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Media Matters: The week that followed the end of America as we know it

March 26, 2010 7:52 pm ET

This week was a big deal, folks. And it's not because America, as we know it, is over. Congress passed major health care reform legislation -- even though the media declared it "dead" just two months ago -- and President Obama signed it into law.

On Monday, we rubbed our eyes after a long, difficult year of debate, took a look around, and realized two things had happened that would affect our lives: The U.S. has a new health care system that extends benefits to millions of the uninsured, and Rush Limbaugh decided he is not moving to Costa Rica after all.

When "Armageddon" didn't rain down after health care was passed, as the conservative media warned that it would, Fox News and the noise machine scrambled to find new ways to delegitimize the law, basically hurling every argument possible at it to see what stuck.

Here's what they came up with: On-the-fence Democrats who voted "aye" were BRIBED!

The Drudge Report, Bret Baier, Eric Bolling, Betsy McCaughey, and right-wing blogs saw something fishy behind federal grants given to airports in Rep. Bart Stupak's (D-MI) district and suggested that the funds may have bought his vote. (No matter that the grants were awarded in 47 states, including in Republican districts.) Fox News' Andrew Napolitano claimed Rep. Jim Matheson (D-UT) "changed his vote to yes" after his brother was offered a judgeship. (Oops: Matheson voted against the bill.) Napolitano also accused Rep. Alan Mollohan (D-WV) of changing his vote after the Justice Department ended an ethics investigation on him. (Mollohan's vote was the same before and after the investigation ended.)

The media also revived the falsehood that the bill funds abortions with taxpayer dollars, focusing their attacks on Stupak over his support for finalizing the bill. Gateway Pundit seized on Rep. Randy Neugebauer's (R-TX) accusation that Stupak supported a "baby-killer" bill, and Glenn Beck said Stupak was going to "lose his soul" and that he wanted to be "right behind" Stupak at eternal judgment.

The conservative media also pushed the idea that the law could be voided because it isn't constitutional. By Wednesday, Fox News had interviewed at least nine Republican state attorneys general to promote their efforts to overturn the law through lawsuits. The blogs liked that idea, too: HotAir's Ed Morrissey said the courts "seem like a fruitful place to deconstruct ObamaCare."

Legal scholars, however, dispute that the law is unconstitutional, noting that regulation of the health care sector falls under Congress' broad power to regulate interstate commerce. Even Newt Gingrich, who said he's "glad" the AGs are suing, called winning an "outside chance."

As always, claims about the bill and its supporters devolved to baseless name-calling. There was the creative: health reform is like the Black Plague, the Jonestown massacre, the Day the Music Died, etc. The shameless: health reform is like Pearl Harbor and the Hindenburg. The old and tired: "The Democratic Party now officially is the Socialist Party." And the bottom of the barrel: cost analysts at the Congressional Budget Office are just a "bunch of liars."

The debate this week also took a very serious turn toward violence. When news broke that several Democrats in Congress had been threatened with physical violence and racial and anti-gay epithets, the conservative media initially condemned it. And then they accused, and denied, and rationalized.

Gretchen Carlson said it's "disappointing" that Democrats decided to publicly discuss the threats because it's "such a political thing" and suggested they "stop discussing it altogether." Brian Kilmeade asked whether Democrats were "using" the threats "to their advantage to marginalize Republican opposition," and Sean Hannity wondered whether the attention brought to racial slurs was an "effort to smear conservatives."

Andrew Breitbart offered to give $10,000 to the United Negro College Fund if someone could "provide hard evidence that the N- word was hurled" at civil rights leader Rep. John Lewis as he walked through a crowd of tea party activists before the vote. The Fox Nation wasn't quite as sure as Breitbart; one of its headlines asked: "Was Tea Party Story a Racial Rant or a Set-up?" The Washington Times quoted Dale Robertson, founder of teaparty.org, in an article as saying that Democrats are "trying to label the tea party [as racist], but I've never seen any racial slurs." So much for source vetting: Robertson is the tea partier who was reportedly kicked out of a 2009 tea party event at which he carried a sign reading, "Congress = Slaveowner, Taxpayer = Niggar [sic]."

National Review Online's Kathryn Jean Lopez and The Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes both rationalized it in the same way: hey, threats are "commonplace" and they "happen all the time."

