 2010 3:38 pm ET)
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            So you logic is that because Obama had a high approval rating AS A PRESIDENT ELECT that his ratings AS PRESIDENT are therefore disastrous.

            It's easy to love the incoming guy before he's held the reins of power. Disapproval comes with the job, from both sides of the spectrum.

            This narrative is nothing but a lot of smoke and mirrors to project an unheard of level of disapproval while disregarding what Obama's predecessor experienced. Nice try, but history is on Obama's side. He's doing just fine.

            Randy
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            • Author by CoolSlaw (March 17, 2010 4:25 pm ET)
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              It can be argued that these soft smear stories published by what is commonly called the "main stream media" are worse then the daily outlandish attacks thrown around by self identified conservative media personalities.

              This gives cover and credibility to the shameless smear merchants and partisan hacks who spout co-ordinated vitriolic and often baseless attacks against the president as part of an ongoing narrative.

              To answer the reflex conservative defense of the poll numbers and the claim that there is no misinformation here, I would suggest you read the article and recall that these same publications were slow to note the previous administration's actual popularity plummet until it became so overwhelming that the historic decline in itself was difficult to ignore. While there is technically no misinformation when carefully parsed, it does reveal the mainstream media's blatant bias.
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            • Author by highliter (March 17, 2010 4:49 pm ET)
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              Obamas First year approval rating drop was the biggest in modern History.

              Look into the polling data and you will see his approve rating among Democrats have roughly remained the same. It’s the Independents and some republicans who switch. Which Spells your Doom come November! FYI republicans now hold a 10point lead in generic ballot polls.

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              • Author by DellDolly (March 17, 2010 5:30 pm ET)
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                Only because he STARTED out so abnormally high!
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                • Author by Übermensch (March 17, 2010 5:43 pm ET)
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                  Only because he STARTED out so abnormally high!

                  Don't know if I would quite phrase it like that. Most presidents hover around the 40% - 50% margin of approval over the span of their presidency. Unless of course they do something so out of touch with the american people. Then it is far lower.
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                  • Author by DellDolly (March 17, 2010 7:01 pm ET)
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                    The previous poster was talking about his cataclysmic drop in popularity.

                    Other presidents haven't started out so high, so there has of course been a bigger drop, from an unreal high to a reasonable level now.
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                • Author by highliter (March 17, 2010 5:49 pm ET)
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                  No not really. How about the fact that at this point in his first term you have to go all the Way back To Ford to find a pres with a worse approval rating than Obama’s? To find the next one you have to go all the way back to Truman. Since modern polling began there are only two Presidents with a worse approval rating than Obama at this point in his presidency.
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                  • Author by funnymanpants (March 17, 2010 7:16 pm ET)
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                    >>Since modern polling began there are only two Presidents with a worse approval rating than Obama at this point in his presidency.

                    Which is a misleading statistic. Reagan had lower approval ratings than Obama--it just didn't come at the same time in his presidency.

                    "The arc of Reagan's popularity illustrates the same phenomenon. In July 1981, when unemployment stood at 7.2 percent--what it had been at the end of Carter's presidency--only 28 percent of Gallup's respondents disapproved of Reagan. But, by January 1983, after unemployment had risen to 10.8 percent the previous month, Reagan's disapproval rating was a whopping 54 percent."

                    In other words, disapproval is tied to the economy. Your phrase "at this point in the presidency" is arbitrary, picked to make Obama look bad.
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                    • Author by highliter (March 19, 2010 10:17 am ET)
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                      nice spin!
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                    • Author by Slow Cowboy (March 19, 2010 2:11 pm ET)
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                      Actually, I see "At this point in the presidency" as a way to compare presidents in a fair manner. Are there problems with it? Sure. But it is actually a fair way to consider the question.

                      If we are ever to compare presidents, we have to have ways of doing it, and picking a point in time is a fine way to do so. This is especially true when no two political or economic situations are alike, which would make that sort of comparison very difficult. Though, we can certainly look at some of those to get some insights, too.
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                      • Author by DellDolly (March 19, 2010 2:31 pm ET)
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                        No, it's not a fair way to do it, because not every President faces the same combinations of things beyond their control/things they controlled well/things they messed up at the same TIME in their presidencies!

                        But, given your displayed inability to figure things out, I'm not surprised that you would have overlooked THIS point.

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                        • Author by Slow Cowboy (March 19, 2010 3:03 pm ET)
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                          You obviously miss me saying there were indeed problems with the date comparison.

