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O'Reilly brought Christmas war to Cavuto

December 01, 2005 6:03 pm ET

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On the November 30 edition of Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto, Bill O'Reilly continued his campaign to promote use of the holiday greeting "Merry Christmas" in retail stores. His effort to combat retail stores he believes are replacing "Merry Christmas" with the nondenominational "Happy Holidays" is part of his broader mission "to rescue" the Christmas holiday from "secular progressives."

To lead the segment, Cavuto aired O'Reilly's November 28 advice to corporate America that "[e]very company in America should be on its knees thanking Jesus for being born." O'Reilly then estimated that 15 percent of the country was not Christian and, of those, "maybe 1 percent are totally insane ... They're the ones who are offended." When Cavuto countered that some businesses were trying to be more inclusive, O'Reilly rebuked, "This is insulting to Christian America."

O'Reilly recently advanced his theory that an organized "secular progressive" movement is implementing a "very secret plan" against Christianity in America. He reiterated his concern -- which he previously discussed on the November 18 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor -- about the secular progressive agenda:

O'REILLY: [T]hey [secular progressives] don't want any message of spirituality or Judeo-Christian tradition because that stands in the way of gay marriage, legalized drugs, euthanasia, all of the greatest hits on the secular progressive play card.

O'Reilly then pointed to progressive financier George Soros as "the moneyman behind it" and declared, "I say, fight back."

From the November 30 edition of Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto:

CAVUTO: Well, you know, on Monday night my colleague Bill O'Reilly said something so simple, controversial, but so dead-on accurate. I want you to listen to this. Take a look.

O'REILLY [video clip]: Every company in America should be on their knees thanking Jesus for being born. Without Christmas, most American businesses would be far less profitable. More than enough reason for business to be screaming "Merry Christmas."

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O'REILLY: Well, it's absurd. This is so insane, I don't think of anything -- I've seen anything this stupid in the 30 years I've been in this business. Here you have a national public holiday signed into law by Ulysses S. Grant in 1870. Christmas, all right? Federal holiday, everybody gets off, no mail delivered, everybody shuts down. Federal holiday. Why is it there? To honor a philosopher, Jesus. Whose philosophy was part of the foundation of our country. All of this is indisputable. Can't dispute it. OK? A man was born, his name is Jesus, he had a philosophy, the philosophy was incorporated by the Founding Fathers to make up the United States of America, U.S. Grant signs into law the holiday, Christmas. Now, we have people who are offended by that. Well, tough, right? Tough. Some people are offended by fingernails; I'm not pulling mine out. So I'm feeling -- I'm offended by everything you do, we're not firing you. OK? Offended? Too bad. But then --

CAVUTO: But the point is with companies -- they may have a lot to be grateful for.

O'REILLY: You have to let me warm up.

CAVUTO: 'Cause you seem to be going off track.

O'REILLY: Well, I'm not. Then the business community says we don't want to offend anybody, so we're not going to say "Merry Christmas." We're going to say "Happy Holidays, all right? That offends millions of Christians, see? Eighty-five percent of the country calls itself Christian. Fifteen percent of the country -- you figure these people could do the math if they're CEOs. Eighty-five percent Christian; they are into Christmas, OK? That's their big day. Fifteen percent aren't. Now of those 15 percent, maybe 1 percent are totally insane. They're nuts. They're the ones who are offended. So what it comes down to is that these CEOs and big companies -- big companies, like Wal-Mart, Sears, KMart -- will not say "Merry Christmas" in their stores or advertising to cater to 1 percent of Americans who are insane.

CAVUTO: Is it more for Wal-Mart? Because they're everywhere; they're in China, they're in Hong Kong -- maybe they're wondering, well, you know, the percentages even change when you go global --

O'REILLY: They don't have to say "Merry Christmas" in China, OK? They can say whatever they say in China, "Happy Winter." All right? "We like pandas." Say whatever you want. This is America. This is the big commercial holiday. You're not going to acknowledge the holiday? Then I'm not shopping there. And that's what the bottom line is here. The backlash is building, building, building, and these retailers are going to find out as Federated [Department Stores Inc.] found out last year -- that's Macy's, Bloomingdale's, Burdines. They didn't say it last year. This year Federated is saying it, so they took a hit.