What's more, some in the media used the passage of health care legislation to continue their long tradition of violent rhetoric over the health care issue. Beck, who repeatedly stoked fear this week over health care reform passing with violent rhetoric like "war" and "armed insurrection," said the administration was "poking and prodding" and "begging" opponents of the bill to commit violence, and that Obama "punched" Americans in the face with health reform. Beck also compared this time to the "second American Revolution" and wondered if progressives would have "killed us all" if reform had failed.

Sarah Palin took to her Facebook page with a mapped list of House Democrats who voted for health care reform with crosshairs aimed at their locations. In a March 23 tweet about her map, Palin wrote: "Don't Retreat, Instead -- RELOAD!"

Other stories this week

Beck redistributes attacks on Wallis

We noted last week that Rev. Jim Wallis, the editor of Sojourners magazine and Obama adviser, was coming under attack by right-wing media for his advocacy on social justice. This week, the attacks intensified, led by -- you guessed it -- Glenn Beck.

Beck compared Wallis to the "anti-Semitic religious broadcaster" Father Coughlin and accused him of "pervert[ing]" and "distorting the gospel" and promoting "the devil's way." The reason? Beck repeatedly claimed comments Wallis made in 2006 about "absolutely" calling for the "redistribution of wealth" is proof he is a "Marxist" who "claims the gospel of Jesus Christ is about a central government taking money from individuals and then distributing it."

Of course, Beck was using selectively edited audio of Wallis' interview with Interfaith Voices in which he was discussing individuals who "transformed" their lives to focus on charity and highlighting how Bill and Melinda Gates have been "doing a redistribution of wealth" through their philanthropy.

Beck also seized on audio in which Wallis recounted his first meeting with Dorothy Day to claim that Wallis admitted he was a "Marxist." In fact, Wallis recounted discussing with Day their "conversion" from "secular radicalism and Marxism to Jesus Christ." Not to be outdone by Beck, Breitbart.tv posted a Naked Emperor News video that also distorted Wallis' comments to claim he advocated "forced redistribution of wealth."

Wallis responded to Beck in a lengthy March 24 post. He said, in part, about his "redistribution of wealth" comments: "Instead Beck said that what I meant was...you guessed it: 'forced redistribution, socialism, and Marxism.' Hmm, don't ever remember saying that (it will be hard for Fox to find the videos of that), or even remember any of my fellow traveler social justice Christians ever saying or supporting that... But we do say that while social justice begins with our own lives, choices, and sacrifices, it doesn't end there."

Gone witch-huntin': Liu is the latest target in attacks on Obama's judicial nominations

In the latest attack on Obama's judicial nominations, right-wing blogs such as Verum Serum, Atlas Shrugs, and Ace of Spades have distorted comments that appeals court nominee Goodwin Liu made in a 2008 discussion about the legacy of slavery to suggest he supports "reparations."

In fact, nowhere in his speech did Liu state that he supports "reparations"; rather, he suggested that people should deal with the legacy of slavery by working at the community level on issues like "access to food, health care, problems with their houses."

Washington Examiner columnist Theodore H. Frank also claimed Liu was "disqualif[ied]" from that position because he purportedly spoke "against private ownership of property." In fact, Liu merely identified the term "private ownership of property," as used by an organization then-Supreme Court nominee John Roberts was affiliated with, as indicative of "an ideological agenda hostile to environmental, workplace, and consumer protections."

As we noted, Liu reportedly has support from conservatives, including The Goldwater Institute's Clint Bolick, John Yoo -- the Bush administration lawyer who authored the infamous torture memos -- and James Guthrie, education policy studies director at the George W. Bush Institute in Dallas.

This week's media columns

This week's media columns from the Media Matters senior fellows: Eric Boehlert further examines the right-wing meltdown over health care.

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    • Author by DellDolly (March 26, 2010 8:24 pm ET)
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      I liked how Obama said that he looked around after he had finished signing the bill to see if Armageddon had actually arrived.

      It hadn't, of course.
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      • Author by rkcomments (March 27, 2010 3:41 pm ET)
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        "End of America as we know it" is conservative code for "I can't believe a black man is in-charge now".
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    • Author by my4cents (March 26, 2010 8:54 pm ET)
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      Death panels should be here any second now.
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      • Author by RoadScholar (March 29, 2010 11:49 am ET)
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        Oh, yeah. Grannie's toast. And any day now the euthanasia trucks are gonna come around for fat people.