                          I stated it was fair, not perfect. I also stated situational comparisons have some merit, too.
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                          • Author by DellDolly (March 19, 2010 8:09 pm ET)
                               
                            It's NOT fair. It's NEVER fair.

                            It's closest to being fair the first day they get elected, but even then, the president before, his sucesses and failures, the economy, the type of campaign that was run, and many other things ALL color the opinion of the President.

                            Comparing two separate individuals like this is NEVER fair.

                            And no, I did NOT miss anything. You said it was fair. I said it wasn't.
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                            • Author by Slow Cowboy (March 19, 2010 11:31 pm ET)
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                              As she says stomping her feet and crying....

                              You are right that a lot of things color how a president starts out. We are not really all that far off on this count, Dolly.

                              I just happen to think it is a fair baramoter, but I do not deny its shortcomings (and that is what you do not address). Kind of important, that is. See, instead of seeking any sort of common place to make an argument from you attack and stomp and yell.
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              • Author by rumpleteasermom (March 18, 2010 10:42 am ET)
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                Obamas First year approval rating drop was the biggest in modern History.


                Hmm . . . the only other president in recent history who started office with numbers as high as Obama's was Truman and guess what? His fell by over 40% points in his first year.

                Obama, over more than a year, has not fallen even half that much. And the current TREND which is what we are discussing is staying damn near perfectly level over the last 6 months. So, "free fall" is not accurate.

                And again, I wonder why the media is allowed to lie and commit libel unpunished and even uncorrected so frequently?

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                • Author by rumpleteasermom (March 18, 2010 10:48 am ET)
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                  Hmm . . . the only other president in recent history who started office with numbers as high as Obama's was Truman and guess what?


                  Okay, I miss spoke. Others have started around the same level as Obama besides Truman. Ford, Carter and Reagan all started in the high 60s/low 70s and all posted similar drops in approval their first year - all around the 15-20% rate like Obama.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 19, 2010 6:48 pm ET)
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            Psst. hiligher I know you are always hilariously ill-informed. But, Obama is not running for election in November. Seriously. Look it up.
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        • Author by rumpleteasermom (March 18, 2010 10:32 am ET)
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          Hrmm dont know why that graph wont post.


          It's because it is not a static image, it is an interactive flash graphic.
          hereit is as a link.
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    • Author by CoolSlaw (March 17, 2010 4:25 pm ET)
         
      It can be argued that these soft smear stories published by what is commonly called the "main stream media" are worse then the daily outlandish attacks thrown around by self identified conservative media personalities.

      This gives cover and credibility to the shameless smear merchants and partisan hacks who spout co-ordinated vitriolic and often baseless attacks against the president as part of an ongoing narrative.

      To answer the reflex conservative defense of the poll numbers and the claim that there is no misinformation here, I would suggest you read the article and recall that these same publications were slow to note the previous administration's actual popularity plummet until it became so overwhelming that the historic decline in itself was difficult to ignore. While there is technically no misinformation when carefully parsed, it does reveal the mainstream media's blatant bias.
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    • Author by vwcat (March 17, 2010 7:48 pm ET)
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      the press is trying to push this onto the public. and they have not learned that for the most part, we are not buying it and haven't for years.
      this is the same press that tried to torpedo Clinton and obsessed over the Lewensky thing. Yet, he left office with over 60 percent approval.
      This is the same press that rolled for for Bush and paid homage to Rove.
      This is the same press that has been nit picking and dramatizing the making of the health care bill. Not a peep over how the republicans got their bills passed. But, now everything is made to seem like it is unethical, bribery and crooked when in fact, it is typical procedures.
      And this is the same press that has been criticizing Obama for doing one then and then, sometimes in the same breath contradicting themselves because he did it another way.
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      • Author by mr gray (March 18, 2010 8:30 am ET)
           
        not buying - whew - you don't live where I live. People here are ready to move him out of the white house themselves.
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    • Author by GreenLantern (March 17, 2010 9:47 pm ET)
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      Propaganda 101.
      The press is simply doing what their republican owners tell them to do. Vilify Democrats, make sure that their anti-american cash cow (Profits over people) is properly milked and screw what the press could be and should be in a government such as ours.
      If it were truly a "librul media" President Obamas' ratings would be through the roof. I thank God every day that we now have an intelligent, thoughtful and creative president.
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      • Author by waltp (March 18, 2010 4:32 pm ET)
           
        amen to that !
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      • Author by Junky Doll (March 19, 2010 11:21 am ET)
           