CAVUTO: So, do you think -- right -- do you think there's a connection between Wal-Mart saying, you know, maybe our sales might not be up to snuff and this position they're taking on Christmas?

O'REILLY: Look, I like the Wal-Mart guys. I'm not a Wal-Mart basher. I think that they serve a tremendous service to this country by giving people with not a lot of money an opportunity to buy stuff. If their CEO was standing right here, I'd say, "You're insane." You're losing good will, OK? There's no reason to do this, because all they have to do, Neil, is say "Merry Christmas," "Happy Holidays," "Happy Hanukkah," "Happy Kwanzaa." Their store is big enough to have those banners all over the place. You telling me it's not big enough? You can have it all. Christians aren't going to be mad if you say "Happy Hanukkah" or "Happy Kwanzaa," as long as you acknowledge what it's all about, the federal holiday of Christmas. If you don't, then Christians start to say, "You don't like us. You're anti-Christian, you have an anti-Christian bias."

CAVUTO: You don't buy the take that they're trying to be inclusive or the companies that have that position are?

O'REILLY: This is insulting to Christian America. It's insulting. This is driven by secular progressives --

CAVUTO: The Jews and Muslims say it's insulting to keep the Christmas.

O'REILLY: I say that Muslims are less than 1 percent of the population, and Jews are less than 3 percent of the population. They're entitled to their opinion, they're entitled to their opinion and they are entitled not to shop in places that say "Merry Christmas," just as I'm entitled not to shop in places that don't. That's what I say. But the bottom line on this is this: Secular progressives which are driving this movement, OK, don't want Christmas. They don't want it as a federal holiday, they don't want any message of spirituality or Judeo-Christian tradition because that stands in the way of gay marriage, legalized drugs, euthanasia, all of the greatest hits on the secular progressive play card. If they can succeed in getting religion out of the public arena --

CAVUTO: Who's "they?"

O'REILLY: George Soros. He's the moneyman behind it. It's a philosophy. Go on the websites and look at it. It's there. It's a secular, progressive --

CAVUTO: It has come to this --

O'REILLY: They're afraid. They've been intimidated, but I say, fight back.

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    • Author by atheist (December 01, 2005 6:25 pm ET)
         

      another FAUX news circle jerk.

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    • Author by deeznuts (December 01, 2005 6:26 pm ET)
         

      All of this is indisputable. Can't dispute it.

      ...aaaaaaand THAT's where my interest ends.

      O'Reilly makes me laugh so hard I cry sometimes.

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      • Author by fatbob (December 01, 2005 6:34 pm ET)
           

        On another site they had a different part of this interview (I didn't see it, I get all my information from left-wing smear sites) the part where he claims credit for getting big oil to back down. [link to thinkprogress.org]

        The whole thing is pretty funny, but what's interesting is how he says his dad used to work for one of the big oil companies which kind of undercuts his whole working-class, born on the mean streets of the Hamptons bit.

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        • Author by rpppolyp (December 02, 2005 3:55 pm ET)
             

          I heard even Cavuto's jaw dropped on that one. Someone has got start calling him out. Katie Couric should have nailed him on a few things but then he'd probably beat her up.

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    • Author by Brabantio (December 01, 2005 6:52 pm ET)
         

      "Why is it there? To honor a philosopher, Jesus. Whose philosophy was part of the foundation of our country."

      People don't come much more anti-organized-religion or atheistic than myself. I personally believe Jesus was a philosopher. That's the secular viewpoint. The Christian viewpoint is that he was the son of God, sent to spread the gospel and die for our sins. I do not ever remember hearing anyone in my church referring to him as a philosopher. Why? Philosophy implies thought and reasoning as a means of achieving wisdom. It relates to things that are arguable and theoretical. If Jesus was the son of God, then surely he spoke God's word without having to think or reason through anything. To suggest otherwise means that Jesus could have said something that was not consistent with God, and the entire concept of Christianity comes to a crashing halt.

      If O'Reilly really believes that 85% of this country is Christian, he should have no hesitation in espousing the Christian point of view. Why hedge his point of view with the secular "philosopher" label? By the way, was his philosophy really part of the foundation of this country? Is the "John Hancock" signature really just a scribbled "Jesus H. christ"?

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      • Author by steeve (December 02, 2005 12:01 am ET)
           

        I sent Bill this email. I wish I watched his show more to know what kind of emails make it on.