        And it's just a matter of time before men start marrying horses.
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    • Author by bilbo_dies (March 26, 2010 9:27 pm ET)
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      National Review Online's Kathryn Jean Lopez and The Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes both rationalized it in the same way: hey, threats are "commonplace" and they "happen all the time."

      Yup, threats are commonplace and happen all the time.....
      In a redneck bar around 1am on Friday night/Saturday morning.

      As part of political discourse threats beyond "we will work to vote you out of office" should be dissuaded by all sides.

      The actual invective that has been part and parcel of the health care debate, both before and after passage, should shame everyone who is involved in even the slightest way.

      Tea Partiers, that would include you too. Want to prove you aren't a bunch of racists?
      Then adopt a "No Tolerance" policy. Anyone use any kind of violent rhetoric, signs, etc then kick them out. Publicly!!
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      • Author by poproxx77 (March 26, 2010 10:12 pm ET)
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        You self-righteous indignation is so typical. Are your memories really this short. Where was the left, where was the media, when people were threatening Bush, when they were calling him a Nazi, and a terrorist, where were the calls of civility?

        You are a hypocrite.

        Hypocrisy
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        • Author by Conchobhar (March 26, 2010 11:55 pm ET)
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          What threats? I remember a lot of name calling, but no threats. You do know that those are investigated by the Secret Service, right?
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        • Author by Bongo Fury (March 27, 2010 12:33 am ET)
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          See..Patriot Act.Hypocricy is that.Change is essential and it's long overdue.As far as Bush goes,some had their eyes open and weren't blinded by the jingoism that became so blindly served up.
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        • Author by bintx (March 27, 2010 1:11 am ET)
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          I never heard any threats. Even the Secret Service has noted that there has been a HUGE increase in threats against the President's life. My objections to GWB were a) that he lied us into invading a country which had not attacked us, had not threatened us and did not have the means to attack us (which he knew); b) that he trashed the 4th Amendment; c) that he besmirched the good name of my country by ordering torture; d) that he, with the help of a very, very compliant Republican-led Congress took a budget surplus and turned it into the largest deficit in our country's history; e) almost completely destroyed our economy; f) turned terrorism from the White House into a cottage industry; and g) walked away from the mess like he has done with every other mess he's made in his life, and there have been many, and allowed someone else to take the blame for and the responsibility for cleaning it up.

          I wasn't an Obama supporter, but so far, I really don't have that much to complain about except that he has not allowed his AG to go after the war criminals from the prior administration and he has not gotten rid of the provisions of the Patriot Act and the FISA amendment which are invasive of 4th Amendment rights.

          I don't really care what political club a politician belongs to . . . I just want them to act responsibly and to respect our Constitution. Oh, and to be very honest with you Bush was acting a helluva lot more like a dictator than the current president.
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          • Author by poproxx77 (March 27, 2010 1:48 pm ET)
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            Always have to sound off about why you object to Bush. Typical, but pointless, the arguement isn't validated becaue you think Bush deserved to be threatened and Obama doesn't.

            "Even the Secret Service has noted that there has been a HUGE increase in threats against the President's life."

            What is your point? How is that proof that only conservatives support violence, or that the tea party movement is full of BEck zombies intent on murder and racism? Your extrapolation of circumstanial evidence is ill conceived.

            "I don't really care what political club a politician belongs to . . . I just want them to act responsibly and to respect our Constitution. Oh, and to be very honest with you Bush was acting a helluva lot more like a dictator than the current president. "

            Again, if you have a problem with Bush, why post here in repsonse to my post? It has nothing to do with the subject.
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            • Author by n'est-ce pas (March 27, 2010 3:04 pm ET)
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              I think his Bush comments are better read as an aside than the main point. He didn't excuse violent rhetoric, and I don't think he said that he'd provided "proof that only conservatives support violence...." He said that there were no, or very few, threats against President Bush, but that President Obama has received several death threats, according to the Secret Service. Democratic lawmakers are being threatened, their offices and homes have been vandalized, and their families directly threatened with assassination. Who's excusing what?
              And there were many, many calls from the left denouncing the Bush = Hitler rhetoric. I, for one, found it objectionable because it made our side look inarticulate. Bush was the worst President in American history. I thought that liberals should avoid cliches and construct verbiage and imagery that arose to the occasion. I mean, Bush was a madman, no question. But that doesn't excuse transgressing against Godwin's Law....
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            • Author by usp (March 28, 2010 12:03 am ET)
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              you're a nazi. the end. shut up.
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            • Author by jiminva (March 28, 2010 8:30 am ET)
                 