        Not true Dave. The "Librul Media" can't keep viewers from flocking to Fox. Whats it tell you? That even the Independents have regrets for being lied to by Obama. He promised "transparency and openness" and campaigned from the center. Thats not what he's giving us. Turned out to be just another social welfare supporter. We don't owe anything to our neighbor that we aren't willing to give them ourselves. November is just around the corner Bro.
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    • Author by rpark123 (March 17, 2010 11:40 pm ET)
         
      This site perpetuates polarization with spin, twists and outright lies. I find it ironic that NO alternative positions are posted. Pat yourselves on the back..yes you really do know how the economy works, what healthcare is all about and more about this 'complex' bill that the intellectually inferior independents and conservatives that outnumber you cannot possible grasp. Having been born in another country with the system you are heading towards I can honestly say HISTORY ALWAYS REPEATS ITSELF and the predicted decline of America began in 2008!!!!!!!!
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    • Author by libzrtards (March 18, 2010 4:59 pm ET)
         
      "From September 1, 2009, to March 1, 2010, there was literally no change in Obama's approval rating"

      "August 20, 2009: 51 percent
      September 23, 2009: 52 percent
      October 4, 2009: 52 percent
      November 4, 2009: 51 percent
      December 7, 2009: 49 percent
      January 11, 2010: 48 percent
      February 18: 48 percent
      March 3: 49 percent"


      MMFA caught lying, again. How can ANYONE think this website is legit?
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    • Author by Slow Cowboy (March 19, 2010 1:52 pm ET)
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      I have to point out an important difference in poll numbers between Bush and Obama: Bush won a very contested election, where he won the electoral college and not the popular vote. He was already controversial in that half of the population did not even vote for him. And a large portion of those where adamantly against him accusing him of stealing the election.

      Obama came in as a big winner with initially very high numbers. Sure, there were people very much against him, but his drop in popularity and the present poll numbers seem more significant than Bush's, which held constant through this point in his term.

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      • Author by DellDolly (March 19, 2010 2:33 pm ET)
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        What ARE you talking about?

        Are you unaware of what happened in the first year of Bush's presidency that made a HUGE difference to his poll numbers? Bush's numbers "constant"?

        Total ignoramus.
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        • Author by Slow Cowboy (March 19, 2010 3:01 pm ET)
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          You asking about 9/11? Of course, that should be pretty obvious, as you seem to state.

          I am talking about something you mentioned above, dear Dolly, that Obama came in with much higher ratings than W. That they fell is indeed noteworthy.

          I know you will say that it is not, but how can it not be relevant? He came in promising the world, a wolrd of post-partisanship and bliss. A world of full openness and to get rid of the Washington in Washington. Hope and change was his mantra.

          But when people look around, they see none of those, and the change they see coming scares them, for good reason, I think. And they continue to reject him for not only disagreement with policy, but because of the emptiness of his promises, many of which he has thrown to the wind, like openness.

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          • Author by DellDolly (March 19, 2010 8:18 pm ET)
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            Again, I am going on what YOU typed - that Bush's numbers stayed nearly constant through this point in his (Bush's) term, and that's nonsense!

            Look at this link and tell us how his approval ratings look constant.

            He started out a little above 50, then dropped to about 45, then jumped up to 85 or 90% right after 9/11, and then had a precipitous drop over the next 18 months.

            You have no clue what nonsense you're spouting. You're just throwing stuff out.

            Obama's ratings were abnormally high - they're now back at reasonable normal levels, so one should NOT portray this as the same kind of a drop someone might have had if they had come into office with normal expectations and a normal approval rating, and then dropped a similar amount!

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            • Author by Slow Cowboy (March 19, 2010 11:19 pm ET)
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              Uhm, Dolly, I have never once argued about comparing the two at a given in time, except to say it is a fair arbiter. ANd it is fair only to show along a timeline. It helps because it shows after they have been in office and people are starting to figure them out at about the same time.

              I have said there are troubles with it, though, too. You don't want to even engage on it. You just want to attack, attack, attack.

              And I do state that Obama's numbers are important. You disagree. Whoopty do! What a surprise! But you don't discuss, you ram.

              I also stated why I think Obama's numbers are important. Yet you are not even addressing that. Again, you attack.

              You attack by insult. You are a bully, frankly. You hope that if you scream loud enough and throw enough insults people will back down. If you haven't noticed-- it doesn't work.

              Please, if you wish to discuss , discuss. If I want a shouting match, I'll pick a fight with my wife.
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    • Author by jerryaguy (March 19, 2010 8:18 pm ET)
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      It's congress with the low numbers.
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