        Mr. O'reilly,

        Your refusal to acknowledge the Christian core belief that Jesus was the son of God is clearly an effort to cater to the insane 1% who would be offended by such a statement. Instead of appeasing an insane minority, you should be thankful for the beliefs of Christianity, because people who hold those beliefs form your core audience.

        While you have the right to your opinion that Jesus was just a philosopher, we the majority of a country founded on Christian beliefs have the right to boycott a show whose host shows such disdain for our views. Clearly your show is funded by George Soros and is attempting to further the secular agenda.

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      • Author by plato (December 02, 2005 12:09 am ET)
           

        Well said!

        Plato

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      • Author by durt1@hotmail.com (December 02, 2005 2:36 pm ET)
           

        Good catch. This exposes the flaw in his argument. If religion really should be in the public sphere, why use weasel words when talking about Jesus, the Son of God? This man is just a blowhard who lives off false controversy. He really has a talent for it, though.

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    • Author by pete592 (December 01, 2005 6:57 pm ET)
         

      What is it with all these Fox News people interviewing EACH OTHER??? Is this the last resort in driving home the Fox News agenda? Fox viewers already get enough of this wacko on his own show and Cavuto feels the need to let him endlessly rant all this garbage on his show too? Is this NEWS?

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      • Author by west1 (December 01, 2005 8:07 pm ET)
           

        In this case, Cavuto's show seems to be serving as an echo chamber on the issue. The problem is, it appears O'Reilly is one of the few people making a fuss over this in public.

        What is Fox's motivation for pushing this issue? To distract the public from other news?

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      • Author by andrew1207 (December 01, 2005 8:13 pm ET)
           

        I found Cavuto's first line in that quote interesting compared to everything he said. I wonder if O'Reilly wrote it for him?

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        • Author by west1 (December 01, 2005 10:12 pm ET)
             

          If Cavuto wrote it, I'd be surprised. My guess is that it was scripted and Cavuto gets paid to sit there, ask a few questions, and in, general, offer a forum for these types of guests.

          Here is Cavuto's opening line on his Nov 1 show with Charles Payne, CEO of Wall Street Strategies.

          "Will we soon be replacing pictures of President Bush with Karl Marx?"

          [link to mediamatters.org]

          Or remember the Fox & Friends episode that the opening statement was so outrageous that Steve Doocy gave credit to the note card for the opening question, "The Democrats' assault on Bush: Is that bad for America and the markets?"

          [link to mediamatters.org]

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    • Author by nitpicker (December 01, 2005 7:59 pm ET)
         

      Sometimes I swear he's two seconds from suggesting we build a ghetto to put the stores for the Jews in.

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    • Author by operaman (December 01, 2005 8:05 pm ET)
         

      It strikes me that this whole issue is really less about Christmas and more about right-wing entitlement. O'Reilly, Gibson, and the rest of these blowhards have decided that because America is "overwhelmingly" Christian, and because George W. Bush won the election in 2004, the rest of the country owes them something in return.

      Of course, conservatives are always complaining about the "entitlement mentality" and about granting someone special treatment for racial or ethnic reasons.

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    • Author by LarryE (December 01, 2005 9:05 pm ET)
         

      Okay, it's now clear: Bill O'Reilly is a narrow-minded bigot.

      How can I say that? This is how:

      When Cavuto countered that some businesses were trying to be more inclusive, O'Reilly rebuked, "This is insulting to Christian America."

      Being "insulted" by inclusiveness would seem to me a serviceable definition of narrow-minded bigotry.

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      • Author by dem in texas (December 02, 2005 10:25 am ET)
           

        LarryE said

        ******************************

        Okay, it's now clear: Bill O'Reilly is a narrow-minded bigot.

        How can I say that? This is how:

        When Cavuto countered that some businesses were trying to be more inclusive, O'Reilly rebuked, "This is insulting to Christian America."

        Being "insulted" by inclusiveness would seem to me a serviceable definition of narrow-minded bigotry.

        *********************

        It is this kind of attitude that is displayed by people like Bully O'Reilly that makes me say that I am offended by people that do not want to be inclusive.

        My Christian faith is not exclusive of others.

        Jesus was not an excluder.

        And for Bully to say that inclusiveness is offensive to Christian America shows just how off-kilter some of Christian America is.