              I think he was trying to give you context and establish himself as a thinking moderate, maybe even conservative.
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            • Author by DellDolly (March 29, 2010 2:50 pm ET)
                 
              In fact, Bush and Clinton both got about the same number of death threats as Obama is getting.

              So what?

              Bush actually was a screw-up responsible for a lot of idiotic things. The same can't be said for Obama, but he gets the same amount of vitriol.

              The criticism of Bush is for his behavior. That's appropriate.

              The criticism of Obama is for who he is. That's inappropriate. At least a small percentage of it is because he's black. A large percentage is because he's a Democrat. A large percentage of it is because he's not a Republican. Some percentage of it is just because Beck and Limbaugh and FoxNews continually lead their audiences to believe that their false portrayals of both Republicans and Democrats are accurate.
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          • Author by DellDolly (March 29, 2010 2:45 pm ET)
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            The Secret Service has NOT, in fact, documented that there are currently a lot more threats on Obama than on the previous two Presidents. Rick Sanchez said something incorrect on CNN that has become an urban myth. It's likely that the threats right around inauguration time were really higher than other Presidents had faced, but it's doesn't appear to be an ongoing problem.

            From a video clip, watch Washington, DC Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton questioning the head of the Secret Service, Mark Sullivan.

            NORTON: Please don't assign to me a number in my question. I just asked you if the threats were up. Are the threats up or not, Mr. Sullivan?

            SULLIVAN: They are not. The threats right now in the inappropriate interest that we're seeing is the same level as it has been for the previous two presidents at this point.
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        • Author by bintx (March 27, 2010 1:12 am ET)
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          I might add that you probably want to get better sources than the one you posted above.
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        • Author by ProgLib (March 27, 2010 7:08 am ET)
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          First of all, using Noel Sheppard, an embarrassment to all media watchdoggers out there, as a source, let alone his pathetic Newsbusters blog, is pretty sad. What Mr. Sheppard fails to realize is that nobody at those rallies holding up what were also very despicable signs wanting to hang and burn George Bush didn't ever act on their threats. And, we invaded 2 countries and went into serious debt in THIS country, yet, there were no liberals and hippies out there throwing bricks through congressman's windows who supported Bush's corrupt ways and calling them leaving death threats or vandalizing their homes and cutting gas lines.

          Second, Mr. Sheppard ignorantly asks, "What's changed, and why?"... did he happen to miss all the actual violence that took place these past few days? It's not only about the signs that were held up... it's the actions that followed their threats. So that is what has changed... the liberals made threats, but didn't take any action, as they shouldn't, but the far-right wingnuts made their threats and DID act on them. Now, what part of that is hard to understand?
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          • Author by steeve (March 27, 2010 9:55 am ET)
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            One more difference -- the tea party loons are backed up by national republican politicians. The leftist loons were not.
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            • Author by poproxx77 (March 27, 2010 2:17 pm ET)
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              Did I forget when Mary Landrieu said : I'll Punch Bush, 'Literally'

              I assume you know who Mary LAndrieu is.
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              • Author by steeve (March 27, 2010 3:36 pm ET)
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                "If one person criticizes them [local Katrina responders] or says one more thing – including the president of the United States – he will hear from me. One more word about it after this show airs and I might likely have to punch him. Literally."

                Not quite the same as multiple republican leaders repeatedly validating every single one of the tea partiers' biggest imaginary fears, is it?
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              • Author by jiminva (March 28, 2010 8:34 am ET)
                   
                Wait. What? Source? Link? What was the context. Some of us have jobs so we can pay our mortgages and raise our kids and pay our taxes. I don't usually get here until the evenings. When did M.L. do this? Context?
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          • Author by poproxx77 (March 27, 2010 2:15 pm ET)
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            I like shepards because it was visual. Here are some other sources.

            here

            here

            here

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            • Author by ProgLib (March 27, 2010 11:43 pm ET)
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              Again, anybody who protests and commits actions like that is crossing the line, whether they are Democrats or Republicans. But, compared to right now, after what the teabaggers and anti-liberal nutjobs have done, the Democrats never tried to rationalize the actions of those democrat supporters who did what they did. That's all the Republicans are doing right now... pretending like these protesters and people have a reason to be angry and upset when they are simply being fueled by lies and propaganda to PURPOSELY get angry. Last time I checked, the Democrats weren't asking their people to start a revolution and do everything they can to stop legislation from passing. Again, as bad as what those democrat supporters did in their protests, it was not accepted in the least by Democratic lawmakers. So your comparisons are apples and oranges.
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            • Author by RSJ (March 28, 2010 8:07 am ET)
                 
              Oh, boo, hoo, Poproxx77 -- somebody threw a shoe at Richard Perle; some other clowns slashed a couple of tires; someone allegedly ripped up a Bush-Cheney sign and some other people entered a GOP office -- open to the public -- and drew a mustache and horns on a poster of poor Junior Bush? Were they part of some unified movement encouraged by, say, MSNBC and the Demcrats, and paid for by George Soros -- maybe the Patriotic Poster Defacers for Liberty or the Tire-Slashers for a Better America? This is your proof that the left and the right are equal in this regard?

              Seriously, these random acts of stupidity are the same to you as a well-funded, organized movement that's armed, has called for revolution, has received the encouragement of the GOP, and has one of its leaders asking members to 'reload' and target congressional representatives? (Oh, I know Palin didn't 'mean' to encourage gun violence -- so she says -- but just imagine the firestorm if a left-winger had said this about Republicans. Beck's chalk would have been worn to a nub.)

              Are you trying to commit satire here?
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            • Author by jiminva (March 28, 2010 8:36 am ET)
                 
              Be careful what you wish for. If the GOP now rationalizes violence as reasonable because people are "upset" then when the shoe is on the other foot, it will be ok for us traitorous, commie, hippie, pot-smoking, libs to threaten, throw bricks, leave hate voice mail etc.
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        • Author by coldteablues19577325 (March 27, 2010 6:23 pm ET)
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          "You self-righteous indignation is so typical. Are your memories really this short. Where was the left, where was the media, when people were threatening Bush, when they were calling him a Nazi, and a terrorist, where were the calls of civility?

          You are a hypocrite.
          "

          The most threatening behavior that I recall are people being escorted away from his [Bush] path in order that he not see their choice of shirt ware. That's a long way from death threats and cut gas lines.
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          • Author by coldteablues19577325 (March 27, 2010 6:28 pm ET)
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            "The most threatening behavior that I recall a
            were people being escorted away from his [Bush] path in order that he not see their choice of shirt wear. That's a long way from death threats and cut gas lines."

            Should have previewed first.
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        • Author by Peter Principle (March 27, 2010 10:05 pm ET)
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          I do remember some people calling Bush a Nazi, or at least comparing him to a Nazi. Might have had something to do with his decision to launch an illegal war of aggression. Or maybe it was use of waterboarding (that old Gestapo standby). Or maybe it was the warrantless wiretapping. Or the legal doctrine of the absolute supremecy of the Leader developed by his minions in the Justice Department. I can't remember exactly. But it was a totally off the wall analogy, of course.




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        • Author by usp (March 28, 2010 12:02 am ET)
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          hey nazi, remember...there was no dissent. if there was? you'd be hauled off to jail. remember having to sign a pledge BEFORE going to see Bush talk? i do.

          you? you are dangerous. probably evil. the right must burn.
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          • Author by magnolialover (March 28, 2010 4:09 pm ET)
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            They also forget that, the national media were not calling Bush a Nazi, individuals were doing that, sure, and they were wrong as well.

            Now we have major media sources calling our President a Nazi.

            Slight difference there.
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        • Author by RSJ (March 28, 2010 7:36 am ET)
             
          Poproxx77, do you mean at those 'Free Speech Zones' a mile away from where Bush was speaking, or the anti-war protests where I don't recall anyone attending with a firearm, or bearing signs that read, "We came unarmed -- this time"?

          BTW, all of the peace groups involved in various protests denounced the violent actions of a few anarchists who broke windows and hurled insults. There were calls from the left for civility at the time; perhaps you were too busy listening to Rush Limbaugh to hear them.