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    • Author by hrhs1975 (December 01, 2005 9:45 pm ET)
         

      And just like Bush (despite his pre-election promise to the contrary), O'Reilly seems to working hard at dividing this country.

      I don't think that Jesus would want any part of Bill's 'campaign'. FYI: He told me that he stopped watching Fox ages ago. ;)

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    • Author by themann1086 (December 01, 2005 10:51 pm ET)
         

      O'Reilly got his facts wrong too [shocking, I know]. The largest religious survey in the U.S. in 2001 found that Christians represented 76.5% of the U.S., and this marked an 11 year decline of 10 percentage points. He is correct about Judaism [1.3%] and Islam [0.5%], but what he fails to mention is 13.2% are nonreligious/secular, and an additional 0.9% are atheists are agnostics. [link]

      Why is O'Reilly lying to America?

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      • Author by kwinters79 (December 02, 2005 12:47 pm ET)
           

        I was going to make the same point by providing this link:

        [link to www.adherents.com]

        O'Reilly is also deceiving his audience by ignoring the fact that many people classified as "Christian" don't even celebrate Christmas!!! They consider it a pagan/commercialized holiday (correctly) and do not participate.

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    • Author by circlethewagons (December 02, 2005 1:04 am ET)
         

      I'm enjoying watching O'Reilly become more and more "unhinged"...hopefully someday I'll get to see him curled up in a ball in on the set of Oprah, rocking back and forth while muttering "We like pandas" over and over again.

      Someday.

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    • Author by Intergalatic Purveyor (December 02, 2005 2:04 am ET)
         

      I hope someone is getting videotape together of Bill "falafel man" O'Reilly and all his rants in the last couple of months. It would make a wonderful film and a case study of a person having a breakdown as they become more and more disconnected with reality.

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    • Author by steve expat (December 02, 2005 4:21 am ET)
         

      Soon he will be talking about the Freemasons, Illuminati and the Pope being in on this conspiracy. He is off his rocker. Keep him on the air!

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      • Author by deeanna (December 02, 2005 4:49 am ET)
           

        Speaking of the Pope.Isn't he .....German? Wasn't there another creat Christian German? Who am I thinking of? Oh, it's somewhere in the back of my mind.Hmmmm........LOL (JK)

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    • Author by temphandle followed82entree (December 02, 2005 8:19 am ET)
         

      I'm sick of hearing all this phony, holier-than-thou preaching coming from a man accused of sexual harassment by a female co-worker. And while I'm at it, Bill, I'm gay and I wanna marry my partner. You don't want to grant me that right because doing so would threaten the institution of marriage. Well, if you're so much in favor of supporting marriage, why did you, a married man, make unsavory passes at a co-worker? I can't stand the hypocrisy.

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    • Author by daggotht (December 02, 2005 8:40 am ET)
         

      he makes Cavuto looks sane

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    • Author by jeremy (December 02, 2005 12:51 pm ET)
         

      Neil Cavuto is a moron and Bill O'Reilly is completely insane. I'll never understand how a guy like Cavuto can go around masquarading as some kind of business know-it-all when he can actually interview a guy like O'Reilly and humor him. Does he really think there is a backlash against companies that don't advertise "Merry Christmas?" On the brightside, I kind of got the impression that Cavuto realized O'Reilly was coming off like a quack!

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      • Author by Lynn (December 02, 2005 1:37 pm ET)
           

        The Fox interns are probably all laughing behind the on-air talent backs. O'rielly is clearly nuts and the others aren't too far behind him.

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    • Author by rpppolyp (December 02, 2005 4:12 pm ET)
         

      Randi is having a great time ripping on him today.

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    • Author by squanderer (December 03, 2005 4:43 pm ET)
         

      Am I crazy, or is it not perfectly acceptable and in fact common even for Christians to use the phrase "Happy Holidays" as short-hand for "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year"?? The plural doesn't necessarily have anything to do with holidays of other religious groups!

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      • Author by Brabantio (December 03, 2005 5:31 pm ET)
           

        "Am I crazy, or is it not perfectly acceptable and in fact common even for Christians to use the phrase "Happy Holidays" as short-hand for "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year"?? The plural doesn't necessarily have anything to do with holidays of other religious groups!"

        You're not crazy. It can mean whatever the recepient of the greeting wants it to mean, which is exactly why stores like to use it.

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