          Bush advocated torture; so did the Nazis; Bush ignored the laws against wiretapping, among others; so did the Nazis. Bush invaded a country based on lies; so did the Nazis. Bush incarcerated American citizens (Jose Padilla) without honoring their Constitutional right to due process; the Nazis did the same. The reason he was called a Nazi was due to these and other parallels to Hitler's Regime.

          What has Obama done to prove he's a socialist, or a Muslim, or a communist, or any of the other scurrilous terms used by the right these days?

          Moreover, Bush was illegally appointed to office by the Supreme Court in 2000, even though he lost the popular vote to Gore and Florida law mandated a statewide recount to determine that state's electoral vote; when progressives objected that this SC decision was unconstitutional, since only Congress is constitutionally charged with settling disputed presidential elections, they were smugly told by conservatives to "Get over it." I recommend the same advice to you now, with the added advantage that Obama was legally elected by a majority of the popular and electoral vote, not appointed by five unelected judges.

          Your hypocrisy charge is sheer nonsense; you don't know the difference between dragonfly and a dragon.
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        • Author by jiminva (March 28, 2010 8:30 am ET)
             
          Threats against anyone is uncalled for. Wrong. You happy? Anytime I saw something uncivil like that during President Bush's administration I cringed. It was usually some wild-eyed, immature college kid, liberal, anarchist. To my knowledge, refresh my memory if wrong, we on the Democratic side of the aisle did not start a movement, grass roots or no, to storm Congress and threaten GOP members for voting for the war.

          That said, I'm sure the grass-roots folks who showed up outside his ranch in Texas had some pretty strong placards. But they were traitors right? Cuz they didn't love President Bush.
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    • Author by Silver Salmon (March 27, 2010 12:58 am ET)
         
      The Democrats, for whatever reason, are selling the insanity way short.

      I've been attempting to keep up with the threats. At least 38 Democrats - 37 Reps. and 1 Senator - have been threatened this week alone. Some have been sent dog feces, Anthony Weiner was sent white powder. Alan Grayson's young child picked up a ringing phone to hear a death threat.

      I fear that by being the loudest, the nutjobs are winning. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution is currently a mess of paranoia, some of it fueled by their political bloggers.
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    • Author by MagCynic (March 27, 2010 11:15 am ET)
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      Michael Moore:
      And the healthcare bill that was passed ultimately will be seen as a victory for capitalism, because it protected the capitalist model of providing healthcare for people.
      I'm still kind of shocked that any of you wanted this bill passed. The only things of merit this bill does is prevent the insurance companies from discriminating against sick people. That's it. You could have had a simple one page bill that did this and it would've cost the taxpayers the price of ink and paper.
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      • Author by afriend (March 27, 2010 1:51 pm ET)
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        So MagCynic is officially a Michael Moore fan. Please keep this on file for further reference.
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      • Author by halfawake (March 27, 2010 2:09 pm ET)
           
        The only things of merit this bill does is prevent the insurance companies from discriminating against sick people.


        I agree that preventing insurance companies from discriminating against sick people is a merited step.

        I also kinda liked the part about insuring 32 million uninsured Americans and reducing the federal deficit by more than $100 billion over next ten years.
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      • Author by steeve (March 27, 2010 3:42 pm ET)
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        Of course the system is unsustainable if only sick people are in it.

        Since your important voice in favor of single payer (which you seem to clearly prefer to both the current bill and the old system) was absent when it counted, it all went downhill.
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      • Author by coldteablues19577325 (March 27, 2010 6:36 pm ET)
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        "Michael Moore:
        And the healthcare bill that was passed ultimately will be seen as a victory for capitalism, because it protected the capitalist model of providing healthcare for people.
        I'm still kind of shocked that any of you wanted this bill passed. The only things of merit this bill does is prevent the insurance companies from discriminating against sick people. That's it. You could have had a simple one page bill that did this and it would've cost the taxpayers the price of ink and paper." --MagCynic


        Michael ALSO had a lot more to discuss than the above. I suggest you watch this clip for a better understanding.
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      • Author by RSJ (March 28, 2010 8:19 am ET)
           
        "I'm still kind of shocked that any of you wanted this bill passed. The only things of merit this bill does is prevent the insurance companies from discriminating against sick people. That's it."

        Not entirely true, MagCynic; it also provides health care to 32 million people who currently have none and establishes about 8,000 new health clinics across the country. It's by no means everything I wanted but, now that it's passed, like Social Security and Medicare, it can be improved on in the future, and it opens the door to eventually passing single-payer universal care.
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (March 29, 2010 12:38 pm ET)
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        You could have had a simple one page bill....

        And the stimulus/response Republicans would still have voted against it. The fact that there were many things in the bill that they said they wanted and still voted against it en masse proves that.
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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (March 27, 2010 12:31 pm ET)
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      These crybabies on the FAR RIGHT are like spoiled little babies when they don't get their way. I hope they and their REPUBLICAN allies continue to be marginalized until they truly become insignificant.
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      • Author by goshzilla (March 27, 2010 3:22 pm ET)
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        Other than a mild headache I feel pretty fine about the end of the world.
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    • Author by kyle b.c. (March 27, 2010 3:48 pm ET)
         
      i wannna be behind GLENN BECK on the day of Judgement.
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    • Author by webprogrammer (March 27, 2010 4:35 pm ET)
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      Beck, who repeatedly stoked fear this week over health care reform passing with violent rhetoric like "war" and "armed insurrection," said the administration was "poking and prodding" and "begging" opponents of the bill to commit violence...


      That's one of my favorites because it so clearly demonstrates the pathology at work. "I didn't want to beat my wife. She made me do it. She knows how much it bothers me when she asks me not to beat her. I had no choice!" If and when right-wingers commit violence, it's because Democrats made them do it by not giving them what they want. Pretty typical actually.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (March 27, 2010 8:05 pm ET)
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      "When they stop telling lies about us, we'll stop telling the truth about them!"

      ~Adlai Stevenson

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      Great write-up!
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    • Author by Peter Principle (March 27, 2010 10:00 pm ET)
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      The week that followed the end of America as we know it

      Typical liberal media exaggeration. We didn't say it was end of America as we know it -- just the end of American constitutional liberty as we know it.

      Get your facts straight.

      Signed,
      The Teabaggers
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      • Author by Jeremy Danials (March 28, 2010 1:12 am ET)
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        I'd say using the term "Armageddon" qualifies. So our facts ARE straight. Also, Given the numerous interpretations in which this can be qualified (General Welfare, Taxation )though they don't want to call it that), Interstate Commerce, and the Supremacy Clause), I'd say that we got this one right. Plus, Obama, being a Constitutional Law major at Harvard, a school not known for producing idiots (unlike Yale, lol), would've vetoed anything that ran afoul of the Constitution.

        TEABAG THIS, IF YOU GOT THE BAGS.
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      • Author by RSJ (March 28, 2010 8:12 am ET)
           
        What an appropriate sign off from a person who uses the handle 'Peter Principle': 'The Teabaggers' More hilarity from the right -- unintentional though it may be.
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      • Author by jiminva (March 28, 2010 8:46 am ET)
           
        That's really a horrible handle. Peter Principle?

        Anyway, you're wrong.

        Mark Steyn said this would lead to Armageddon. As in nuclear war.

        This was largely republican bill developed by the Heritage Foundation in the 90's in response to the Clinton plan.
        The problem is the teabaggers have decided they hate democrats so much they will oppose everything. I hope this hastens the GOP demise because we need a viable second party. Having the Democratic party and a weak, irrational, reactionary, know-nothing GOP will lead to a stronger Democratic party and inevitable corruption and abuse.

        Get your facts straight. Your peter has risen to it's level of incompetence.
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    • Author by spongeworthy (March 28, 2010 12:22 pm ET)
         
      It wasn't so long ago that the Beck/Hannity/Limbaugh cabal was telling us that criticizing the president was unconstitutional! They wanted to deport, imprison or waterboard people like me who had the audacity to question the war in Iraq. What is so galling about all the spittle flying from the lunatic fringe is that it's so hypocritical. If it's wrong for one side, it's wrong for both. You can not sit by quietly while the previous administration racks up the biggest government deficit in the history of the world and then advocate armed revolution because the other side wants to add to said deficit. I'm not a big fan of what Obama was doing, but I wasn't a fan when Bush was doing it either.
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